Puella Magi Madoka Magica: Red vs Blue Edition

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Good taste OP

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Who do you think would be the dominant one in the relationship?

Sayaka is more touchy and probably knows more about sex than Kyouko so she'd probably be the one leading in bed.

>>2101901
Doesn't matter, what matters is that they can't agree.

>>2101901
They fight for dominance, Kyoko usually wins.

Releasing concept movie on bluray means even less chances for actual sequel.

>>2102033
Just fuck off already.

>>2102033
This is a KyouSaya thread. Please direct shitposts to /a/.

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>>2102033
And thus Madoka threads are graced with a new troll personality.

>>2102052
The last thread proved it.

Speaking of last thread, can we try and arrange a Q&A session with the writer of "Leave it on Ice"? I really want to know what makes them tick.

>>2102070
Sounds like a good idea anon, go set it up.
Then I'll go get around to reading it and think of some questions to ask.

>>2102072
Okay! I'll see what I can do. You will definitely have some.

>>2102074
How are you going to go about it? If you convince him to come to a thread here on /u/ or make it a public q&a in some other fashion he is just going to get trolled hard and asked a lot of stupid questions.
A better method would be, once you get his approval, ask for some question requests here and them ask them to him in a private session.

Just an idea, unless someone else has a better idea.

>>2102081
I don't think you're allowed to post good ideas here, be careful you aren't banned.

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Enough of this KyoSaya shit, wheres my HoMado? Why does it seem like KyoSaya is so much more popular than the couple that the story revolves around anyway? It's not fair.

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Wraith Arc 7 scanlation.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/r881f7dqhw2kt32/%5BSGT%5D_Kirara_Magica_Vol_26_-_Wraith_Arc_7_%28Hanokage%29.zip

https://mega.nz/#!ToxhDTCB!qvLIRGMqLD279-a8gk65gbA4mvxDDGPN0GxtvvlLc6A

>>2102165
HomuMado is still really popular. It's just the Sayaka/Kyokou fans look down upon on us with jealously, and claims of abuse,

>>2102165
I agree

Where all the crack ships at?

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>>2102165
There's only so much "WEHHH I HATE MYSELF" one can take. Sayaka got over it after Rebellion, Homura's still moping.

>>2102180
>overthrows god and creates and entire alternate dimension in which to imprison her
I'd say she's been pretty proactive, all things considered. Sayaka just suicided.

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>>2102184
Seems pretty happy with her girlfriend to me.

>>2102185
Because of the alternate dimension that Homura built while 'still moping'.

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>>2102165
>Why does it seem like KyoSaya is so much more popular than the couple that the story revolves around anyway? It's not fair.

You kind of answered your own question. HomuMado is the main driving force of the series. They both have a lot of screentime and development. Thus, fans of the pairing (and most people in general, because it's the main pairing) are saited, and don't need to discuss it more.

KyouSaya, on the other hand, gets less "official" focus, and so fans of the pairing are more outspoken in their love/with their art/etc. They have to make the content that they feel the show is lacking, while HomoMado *is* the show's content.

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>>2102201
That's a good point, but it's not true for me. While HoMado may be the main focus of the story, we haven't gotten a conclusive ending for their relationship. Maybe I'll be satisfied if they get an on screen kiss, but I still want more porn of them.

>>2102203
>While HoMado may be the main focus of the story, we haven't gotten a conclusive ending for their relationship
Again, you kind of have the answer in your post already.

We haven't gotten a conclusion or a kissu because that's literally the end point, presumably, of the story.

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>>2102208
I need on screen tribbing with handholding and kissing NOW.

>>2102239
The longer you wait, the better the release at the end nee-san.

Speaking of tribbing, though, is there a HomuMado version of that SZS OP frame with the two girls leg-locked?

>>2102169
Kyubey's an S-class piece of shit this chapter. Makes me happy he gets his shit wrecked at the end of Rebellion. It looks like Wraiths can't go back in time, which is good.

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Girls Fall in Love Through Her Ears
NSFW SayaKyo

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B01Dn3kBTNnudFpqRDRhYWJjYU0

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>>2102593
Samples~

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>>2102593
Sample 2

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>>2102593
Sample 3

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>>2102165
If you just look at scanilated and Eng translated stuff, it's because the major contributors to the English speaking Madoka yuri community gravitate more toward KyouSaya. ACK himself is a KyouSayafag and anything recently posted on e/exhentai is usually him using an alias. Interestingly, futafags seem to prefer MadoHomu.

If you go out to Pixiv and Twitter though, MadoHomu gets official and fan content on the daily. It's not as if there's some drought or anything. It's a MadoHomu franchise. KyouSaya just live in it.

>>2102174
I don't really see it on /u/. We're more passive-aggressive than anything. The series doesn't present either relationship as perfect. Both Madoka and Sayaka's acceptance of their partners in E12 and Rebellion, respectively, begin as apologies, not girlish confessions. Madoka and Homura need to work out their issues post-Rebellion, but it all still seems pretty par for the course and it will presumably feel more rewarding than muh LoC omnipotence. People who actually sperg out over it really need to find better shit to get incensed over.

>>2102180
>Sayaka got over it after Rebellion
To be fair, actually having her wish granted and attaining meguca nirvana from the LoC helped a lot.

>>2102239
Have some semi-official art done by a Shaft animator.

Does anyone that pic of Madoka wearing a pair of really shiny spats (Or whatever they're call)?

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>Please, God... Look at the life I've lived. Please let me have a happy dream for once in my life.
>Focus on the one thing that means the most to you, and protect it to the end

GOD DAMMIT KYOUKO

>>2102856

We told you Kyouko and Homura were total bros.

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>>2102677
That picture, oh my goodness.

anyone else looking forward to the English PSP port finishing up?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU6Sv-3Crs0

>>2102868
>2 more years
Shit. I mean, I don't wanna be an ungrateful jerk, but that release will take what, 6 years?

Kudos for not dropping it halfway though, looking forward to it.

>>2102868
>Game is sub only
>Anime clips use the dub
Now, I might be a dubfag, but I like some consistency.

>>2102868
Yes and no. I'm glad I'll be able to play it, but I was not very impressed with their last translation patch. Yeah yeah, free stuff. I know. The translators even said they weren't going to go out of their way to give the characters their given personality and QC (literally had a game ending glitch) was terrible last round. I'll defintely give it a go, but I'm not expecting too much.

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>>2101704
Black vs Blue is better imo

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>>2102964
What are you going on about?

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>>2102970
I honestly don't know what this tantrum of yours is about.

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>>2102976
This is a Madoka thread.
I'm posting Madoka yuri.
On /u/.
I don't see what the big deal is here.

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>>2102985
>portrays the characters negatively.
It's porn. And even then, it being "negative" is subjective.

>>2102979
>>2102989
Stop trying to argue with anticrack-kun. Just report and hide, a janitor will eventually delete all his posts anyway.

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>>2102991
Anticrack-kun?

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>>2103005
I'm not replying because I really don't care about "degrading" the characters, or about arguing nonsense with you.

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>>2102992
You're seeing him in action, what else is there to say? He's been at it for a year and a half now. Just ignore him.

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>>2103015
>no one else has ever saved that image
>you have to change the name on all your images or you're the one that posted it
Whatever dude.

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>>2103024
wew lad

Just a couple of /a/utists whose shit has spilled over onto /u/.

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>>2103064
You called me !Akemi earlier, lad.

I don't care one way or the other when it comes to this but I just don't want this dang thread over-inundated with fighting and baiting to the point we need a new thread within one day.

>>2103104
To be honest, I'm just posting lewds. I don't care if they're crack or not, I'm just picking at random.

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>>2103116
k

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Every time you have sex, the goddess is watching

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Is this sex or masturbation? I can't tell.

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homohomo

>>2103161
is this from a doujin?

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>>2102858
Kyouko all but confirmed for satanist.

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>>2103437

Did /a/ ban Madoka threads or something? We've had way too many trolls for just one 48 hour period.

>>2103449
We have one troll, two if you count >>2103444

>>2103457
It seems to be two /a/utists who brought their little feud to /u/

>>2102941

I think you meant Mami instead of Kyouko. It's true Homura is pissed at Kyouko because she didn't kill witch-homura, but she'll admit Kyouko likely just went along with it to get into Sayaka's pants. She'll understand like always. As much as she despises Sayaka, she's never given Kyouko crap for wanting her.

>>2103522
>Unironically responding to HomuHater

Pls don't. Mami doesn't even have enough development to actually hate anyone. At the very worst Sayaka hates Homura for not being a white knight like her and Homura resents her bakaness.

>>2103537
Mami is still more likely to side with Sayaka against Homura when/if it comes down to it.

>>2103557
I wouldn't doubt it, but I'm going out on a limb and say she won't side with either Sayaka or Homura based on what I've seen. The art, concept material, and promo material are really pushing the three powers stuff.

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I'm still iffy on whether this shit deserves to be canon or not, but if the next words that come out of her mouth next month are "Kaname Madoka", I'll be pretty sold on the idea that there was absolutely no other choice but for Homura to rebel against Madoka in order to anally devastate Kyubey. Rebellion had Mami state it before the splitting and this reinforces the theory that Mami would have been used in a similar isolation field experiment.

>>2103557
If they're going to do Puella Magi: Civil War the sides would be
>Team Madoka
>Goddess Madoka
>Sayaka
>Nagisa

>Team Homura
>Devil Homura
>Kyouko
>Mami

>>2103613
I really doubt Mami will side with Homura. Remember her right before Homura fully rebelled? She's too devoted to the idea of the Law of Cycles to side with Homura. Puella Magi: Civil War is going to be

>Team Madoka
>Madoka
>Sayaka
>Nagisa
>Mami

vs

>Team Homura
>Homura
>Kyoko
>Homura's familiars

>>2103613
>>2103622
Either way, it's still so lopsided in Homura's favor.

>>2103643
Homura herself is hamstrung by how much she hates herself and her familiars are bound to turn on her should her self hate grow even further.

>>2103650
I do agree with that. For the most part I see Mami on Team Homu initially because Homura actively courts her, but going Team Mado because she was always Team Mado in the first place. Similar to Guan Yu leaving Cao Cao for Liu Bei. Kyouko will stay on Team Homu until it becomes apparent that the Homuverse is based on Homura's continued suffering.

>>2103663
>implying that Homura hates her friends
>implying that Homura hates Madoka

>>2103668
I'm now picturing Homura as Robot Santa from Futurama wanting to kill everyone because they've been naughty. Except Kyouko. She gets a pogo stick.

>>2103667
Eh I'm pretty sure that Kyouko is going to stay on team Homu till however the fuck this ends. Kyouko is the sort who would understand and respect what Homura is doing I think, even if it's at the cost of self sacrifice.

>>2103622
But they have to split the couples

>>2103672

Nah, there's a shitload of mutual respect, but not alot of shared goals. I could see them on othersides without the strong dislike/outrage that everyone else has about each other. That would be an interesting dynamic not often seen in PMMM, the 'circumstances puts us on opposing sides' thing.

>>2103672
There's a solid difference between respecting a decision and enabling self-destructive behaviour. Homura's already past that line to the viewer. I'd doubt Kyouko would just be fine with it considering how she reacted to Sayaka's descent in series and even to Homura's descent in Wraith Arc. Kyouko's whole "knowing how it feels to be lonely" speech leads me to believe she'd want Homura to have Madoka back if she knew what actually transpired.

>>2103677
>That would be an interesting dynamic not often seen in PMMM, the 'circumstances puts us on opposing sides' thing.
That's literally the whole series and Rebellion.

>>2103677
Homura loses, LoC restored, Sayaka goes back to LoC, Kyouko alone again. There's you're shared goal.

>>2103650
Clara dolls obey her if she wants.. They aren't acting seriously.
She rejected both Mami and Kyouko, so she doesn't need them as allies.

>>2103685
I don't think Kyouko would force Sayaka to stay with her if she wanted to go back. She's a good girl who respects others.

>>2103677
>the 'circumstances puts us on opposing sides' thing
>Literally the conflict at the end of Rebellion
>Not seen much in PMMM

>>2103689
I'd somehow doubt Kyouko is going yo be completely cool with losing Sayaka a third time in one timeline. This time voluntarily.

>She's a good girl who respects others.
She's still brash and chaotic. It really depends on how she takes the news. She loves Sayaka. She doesn't seem to be enthralled ith the Law of Cycles.

>>2103696
Not to mention Sayaka and Kyouko are only "enemies" because of Kyouko's fucked up childhood.

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Anyone else a fan of this guy?

>>2103696

Ahh, I meant more that the mutual respect and understanding the others point of view. Madoka and Homura are in lesbians with each other, but it's hard to say that Homura respects Madoka's choices given what we've seen. Madoka likewise tends to ignore what Homura wants.

This isn't saying their overriding the other's choices isn't justified, but in the series there is no doubt that Homura could have saved Kyouko from suiciding against Sayaka's witch, but let her do her thing.

Homura vs. Kyouko would lack the super-strong emotions distorting everything.

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>>2103762
Yeah, some of them are really cute

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>>2103873

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>>2103875

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>>2103876
too lewd for /u/

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>>2103877
I will be disappointed if Homura doesn't spill any spaghetti next project.

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>>2103896

>>2103907
I honestly never realized how fucking hard Rebellion references EoE.

>>2103907
>>2103912

That part just hurt to watch, to be honest. Watching Homura loose all sense of hope and joy and sinking down into her failures as she slowly carved away her humanity... a real punch to the gut.

>>2103943
Yeah, but that's why Rebellion is so effective

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>>2103943
It's pretty damn painful.

>>2103949
>>2103951

I know. Why do we love things that hurt us so? *cries*

Rebellion really got the symbolism right when it counted. It helped underline the feelings we were already feeling, really great piece of art.

>>2103956
Painful things are remember far longer than happy things. I consider Madoka to be a much more valuable experience because of the suffering. If it was a cute happy anime, I would have enjoyed it, but forgotten about it quickly.

>>2103901
>those little figures

Where can I get them? Are they GKs or some custom thing?

>>2104039
I think it's just editing.

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>>2104039
>>2104071
They're for your cup

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>>2104256

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>>2104257

>>2104039
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Madoka-Magica-FUCHIKO-edge-of-the-cup-figure-7pcs-complete-Japan-limted-KITAN-/291646417939

>>2103901
Meta as fuck

>>2103873
>>2103875
>>2103876
>>2103877
What's the origin of these?

URL?

>>2103876
Lewd pink strikes again

>>2104281
https://mobile.twitter.com/kain1234567

>>2104309
Very nice, thank you

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>>2101901
Said it in the last thread already, Kyouko would dominate, but not without Sayaka stuggling for domination first.

Also, anyone got a backlink to the previous thread?

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>>2103870
>teleports behind Kyouko
>"Nothing personnel kid"

>>2102165
You must be new to the franchise then because HomuMado has about double the amount of fanwork KyouSaya has. It also gets the vast majority of official artwork and merchandise.

>>2102174
Well I simply don't like HomuMado because it doesn't appeal to me. For one, while Homura is a really cool and mysterious beauty, Madoka just looks like a moeblob with pigtails that makes her look younger than she actually is. If I am to enjoy a pairing, I would also like to enjoy them being in sexual situations, and Madoka's looks simply don't work for me. And true, I didn't like the developments of Rebellion in regards to HomuMado either, though there were some moments in the movie that I went all "awwwww" on. I'd also like to point out that most watchers don't get Rebellion/Homura so they vent their anger on HomuMado, calling it abusive and what-not.
My main issued with HomuMado is the lack of communication which then leads to an unhealthy relationship, and all I'm really hoping for is that they sit down and fucking talk.

>>2104571
>I'd also like to point out that most watchers don't get Rebellion/Homura so they vent their anger on HomuMado, calling it abusive and what-not.

I'd also throw in the most vocal MadoHomu haters tend not to have any love for KyouSaya. It's not an either or thing.

>>2104256
>>2104257
>>2104257
I want all 5 of those. Kyuubey can fuck off.

>>2102185
Entire KyoSaya thing in Rebellion is just Homura's fantasies

>>2104584
/a/ pls go

>>2104584
Homura has been through dozens of timelines. She knows the two would do well enough together and splitting Sayaka off from violin boy is pertinent to her health.

>>2104584
Homura is the biggest KyouSayafag.

>>2104586
>still doubting
It's confirmed that Homura's powers are mind manipulation

>>2104592
Fuck off troll. Sayaka had her memories the entire time before hand and Kyouko knew Homura's world was fake during their special moment.

>>2104592
Her mind manipulation didn't work on Sayaka, she had complete power over her thoughts and memories (including the memories of past timelines where witches were still a thing). The Kyouko thing was mind manipulation but only in the sense of having implanted false memories from one year prior to the events in Rebellion. I wouldn't say she messed a whole lot with Kyouko's personality considering the fact that Kyouko is still an orphan in the labyrinth.

>>2104594
>>2104593
I'm talking about very end where they are just a puppets of her show.

>>2104599
That's not what you suggested. She doesn't control them; she incepts memories. That's significantly different.

>>2104599
You did say the "entire" KyouSaya thing. I don't think it's manipulation either, they still hold true to their personalities, and if we take into account that Kyouko and Sayaka re living under the same circumstances as they were within Homura's labyrinth throughout the entirety of Rebellion, then we can still assumce that Kyouko already went through the tragedy of having lost her family. Kyouko was always a softie on the inside anyway and her personality pre-family suicide is very close to how she is in Rebellion so it's not like Homura rewrote Kyouko's personality. She points out that Kyouko is the one that feels the "oddest" to her because, for one, she's not fighting with Sayaka, second, she's attending school together with them, third, she's not acting confrontational and cold towards Sayaka and the rest of them.
Sayaka is still Sayaka, she's even the first to confront Homura- Homura having erased her memories doesn't exactly change her personality, it does change a big part of it in regards to her relationship with Kyouko since she probably forgot the events that transcurred in the labyrinth and in the LoC before she joined the labyrinth.

I don't doubt that Kyouko and Sayaka will get their memories back, but Homura isn't really the reason they're able to get along, she's simply the reason they're able to be close like this.

>>2104602
If you can incept and remove memories, you can do anything.

>>2104606
Can is the key word. The gang is still Homura's friends and a huge part of keeping Madoka happy. She isn't going to fuck with them any more than she has to.

>>2104606
She removed her knowledge of the LoC. That was it. She still knows who Kyousuke and Hitomi are, and she still knows who Kyouko is. Butcher already said they're a natural pairing. Fuck, I don't even ship it, but it's apparent that they aren't being controlled.

The metaphor for Homura's universe is a bird cage. It's a functional prison where they can live happily.

>>2104584
Even Homura ships it

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>>2104584
Kyouko and Sayaka were real.
Homura just gave them a sandbox, they decided to build the sandcastle.

>>2104694
>Homura has Kyouko live with Sayaka

Homura gave them a bit more than a sandbox.

>>2104748
She gave them a push into the sandbox. If only to speed things up for the sake of the happiness of everyone involved, aside from herself.

>>2104665
Homura knows the refined taste of hating a character but still shipping her with someone.

>>2104926
I'm pretty sure homura doesn't hate Sayaka. She just hates Sayaka's bakaness and how it negatively affects Madoka.

>>2104908
>Homura
>Caring about herself or having any sense of self-worth whatsoever

>>2104584
>>2104908
Of course it's the goddamn Homuhater.

Got any artwork of yandere Homura?

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>>2105171

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>>2105287

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>>2105288

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>>2105289

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>>2105291
And of course the classic.

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>>2105301
All the yandere tags on Danbooru really seem to stretch the definition though. It comes off more as rough play to me (except maybe >>2105288) and I personally dig the dark beauty corrupting the chaste virgin.

>>2105539
I can't see the user name because Im a mobilefag, but I think a lot of that guys work ends up on Youtube as well. There's nothing to explain. Only experience.

>>2105539
Look's like it's a meguca rendering of a gay porn.

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>>2106944
Capes are quite useful

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>>2106944
>>2106975

Moar cape hugging!
This is the closest I can find.

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My contribution.

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>>2106975
Blankets are better.

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>>2107996
I think that's supposed to be Homuhomu's shroud thingy.

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>>2108001

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>>2108001
She's on a bed in that picture and in Rebellion when she gets up with it. She was asleep on the bed.

>>2108032
Yuri pregnancy just makes me happy.

Maybe it's a kneejerk contrarian reaction to my friends in high school who were into yaoi and mpreg.

>>2108033
dude. not like girls impregnating other girls makes sense but at least it makes sense that a woman would be pregnant.

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>>2108033

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>>2108034
It's not even weird. Madoka and Homura have Tatsuya and Kyouko and Sayaka can get a donor.

>>2108043
No, no, magic. Just change an egg cell to a sperm cell.

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http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-08-01/madoka-magica-slot-machine-boasts-new-animated-footage/.104879

>The game also includes a new song, titled "naturally", performed by Aoi Yūki (Madoka) and Eri Kitamura (Sayaka).

>Madoka and Sayaka duet

Hmmmmmm

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>>2108100
>MadoSaya
>Official crackshipping

TRIGGERED

Seriously though, I can't wait til someone posts the new portions. I enjoyed the goofiness of the last one.

>>2108122
Maybe I was just imagining it but I swear I read somewhere that Madoka saw Sayaka as her proverbial "knight in shining armor" and she may have been her first crush.

>>2108123 #
Obvious joke nee-san. Also the song hasn't been released officially yet.

>>2108124 #
This has never been said or implied by anyone

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>>2108123
>platonic best friends

This is exactly how I like them.

But certain anons want to insist that's "closet shipping" or some other nonsense.

Because you know, nobody matters to Madoka but Homura.

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>>2108126

Prequel chapter in the novel.

Ties in nicely with the knight/protector look Sayaka envisioned for her outfit, as well as her idealistic views about being a hero.

>>2108043
Homura and Madoka are capable of personally rewriting universal laws and every magical girl gets their power from a civilization capable of reversing entropy.

gay babies is fucking childsplay.

>>2108130
>Chinese novel

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They already have fan art for the duet.

>>2108126
> This has never been said or implied by anyone
No, but it's not that far fetched. Sayaka does has a strong sense of justice and has a history of defending Madoka when she was younger.

It would not be all that shocking that Madoka would see her as a sort of savour like a knight. Sayaka becoming a magical girl only helps that image along.
But that is about as far as that goes, to be blunt. I don't think that shipping the two with nothing really in cannon to support it does any good, since there is nothing between the two of that that would remotely suggest that they see each other as more than friends (outside of being playful).

>>2108123
> TRIGGERED
When in the great /dev/null did this become a thing?

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SLOT Madoka 2 announced!


http://slot-madokamagica2.com/movie/mm2_pv.mp4

>>2108184
Silent Hill, Metal Gear Solid, they have only the slightest taste of what we feel.

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>>2108171
>It would not be all that shocking that Madoka would see her as a sort of savour like a knight

Close, but it's easy to forget that Madoka's self-worth is Homura-tier.

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>>2108133

No it isn't.

>>2108184
I just punched a hole clean through drywall anon. I hope you're pleased with yourself.

>>2108184
I would kill for one of these to show up in Vegas.

>>2108189
> Homura-tier
Yeah, no... Homura outright hates herself and everything about herself.
As low as Madoka can get, it never reached the bottom of that barrel... but that has more to do with a massive lack of self worth.

>>2108202
The only difference between the two is Madoka has friends and a stable family to prevent her from ever hitting that bottom.

>>2108203
There's a metric ton of difference between "I wish I wasn't a burden to my friends" and "I literally want to die."

>>2108209
>I wish I wasn't a burden to my friends
She believed she deserved to die because she was too much of a coward to save Mami in episode 4. This was after Homura told her it wasn't her fault and tried to free her from guilt. "I wish I wasn't a burden to my friends" does equal "literally wants to die" in this case.

I think people go too far with this Homura hates herself stuff. She is detached maybe, and sure she is willing to sacrifice herself for Madoka, but her borderline obsession with Madoka aside, she actually seems pretty confident about herself and her own actions.
I certainly don't see Homura as this self loathing slug that lots of other people seem to see her as.

>>2108245
Did you not watch the end of rebellion.

Her own fucking familiars bully the shit out of her because she hates herself that much.

>>2108245
Yeah she's actually very confident, I mean she pretty much made Madoka a goddess with how confident she was in her actions. Even further in the rebellion movie, not even the goddess is safe from Homura. The haters just can't let go.

>>2108247
That can be read as the Clara Dolls hating the farce that is AkuHomu pretending to be this vamping, evil final boss. They throw tomatoes at her, the classic sign of a play/act sucking. Also note the filmstrip motif Homura got in Rebellion. The bullying is towards Homulilly, who is making an elaborate production for her eternal execution, of which the Dolls are playing at the procession. There's a whole current of facades crumbling to Rebellion, as Homura herself presents a facade to everyone, including herself.

If we're using the Dolls as mindstate, remembering they all pantomime suicide would be a better example of Homu's self-hatred.

>>2108245
I think the thing is people take the Homura from the end of Rebellion and try to apply it to Homura throughout the series. Homura's extreme self-loathing and mindset in Rebellion is a direct result of the events of the series, not an extension.

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>>2108124
Hnnng this is too fucking cute.

>>2108245
>>2108256
>she actually seems pretty confident about herself
>Yeah she's actually very confident

Not really. TL 1 Homura's a mess and she really doesn't care for the attention that she gets for being pretty and smart in later timelines. She's firmly resolved that saving Madoka is the right thing to do. She isn't confident in herself, rather she's confident in her mission. Her self-worth might as well be negative. But for the most part the series doesn't dwell on her mental state. Once we get to Rebellion though, the self-hatred flows out. Of course, the elements of her self-loathing are based on her belief that she failed Madoka and now must be her "enemy" if she wishes for Madoka to be safe.

>>2108365
But keep in mind Homo doesn't care. Her familiars are bullying her and she does hate herself, but her wish to protect Madoka currently overrides her desire to be loved by Madoka.

>>2108468
Homura hated herself in series, but it was a feeling of worthlessness. As Moemura, she felt she was a burden to Madoka, hence her wish to be the one protecting Madoka. I do agree though, too many anons take Homura's character at the end of Rebellion (100 timelines of suffering, giving up, a universal rewrite, an ungrantable wish that resulted in a lonely existence, being turned into witch, being responsible for Kyubey capturing Madoka, and becoming a demon) and apply it retroactively. I do think Moemura embodies everything Homura hates about herself, but she doesn't become a literal embodiment of masochistic love and suffering until the second universe rewrite.

>>2108184
Kek. They're doing this on purpose.

>>2108184
>Snek Eater Pachinko
>The Boss didn't die for this shit!
>Meguca Pachinko
>Madoka didn't die for this shit!

>>2108184
>>2108559
>>2108564
I don't know about you girls, but I wanna play!

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>>2108566
MAGICA QUESTO!

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>>2108536

I know. How could anyone hate adorable Sayaka protecting Madoka?

It loops back around and makes the sequel prospect even greater: they both believe they're doing what's best for their best friend, but their ideals are too different for them to band together.

The suffering will peak when Madoka ends up losing one of them or both

>>2108553
> I do think Moemura embodies everything Homura hates about herself, but she doesn't become a literal embodiment of masochistic love and suffering until the second universe rewrite.
The reason that most apply the self-loathing in a retro active scale is because they mostly apply to character traits that are established well before Rebellion, all Rebellion really does is focus on those traits. The same ones that make her the "hero" that she is... the same dedication, the same determination, the same refusal to get ANYONE (even Madoka) involved. They are all twisted to the negative, and warp her.
By the end of Rebellion... the old Homura is gone, twisted into an obsessive, self-serving, egotistical, self-loathing mess.

>>2108365
>If we're using the Dolls as mind-state, remembering they all pantomime suicide would be a better example of Homu's self-hatred.

All familiars are an expression of a victim's state of mind before becoming a witch. It was the same for Charlotte and Oktavia von Seckendorff, which we known the most of. It is why Charlotte's own had a candy theme around it or Oktavia's own are based on Hitomi and Kyosuke, or in the case of Candeloro (Mami's own witch) being the based on Kyouko and Madoka/Sayaka, etc.
If anything the Clara Dolls represent a self-image of Homura that doesn't really scale with reality, none the less if you take there naming and actions into account... what they show is rather telling. Love has nothing to do with that she did, as far as she is mentally concerned, and it would turn out that Homura is a heavily depressed little girl whom would rather death come swiftly. She looks all powerful, but she is VERY far from it.

>>2108593
The reason you can't retroactively apply Homura's state in Rebellion to the series is because a narrative tends to flow from point A to point B. Homura's state in Rebellion was significantly more than "I'm a depressed girl who wants to die". It's the result of a lifetime of failure and broken promises and a need to be punished for eternity for being a living failure. Homura is incredibly strong, but she is objectively a failure. There's no arguing against this. She didn't become Homullily out of love because the one thing she loved no longer existed. Her existence was negated, hence the entire reason of being the Nutcracker. This can only apply during Rebellion. It can't apply before or after because Homura is now certain of Madoka's existence regardless of the outcome.
Homura may hate herself now, but that's also tied to the events of Rebellion. She couldn't protect Madoka from her "stupid" self or the Incubators and even gave the Incubators the knowledge they needed to capture her. And her final resolution was to betray Madoka. Of course she wants to die. But like the above, this can't be applied retroactively because it required Homura to betray Madoka. Something that never happened in series. And...
>the old Homura is gone, twisted into an obsessive, self-serving, egotistical, self-loathing mess.
It's like you don't even know what half those words mean.

>>2108122
>I enjoyed the goofiness of the last one.
Where can I see that?

>>2108657
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lXICcYxg4A

There's some extended versions of battles scenes from the series and some full blown fan servicey stuff like beach episodes and shopping for dresses.

>>2108674
>>2108184
This is future of madoka franchise, not your imaginary sequel.

>>2108593
>By the end of Rebellion... the old Homura is gone, twisted into an obsessive, self-serving, egotistical, self-loathing mess.
Strongly disagree. Homura's still very much a selfless character. She's chosen to forward Madoka's happiness and well-being even if it means doing things Madoka herself doesn't want and becoming her enemy in the process (or at least that's what she thinks will happen).

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>>2108753
>Homura's still very much a selfless character

>She's chosen to forward Madoka's happiness

>Fuck everyone else

>Especially Sayaka

>ESPECIALLY especially Sayaka

>>2108770
Only Homura still made a world where she let Sayaka exist with her friends and girlfriend and where her wish came true.

Granted it's largely window dressing to make Madoka happy, but still.

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>>2108785
Her wording to Sayaka suggests that happened entirely by accident.

>>2108787
She still let Sayaka exist after she found out.

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>>2108790
>"let" Sayaka exist

I really don't think she's powerful enough to literally wipe her from existence...at least not in a clean way.

She then proceeded to threaten her afterwards.

>>2108791
She literally just rewrote a couple laws of the universe after booting a being who did the same out of godhood.

>>2108770
Selfless doesn't mean that you have everyone's interests at heart equally.

She's selfless in the sense that she'd kill herself in a heartbeat if it meant saving Madoka's life. As luck has it, she found a loophole so she didn't have to.

>>2108753
It's a balancing act. Homura is selfless in a different way from Madoka and it's not appropriate to compare the two. Madoka is Jesus tier and doesn't even demand worship. It's not a cooncidence that Madoka ceased to exist: she was literally selfless in the end. Homura's sacrifice is more conventionally tragic (lose something important to gain something important). As long as Madoka is happy, she doesn't mind that she may never be at her side again.
>Only Homura would think Madoka would be happy without her

>>2108770
>Implying selflessness requires a Jesus tier sacrifice
She sacrificed her happiness so Madoka can have her family and friends back. That doesn't mean it is necessarily the right action or 100% selfless, but it was a sacrifice on Homura's end.

>>2108787
>Didn't mean to draw Sayaka
>Decides to give her a happy life along with the loli she doesn't even know
>Doesn't kill her despite being a tremendous threat to her plan in the long run
That argument works more against you than it does Homura. Homura's status is at worst anti-villain and can be argued that she's still anti-hero.

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>>2108797
>She's selfless in the sense that she'd kill herself in a heartbeat if it meant saving Madoka's life.

She'd also kill Madoka's friends in a heartbeat if it meant saving Madoka's life.

>>2108245
You should probably watch Rebellion again.

>>2108787
Read between the lines.

As much as I enjoy discussing this stuff it gets pretty annoying having to explain it so often.

>>2108818
Pretty sure it's just someone trying to bait a certain someone and pretending they were contributing to discussion.

>>2108770
That picture's color pallet reminds me of Lelouch/Zero color pallet, must be intentional. I also just realized how similar she is to him now too. I hope that she goes in that direction now.

I like how you all interpret Homura's actions and feelings differently from each other. It's like this discussion will never end, we can all agree in the fact that she is 100% homo for Madoka though.

>>2108870
No, anon, they're just very very good friends who would change the world for each other.

*This is what some people actually believe

>>2108818
>As much as I enjoy discussing this stuff it gets pretty annoying having to explain it so often.

It gets doubly annoying when people act like it's all clear cut without interpretation.

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>>2108870
I think we certainly hope we all agree Homu is homo for Madoka.

It's far more important in any post-Rebellion works that Madoka and, to a lesser extent, the other girls come to understand Homura's actions and mind set. I'd be much happier with Homura doing everything wrong and being redeemed through Madoka's unambigous love than I would Homura doing everything right and being eternally condemed because no one understood her intentions

>>2108872
>Homura said love but she really meant friendship
>Madoka's straight because she said she wanted a husband (that looked and acted like her mom) in some pre-series promo material
>B-but Mami Tomoe's Everyday Life
>Most people are straight, so it makes sense that my characters in a fictional series about magical girls and scifi space rats adhere to real life

>>2108873
It would really help if someone could translate "Only You".

>>2108810
You should probably stop focusing on those last 30 or so minutes as the only bit of character development Homura had.

Sure, she has her dark moments but all in all I don't think self loathing is her defining characteristic. Is it an aspect of her personality? Sure, and I think everyone thinks negatively of themselves in at least some regards, but I think people take it to an unnecessary extreme when disusing Homura.
I won't even except that scene as Moemura in the series, because it was a witch making her think 'I should just die'. Witches have been shown to make perfectly healthy people want to kill themselves (see, the suicide party Hitomi was almost a part of)