Puella Magi Madoka Magica

Could someone post a summary Vol 3 Tart Magica? I'm quite curious about the formation of the group Tart.

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I always wonder why Sayaka's body type is in the most flux of the megucas. Mami is pretty much always jailbait, MadoHomu are pretty much always pushing loli (unless we're talking ascended forms), Kyoko is a tiny teen pretty much all the time and Nagisa is permaloli.

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>>2063722
Sayaka's basically right in the part of puberty where the body changes the most. Her boobs are growing, but her body hasn't quite filled out.

All I really insist on when I see art is that Sayaka needs to be taller than Kyouko, even if only by an inch.

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Chu~

Don't interact with him, he wants attention.

>>2063762
This should honestly be standard operating procedure by now.

>>2063722
Madoka is the only one pushing loli. Even if Homura has a perfect flat chest, her presence gives off maturity.

>>2063323
Everyone x Mami is my favorite ship.

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>>2063732
Eh? I was pretty sure they were about the same height. Kyouko even looks taller in Rebellion.

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>>2063818
Nah, Kyouko's ahoge/ponytail/ribbons make her look taller but in absolute terms she's a touch shorter.

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>>2063820
She looks taller than Sayaka here. Is made even more clear since they're standing back-to-back.plus Sayaka wears boots with heels.

>>2063831
And darn it I couldn't find a better pic (since I'm on my phone) but there's a shot from farther away where you can see it more clearly

>>2063831
I remember the first time I saw Rebellion I thought that it was a nice touch how Kyouko and Homura (having been alive) had grown a bit whereas Sayaka and Madoka hadn't. However, on further inspection it seems to be more a matter of inconsistent animation rather than deliberate progression.

>>2063851
Homura definitely grew a bit, at least. I don't think I can find it but on the Rebellion design sheet her boobs have definitely gotten bigger and she got a bit taller.

>>2063851
I also noticed Homura's increase in height. Kyouko's isn't that noticeable, but it is noticeable that she reached Sayaka's height and may have even outgrown her.

>>2063855
Homura grew in more places than just her height.

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>>2063861
Really? I totally missed that.

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>>2063851
I think the animation was less Ume and more "realistic". That may have been why. Homura's face isn't as wide as compared to the series.

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>>2063913
Series for comparison. It looks like an art shift.

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Reposting from the last thread because it was kill pretty much the moment I posted it. Fanfic suggestion, KyouSaya.

Warning for /u/ purists, there's quite a lot of non-/u/ content even if KyouSaya will likely end up endgame. Quite a lot of OCs as well but doesn't focus on their perspective like a lot of other fics do. A very engaging read, though.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10674850/1/Chewing-on-Diamonds

>>2064035
Can confirm, this fic is great. It has some edgy DRAMA bits, but the prose and characters are engaging as hell.

Madoka fits well with true crime for some weird reason.

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>>2063762
Who wants attention?

>>2064035
Just to be sure; is there a lot of het sex?

>>2064074
There's at least two-three explicit moments, one of which is pedophilia, but at least as many yuri sequences. They're mostly for character development/backstories.

And really, it's worth a read even skipping over the sex scenes. Most of them aren't integral to the plot - the pedophilia section even has a warning to skip over it if you're uncomfortable.

>>2064075
Yeah I don't want to miss out on essential character development. I'll give it a try nonetheless. Thanks for the heads up.

Does it update frequently?

>>2064091
The author tries for every month and a half to two months, though this latest chapter was a while in the making. The chapters are long as heck, though.

>>2064092
There's this other fic I'm following that hasn't updated since January. Long running Kyousaya fics have a tendency of being dropped. True suffering.

>>2063913
>>2063914
Looks just as wiiiiiiide to me. She only looks older because of those bags under her eyes and that dead look.

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Check out Ultimate Gretchen's beefy arms.

Source: http://tirat.hatenablog.jp/entry/2016/05/02/170111

>>2064035
>will likely end up endgame

As long as this is not confirmed I will avoid a fanfic like that.

>>2064186
>fanfic is tagged Kyouko/Sayaka
>expecting it not to be end game

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Post lewd or cute or lewd AND cute cat girl meguca couples!

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>>2064035
Well I started reading it and while it does have some glaring grammatical, sentence structure and punctuation errors, I am really, really enjoying it.
>200k words
even better!

>>2064283
They're the kinds of errors you get because of insufficient editing, though, not because the writer can't write.

>>2064401
It's important to note they also have an official manga where alll the girls are sisters and one where Kyouko and Homura are a dog and cat respectively. Mami Tomoe's Everyday life is as canon as any of the other ridiculous spin offs.

>>2064401
The Mami comic is non-canon. Simple as that.

All the characters are basically shadows, perversions of there true main universe selves. It's a horrid comic that deserves to be purged for heresy!

>>2064035
>>2064283
Here's a shorter fic with a decent amount of /u/. I thought it was pretty cute and also pretty emotionally gripping at some points.
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11418258/1/Meet-The-Parents

>>2064401
>Uses baking soda to cleanse soul gem
Yeah, you bet anon. It's canon as fuck.

I will admit HomuTatsuya made me laugh.

>>2064435
>HomuTatsuya
Who the hell let that happen? Even in a spinoff that's just blatant disregard for homuras character

>>2064323
I'm not saying it's bad, the narrative is excellent despite the flaws in what I mentioned.

>>2064454
Who the hell knows. The focus is all on Mami though. The author's original doujin that MTEL is based on even makes reference to all of them being gay. Mami says "Wait, I thought y'all weren't into guys?" I think he just wanted a scenario where no one would have time to visit or hang out with Mami. We never even see the husbands. There's a sub plot where Madoka is engaged, but it's just used to crap on Mami even more.

On the other hand of course, Homura is unambiguously craving Madoka's pussy in Homura-Tamura.

What's with the influx of KyouMado recently? Is there some sort of special event in Japan that I'm not aware of?

>>2064466
What influx? I haven't seen anything on Pixiv or Twitter. And Aoi Yuuki openly fan girls about Kyouko. I think that's a main reason KyouMado stuff even exists.

>>2064468
4 works on Pixiv just today and yesterday as opposed to 1 work every 2 months.

>>2064469
What are you searching? I see only one from the past 10 days.

>>2064469
Nvm. It's literally one artist's album..

>>2064283
>"Kyouko-onii-chan!"
I know what you mean. It does ease up, thankfully.

>>2064426
>https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11418258/1/Meet-The-Parents

When is this going to be finished?

>>2064720
Good quedtion have not seen hat since last year

Any good Madoka crossover fics with Yuri? Somthing dark would be good.

>>2064800
It's a squares and rectangles sort of deal. You can post all /u/ fics in the fanfic general, but stuff for a fandom that has it's own general is typically posted in said general. The fanfic general covers stuff that doesn't have it's own general, discussing writing of /u/ fics, and asking for recommendations without care for fandom or for fandoms that don't have a general.

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>>2064807
It's not like we have any new content to talk about right now, sis.

>>2064100

Which fic is that?

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Watching Madoka made me realize how fucking vanilla I am.

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>>2064857
How so?

>>2064848

Recommending this be added to the OP for future threads.

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>>2064860
I find Madoka and Homura's relatively boring relationship outside of the suffering story to be perfect. I imagine them holding hands while watching the sun set or just walking around the park together or makinglove underneath the covers. I can see why people find KyouSaya more fun and interesting, but I just enjoy nice and stable MadoHomu. And I'm a sucker for tragic love stories of fate and destiny, so their in-story relationship has me hooked.

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>>2064866
There's so much tragedy standing in the way of MadoHomu that even them kissing reaches level of super lewd for other couples.

>>2064426
>romantic comedy shenanigans once the parents come into play
Well I'm not finishing that.

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>>2064878
It's pretty good, you're missing out

>>2064876
Reconciliation - ice cream
Confession - whip cream
Kiss - cherry on top

>>2064885
What about ice cream sandwiches?

>>2064883
I have very little tolerance for such shenanigans.

>>2064891
MadoHomuKyouSayaMamiNagi orgy.

Does anyone else here really like the Wraith Arc? It really seems like it should have been the second season of the show (hope it's canon). Its not only filled with Yuri, it arguably semi-canonized the dark Madoka thing thats been in so many fandom works, in the form of WraithMadoka.

>>2064903
I will hold off on final judgmenet until the series is complete. It has some issues, but I am enjoying it. Watching Homura suffer and her being seduced by MadoWraith last chapter really tugged on my heart strings. Chapter 7 out this month!

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>>2064894
Which shenanigans are you referring to?
Btw, the story does fall on some more serious notes a bit later. There's a certain graveyard scene which nearly made me cry. Somehow the silliness of some chapters, then followed with those more dramatic ones gave it a lot more impact.
To each her own but I really liked the story myself and you should finish it before making too a strong a judgement...
...well, technically you can't actually finish it because it's not done yet, but it does resolve most things where it lets off.

>>2064907
I powered through it and finished up the fic.

Also the whole thing about Kyoko meeting Sayaka's parents for the first time with Sayaka freaking the fuck out and dodging the issue before Kyoko spills the beans.

Also the author forgot about magical girl telepathy.

>>2064903
It seems more ambitious and less amateurish than the other stuff sans Oriko.
I'm interested to see where it goes

>>2064903
It gave me a warm, excited feeling that reminded me of when I was really into Madoka. It's not perfect but it's a good way to fill the gap until something manifests from the concept movie.

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>>2064903
>Yuri
>That soul gem kiss
There were more than a few times I forgot this was official.

>>2064914
I know right. Not only is wraithchan seductive, her choice of words are pretty...revealing about Homura.

"Because no matter how painful that world was...Homura-Chans beloved was there..."

>>2064922
Homura got pissed when she said that too. They kept talking about "feelings", and I was worried they were going to just keep teasing it. But no, they went there and I'm actually pretty glad.

>>2064937
-cont-
I also think it's something she just doesn't really want to admit to herself yet.

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>>2064903
I think it's pretty good even if I think it was too bad that Sayaka died so soon. Latest chapter was powerful and better than I had expected coming out of wraith arc.

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>>2064866
Probably the main reason why I never got hooked on MadoHomu despite Homu being my favorite Meguca for the longest of times. It's true that I think of KyouSaya as more "fun" but it does have its fair share of drama and tragedy also.

>>2065014
Yeah they've got the whole old married couple arguing thing down along with their general roughness with each other.

Plus Sayaka herself is a far easier target to gaygnst and her parents are unknowns so you can do more with them in the story. Cus Homura may as well be an orphan if she isn't actually one, kyoko is definitely an orphan, and Madoka's parents are way too fucking awesome to be a problem.

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>>2065017
>her parents are unknown
Those two adults sitting next to her at the concert weren't her parents?

>Homura may as well be an orphan
It's confirmed that she was raised in a Catholic convent from the time she was a baby.

>>2065020
unknowns as in we don't really know shit about them, not their faces.

Granted I forgot they showed their faces, but I feel like that kinda speaks for itself.

Also where was that confirmed?

>>2065020
>catholic convent

Japan really thinks that catholics are 100% raging lesbians, don't they

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>>2065021
>Also where was that confirmed
Some audo commentary I think?

>>2065024
It's more fun to imagine a devout Christian girl ending up as a lesbian.

>>2064426
>fic that has't updated since December
No thanks, I can't commit myself to such thing.

>>2064822
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/6897900/1/A-Happy-Dream
Since December actually.

>>2065017
Isn't their theme called "lovers'quarrel" in battle pentagram?

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>>2065017
>Madoka's parents are way too fucking awesome to be a problem.

>>2064903
I'm not sold on it yet and the writing, despite being better than a few of the side story manga, still isn't all that good. And, while we've had the discussion before, I'm pretty against it being absolute canon unless explicitly stated. Also also, I'm glad it wasn't the second season or part of the continuation project - what we've seen from the concept movies has been infinitely better.

That said, it's interesting and brings up some good concepts and scenes. Dark Madoka stuff is always fun, and
>that soul gem kiss

I'll wait to pass total judgement til it's finished, though

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>>2065020
>It's confirmed that she was raised in a Catholic convent from the time she was a baby.

>No parental love from the time she was born
>No friends
>No confidence
>No support or love from anyone
>Finds the single person who she loves and who loves her back
>Said girl dies 100+ times.

Knowing that Homu was an orphan adds even more fuel to the fire of her suffering. She needs a thousand hugs.

Also, adding more HomuKyo friendship fuel; both were raised in a religious Christian environment.

>>2065272
Even if it's debatably canon, the thing I'm taling from it is: Homura didn't stand a chance post series and platonic/hetfags are BTFOd in regard to KyouSaya and MadoHomu.

>>2065284
I believe it's stated in the PSP game. Because Urobuchi worked on and supervised the script for the PSP, I think it's safe to say tgat detait might as well be canon as it fills in that gap of knowledge. The clara dolls resembling dolls Homura played with as a child add to that Catholic orphange detail.

That said, Homura needs some serious ai yo.

>>2065398
You say that like those fags had any chance arguing against madohomu by the end of the show and against kyosaya by rebellion.

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>>2065284
Something I'd be delighted by is if Homu and Kyouko became best buds. But that sounds like a stretch by this point.

>>2065438
Kyoko was fairly close to Homura in Rebellion and if any of the girls are going to be sympathetic towards homura in whatever events happen post rebellion, it's likely to be Kyoko.

>>2065436
It's all merchandise and pandering./s

>>2064866
Isn't it lovely how they'd easily have the smoothest and perfectest relationship in the history of two people liking each other very much, if only it wasn't for destiny, godhood and a galactic empire of asshole muppets forcing them apart?

>>2065438
>God, my life sucked. If your listening, please give me a happy dream.

One can say Homura and Kyouko would be retreating from reality by prefering the dream world, but Madoka and Sayaka with their nealy perfect lives and mostly regretless wishes don't have any right to be telling them that.

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>>2065443
True, if Homura were to open up to somebody, I can easily see that person being Kyouko.

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>>2065448
They'll figure it out. They still need understand each others wants and needs.

>>2065450
I'm just wondering why Mami would prefer to go back to her lonely life where all her friends are dead except Kyouko instead of staying in this (almost) perfect world. I can see Sayaka changing sides depending on what Kyouko decides on. Madoka will obviously reconcile with Homura.

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>>2065284
>being friends with a Papist

>>2065454
Muh maturity or something like that.

>>2065450
>tfw Rebellion was already being foreshadowed back then

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>>2065455
>implying Kyouko wouldn't turn into the Antichrist for her bro

>>2065454
>Homura choosing to spend eternity with Madoka because there's nowhere else she'd rather be
>Sayaka choosing to say fuck the rules and reunite with team stoplight
>Bebe somehow sticking around
I would be fine with this.

>>2065454
I don't think it's about preference, but about doing what's right.

Plus she found Madokaism so she's not SUPER upset over her friends dying off.

>>2065523
It really comes down to there being actual tangible consequences to Homura's actions. And I think there are some major one's hinted.

Homura and Kyouko were already best bros in the series. No one else really understood each other except them, and they were always hanging around the other and chatting. It's just Homrua was a mental wreck and Kyouko ended up with a bad case of lesbians with Sayaka that took priority.

>>2065549
>Homura and Kyouko were already best bros in the series.
I'm going to have to object to this.
Homura and Kyouko were allies out of necessity. Kyouko may have respected Homura, but Homura did not care one bit for her other than how she could be useful in killing Walpugis

>>2065568
>Homura did not care one bit for her other than how she could be useful in killing Walpugis

They weren't best bros, but you're also going too far too. The final timeline is a poor representation of how Homura feels about anyone because by that point things have completely gone to shit. Homura and Kyouko aren't friends in the Sayaka and Madoka sense, but I do believe they have a mutual respect for each other. Homura is still affected by Mami's death and is saddened by Kyouko's death, though she tries to hide ot in front of Madoka. She outright mourns Kyouko's death in Eternal. While I don't buy the whole "Movies are an alternate canon" line by Shinbo, I do think the small changes in the movies portray the friendships between cast better than in the series.

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1/3

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>>2065591
2/3

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>>2065592
3/3
>Hitomi NTRs Sayaka
>Hitomi attempts to NTR Madoka
Why is Hitomi such a shitty human being?

>>2065595
>Why is Hitomi such a shitty human being?
She has a clitboner for forbidden love.

And what's more forbidden than cucking your best friends by fucking the people they love?

>>2065599
She's supposed to have a role next project. But I don't know if this is a "role" in the same way she had a role in Rebellion or if her character will be (pointessly) expanded.

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>>2063913
>>2064104

Somebody say W I D E?

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>>2065637
WIDE
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>>2065595
To be fair I feel like it would be hard to not be at least a little attracted to Homu.

Unfortunately for Hitomi the one gay girl she felt any attraction to happened to be time looping for someone who was not her. Tough luck.

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>>2065666
Madoka was the only one who showed her love when she was pretty much useless. In a way it's only fitting that Homura ignore everyone who's only interested in her when she's "perfect".

>>2065549
They were never shown to be that close. We only got as far as Homura relying on Kyouko the most out of the girls. And Kyouko's death is what got to her the most (aside from Madoka's)

I did like that Kyouko had such an easy time understanding Homura's need to protect Madoka shown by her comment to Homura before she died.

I think this may be a reason why Homura created the perfect circumstances for Kyouko to be with Sayaka.

>>2065595
Hitomi NTR'd Sayaka to divert her attenition from that faggot. Hitomi really just wants to have Sayaka all to herself. She doesn't really care about violin.

The problem was Sayaka got killed before Hitomi could confess and now she's stuck with her choice. Also Kyouko beat her to it.

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>>2065609
>death scythe
Hmm, I wonder what her wish will be about?

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[Abutomato] Nightmare Hitori Aruki (how dare them make Mami into a rapist!)
http://exhentai.org/g/939942/68a691dd79/

>>2065899
Simple its because she's a gun user

>>2065899
Mami would never do that. It's absolutely unthinkable.

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Heres this. I scanned it a while ago, but was trying to find somewhere to commission to have it translated.
Seems like everyone who can do it is backed up with other commission by at least a few weeks so here's the raw.
Anyway, enjoy.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9PIRn-nS_QkRUE5clFtemVTWDQ

>>2065830
>Not Hitummy

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>>2065899
It was just a dream

>>2065931
thanks

>>2065925
Ayanero Taicho.. search it.

>>2066033
Her recent work has been great now.

>>2066038
Was there a time when it wasn't?

I never thought Mami and Nagisa were supposed to be paired up.

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>>2066086
The only reason Nagisa exists is so Mami has someone to be paired up with.
Not that I'm complaining

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>>2066086
Paired romantically is debatable, but they're definitely a pairing.

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>>2066093
I was talking about being paired romantically. They definitely don't give off that vibe. Not saying that you aren't allowed to ship them.

>>2066094
I know they aged her up from 8 to 12 in Rebellion. If there is any sort of time skip, I wouldn't be surprised. But as far as I can tell in canon, Mami doesn't have a romantic pairing.

>>2066083
I thought their early portrayal of Mami was sorta unsettling.

>>2066086
Mami is paired with Nagisa respectfully.
However, it's up to the viewer to how they want to portray their relationship.
Romantic is a sweet portrayal, with small pecks and snuggles.

>>2066130
It wasn't significantly different than how she's portrayed in the PSP game. But yeah, the Cruel Girl Visionary Replay collection outside of the one shots was depressing.

>>2065830
If considering the Wraith Arc is possible that her desire to be in relation to Sayaka and she try to keep the world of Homura working for Sayaka not return. Since I saw Hitomi looking Sayaka and feeling guilty for what she did, I came to mind that she was digging a hole that hardly she would come out and at the time wraith Sayaka appeared, in my opinion she passed the point of no return to have a normal life. Knowing that her actions killed her friend will make her have guilt in her whole life, but know that there is literally monsters that can disguise itself in people, it is easy to imagine that she turn paranoid and that the only people she can talk about it they are magical girls.

I always interrupted Mami being so lonely and loathsome, she was willing to throw Madoka, and Sayaka into danger for no reason other then selfish desire to no longer be alone. She was a horrible person.

>>2066196
She's a subversion of the typical senpai character. Homura is asking her to not put the girls in danger and immediately begins to accuse her wanting to eliminate competition. She was willing to push Madoka to make a stupid wish despite knowing full well the consequences of being meguca. Ayane's early doujinshi highlighted that: Mami pushed Madoka into wishing for a cake and Mami is the one who goes batshit.

That's also a reason I'm not particularly thrill woth Mami being the central character of the next work.

>>2066198
>despite knowing full well the consequences of being meguca.
She doesn't know the full consequences though.
She goes insane when she learns it and tries to kill everyone

>>2066196
I don't think Mami is supposed to come off as that selfish a character. It's clear she is overconfident when it comes to her own abilities as a magical girl (which usually results in her death) and tends to underestimate the risks involved in witch hunting. So while she definitely knows that she's asking Sayaka and Madoka to risk their lives so that she won't be lonely anymore, she doesn't know the real extent of it.

>>2066198
>Ayane's early doujinshi highlighted that: Mami pushed Madoka into wishing for a cake and Mami is the one who goes batshit.
I don't think that doujin has her acting in-character.

If you look at the canon moment when she snaps, it's when she learns that witches are born from magical girls whose soul gems are overcome with grief. So in a twisted way her logic makes sense - destroy all the soul gems and you'll end the system. Of course it's still a terrible reason (even from a cold-blooded, rational stand point, since Incubators can and will just make more), but it came from a desire to protect humanity as a whole.

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>>2066208
The consequence is death. Witching out is just an ironic fate.

>>2066225
Just dying is a risk you can live with. If that's the only consequence it's like being a super hero.
Becoming a witch makes everything you do redundant.

>>2064945
>She's my-
>My-
>My-
>...?

Homura's getting there, finally.

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>>2063745
Chuu

>>2066257
I'm hoping Madoka can come to that conclusion in less than 12 years.

>>2066297
Madoka was a god to which time had no meaning and her omniscience did cover basically everything Homura did for her.

She's already gotten there.

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delicious armpit

>>2065443
Homu also paid respects to Kyouko in Eternal after Kyoko blew up.

Proper crucifix grave marker and everything.

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Chuu?

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Winter glasses Sayaka is a 10

>>2064035
>Hans Zimmer
>world's greatest composer
holy shit

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>>2066493
>Sayaka eating donuts with her parents cause she became a cop
>meth head neighbourhoods
>junkies being that common
>drug dealers
>murder rate being that high
Shit I can mention a lot more
That fic is so Americanized while at the same time trying to make it seem like they're in Japan. This person knows absolutely nothing of Japan.

Might as well have the setting be in 'murrica

>>2066626
Isn't Crystal Meth actually a problem in Japan?

>>2066629
I only know that it was invented there. What I do know, though, is that junkies are seen as worse than murderers there.

>>2066629
Last I checked I think it was their biggest drug problem. You might have seen it in several pieces of media and not realized it due to the many nicknames it has.

The rest of those are pretty weird though, aside from drug dealers obviously.

>>2066626
The fic's premise is that Mitakihara's destruction causes massive social problems in the region.

>>2066665
One off of quints is right: meth is a massive problem in Japan (and very profitable for the yaks), followed by fake weed and smack.

>>2066626
You've never been to Roppongi or any of the shit parts of the Tokyo sprawl, have you weebo? Japan has as much crime as any other 1st world country, the police are just corrupt enough to look the other way as long as the right people tell them to.

>>2066315
She had that part ripped away from her though. Madoka's back to thinking Homura is crazy.

>>2066770
Madoka doesn't know shit right now, and her current state is irrelevant to eventual relationship w/ Homura as that isn't going to happen until the whole Rebellion thing is sorted out and Madoka gets her memories back.

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>>2066772
I'm just hoping getting those memories and powers back does not require killing Homura. I would think they just need to cut off the lizards tail.

>>2066786
Wraith Arc 6 Summary: Homura inadvertently creates a lewd Madoka clone. Hilarity does NOT issue.

>>2066791
*NOT ensue

>>2066791
I'm like 99% certain I've heard that this series is going to have a happy ending.

>>2066797
>Uno – Among your works, even if we put side the issue of sexuality, it seems “Fate/Zero” is a turning point. Of the works before it, “Saya no Uta” is a good representative, where we can see a composition in which catharsis is obtained by means by giving priority to personal emotion over social mores when both are present. On the other hand, after “Fate/Zero”, the style is shifted to a direction in which the strength of the story was pulled up and tension was raised by continuously taking in concepts of morals and social responsibilities. The depiction of Kiritsugu Emiya in “Fate/Zero” is typical of this.
>Urobuchi – I wrote it in the afterword of “Fate/Zero” too. It was the time when I got so troubled by the fact that as much as I wanted to write a heartwarming story, somewhere in me just could not believe in legitimate happiness but I had to move the work to a happy end, and I almost wanted to hang up my pen. From very beginning, to opt for the individual instead of the world, to affirm his own desire and ambition is to me an absoulte bad-end. If the world should be destroyed then there was no salvation whatsoever left. I think in the past I just picked the escape route by landing the story in way that is a bad-end in a macro perspective but a happy-end from the individual's point of view. However, “Fate/Zero” is a story that had the individuals fallen into misfortune but got the world saved. Perhaps this became the turning point like you said and finally I could write my happy-end. After that, be it “Eisen Fluegel” or “Madoka”, I approached to write works in which the protagonist may face ruin and destruction but to the world it holds a good ending.

Happy to him is the universe not falling apart.

>>2066791
I doubt he would kill her off. If he kills her off or legitimately made her evil/Madoka's enemy, it would be a terrible end to the series. There's bittersweet and then there's taking your series most popular character and saying fuck you.

>>2066797
Rebellion was supposed to have ended with Madoka taking Homura into the LoC but someone other than Urobuchi from higher up wanted to milk the franchise more and leave it open for a sequel. In the end what we got was arguably more appropriate thematically.

>>2066998
Wrong. Urobuchi was considering ending on that note but he didn't like the idea all that much and just kind of was stuck with writer's block. Then Shinbo came up with the devil thing and Urobuchi was like "Huh, that's a good idea".

It bugs me when people think poor Urobuchi had his happy ending ripped away purely for money reasons. I mean, money was part of it, but he wasn't dragged against his will.

>>2067002
That's the only version of the story I ever saw

>>2067002
Shinbo's idea was making Homura oppsite Madoka. Devil thing and bringing Madoka back is probably butcher's idea.

I always find it amusing that people think someone nicknamed "The Urobutcher" could ever need to be forced or coerced to write a bittersweet ending.

Guy was so fucked up he couldn't even write a kinda happy ending until Madoka.

>>2063914
>>2063913
definitely an art shift and such, I like to believe magical girls don't age (since they age into witches) naturally.

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>>2065453
>>2065448
>>2064866
>>2064876
you guys are retarded. Homura and madoka are anything but vanilla. first of all Homura and madoka both have extreme martyr complexes and aren't ever fully happy unless theyre the one shouldering and making the decisions for the other. Their relationship isn't as innocent as it seems and with madoka damn well pushing homura down in some scenes and aggressively hugging her previously in the series shows a type of romance that isn't calm yuri slice of life sweetness, but intense, passionate, volatile. The perfect breeding ground for fetishes and lovers quarrels.

>>2067030
>aggressively hugging her
Yeah.

>>2067005
I believe Shinbo's idea was just a vague make them enemies. Urobuchi had to think about how to make it possible and decided to make them "equal opposites" and from there we got Rebellion.

https://wiki.puella-magi.net/Rebellion_Material_Book#Message_from_Gen_Urobuchi_.28Screenplay.29

>Initially, I was planning to end this story when Homura is reunited with Madoka. There would be the classic magical girl scenes in the beginning, and then the narrative in which the secret of the town would be revealed; that would drive the beginning and middle parts, and in the end there'd be the final showdown with Kyubey.
>But I had a hard time deciding on the ending. Ending the story with Homura and Madoka being reunited wasn't really the best outcome. After all, the instant Homura encounters her, she'll be guided by the Law of Cycles, and disappear. Would that make her happy? It was also the director, Mr. Shinbo's opinion that the outcome of the TV series, "a human becoming a god" might be too heavy a fate for a girl in middle school to bear. Since that was the case, I decided to try to come up with a way to create a story in which Madoka could escape that outcome.
>But I'd already ended this story once, so it was hard to figure out how to expand it. That was when Mr. Shinbo suggested, "How about a story with Homura confronting Madoka as an enemy?" I thought, if that's at all permissible, then I'd suddenly have all these options open to me, and that's how the current plot developed.
>Now that I look back on it, I think it might have pushed the boundaries of the viewers' sense of morality. I'm sure there are people who view that as a "bad end," and there are probably also people who are more forgiving. I think it's an outcome that straddles that borderline. But people watch because they want to ponder whether the outcome is good or bad, so if they knew from the start that it was either a "happy end" or a "bad end", then there'd be no point in watching it in the first place.

I just hope the ending to the next project is a little more definitive.

>>2067050
Ok now this confirms even more that Rebellion is more Shinbo's story than Urobuchi's.

>>2067081
Not even close.

>>2067081
If you want to say that, then technically Madoka has always been more Shinbo's than Urobuchi's. There is an argument to be made that it left the future direction of the series very uncertain based on interviews from Kirara about continuing the series, but that was a risk they took.

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>>2067030
>Homura and madoka are anything but vanilla
They're vanilla incarnate.
>first of all Homura and madoka both have extreme martyr complexes and aren't ever fully happy unless theyre the one shouldering and making the decisions for the other.
Madoka's the martyr. Homura just wants Madoka to stop dying and ceasing to exist.
>Their relationship isn't as innocent as it seems and with madoka damn well pushing homura down in some scenes and aggressively hugging her
Those are healthy urges, purityfag. It would be weird if Madoka didn't do stuff like that to her beautiful Homura-chan.

>>2066882
They won't kill kill Homo because at this point killing her and returning Madoka to the LoC doesn't even solve anything. Kyubey knows about the LoC now and Homura even took the same Kyubey with her. If they killed Homura, it would guarantee that the Incubators would just go back to trying to capture her. We even have him eyeing Madoka in the concept movie. Homura "dying" and becoming a concept with Madoka is really the only thing that fixes this.

>>2066882
>>2067145
I think it would also be an ideological defeat of Madoka because she speaks all wishes should be realized and that must never lose hope. Basically she would turn one hypocrite who does not follow what she says.

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>>2067164
It's definitely a logic problem. Forsaking Homura would force her to give up on a magical girl. And at worst, continuing to live in Homura's dream world would be forsaking all the other magical girls while she lives in luxury. At best, even if the LoC is 100% okay and functioning, living in Homura's dream world would be enjoying a perfect life at the expense of Homura's sanity and soul.

I would even be fine with the latter: a story where Madoka's sacrifice IS completely unnecessary to the continued existence of the universe and fate of magical girls. She doesn't have to sacrifice anything and her life is perfect the way it is. Yet she chooses to fight against Homura because she can't live that life knowing Homura now carries around that burden for her

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>>2067112
>theyre vanilla incarnate
You are so wrong you can't see straight
>Madoka's the martyr. Homura just wants Madoka to stop dying and ceasing to exist.
you are also apperantly a blind delusional retard ontop of that. I suggest actually watching the show sometime, not reading a synopsis.
>Call aggression a healthy urge
>insist two characters are pure and free of perversion
>call me the purefag
are you looking to pick a fight you stupid fucking purefag?

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>>2067257
>burden fight
at least someone realizes theyre both martyrs.

>>2067259
>You are so wrong you can't see straight
Well this is /u/, so I guess that's a good thing.
>you are also apperantly a blind delusional retard ontop of that. I suggest actually watching the show sometime, not reading a synopsis.
Name when time when Homura died for a belief greater than herself. Protip: you can't. She chooses to live, even when the situation gets worse and worse. Madoka is the one who routinely dies for a cause like a good little virgin sacrifice.
>insist two characters are pure and free of perversion
I said Madoka wanting to fondle and fuck Homura was a natural urge. You're the one treating it as some sort of perverse sin.

>>2067112
>aggressively hugging her

Only on 4chan.

>>2067270
She chooses death and eternally being cursed over giving Madoka up to the incubators

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>>2067309
Okay, there's one. Every other poiny still stands.

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>>2067399
>knocking someone over and not respecting their personal boundries
That's an extremely sick and twisted way of interpreting this scene. Were you raped as a kid or something?

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>>2067399
There nothing more pure than wanting to fuck somene you share mutual romantic feelings for anon.

So is Madoka a rapist?

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>>2067420
Homura would have to be unwilling.

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>>2067399
>I said Madoka wanting to fondle and fuck Homura was a natural urge. You're the one treating it as some sort of perverse sin.
knocking someone over and not respecting their personal boundries, even if they are okay with it, is not pure you retard. homura and madoka are both people. And madoka has always when she does not become afraid of homura develops their relationship aggressively. Homura was also that way back when she was innocent. this isn't some sin you fucking cuck, but its not healthy. and it's certainly not a vanilla approach to anything resembling dating.

I'm assuming they had been kind of flirty for a while before the knock down straddling scene. We got glimpses of this, but their time together is kind of summarized and not fully shown. If on the first date you knock a girl down and all that, yeah that's not vanilla. Once the relationship has been established it certainly is, and it could still be considered pure.

>>2067465
That was at minimum their second date AND Madoka had some underlying memories of the time they spent together over the years. Madoka and Homura have a healthy sexual appetite for each other. Madoka straddling her on the gondola is something that's happened in countless romance movies. And you know what? Even though Madoka was dripping wet in that scene, she stopped when Homura became ashamed of herself. She respects Homura's boundries and knows when to stop playing. They are a healthy, vanilla couple with normal sexual needs.

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>>2067309
no, they fucking don't. some moderator deleted my post for word choice but the point stands, you don't know what martyr means, and the dictionary link given is still relevant as ever

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/martyr

>>2067402
do you have some demented idea of whats normal? Vanilla is normal, knocking one another over agressively isn't vanilla. this isn't an arguement over weather homura and madoka are raping eachother, its whether or not they are the vanilla ice cream of yuri, and theyre obviously fucking not.

>>2067410
see this shit? this is the point. but if you were not retarded, you'd be able to see how your awful polarization is making a blatant asshat assumption that I'm somehow making a picture of domestic abuse when I'm really just telling purefags like this idiot to fuck off back to wherever they came from.

>>2067471
Normal people don't knock another down in the first place. Most japanese people are not comfortable even expressing emotion like that. their apetite is healthy but their execution is not. martyrdom, controlling behavior, does not go away just because you fucking say it does retard. They don't ever respect eachothers boundries on a relationship level, thats why they keep fighting over control of the universe. they don't steer eachother with understanding and communication, they do so with force. They've never even kissed on screen but any depiction of their relationship is more accurate when you take into account their behavior on screen.

>>2067662
You are way too angry over this.

>>2067695
It seems like this series has a tendency to bring out the worst in people.

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>>2067704
A somewhat mainstream anime written on a high school level that appeals to yurifags, edgelords, and Tumblrinas brings out the worst in people? Who would have thought.

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>>2067695
true, but he did at least explain his position pretty well and I have to say he is right on most of his points

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"Madoka and Homura sent us to hell...but were going even deeper...taking the ship back that we lost from those fucking pure fags..."

Screw Homura, the real demons here are the retarded "AHHHH MADOHOMU IS ABSUIVE YOU FUCKWITS" tumblrites. Madoka ships turn people into demons.

>>2067704
It's almost like it's a religion.

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>>2067780

>>2067782
If it was het it would be called Fifty Shades of Homura.

>>2067782
LOL, if anyone would think Madoka, the goddess of hope and goodness, probably the most pure person in the show, would think Madoka wouldn't forgive Homu.

"It doesn't matter, Homura is still Homura, and I would never abandon you."

>>2067780
You know, Urobuchi was aware Rebellion was going to upset some people, but I wonder if he knows how badly he ass ranged Tumblr.

>>2067782
>Whole series is them working against each other
>Not wanting them to stop hurting each other.

>>2067783
It's like they can't tell the difference between fiction and reality.

>>2067785
We tend to hurt the ones we love the most. That isn't a reason to hate and abandon them. Especially in a setting like Madoka Magica's. It's one thing to not ship it, but to have that much rage against it makes me wonder why they keep watching.

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>>2067788
Now that they watched it, they have their opinions on it and they are angry at everyone who doesn't share their opinions. It's a problem with not being able to let things go.

When normal people watch something and don't like it, they don't watch it again, and they certainly don't get actively involved in a fandom where they do nothing but shout out their complaints over the thing that they watched over and over.

>>2067788
>it makes me wonder why they keep watching.
They must have gone out of their way to keep being offended, just like certain people.

I looked up madoka magika on G-Hentai and...was suprised that only 20-25ish percent was Het. Thank good the Yuri outnumbers it

>>2067830
I think there's only one artist who does unironically straight Sayaka with Kyousuke. The others are mainly rape or an excuse to throw put dicks in/on the pairings.

>>2066318
What about the rest? Do u have the rest of the girls too?

>>2067782
>I want Madoka to actually fight her abuser
kek, the one sounding like a SJW is him.

>>2067883
>him
*her

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>>2067883
>>2067885
>binary gender
Triggered

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>>2067927
I sit awake at night wondering if MadoHomu will ever get gay matching outfits.

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I'm literally just here for MadoHomu

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>>2067961
Nah, MadoHomu is the best.

>>2067968
The fact that I like MadoHomu proves I like MadoHomu

This thread just shows how dumb some parts of the Madoka shipping communities are. I'm looking at you, Kyo X Saya's.

Just let us like Madoka X Homura, without shoving down retarded essays about how there "abusive" or some shit.

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>>2067959
>>2067967
>>2067972
Great taste nee-san.

>>2067976
It's usually crack shippers or Sayakafags indirectly attacking Homu.

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>>2067977
Anybody who enjoys MadoHomu is fine by me.
>>2067976
I think KyouSaya is an OK ship, it'll never be as good as MadoHomu but it's acceptable

>>2067976
Hey there's like one crazy person arguing that. Don't give it more credit than it deserves

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Posting additional MadoHomu to try to save this thread from the autistic troll

So, you have come across ACK.
DON’T PANIC!
Everything is going to be fine. Just follow these few simple steps and everything will be ok.

Do: Click the arrow next to his post number and then report the post.
This will alert a mod to the off topic poster. A mod may not be readily available to come deal with the issue, but just be patient.
There is no need to explain the reasoning behind the report, the mods are well aware of this infamous shitposter, and they will deal with him accordingly.

Don't: Respond.
ACK will attempt to lure you into a discussion, either by falsely accusing you of being someone you are not (!Akemi and rape spammer are the two most popular) or shouting out other false accusations. There is no need to defend yourself. ACK does not actually believe the things he is accusing you of, the whole purpose is to get you to respond so he can meta shit-post about how pairings which he personally doesn’t like are ruining the fandom.

If a moderator doesn’t show up in a timely fashion, ACK will continue to harass you (sometimes double and triple posting, shouting out accusations). It’s ok, he will say anything he can to get a rise out of you. The important thing is to not fall for it. Just report his posts as they come in, and as soon as a mod is available they will deal with him.

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>>2068009
Good. Truth be told, this is my first time on /u/, I'm here from /c/, so I had no idea, and my first ever interaction was with that autist. I was worried all of /u/ was like that for a second. Here's a HomuxHomu for the trouble.

>>2068009
Just take this advice and everything will be OK. You can further benefit the community by copying this to a clip board and in the future, in lieu of actually responding to the infamous shitposter, you can just copy pasta this informative post and prevent other users from feeding the troll.

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HomuMado = Crack
MadoHomu = Canon

Subby Homu is best Homu.

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>>2067662
>They don't ever respect eachothers boundries on a relationship level, thats why they keep fighting over control of the universe. they don't steer eachother with understanding and communication, they do so with force.

But up until when she becomes god, Madoka just thinks Homura is a crazy stranger and she has no reason not to believe that. She martyred herself for the sake of all magical girls, not for Homura. It's not like she's consciously keeps trying to screw over Homura. She even apologizes for it and realistically becoming a god is the only way that Madoka can come to love her. Otherwise Homura is just a crazy girl. Homura on the other thinks she's doing Madoka a favor because Madoka at one point told her never to let her become a magical girl and later told her that she'd never want to leave her family. Sure, Homura could have thought this through better, but it's not like she was trying to control and dominate Madoka out of sexual desire and lack of respect. She thinks this is the only way to protrct Madoka. She canon dies every fucking time. In Homura's case it's done out of fear and desperation. They really need to learn how to communicate, but that's a big issue in Rebellion: the shit communication, secracy, and lack of trust beneath the fun and games between the sextet is what lead to Rebellion's conclusion. Hell, Madoka says it herself in both the series and Rebellion: she wants Homura to open up to her and not dance around issues or hide things from her.

Madoka has love and respect for Homura, and Homura has love and respect for Madoka. But Homura has some serious trust, self-esteem, and self-worth issues and a bunch of self-destructive tendencies that she needs to work that out before she can feel worthy of being with Madoka. Madoka will forgive her for fucking up because she already accepts eveythring about her.

That doesn't change the fact that MadoHomu is vanilla as fuck.

>>2068191
They're really only vanilla as fuck because they've been dancing around each other for the lifetimes of two universes plus the small change of Homura's groundhog day loopin.

All of Homura's issues and characterization are what really inspires all the thought that she'd want some kinky shit.

>>2068195
Homura's too much of a spaz to know how to properly break and defile the goddess.

>>2068195
If you mean she'd want Madoka to degrade her and tell her she's been a bad demon, I could believe that.

>>2068198
>implying dom homu
Did we watch the same show?

>>2068204
I thought you meant Homura wanted to do kinky shit to Madoka, not the other way around. In no way is there ever going to be dom HomuHomu.

>>2068209
I don't think my word choice really reflected that thought. It was more neutral than anything, though I do feel like it leans more towards Homu being the one on the receiving end.

>>2068214
I got what you meant. I just can't words today. I've viewed Homura as the bottom in the relationship since Rebellion and even looking back at the series, she's still weak and fagile behind that mask. I also think she'd want Madoka to do lewd things to her.

>>2068228
Plus protecting someone isn't inherently a dominant position.

>>2068230
Yeah. Going back to her self worth, Homura views herself as less a knight protecting a princess and more as a tool for Madoka's well being and happiness. She doesn't view herself as an equal to Madoka and thus we can't say her role is a dominant one, even if it comes off that way at times.

>>2068228
>>2068230
As put down by Tarkovsky, the key aspect of female love is not lust, but self sacrifice. The delight of sex can't ever redeem the pain of giving a birth. It's natural, it has nothing to do with sexual masochism. Well, maybe it does, but it's just a normal thing for females.

>>2068244
I unironically want to see Madoka suffer for Homura's sake for once. I know the narrative thus far doesn't really allow for it, but I can see why some people can deny Madoka's love for Homura. She's never really been put in a situation where she has to prove it.

>>2068264
Actually, the reason Madoka become a concept in the first place is to spare Homura the agony of witchification, by turning into Homura's afterlife. That other megucas get the same benefit is an afterthought.

>>2068280
Urobuchi says it was the opposite. Homura was the atter thought.

>>2068280
>In the last episode, even the bonding between Homura and Madoka was established only after the miracle happened. At the stage when Madoka spoke out her wish to Kyubei, for her Homura is a denpa (wacko) whose words she could not understand. (lol) Although [Homura] came back from future and rolled back time many times, for her she only knew her only the first time. Therefore the motivation for Madoka's wish was actually rooted in desire to save all the mahou shoujo. It was not necessarily for Homura herself. It was to Homura's credit that because she went through time loops many times and bound up the causalities so that Madoka possessed the power strong enough to bend and twist the law of causality. So Homura's feeling was always facing towards Madoka, but Madoka came to understand the real feeling of Homura only after she got hold of the almighty power.

>>2068280
Madoka didn't know enough about Homura to do such a thing until after she ascended to godhood. Which is probably a large part of why she insisted on retrieving Homura from the Incubator's trap personally.

>>2068293
And we saw how great that turned out. I know Urbobuchi has Sayaka get shit on pretty hard, but she's gotten two solid good ends. Will Urobuchi ever end the Homura bullying?

>>2068244
>Tarkovsky
Is Madoka kino?

>>2068296
She was dead and in Madoka's afterlife, which I've heard as being not quite the happy yuri valhalla we'd like to think of it as, and mind wiped and trapped in Homura's new universe.

Not exactly good ends.

Also it's not really Madoka's fault that Homura snapped.

>>2068298
Sayaka had her wish granted and accepted it as a worthy exchange and even saw the fruits of said wish. She was able to die without regret in her own words. Homura never had her wish granted and it was Madoka's sacrifice that prevented it from being granted. Her death was guarenteed to be lonely and pointless.

Sayaka is KyouSayaing it up while Homura sits alone on a hill top because of a certain conversation in a garden.

Sayaka has had two good ends.

>>2068301
That just shows why Homura is better as a person, and character. She never gives up, and pushes on, despite failing at everything she does. She fully accepts her failings (to a self-hatred degree) And despite huge mental trauma, and PTSD, is always true to her original wish. She's a good soldier.

Sayaka? Blames everyone for her mistakes, and whines all day. Thinks shes a perfect white knight, but is just as flawed as the rest of the girls.

That happy ending Sayaka got? Both? All of them are Homura's doing(Indirectly for the first, but directly on the second.)

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>>2068303
I'm just going to be severely assmad if she doesn't even get Madoka in the end.
>That wedding band
>Wearing Madoka's ribbon on her uniform

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Homufags and Sayakafags can go die.

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>>2068317

>>2068333
Is there any point to this... aside from showing how retarded tumblr is?

>>2068335
Baiting replies I assume.

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Why does MamiNagi get no attention?

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>>2068348
>I just wanted to eat cheese again

>>2068348
They get enough.

>>2068348
I find Lolicon distasteful...
...
Though I love pairing them off as a romantic couple, that Mami does not engage in sexual activities with, because shes waiting until she old enough.

>>2068317
post more senpai

ACK's back again... Here's what you have to do.
>>2068009

>>2068348
Probably because they did not have a whole lot of content compared to other couples. Not even manga spinoffs or stuff like TDS.

And also the whole underage thing when they are pretty clearly supposed to be mother/daughter, at least for now.

>>2068388
I think it might be prudent to add something about hiding his posts as well as reporting. It helps me, personally. Out of sight, out of mind. Even glancing over his stuff can exhaust me but if it's not there at all it's a lot easier to deal with.

What's the best 18+ doujin for this series?

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>>2068457
http://exhentai.org/g/461662/88156ae839/

Anything by Pikachi would be my pick. Pretty vanilla but in the most heart-warming way.

>>2068457
Ayane's stuff tends to be good. With a few exceptions, she tries to keep the same bittersweet mood of the series in her works. I appreciate that.

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NSFW MamixKyoko doujin.

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>>2067785
Facts and logic wont ever sway those people because they are t able to put aside their personal feelings to understand that everyone doesnt see the world in the exact same way they do.

>>2067788
You dont work out problems by gushing about how vanilla you are, sharing ice cream floats and and holding hands. You get there by talking about stuff that makes you uncomfortable or angry. There will be a whole lot more of that in a relationship that isnt vanilla.

The difference is madoka and homura are compassionate people so they have a better chance of talking it out.

>>2067833
>>2067976
>>2067980
I am the biggest homufag, so that doesnt really apply to this instance about martyrdom and vanilla. That said, my experiance is similar with sayaka. Leave the litteral show embodyment of the justice tarrot card to fuel a hard line stance between fans.

Also i need those hoodies but i dont have money

>>2068191
This shit is unreadably not canon. No point even argueing it when the whole thing is based on a false premise. Madoka does love homura, the whole point was madokas love for her and kindness fueled homura to save her even if that meant breaking the special bond they have to pieces. And even fucking then madoka still would not stay away from her. Relisten to the drama cd already

>>2068361
I like to think magi dont really age since their bodies are just hardware.

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>>2068571
>>2068574
>>2068575
This mad about MadoHomu being the vanilla ice cream of ships.

>>2068577
They do, but most die before they noticeably age. Cleopatra is the obvious example. Possible even Tart based on her appearance in the anime and the beginning of the manga.

>>2068574
>That said, my experiance is similar with sayaka.
I notice a lot of fans say they relate to Sayaka the most and in a way that makes sense. Am I the only one who unironically identifies with Kyouko and Homura? Does anyone else "identify" with not Sayaka? Stupid question, I know.

>>2065453>>2065448
I think that Rebelion has proven that Homura never will let herself be on the same level of understanding as Madoka. She will always hear what she wants between the two and has proven herself to be just as crafty and manipulative as Kyubey, which is kind of astonishing in how twisted she truly is.

>>2067005
Not really, Gen was looking for an ending with some kind of impact. Which was what was causing the writers block he was having over the ending of Rebelion. The franchise has already seen an uplifting bittersweet ending, he didn't want to do that again since it has already been done... Until Shinbo suggest of "What if Homura faced Madoka as an enemy?" which gave way to Homura as the Demon/Devil idea, and all that lead to it. Until that suggestion, Gen had nothing.

>>2068620
>She will always hear what she wants between the two and has proven herself to be just as crafty and manipulative as Kyubey, which is kind of astonishing in how twisted she truly is.
Did we watch the same movie?

>The franchise has already seen an uplifting bittersweet ending, he didn't want to do that again since it has already been done

See >>2067050. Rebellion was the epitome of bittersweet, but more on the bitter side than the series was. An ending where Homura died and reunited with Madoka would have been an unnecessary because we could already assume that was going to happen. An ending where Homura could save Madoka from godhood and somehow bring Sayaka and Nagisa back with 0 consequences would have been an unrealistically happy ending.

>>2068620
I think it's less that Homura is hearing what she wants to hear and more that Homura has been losing out on crucial information. Throw in her own various mental issues that border on crippling, manipulations from outside parties, and the majority of her interactions with Madoka being with a Madoka who doesn't have all her memories and it's frankly no surprise that Homura came to make the choices she did.

Also I'm not sure if anyone can be as understanding as Madoka. It's just not possible. And Homura not wanting to be as such isn't a bad thing in it's entirety.
>>2068627
I'd argue that the series ended on the more bitter note. Especially in retrospect when we learn that Madoka's godhood is considered to be a fate worse than death. Rebellion is sweeter, but it's more unstable as everything basically hinges on Homura being able to suppress Madokami and Homura is in an even worse state than she was going into the movie. There is however the chance for the situation to improve, which the next installment of the franchise is probably going to focus on.

>>2068630
>I'd argue that the series ended on the more bitter note.
That's true. I guess I meant "bitter" in the sense Homura is alone and Madoka may one day be her enemy. But at the same time, Madoka is free of her fate and I believe things will improve. Ultimately it requires Homura being able to trust and let Madoka out of her cage.

Another thing I notice is Rebellion in no way addresses Homura's suffering and pain in a constructive way. While Madoka and the other girls may have freed Homura from Kyubey, the events did nothing to free Homura from her actual regrets and self-loathing. A sequel would be more likely to address that. It's very likely that Homura will never be able to truly recover from this as she a demon, not a witch. But if Madoka is incapable of purifying her, then I easily see her wanting to share in Homura's pain and anguish out of her promise to not abandon her.

>>2068631
-cont
It would be an unending source of despair tended to by an unending source of hope. In this way, the universe would be reborn in a state of balance.

>>2068630
>>2068631
>Homura is in an even worse state
>self-loathing
nice headcanon

>>2068641
>Homura hating herself
>headcanon
Did we watch the same fucking show?

>>2068647
It's stealth HomuHater.

People dont respond. Just report the troll, and move along.

>>2068627
>Did we watch the same movie?
Yes, we did... So did you catch the note near the end of the movie where Homura clearly states that should Madoka continue to seek to be selfless, they will become enemies?
Or the on just at the end where, as far as Homura is concerned, is a Madoka whom is docile and completely dependant on Homura, to the exclusion of all else?
Or how about the fact that she had to make a world where there is seemingly no problems, where everyone is alive and well.... just so Madoka doesn't notice that this is the ultimate labyrinth, and generally a mask for all the worlds problems? Fearing that if she sees the seams, Madoka will try to do something about it and take her powers back while doing so?

> An ending where Homura could save Madoka from godhood and somehow bring Sayaka and Nagisa back with 0 consequences would have been an unrealistically happy ending.
True, but that is kind of the point of the ending that it is how noticeably skin-deep it is and how utterly fragile Homura's world is. It can't accept imperfection, the second that Homura's notices something off... her first question is "Did Madoka see that?" and off the paranoid races we go, regardless of how right she in that.

>>2068630
> I think it's less that Homura is hearing what she wants to hear and more that Homura has been losing out on crucial information.

No, for someone that says that she cares about Madoka a great deal, it pretty sad to notice how much that she doesn't know that person. How much of that person is more of a object to be gathered and collected than is to be appreciated and/or treasured.
Homura's choices as more to do with herself than anything to do with Madoka, that is how selfish she is.

> Also I'm not sure if anyone can be as understanding as Madoka. It's just not possible.
I would agree with you, but Sayaka seems to have manage to do that, so did Nagisa and she is the newcomer to the group. Mami seem rather close to doing so by just being herself...

>>2068663
-cont-
The only outlier is Homura whom still seems to isolate herself more than the others, despite the world being different.

>>2068663
Except Homura by doing that is making everyone else happy, while she herself is stewing in her own self hatred, and suffering, whilst everyone is togther with there loved ones.

She's selfless. Sayaka is the selfish one.

>>2068663
>Yes, we did... So did you catch the note near the end of the movie where Homura clearly states that should Madoka continue to seek to be selfless, they will become enemies?

Which was preceded by Homura asking if Madoka would tresure law and order over personal desire. It's realizing that how badly she messed up and accepting the consequence that Madoka will hate her.

It's also followed by "I don't care". She expects Madoka to come to hate her, not the other way around. Listen to the actual words said. "Then I guess one day you will also be my enemy. That's fine. I don't care. I continue wishing for a world where you can be happy."

or in the manga

"You know, one day you and I may become enemies. That's okay. I don't mind. Even if that happens. All I wish for is a world where you can be happy."

>True, but that is kind of the point of the ending that it is how noticeably skin-deep it is and how utterly fragile Homura's world is. It can't accept imperfection, the second that Homura's notices something off... her first question is "Did Madoka see that?" and off the paranoid races we go, regardless of how right she in that.
What's your point? No one disagrees Homura messed up, even if it did make life better. They're disagreeing with the fact you think she's a sociopathic snake.

>Sayaka seems to have manage to do that, so did Nagisa and she is the newcomer to the group. Mami seem rather close to doing so by just being herself.

None of those characters are known for their compassion or understanding. In fact, Sayaka's character is know for her black and white views of reality and hypocrisy.

>The only outlier is Homura whom still seems to isolate herself more than the others, despite the world being different.

You act like that isn't a conscious decision.

>>2068663
>Homura's choices as more to do with herself than anything to do with Madoka, that is how selfish she is.
So she rejected salvation and eternity with Madoka so that... Madoka could live a normal, happy life with her family and friends while she punishes Incubators and suffers alone? Yeah, what an evil selfish bitch. I can't wait for her to get her comeuppance!

I was thinking about it and I realize it doesn't matter what happens: the magical girl system is ending next movie. When Homura became a demon, she released a level of karmic potential on part with Madoka's. If they kill Homura or Homura succeeds with suicide by blue baka, she'll leave a grief seed or something similar that would fill the Kyubey's quota for eternity in the same way Gretchen did. Homura would have then rendered magical girls irrelevant and in effect completely negated the reason for Madoka's continued sacrifice. The Incubators no longer have reason to contract because there needs are meant and Madoka is allowed to live without worry. But in this case, Madoka would be cursed to live in a world without Homura. Unless you're Tumblr, you can obviously see why this is an issue.

>>2068662
These threads need to be given a break.

>>2068693
The cycle of despair must continue anon.

Don't worry. Wraith Arc 7 is out Saturday. We can moan and bitch about why it's not canon and possible even be given a vague project update.

>>2068691
Do you honestly believe the show writers meant for this interpretation to be true? That after all this they wanted to show that Homura is a villain who has to be destroyed?

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What the hell is going on in this thread?

>>2068704

The advice about ACK also applies to Homuhater. Fortunately they're equally easy to spot.

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Homura is the best character and she deserves a happy ending with Madoka. It'll never happen, because Gen Urobuchi is a twisted motherfucker who apparently has some deep hatred for Homura since he never lets her be completely happy, but Homura and Madoka deserve to have each other after everything they've gone through

>>2068734
She will get her Madoka ending as a finale to the series. Not any time before. It's the driving force of the plot from episode 10 onward.

>>2068739
>implying Homura wouldn't prefer to be given to Madoka when she's no longer stuck in the fate worse than death LoC

>>2068739
Rebellion is already the finale of the series.

>>2068745
You mean like right now? Madoka doesn't even know who Homura is and Homura's riddled with too much guilt and self-loathing to make a move.

>>2068753
>Hasn't heard the news

>>2068739
I guess that's true. If Homu and Madoka aren't in yuri heaven together after the next movie, we know there's still more to come

>>2068757
I read and analized everything like 100 times. There is still no 100% confirmation that they are doing or going to do something new.

>>2068760
It's really down to the last chapter. It's really a question of season or movie. I'd hope movie.

>>2068745
Madoka already escaped her fate. Now it's time to see if Homura can escape her own fate. Make no mistake, even if she's isn't evil and did everything with the best of intentions, she has become a monster trapped in an inescapable cycle of guilt and self-hatred. Even if this new life is perfect and makes Madoka happy, Madoka would never be happy knowing all of it was and continues to be at the cost of Homura.

>>2068675
>It's also followed by "I don't care". She expects Madoka to come to hate her, not the other way around. Listen to the actual words said. "Then I guess one day you will also be my enemy. That's fine. I don't care. I continue wishing for a world where you can be happy."
>or in the manga
>"You know, one day you and I may become enemies. That's okay. I don't mind. Even if that happens. All I wish for is a world where you can be happy."


Which is kind of the problem, Homura doesn't want to try to convince her that there is another way. She is not even going to try because there was never a point where she and Madoka are equals. She is going to force her view and be damned the consequences, against someone that has always viewed her own personal concerns as small compared to everything and everyone else.

>They're disagreeing with the fact you think she's a sociopath.
>>2068678


Because her actions, ironically, make her no better that Kyubey. The reason that I say that is because, despite her "well-meaning", everything about the new world is a facade to keep others (namely Madoka, Sayaka and Nagisa) from noticing that it is ultimately fake. It is nothing more than a gilled cage, to keep the Law of Cycles from working fully so she can have her one selfish desire and even that is limited.
And as well-meaning as the gesture of keeping everyone one alive is... it comes with one rather huge caveat, there are not around because Homura cares about them in any manner. They are there because Madoka cares for them, the second that she doesn't I would suspect that Homura will erase them from the labyrinth. Or worse because their being alive comes with the fact that she might do more than simply be rid of the problems at least to help keep the facade up.
Because of this... she might as well use Kyubey for a mirror, there one only one thing that the "little white shit" cared about. It's goddamn quota, it will to anything to meet "the quota" short of getting involved itself similar to how Homura will do anything to keep this cage up, which boils down to her view of what makes Madoka happy on a personal level, regardless of Madoka opinion on that matter. Neither really care about what line they have to cross to get what they want, well Homura might... but even she notice that what she has done is a point of no return for her, their will be consequences her little rebellion and she seems content to live that fact. Kyubey doesn't really care either way, but it has no choice to face the consequences between the two gods. Madoka makes him a complete cog to the system that she has build and makes it a point that it will NEVER escape that, while Homura indeed has a personal score to settle with the thing, and tortures it for the rest of it's days.

>>2068795
>Homura doesn't want to try to convince her that there is another way.
Be the Law of Cycles or be with your friends and family. It's an extreme situation.
>damned the consequences
She's well aware of the consequences. That's why she accepts that they might become enemies.
>against someone that has always viewed her own personal concerns as small compared to everything and everyone else.
A child who is so selfless she dies 100 times and eventually ceases to exist by taking on the burden kf the universe is not really a good thing.

>>2068803
It's really sad. Nobody deserves happiness more than Homu, but she herself doesn't see that. Her entire existence is devoted to Madoka's happiness at the expense of her own. Madoka looks at it the opposite way, that's why she became the Law of Cycles. They're polar opposites, and that's why a happy ending seems so far away

>>2068807
Madoka was only able to sacrifice herself for others on Homura's back of Homura suffering. She's obligated to Homura, whether she likes ot or not.

>>2068798
Her ability to feel guilt, understand consequences, and accept she might forever lose Madoka are exactly what make her different from Kyubey. Kyubey wasn't a cog in a machine: he came up with a plan to capture and torture a god in a short amount of time. An immortal collective would have eventually done it.

>>2068734
But Sayaka is the best character and Homura deserves to be punished.

>>2068816
I respect your opinion but wholeheartedly disagree. Homura deserves all the happiness in the world, she's been tortured too much. Sayaka deserves punishment for becoming meguca for such a shitty reason.

>>2068820
Homura brought this on herself. She had the chance to go to yuri heaven and spend the rest of eternity being Madoka's right hand but no.

Sayaka was a victim of the circumstances, unlike Homura.

>>2068823
That's fair, but while Homura was being self-righteous and short-sighted, Sayaka was just dumb. "Oh hey, this violinist is sad, guess I'd better throw away my life!" And at the end of the day, Kyousuke ends up with Hitomi; at least with Homura's sacrifice, Madoka is still slightly reachable.

>>2068823
Sayaka made a wish that was fully granted and proceeded to act like a retard the entire time. Her soul was only saved due to Homura and her life was granted back due to Homura.

>>2068807
>They're polar opposites, and that's why a happy ending seems so far away
They'll figure it out.

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New MadokaMagica illustration in next issue of Animedia magazine
For 35th anniversary of the magazine, swimsuit theme.

>>2068836
Shit like this is why I still barely take their conflict seriously.

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>>2068838
Keep in mind Madoka Magica was portrayed as a kids show until Mami gets her head bit off at the end of ep 3.
They could be misleading us with swimsuit HomuMado pics so they can have Madokami banish Akumura to eternal damnation at the end of the next project.

I hope that doesn't happen, but it is a possibility and it would also create a ton of controversy while possibly also setting up for another sequel.

Does anyone know if there has been any talk on if this next project will be the last one or not? Part of me would like them to wrap everything up in a nice bow, but another part of me doesn't want it to end.