Nanoha and Vivid Strike thread

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Is that ReinForce? (original)

>>2164071
How does ferret and doggu fly?

>>2164250
How do those little girls fly?

>>2164250
They could do it in S1/S2. Yuuno probably wasn't shown flying in the critter form though.

>>2164250
>>2164272
They aren't. They are actually standing in front of a green screen, the stuff they use to make CG in movies.

Arf and Yuuno are standing on a green box.

>>2164287
The actress playing Hayate is cute.

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>>2164287
Don't say that!

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Random jobber girl A is pretty cute. Smug Harunyan is still the best, though.

>>2165265
Loving the legservice this season

>>2165265
Is that stitch from ep3?

>>2165561
Yes.

subs of ep 3 of vivid strike are out:

https://www.nyaa.se/?page=download&tid=860123

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>>2165686
Also don't miss the doujin in the description:

>NanoFate Extra #03 - 「The One About Fate's Tits」

>Ichaicha_wa_Ouchi_ni_Kaettekara!!_(Nanoha_doujin)_[ron].rar
http://www.mediafire.com/?uw9r34g7e9na71u

>It's another funny/lewd, non-H doujin by Nagomi Kissa and Hirayama. Not to be confused with its very similarly named sequel (http://www.mediafire.com/?smdc84wjaz926jd) which I scanlated last year. Huge thanks to my anonymous doujin raw provider for both.

>>2165692
>which I scanlated last year
Can you maybe translate last part of Al-Hazard doujin series?
Seems NanoFate dropped it and I just want to read how that ended.

>>2165692
Oh ho, thanks a lot.

So, it seems Rinne used to be bullied very hard (more than I thought), so now she became a total bitch.

>>2165692
Folks go gaga over loliFate, but I don't think people appreciate just how great of a body adult Fate has.

Great ass, great legs, great tummy, great tits, great heart; Nanoha is a lucky girl.

>>2165828
Nanoha herself isn't too shabby in that department, either, Onee-sama. Fate's pretty lucky, too.

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>>2165828
All Fates are great but loli Fate is still the best

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>>2165692
Whew. Is there a first part too? given that the two released are numbered !! and !!!

http://aritedrop.blogspot.fi/2016/10/nanoha-innocents-chapter-9.html#more

Innocents Chapter Nine out

>>2166061
The mothers educating their children the way of gay again.

>>2165779
Rather than a total bitch, I think her communication skill is just poor. She used to hide behind Fuuka all the time when they were kids so when she got into this rich school, she doesn't know how to interact with all these arrogant ojou-sama nor how to stand up for herself. Then something or other happened and she got this belief that you will only be respected and loved if you're stronger than everyone else.
It doesn't seem like Rinne meant to crush no.8-chan's heart, it's just her clumsy way of returning the greeting. The same goes for that interview back in episode 2, she didn't mean to trashtalk her opponent, she just said what she honestly thinks.

>>2166175
That does not explain how she suddenly became such a bitch to her best friend.

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>>2166175
>her communication skill is just poor
I hope that is not the only explanation. If there isn't some actual drama and it turns out everybody was a good person all along and it just looked bad, it will be quite disappointing.

>>2166291
>If there isn't some actual drama
What was the first name of this series? Was it Vivid? I'm pretty sure it was Vivid.

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What do /u/ think about Rinne?

>>2166312
Don't rag on Vivid so much.
1) Vivid was able to get some plot out of the character situations/past and it did reasonably.
2) Vivid Strike actually goes for the drama/conflict, as you can see from Rinne's cahracter. So if it ends up backing out of that later in the style of Dog Days S1, it will be a real failure, not just failure perceived by anons due to misconceptions about the genre.

>>2166291
>>2166312
>Because nanoha was always well known for its irredeemable bad guys, like Fate or Hayate
The drama always came because there was a stubborn good girl doing the wrong thing that needed to be befriended
Besides, her issues run a bit deeper. Trying to choke your sister is not something that can be passed as a misunderstanding

>>2166336
I didn't say irredeemable anon.
The point is that she will obviously be redeemed, but there needs to be some obstacle to overcome. Like Hayate's problem, Fate's problem.

Does Rinne have a problem? If she does, great. If she is just misunderstood and there actually is no issue once we will know her enough, then fuck that shit.

>>2166369
Yes, she was bullied all her life and raised to be an elitist

>>2166386
Spoiled character that will be straightened by beating her up sounds like one of the dumbest plot premises though. Not to mention that such personality "healings" aren't very believable.

I still hope that there will be some evil plot/influence/scheme or secret that will serve as the quest for Fuuka.

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>Vivid Strike is basically "Vivid: We have a plot now"
>the plot is boilerplate sports series but with superpowers after an opening that involved magical brawling with hashiriya on a fucking planet that isn't Earth where magic is widespread and worked or not worked into everyday things semi-arbitrarily
>old cast is MIA which is understandable presumably because of all the legal and contract shit
>Vivio and Einhart are back but barely acknowledge each other's existence
>handful of other series this season are doing classic Nanoha-style air fighting and their female leads will actually talk to each other, even ignoring that their subtext isn't so paltry
>pretty much every artist of note would rather draw KanColle or some other big flavor of the season

It's not fair.

>>2166460
Face it, anon. Nanoha reached its peak with A's and it been nothing but downhill with bad story direction from there.

>>2166328
>overly contrived sob story ad nauseum
I'll rag on Vivid as much as I want, because it is absolutely dire.
>>2166336
>drama
Oh fuck off. The characters in Vivid doesn't even act like real people. The drama in Vivid exists purely for the sake of being in it, it doesn't come off as neither natural nor believeable.

At the end, when Fuuka/Einhart asspulls a victory like how it usually ends in Vivid, Rinne will break down in tears and go "I just wanted to be strong!" or some dumb anime shit. Then they'll drink tea and everything will be fine. Like always.

>>2166499

As someone who recently marathoned everything from StrikerS onward (finally got subbed in 1080p), holy shit, yes.

What the fuck happened to the series where they hopped planets constantly, fucked shit up, and didn't arbitrarily limit their power?

>>2166610
by the end of StrikerS, nobody was limiting anything, Onee-sama

>>2166616

True, but introducing that concept out of nowhere just felt like poor writing/planning/story development.

StrikerS was still pretty good overall, imo... I like series with that kind of political shit. Vivid is where it started feeling like cash-grab territory.

>>2166610
>What the fuck happened to the series
That seems to be the most frequent asked question these past 6 or so years.

I forgot everything about StrikerS, now I wonder how we went from RIOT6 and adult themes to whatever it is we got now.

>>2166630
I thought the idea of a bunch of bureaucrats purposefully crippling their own troops as part of some arcane power game was by far the most truthful element in the whole series.

>>2166610
>watching Vivid
That's you first mistake. If you're going to marathon then mind as well marathon the manga.

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>>2166668
The path Nanoha went is really kind of weird. Especially if you compare it to pretty much anything else that ran multiple seasons.

The series started out 100% typical magical girl with some bits of inspiration from mecha/sci-fi, and then the TSAB and Fate showed up and small political and darker elements were added, and those plus the sci-fi bits became more prevalent as the franchise went through season 1, A's, and then StrikerS.

Then it either goes too deep with Force (plus why the dude?) or reverts back almost completely with ViVid while making it shounen-esque.

And then Force dies as a manga and ViVid keeps going and gets at least two seasons. To top it off at one point they redid the first two seasons as movies as if to remind us of how great it used to be, but then don't make any more content the same flavor as them or do anything related to StrikerS.

Its so strangely fucked up and convoluted. They really need to just make that 3rd movie or something. If they can make two seasons of ViVid then they can make one season of what we actually want, you would think. Hell, even animating the PSP fighting games would probably be more welcome.

What if Reflection is yet another shounen fight tournament?

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I'm glad that I'm one of the few who can enjoy the fuck out of every entry (aside from Force) that sprouted off from this franchise no matter how glaringly different they are. It's kind of hard to have some decent discussion when everyone else is so butthurt, though.

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Same, I even read the Innocent(S) despite kind of hating this >>148642895

I'm fine enough with Force to have read it. I would like it to get concluded so that the story can go on or at least not be stuck in limbo.

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>kickboxing in heels
This seems like a really bad idea.

>>2166317
Her foot is backwards.

>>2166726
eh, >>>/a/148642895 I mean
Innocent is in short too much of Material Sue fanfiction.

>>2166706
The issue seems to come down to the creator not really getting what made the originals good or at least missing the point continuously.

He's not a great writer by any means, but the concept behind the first two seasons was enough to make something good. They were a somewhat simple magical girl story aimed at otaku.
StrikerS was an attempt on a more original shounen-ish story and ended up being okay mostly on the basis of what it was built on while getting rid of many elements that originally made Nanoha popular.
Force was the continuation of those ideas, going more dark shounen and further from the original concept possibly in hopes of drawing in different (younger?) audience. The problem was that the creator couldn't write for shit and thus ended up with a below-mediocre meh shounen series.
ViVid has been sort lateral approach to Force, taking the lighter parts of the franchise and mixing those with kind of moe-shounen-ish approach. Then what seemed like the concept for a silly spin-off you run for a couple of volumes was stretched and milked for all its worth and more.

>>2166668
Force probably scared people away from darker Nanoha.

>>2166715
I'm truly sorry that you frequent one of the most argument-inclined and volatile image boards there exist.
Maybe AnimeSuki or Reddit would be more to your taste, faggot?

>>2166821
Quit shitposting, this board is nothing compared to /v/ or /a/ or some of the other quicker boards. It's just slower, so the arguments stay around longer so idorts have time to read them and start them up again.

I'm not that anon, btw, I'm somebody else.

>>2164071
>[ron] Nanoha Picture Drama 01 - Mahou Shoujo Lyrical IF [75FF4554].mkv
>http://www.mediafire.com/?epefymhdit084gz

Oh wow, a new drama cd thing?
I guess I should start translating again.

>>2166823
You are using idort incorrectly.

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Does Nove finally get a wife?

>>2167846
Hope not. Nove deserves better.

>>2167846
They introduced her as her "rival", so there is a good chance they're going to marry and adopt Fuuka.

>>2167848
Yeah, she needs to find her P2 Teana.

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>>2167846
Nove seems to be quite in demand. Micaiah is interested in her it seems, she has her non-blood-related-sister and/or childhood friend #11, and now this.

How does this new anime compare to Vivid if I thought Vivid was a horribly paced low budget mess?

Is it a direct sequel or stand-alone?

>>2168164
It is technically a sequel, nestled in between Vivid and Force in terms of timeline.

Or maybe it will end up being the Vivio side of Force which is why Mamas are probably off doing military things.

>>2168165
>implying Force is still part of the timeline

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>>2168172
They're still making Force merchandise.

>>2168174
That's from the Force Dimension designs, one of the few good things to come from Force. Also wasn't that figure announced a very long time ago? I wouldn't be surprised if this was in planning before the cancelation of the manga.

>>2168164
Kind of a sequel, set around 1 year (or more like 8 months) after Vivid. It focuses on 2 new characters but also spoiled a bunch of things about the events and characters from Vivid.

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>>2166499
I know, but it pains me that despite being in an industry that's so blatant on being derivative, it can't even copy good things and just crashes and burns vaingloriously.

Strike Witches may have come out a bit late for StrikerS and future Nanoha series to take notes on but shit, you got that, you got Symphogear or Yuuki Yuuna that do the same military magical girl thing with considerably less issues. And hell, the girls will do stuff with each other, be emotionally intimate and all that.

Meanwhile Nanoha's all, "h-hey guys, remember how Nanoha and Fate adopted a daughter all those years ago? And look, now Vivio's got herself a girlfriend. And here's 90 other fucking characters because fuck you."

The movies are tight as hell. Pare the plot down to feature length and it's still pretty functional. How the fuck did they not learn from that at least?

How the fuck did they decide, "You know what'll be our big comeback? Doing a sequel to our ongoing series!" instead of just scuttling the should've-been-smothered-in-the-crib Force, and go back to basics with a sci-fi themed magical girl plot. You could've even used all the same characters you're using in what we got now.

>>2168222
Nanoha has just become an outlet for Tsuzuki's ryona fetish.

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>>2168174
Goddamit that actually looks good
Why do I even bother to check, being a poorfag sucks

New chapter of Vivid out:
https://vividtranslations.com/2016/10/18/vivid-65-costumes-in-time-for-the-hallowed-eve/

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>>2168249
This casual and possessive arm holding is really cute.
How can some people say that Fate gives more the image of being Nanoha's wife than her husband?

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>>2168225
Yeah, but regardless, it's a hell of a thing where you've got a season with this much going on, and /u/-wise the Nanoha series is on the anemic end of it.

>Alright, we got the WW2 witch shows, swimsuit magical girl and tennis short anime, and Cunt Flappers, gonna load up on screencaps and just let loose on /u/
>and ron put out these subs, shouldn't let his hard work go to waste, I guess

>>2168255
Everybody knows that Nanoha is the wife taking care of the kids while Fate is her cute __wife_ working abroad

>>2168261
Also ping pong.

>>2168222
>And look, now Vivio's got herself a girlfriend.
Nice joke.

>And here's 90 other fucking characters because fuck you.
List of new characters that have some relevant and/or screentime in ViVid: Einhart, Rio, Corona, Sante, Victoria, Harry, Els, Miura, Seiglinde, Yumina, Michaiah, Fabia. So 12 of them in total.
Including Vivio and Novel, there are currently 7 main regular characters. The 5 or so people in spaceChina arc are most likely one time side characters only.
For what essentially a light hearted SoL sport spin-off with a dash of drama that have been running for 17 volumes, having a cast 7 regulars and 10-ish something recurring characters seem kind of reasonable. It's not Vivid's fault that Force sucks so much it scared away both the fans and the staffs.
It looks like they still don't know what to do with Force so now, they are playing it safe by making stuffs set before it (Strike + 3rd movie).

>>2166706
>They really need to just make that 3rd movie
But it's coming summer 2017.

Nanoha might just be saved.

>>2168287
Nanoha, Fate, Hayate, and Arf join a martial arts tournament on Earth.

>>2168261
also gay robots

>>2168255
>This is my Feito. She is of one of many clones but this one is mine. My Feito is my best friend. She is my wife. I must master her as I must master my life. Without me, my Feito is useless. Without my Feito I am useless. I must befriend my Feito true.

>>2168284
Not that anon, but...
>What is exaggeration for effect
might wanna curb your white knighting the current series and actually try to comprehend what other anons are trying to say...

>>2168299
FMJ/10
GJ, Onee-sama

>>2168305
The thing is, people keeps complaining about Vivid has too many new characters and too little Nanoha and Fate even though since the beginning, it's been clear that it's a light hearted SoL that focuses on Vivio and friends so the amount of new characters and screentime Nanoha and Fate got are just right. The fans were supposed to get their dose of evil seriousness and NanoFate+other old characters from Force, not Vivid but well, you know what happened to Force.

>>2168319
here... lemme 'splain it to you:

Anon
Was
Exaggerating.

He didn't count out how many characters, b/c he's most likely not an autistic faggot and wasn't trying to be accruate in the first place.
He was trying to make a point. One that was pretty clear to MOST of us.

>>2168321
Yes, the point is "VIVID HAS TOO MANY NEW CHARACTERS THAT NO ONE CARES ABOUT, GIVE US OUR NANOHA AND FATE" which has been repeated many times in many threads. I'm trying to say that that kind of complain is totally unfair.

>>2168344
How is it unfair? The characters in Vivid are dull and there are no redeeming qualities about them whatsoever. They're literally reimaginings of characters we already had, except shittier and with less substance.

>>2168355
>How is it unfair?
Again, it is clear since the beginning that Vivid is about Vivio and her friends so complaining about it having new characters and next to none Nanoha and Fate is just stupid and unreasonable. How good or bad the characters are is depended on one's subjective opinion so I won't touch on it.

>>2168369
The reason people want Nanoha and Fate is because the Vivids are a dire and insufferable bunch of jobbers with no substance.

Half of the problem of Vivid could be fixed by making the characters interesting and their backstory actually make coherent sense in the grand scheme and not just a half assed reason as to why the girls should have super powers.

The other half could be fixed by not having the setting be a shitty SoL tournament.

So it's not unfair that people are longing for something that's far better.

>>2168369
There's nothing unreasonable about complaining about a decision as monumentally idiotic as benching the two characters people actually care about.

>>2168449
>>2168443
Like I said before, Vivid and Force were originally published at the same time as two different flavours of the same franchise. Since the beginning, Vivid was set up as a light hearted SoL to contrast with the seriousness that is Force so there is no need for its characters to be complicated or for it to have an overreaching plot line, that is Force's role, not Vivid. I don't remember people having much problem with Vivid for being what it is when Force was still running. It is only after Force was put on hiatus that people started complaining more and more about Vivid for being a SoL instead of being a super serious 'Nanoha' story. The main complains are always "it's boring", "where is the plot?", "where are my deep characters?", "where is my NanoFate?", "where are my bad guys?", "I want fights with actual stake", etc. All of which are easily found in Force. Force was supposed to fill in for the things that Vivid lacks but as you all know, Force turned out to be a failure and was cut short. It's like the bitterness born from Force's failure got unreasonably poured over Vivid seeing how people keeps wishing for Vivid to be something it was not set up to be and will never be.
I'm done here now. I won't say anything anymore.

>>2168472

That's a lot of words to say that the Nanoha production staff are clueless morons and that they deserve all the criticism they get

>>2168284
My view too.

>>2168472
No, because prior to Vivid, Slice Of Life wasn't much of a thing. Sure you get some slight glimpse of the characters personal lives but once the plot kicks in most of it is sideline. A's is a rather good example of that. In that, aside from knowing the Cloud Kinght's, their motivations and the nasty confrontation set with them and the rest of the cast on Chrismas Eve... There isn't a whole lot to be grained at looking at them go about their daily lives. So we really don't have that by much, usually it shifts to what the cast is doing, which is half mending, half prep for the next battle, more consulting on the case and it's particulars.

You argue that Vivid was never really built to handle a plot, detailed characters, a good villain, etc.
I would argue that the franchise isn't really build for Vivid's laid back approach to everything that it has already established.
Vivid isn't an action piece, and it shows. One of the defining things with Nanoha as a franchise has been the action, the set pieces for more explosions and so on. And the tournament in Vivid woefully lacks tension to keep that up.

It's telling that Strike has manage to a least set that up without changing much of what Vivid is. Meanwhile... the manga...

>>2168472
As annoying as forcefags are they are not to blame for vivids faults, nor is force for being the less shiny of two turds. Vivid was a disappointment for a lot of people, even those who enjoy it, and the lack of translations doesn't help.
The real problem are the shitposters who got tired of spamming ferrets and are now pretending to be force apologists

>>2168505
>And the tournament in Vivid woefully lacks tension to keep that up.
I always felt some tension reading the tournament matches wondering who would win and who would loose. You could never be sure who would win until they were ko'd or knocked out of the ring (which could occur suddenly and without warning). I was pretty shocked when Vivio was eliminated.

>>2168571
Not really, it was so by the book... you can tell before the last page. Vivio getting eliminated didn't really do much, through it was somewhat surprising. Even then the signs of it going like that were there given that Vivio and Co didn't have much to lose if at all..

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The handsomest.

>>2168533
>shitposters who got tired of spamming ferrets and are now pretending to be force apologists

That is your idea and MAYBE there are people like that, but probably it's just bullshit, trying to discount opinions differing from yours. I can tell you that it definitely isn't true for me.

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That's my hegemon! Serious business suits you, young Ingvalt!

>>2168505
Imagine an alternate universe were we only would have a (good) FORCE manga. I would bet my entire yuri collection that people would demand more Nanoha SOL. Hell, they did demand it even back in StrikerS.

So the staff delivered. Vivio is the SOL without much 'real' action and Force is the more serious one.

>>2168662
That would have been great if Force was good enough to hold down the action side of the franchise, but in practice all we have is Vivid.

>>2168662
The problem for me isn't the SOL, it's that it's about characters I don't care about. If it was just about Vivio and her family, or Hayate and her knights then I'd be fine with it.

Also the action was very disappointing for me. Going from Nanoha and Fate fighting side-by-side to save the world to lolis fighting in some tournament about a made-up sport was terrible.

>>2168662
The thing is, people did want some Nanoha SOL, which is where we get back to what anons have said earlier: Vivid is not Nanoha. If Vivid was just SOL with Nanoha, Fate and the rest of the earlier series' main cast people might like it more since we're already invested in them, but that's not what Vivid is. Vivid isn't really Nanoha SOL, it's Vivid SOL with Vivio and friends.

>>2168724
I wonder how much of that is about problems with the VAs.

I know I wouldn't mind getting new VAs for Nanoha and Fate if that's what it takes to see more of them, but I'm sure for some people that's heretical.

>>2168662
Which doesn't really address anything, because. Neither media is good.

>>2168722
Slice of Life was at least part of the problem, but then I am not a fan of the genre in and of itself so even I dismiss that bias.

The worse crime that Vivid made as entertainment is the simple fact that nothing that it does really has any point aside from being a platform were loli's mug at the camera for any moment... is utterly inexcusable to me.
The franchise is much better than that.

>>2168738
>I wonder how much of that is about problems with the VAs.
Probably very little, given how they managed to make the films with no problems.

>>2168648
I read this entire thing in the voice of the narrator from G Gundam

>>2168662
>Imagine an alternate universe were we only would have a (good) FORCE manga. I would bet my entire yuri collection that people would demand more Nanoha SOL.

This does ring true.

Symphogear fans were/are pretty vocal about wanting some form of SoL with the characters, despite the fact that that would be almost the opposite of Symphogear's intense focus on action, music, insane/ridiculous cliffhangers, and escalating threats to the entire planet. The gag OVAs work but I think if they did an entire season of SoL or did something like "Well now that there are no more Noise, you get to be a firefighter for 12 episodes!" it would just dumpster the entire series, especially if it was the only thing being made for the foreseeable future.

In a perfect world there would be a season of 'real' Nanoha/Symphogear being made at the same time as a SoL thing, so even if you don't like one you have the other, but we don't live in a perfect world. Only thing I can think of that does that is Yuuki Yuuna, if you count LNs and VNs.

>>2168648
That game was way more intense than anything in the tournament

>>2168883
It is the same with Madoka. Just look at all those SOL doujin that are very popular. Seeing girls suffering or being in intense situations wants us to see them in more relaxed situations.
It also works the other way around. People enjoying a more harmless thing like Neptunia and write a very dark FanFic.
The contrasts make it work (for some).

>>2168883
>Symphogear fans were/are pretty vocal about wanting some form of SoL with the characters, despite the fact that that would be almost the opposite of Symphogear's intense focus on action, music, insane/ridiculous cliffhangers, and escalating threats to the entire planet

The first season managed it fine.

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>>2168648
Beating up girls is serious business, especially when you're doing so for other cute girls' smile.

>>2168892
It barely had any actual SoL though. Parts where nothing important happens usually served a purpose, like developing a character/relationship or showing that Hibiki's "Job" is taking a toll on her by having her miserably attempting to complete her homework and such. That one daito part was like five minutes and was in between Genjuro's attempts to recruit Chris from her hobo shit and Tsubasa's concert, and during the music for that was plenty of fighting.

The date also served an important purpose anyway, to show Tsubasa there was more to life than just fighting, which immediately led to the concert.

A lot of people also want a movie remake of the first season like Nanoha had, but in reality unfortunately it probably wouldn't work quite as well due to all those little scenes being at least a tiny bit significant, even before you make space to go all out on the action scenes.

>>2168916
It's allowed to serve a purpose. In fact, it needs to, since the point is to have character interaction and development outside of action and fight scenes, which just aren't appropriate for many type of development; Chris's awful arc springs to mind, for instance, as because every episode had to be plotted around a battle, we never got to actually see her develop her bond with DMJii like we got to see Tsubasa lightening up to Hibiki or Miku's worrying for her.

>>2168916
>it probably wouldn't work quite as well due to all those little scenes being at least a tiny bit significant, even before you make space to go all out on the action scenes.
You mean the same reason why some people say the 1st movie doesn't work?

Is it possible to fix Force? Like making the main character be Nanoha and other stuff?

>>2168954
To fix Force, you'd really have to completely change everything about it.

>>2168958
>To fix Force, you'd really have to completely change everything about it.
>change everything
But that's wrong, you don't need to change Fate's ponytail. Also the upgraded devices were good.

>>2168954
The issue with Force is that it's not just a not very good Nanoha story, it's just not a good story in general. Somebody competent could probably salvage it for something good, but that wouldn't be about fixing Force as much as building something atop its smoldering ruins.

>>2168939
Of course it is allowed to serve a purpose, its just that if a scene is two characters briefly interacting and talking about important relationship and plot developments or what the big bad might do next then having that scene take place in a normal everyday setting doesn't really make it slice of life, if you ask me. It's not a scene depicting everyday school life if in the middle of a school festival two wanted terrorists hop up on stage and start singing and the character agonize about how they can't fight them near innocent people, or if the main character can't do their homework because they are tired from fighting aliens yesterday at their secret government funded magical girl job.

Maybe it is just hard to draw a line between what is or is not SoL. Like I wouldn't consider Madoka and Homura talking in a coffee shop about Sayaka's fate to be slice of life, but I find it hard to label the sleepover stuff in YuYuYu to not be SoL even though it gives some insight into the character and how they feel about their current situation.

>>2168942
People usually argue that it doesn't work because it loses the charm the original series had though, due to stuff like not showing Nanoha's friends and family as much or at all, not because the scenes taken out had important plot and character development related stuff going on.

>>2168974
People constantly bitch about the movie removing Nanoha's character arc, among other things

>>2168981
Episode 3? That one probably wasn't as terrible if it was just that particular episode missing. The problem is the overall rush the movie plot is in, so the story that originally had distinct three steps of "becoming a magical girl, then getting a fated meeting, then becoming a fucking strong magical girl to fix everything" kinda gets molded together and without the proper pacing it just doesn't work properly.

>>2168855
Or the Kaiji narrator.

>>2168738
I wonder if KING RECORDS set a time limit on how much time had to pass before Yukarin could do older KING RECORDS characters as a free agent, which she is now.

>>2168662
I never wanted Nanoha SoL.

I can stomach an episode of Nanoha and Fate having a day off, but a whole fucking season with nothing but SoL shit for what is essentially an action sci-fi series?

I don't want this franchise to turn into Star Trek.

>>2168890
True, but even then it would likely be used to state a point. The few sections in both Nanoha (Prior to Vivid) and Madoka where we look into there private lives more or less state one thing... Nanoha/Madoka live some almost picturesque lives.They stuff no hardship and are as normal as normal gets.
With Nanoha, there is this undercurrent that it's just too mundane for her to bare. That she is looking for something, anything to be release that boredom. And tend she met Yuno....
With Madoka, it's purposely built to state a contrast between her life and the horrors of being a Magical Girl. Asking the question, why would she give that up for a life on the edge, in constant danger, with the deck so stacked against her that despair is the only thing to look forward too?

But over all neither focus on that for long simply because the moment of SOL are to make the setting work and nothing else. With out those moments, there motivations get a lot harder to define.

>>2169400
Yeah, I think that's how I feel too. Doujins, drama CDs, anthologies etc. are more than enough to satisfy my desire for seeing Nanoha SoL. The actual show should be more serious, with only occasional SoL or used to make a point as >>2169586
says

>>2169586
>With Nanoha, there is this undercurrent that it's just too mundane for her to bare
Honestly, it's pretty sad that despite her adventuresome nature and leaving Earth, Nanoha basically ends up living a very typical Japanese life with an unexciting job, a partner who's never home and one child. I bet she's a secret drinker.

>>2169586
>With Nanoha, there is this undercurrent that it's just too mundane for her to bare. That she is looking for something, anything to be release that boredom
Even if you have only seen the movie, how do you manage miss the point this badly?

>>2169659
>Honestly, it's pretty sad that despite her adventuresome nature and leaving Earth, Nanoha basically ends up living a very typical Japanese life with an unexciting job, a partner who's never home and one child.

I always found that a bit ironic really, in that despite everything that has happened Nanoha remains normal. She was really quick to adapt to magic and the adventures, but that in a way just becomes the new normal for her.
It's just that it far from boring for her and doesn't become to the new mundane. Mostly because it can't.

>>2169895
>how do you manage miss the point this badly?
You are going to have to explain yourself here.

>This is streaming in bongland but nowhere else.

Why does Nanoha always get fucked up releases? Is somebody on the Japanese side still buttmad about how the original series got fucked with the collapse of Geneon USA?

>>2168968
I have always said that there are things in Force worth saving. Most of the issues come down to bad writing and execution.

Nanoha's left hand saying : This is my women!

http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/mahou_shoujo_lyrical_nanoha_vivid_ch65#17

>>2169987
>Is somebody on the Japanese side still buttmad about how the original series got fucked with the collapse of Geneon USA?
It's about the movie criticized for being a "pedobait".

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>>2170508
I find it hard to believe that they would care about that

>[ron] Vivid Strike! - 04 [3F244B92].mkv + Extra

Subs for episode 4 of VS out.

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>>>/a/148851455
>[ron] Vivid Strike! - 04 [3F244B92].mkv + Extra
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=862556

Try to avoid spoilers. Just grab the episode and don't come back until you've seen the whole thing.

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NanoFate Extra #04 - 「Yet Another Adult Mode」

>[ron] Nanoha Picture Drama 02 - Nurse Girl Medical Shamal ~Prelude~ [8AFA4AE8].mkv
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Another short BD extra. It's a fake preview for a show that doesn't actually exist inside a fictional world that's a spinoff of an eroge.

>>2170681
Holy shit.

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Wow, this is might be (surprisingly) the bloodiest and most brutal scene in the series's history.

>>2170681
>http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=862556
Thanks!

>>2170776
I would never want to hold hands with such a brute...

>>2170776
source?

>>2170799
How can you be this stupid?

>>2170681
grabbing episode now! Hopefully it doesn't need a sub time adjustment like last time.

>>2170805
The episodes by ron come with the timed subtitles, and with a juicy Nanoha/NanoFate extra.

>>2170776
I had a feeling that might happen, but not to such a severe degree!

Do you think those three girls were killed? At least two seemed to have severe injuries, and the third may have been done in by the stomp/kick.

>>2170681
>>[ron] Vivid Strike! - 04 [3F244B92].mkv + Extra
Thanks!

Hopefully this will flow into an episode about Rinne and Victoria's Secret history!

I think that would make a pretty good title for a yuri manga/doujin/fic don't /u/. "Rinne and Victoria's Secret". Obviously lingerie would need to be involved.

>>2170821
They probably aren't dead or else it'd be all over the news. But goddamn, Rinne is fucking strong she didn't even have formal training to kick their asses. I think it was deserved though.

Now I'm just wondering if she'll revert back to kinder personality at the series end. Maybe remain a stoic like Sasuke.

>>2170681
Fuck everyone who said that strike was shit, myself included
Holy shit that was brutal
We a's now

>>2170776

I should not take this much joy in seeing three middle schoolers get hospitalized but holy shit.

I was three episodes behind and considering dropping this. Maybe it will actually manage to be interesting.

This season may be the most serious in the series after the original Nanoha animes and StrikerS

>>2170970
Those are elementary schoolers. They call out Rinne as being in year 5 class A earlier, and since Japan can't into foreign education systems, it probably follows theirs, which would put them all at about 10-11 years old.

>>2170976
>after the original Nanoha animes and StrikerS
And A´s.

>>2170976
Hardly, it will probably keep being on the level of inter-personal drama in a wrestling ring. No dimensional quake hazards, conspiracies or epic struggles to save a girl's life.

>>2171112
>I hurt myself today...
>To see if I still feel...

>>2170776
Ok, that was...
Damn....
Brutal, I didn't expect this to get brutal. Which is kind of new for the franchise. She is in this to make it a bloodsport, kind of cool.

>>2170776
>http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/mahou_shoujo_lyrical_nanoha_vivid_ch65#17
Oookay, didn't expect that

>>2171204
you didn't? It seems natural to me...

>>2171204
Look at Fate's right hand. They were clearly originally meant to be holding hands.

>>2171245
That's not right, originally they were evidently holding both hands and arms, but the artist was blinded by their love and didn't realize he added extra limbs to make the position possible. It wasn't until the editor pointed out the anatomic mistake at the last minute that the artist had to make a quick correction. Their love may be so great to grant them a biological child in a couple of years, but it isn't big enough to grant them extra arms.

>>2170821
I'd like to imagine the three of them became cripples and get bullied because of it.

>>2171278
Don't be like that. What they did was just the usual level of children cruelty. Some bullies become fucked up people later, but often it is just one of the stupidities the kids do and regret or try to forget later when they get better balance of hormones and some sense.

Now what Rinne did, that was inexcusable brutality. Hopefully we'll be able to explain with her going through a breakdown/psycho episode after granpa died and not actually being such a fucked person.

>>2170776
Are you sure this is the kind of person who should be allowed to register into a tournament that isn't run by Shang Tsung?

>>2171305
No, I meant for the lulz factor, not that they deserve it.

>>2171317
Also maybe open the opportunity for Rinne to meet them again and protect them from bullying, despite being the one who crippled them in the first place.

>all Nanofate fics are in Spanisb

Ugh. I can understand Spanish verbally but reading it is another thing.

>>2171305
Rinne did what she did because she snapped. It was just too much shit at once. It's hard to say if that is someone being fucked up or not, even if they are fucked up afterwards.

She was betrayed, had something precious to her stolen and broken, was beaten into unconsciousness, and had a close family member die and assumed it was her fault, all in one day while being like 10-12, not just despite her earnest attempts at friendship but because of them.

Even if you cut out the grandfather dying (which I still wouldn't completely, her phone call was clearly important and they ignored it and crushed her phone while she begged) this is quite a bit more than the usual level of cruelty you would expect from elementary schoolers. From my own experiences this seems more like inner city high school. I've seen retaliations on the level of what Rinne did for far, far less.

Doesn't excuse her, that level of bloodshed and the fact that she dragged a girl with her so she could stomp on her puts her over the level of what I would consider justified, but if you ask me you shouldn't pin someone in a bathroom and beat the shit out of them unless you understand the possible consequences. They kicked her in the fucking head while she was on the ground, multiple times, and then kicked her again. The only difference between what they did to her and what she did to them is she was strong enough and pissed enough to make the wounds actually visible instead of "just" knocking them unconscious from a blow to the head.

Everyone involved probably has brain damage now if you assume the last girl had her head stomped on.

Rinne kinda remind me of an evil loli lesbian Feito, she needs befriending.

>>2170776
>murders or seriously injured 3 of her classmates
>no repercussions
>move school
>everyone loves her now
They sure don't value human lives in Midcholda or whatever the planet is called.

>>2171561
>everyone loves her now
A pair of foster parents don't count as everyone. Anyway, that incident sure got covered up nicely. Nove has to use her "source" to dig it up.

>>2171561
We've already seen in StrikerS, how corrupt Midchilda can be.

>>2171561
Maybe it's part of her therapy and reintegration into society.
Maybe they got her to vent her anger only in professional matches as a means of anger management.

>>2171561
Her family is loaded, the exact same thing would happen on Earth.

>>2171634
Maybe they're even paying for their disability costs.

https://my.mixtape.moe/znzuof.webm
savage

>>2171634
There is a limit what money can do.

>>2171689
Rinne is a minor, Japan is more lenient regarding minors than many places.

>>2171578
>We've already seen in StrikerS, how corrupt Midchilda can be.

It dates father back than that, as far back as A's. That being said, corrupt isn't the word crapsaccharine seems to fit better... despite all the looks of it, Midchilda is far from prefect and has it's own host of problems.
TSAB's own lack to do anything about it's own corruption is only part of it. It also explains why Jail had such an easy time to do what he wanted, Midchilda's problems can serve as a pretty convincing distraction. Which he likely abused.
Yet again, another angle to StrikerS that remains unused.

>>2171689
Yeah, the record stay but Rinne is free to go beat up another poor kid. And she has adult supervision this time.

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Live version and updated translation of the ED. https://youtu.be/GmLKPJB6JDk

Starry Wish

Trembling with the desire to become strong, I stare at your back
Wishing upon the dignified flower, I want to protect you

I realized I couldn't go on alone in this town that never sleeps
But thanks to the warmth of the hand of that important person, I have learned to be kind

I will leap to my feet, I won't waver anymore
The countless stars above are shining upon us

Inside the spiral of time, the sprout of my wish spins round and round
These sad memories will become the seed of my courage
The light of hope is piercing through

I'll show you, I'll open the lock on your heart
The map of the future that I'm going to draw is glowing strongly

If we open our hearts to each other
We will be able to get up, over and over again
The smile you showed me that day
I'm going to be the one getting it back

Under the shooting stars, I close my eyes and put my trust in these overflowing feelings
This joyous singing voice will resound into the future
You are my light of hope

Spread out your arms widely, let's dash off together
Our irreplaceable time is glowing beautifully
Inside the palms of our joining hands

>>2171561
Bullies don't count as humans.

>>2171691
Nevada tan was sent to reformatory, and she was about the same age as Rinne.

>>2171707
>The countless stars above are shining upon us
>The light of hope is piercing through
>Under the shooting stars, I close my eyes and put my trust in these overflowing feelings
I hope this means Fuuka is getting a breaker
She deserves one more than Tea

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>>2171561
>everyone loves her now

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>>2171578
It is a totalitarian regime

>>2171782
I don't think TSAB/Midchilda is supposed to be such a terrible place. It is just that the authors don't think about how they make it look with the tropes they use for momentary cheap thrills.

They probably want it to be a reasonably happy place, but then they also want various drama elements in the story, and when they do that, they make Mid look bad.

>Orphans are moe, let's use that. And let's have tham shovel snow, that will be so cute. And let's have Fuuka live on her own and get fired.
>But, that is kinda bad, isn't it? Like the authorities would let those things slide in a modern society.
>Hmm, true. Err... let's just not think about it for now.

How quickly some people forget. We had graphic violence and death in the other Nanoha series (Vivid excluded so far).

In the original Nanoha we have Fate beaten by her mother.

In A's we have people and animals die as their core is sucked out, and death when a ship explodes

In StrikerS we have Riot 6's place being invaded and people dying. Loli torture of Vivio. The beating of Ginka, and the death of Suburu and Ginka's mother during a mission against Skilatti (spic) people, and the stabbing of the general that leads to his death. Among other things....

>>2171785
>Like the authorities would let those things slide in a modern society.
Yes, they would let those things slide, and do.
There is no utopian society anywhere.

>>2171786
Quint didn't die on that mission (Zest did), it happened later. It was implied she might have been assassinated IIRC.

Also most of the grunts in Riot 6 and in other places probably didn't die for real.

>>2171785
The fact that they took the futuristic, scifi city that we saw in Strikers and turned it into a generic Japanese city shows they don't care about the details of the background.
Seriously, a series newcomer watching VS would have no reason to think the series wasn't taking place in near-future Japan. Take out the floating screens, and it wouldn't even be near-future.

>>2171786
But never did the "good" antagonists do shit like that.

>>2171791
>The fact that they took the futuristic, scifi city that we saw in Strikers and turned it into a generic Japanese city shows they don't care about the details of the background.
Not all areas of the world are the same. You can have cities in some areas, and rural farms in others. The headquarters of Riot 6 and the city where you had the government building can be in a completely different area than the area where characters live. Just because its the future doesn't mean that everyone lives with advanced technology let alone can afford it. Just like real world society there are people with different financial and social status, and those that seek to maintain the status quo to maintain their wealth and power.

>>2171795
But the likely explanation is that not-Tokyo where people ride in Mercedeses, VWs and Fiats is cheaper to animate.

>>2171794
Fate broke Nanoha's arm and Shamal ripped out her linker core

>>2171785
Even back in the first season they had some questionable stuff.

Like how they wanted to just let Fate die after she gathered the jewel seeds and then swoop in and take them. Or whatever corporate shit led to ignoring the safeties on that power plant whatever Fate's mother worked at that led to it sort-of exploding and killing everyone near it.

There is some other stuff that I can't remember at the moment.

>>2171786
>We had graphic violence and death in the other Nanoha series

True, but not to this degree. As I said, this was straight up brutal. There is no other word for Rinne crushing her tormentor's with her bare hands.

>>2171968
>Like how they wanted to just let Fate die after she gathered the jewel seeds and then swoop in and take them.

That is just Chrono being Chrono, He has a tendency to be rather pragmatic when it comes to combat of any kind. Between the four mages (Himself, Nanoha, Fate and Hayate) he's the weakest of the lot by a considerable margin, so he's biggest concern is to go into any battlefield with some intention of coming back from it.

> Or whatever corporate shit led to ignoring the safeties on that power plant whatever Fate's mother worked at that led to it sort-of exploding and killing everyone near it.

I am not sure how much of that is canon to be honest. Since it is the movies and the movies embellish on the TV Series by a bit. That being said, there is nothing that really changed with The Movie First outside of that added detail to Preica (whom doesn't really have a backstory in the TV series aside from her objectives).
I guess, and accept it, of being part of the canon.

So with that out of the way.... yeah that was a dick move to pull, and makes you wonder a bit about the society. Yet for every moment that we see a glimpse of that, we focus on something else.

>>2171975
Yeah I didn't mean to refute what you said, but reinforce it. Those moments are pretty damn dark but they go just barely into detail on them which makes you wonder if it is a legit background element or just something the writer did for dramatic effect without taking the whole thing into account.

I just assume the first, since I enjoy it more that way.

>>2171980
>the writer did for dramatic effect without taking the whole thing into account.

I am more than willing to suspect these elements are caused by this more than anything because Masaki Tsuzuki seem to always try to back out of investigating those elements.

Bad Writing if you ask me but then Nanoha was never trying to be come epic or having good writing as a whole with scripts.

>>2171689
Japan is extremely lenient towards minors who commit crimes. The entire intent of the juvenile justice system is to reform the youth. Even if this means the 'punishment' seems laughably light and enrages the victim and their parents.

Let me put it this way. When a teen murders another teen, what do you think happens? In the USA, probably put him behind bars with adults for at ten years or more?

Japan, will instead, send him to a special juvenile court. There the judge along with the persecutor and defense lawyer work out what needs to be done to reform the kid. At no point (unless the law changed) would the victim's parents get involved. They in fact, might not even know the progress of court. Or even told until sentencing is over what is going to happen the murderous kid who just slaughtered their son or daughter. Or worse, not even know who is being prosecuted because to protect the future of the criminal youth, they will make it a complete media blackout with no details forthcoming.

Then comes sentencing, this is when these poor parents learn what happens. And what happens tends to make parents mad as hell.
The court sends the juvenile criminal to reformatory and after intensive counseling, vocational training, etc, they release the kid usually within a few years. I remember a case where the length of punishment for a gang of 14 year old for murdering a fellow student was less than 5 years.

Naturally, the court reserves the right to lengthen the punishment if the kid seems intractable or resistant to counseling. In fact, for Nevada-tan, they took this ultra rare action and lengthened her sentence. But in general, if you're under 16 and end up doing serious shit like killing or maiming another person... You can get out in less than 5 years and have no criminal record.

>>2172091
Just to be clear, there was no victim statement at any point. There is no death penalty for youths. There is no excessively long sentences for the criminal youth. Court cannot sentence compensation from the criminal to the victim or his parents, unless the victim/parent's sue the criminal.

I know there have been recent reforms but in general, Japan is incredibly focused on reforming. And it seems to work, recidivism rate is astonishingly low.

Of course, the moment these kids turn into adults and commit another crime. It's end of the line, go to jail forever. You had your chance, now take responsibility as an adult.

>>2171975
It seems the little thing about Precia and the power plant is included in the novel as well. I would consider it 'canon' but what good is canon if you have to use other media to figure it out.

Nanoha is terrible about keeping their info in one place and in agreeing with each other. Manga, videogames, movies, tv show, drama cds, and the novel.

All this from one guy writing the plot and could at least make everything consistent if he had the ability to.

>>2172100

I will be honest, part of me suspects that this might be due to the fact that Nanoha wasn't really structured as a franchise at the beginning. Then the original hit big and Tsuzuki has been playing it by ear ever since.

He apparently had one more good story in him before trying to expand the franchise with StrikerS, only to find out that both political intrigue and world building it something that he is poor at.

>>2170776
She straight up murdered those girls.

>>2172091
Most of the world in not as strict on crime as the United States is.

Compare what happened to Nevada-tan vs. Morgan Geyser for instance.

>>2171116
Great song, anon.

>>2172174
Yup, and Johnny Cash did it 10x better than Trent Reznor did. And Trent wrote the song.

>>2172148
Again, things point more towards hospitalized. Though yeah, no clear indication on the extent of the injuries.

>>2172218
Maybe their parents wanted them gone too so they helped cover it all up.

>>2172091
So if you want to be an underaged serial killer, Japan is the place to go. Got it.

>>2172207
Trent even said is Johnny Cash's song now.

>>2172232
Remember Nevada-chan who gutted her female classmates that she was obsessed with? She is already out.

>>2172233
That's good to hear. I'm glad he did. Evidently Trent has good taste.

Question so uhh, how the fuck can Vivio and Einhart lose to Rinne anyways? They can just fly around and blow up the arena.

>>2172300
Hasn't Rinne only fought Vivio?

>>2172301
Yes and she lost but since she got stronger no point in Vivio or Einhart fighting fair. They can probably kill everyone in the arena.

>>2172300
It's a martial arts contest, not lasertag.

>>2172300
>>2172303
Pretty sure flying is banned or something, whicj would make sense considering it's a martial arts tournament and that would be really boring and uncompetitive if a small fraction of the contestants just flew up and blasted their opponents with beamspam.

At the very least we haven't been shown anyone flying during the inter-middle. I'm pretty sure none of the ViVids have even flown on-screen at all, although presumably at the very least Vivio has the capacity to learn since her souped-up form in StrikerS can do it.

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>>2172207
I simply assumed anon meant Johnny Cash's version right away.

You hear those "hey this is better than original" all the time with covers and usually it is just because the particular person heard the remake first or is a fan of the new interpret. I'm fairly sure that is not the case here.

>>2172344
Reznor's on record saying Cash's version is the way the song was meant to be performed.

>>2172300
They can't fly

>>2172161
Depends on where you focus is, most of the developed world seems to force more on rehabilitation than that of punishment when it come to dealing with criminal activity. For the most part, it tends to do the job... crime rates in those area's tend to be low (due to that and other factors) and they don't deal with the overcrowding issues that the US goes through.

That said, it's a very nuanced thing... not necessarily better but it does work (for the most part, they *are* acceptations).

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Apparently, this month Vivid will have a shocking development.

>>2170776
Well, they absolutely deserved it.
I hope they died or are crippled and in pain for live.
Fuck this subhuman vermin.

>>2171782
I don't think it's much worse than i.e. the USA, we just saw some of the most corrupt shit going on.

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>>2172652
NTR confirmed?

>>2172748
The Vivids are all poly-dykes.

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>>2172748
Noooooooooooooooooo

>>2172748
Einhart's harem confirmed.

>>2172652
Is it ending?

>>2172652
Vivid getting a new season, and running side by side with Vivid Strike?
Vivid movie or special to fill the gaps between the two?

>>2172927
Unlikely, and hopefully not. From what I've heard Vivid manga is selling well, and Vivid Strike is getting good ratings and viewer numbers.

>>2172927
No, why?

>>2172300
What makes you so sure they'd loose?

>>2172990
They will be loose around her, if you get my drift.

>>2172982
The "shocking development" refers to what going to happen in the new chapter.

>>2173017
Vivio will walk in on Einhart and Yumina having sex.
It will be even more awkward than all those times she walked in on her mothers having sex.

>>2173032
No, that's just normal.
The shocking development is Vivio joining in.

>>2173017
Hopefully is about Miura winning and challenging Nanoha to a fight.

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All bets are off. It's IX waking the fuck up.

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>Crash simulation
>Strong blow on head/moderate cerebral concussion
Damn.

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Also, Einhart is at it again.

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Thanks to the spaceChina arc, Vivio has perfected that 0-100% move she pulled on her fight with Einhart.

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>Bakken
>Sacred Defender Full Drive
Fight will end next chapter.

>>2173501
>nanoha's and vita face
>>2173509
>Vivio has perfected that 0-100%
so this mean she's gonna win after all

>>2173498
That one actually occured to me.

>>2173501
At least she now knows how it tastes. Maybe she'll think twice before smashing that green waifu face next time.

>>2173509
Ayyyy Fabia.

>>2173570
>nanoha's and vita face
Damn, I thought it was Signum since she was there with Hayate.
>so this mean she's gonna win after all
I expected that, although who knows, I don't want to jinx it. The part where he got a rough hit and a cliffhanger IMHO paves way for a hard win. Also it makes sense for her to win on the second try, if Miura bashed her earlier. Also why do you think Miura is in Nove's gym in VS? It's befriending/conquering. She is Vivio's spoils.

>>2173570
It means she's going to job. You only win if you fail to do it properly until the last moment when it really counts and it's a one-in-a-million last-ditch shot and you flash back to the smiling facing of your etc. etc. etc.

>>2173498
Strike's OP kinda spoils that one

>>2173509
>>2173506
Goddamit Haru-nyan

>>2173498
One more girl for Einhardt's harem.

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Sometimes I forgot that Fabia is actually older than Einhart.

>>2172218
Or maybe we will see it in the next episode that the girls actually died.

>>2172232
Fuck. Too bad I'm not underage anymore, I should have known about this sooner.

>>2172652
Another fighting tournament!

>>2172658
I actually agree with you, I hate bullies and the fact that schools never do anything to stop them. So fuck them, let their victims (or other people) beat the shit outta them.

By the way, the mom herself mentioned that Rinne, the grandpa and the mom have similar eye color and hair color. Do you think it's just a coincidence? Or maybe Rinne's biological parents were related to the Berlinetta's?

Also, is it normal for people to pass out when they break their arm?

Chapter 66 of Vivid out:
https://vividtranslations.com/2016/10/26/double-vivid-release-nanoha-vivid-66-and-vivid-strike-ep4/

>>2173876
Yes, some people are pussies

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Sigh.

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>Long time no see, Cro

>Let me down
>Isn't it fine? It's been a while since the last time we met

>Everyone says that it's completely normal to want to hug cute girls
>But hugging a stranger without their permission is still a crime!

>But we're not strangers, we're friends
>I'm telling you, even friends don't do this normally...

>Better give up already
>Isn't it fine? Just let her love you
>Ugh

>>2173971
>all those stealth hands
I see all the sexual harassment she had to endure in the earlier chapters finally paid off
Haru-nyan is unstoppable

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>>2173970
Yumina gets introduced and she's already winning, poor Vivio. Not that I would blame Haru-nyan, she knows very well what this girl can do with those fingers of her.

>>2173971
Her harem keeps getting bigger and bigger. there is no stopping the Haru-nyan. Except for adult women, maybe, Fate defeated her with a single hand wave, as excepted from a experienced lesbian that was good enough to win the Nanoha bowl.

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>>2173975
Haru-nyan blushes very easily when cosplaying.

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>everyone at the church looks at the smiling Haru-nyan like she's some sort of freak
Well, can't blame them.

>>2173991
She is a monster that feeds on cute little girls

Since the third movie was annouced I finally decided to enjoy the Nanoha franchise. What's the optimal thing to do? What to watch first? What to read first? Should I avoid something in particular and focus on other things?

>>2174101
Watch the original anime, A's and StrikerS. Pretty much everything after them is bad, mediocre or a retelling and should only be ventured into if you really want to.

>>2174101
Release order is the only correct answer. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a filthy secondary who's trying to trick you into being like them so that there will be one less person in these threads to call them a filthy secondary.

S1, A's, StrikerS, Movie 1st, Movie 2nd, Vivid, then Vivid Strike.

Some people think that the Vivid manga is better than the anime but the scanlations for it suck and it doesn't really matter which you go with since neither will fully prepare you for Strike which spoils stuff that hasn't even happened in the manga yet. All other manga is purely supplementary. There's one drama CD that you'd have to listen to if you want to know the backstory of a minor Vivid character who's barely in the anime and not too important in the manga either. The bottom line is that if the only thing you do is watch all the anime in release order, you'll be more informed than most of the people in these threads.

>>2171305
Beating someone into unconsciousness is not the usual level of child cruelty. What kind of childhood did you have?

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>>2174101
Watch the Movie 1st, if you like it consider watching the rest of the series, otherwise don't waste your time forcing yourself to watch something you don't particularly enjoy just because of the lesbians.

>>2174117
>Release order is the only correct answer.

I think so too.

> Anyone who tells you otherwise is a filthy secondary who's trying to trick you into being like them so that there will be one less person in these threads to call them a filthy secondary.

It is not so simple. Some of those people apparently think that the shortened and prettified recap movies are more likely to catch new people (I guess that assumes shallow audience). I can see how they mean that but the way I see it the originals are more interesting, so they are also more likely to appeal (but maybe to different sort of watcher).

>S1, A's, StrikerS, Movie 1st, Movie 2nd, Vivid, then Vivid Strike.

I would probably read the Vivid manga first. It has just 60something chapters out and it is better and also the original.

>>2174125
Yeah, they did go way overboard there, but I think they didn't plan it, they got surprised by the fierceness of Rinnes resistance there and just reacted without thinking. It was bad, but levels less fucked than what Rinne did next way.

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>>2174134
>I would probably read the Vivid manga first.
The Vivid anime is pretty bad, It's hard to believe someone would recommend it over the manga.

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>>2174137
It's not that bad. Leaves some cute things out, some parts it does well, some eps have quality. All in all nothing terrible. But it is just an adaptation and as movies made from books show, adaptations blow.

Vivid manga is the original, so if one wants to go through the story properly, one needs to go for the original. Ideally first, because if you switch the order around, the adaptation fucks with your perception of the original.

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>>2174139
At least the Vivid anime gave us some cute NanoFate and Takamachi family moments from the manga.

>>2174136
Doesn't matter if they didn't plan it, it's still nowhere near normal for them to beat someone unconscious like that. Not saying that what Rinne did was right though. Still, was pretty satisfying seeing them get their punishment.

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I think they missed a lot of opportunities in the middle chapters in between the mock battle and the tournament fights.

Like Einhart attacking the pole, Nove with glasses, Harry giving authographs, or Cinque driving the car while sitting in baby seat.

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>>2174114
>>2174117
I never understood why the drama CDs get so little love, they are easily one of the best parts of the franchise
Amazing voice acting, cool plots, great worldbuilding and some of the best character moments in the series.
The mangas are also worth reading, they complement the anime and enhance the whole experience a lot

>>2174159
Yeah, but only persistent hugefans get tot that point I think, so pointing people who just want to have first taste first to them is not needed (yet).

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>>2174101
It's a little outdated because it doesn't include the Nanoha Vivid or Vivid Strikers anime.

>>2174173
It also has Force, which should be removed and ignored.

>>2174173
>>2174175
I could make a new one, I only need the font and ideas about what to write in the new entries

Einhart is so damn badass and cool, I wish she would star in an anime with an actual plot instead of just useless tournaments. I still can't believe vivid didn't have a plot, all these Belka descendants and it was just a coincidece? It was not part of some evil plan? No way.

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>>2174347
Indeed.
And Einhart living alone, with parents suspiciously gone, too.

>>2174159
Because they're not necessary to enjoy or understand the series.

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>>2174173
>>2174175
>>2174196
I would say leave Force on it but include that it is probably not worth reading and new projects seem to intentionally avoid anything to deal with it anyway.

I would also separate the PSP games and actually say something about them, but I assume I am one of the few people to have actually played them and I had to read an online translation from my phone while I played it to get the story. I would hardly consider my single opinion to be worth being on a chart like that that gets passed around all the time, but if you asked me I would say the first game kind of sucked and the second one fixed all of the problems I had with it and then had an actually decent story and loads of playable characters. Even has like the cat twins, the cat tutor, and Precia playable, it's great.

Could also expand on the side manga descriptions a little bit, since if I remember correctly they show a few pretty important events even if only briefly, like when Nanoha got fucked up. Nothing critical though.

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>>2174173
>>2174175
>>2174465
Updated this old chart.
Added Vivid anime, Vivid Strike, Innocents, and a wall of text with everything else at the bottom.
Updated a few minor things.
Moved Force and 1st Chronicle to secondary installments along with the rest of less important things.
Please tell me if something should be changed or added.

>>2174465
>Could also expand on the side manga descriptions a little bit
If you guys post better descriptions for anything I can update the chart. I didn't even consider making better descriptions by myself because to be honest I barely remember the old mangas.

>>2174952
Innocent and innocents are already finished

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>>2174979
I don't know how I missed that.

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>>2173971
There is something about Fabia that makes Einhart wants to hug her every time they meet.

>Vivid Strike goes maximum overedge
I blame rezero. That said, fuck this I'm out.

>>2176133
Cheers, Nee-san! Don't let the door hit you on your arse on your way out!

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The main thing is whether Vivid Strike storyline/characters will lead to shelving of Vivid storyline/characters. I hope no but fear yes.

>>2176152
Strikers led to the shelving of Nanoha characters, so there is some validity to your fears.

>>2176174
That one was not a complete shelving at least. Or would have not been, if Force didn't get indefinitely hibernated.

>>2176152
It already spoil us the end of vivid
What makes you thing the manga is going to continue after strike?

>>2176133
>>Vivid Strike goes maximum overedge

I can't really disagree with that, but it done it's job really. That said I didn't think that Vivid Strike would go that far, but it does address the lack of action that MSLN Vivid is rather famous for.

I do wonder how long it will take for Rinne to snap like that again.

> I blame rezero
How is Re:Zero to blame for this sudden shift?

> The main thing is whether Vivid Strike storyline/characters will lead to shelving of Vivid storyline/characters
I think that it would depend on the success of Vivid Strike, or not. If it does rather well, I would expect that Vivid's life will be cut short

>>2176342
>I think that it would depend on the success of Vivid Strike, or not. If it does rather well, I would expect that Vivid's life will be cut short

Doubt it. They will just move the storyline more that direction.

>>2176342
>How is Re:Zero to blame for this sudden shift?
Current hottest shit which is edgy as fuck, as far as I know. Why not get some of that audience.
Illuminati is probably involved too. Alright, that's probably not it but I just wanted to blame something.

>>2176359
I really don't think re:zero has anything to do with the dark in strike. plus in re:zero hope and willpower eventually win just like in almost every show people call edgy so whatever

I don't know if you are talking about the 5th episode or something since I believe that just aired like an hour ago in japan and I haven't seen it yet, but the stuff at the end of 4 even worse case scenario (three children murdered) isn't that much darker (if at all) than the stuff that has happened in every season of nanoha except for ViVid. It just usually isn't portrayed that bloody and brutal.

>>2176370
The point is exactly in how it was portrayed. They tried too hard.

>>2176385
All they really did more than before was show more blood. Maybe if they were dead it would be worse than some of the other shit in Nanoha, but they could easily still be alive due to the rules of fiction. It's not even the bloodiest scene in the franchise, Nanoha herself has looked far worse at one point and she still recovered from it seemingly completely. This is just some bullies getting the piss beaten out of them, it's not like they were artificially created child soldiers sent on suicidal political assassination missions or some shit.

If it is edgy because of young people being harmed, we already had that done to Fate by her own mother, while helpless, and she didn't deserve an ounce of it. If it is the possibility of death, we have already had plenty of that, even to children. If it is the blood, then it is arguably tied for scenes with Nanoha and Vita.

>>2176419
There's a difference between "dark" and "edgy".

>>2176423
And what makes this scene edgy instead of dark while the shit we have seen before is dark instead of edgy?

>>2176425
Now I have to explain this? I don't want to. I'm lazy. Sorry.

>>2176423
That depends on your definitions of the words. In the internet they're practically interchangable with edgy being "this dark thing I don't like", while in the world at large it just refers to something experimental that makes people uncomfortable.

>>2176426
That's fine, honestly I didn't actually expect you to do so adequately anyway.

>>2176430
Rude.

>>2176439
Sorry, that's just kind of how it is. Like >>2176429 touched on "edgy", the way we use it, is near meaningless and almost entirely based on the user's own definition of it, so asking someone to distinguish between it and dark is really just asking them to state their opinion as a fact.

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Rinne a natural born for trashtalk and killing bullies.

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>Fabia going full dere for Einhart
I guess all that hugging broke her.

>>2176499
Is Einhart in the top 5 alpha lesbians in anime history?

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Why is it always hard to get subs for nanoha?

>>2176499
And her harem continues to grow.

>>2176528
Not hard, Amazon streams got pushed back. Only Episode 1 was meant to be early streaming.

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Even Victoria

>>2176528
Take this opportunity to reflect on all the times that you downloaded HS over the years and remind yourself that you chose this future.

>>2176572
But I never chose to be born a retard that can't learn japanese

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>>2176543
I like the dumbdounded look Fuuka gave them in that scene.
>Um... Haru-san, who is she?
>Fabia. She's like my childhood friend or should I say, our ancestors are connected
>Well, it's complicated* ("kusareen" 腐れ縁: an undesirable but inseparable relationship)

>>2176574
once you accept, and internalize, the complete nonsense that is the japanese language, even you can learn it

>>2176353
I doubt that, the truth is that if the Vivid Strike does well I don't thing that moving the storyline towards it will just be enough.

We are still talking about a franchise that has been mostly dormant. If Stirke has been the only think that has been positive with the franchise, it would be better to attach with it.

Anyone know when Vivid Strike went up on Amazon JP?

subs out
https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=865552

>>2177084
>"First. =P"
Why the fuck are they even translating this?

>>2177131
I have the same question, they're lagging 2 years behind Vivid, should be translating the manga instead.

>>2177084
Now I don't know if I should watch it or just wait for something with softsubs. The have lowish bitrate too, so I guess I will pass.

aRon is out on nyaa - ep5 and also 1/2. Plus extra.

>>>/a/149189554
>>>/a/149189581

>>2177191
I was just coming here to post that.
https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=865654

>>2171968
>There is some other stuff that I can't remember at the moment.
In s1 Lindy sent her son to retrieve planet-destroying artifacts. And he wouldn't have been able to do that without recruiting help from civilians.

In s2 she was considering using the arc-en-ciel on earth to stop the book of darkness as an alternative plan. In fact, that would have been their default plan, because that's how they dealt with it before. Giving a captain the authority to just nuke other planets from orbit if their child mercenaries aren't up to the task is pretty horrible.


I think the main problem is that the writers are mixing tropes. All those things are kind fine if you're running a secret superhero squad. You don't have government support, you have no oversight, the heroes need to make tough decisions or millions die and nobody else is going to help.
But if you run an organized military with a fleet of starships, trained professionals and supposedly a chain of command it suddenly makes your military look a lot more questionable. Like it is run by secret cabals and power cliques.

Which actually is true.

>the official leaders are a triumvirate
>the secret leaders are a triumvirate of the original founders IN BRAIN JARS who never relinquished powers

And I can already see that pattern continuing. Lindy, Carim and Co. already are a closely networked group who could probably rule the tsab. And they're already acting as support network for Hayate&Co as yet another generation.