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Kannazuki no Miko

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>"Hey anon, you like yuri and mecha right? You should watch Kannazuki no Miko"
>alright, sure
>get to the last episode
>whycan'tIstopcrying.png

Well, that was a lot sadder than I was expecting (the stinger ends things on a happier note, but still). Also I heard that the final battle kills orochi permanently and breaks the reincarnation loop, but that wasn't ever brought up in the episode, or even suggested really. Is that just fan theory?
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I give it an hour before KnM threads pop up on /a/ and /m/ and somebody starts copying and pasting replies between the three.
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Still among my favorites. One day I'll have an anime that surpasses it.

I hope. Japan, you can do it...
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>>2076665
I dunno, Kaishaku kept doing re-incarnations of Chikane and Himeko in other works, they could be prequels but i can't say for sure since i haven't read/watched any of them
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>>2076672
>implying anything that nice would ever happen
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>>2076665
It's juat a theory that was proven wrong unfortunately by Amnesian.
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>>2076665
Let's just get this out of the way

Stay far away from Amnesian

It's the infamous reincarnation of the couple that features the "Slutkane", here "Chikane" constantly gets herself into ecchi antics involving men

It's later revealed that it's actually not the Real Chikane, but still, it's not a pleasing sight if you're fan of the couple
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>>2076692
>>2076695
>>2076705
>re-incarnation sequels

Oh, that sounds neat, are any of them go-

>here "Chikane" constantly gets herself into ecchi antics involving men
what.
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>>2076706
Like i said, it's not the Real Chikane, Amnesian was intended as a typical ecchi/fanservice thing and not as a yuri manga, so just pretend it doesn't exist

The other sequels/prequels/reincarnations are actually good from what i've heard, i just wanted to get it out of the way right now if we're gonna have a KnM thread

Anyway, look into Kyoshiro to Towa no Sora, here they are a side couple, the main couple is het, but if you're a fan of Chikane x Himeko it's worth a watch

There's also Himegami no Miko, but it hasn't been fully translated IIRC

I also think there's another one but i don't remember the name
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>>2076708
>Anyway, look into Kyoshiro to Towa no Sora, here they are a side couple, the main couple is het, but if you're a fan of Chikane x Himeko it's worth a watch

More like if you're a fan it's worth finding the Kaon and Himiko scenes on Youtube or something.
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>>2076692
>>2076695
>>2076706
They're not sequels or prequels, it's just Kaishaku recycling the character designs for new series. Kannazuki wasn't even the first, there was another series before called Cross Triangle. It was shit.
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>>2076708
>There's also Himegami no Miko
isnt that just amnesia but with a different name?
every search i did only shows amnesia pictures
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Manga = incest end
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>>2076727
Um, no, Homegami no Miko is a novel

Here's the first chapter translated

https://kongetsume.wordpress.com/2010/06/15/guess-whos-back-back-again-along-with-%e5%a7%ab%e7%a5%9e%e3%81%ae%e5%b7%ab%e5%a5%b3-himegami-no-miko-chapter-1/
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>>2076665
my OTP
their gayness literally transcended fate
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KnM will always be GOAT

1. No bullshit ambiguity
2. Romance centered
3. Actual attempt at a plot
4. Male rival isn't a rapist plot device
5. God tier OP/ED and great OST in general
6. Simul run with manga therefore nobody knew what was going to happen
7. Pisses off hardcore Utena fans
8. Chikane Also placed her here because she's the 8th Neck, GET IT HA HA HA


The list goes on
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was it actually rape or just forced love?
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>>2076792
She wasn't the 8th neck, she just joined the Orochi as a priestess. There was no 8th neck, which is why that bird robot had no pilot.

>>2076803
It was most certainly sexual assault, but it was for a good cause.
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>>2076792
>Pisses off hardcore Utena fans
why?
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Does anyone know of other /u/ /m/ overlap stuff, whether it's similar in tone to KnM or not?
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>>2076883
Last time I checked, I think the list was:
-KnM
-Symphogears
-Simoun
-Nanoha (especially the later series)
-Some others I'm probably forgetting
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>>2076806
Not everything has to be explicitly spelled out.

>>2076803
I think the main thing people keep forgetting was how little self esteem Himeko had. This was someone who considered herself a literal doormat.

If Chikane had hurt those around her, Himeko would have blamed herself forever and never ever emotionally recovered. If Chikane seriously damaged Souma instead, then Himeko would have no support in combat.

So the best thing to do was giving into her already openly known (to the Orochi Necks at least) desire and assault Himeko directly instead. This way she turns herself into a convincing villain to the Orochi and doesn't cripple Himeko completely or the support around her, giving Himeko a chance to recover and accomplish what needed to be done.
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>>2076665
Could be a possibility.

Regardless, the last episode had me in fucking tears. This series is in the same tier as Strawberry Panic.
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>>2076692
>>2076695
This is one of the rare cases where I definitely prefer anime canon over the original manga.
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>>2076714
>More like if you're a fan it's worth finding the Kaon and Himiko scenes on Youtube or something.
This.

Kyoshiro to Towa no Sora is only worth watching if you want to see something that falls into "it's so terrible, it's good" category. Most of the anime original OAV shorts are actually pretty good, though.
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>An old Japanese myth says that if two star-crossed lovers commit dual suicide, they get reincarnated as twins.
I have no idea if that's actually true, but it would explain the manga ending.
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>>2076665
Okay, since were having a KnM thread right now, I want to ask something that's been bothering me since I first watched this anime.


How did THIS Chikane discover the cycle? Why wasn't it the last Chikane? Why couldn't it have been the next Chikane? What was different during that cycle?
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>>2077193
Anime: the hate for Ame No Murakumo brought up her painful memories faster
Manga: she's the orochi priestess so she awoke with the rest of the orochi
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>>2077179
Other series are other series, for fuck's sake. Just because KnM has reincarnation as a plot element doesn't mean everything ever is one canon.

>>2077197
Huh? I'm pretty sure in both versions she got her memories back after seeing Himeko kissing Souma. She turns "evil" immediately after. Must have been the emotional shock shaking up her mind.
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>>2076792
Also it had giant robots and that was cool.
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>>2076792
Why it pisses off Utena fans?
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>>2077193
I think every Chikane knew it. Not only this specific one.
But after she watched Himeko kissing Souma ( I perceieved it as she got hurt by it, and thus her memories came back), she remembered it in this lifetime. And then she decided to act crazy and make Himeko kill her.

I guess she knew it in every of her lifetimes as well, but she killed Himeko. Now, after killing her in these lifetimes, her pain grrew to the point of not being able to fullfil it anymore. So she tried to die herself insyead of Himeko
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>>2076727
Looks close, is totally different. It has a really good ending, too, and would easily be the best incarnation of Chikane and Himeko if we ever got it animated.

Too bad Amnesian happened and killed that hope deader than dead.

>>2076714
There's a whole cut with just the Kaon and/or Himiko scenes for a reason.
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>>2076792
>Actual attempt at a plot
Keyword: attempt. But to be fair I appreciate that it was not just a SoL.
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>>2077254
En el manga himeko pone fin a las reencarnaciones ( chikane en el anime) como sacerdotisas y se transforman en chicas comun y corrientes y quedan como hermanas incestuosas osea un Final feliz en el manga y anime KNM
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>>2077511
¿por qué respondiste en español?
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>>2077254
Wasn't she in on the Orochi plot in the first place? I thought that scene was just like her 'breaking point' or something. I think manga Chikane was more of a psycho than the anime Chikane, and when she saw that Himeko getting all kissy-kissy with someone else, she went 'nooo himeko is miiiine.' But since yuri is forbidden she just tries to get herself killed instead. (However, not before *making love* to Himeko, which, because I subscribe to DezoPenguin's analysis, had a lot of agenda in it.)
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>>2078565
She was with the Orochi as their priestess but when she met Himeko and fell for her she rebelled and worked to stop Orochi. The "realization" was every single painful memory of every time she had to kill Himeko flooding into her all at once.
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>>2078565
>>2078628
The manga had that whole "Orochi religion" thing that was headed by Chikane's grandfather that wanted to bring back Orochi, which I think Chikane knew about but wasn't really on board with? Or something. The anime just ignores all of that, which is probably for the best.
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>>2078628
So I read the whole thing again and I still don't think she had a flood of memories of killing Himeko. That was the anime. In the manga, she didn't need to remember anything because she already knew the ceremony of the priestesses and the orochi. The only time she had a flood of memories was during the time when Ame no Murakumo first called out to them in the earlier chapters.

>>2078735
She was on board. Until she discovered that Himeko was the Sun Priestess, that is. Yeah, the anime took a different route and it seemed more sad in the anime especially since Himeko doesn't get "a choice out of the eight worlds" and defy the conventional cycle of being separated after the sacrifice and restoration of the world. In the anime, the priestesses make a sacrifice to remake the world, period. In the manga, they're given a choice what kind of world they want. The manga was cringey for the most part but it had its merits.
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>>2077343

>Himegami

What was the ending?
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>reading a fanfic
>On chapter 8 or 8 multiples himeko gets raped
Why people do this?

Not that I'm complaining it gets me every time since the reason is mostly something stupid or just cuz
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Brand new fanart somebody posted on Pixiv today.
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>>2080361
That's so beautiful!

Man! I'm so sick of this. Kannazuki should get a remake as soon as possible. And that should include better art quality, and more gayness.
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>>2080108
Happy.
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>>2085871
>Happy Ending KnM
Please tell me there's a full translation I can get somewhere.
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>>2085979

When did KnM not end happy?
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>>2085995
I know the stinger at the end of the anime is supposed to be this, but I always thought of it as more of a depressing or fatalistic thing. yeah they meet/fall in love again, but eventually orochi will come back and they'll have to kill one another again as part of the cycle. Like it comes off more as a brief, temporary moment in between the inevitable dark/sad parts rather than anything lasting.
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>>2086021
KNM tuvo un final feliz en el anime y manga porque el ciclo fue anulado por chikane (anime) y himeko (manga)
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>>2086072
>KNM had a happy ending in the anime and manga because the cycle was canceled by Chikane (anime) and himeko (manga)
I can't speak for the manga since I haven't read it, but there was nothing in the anime to suggest that the cycle was broken (unless the subs I used missed it, which admittedly is possible).

Anyways, this is besides the point. The important question is whether or not there's a full/finished translation of Himegami (someone posted a link earlier in the thread, but it only had the first chapter).
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>>2086083

They killed him instead of sealing him. Pretty big difference.

Also the killing was done by one of its Necks, further adding onto the permanent solution theory.
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>>2086089
>rewatch ep 12
>ogami clearly blows up orochi
That's... actually a lot more straightforward than I remembered (I guess it's hard to notice that sort of stuff when you spent the last 10-15mins crying?). If you combine that with the assumption that other versions of the characters are AU/noncanon, I guess I could see that theory working.
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>>2085979
There isn't one. It came out around the same time as Amnesian, so everyone dropped it like hot coal, nobody picked it up again.
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>>2086145

Allegedly summaries have always floated around /u/ though.
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only anime where the male ( Souma ) loses against Chikane :D
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>>2093394
LOL, Souma was a pretty cool guy, but he should have just given up and hooked up with his brother.
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言えない、聞けない、見えない、魔法のしいたけ!
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>>2090915
Summaries aren't translations - I've made some of those summaries myself.

It had everything, even this. A shame Amnesian buried any chance for an anime.
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So I'm FINALLY watching the first episode for the first time, and no explanation seems to be forthcoming for why both of the top students have suddenly taken interest in this fucking random nobody, both on the same day. Am I missing something? Or is this just another show where the protagonist is somehow special merely by virtue of being the protagonist?
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>>2097867
>Am I missing something?
It'll be explained in later episodes.
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>>2097867

You're not seriously asking why the first episode of a series didn't explain all the character backgrounds and relationships, right?
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>>2097867
They were interested in her before the first episode.
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>>2097867
>both of the top students have suddenly

Yes, you're missing later episodes.
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After 5 years I still think it's one of the worst pieces of shit I've seen story-wise.

It's a clusterfuck ridden with unnecessary elements, like the mecha, the villains, side-plots that go nowhere, and the unecessary male "lead" too.

It's actually on par with Ga-Rei Zero in terms of story quality.
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>>2098069
> After 5 years I still think it's one of the worst pieces of shit I've seen story-wise.
> It's a clusterfuck ridden with unnecessary elements, like the mecha, the villains, side-plots that go nowhere, and the unecessary male "lead" too.
> It's actually on par with Ga-Rei Zero in terms of story quality.

It sure brings out the tears in people like you, which is a good thing. Love how long animesuki forum users cried about it too - poor Souma, they whined.
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>>2098069
Lesbians automatically make everything at least 10 times better.
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>>2098069
I agree.

I appreciate the legacy it's left subsequent yuri shows (including subtext ones), but the show itself is terrible.
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>>2098069
I bet you're just a pussy who can't appreciate the purest form of love, which is lesbian rape.
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>>2098069

One of the worst posts and lamest attempts at critique I've ever read right here.
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>>2098051
I was just looking for assurance that this WILL be explained, because I've seen anime where this sort of bullshit ISN'T explained.
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>>2098092
I like that KnM is not just some boring SoL about girls going to school, at least it tried to have a plot.
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>>2098069
I don't agree.
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So I finally got around to finishing the first episode, and it just seems really dumb. I mean, I've always kind of disliked mecha. But even for mecha, it seemed unusually stupid. I'll give the second episode a chance, but if I didn't like the first, is there much hope for me liking the rest of the series?
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>>2098092
It really isn't, thankfully. It could have been a lot better, of course, but it still represents the pinnacle of yuri in anime for many people.

Hey, don't get me wrong, I really want an anime that outdoes it properly. Been waiting for that since 2004. We're getting subtext instead, sadly. At least Nights of Azure came close.
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>>2104838
I think that the first half as a whole is pretty weak, but I still ended up enjoying it quite a bit. The last third is where things get great.
It is very influential but I understand not wanting to wade through the pretty bad first half to get the good stuff.
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>>2104857
>At least Nights of Azure came close
As in the PS4 game? That the only search result that's coming up for me.
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>>2105393
Yes, it's a game for the PS4, PSVita and PS3

However, only the PS4 version has been localised
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Simoun is way better as a Yuri
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>>2105425
Shaddup, and fuck off. KNM is the best yuri series ever.
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>>2104838
Make your own decisions, it's not that difficult.
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>Zettai Shoujo-Bullshit
What makes me hate it the most is how beautifully and fluently it destroyed Chikane's character.
The main traits that made Chikane so loved in KNM were her nobility, elegance, reservedness,
Playfulness(not shamelessness), and the calm and gentle way she treated Himeko(early episodes). The Zettai Slutkane has no shame, no respect, no elegance, and is a complete slut in the entire meaning of the word.
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>>2109489
*Maybe* it's because that character is not Chikane? She's just a slut goddess who took Chikane's appearance for some dumb reason and then got amnesiac. The real Chikane appears at the end of the manga and she's the same old Chikane.
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>>2109572
She only appears at the end? That sounds so shit.
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>>2109489
>The Zettai Slutkane has no shame, no respect, no elegance, and is a complete slut in the entire meaning of the word.

She literally wasn't Chikane, though - she seriously was a fake, because Kaishaku.
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>>2109628
Yes, it was. But it's true. The one you think is Chikane is seen here in a flashback - the third girl with the bright hair.

I will never stop being annoyed that the actual yuri manga they originally wanted to do before Amnesian was rejected.
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>>2109643
It's quite tragic.
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>>2109646
is there more to that? if so, i beg of you to share!
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>>2110337
Not much more around - Kaishuko only ever showed a few of these pages. It's a crying shame, a manga with top!Himeko seducing Chikane over and over would have made my day.
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>>2109643
>>2110464
Amnesian: It Literally Ruined Everything
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>>2105425
Your opinion girl.
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http://www.himegami.com/
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i just finished marathoning this.

man what's up with crazy lesbians and several headed snakes?
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>>2114888
Penis envy metaphor.
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>>2114896
>>>/a/
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>>2076665
I know how you feel OP. Eveone keeps saying how KnM is shit, and I'm here like "I couldn't stop feelling sad and emotional all during the damn anime"

Seriously, KnM is one of my top yuri-feels indusing animes ever. If not the top.
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>>2076714
I didn't even what Kyoshiro anime. i only watched the scenes between Chaon and Himiko on YT
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>>2114926
Anon is right, though.
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>>2076792
>Pisses off hardcore Utena fans
Not going to lie, I'm curious. Why did it piss them off?
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>>2114896
>>>/freud/
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>>2114888
>>2121868

That's nothing, if you've ever seen Kyoshiro to Towa no Sora, from the same people and including, as side characters, Himeko and Chikane stand ins, there's at least one scene with what's clearly meant to evoke Chikane that should make your Freud detectors fucking explode.
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>>2098069
I thought the mecha was fine. Clearly they wanted to have the story's primary conflict ongoing while the protagonists continued something which, if you squint, resembles a normal day-to-day life. The mechs solve this problem by allowing single combat on a large scale while concealing the combatants' identities, i.e, Souma smashes the school in the first episode while aboard his mech and, while just about everyone saw it, almost nobody knew it was him so he doesn't have to go on the lam or whatever. It probably wasn't the most elegant solution but if I recall from the fore-or-after-word of the manga Kaishaku also wanted to experiment with doing a mecha series as they hadn't done that before, so that's the one they settled on.

It wasn't even properly 'mecha', anyway, which is technically 'real robot' like Gundam or Macross where the mechs are machines in the same way that a tank or jet fighter are machines and not some magical bullshit.
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>>2109646
>>2110464

I didn't think I could hate Amnesian anymore that I did but here we are.

>>2126230

I thought the mecha were there because they liked Zeorymer.
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>>2109643
>I will never stop being annoyed that the actual yuri manga they originally wanted to do

Which was what again?

Also listening Resublimity and Agony again today felt like they took me back in time ten years. What a thrill
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>>2126230
I liked the mecha parts, as far as giving the anime more interesting padding. They could have been done a lot better and been connected to the story better but hey...Less melancholy drama is always great.
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>>2132957
One of the main reasons I fuckijg love KnM was how "normal" of a story it was. The mecha and the ancient evil plot in the backdrop contributed greatly to that.

Look at almost any recent mainstream hits. You get smaller, character focused pieces early on that gradually shift to bigger scaled plot points and they ultimately get resolved together. KnM did exactly that, but instead of the dashing yet misunderstood hero saving the day and getting his girl, it's about two girls instead.
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>>2132964
Which is why I loved it then and love it now.
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>>2132974
And we might not get a series like it again, at least not for a long time. Valkyrie Drive could have been it but while it was physical, it didn't pack enough emotions, at least not for me.

KnM just fucking nailed so many romance/emotional moments perfectly, despite obviously having some flaws of its own. Even after all these years I can still rattle off a few scenes just from memories alone, and while I admit they might sound a bit corny or dramatic without the appropriate context, but back in the days, they had me gasping or nearly in tears when I was watching them for the first time, second time, and even numerous repeats after.
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>>2132978
Yeah, that's why I still like it a lot. It's by no means perfect, that's for sure, and I keep hoping for something like this again outside of manga or books.
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>>2104838
The 'happy birthday' scene is probably the hottest yuri kiss of all time, so there's that.
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>>2126230
>Super Robot isn't properly mecha
That's the biggest bullshit I've heard
What the fuck are you even talking about?
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>>2133331
I dunno, the naked apocalyptic car luge kiss from the Utena movie just edges above the happy birthday kiss for me. But Souma yelling like an idiot in the background while Chikane macks all over Himeko does give me extra amused satisfaction.
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>>2134895
The Utena movie was pure comedy from start to finish
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>>2134907
It was a wild ride. Haters love to harp on the surrealness/symbolism and call it pretentious, but honestly they're the ones who're taking themselves way too seriously if they can't find the humor of it. And damn if that dancing bit wasn't one of the most gorgeous anime scenes I'd ever seen.

Not to mention one of my fondest memories is showing the movie to one of my friends - then a newbie to anime - and watching her complete WTF reaction. Hilarious.
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>>2134895
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dont die
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>>2134919

Souma did nothing wrong
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>>2143614
That's completely true. His intentions were always good and his actions were always reasonable given the circumstances and the information he had. He's a good guy and didn't deserve to get hurt, but he unknowingly put himself in a situation where that was inevitable. Even then, he was a very graceful loser when the time came and had no regrets. He deserves respect.
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>>2143614
Entirely true. He's actually a non-shitty character, it has a reason so many people ship him with Yukihito.
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>>2109643
>>2109646
>>2110464

Huh never knew about this. Guess I can transfer some of my hate to whoever decided Amneisan was the better pitch.
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>>2114896
>>2121794
Oh clearly it's not like there's any nods toward Japanese legends or anything. These prominent lesbians just wish they had cocks.
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>>2133331
Does anyone have that gif where Chikane puts the envelope in Himeko's cleavage?
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>>2144437
Well, it's butthurt /a/nons, what do you expect.
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>>2144439
>gif
Oneesama, please.
Here you go.
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>>2145209
Gifs are easier to view through mobile still though thank you.
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>>2145209
>tfw cannot detach buttons on a girl using only the letter envelop
>tfw I'll never be an onee-sama
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>>2145319
Being alpha isn't for everyone.
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I just finished watching this. I expected more. It was quite boring and all around awful, the few good yuri scenes aside. The mechs, male protagonist, and everything was horribly unnecessary and the plot was never explained at all... I take it this relates to some japanese cultural story the viewer is expected to know?
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>>2145698
>male protagonist
>plot was never explained
>using ...

Are you even trying anon?
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Chikane. Himeko. The rape. I'm sorry but what the fuck?
I would've like the series more if they got rid of that

>INB4 go tumblr yourself, rape=love cause it's okay
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>>2145716
Two reasons. One: Chikane wanted Himeko to hate her, so that she wouldn't feel any remorse for killing her. Two: in the manga version, the rape took place in the cave where they were trying to summon Ame no Murakumo. Himeko was a virgin, and when she...bled...it served as a catalyst to summon it. In the anime, due to the changed location and how the summoning of Ame no Murakumo changes function, it's much more just the first reason and wanting to keep the event in the anime too.
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>>2145716
You've completely misinterpreted why Chikane did that to Himeko.
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>>2145698
WTF...Soma had more chemistry with his brother, then actual Himeko. He anint a protagonist. More like a major character.
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>>2145732
I would go as far to say decoy protagonist. He was the typical hot blooded male character in s mecha anime. But the focus was on Himeko and Chikane making them the true protagonists.
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>>2145736
He was completely out of place and unneeded.
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>>2153040
>unneeded.
d/a but speak for yourself, I deeply enjoyed seeing him get rekt. Even though he ended up begin gracious about it.
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happy birthday to my OTP Chikane and Himeko
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>>2153040
Dumbass. Souma was a great part of the love triangle. It's the fact that he's not a bad dude and yet Himeko still chose a vagina over him that made Chikane's victory all the sweeter. All the NTR in this show was only possible thanks to his existence (kiss in ep1, rape in ep8, love in ep 12).
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>>2153040

The story wouldn't have been nearly as satisfying without him.
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>>2153040
I agree. show would have been far better if it were female only.
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>>2153805
>>2153040
>the tumblr generation
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>>2153691
>>2153557
>>2153076
I enjoyed seeing Chikane kill him in the manga :x
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>>2153890
Purityfags who can't stand the sight of men or bisexuality* are like the opposite of tumblr.

*In case this isn't >>2153040 and >>2153805's motivation, I apologize sincerely.
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>>2153952
>bisexuality
What?
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>>2153973
Didn't Himeko like Souma?
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>>2153890
I am purityfag and I am no where near Tumblr.
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>>2153557
I've become a sadist. Watching hetshit men get pushed out of the side for /u/ girls makes me giggle hysterically.
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>>2153980
Not romantically. She cried and ran away when they kissed. She was just playing along since he was a nice, upstanding guy but ultimately couldn't see him as more than a friend.
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>>2153952

>>2153557 here. I consider myself a purityfag, but as you can see I greatly enjoyed Souma. Chikane has Himeko's virginity and is the endgame. Souma never got to the good bits and is the ultimate cuck. So there's no trigger.

Till this day, I still can't find another perfect specimen like him in yuri. The male love rivals of the lesbians always fall into 2 categories: 1) Douchebag or 2) Non-threatening. Souma is not a douchebag and is legitimately threatening to Chikane's chances of winning the Himekobowl. I can't imagine liking this show so much without him.
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>>2076803
It's rape. No matter the motive, all nonconsensual sexual contacts are rape.

>>2076893
Your answer has nothing to do with that oneesama's question though. She's not asking why Chikane did that nor whether it is sympathetical.

As for whether it is sympathetical or not, it's up to individual values, as long as they're clear on the facts:

- Chikane raped Humeko in order to make the girl hate her enough to kill her. It's literally to save Himeko's life, as twisted as it sounds. And as you explained, there's no better options.

- But the rape did have a partial selfish motive, not completely selfless. Chikane indulged in her desire plus saving Himeko as a one-stone-two-birds action.

So knowing that, whether one can forgive Chikane or not really depends on their acceptance of the selfish part. I personally forgive her because she didn't wish for forgiveness with excuses (despite having a good excuse). She's paying for her deed with her life, and I think that's very respectable.
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>>2154005
>Chikane indulged in her desire

You dont know that.
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>>2154021
When judging a character, always consider the worst scenario. If I can love Chikane even if she did enjoy raping Himeko, then I'm secure in my perception of her. It's better than being in denial of a very real possibility. What, am I going to not like her anymore if she was somewhat selfish? Fucking fickle.
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Just finished this series. It was alright, I guess the anime end was a happy end. But it didn't feel satisfying for some reason.
I guess I'm just tired of these kinds of endings in yuri series.
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