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Madoka Magica: Lets All Have Fun Edition

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>>2143122
I have that poster. I hate that design of Homura's swimsuit.

>>2143147
>Kyoko stealing Sayaka's bikini
>implying it wouldn't be the other way around
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>>2142662

Thanks. I'll get on organizing this as soon as I can.

I regret every day I didn't get into this scanning hobby earlier due to how many great works are just sold out and unavailable, even in digital format (or they're confined to Tora's weird ebook viewer I haven't found out how to rip from).
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>>2142662
Also, did you want to be credited on the gallery for the scans? I need a name/alias, if so.
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>>2143147
>that Mami predatory grin
Nagisa is about to get tenderly loved
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>>2143254
>I hate that design of Homura's swimsuit.
To be fair, Moemura seems like she'd have a bad sense of fashion.
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>>2143444
Nothing but innocent loli appreciation here, anon.
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>>2143497
can someone please translate this?
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>>2143402
I felt that way at first too, but if you just poke around every once in a while the out of print books sometimes pop up again and you can snatch them up. That actually kind of adds to the fun of it, whenever I see a book from an artist I like that previously wasn't available it's pretty exciting. It's like finding a treasure.

>>2143406
Thanks for the offer, but no need. I'm fine with remaining anonymous.
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>>2143402
>>2143406
Oh, and here is another one from the same artist as that other book you uploaded. Encase you wanted to add this one as well.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B01Dn3kBTNnuNkMyUEhoYm9Sejg
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>>2143517
I second that, pls translate
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>>2143575
Nice.

I'll try to take care of the rest of the meguca doujins you've linked once I'm done with scanning キルミーゴウド4.
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>>2143448
Considering that her subconscious came up with a plain but elegant magical girl outfit, I doubt it.
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>>2143655
Good point.
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>>2143656
One thing that trips me out about it, though, is the fact that she doesn't have shoes, but rather heels directly integrated into her tights.
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>>2143680
I thought they were just thigh high boots?
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>>2143677
hips too wide
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>>2143702
I've honestly never heard anyone think this. We don't have any official upskirt, but they look too thin to be boots, seem to be fabric, and rather high up/no zettai ryouiki. Plus she wears tights with her school uniform.
>>2143710
I was more bothered by Homura's oversized boobs. She's supposed to be a washboard.
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>>2143717
Everyone but mami and sayaka is a washboard.
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>>2143702
>>2143717
We have two official upskirts and I'm looking up her skirt right now (figure). It's intergrated hosery.
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Is it just me or does Kyouko looks like Ellen Page?
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>>2143717
Homura and Madoka deserve to have big boobs after everything they've been through.
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>>2143734
Think that's just you famalam
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>>2143745
No. Flat sex is best sex and they deserve only the best.
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>>2143733
Well I'll be damned. I was too busy gawking at the gunfight to notice this.

>>2143745
I don't think either of them are insecure about their figures.
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>>2143761
It can't be.
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>>2143801
Who would be her Sayaka?
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>>2143827
>>2143818
Don't care which of the two Kyouko is with, as long as she has someone. Best girl is best.
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>>2143851
> And since you responded positively to a KyoMami pic he hates you now

Wow. I even prefer KyouSaya...
There's shipping, and then there's plain crazy.
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>>2143806
Leslie Jones or Idris Elba in drag.
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This thread is starting to make me ship Kyouko with Madoka's mother.
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>>2143717
>>2143745
>>2143785
smaller boobs means they can be closer to each others hearts.
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>>2143862
My god... does this godly pairing actually exist?
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>>2143891
>k-on artstyle
Feels like I want to rip my eyes out of my skull.
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Why is this pairing very rare? Not canon, but quite fitting and aesthetically pleasing. There's one artist who's very loyal to this pairing, but his/her doujins never got translated.
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>>2144021
That specific picture seems less HomuKyo and more Madoka "warming up" Homura and telling her to fuck Kyoko for her own entertainment.
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>>2144021
Because both Homura and Kyouko, regardless of their respect for each other, have different love interests and they've done some fucked up shit for them.
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>>2143208
>implying kyubey wouldn't be palpatine

First for Homura tossing Kyubey down a reactor shaft.
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>>2143879
Fuck, that's deep.
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>>2144140
It Really Makes You Think

>>2144161
Really Makes Me Contemplate My Life tbqh
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>>2143879
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>Homura-chan, more. Kiss me more.
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>>2144268
Small on small symmetrical docking is justice
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>>2143879
This artist does some pretty good MadoHomu.
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>>2144269
Homura has skin tone of a corpse.
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>>2144574
She IS a walking corpse after all. Or at least she was.
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>>2144574
She was bed ridden with a heart condition.
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>>2144574
So I guess she was going to be otherworldly one way or another.
Damn Devil.
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>>2144574
>Homura-chan, why are you so cold?
>I suppose because I'm no longer human.
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>>2144815
Not nearly enough doujins of these two.
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>>2144836
It's very disappointing.
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>>2144836
Not enough doujins or scans of the ones existing
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>>2144844
It is unfortunate. As convenient as it would be, the scanning community aren't omnipotent figures with infinite currency, so it's either hobby-motivated or a lucky commission once in a while with some of the larger groups.
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>>2144815
Normally I'm not all that into lolis, but that flat chest against Mami's mamis is incredible.
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>>2144836
I am rather glad for that, really.
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>>2144976
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So are there any Mamifags bothered by Mami being paired with Nagisa? Personally, if I ship Mami with anyone, it's as Madoka and Homura's threesome partner a la TL 1 and 2.
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>>2145029
I wish there was an older woman she could get paired with. Like Junko or the OL from that one episode.
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>>2145029
Not me. I love Mami/Nagisa.
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>>2145029
Oneeloli a best
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>>2145060
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>>2145063
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>>2145037
Ayane, pls.
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>>2145060
>>2145063
>>2145065
I hope this artist never stops drawing MamiNagi stuff
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>>2145060
>>2145063
>>2145065
I hope this artist never stops drawing MamiNagi stuff
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>>2145143
Abumato quitting MamiNagi is about likely as Maitake quitting MadoHomu. It's just never going to happen.
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>>2145156
Abumato a mediocre artist.
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>>2145185
His/her anatomy could use some work sometimes, but there is some definite skill here as well. As far as poses, angles, scenario's and just overall sexuality of some drawing. At first glance it might not seem the best, but there are some definite pluses to this artists work.
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>>2145116
Last I checked they're total MamiNagi now.
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>>2145200
It's grown on me a lot that's for sure.
Plus they're the only dedicated MamiNagi artist, bless their soul.
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>>2145210
There's only that one doujin they've done with MamiNagi, which has an adult version of Nagisa.
So the Mami/Older lady thing is still a thing.
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>>2145423
>There's only that one doujin they've done with MamiNagi
She also did a gag segment in one of her larger untranslated works. She barely does KyouSaya as it is, so I wouldn't expect her to have much for the omega couple.
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>>2145423
There is also a panel in that doujin where the real Nagisa kisses a sleeping Mami on her lips & doesn't want Mami to forget her or hate her for devouring her.
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Slot2 keep getting better and better.
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>>2145443
IS THIS FUCKING REAL???
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>>2145443
I wonder how Madoka would react to that.
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Concept movie slides from SHAFT's official Twitter.
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>>2145451
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>>2145452
>Dark Madoka
>Black Swan
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>>2145451
Looks like that Madoka isn't a wraith. And Homu is holding her hand based on the arm placement.

>>2145452
>Excited for to see new witch seals
>They're all old ones

>>2145457
If Gretchen's seal and the Dark Madoka have any significance, it may be Madoka and Homura have both turned black. Gretchen's seal is a black queen crown, while Akuma Homura's gem is a black king's crown. If that's the case, this is looking even more like Princess TuTu. Can't wait for the inevitable doujinshi.
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>>2145451
They're climbing the stairway to adulthood together!
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>>2145451
Tell me about Sayaka!
Why does she wear the mask?!
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>>2145584
Because she's gay.
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>>2145443
That's autistically adorable.

>>2145584
Nobody cared who she was until se put on the mask.

A moment of silence for fellow yurifags who have died since Rebellion and will never see SHAFT Banepost in a Madoka Magica project
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>>2143656
>>2143655
She does have the most well designed and attractive magical girl outfit in the show. It's perfect.
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>>2145669
bullshit.
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>>2145719
>Multi-colored color scheme that blends well
>Leggings
>Simple, but effective
>Diamond designs help point her out, subconciously, as an antagonist (at first) because all the other girls have round designs (especially the soul gems)
>also a sailor fuku

Literally nothing better
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>>2145719
I agree with everything >>2145725 said, but Kyouko is a close second. Apple's outfit combined with her fighting style is great.
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>>2145733
I was just posting about Homura, but honestly I think the best after her's is probably Sayaka's.

I certainly don't hate Kyouko's outfit, but I don't feel that it conveys any kind of concept. I don't see where it's coming from.

On the other hand, I can tell what all the other girls are supposed to convey.

Now, with Sayaka
>Knight/hero theme throughout
>small cape
>blue/white color scheme indicative of "light" and "heroism", also reminiscent of the mermaid concept
>not too tight or too baggy, very "proper" (minus the belly window)
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>>2145738
Kyouko's wears priest vestments because she idolized her father. She wears red as a contrast to Sayaka's blue because she's appears to be Sayaka's opposite in every way. Once we get the reveal, we realize her outfit was rooted in her idealism of her father's vision. Her spear contrasts with Sayaka's sword, but they're both melee weapons, a nod to them having underlying similarities had things not transpired the way they didm
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>>2145452
Interesting.

The drawing of where Sayaka is imprisioned in the concept movie shows that Oktavia is also there. It's possible to see the helmet and the chained gauntlets holding the columns.
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>>2145764
Oktavia is her stand now.
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>>2145738
What about Mami's dirndl, aside from big boobs=maturity?
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So still no sequel announcement? This concept movie is a seuqel you waiting for.
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>>2145447
Plastering a Homura decal over her laptop, obviously.
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>>2145764
I'm curious to see whether this is visual metaphor so to speak and Sayaka is discovering her lost memories or if Homura literally has Octavia chained in a basement somewhere.
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More cool stuff from Madogatari:
https://twitter.com/aniplex_plus/status/778515754358411264
https://twitter.com/aniplex_plus/status/778517717263327233
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>>2145825
Plot twist: the sticker is from another timeline. Madoka gave her that and had a Moemura one on her laptop.

>>2145915
I'm loving it.
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>>2145744
I think kyouko's in red "vestment" because she's a cute devilish blasphemer tb-h. Dunno if her father was an anglican priest that accepts black lesbian muslim clergy. Oh, and her hair is red. Everyone's clothes matches their hair color.
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>>2145988
The red is to contrast with Sayaka's blue and paint her as a bad guy. Kyouko is a very much an antagonist the first time we meet her.

>Everyone's clothes matches their hair color.
It's the eye color.
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>You're going to be my waifu Madoka
Moemura is pissed!
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>>2145442
>>2145443
>>2146009
I don't want to get caught playing this in public baka
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>Inb4 Tumblr
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>>2146017
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>>2146018
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>>2146019
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>>2146020
Literally saved by yuri.
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>>2146022
This doujin is now canon.
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>>2146014
Yeah. Few things are worse than getting caught playing pachinko, no matter the reason.
Even if you say "I only wanted to see the girls being gay" you're still playing pachinko.
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This one's for you, scanon.
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What is /u/'s least favorite crackship? Personally mine is MadoSaya. It combines my dislike of Sayaka with cunt blocking the two best characters. Even though it's more believable than say MadoKyou or HomuSaya, it rubs me in all the wrong ways.
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>>2146040
I don't like any crackship period.
They're all unnecessary & different character dynamics can be explored platonically.
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>>2146040
Same here, and my dislike for it was exacerbated when I read Persephone's Waltz years ago. I barely remember what happened in it, just that it made me mad as fuck.

I don't like KyoMami either but I can at least accept that it has some basis.
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>>2146040
I feel like KyouHomu as a romantic pairing kind of damages the potential bro-ness they have together. They have a really cool potential dynamic, but romantically it's bland.
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>>2146041
>different character dynamics can be explored platonically.
That's a true. I read a pretty decent KyouHomu fic where Kyouko was teaching Moemura how to steal things and use her power selfishly. Homura being the dork she is, ended up buying everything she was trying to steal and Kyouko couldn't help but think it was cute.
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>>2146045
Exactly, it can be done when done right.
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>>2146043
The PMMM Wiki was dead to me when they recommended PW as a good example of Homura's psychopathy.

>>2146044
Very much prefer the bro-mance the romance between them.
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Did anyone ever scan JP RAW of Sachikano by Maitake that was released in c90?
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>>2145744
>Kyouko's wears priest vestments because she idolized her father
I don't know how I didn't realize all these years that her clothing was supposed to be similar to priest clothing. Is there a good example out there to really see it?
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>>2146040
You sure it's still crackship?

Sure looks like it's climbing up there...
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When's the BD for the concept movie again?
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>>2146083
Next week, I believe.
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>>2146040
>best friends since childhood
>adorable and cute interactions
>obviously they want to fuck each other

This is what drove Homura insane. Why can't the fanbase just accept Sayaka as Madoka's most precious platonic friend and Homura as her most precious maybe-girlfriend?
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>>2146081
You see it in the collar and the placement of her soul gem. She's trying to live up to the values of Father Sakura.
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>>2145451
Does this imply Sayaka getting a half-witch armor upgrade, or is that meant to be imprisonment?

It's hard to say. Still hoping for a Berserker Armor vs Devil Homura scenario.
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>>2146082
>You sure it's still crackship?
>Sure looks like it's climbing up there...
If you ignore MadoHomu, KyouSaya, and put it behind MadoMami, sure MadoSaya is REALLY moving up in the ranks.

>>2146088
>Why can't the fanbase just accept Sayaka as Madoka's most precious platonic friend and Homura as her most precious maybe-girlfriend?
Homura's not even jealous. She just thinks Sayaka is a retard in general. The topic was crackshipping. I don't think anyone cares if Madoka and Sayaka are friends.
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>>2146089
That makes a lot of sense.

I always wondered about what her costume was supposed to be, but now it makes a lot of sense.

Was he supposed to be Anglican? Protestant? Do we know?

>>2146090
>Does this imply Sayaka getting a half-witch armor upgrade, or is that meant to be imprisonment?
Could be both, really. Very little good happens in this series without something bad to balance it, and vice-versa.

Perhaps being granted the ability to use Oktavia's strength/abilities comes with some kind of drawback - an inability to return to the LoC if she were to die like that, or an increased risk of once again becoming a witch (assuming the LoC is entirely off limits now that Madoka is split from Madokami) etc. In that sense, she'd be both "chained" to Oktavia, but also upgraded
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>>2146096
True, Homura has never shown jealousy towards anyone, but one clara doll is named Jealous and is described as one who needs love, which implies she feels jealousy, but who knows why or towards who she feels that
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Did the lyrics get translated for the Madoka and Sayaka duet song?

Pretty curious what they are and what they might imply
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>>2146090
I'm leaning toward imprisonment, but I can see a Sayaka-Ocatavia fusion as a power up. If fusion is added, I can also see it as a means of bring up the possibility of a God-Devil fusion.

>>2146100
>one clara doll is named Jealous
She's jealous that everyone else gets wishes granted while she doesnt.
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>>2146032
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>>2146096
>Homura's not even jealous

If watching Sayaka play her Madoka waifu glomping game for 100 loops straight isn't taking some sort of emotional toll, then I don't know what will
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>>2146103
Some dude on Twitter posted a summary. It' a fluff song about them growing up and facing challenges together.
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>>2146113
Take a break, buddy. Go take a hike in the woods and enjoy some greens or something.
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>>2146043
I mean, it's okay in that it's a "what if" scenario using the premise of Homura being batshit insane. It's not meant to be taken as a reflection of her canon characterization, at least it didn't give me that impression.
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>>2146113
Are you stupid? >>2146088 Was being sarcastic.
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>>2146134
I have no problem with it existing, but the wiki has it with a section that goes on about Homura being a "textbook psychopath" and an abusive lesbian while citing Tumblr as proof. People are entitled to opinions, but using out of context actions to validate "personal agendas" doesn't belong on a character page right next to canon material.
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>>2146116
>fluff song about them growing up and facing challenges together.

Yes I love that very much. Totally fits their relationship and roles in the series.

Best friends forever Madoka's going to lose her forever in the sequel, isn't she?
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>>2146150
>Madoka's going to lose her forever in the sequel, isn't she?
Very much doubt it. Even if Sayaka and everyone else dies, the chances of there being a final universal reset are pretty high.
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>>2146097
>Was he supposed to be Anglican? Protestant? Do we know?
A new sect developed by her father
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>>2146153
Could totally see something like the destruction of Magical Girl Valhalla, meaning Sayaka's soul can no longer join Goddoka's.

It would be the one thing that would cause Madoka to not hold back and bring down Homura, which by all accounts is where things are likely going to go.
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>>2146170
Obviously there has to be conlict. But tthere's going to be the emergence of a third power. And seeing how wraiths and Mami will be playing a major role, it's going to be a lot more than Sayaka dying for the nth time.
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>>2146182
Cont
The other issue is that both Madoka and Homura are at an impasse. They're equally powerful in terms of strength. The true "battles" of the series are fought through ideology and perspective. Madoka giving up on Homura would break a promise she made. Madoka giving up on magical girls would also break a promise she made to save all magical girls. Homura letting Madoka become a god would break a promise she made to ensure Madoka never became a magical girl. Homura not giving up on Madoka's life as a human being will only result in Madoka coming to hate her, which would break Homura's promise of wanting a world where Madoka can be happy.

There's an unending conflict there, one which Mami is certain to play a role in resolving or perhaps even making worse.
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>>2146191
I don't think Madoka would ever hate Homura.

>Mami having a major role in resolving the Homura-Madoka conflict
Pls no
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>>2146149
Oh yeah, I remember someone pointing that out on /meduka/. Honestly, though, the wiki is kind of a mess considering how casually and informally it's constructed. It's also fairly content-starved. The TVTropes page is honestly better.
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>>2146103
Obviously wouldn't imply anything fanservicy. Madoka doesn't cater to any other ships.
>tfw no homumado duet
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>>2146192
Madokami would never hate Homura. Madoka with no memories of Homura beyond her being a creepy devil could.

If she's supposed to be Guan Yu, than she'll be instrumental in understanding Homura's underlying good nature. Yu serves under Cao Cao, who is morally suspect and often considered to be a bad guy, but leaves due to his loyalty to his former master. When given the chance to slay Cao Cao and route his forces, Yu refuses because he remember Cao Cao's magnanimity toward him. Homura is viewed as "evil", but is just trying her best. Kyouko may not even believe this is a problem and embrace the idea. Mami would in theory see that good nature under the act but also be faithful to her old master (Law of Cycles). God knows Sayaka wont even try to understand Homura. Just speculation of course.
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>>2146195
>tfw no homumado duet
Pretty sure that's something on Chiwa Saito's end. I highly doubt SHAFT is holding them back. Claris and Kalafina do enough MadoHomu themed songs as it is.
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>>2146197
And not necessarily hate, but make greatly sad.
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>>2146193
I think the lack of committed Japanese readers and translators in the international fan base is a significant issue. No one has translated the InuCurry material books or the movie guide books. Not that anyone has to, but those help a lot in understanding the franchise to date There are some Tumblr users who translate, but they never past raws of their scans or of the Kirara issues in general. The whole Tumblr Wraith Arc translation is a debacle with most of it being self-indulgent attention seeking. It's something you don't see in the doujinshi community. I mean, look at scanon.
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>>2146227
>It's something you don't see in the doujinshi community.
With exceptions of course.
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>>2146227
Pretty odd considering how popular the franchise is. Silver Garden is woefully slow, and yeah, I've been following Wraith Arc. Ironically, the raws, which are usually an issue, have been out for over a month, and still no translation.
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>>2146244
I would think time and growing up. 2-5 years is a long time and most of the people who translated for fun are most likely out working. I'd imagine they still keep up with the series from time to time, but they're not going to be coming home to translate. I also think Rebellion brought out a lot of raging autism that forever changed the fan base and that just ends up driving productive people from fan bases.

WA 8 has no reason to be taking this long. It's pretty light dialogue wise. I just think no one is taking it seriously, especially since there's a 99% chance Yen Press licenses it in the US by the end of the year.
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>>2146258
Moreover, WA is getting increasingly panned. It started out with some mild flaws but it seems to have trainwrecked itself in the past couple of chapters. I was quite interested at first, but I've been completely disappointed.
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>>2146258
I feel like the crazy people in the fandom are more significant than the passage of time. Madoka is popular enough that there should be plenty of people to draw from to take over roles as other people cycle out. However, most people are not sufficiently thick-skinned to deal with the more obsessive and hostile assholes in the fan base.
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>>2146270
I certainly hope that isn't what the sequel will be like. I have been holding off final judgement on Rebellion's because I need to see how it continues from there. It's a great movie, but ultimately it is a spring board to a new beginning. If we get something WA quality even if it has a MadoHomu kiss, it would kill the post-series for me.

>>2146287
>most people are not sufficiently thick-skinned to deal with the more obsessive and hostile assholes in the fan base.
Can you blame them, really? I'd like to think that one could watch the series, enjoy the story, appreciate the story, and have a favorite ship, canon or not. But the level of rage in this base is absurd. It certainly doesnt help that Madoka is written on a higher level than your typical anime and tries to be open to interpretation, but I guess that just further cements Madoka as the Evangelion of Anime.
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Moemura's awkwardness is endearing and I want more of it. Anyone got fanfic recommendations with Moemura or something?
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>>2146301
Why is lewd Madoka so erotic?
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>>2146270
In your opinion how WA could be better?
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>>2146197
I think it's against Madoka's character to hate anyone, even a Homura she has no memory of. She's written to be the "pure character that can sing carols of praise for humanity". Remember how she tries to get Sayaka to be all buddy buddy with Kyoko even when Kyoko had shown nothing but selfish and antagonistic behaviour. I don't think she even hates Kyubey at the end of the series after knowing how much of a shit he is. She's just not capable of bringing herself to hating someone.

On a side note, I'm still mad that RoTK forever biased historian's and the general public's views on the three kingdoms period. In reality Guan Yu was a talentless hack asshole and he somehow gets deified while anti-hero Cao Cao gets turned into an archetypical moustache twirling villain. I know that the Madoka sequel will have elements from RoTK, not history, but it's still annoying.
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>>2146342
I agree on the Madoka part. In fact, I feel that just like with the series, she's the only one capable of ending this without it becoming a total tragedy. But Homura believes she's making Madoka happy and doesnt care if they become enemies, without considering that Madoka's definition of happiness includes a 6 letter word that begins with H and ends in -omura. We as viewers understand that, but Homura likely doesn't.

Butcher's favorite character in RoTK is CaoCao, if that makes you feel better. If Homura has elements of CaoCao, Butcher will likely emphasize those anti-hero elements rather than the moustche twirling considering ahe's our reaident anti-hero/villain.
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>>2146287
Yeah, this is certainly a factor. I remember there was someone translating the wraith arc a while back but dropped out after one particularly obnoxious anon started personally attacking him/her because of some grammar or spelling errors.
I guess I understand not wanting to continue doing something if you just catch hate on doing it, but in this case there were plenty of anons also thanking the translator (as I recall) so I still see it as bad form to let the one idiot in the crowd ruin it for you.
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>>2146032
Thanks! hope to see a little short with these two come out of the slot game
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>>2146168
I know that, but I meant in terms of his look, and the look of his church - did it match up, even slightly, with some real life belief?
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Soon.
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>>2146460
It begins!

Even if there's nothing special, it'll be really nice to have the concept movies in HD, and not shitty camrips
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>>2146464
It's not mine by the way. I just saw people on Twitter posting. It's very limited give away and has an unaired Monogatari episode and the Nagoya style concept movie where three of them aired at the same time.
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They're also allowing photos inside the exhibit now.

I was excited for the witch of animation, only to find out that it is the official witch of studio Shaft.
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>>2146468
>It's not mine by the way. I just saw people on Twitter posting
I figured. But if someone has it, then the chance of it getting online at some point soon is heightened.

>an unaired Monogatari episode
do want

>and the Nagoya style concept movie
Was this the second one, with the stairs and the Swan Lake imagery?

Or was that the first, with the Giant Mami Head?
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>>2146475
The Mono episode has no audio and the script is read by some dude, so it's a concept movie of its own.
The Nagoya trailer had all of the concept movie material played on three screens simultenously. Different concept material played on all of them at the same time. The animation was the same though.
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>>2146478
>Different concept material played on all of them at the same time. The animation was the same though.
I'm a bit confused, but I'll take your word for it. Hopefully we'll see it all together at some point.
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>>2146481
Ah, here's your confusion. This >>2145451 is what changed between movies. That is story board and concept material. That stuff changed depending on the venue, and during the Nagoya event, three different videos were played at the same time. The animated parts were 100% the same in every movie, but the storyboard images were different.
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>>2146489
>The animated parts were 100% the same in every movie, but the storyboard images were different.
So if the BD has the Nagoya one, are they just going to add all of the concept slides into the animation regardless?

Where did the official image of the two walking up the stairs come from, then? Was that some of the concept art shown during the video?
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>>2146495
Yep.

>Walking up the stairs
That's concept material. If you scoure e-hentai, they have the concept material for the series and Rebellion.
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>>2146500
Same pic, just on the big screen.
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>マギアレコード 魔法少女まどかマギカ外伝 >2017年春 配信予定

We're getting a gaiden in spring.
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>>2146518
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>>2146706
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>>2146518

A gaiden of what? new spinoff anime?
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>>2146707
Wraith and Mami. I am going to try to be optimistic.
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>>2146709
Dunno. Several people at Madogatari were tweeting it. Id wager it's a bridge to clarify stuff. It wont be the main project though.
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>>2146711

I've been wanting a spin-off forever, but at this point I wouldn't know what material they should cover.

Mami/Kyouko prequel would be great animated, but it would have to be different from TDS, otherwise more than half of it is a retread.

Wraith Arc properly animated would be great, but it sounds like the manga drags/squanders some stuff. An official animated adaption that improved on it would be the most ideal, since that's such an integral part of the events leading to Rebellion that it would suck to leave that out of animated stuff.

Just happy megucas being happy would suffice as well. Just please no original characters and no retreading of stuff we already know about. I want to know NEW things about the characters and their relationships.

Basically I want my Sayaka and Homura odd couple spinoff.
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Any idea when we'll get confirmation on the spin-off?

I was hoping more than anything that the concept movie would have a vague "2017" drop at the end of it. If there's really a new anime in spring, I would be super happy and would accept whatever it was.
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>>2146722
It's a Madoka Magica project, not TDS or Kazumi. It's tied to the project.
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>>2146732

Someone in another thread said it was a smartphone game announcement.

I'm hoping it's more than that, but this shit is also typical at this point.
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Apparently if you adjust the brightness and contrast settings, than you can see shit like this. I knew it. No way Homura would be creepy when she has a wedding ring, Madoka's ribbon on her chest, and a new soul gem.
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>>2146737
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https://twitter.com/scum_neet

Scum_neet (the guy who did the original sketches of the concept material on Pixiv) is posting cuts from the BD he got. He has commentary, but I don't think it's particularly important beyond more speculation. Great stills though. LOC Meguca rescue team is going to get BTFO by satan-chan.
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>>2146712
inb4 Mami's Everyday Life
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>>2146706
This has "vs Sayaka" written all over it.

Those dolls are made for cutting down.
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>>2146797
Sayaka's imprisoned. Now that we have actual photos, she's sealed with a note that says her clip has been changed to a music note that represents weakness. Octavia is hooked up to a guillotine like structure. No Berserker Armor it seems. Sayaka's back to being bullied.
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>>2146791
We've seen Homura do a creepy smile in Rebellion and this is not it.
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>>2146710
>Can't create an organic sequel
>Give nobody monsters a major role
>Explain their purpose in a clusterfuck manga

Calling it now. Homura defeats everyone who challenges her. Walpurgisnacht was the only one who she couldnt defeat, because Walmartnight was a force of nature. Just like in WA, Wraiths are going to target Homura but also Madoka forever as long as they maintain a corporeal form. She's back at fighting against a force of nature that is spawned from the curses of humanity and exist to balance the universe. She'll be bullied by Mami, Sayaka, and Wraiths until she stops going off by herself and then meld souls with Madoka or something.
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>>2146802
Yes because there is absolutely no chance she will break out or be freed at any point. The story is one and done.

Deluded Homurafans, I swear. It could be two hours of Homura facing no opposition whatsoever and they would be happy.
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>>2146823
More like anyone paying attention to the press releases.
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>>2146824
Homura will face opposition, but it looks like Sayaka is going to get wrecked.
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>>2146826

They aren't going to give away all the twists and turns through pre-release material.

I'm especially not placing any bets on Mami even making it to the final act to take on Homura.

Is it really a stretch to believe Sayaka isn't going to spend the entire sequel doing literally nothing?
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>>2146827
Is it really a stretch to believe gets her ass kicked early on?
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>>2146829
*Is it really a stretch to believe Sayaka gets her ass kicked?
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>>2146829

Yes, because they aren't going to sideline any megucas.

If anything it'll be like TDKR where she loses early but makes a comeback.
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>>2146829
You know how many times Urobucther has pulled the "good guy gets their shit wrecked by antagonist who could easily destroy them, picks up the pieces and tries again later"?

This literally just happened in Thunderbolt Fantasy, which is his current series. Sayaka getting her shit wrecked is totally expected, but not doing anything else for the remainder of the story is not.
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>>2146833
I've watched more than a few of his shows, including TB. That certainly didn't happen in Fate/Zero nor anytime in Madoka. Miraculous come backs are certainly not his thing. And Ken still has a pretty high chance of dying.
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>>2146833
I think your misunderstanding me. I don't doubt Sayaka will have a role and I expect hr to be influential in restoring some of Madoka's power back. I'm saying don't expect some miraculous turn around where she gains god-tier powers and challenges an opponent way out of her league on equal footing.
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>>2146839

Fair enough. It's just too often someone here will insist that Sayaka will have zero involvement in something whatsoever. See all the pre-Rebellion shit-flinging, or even the latest manga. Some people really can't bring themselves to accept Sayaka as a central character in this series despite being that from the very fucking start.

As how she'll fare against Homura at the climax or whatever, it can go any number of ways. No, I'm not expecting her to beat Homura and save everyone, but I'm not expecting Homura to one-shot her either.

Good characterization will want you to root for both of them and hope they can put aside their diferences for the sake of their best friend Madoka. Spend less time thinking who's going to beat who and wonder who's going to be left when this is all over.
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>>2146839
>>2146846
I'm not even a Sayafag but I think people are forgetting that she has gotten better since the tv series, in terms of physical capabilities and fighting prowess.

She's a lot faster now, if her little bout with Homu in Rebellion meant anything. And - a key point here - she knows how Homura's shield/time powers work, and how to temporarily stop them.

That last point alone could at least make any fight between the two a lot less one sided.

>>2146737
>>2146739
I'm almost going to guess that there's going to be a second Homura, in the same sense that there are currently two Madokas, technically (and even perhaps a third, if people's guess about a 'dark madoka' based on Swan Lake is going to be true). Otherwise, a wedding band and a new soul gem would only make sense in an end game scenario (which I don't think they'll show us in concept material) or some kind of illusion/dream
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>>2146846
It's primarily because of the role she's given in a series meant to end at episode 12. She's written to be pathetic because that's how a 14 year old want for thing would react in a situation like that. It doesn't help that Sayaka's best moments come from a movie that was intentionally doing the opposite of the series. She's a classic Urobuchi side character: more fleshed out than the protagonists, possibly even more interesting (Waver and Alexander come to mind) yet solely created to suffer.

The reason I believe Mami is going to be central is because every conflict capable of ending in a major character death is averted due to the entrance of a third power.

>Homura killing Kyubey is averted by Mami
>Kyouko killing Sayaka is averted by Homura
>Homura defeating Sayaka is averted by Madoka
>Homura killing Sayaka is averted by Kyouko
>Mami killed Homura is averted by Madoka
>Walpurgisnacht killing Homura is averted by Madoka
>Mami capturing Homura is averted by Sayaka
>Homura killing herself is averted by the girls

At this point, I think the only thing averting Homura and Sayaka/LoC?Madoka from having to kill each other is Mami.
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>>2146853
>I'm almost going to guess that there's going to be a second Homura
I really wouldn't be surprised if Devil Homura and Homura exist as semi-separate entities.
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>>2146854
>I will conveniently ignore that Sayaka improved in character growth and strength to make a point

Sayaka's defining trait has always been wanting to save the people she cares about.

The sequel has it set up that she would put everything she has in order to save Madoka and perhaps save Homura too
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>>2146863
>Sayaka's defining trait has always been wanting to save the people she cares about.
Her defining trait is that she wants to be a hero. A literal white knight. Homura played right into that by setting herself up as a universe destroying villain. Exactly what is Sayaka saving Madoka from?
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>>2146872
>being stripped from the law of cycles
>her memories altered/removed
>her best friend imprisoned
>her other friends in constant battle
>Homura is miserable and dead inside

I'm pretty sure Madoka would not be okay with anything Homura is doing right now.
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nothing new on the Madoka Gaiden rumor? Could it be something they announce during the event (how long is it)?
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>>2146863
>I will conveniently ignore that Sayaka improved in character growth and strength to make a point
I just thought the way they "fixed" her issues and developed her was lazy. They just took Madoka's final moments of existence when she saw what Homura had done for her and applied them to Sayaka. Madoka was already pure, but it was asking a bit much to not only erase all of Sayaka's flaws but give her a level of Madokami insight.
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>>2146882
She fixed Sayaka's Witch curse by turning it into a Stand. The rest was just Sayaka gaining the insight of the multiple timeloops and learning from her mistakes.

There's nothing lazy about it, and it fits with Madoka wanting to protect the person who's protected her this whole time. The whole series is about power of friendship and how it affects the characters (both positively and negatively).

The true victor against Homura is the one who manages to talk her out of her actions, not who can match up to her on a power basis.
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>>2146878
That's Madoka's perspective on it and is 100% correct. The question was what does Sayaka, at the end of Rebellion, believe she is saving Madoka from? A power hungry, universe destroying devil. A role that Homura is playing the fuck out of because that's exactly what Sayaka wants to stand against.
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>>2146892
but that's also what Homura IS.

Even if it's a ruse, is Sayaka NOT supposed to do anything?
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>>2146861
>>2146892

There are two story tropes I hate more than anything:

>I was just pretending to be evil because reasons

>I was an imposter the whole time

Fuck this series if they pull either of those.
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>>2146891
>There's nothing lazy about it,
It's incredibly lazy.

>Madoka wanting to protect the person who's protected her this whole time.
It was tied to Madoka not wanting to cancel out Sayaka's wish, not as a reward for being her friend. It happens to every magical girl, considering Nagisa's existence.

> The whole series is about power of friendship and how it affects the characters
It really isn't. It's about how the characters react to trauma. Friendship is an important theme between Sayaka and Madoka, but it's not present anywhere else outside of Madoka and Homura's coded language.

>>2146893
Homura isn't power hungry or out to destroy the universe. She literally has one goal.
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>>2146894
But Homura isn't evil, she just thinks she is.
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>>2146894
>There are two story tropes I hate more than anything:
>I was just pretending to be evil because reasons
> The world might see her as evil, but I wanted it to be clear that she was just doing her best. That was what I focused on the most.
>Rebellion Material Book

That's already confirmed. They re-record the lines just so you could feel the doubt in Homura's voice when she was giving her villain spiel. Homura calls herself evil because she opposes Madoka's wish. She calls herself the devil because that's what a being that challenges god's order should be called. Was that not obvious to you? There's not even a villain proper in this series.
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Am I the only one who wants to actually hear what Madoka thinks on the issue or are people cool with Sayaka and Homura telling the protagonist of the series what is good for her?

Also

>Junko: "All you have to do is make a mistake for her. Somebody has to be in the wrong to balance out her need to be in the right."
>Madoka: "Do something wrong?"
>Junko: "Tell a white lie, or run away from something scary. Sometimes you realize that was actually the best choice in the end. Sometimes when you hit a dead end with no real alternatives, making a big mistake is an option."
>Madoka: "But do you think she'll understand that I'm doing it for her own good?"
>Junko: "She may or may not. Especially at first. I told you it might not be the nicest way to do it. But would you rather give up on her, or give her the wrong idea about you?"

Homura's just balancing out Madoka's need to be the one to sacrifice herself.
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>>2146906
I just want Madoka to slap some sense into everybody. Tell them off like the children they're acting like then drag Homura off into the bedroom.
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>>2146906
>Am I the only one who wants to actually hear what Madoka thinks on the issue or are people cool with Sayaka and Homura telling the protagonist of the series what is good for her?
No. I think Madoka's opinion on all of this is the only one that really matters.
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>>2146853
It's likely the dream Homura was having in the hill. Being both able to watch Madoka be a normal happy girl and to be loved by Madoka is undoubtably Homura's greatest desire. She believes she can only have one of those and we know which one she picked. Two Homuras would make sense. If we keep the idea that Homura is the villain and the hero of Rebellion, two Homuras would indicate her subconscious is still battling itself. Homura will have to decide whether she wants to be Madoka's Siegfried who gains redemption and the eternal love of Odette or Madoka's Rothsbart who will forever keep her imprisonwi to fulfill his own desires.
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I'm sorry :^)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-IUdteZTbs
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>>2146300
I feel like that's not entirely fair. Sure, Rebellion can't stand on its own, it only works as a sequel to the TV series, but what it brought to the franchise thematically was a significant addition. A disappointing resolution would certainly taint its image, but Rebellion itself established a lot of potential that could have been very well done. I would certainly not blame Rebellion for the faults of the new project.

>>2146334
What killed it for me was the fact that it basically invalidates the spirit of Madoka's wish at the end of the series. Apparently it's a crapshoot whether or not you're saved by the Law of Cycles because if wraiths get you, they can drain all of your emotions, including despair, which thereby prevents you from turning into a witch, so that the Law of Cycles cannot come for your soul. So it's 50/50 between getting lobotomized and turned into a vegetable, or being taken by the Law of Cycles.

A major part of Rebellion's brilliance is the moral ambiguity of AI YO-- she's neither right nor wrong in her actions. There are three parts to this. With some simplification, it's something like this:
For questionable reasons (flower field, her own wish being invalidated, threat of Kyubey, etc.), Homura commits an evil deed (usurps Madoka) for a good result (normal lives for all magical girls), thus making the whole thing morally gray. Wraith Arc presents Madoka's wish as a fuckup, thereby almost completely legitimizing Homura's reasons for overthrowing the Law of Cycles, detracting from the sense of moral ambiguity. I would have liked Wraith Arc to present a deeper understanding of Homura's rationale, but it goes too far to the point of overjustifying her.

And then on top of that, it still makes no sense how the wraiths have attained Homura's time magic, to the point of manifesting her shield, which would suggest that they could turn back time, which would lead to no end of plot holes.
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>>2147000
Moreover, after Homura asked Majuuka to "save her from being a magical girl" (that is, lobotomize her), she was somehow awoken from her catatonic state while Majuuka was battling Wraithpurgisnacht, with no apparent mechanism for her emotions and consciousness to be returned to her.
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>>2147000
>Wraith Arc presents Madoka's wish as a fuckup, thereby almost completely legitimizing Homura's reasons for overthrowing the Law of Cycles, detracting from the sense of moral ambiguity. I would have liked Wraith Arc to present a deeper understanding of Homura's rationale, but it goes too far to the point of overjustifying her.

Agreed on this. A big strength of Rebellion was how personal it was to Homura and how you're seeing her come to make the climactic decision. The Broken Nutcracker is great imagery because it highlights exactly how Homura feels: a broken hero with no purpose whose wish was invalidated. But this is what she feels, not what she is. Wraith Arc takes Homura's crippled self-image and makes it literal. She is targeted by Wraiths because she is an anomoly that appeared out of nowhere. Her existence is something that should be discarded. This excuses a major aspect of Homura's flaws in Rebellion: instead of a girl who refused to move on and put the past behind her, the universe's self-regulating system has outright told her that there is no escaping this: her existence is treated as something to be eliminated.

On the wish end, it's no longer a case of her invalidated wish causing the existential crisis of a girl who idolized and loved someone who is now gone despite her best efforts to save her: the wish's invalidation essentially mean Homura had no chance to be saved once she began questioning herself. And a significant reason for her questioning herself is the initial soul rape she experiences at the hands of the wraiths. These were horrendous consequence that are way too closely tied to Madoka's wish for comfort.

Madoka's wish now went from unintentionally invalidating Homura's purpose (which Madoka likely understood and regretted) to sadistically spitting on her existence.

This not even including the implications of other girls being meguca in Madoka marginally (and I mean by the razoriest margins) better universe.
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>>2143575
I've finished uploading all of the doujins linked within the last two threads to sadpanda.

If you have anything else to release in the future, go ahead and link them here (I'll be lurking these threads).

In other news, my new scanner is set up, so I'll be ready to do some more Madoka scans, hopefully soon.
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>>2147123
It really make things nonsensical. So what, Madoka is just going to accept that she botched her wish and just hope for the best that too many magical girls don't get lobotomized? Or is this lending credence to the crack theory that Madoka intended Homura to go AI YO on her so that the universe would be rewritten for the better? Madoka may not be stupid, but that kind of keikakumaster-level bullshit would be awfully out of character for her.
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>>2147518
Not to an omnipresent goddess, maybe she saw a solution about the wraiths and it involves Homura, not just her AI YO, but something more.
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>>2146270
Wraith Arc to Madoka Magica franchise is like Portable Ops to Metal Gear franchise: events in it definitely happened, just not in the way they are depicted in the game/manga.
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>>2147518
>So what, Madoka is just going to accept that she botched her wish and just hope for the best that too many magical girls don't get lobotomized?
Assuming wraiths are an issues (and it appears they will be), she couldn't really do anything about it. She was a concept incapable of interaction. She's been given a chance to now correct some of her own failings from the series. It might be addressed, but it definitely feels like something forced.

>Or is this lending credence to the crack theory that Madoka intended Homura to go AI YO on her so that the universe would be rewritten for the better?
Them making up and making something better would be pulling out happiness in the face of tragedy between Rebellion's ending and any other future project. I'd be pretty pissed if it was all pre-planned because it's obvious Homura or any of the other girls were in on this plan.

>Madoka may not be stupid, but that kind of keikakumaster-level bullshit would be awfully out of character for her.
Yeah, Madoka is self-sacrificing. It'd be terribly OOC to essentially use Homura as a means to rectify her own failed wish. Even if she knew Homura would do it for her in a heart beat, she'd never do something that would place Homu's existence at risk like that.

Pic unrelated.
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>>2147531
>maybe she saw a solution about the wraiths and it involves Homura, not just her AI YO, but something more.

Not that anon, but the issue there is Madoka acting pragmatically like that would be incredibly out of character. On that end, I do think it's likely that Homura will be essential in solving the wraith issue, if not entropy issue in general, but it wasn't necessarily foretold.
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>>2146957
>Nagisa confirmed for badass
9/11
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>>2147518
>>2147531
Considering that part of Episode 12, which shows that Madoka does not quite know what will happen with Homura (especially when using the word maybe) is more likely that he could not predict the ripple effect of putting Homura in the new world. In a way this equivalent to saying that Madoka could well calculate the effect the beating of wings of the smallest butterfly in the world, but is unable to predict the effect of the asteroid that helped the extinction of the dinosaurs.

Homura:
Madoka...
Is that what you want, even if I don't remember you ever again?
How am I gonna know you're there when I can't even feel you're standing next to me anymore?

Madoka:
Uh-uh.
It's a little soon to be giving up hope.
You managed to follow me all the way out here, didn't you?
Besides, even though you're going back to your world, maybe you'll still remember me.
I mean you never know, right.
You'll see, everything will be fine.
Just believe.

Homura:
Madoka...

Madoka:
We are magical girls, remember?
We make hopes and dreams come true.
They might not happen all the time, but there's no doubt miracles can really happen.
Don't you think?

Homura:
Madoka! Please don't go!

Madoka:
Sorry.
I've gotta go meet the others now.
I don't know when, but I will see you again, Homura.
Promise.
So, until then, take care of yourself, okay?

Homura:
Madoka!!

An interesting thing is that Tart Vol 3 universal rule that the fulfillment of a wish on another magical girl increases its potential, even if she has already made a contract. This means that the wish of Homura is most extreme case of this rule, because of repeatability.
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>>2147787
Apologies I wrote wrong is not "he" is "she.
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I am starting to really like the idea of these two...
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>>2147790
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>>2147790
Sayaka's mouth looks wrong.
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>still believing in Rebellion's sequel
There is literally zero evidence that they are making more than this concept movie. We got same things a year ago and nothing new from there.
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>>2147797
Fuck off.
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Sounds like the Gaiden thing was just a smartphone game announcement. Typical.

Any chance there will be an announcement on the last day of the exhibit?
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>>2147787
is that from Tart vol3?
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>>2147790
>>2147791
Shipping Homura with anyone really is just wrong on so many levels.
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>>2147792
That's just that artists style goes for wide mouths for some reason.
>>2147825
Aesthetically they look good together, but there is no other basis for it outside of that.
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>>2147790
Keep it to yourself.
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>>2147816
Yes, better explaining the context, the father of Melissa and Tart were seriously injured by a magical girl archer, forcing Melissa to make the contract to save their lives.

An interesting implication is that the most powerful magical girls are not necessarily those that have great natural potential, but rather those that motivate and inspire other girls to make sacrifices for them. Theoretically a girl who made a wish like Kyouko but affecting her, could acquire great power to convince other girls to make wishes on her.

Another implication is that the Wraith will prevent any magical girl to reach the level of power of Madoka, eliminating them reach a critical level of power to avoid any reality break. But they only work if the magic girl is getting power, not when the magical girl already have power as was the case with Homura.
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>>2147842
>shipping her with anyone is creepy.
You wanna take this outside, sis?
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>>2147839

Fuck you.

Black and Blue is awesome and we need more of it.
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>>2147842
>Homura is all kinds of bad and shipping her with anyone is creepy.
Get the fuck out Charlie.
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Looks like False flag Homuhater is at it again.
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>>2147842
Why are you still here?
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>>2147849
It's a wonder he is still at it after so long.
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>>2147787
>>2147841
is there a link for vol3?
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>>2147841
>Another implication is that the Wraith will prevent any magical girl to reach the level of power of Madoka, eliminating them reach a critical level of power to avoid any reality break. But they only work if the magic girl is getting power, not when the magical girl already have power as was the case with Homura.
Fucking balancefags. Even in the case of Homura, they immediately realized there was an issue and went after her, so you're probably right on wraiths targeting girls who would attempt to throw karmic destiny off balance in Madoverse.
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>>2147854
https://amzn.com/0316276243
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>>2147841
sounds like anyone could replace goddoka that way before madoka's timeline
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>>2147858
It'd probably require more girls than possibly available. The Tart stuff sounds like it gives a girl a boost in power, whereas Madoka's karmic potential was essentially multiplying by having entire timelines converge on her.
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>>2147844
Strange pairing, but I've got you covered.
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>>2147850 >>2147849 >>2147843
At last mod kill it. /u/ is fluffy and all pest should be removed immediately. Next time they appear just ignore and report
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>>2147844
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First the Luminous figure and now this. The figure makers are really emphasizing the Homubutt.
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>>2147858
Goddoka happens when there are literally billions of humans, which means that there are more magical girls alive than ever.

It's highly unlikely that anyone can reach Goddoka level in the past, where humans are few and magical girl drama were low-energy.
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>>2147884
Counterpoint: there are more active megucas in Tart than any other series. Warfare breeds suffering and they were more active and open in the past. Tart's strength is already S class, but she isn't by any means a god. She'd probably become a very powerful witch, but this is likely why she will likely chose to be burned at the stake.
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>>2147787
If we consider Madoka as an omnipresent being, but not omniscient, we can assume that she sees everything, however her mind is unable to grasp/interpret it.
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>>2144021
>implying it's not canon
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>>2147787
>>2147924
Omnipresent is definitely a better word. She said she doesn't know if Homura will remember her. She's not a mind reader and Homura has yet to be dropped into the new universe, but she has existed in previous ones where Madoka existed. She said they would see each other again, but she doesn't know when. The events of Rebellion take place in a realm that is hidden from Madokami's presence (isolation field) and it's assumed Homucifer's world functions on a similar principle, what with the window (a homophone for Madoka) being tied shut. If she is unable to be present at a location, than she is unable to see it. That all strongly points to her being omnipresent.
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>>2147844
I wanna see them hate fuck
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>>2146040
HomuSaya would be fun though. I agree for MadoSaya and MadoKyou.
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I usually like my KyouSaya with more edge but fluff is good too sometimes
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>>2148060
I don't ship usually ship them, but that is a sexy pic.
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Homura and Sayaka make no sense together.
It's just "these two don't like each other so lets pair them up".
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>>2148108
They are inverses to each other in a lot of sexual aspects, which tends to work (for me at least).
>Flat chest looks great against a big one
>Conservative girl with a touchy feely girl is cute
>Black compliments blue very well

It requires taking who they actually are from the series out of the equation and looking at them superficially, but I think thats the people who ship them.
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>>2148108
They don't get along and that friction makes for some interesting scenarios compared to pairings that are generally depicted as being happy.

It's actually more common in fan fiction than you'd think. The tvtropes term for it is FoeYay
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>>2148080
Some laid-back fluff can be real great.
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>>2148108
Their excuse is different dynamics/scenarios but what people fail to understand is that it could be done platonically.
Shipping shouldn't be forced into everything. This franchise isn't Love Live! where basically almost every charcater dynamic is pandering to shippers.
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>>2148119
Aesthetically, Mami Homu does those better. It even has basis in Kirara Magica. HomuSaya is terrible all the way around.
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>>2148165
Well sis, that's your opinion and I respect you for having it.
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>sudden HomuSaya spam is all a single anon
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>>2148108

There is a big difference between liking sexy and cute art and fan stories and comics of something and wanting it to happen in the anime. I don't want HomuSaya to happen in the anime but in doujin and other things it can be really fun and interesting.

The characters have a lot of similarities but also a lot of friction which makes for an interesting dynamic. Their interaction in Rebellion is especially interesting as they come to understand but oppose each other, you can do the hatesex/enemyshipping thing where Akuma Homura is mind raping Sayaka or it can be cute and fluffy.

Lots of people pair up characters who have never met or are crossovers just for fun and this can be like that, although there is also more meat to it in this case.

I find some thoughts among American Madoka fans kind of strange and that people seem confused by shipping just for the hell of it while in Japanese fandom and other fandoms this is really common and for things that make less "sense" than HomuSaya.

For the canon I am a MadoHomu and KyoSaya fan and I like fan works of them too but I also like several other pairings and this is one.
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>>2148176
Well said
MamiKyo is forever best crack ship for me. Rambunctious Kyoko has her senpai/lover to keep her in line, and also cook her awesome cakes. Plus their history together from TDS makes for deep emotional roots.
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>>2148183
>MamiKyo

this is a good ship and you should feel good.
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Sayaka and Kyoko are cute, but Kyoko is in need of more stability than Sayaka would be able to offer her.
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>>2148188
Kyouko's plenty happy with Sayaka.
She's not interested in Nagisa's cheese cake.
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>>2148188
Sayaka will protect her
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>>2148171
Add a KyouMami to that too.
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>>2148189
>>2148190
They are just fine as friends, and I'm sure they can offer each other a lot with that relationship. However, Kyoko is damaged in a lot of way and Sayaka has a lot of issues of her own. Mami serves as a much more sturdy support for her.
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>>2148195
Sayaka & Kyouko could just support eachother & go by step by step. Despite formerly being a slacker, Sayaka's striving to improve herself in school so that she could push Kyouko to do the same. While Kyouko could teach Sayaka to fight for her ideals without losing herself to them. Kyouko & Sayaka really bring out the best in each other.
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>>2148201
I can't think of anything to say because that is such a sweet scenario. <3
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>>2148188
mami is the best person to balance out kyoko. they are such opposite of each other like madohomu.
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>>2148195
this x100000. tds was such a great proof for kyoko and mami's relationship.
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>>2147813
I find it good, it's been a while since the mobage game and PMMM online
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>>2148165
Yeah but Saya Homu share feelings towards Madoka. One is a childhood friend and the another the reason she became meguca
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>>2148195
>Mami serves as a much more sturdy support for her.
>Mami snapped and killed Kyoko when she discovered the truth about witches
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>>2148307
But if magical girls turn into witches then they all have to die, right?
.....

.......

........

............right?
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>Notes of [Sealed-Sayaka] on Concept Movie's image board:

>1) Sayaka’s full face, wrapped by a veil.
>2) Her hair clip, ff changes into pp.
>3) Finger bones (like small poles, sticked on her cape).
>4) Decorated arm bone (same as above, bigger ones).
>5) The gems (around Sayaka) aren’t like crystals, but like cutting gem stones.
>6) Needles pin her shadow (around the legs).

>These notes was added after the movie type-B came out, so they don't appear on BD version as well. Or I can say, event only.

>Another note (from viewers): Sayaka on that scene, seems like she doesn't have her arms...
Uh oh...
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>>2148321
>Sayaka
>Suffering
Gee, who saw that coming? It's viewer interpretation of concept material. Considering Sayaka appears in multiple pieces of material with her arms attached, I'm willing to take an educated guess and say it's her realizing her imprisonment within Homura's world (disarmed and muzzled) considering the chains and stuff. I highly doubt there'd be a point in cutting off Sayaka's arms outside of just being edgy.
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>>2144021
My OTP.
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>>2148307
because she didn't want them to suffer and it shows that kyouko was her main concern that's why she shot her first.

otoh, sayaka is busy being such a whiny bitch as per usual.
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>>2148301
madosaya could have happened if it weren't for homura. sayaka was like madoka's knight ever since they were children.
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>>2148390
>madosaya could have happened if it weren't for homura.

Without Homura, Madoka is dead and Sayaka is a fan of the dick.
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Along with the clickty clack noises in the video, I'm pretty sure this isesome sort of doll. If you look at Devil Homura, it also has the same style eyes. Just like splitting Madoka from the Law of Cycles is likely to have negative consequences, attempting to split Homura from the devil likely has consequences. If Homura is love, then removing love from the devil would just leave unbridled hate.
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>>2148544
>Sayaka is a fan of the dick
And it's something wrong with Sayaka loving a man?
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>>2148796
Bisexuality isn't a thing, anon.
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>>2148544
Doesn't she die too?

I mean even with Homura there she dies in every timeline.
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New thread?
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>>2148911
Anon said MadoSaya would have happened if Homura wasn't there. I said it was factually incorrect because Madoka would be dead and her bestie would be lusting after Violenboy. Without Homura, Madoka would be a corpse. With Homura, she is at least an all seeing lesbian goddess and lives as a repressed lesbian goddess with her parents because she's having a spat with her girlfriend.
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Anons in this thread have torn apart the meaning of Crack ship worse than Homu tore Madoka from the Law of Cycles.
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>>2149252

I agree that none of them are really crack ships, not canon ship doesn't equal crack ship. But the term isn't very well defined. I've seen it said that "crack ship" only applies to crossover pairings and at most that once two characters have interacted in any way it is no longer a crack ship. In most of these cases there is some sort of relationship there such as friendship so it's not really "crack," you could argue only something like Nagisa and Hitomi together is crack since they've never met.
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damn this franchise need to evolve
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxvYZetC6tE
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Bowmura and Hommando.
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>>2149291
>Needs to evolve
This franchise needs to end.
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Concept movie seems to be more of a bunch of random ideas thrown into animation rather than any kind of cohesive story idea.

Just look at Sayaka, she's imprisoned, laying in Walpurgisland with stuff/Oktavia coming out of her, fighting alongside Mami, in an elevator with Homura, and pointing a broken sword at Bowmura in a library.

At least they got their priorities straight with Madoka, being gay with Homura.
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>>2149475
Well, that is what a concept movie is.

I've got this story board piece from Twitter. Looks like we have 3 sides: Madoka, Homura, and "Last Side". Among other things it says there are three major relationships and the irony is that Homura only became friends with Madoka due to "Last Side". It's Kyubey. I know their showing Mami a lot, but it's fucking Kyubey.
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>>2149406
From the shadow, the girl with gun has short hair. I would bet Mami or Sayaka.
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>>2149480
I better one would be Mami, since they're the original trio. A more cruel one would be Sayaka, but I guess she won't forget that Homura is a devil.
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>>2149494
Kyubey has technology to isolate the powers of a god-like entity. Trusting him would involve Madoka putting herself at extreme risk. Considering we have Madoka with a new dress/contract and that Kyubey is eying her and his face is plastered all over the screen, I think it's pretty safe to say it's him.
>Are you going to help me Fairy?
Kyubey's name in all other concept material and even some manga is Fairy.

I'm not doubting Sayaka and Mami will play a major role, but in the context of the franchise, Madoka, Homura, and Kyubey play by far the most important in the series.
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>>2149507
Being a fan of Kyouko is pretty suffering at the moment.
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>>2149507
Kyubey being the final villain has been the most obvious plot direction since Rebellion. I wouldn't be surprised if he tricks everyone into stopping Homura only for it to be revealed Homura was the true good all along.
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>>2149511
I don't see any scenario that isn't Kyouko sacrificing herself to free Sayaka so she can go on to face Homura.
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>>2149511
I completely agree. Her development isstrongly tied to Sayaka though, so I doibt she'll be left out. It looks like she's going to get some good action scenes.
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>>2149511
Her character arc has already been concluded since the series. Not much to do with her but play a supporting character role.
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>>2149514
There are a large amount of people who don't believe he's going to mount a comeback.
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>>2149520
There's also people who believe Sayaka won't have a role at all.

A lot of the community can be pig-headedly close-minded to ignore what would make the most sense in the narrative in place of their headcanon being affected.

There's a meta joke in there somewhere with how Homura reset the status quo to get Madoka back.
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>>2149520
There's a large amount of people who don't believe there's any yuri in Madoka as well. The Madoka fanbase is full of idiots like >>2149521 says.
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>>2149480
REVISION: IDEA PLANNING
On the axis of three connected people ['s relationships]

>Madoka side:

[§1]

…HOMURA-chan…

…HOMURA…

[§2]
The Last … to Madoka … Homura obstructs.

The first…HOMURA [does something with it]…

…it seems that [something was]…

The Last…a strange person but not a bad person?
Why does HOMURA-chan hate them so much?

[Madoka] wants to get along with the Last but

[Why is?] The Last is always cheerful…
The eyes it watches me with are empty…so it's…

Wonder if I shouldn't…

>Homura side
[§1]
Homura…tells a lie.
And every time she does Madoka is sad.

[§2] Die. [arrow pointing to Last Side §2]

[3§]
Ironically thanks to the Last Madoka and Homura become friends/get along.



Don't tell such worthless lies!
[arrow protruding from Madoka Side §2, arrow to Last Side §3]

>Last Side

[§1]

[§2] You are the one that should die.

[§3]
…isn't…

She's Margarita. [arrow from Homura §3]
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>>2149543
So Kyubey is trying to turn Madoka against Homura again. That's pretty boring.
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>>2149543
Oh, I made a small error. It should be Margerete, not Margarita.
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>>2149543
Oh, I made a small error. It should be Margerete, not Margarita.
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>>2149552
Hm. Faust stuff coming back?
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>>2149545
It's pretty expected and the only thing that has significant long term consequences. If he turns Madoka against her, he wins against both of them: Homura loses Madoka for eternity and he can go back to trying to collect dat sweet LoC enegry.

It could also be Sayaka, but I can't see her bringing Madoka and Homura together or being a reason they get along. We also see Kyubey's empty eyes watching both Madoka and the viewer.

>>2149553
>Faust stuff coming back
>Swan Lake
>Tragic stories where the male roles believe they've lost love and salvation eternally only to be saved by the reciprocated love of their object of affection
I'm not at all surprised.
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I would have hoped Kyubey remained BTFO for this installment. It would take away focus from the ideological conflict between Madoka and Homura, the resolution of which interests me the most.
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>>2149543
>Homura literally just needs to stop lying to Madoka and be completely honest about the situation and Madoka needs to take what Homura's request seriously

Sounds easy en...

>Consistent theme between them is their poor communication, not listening to each others warnings, and not working as equal partners

I take that back, it's going to be the hardest thing either have ever done.
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>>2149696
There will be one for sure, it's just likely not going to be in the form of them pounding on each other. The fact Homura is hurting Madoka despite her best efforts to make her happy are already a sign of a major emotional conflict at the very least. Defeating Kyubitch and what ever his end game is will require them to overcoming their own person conflict first.
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>>2149709
>There will be one for sure, it's just likely not going to be in the form of them pounding on each other.
Obviously, but my hope would that this would be the climax of this new installment, rather than introducing some other conflict.
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>>2149792
Yeah, I generally feel the same way. I never liked the idea of a Homura v. Sayaka over the fate of Madoka storyline because I always felt it had to be between them.

Kyubey being on the interpersonal relationship axis and most likely being a final boss doesn't change the fact that Madoka and Homura can't end this story without addressing the elephant in the room. So at least we have that.
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>>2149818
A proper finale should be all the characters advancing each other's story to the finish line.

-Kyouko sacrifices herself to free Sayaka

-Sayaka faces off against Homura, loses or makes her own sacrifice. Madoka gets her memories back.

-Madoka and Homura face off, leads to a standstil/draw

-Kyubey takes advantage while the two are at their weakest

-????

-Happy End
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I'm still wondering if they'll let us know if it's a movie or season. Season, they'd have more time to focus on side plots going on and do whatever they want. If it's a movie, well then it's probably going to be 1-1 1/2 hours of MadoHomu drama with the rest taken up with appearances by the other girls based on this triangle relationship.
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>>2150081
Really hoping it's a season.

The bits they've shown look like it would be too busy to fit into one movie without compromise. I want to make sure every character gets equal billing and time before the story wraps up for good.

Totally fine with the new story being a season and the conclusion being a movie, though.
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>>2150084
Mami, Nagisa, Wraiths, and even Hitomi are expected to have important roles. Which all make me really uncomfortable from the writing I've seen from Wraith Arc.
>Last is some sort of residual MadoWraith
>Hitomi goes gay for Homura PSP style
>Mami and Nagisa being relevant at all

General
Apparently this is a sketch of a sketch done for the Monogatari Madoka crossover. Queen and queen ruling over the universe!
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>>2149514
>I wouldn't be surprised if he tricks everyone into stopping Homura only for it to be revealed Homura was the true good all along.

In the same way that the world was literally destroyed whenever Homura broke her promise by allowing Madoka to make a wish, the Law of Cycles will be destroyed if Madoka breaks her promise to never abandon Homura regardless of what happens. And all of her friends, Kyubey, and even Homura herself will be directly or indirectly pushing her to break that promise.
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>>2150095
>Mami, Nagisa, Wraiths, and even Hitomi are expected to have important roles. Which all make me really uncomfortable from the writing I've seen from Wraith Arc.
Thankfully the person writing the Wraith arc isn't involved in the writing, as far as I'm aware. Aren't they not part of the main team?
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>>2150147
>Aren't they not part of the main team?
Mami and Nagisa, yes. Hitomi's role is up in the air. The Wraiths throw a major curve ball in the mix, but at the same time, the Wraiths were always there to begin with so I can't really say anything.
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>>2150147
No. The wraith arc is written by the guy that adapted the series into comic format.
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I heard that it was Hiramatsu who created the concepts for the wraith arc and Hanokage adapted it to manga form. Either way I'm quite sure that they won't be writing for the new project.
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>>2150147
>Thankfully the person writing the Wraith arc isn't involved in the writing

Madoka has a new outfit. It's possible she made a new contract. That's straight out of Kazumi Magica (((Worrying intensifies))).

>>2150187
It's odd how Wraith Arc is such a mess while TDS is up there with the series. It's likely why they dropped the original idea in favor of Rebellion.
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>>2150207
At this point, I would have hoped they realized it, and not even attempt to make Wraith Arc into a canonical transition into Rebellion, but rather its own sequel. At least then it keeps the main canon clean.
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>>2150227
The only thing Im taking from it are how Wraiths operate. Which was likely the goal overall. But the writing and logic of the story is so poor that I can't even do the usual "interactions are canon, events are not".
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>>2150207
I think a big part of why TDS was so good is that it was happy to function within the mechanics that were already established by the series. TDS didn't introduce new mechanisms to justify character behavior; it just showed us one way things might play out by letting the characters act according to their own knowledge and motivations. Most of my major problems with The Wraith Arc and Kazumi stem from Hiramatsu introducing some new mechanic without thinking through the implications or properly checking for consistency with how things work in canon.
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>>2149545
Yeah, it sounds boring. The third entity isn't even given a name. Even if it's not Kyubey, the side itself is just a plot device with some vague characteristics. Madoka's going to end up siding with Last initially because of Homura's inability to be honest with her. Que tragic rollar coaster that climaxes on a joint declaration of AI YO and an eternal reunion in death.
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>>2150304
I doubt they'll die, they'll probably merge together or become celestial king (female) and queen. I do expect a kiss eventually, or else Homura's entire story goes for naught.
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>>2150351
Yeah, I should have added "reunion in death in whatever form that takes." To me, concepthood is equivilent to death because it takes them out of the physical plane of existence. I'm hoping she gets a kissu, but I will be happy as long as Madoka tells her she loves her.
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>>2150351
Also, I'm seeing it on a similar level as Sayaka and Nagisa. Once they embraced and accepted their witches, they became one with them. Once Madoka and Homura embrace and accept each other, they'll likely become one being with two equal parts in a similar manner.
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>>2150353
I think they'll have plenty of time to kiss, and more, in the end.
Homura gained the power to create worlds as a demi-witch, which she is now using to alter the physical universe as a goddess (or devil).
So while Madoka can take the souls of magical girls before they become witches, Homura can give them an actual Yuri Valhalla to live in for eternity.
At least that's what I think.
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>>2150383
I'm trying to have my expectations low for fear of being BTFO, but I don't even see a problem with this. We already had confirmation from Rebellion and the concept movie that heaven sucks.
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>>2149475
Is this image from the concept movie? The girl is cute, and I like the sowing concept
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>>2150072
What about Mami though? She just sips tea and watches her companions die in confict that could be resolved by communication?
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Hope no one minds me dropping in to show off my collection.

These are all of my MamiKyo books not counting the ones I have already scanned and posted myself.
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And this is the books from the previous picture stacked up and put next to another stack of Madoka books consisting of varying themes and pairings.

This is not counting books I have already scanned or debinded, and also a small stack of books that turned out to be futa or het, which I'd like to get rid of.
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>>2150428
Scan the MamiKyouSaya one!
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>>2147790
Same
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>>2148060
We all do
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>>2150423
Suggesting Mami will have an important roll is anathema to most head canons.
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>>2143122
We need to clean up the OP pasta, two of the three doujinshi archives are lost and yurihou is long dead.
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>>2150428
I didn't realize these were actual books
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>>2150480

. . .You should feel ashamed of yourself.

The way I do for still laughing at that joke, in spite of how often I've seen it, or variations of it.
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>>2150482
Wow,
I know I've been gone a while but I didn't realize just how dead this thread became.
>Most of the links don't work, all the scanners and translators are gone aside from one or two independents who put some stuff up on sad panda
>Lots of missing doujins and magazine volumes
>General confusion from a group that apparently tried to recover things but died out

Jesus.

If it helps I stored most of the Myama Anti-materials from when Kirara was still being scanned on a portable hard drive. 1-5 are english while 6-14 are RAW. I'm pretty sure the group scanners/tls (who I can't remember their names anymore) stopped there.

>tfw was really looking forward to Tart right when everything started to die

Is Silver Garden still alive?
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>>2150486
It's a meme that will never disappear from the fan base. I really don't mind Titty Tomoe getting screen time. I just hope she helps resolve the underlying problem and not exacerbate it beyond repair.

I forget where I read it, but Homura's devil wings repel long range weapons. That's likely why she has the swords.
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>>2150489
>Anti-Materials in English
C-could you post 4 and 5?
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>>2150490
Her witchy wings certainly deflected the wraith beams in the episode 12 stinger.
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>>2150494
My biggest issue with Wraith Arc is that she will most likely be using Black Wings of Corrosion in the final chapter. It's too good for that manga.
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>>2150491
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/638ebbqr3px6f/Anti-Materials
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>>2150495
If it looks cool than it is cool, sis.

Tranquilo.
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>>2150496
Thanks a bunch! I'm so glad Quartet caters to both my main ship and crackship.
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>>2150498
*then, fuck
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>>2149551
Margarita is fine too, since that's just an alternate pronounciation/transliteration of the girl Faust pumps and dumps in the Goethe work (which InuCurry threw up references to all over the place in MadoMagi). Bulgakov's version of the Faust story is called The Master and Margarita, for example.

Also of note: Madoka's Witch form is named Gretchen, the corrupted diminutive of Margerete in German.
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>>2150569
>Hey, do the world a favor and stab yourself in the throat.
Can you reframe from using these kinds of terms? It is quite unpleasant to read. We all need to work together to make these threads fun and safe for all :)
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>>2150512
>Bulgakov
>Last: She is Margarita
>Homura: "Stop telling worthless lies!"

Last claims to be Margarita, here to liberate her Master. Homura calls Last a liar because of course she would. We know though that Madoka is the true Margarita/Gretchen though. The devil gave Margarita one wish, which was selfless, and then offered her a second wish that she could use to grant a selfish desire. She used that wish to spend eternity with the Master in a place that was neither heaven nor hell.

I really hope we don't get some weird love triangle.
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>>2150721
The ships are pretty set in stone. If there's a triangle, someone is actively trying to turn Madoka against Homura or it's the conflict between Madoka's obligation and personal desire.
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>>2150721
Majuuka gonna get her NTR on, kek.
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>>2150982
>Homura cheats on Madoka with Majuuka
>Forgiven by Madoka
>Aiyo
>Homura cheats on Madoka with Majuuka
>AGAIN
Homura just can't stop pushing her luck.
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>>2150095
>Full moon
>Not sun and moon
I always assumed it was a moon and sun kind of thing like Chikane and Himeko. But if this is from Madogatari, I just realized that their motif there is... a Luminous moon.
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>>2150995
>Madoka forgiving the NTR
If the omake is to be believed Madoka was sitting back and schlicking to it. Another reason I hate wraith arc, I don't see Madoka as being like that, nor do I see her watching Homura suffer that badly and being so indifferent to it.
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>>2151035
Yeah, her fan girling made no sense in the context of the story up to that point (Cp 6, I believe). Majuuka's alignment was very much up in the air at that point. That's exactly what it looked like: Madokami enjoying Homura's suffering. Madokami being angry with Sayaka and Nagisa holding her back or being passive-aggressive about Homura "cheating" on her would have made more sense at the time. Now that we know Majuuka joined the gang and wore a Madoka outfit, I think it'd be fine to have something like that (Wow, did I used to be that cool?)

Majuuka being a trap = comedy gold though.
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>>2151044
I read a doujin using exactly that premise.

It wasn't really cheating, though, Majuuka did say Homura genuinely felt nothing for her. Even still, Madoka not being upset about Homura's heart being broken directly because of her feels very wrong. I hope wraith arc is never brought into the main series.
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>>2151046
Yeah, that's why I said "cheating". It honestly made me mad at Madoka while reading the whole thing. I don't even think that's a reasonable reaction, but it's what I felt. There's really no one there for Homura. And we know this whole arc will legitimately drive her crazy. I know that is the point of the arc, but like you said, I hope we can just pretend this mess never happened.
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>>2151055
I don't see why you wouldn't be mad at Madoka. As another anon said, the arc goes to great lengths to overjustify Rebellion by portraying everything in the Wraith universe as pure shit, with the Wraiths arguably worse than witches and Homura suffering worse than ever due to new factors outside of her control. If I'm supposed to take this all as canon then Rebellion stops being complex relationship and motivation-wise and just becomes Homura was right and Madoka's wish was nothing more than a mistake-made-stepping stone or Homura was wrong but it was all Madoka's fault.
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>>2151066
>If I'm supposed to take this all as canon then Rebellion stops being complex relationship and motivation-wise and just becomes Homura was right and Madoka's wish was nothing more than a mistake-made-stepping stone or Homura was wrong but it was all Madoka's fault.

"Homura was wrong, but Madoka's world has inadequencies and Homura was alone" is what I think they meant to go for, but what I got was "Homura was right even though she was wrong and Madoka's world was hardly worth protecting and anyone who does think it was may as well just be a retarded justicefag with the inability to see the forrest for the trees."
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>>2151071
I still think both Madoka and Homura were right and changed things for the better overall, but there won't be a truly happy ending until they come together as equals. Madoka ended the cycle of witches, Homura gave everyone the chance to make their dreams come true and put Kyubey under her heel. Obviously, their love for each other is going to keep hurting them due to their contradictory ideals, and until they stop trying to do things on their own they will keep hurting.

Wraith arc just is amateurishly written and makes Madoka look awful.
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>>2151082
100% agree. And yeah, let's just pretend it never happened.
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Are there any balletfags here who can point me to a good production, viewable online, of Swan Lake?

I'd like to get ready to watch whatever is next.

I did the same with Faust and the series (although afterwards) and Paradise Lost and Rebellion
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>>2151066
That other anon here. I wouldn't say it puts Madoka at fault, per se; while it is her fuckup that causes such events, it's not like she deserves the blame due to the consequences being unforeseen and the dire situation under which she made the wish. And, presumably, she was powerless to intervene. If anything it turns Madoka from a martyr to into another victim of the uncaring universe, overriding her heroism with futility.

>If I'm supposed to take this all as canon then Rebellion stops being complex relationship and motivation-wise and just becomes Homura was right and Madoka's wish was nothing more than a mistake-made-stepping stone or Homura was wrong but it was all Madoka's fault.
Agreed 100%.

>>2151082
Speaking of stepping stones, this is what I want from the new project-- to acknowledge that Homura's AI YO was necessary for the 'good ending,' that is a conceptual MadoHomu yin-yang existence.
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>>2151091
Was it confirmed that Rebellion was based on Paradise Lost? I read the Production Note and things like that and only found references to Freud and Nietzsche
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>>2151102
I suppose less it's Madoka's fault and more it's not Homura's fault, since everything dogpiled her without any way for her to recover despite trying.

>>2151107
No. The two have completely different plot elements, God and Satan were not actually in love like Homura and Madoka are, and Satan and Homura are almost complete opposites character wise.
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>>2151107
Not really - but I like the comparison, personally. The "better to rule in hell" kind of ambition Homu tries to force herself into at the end, in order to make the best of a bad situation.
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>>2151121
Satan knows that line is bullshit, he just sticks to it due to his infinite pride. Homura is intentionally depriving herself of her girlfriend's love or any chance at a normal life with friends for what she perceives as Madoka's own good and most likely the good of others.

Satan is a cocky prick who fancies himself equal to God and refuses to kneel to Adam. If anything Homura fancies herself less than everyone else, only good to suffer for Madoka.
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>>2151125
Not that anon, but in that way, Homura is doing something similar. She's not forcing a better to rule in hell, she's forcing a "if I have to be your enemy for you to be happy, so be it" and she wont let up because like you said, her existance is only good for suffering for Madoka. But I think much of the PL references relate to Kyubey's own arrogance in taking on a god. While Homura has undergone her transformation, she acts more like the Archangel Micheal casting down Satan to hell when she rekt Kyubey's shit.
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>>2151114
Yeah. Wraith Arc evokes more pity than anger in me towards Madoka, but she shouldn't be a pitiable figure-- the whole point of the TV series was for her to overcome the realization that the world around her sucked, and her heroism could improve it. I mean, it is a legitimate criticism of Madoka herself, as illustrated in Rebellion, that she (inadvertently) abandoned Homura and deprived her of her raison d'etre, but that's not something that unambiguously justifies Homura's upheaval of her system, again, ignoring Wraith Arc.
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Somehow we went from "I doubted your existence and thought I was crazy" to "I was soul raped by a wraith and even had my soul gem eaten". She's a real trooper.
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>>2151035
>Madoka was sitting back and schlicking to it
Being a concept severely limits your interaction with the world.
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>>2150351
>vampire Madoka
I never knew I needed this in my life.
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>>2148080
KAWAAAAIIIIIII! BE STILL MY HEART!
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>>2151277
Madogatari has been nothing but giving us what we never knew we needed.
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>>2151367
Personally, I'm not found how a lot of the merch has a random Kyubey tossed in. And that's one of the least flattering Moemuras I've ever seen.
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>>2151387
>a random Kyubey
It's a reminder that the suffering never ends. I personally would have preferred a the Naoetsu school uniform for a Moemura/Hanekawa crossover.
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>>2151367
Lots of Madogatari crossover stuff is cute, but vampire Madoka just takes the cake for me.

Just imagine a person like Madoka starved for blood.
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>>2151603
>Just imagine a person like Madoka starved for blood.
I imagine she'd be rather polite about it. Although it likely wouldn't be an issue, since Homura would bleed herself dry and serve it in fine glassware before Madoka got to that point.
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>>2151603
So this but with more biting and slightly less dry humping?
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I'll throw an idea out: Last is Homura, or at least a type of split existence type of thing. A manifestation of her conflicted subconscious. They mutually hate each other, but ironically Last is responsible for Madoka and Homura being friends. One lies and the other claims to be a savior. Madoka is also strangely draw to Last, with the same "strange, but not bad" vibe she had for Homura. It also fits with a running theme.
>Madoka saves Homura from a witch
>Madoka saves Homura from witchification
>Madoka saves Homura from Walpurgisnacht
>Madoka saves Homura from Kyubey

The only thing that Madoka needs to save Homura from at this point is Homura herself.
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>>2151387
It's not supposed to be flattering, sis.

Megahomu is a nebbish dork with a penchant for explosions, kleptomania and gunpowder bordering on the unhealthy. And I wouldn't have it any other way
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>>2151700
If >>2149543 has it correct with
>The Last is always cheerful
then The Last can't possibly be Homura.
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Is it okay to post AO3 links to things we've written?
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>>2151703
I'm well aware, but it's not like Moemura is inherently unfashionable.
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>>2151706
Cheerful, but looking at her with emotionless eyes. Cant find the picture, but that one with creepy shadow Homu smiling came to mind. Just speculating. Not willing to defend this.
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>>2151710
How would I know you wrote it, sis?
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>>2151721
no idea senpai
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>>2151700
>>2151719
Last Side is a plot device to get that serious MadoHomu drama brewing. They don't even have gendered pronouns. Doesn't matter who or what it is as long as Last Side and the drama they create is compelling.
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>>2151710
Yes, I'm sure it's fine.
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>>2151710
Sure, post it!
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>>2151710
Unless you're a cunt and constantly advertise, nobody really gives a fuck. So post it.
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>>2151767
>>2151766
>>2151749
http://archiveofourown.org/works/8122447

Can do! Feedback would be appreciated.
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>>2151769
It's pretty good, a bit long winded at times and you could be more generous with paragraph breaks but all in all I think it's good. Just don't fall into the trap of trying to have an impressive narrative, but end up forgetting to tell a story. For a little one shot like this, I think the style works just fine, I would try to break up those paragraphs a little more though.
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>>2151769
Reading that feels like another twist of the knife that is PMMM in general. Great job sis.

That said, what the other anon said is good advice.
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>>2151774
Long-winded is definitely something I'm prone to being, so I'll remember to break paragraphs more often when I get to writing anything else. It's hard to know exactly when to do it, sometimes. Thank you.
>>2151780
That was sort of what I was going for. A hint of fluff and then a suckerpunch. Thank you!
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>>2151310
Try to not let people know you're under 18.
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Was the Madogatari bluray uploaded anywhere yet? Do the higher-res images give us better ideas?
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>>2152267
Youtube and no. Bunch of interesting Wraith shit. Theyre going to be the wild card for sure.

One frame has a Wraith with human like features coming out. The other has three frames with a Wraith, Homura's Salamander and a book with the Law of Cycles emblem on it. Prepare for Wraith Arc 2.
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https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B02P_mK_-am1YXpjUGRfMkZVNVU

I uploaded all 29 concept art slides here.
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>>2152285
Thanks anon!
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>>2151766
>Kyouko with big tits

wew lass
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I like this simple imagery here. Madoka has nothing but light around her, people watching, and is dressed as a white swan while Homura's sitting alone behind the curtain in the dark and we know her devil dress is a gay black swan with a curtain between them. And we know the part of Madoka that knows and loves everything about her is outside of the barrier that seals Homura in a functional hell where she deprives herself of the love she needs. Great summary lf where we're at story wise.
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>>2150489
>Is Silver Garden still alive?
It really depends on your definition of alive

Wraith Arc 8 is out!

https://mega.nz/#!DwgGTK5S!97CB-pHwnUVEgM1wguYTuks1S3efYxTk9wadJLNn0e0

http://www.mediafire.com/file/w0va3k4dlx64xbx/%5BSGT%5D_Kirara_Magica_Vol_27_-_Wraith_Arc_8_%28Hanokage%29.zip
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>>2152481
http://silvergardentl.blogspot.au/2016/09/kirara-magica-volume-27-wraith-arc-8.html
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>>2152494
Yeah, okay, it's clear now Wraith Arc doesn't give a flying fuck about the canon and its established mechanics.
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What happened this time?
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>>2152355
Madoka in the light.

Homura in the dark.

Every image is so dense.

It's also really fucking funny when people think their headcanon is more valid than the actual text. It's like I'm on LiveJournal again.
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>>2152481
Well, this was dumb.

How fun.
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>>2152481
What is dead may never die!
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>>2152540
But in strange aeons, even death may die.

I am calling Megahomuhair Witch the Witch of Samsara and none of you can stop me.
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So will Madokami interfere or Homura finish it by herself?
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>>2152599
We find out next weekend.
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>>2152481
>Literally exist to bring equilibrium
Whether we like it or not, Wraiths are going to play a major role in the next project.
>>2152526
>It's like I'm on LiveJournal again.
Sorry, sis.
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http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2016/09/30/puella-pagi-madoka-magica-side-story-magia-record-smartphone-game-gets-animated-preview

>pink-hair girl and her tomboyish blue-haired protector

Not even trying with these side characters
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>>2152672
>Naive hero with light short hair
>Jaded protector with dark long hair
I'm not saying I have hopes for it, but Tart at least managed to pull it off well.
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>>2152481
I want to say this is totally irrelevant and poorly done filler to keep us busy until we get word on the next project, but I feel like there's way too much added to the canon's lore for it to be ignored completely.

>>2152599
In the context of this story, Madokami might as well not exist because she's apparently powerless to change anything beyond saying Sayaka soul in chapter 2. As the other anons were saying above, this world is so shit Madoka's sacrifice is almost pointless.
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>>2152481
So if the normal Wraiths were attempting to contain Wraithpurgisnacht-turned-witch, why were Wraith Mami and Wraith Kyoko focusing on Mami and Kyoko?
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>>2152742
They were mutant/rebelling wraiths corrupted by Homura's emotions. WA is essentially a bunch of celibate monks driven insane by dirty things Homura wants Madoka to do to her. The "good" wraith just seems to be a normal wraith who gained Homu's power without being corrupted.
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>>2152789
That is, the magical girl wraiths, with the exception of Majuuka, siding with Wraithpurgisnacht, for the goal of killing all life on Earth?
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>>2152869
Yes. Majuuka tries to explain it to Homura in chapter 6.
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>>2152869
Someone on /meduka/ pointed out that in Buddhism, one of the ways to become permanently condemned to hell is to cause a schism within the clergy through sensual temptation. Wraiths resemble monks and their stages of growth are pointed toward enlightenment. 愛 (ai,love) within the context of Buddhism is craving and desire. You do the math.
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>>2152789
>Celibate monks driven insane by Homura's lusts.

That explains the tentacles and the Megahomu braid bondage, I guess. Homura-chan is a dirty girl, doing it with everybody...No wonder her Devil outfit is so lewd.
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>>2153031
>Homura semi-canoncially seduced a bunch of with a bunch of old men
This is why Wraith Arc continues to get worse and worse. Sis please, Homura's pure. She only wants to be stepped on and dominated by her one and only. Those dirty old men are the enemy of magical girls for a reason. Just look at why sh wears that dress: she thinks grabbing her mistress's hands without asking makes her dirty whore. She. Is. Pure.
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>>2152789
If you're thinking about it that way, then it's not lust, it's despair. Homura cannot accept the world as it is without Madoka. Wraithpurgisnacht is essentially a witch born separately from Homura by absorbing her despair, and that it wants to exterminate the planet is a manifestation of her rejection of the world. Furthermore, by absorbing Homura's memories of magical girls, some wraiths were able to manifest themselves as those magical girls while also being corrupted to the point of omnicide. However, because Madoka is literally Homura's hope and her memories and love of her are so pure, Majuuka was not corrupted and instead adopted some of Madoka's personality.

That's still retarded.
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Can someone explain/translate this?

http://www.matomagi.com/archives/48560068.html
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>>2153058
>Lust
>Despair
I said emotion. Majuuka doesn't even understand what hope and curses are. It's specifically using the word emotion. Once again, they added a mechanic without think it through.
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>>2153063
Homura even says it here. That's dangerous emotion capable of over turning the universe (as Majuuka herself said).
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>>2153065
That creature was born from her wish. The wraiths were unable to eat it because that wish wasn't based in hope. It was based in love or some bullshit.
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So any idea what role Kyouko will play in this new movie? It seems to heavily focus on Sayaka, but what about Kyouko?
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>>2153068
Kyouko and Sayaka's characters are intertwined. If there's Sayaka, you'll get Kyouko. Probably.
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>>2148080
This is adorable...
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>>2153058
I get what you meant about lust now. That was a joke. Homura's "emotion" is different from what they've come in contact with and because of stuff like this, I can only assume it's amore because of the symbol that appears on Majuuka's chest,

It's stuff like that tries to explain Rebellion, but just ends up justifying things.
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Just finished that chapter, wraith arc is stupid as fuck. I don't care if the make canon the wraith designs or abilities, but the plot and characterization is so off it feels like a doujin. I knew something was off when the first two chapters read like a bad KyoSaya doujin.

At least it basically confirms Madoka loves Homura back really hard, but I'd rather have a decent story be told while doing that.
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>>2153144
I think it confirmed Homura loves and just wants to be with Madoka. MadoWraith isn't real 'dokes. But I doubt real Madoka is any dfferent.
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>>2153172
And yes, some people in this fan base were still unsure about Homura's feelings..
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>>2153172
I read her as a copy of Madoka from Homura's memories with a bit of the power Homura got when the universe reset, so basically a Madoka aware of Homura's love. It was a love strong enough after all to make a wraith fight alongside magical girls.

So I guess not really but at the same time kind of. >>2151035 pretty much says Madoka liked what she saw.
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>>2153183
>Now fuck already, so we can schlick to it
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I know it's looking like the Wraith Arc is trying to be canon, but it's not officially canon (yet), right?

So long as they only take a few things here and there from it things might not be too bad, but I hope it isn't canon.
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>>2153183
I'll buy that.

>>2153255
I'd say it's more canon than TDS, but only for Wraith mechanics. Completely ignorable otherwise.
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>>2153183
>It was a love strong enough after all to make a wraith fight alongside magical girls.
Conceptual sacrifice, magical girls and wraiths fighting together... mass hysteria!
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>>2153271
Less canon than TDS for sure; TDS has legitimacy in the form of Drama CD 3.
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>>2153304
Both based on scripts by Hiramatsu. Both drawn by Hanokage. Only one is called an interquel between Eternal and Rebellion. Just because you don't like it and it's not good doesn't mean it's less canon.
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I will say, as much of a train wreck this has been, I can't wait to re-read Wraith Arc when part 9 is translated. I think these two month intervals make it hard to keep track of things. While I don't believe it will male Wraith Arc good, it might make it more coherrent overall.
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>>2153304
Ah, but the wraith mechanics are canon, since we see one of the upper forms of a wraith in the concept movie (Oktavia's facing off against it).

Doesn't mean it's not dumb.
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>>2153348
I don't mind the stuff such as their descriptions in the first omake, but the notions that can lobotomize magical girls rendering them unable to be taken by the Law of Cycles, steal their powers to the point of assuming their forms, and perhaps most importantly, transform into fucking witches is just asking for a royal mess of plotholes and inconsistencies.
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>>2153362
The first is a major issue and would have happened with or without Homu. It's a major weakess in Madoka's universe.

The second and third can possibly only be attributed to Homura's unique circumstance, but I am not convinced of that. That said, even if the wraiths can only do this because of Homura, Madoka's world is excessively cruel to Homura for doing but choosing to exist.
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Kinda hope someone picks up this doujin.
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>>2153432
It's a great style honestly.
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>>2153395
The needs we place upon our heroes are excessively cruel, sis.

It's a yarn that runs throughout MadoMagi, from Coobs' staving off the Big Chill through the suffering of little girls, to Homura becoming a monster to save the girl who was always nice to her, to Sayaka accepting her ever recurring tragedy in order to ensure Violinfag's happiness, to Madoka writing herself out of existence for the sake of all megucas.

>>2153144
Cry more, sis.
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>>2153539
>It's a yarn that runs throughout MadoMagi, from Coobs' staving off the Big Chill through the suffering of little girls,
There's a difference between that and just making shit up that flies in the face of canon in order to justify suffering.
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In your opinion how the Wraith Arc should be rewritten? What parts could be reused?
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>>2153566
Stop posting like a basic ass Tumblr bitch and make some cogent points, nee-san.

I'm sorry your fluffy little headcannon had to die for the sake of a story but Jesus fuck get over yourself.
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>>2153693
Things I would keep
-I am okay with the Wraith clones and even the idea of mutant Wraiths. Wraiths manifest insecurities and fears, so them manifesting as individuals made sense to me.
-The overall plot up to the end of chapter 7 is okay. Wraith steals Homura's power, another Wraith of questionable alignment is helping her and at the same time taping into her deepest doubts and insecurities. That was fine.
-Exploration of Homura's feelings post series was good. Alone, no purpose, fighting for someone else's wish.
-Wraith designs were neat
-Majuuka being best girl

Things that pissed me off
-Characterization. It's very 2d. Homura's a hostile bitch, Mami's literally perfect, Kyouko's the most natural.
-Universe is literally out to get Homura. It takes any agency away from the character. It's just her being bullied for not saving Madoka.
-Reveal of Madokami's impotence
-Wraithpurgisnacht. We didn't need a world ending calamity. Makes Madokami's sacrifice seem even more pointless.
-Hitomi didn't confess to Kyousuke. That was pointless and makes Sayaka's death laughably stupid.
-Giving Homura the power to rewrite memories was dumb which she susequently never uses. Kyubey himself says that she rewrote everyone's memories because she was a witch/demon.
-There is existing KyouMamiHomu stuff in Quartet's extend universe. They put none of it to use. Homura doesn't have to be friends with them, but there could have been some decent interaction. Instead, it was just blown off with a simple "Madoka Kaname was the only person who understood me"
-Kyouko is literally why
-Plot 7 onward is bad reveal after bad reveal.

Those are a few things and probably more. Overall, I hope this isn't the writing direction the series is taking. I really appreciate that it's barely subtext at this point, but it really shouldnt be too much to ask for yuri and a good story.
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>>2153765
>Unironically defending Wraith Arc
Fuck off. Here's the difference between the suffering in the series and the suffering in Wraith Arc

>Series
>Dichtomy between hope and despair
>Characters begin by making a wish and fighting for their ideals
>Character meets a cynci and is faced with harsh reality
>Character becomes embittered
>Character turns back on ideals and becomes a shadow of their formerself (witch)
>Hero of series, know for being hopeful, loses hope
>Reveal that cycnical psuedo-villain is kept alive due to the hope given to her by hero in a previous tmeline
>Due to the will and fortitude the cycnic, the hero manages to accept reality but not give up ideals, overcomes despair, and becomes an embodiement of hope
>New world created where life is still shit, but at least there is hope

>Wraith Arc
>Humanoid entities seek to elimante emotion
>Character from series that embodies cycle of hope-despair dies and is taken to heaven
>Remaining characters are subjected to a hopeless situation int he new world
>We learn that things are so hopeless for some that they can never be saved even by the fucking embldiment of hope
>The situation can only be saved by allowing the cynic to access a lot power that shouldn't logically be usable

Wraith Arc is terrible sis. Don't pretend otherwise. It's not my fluffy head canon, it's the fucking fact this negates the entire point of Madoka's sacrifice and somehow still turns out worse for Homura and the other girls minus Sayaka.
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>>2153768
I can agree with more or less all of your positive points of Wraith Arc. I'll argue on some other ones, though:
>Hitomi didn't confess to Kyousuke. That was pointless and makes Sayaka's death laughably stupid.
The "Hitomi is a bitch" meme shouldn't be legitimized. She wouldn't break her promise to Sayaka like that. Unless you mean to say that Sayaka should have continued hesitating until her time ran out, as she did in the TV series.
>Giving Homura the power to rewrite memories was dumb which she susequently never uses
It's a mechanism for allowing her to remember all of the previous timelines while having no knowledge of the current timeline. It's also brought up as a "what if" that she could have falsified her memories into believing Madoka existed. She also uses it to get away from Mami, once.

A few other flaws include wraiths showing up as Mami's parents. How does this even happen? The wraiths never had access to her memories. How was Hitomi able to see Wraith-Sayaka? They're supposed to be invisible to normal humans. And the biggest one: wraiths should absolutely not have access to time manipulation.
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>>2153853
As for actually fixing the later plot of Wraith Arc, we run into a problem. When Majuuka is able to manifest as Madoka's magical girl form, Homura has been drained to the point of catatonia, at which point she should be taken by the Law of Cycles.

I suppose if we're following the general plot of Wraith Arc up until the end of Chapter 7, then Homura should have taken Majuuka's advice and used her memory manipulation to allow the two of them to escape from Mami and Kyoko. Afterwards, Majuuka should resolve to find some way to prove to Homura that Madoka was real. Homura would write that off as impossible since she doesn't exist in this plane, and basically just give up. In her stead, Majuuka would go off alone to reclaim Homura's powers. In the meantime, Mami and Kyoko could talk to Homura and Kyubey to try to find out what's going on with her. Later, Homura is swarmed by wraiths, including the giant one that stole her powers, but she's alone, so she's ready to give up and die. At this point, Majuuka siphons off some of the power from the giant wraith, and is able to transform into magical girl form, whereupon she fights the giant wraith to a mutual kill. As Majuuka dies, all of Homura's powers are returned, and Majuuka tells Homura that she truly understands her feelings, and there is no way that Homura's memories could be false if she was able to manifest Madoka's powers. The fact that Homura's feelings of Madoka were able to change a wraith into something more that could understand emotion is proof that Madoka's existence was real. Majuuka's last words are encouragement to Homura to not give up the hope of reuniting with Madoka someday. Then you can have your natural transition of Homura fighting until her magic is exhausted and Kyubey putting her into an isolation field before her soul is taken.
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>>2153853
>Hitomi
Saotome put it the best: that's stupid shit young girls do that's part of growing up. It's not that she's a natural bitch; she's just a 14 year old girl. The PSP game dealt more with the issue in more depth: Homura confronts Hitomi and points out that Hitomi is being cruel. Sayaka isn't even honest with herself about Kyousuke and Sayaka cares about her friend. 24/48/72/96 hours, it wouldn't matter because Sayaka is unable to come to terms with her feelings for Kyousuke or her relationship with Hitomi and make a definitive choice. She'd effectively lose one or lose both (considering Kyousuke doesn't like her in canon, she'd still end up losing both). On the other hand, Hitomi has already thought it over and made her decision and was ready to accept the consequences. She had no clue that she would literally kill Sayaka.

>Memory manipulation
Good point, I hadn't considered that. It just seemed like a weird ability and I guess I tied it to Rebellion too soon.

>Mami's parents
See, this is why I don't believe the worst aspects of Madoverse have to do with Homura. It was approaching Mami with a memory that Homura would never know. Considering WA is supposed to be a interquel to Beginnings+Eternal, then Mami doesn't even mention her parents in the movies!

>>2153855
I agree with your idea. Majuuka explaining that she couldn't exist if Madoka didn't exist would have made more sense and restored Homura's hope. Homura, renewed in her faith, walks off into the set up for Rebellion.

I do feel though that this story essentially sets up for her having the black rose bow and BWoC. I expect her to get her bow back and one shot the wraith. We will see next week though.
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>>2154394
Clairifcation
Worst aspects of Madoverse being magical girls completely being robbed of hope and wraith clones dicking around.
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>>2154394
Whether or not Hitomi is being cruel with her ultimatum, she's still not dishonest. She explicitly recognized Sayaka's affections, and as such, discussed with her out of respect. True, even if she had given Sayaka a week, Sayaka would have continued to agonize about the decision and ultimately allow Hitomi to confess, but Hitomi doesn't understand Sayaka's circumstances. Hitomi saying that she'll give Sayaka 24 hours and then confessing before that timeframe is over would be even more duplicitous than confessing to him without ever talking to Sayaka. It would be out of character for her.

>>2154394
>I expect her to get her bow back and one shot the wraith.
Considering that Wraithpurgisnacht has explicitly killed Mami, Kyoko, and half the city, I expect a time-reset ending involving the shield.
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>>2154408
>Hitomi
I get what your saying. I just find it weird that she confesses in the series and just talks with him in Wraith Arc. Sure things are diferent, but it seems like Madoka's disappearance made Hitomi a slightly better person. She said she'd give Sayaka until the end of the next school day. From the time they were in the lounge after class to walking home is effectively one day. It's just something that bugs me, but is irrelevent im the long run.

>Wraiths
One shot the wraith after the reset of course. Even if she resets, the wraiths will still come after her. Unless of course her emotional strength is damaged.
>inb4 awful twist where Homura could never go to heaven anyways because you can only be saved if your heart is intact and her soul gem was irreversibly damaged making Madoka her literal heart
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>>2154416
That's because Sayaka died before the 24 hour time period during Wraith Arc. Hitomi learns of Sayaka is missing, and assumes herself to be responsible. She's obviously not going to confess after assuming that she's caused her friend to run away.
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>>2154420
Got it. went back and reread the beginning of chapter 2. My memory was way off.
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>>2153786
Blah blah fucking blah. They said the exact same things about Rebellion in the exact same way. It was stupid then, it's stupid now.

At least other anons made an attempt at explaining the narrative missteps of the story like >>2153853
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>>2148080
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Happy 19th birthday, Madochi!
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>>2154682
Wait it's already past midnight in Japan?
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>>2154686
12:15 to be exact.
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RIP 4chan, happy birthday Madoka.
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>>2155206
I really can't wait to spend $120 on the eventual Madoka White Swan figure from GSC. I'm not even being sarcastic.
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>>2154682
Happy birthday Dokes
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>>2154682
One more year until she can finally drink with her mother.
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>>2155293
Fuck, that comic is depressing. Especially if you imagine Junko passed out in her suit due to stress/drinking herself stupid.
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I bet they had some great birthday sex.
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I'm a day late, but happy birthday Madoka!
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>>2155753
Belated is better than never!
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Thoughts on Homura Tamura, nee-san(s)?

They look cute and funny. Do they have shipping jokes too?
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>>2155795
Homura Tamura is great. If you're a fan, you'll get some goof laughs.

>Do they have shipping jokes too?
Homura's openly gay for Madoka, but they're usually G or PG rated about it. She openly states she loves Madoka, freezes time to try and kiss her etc, but no panty stealing jokes or things you'd see in a Maitake doujinshi. Madoka is unspokenly gay with her depending on the universe. More often though, she's oblivious to it, aware she's gay but doesn't know the ai yo is for her, or thinks Homu is a weirdo.

Kyouko and Sayaka are always after for each other and it usually manifests in the form of them fighting and bickering with each other.

Mami is usually just crazy.
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>>2155809
Sounds wonderful. I've got a BnN gift card burning a hole in my pocket, and I require more PMMM in my life - there's never enough.
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This artist usually does soul gem fita, but I found a work that's strictly yuri. Too bad it's only a 4 page sample though.
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Majuuka joins the party!
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If there's anything good I can say about the WA it's this: it's totally proven to me that Madoka's best look is with her hair down/not in pigtails.

She's certainly cute with them, but even in the few scenes we got in the show I knew she was cuter without.
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>>2155961
Man, Homura is not into that at all.
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>>2156086
After getting a naked lesbian space hug from Madoka, do you really think she'd stoop so low as to soil her purity with a fake?
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Did the concept movie get fansubbed yet on YouTube?
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I'm aware that Imgur.com will stop allowing adult images since 15th of May. I'm taking actions to backup as much data as possible.
Read more on this topic here - https://archived.moe/talk/thread/1694/


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