Madoka Thread

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Mami's still dating an elementary school girl and took her to watch Civil war to gain favours.

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>>2053819
Thank you based scananon!

>Sayaka's witch form is a mermaid
>mermaids are known for drowning people
>kyouko's witch form is called Ophelia
>Ophelia committed suicide by drowning
>Kyouko's witch form also has a flame for a head, a flame can't survive under water
>Kyouko canonically can't swim
>yet in the endcard Kyouko jumped in the water to save an already drowned Sayaka
>so there was no way Kyouko could save her
>this is literally what Kyuubey says
I love this animu.

>>2053887
99% sure this was InuCurry's doing. I realize now that a lot of the deeper imagery and visual motifs were chosen by them and SHAFT.

Anyone got any subby homura fics?

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inb4 this thread turns into a big dumb argument about what is and isn't canon again.

>>2053912
Do you?

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>>2053887
>Kyouko canonically can't swim
uh... what?

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>>2053819
What are they playing?

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>>2053943
What video games would Madoka like?
What about Homura?

I bet Madoka is a casual

>>2053944
Mario Kart. Pokemon. They probably Smash with the other girls. I can see Madoka enjoyong drawing stuff on fhe 3DS and WiiU pad. Homu also probably dabbles in FPS and Metal Gear.

>>2053947
>They probably Smash with the other girls.
Somehow I imagine this ending with Sayaka and Kyoko screwing themselves over by only fighting each other, and then getting stomped by Homura who loses on purpose to Madoka.

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>>2053964
Madoka Magica gaming edition thread?

>>2053965
Madoka Magica characters play DnD edition
Who is DM
What happens

>>2053970
Rebellion is the story of Homura learning how to DM.

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>>2053970
Akuma Homura invites the girls over for a game of DnD while old lady Madokami is visiting family. Akuma DMs and sets up a dark campaign that will purposely bully lawful good characters.

Even though everything tells her not to, Sayaka plays a lawful good, half-elf paladin. Mami chooses to be a human fighter. Nagisa a gnome druid. Kyuoko as dwarf fighter. Madoka as elf cleric. Homura is a half elf theif who will later multiclass as a magician.

I have a vision in my head of Nagisa spending her time transforming into a small animal and riding on Mami and Kyouko getting pissed off at Sayaka for playing such a goody goody character. Homura would get lucky and steal shit from enemies and allies alike, yet never share. Madoka on the otherhand would insist on getting in on the action and not play her role as being the designated healer very well.

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Now this is the Hanokage fanfiction I want to see.
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Kyouko and Homjra seem to enjoy dating sims.

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>>2053947
Madoka probably exclusively uses cute/Fairy-types while Homura goes full Smogon

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>>2053993
Sayaka uses stereotypical HERO Pokemon like Lucario, Kyouko just uses what looks cool

>>2053943
Depression Quest

:^)

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>>2053993
>please ignore that it's deviant art

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>>2053996
?

>>2053997
All of Homura's Pokemon would have moves like Destiny Bond, Memento, Perish Song, Selfdestruct...

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>TL is not final
WA 6 feels like a roller-coaster of suffering.

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>>2054002
Like, man. Please give Homura a break. MadoWraith is killing her inside.

>>2054002
So did Homura decide she wanted to fuck the wraith or did she just say fuck it to living?

>>2054006
Translation is not that far yet.

>>2054004
It's not like Homura doesn't have it bad enough already. I'll admit I'm a Homufag so I'm biased, but I think this is just objectively terrible.

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>Homura giving her soul gem to MadoWraith
>Seigfried pledging his heart to Odile
So Im guessing is MadoWraith supposed to be the black swan to Madoka's white swan?

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>>2054006
I do can tell you, MadokWraith has no touch at all.

>>2054023
Homura's devil outfit is an arrow rending her heart.

>>2054026
Well, fuck.

Also, this raises an interesting situation. I believe Homura would be all over MadoWraith if her heart were not broken, or at the very least, it would torn her apart.

>>2054030
Honestly I think the whole idea of a wraith seducing Homura is a little ridiculous to begin with. The fact she hasn't killed the thing for even insinuating that it's could be just like Madoka is already absurd. The fact her heart is broken is the only reason I think she hasn't killed the thing yet.

>>2054034
MadoWraith asked for her help to kill the big Wraith that stole Homura's powers. Apparently she needs her until the deed is done, and Homura did threaten to kill her for saying that. But I think >>2054023 is kind of hard to ignore.

>>2054036
Yeah I know that part. But Homura has zero reason to trust a wraith to begin with. She shits on everybody who comes her way and trusts the wraith just because it has Madoka's face? Yeah, Homura obviously wants to bump uglies with Madoka, but the chapter in general is almost insulting to the audience.

>>2054038
That might be because MadoWraith, well, looks like Madoka. And because one of the first things it did was to provide information of the Wraiths.

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>>2054039
It would make sense why these assholes show up in Rebellion if they're all related to what will happen in Wraith Arc. It just seems like something out of a parody doujin: put Madoka's face on it and Homura will totally fall for it.

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>>2053994
Sayaka uses a Dewott, Lucario, Gallade, and such. Kyouko uses a Zoroark, Rapidash, and recently a Litten amongst others.

>Homura: I'm sorry... I'm so weak... I just wanted you back with me. I didn't care what I had to do... I'd commit the worst sins for one more chance. Even if it turned me into a monster, it wouldn't matter. As long as I could have you back.

So Homura cheated on her and then rebelled against her. Can Homura do anything right at this point?

>>2054002
Top panel: This is not my luminous.

>>2054002
So what's this story about?

Why is Madokami's universe so shitty?

>>2054047
unless gen is writing the manga I wouldn't consider it canon.

It may be treated as such but the bottom line with revolving writers is the inconsistancy usually kills the development and lore of the series.

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>>2053922
It's in one of the drama CDs. Don't you think that makes Kyouko's sacrifice extra touching? Truly a masterpiece.

>>2054090
Yeah, even if Shinbo claims to be consulting, it doesn't feel like something Urobuchi was involved in.

>>2054069
That's what happen when you let a 14-years old girl write a cosmic law.

The one written by a 26-years old woman is just fine though.

>>2054092
>Mermaids seduce sailors and drag them down to their deaths.
>Kyouko joins Sayaka on her death spiral because she has feelings for her.
Kyouko and Homura need to find better girls.

>>2054097
But that 26 year old girl isn't mentally stable enough to run the universe. She's dropping tea cups for no reason and chatting with no one.

>>2054099
>dropping tea cups for no reason
Homura wants to convince both herself and other's that she is a villain because she knows that Madoka will not accept what she has done, so she is try to make herself look like the bad guy. It's the same reason she wasted Kyouko's apple. She thinks she has to be the evil in the world for everything to balance out.

>chatting with no one
She's talking to the LoC half of Madoka's soul which is inside that thingy. The purple and black chess piece thing.

>>2054106
Consider also that having Kyubey believe she's too crazy to reason with could be useful in its own way.

>>2054114
So Homura is Richard Nixon?

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>>2054004
so this is still being worked?

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>>2054158
Yes, albeit slowly.

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>>2053980
>translation for the rest of comic anthology: never.
gee, thanks a lot for reminding me about it.

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KISSU WHEN

>>2054106
Is there anyway to save Homura from her autism?

>>2054240
I'm alright with people dumping doujins, makes them easier to read.

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>>2053991
This was great. Kyouhomu is best

Madoka is not for sexual

>>2054238
Sweet yuri love?

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>>2054249
We can only hope.

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>2011+5
>people STILL taking the bait

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>>2054247
Madoka is for Homusexual.

>>2054106
>Homura wants to convince both herself and other's that she is a villain because she knows that Madoka will not accept what she has done, so she is try to make herself look like the bad guy. It's the same reason she wasted Kyouko's apple. She thinks she has to be the evil in the world for everything to balance out.

Madoka can get the fuck over it. It's not like she didn't make that wish off Homura's back anyways.

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>>2054256

The world needs more Homubutt and Madonkadonk

>>2053947
That is so adorable.

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>>2054238
All Madoka needs to do is fuck her

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>>2054406
>What, if some day or night a demon were to steal after you into your loneliest loneliness and say to you: 'This life as you now live it and have lived it, you will have to live once more and innumerable times more' ... Would you not throw yourself down and gnash your teeth and curse the demon who spoke thus? Or have you once experienced a tremendous moment when you would have answered him: 'You are a god and never have I heard anything more divine.'
>My formula for human greatness is amor fati: that one wants to have nothing different, not forward, not backward, not in all eternity. Not merely to bear the necessary, still less to conceal it—all idealism is mendaciousness before the necessary—but to love it

When I read shit like this, sometimes I wonder if even yuri can save us now.

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>>2054412
yuri with Madoka can solve anything

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>>2054423
She'll continue to breakdown as they get more and more intimate.

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>>2054426
Homura's ice queen attitude will breakdown that is.

>>2054106
>She's talking to the LoC half of Madoka's soul which is inside that thingy. The purple and black chess piece thing.

Is it confirmed she's talking to the LoC? Because I always thought that and wondered what kind of conversation they were having. I know she is essentially dancing with Madoka in the post credit scene.

>>2054170
Thanks for scanning this.

>>2054106

>She's talking to the LoC half of Madoka's soul which is inside that thingy. The purple and black chess piece thing.

Citation needed.

>>2054197

Thank you for your work! This doujin happens before the main series?

>>2054412
Did you know that Homura's erratic behavior in Rebellion may have been caused by the syphilis she caught off a prostitute that looked remarkably like Madoka?

>>2054412
All she wants is to be with Madoka. Madoka wont abandon her this time, but they'll need to actually listen to each others wants and needs. Yuri is exactly the thing that will save HomuHomu.

>>2054655
I'm so close to dropping Wraith Arc because of this last chapter.

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http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/2333521?tags=parent%3A2333516

This is great though.

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>>2054648
Madokami's power is within the crown. This is why the earring missing from Homura's ear in the concept movie is a very big deal.

>HOMULILLY - Witch name is written on the torso region
>Upper left: Dark Orb: Alternate Form (Worn only on left ear)
Has the ability to quietly whisper information gathered by the witch's servants to Homura.
>Bottom left: As it is similar in nature to a witch, the Dark Orb will occasionally walk about on its own. It does listen to orders, but it isn't something Homura can leave unattended.
>Bottom right: Lizard-shaped The eyeball is a (purple) gemstone. Madoka's power is sealed in the gemstone hanging off its tail. Unlike when she was a magical girl, when Homura uses magic, patterns come from the body, and the eye shines, giving the impression that the gemstone is not used as a medium.

>>2054680

Power != soul, though.

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>>2054678
I don't want Homura to be with a fake evil Madoka, I want her to be with the real thing

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>>2054715
Neither do I nee-san. All we can do is hope. Which is exactly what Madoka would want us to do.

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>>2054713
The human half of Madoka is what gives the Law of Cycles it's form. By taking Madoka out of the Law of Cycles, it's reduced to amorphous power.

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>>2054718
>All we can do is hope. Which is exactly what Madoka would want us to do.
>That pic

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>>2054728
She's eating out the real Madoka, so I thought it was appropriate for /u/.

Also, MadowraithHomu mindbreak/corruption doujins when?

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>>2054732
Don't get me wrong, it was great. Just that those touching words accompanied by Homu munching rug struck me as really out of place and pretty funny.

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>>2054741
It's how Madoka dirty talks.

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>>2054747
>Madoka talking dirty

She could say the lewdest things and it'd still sound pure coming from her mouth.

>>2054680
She's talking to her witch stand, like Sayaka has Oktavia.

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>>2054803
>Stand
She's obviously using a persona

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>>2054772
I doubt it takes much to get Homu going

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>>2054821
Madoka's more actions speak louder than words kinda girl.

>>2054816
What if you had a Stand and Persona at the same time.

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>>2054842
what about a fursona?

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>>2055060
A cat is fine too.

Someone post some madohomu lewdness, my folder is empty.

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>>2055249

>>2054090
>unless gen is writing the manga I wouldn't consider it canon.
If he doesn't write the new tv series, would you say it's not canon?

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>>2055249
Too lewd for /u/

>>2055262
Jesus Christ, anon, it's a good thing you spoiler'd that.

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>>2055261
Not that nee-san, but if Gen isn't actively involved, I think I will have a serious problem based on principle.

Not only that, but consider this: Rebellion's ending split the fan base. If Gen is writing and we get a MadoHomu ending, then we can say that the story ended on a yuri note. If Madoka and Homura end up becoming enemies for eternity, then MadoHomu fans and just fans of the chaarcters will just have to suck it up and move on.

If Gen is not writing, then a MadoHomu reconciliation will forever be regarded as pandering (even I would feel that way deep down inside) and an ending where they become enemies would be forever rejected by a major portion of ghe fan base.

This doesnt even begin to tackle the actions of the other characters. If KyouSaya were to happen on someone other than Gen's watch, you could bet that it would forever be regarded as pandering to the yuri and shipping base.

>>2055276
>then we can say
>then MadoHomu fans and just fans of the characters will
>you could bet that it would forever be regarded as

Why are you even concerned about such things?
This is entertainment, just enjoy yourself.

Fandom drama is probably the most trivial thing on Earth.

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>>2055276
Cont.

That ofcourse doesn't even touchon the quality of the work. Psycho-Pass 2 is what happens when Gen's work is done by someone else. Even if Shinbo and InuCurry and the rest could dress the product up nicely, it's highly likely that the key themes of the series would be misundertood and/or bastardized. None lf the spin-off manga compare in terms of quality to the original material. While Gen isn't the sole reason for Madoka's success, this is his baby that he raised and understands.

>>2055281
The only reason we have anything beyond episode 12 is because of the reaction from the fan base. If you don't understand why having a consistent writer is important, I don't think we cam have this discussion.

>>2055285
You are missing the point.

If a different writer pulled off an amazing script, instead of worrying that fans might not accept it as canon or whatever other nonsense they'd bicker about, you should just be glad you got a quality product.

>>2055294
>If a different writer pulled off an amazing script

This almost never happens. It almost always results inconsistencies and with something like Rebellion where the complexities of the plot and consequences of the ending are paramount to what will happen next, any deviation by a new writer would reflect poorly on the overall product regardless of the quality of their script.

>>2055305
Okay, I'll take your word for it, but that has nothing to do with what I've been saying.

Your premise was about the implications of a given script being written by a different writer, not about whether a different writer would likely write a worse script or not.

Wraith Arc
>Mami is a typical veteran magical girl/realiable sempai figure played straight. She has no weaknesses and is not even affected by her kohai's death in the first chapter.
>Homura is literally doing everything hilariously wrong and being more of a manipulating bitch than ever in animated form. She can also rewrite memories for no reason.
>Kyouko gives a sappy speech about being jealous of Sayaka's friends because she wanted to be her precious friend. This was never a thing
>Hitomi never confessed to Kyousuke despite already dating at the end of episode 12. This renders Sayaka's death almost unnecessary.

These are the kind of inconsistencies within Wraith Arc that you get when you don't have the original writer at the helm.

>>2055312
The implications of a new writer after the previous writer has spent years developing the characters and story are that they will produce an inferior script which will detract from my enjoyment of the final product.

And I do think fandom drama is relevent to the enjoyment of a product. There's a big difference between the "drama" created by crack doujinshi or Homufags v Sayakafags and the drama created by a sizable percentage of the fan base being unable to enjoy actual content due to internal production decisions by SHAFT.

>>2055283
I think the Psycho-Pass 2 comparison is quite apt. I remember an interview back when it had recently been announced where Naoyoshi Shiotani talked about the inherent inflexibility of the story.

>Shiotani mentions he thinks they're going to be tougher to make than the original first season. Why, asks the interviewer, because they're being made at the same time?

>"No," says Shiotani, "it's more about the show's inflexibility." In other words, once they feel like they've nailed down a problem with the story, more pop up. Keeping everything consistent is one of the big challenges of an original sci-fi work, he explains, and those issues pile up when you keep adding to the mythology.

Of course, Madoka Magica is somewhat different from Psycho-Pass, but I think they both share Urobuchi's tight creative style. Elements fit together a certain way, because they were created with specific intentions for the story Urobuchi wanted to tell. When you start to deviate, even a little, there are lots of unintended consequences that will significantly harm the overall quality and coherence of the work, especially for fans who take the time to analyze or engage with the work on a deeper level.

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>>2055347
The way I see it is Gen's whole shtick is the conflict of ideologies and an almost gleeful punishing of those who don't hold up to their ideals. While I am praying for Madoka and Homura to fuck each others brains out across time and space for all eternity, the conflict is between two heroes that need to reconcile their differences, not between a hero and villain who need to kill each other. Homura is as true to her values and principles as Madoka is. Even if Homura hates herself for it, she will prevent Madoka from becoming a god again at all costs because it's her belief that she protecting Madoka. Even if Madoka doesn't want to leave Homu or her friends and family, she will return to the Law of Cycles becase she can't abandon her own principles by shirking her duty as the salvation of magical girls.

That is the Urobuchi story that needs to told and resolved before we can get that sweet sweet yuri.

>>2055350
Urobutcher is overrated. It's only when other people are restraining him that "his" story can be good.

>>2055419
So Madoka Magica?

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>>2055419
>NewType: What prompted this Puella Magi Madoka Magica project?
>Akiyuki Shinbo: It was Aniplex’s producer Atsuhiro Iwakami who proposed the project. He then lent me Fate/Zero that Urobuchi-san wrote and asked “what do you think about having Urobochi-san’s script on Aoki-san’s character designs?” I then saw the light.
>Gen Urobuchi: Since the project is full of talents, I surely can’t hold back on its potential. Although this is my first time writing script for an entire anime series, my plot proposal during the first meeting got accepted, and the script went on smoothly without much change to it from the first draft. It went on without a hitch to the degree I feel uneasy and began to question is it really okay.
>Kirara: For Mr. Urobuchi, what kind of work is "Madoka Magica"?
>Gen: For me personally, not much has changed. This is because "I designed the series concept myself" and "I wrote the finished script myself" - these two points made it very personal and special. It was my first time of having such a level of creative freedom. The acclaim given to the script, is largely due to all the people that helped build it up from that foundation. Because of this, I want to take this moment to tell everyone involved in this project, "we did it." I am very grateful to everyone for creating such a well received work together... Probably this kind of feeling. To be the scriptwriter of this type of work, I feel is a great honor.

I agree. But him being terribly overrated doesn't change the fact there is no Madoka Magica without him.

>>2055419
>It's only when other people are restraining him that "his" story can be good.

So Madoka isn't good?

If you actually read any interviews you would know the script is mostly unchanged from his original, and it is more like he was restraining everyone else since other staff, including Shinbo, kept begging him to change the fates of characters and he refused. Take a look at every not-madoka show after Madoka and you will often be able to see the moments staff decided they couldn't handle all the suffering they were putting on their characters and undid it or brought characters back, usually for unexplained or poorly defined reasons.

And "x is overrated" is just saying "I don't like x and it is popular", it is an almost completely meaningless statement even if it is true. Just say you don't like x.

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I truly don't think that SHAFT is stupid enough to pull Gen from writing the new project, whatever it ends up being. Madoka is important for them, from a culture standpoint and a monetary standpoint. Replacing Gen would be tantamount to playing Russian Roulette.

My biggest fear isn't that they replace him, but they they try to push him in one direction or another, in order to appeal to more people/make less SUFFERING/etc. Although again, SHAFT doesn't tend to be stupid about things like this. Take Monogatari, for example.

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>>2055459
>make less SUFFERING

I wouldn't worry about that. Based on the concept trailer, it's looks pretty apocalyptic. The nightmare will end when morning comes, but we're only half way there and there's plenty of time and possibility for suffering at the point we left off.

>>2055469
>New project ends with Madoka sitting in a white chair by herself in a sun lit grassy field.
>No Homu ever
I would die on the inside.

>>2055469
I still don't know really how to comprehend that last scene with Homu dancing, other than her being off her rocker. I feel like I'm missing something, symbolism or meaning-wise.

>>2055505
Reminding you that it's a happy ending for Homura. There's a chart floating around but it's a bit autistic. Don't read into that hard.

>Homura is dancing over Kyubey's beaten corpse
>She's reaffirming her purpose in life
>The half moon is meant to harken back to Ultimate Gretchem
Gretchem cliff hanger.

>>2055516
*literal cliff hanger

>>2055505
Also see >>2054412

It's a very nihilistic ending.

>>2055505
I interpreted the halved moon and world as half her world being gone, so Madoka. The one chair after two chairs being a symbol strengthens this.

Kyuubey going from "Hey whats going on here" to battered victim made me assume Homura is mentally and magically torturing the shit out of him.

I don't know about the dancing.

Her satisfied smile seemed somewhat demented, but honest. I do not know why she would be happy with half her world missing though. Falling off of the cliff seems like a suicidal thing to me which makes that weirder, all I can see is her believing that she has reached her goals and thus no longer has a reason to live.

>>2055531
>can see is her believing that she has reached her goals and thus no longer has a reason to live.
She has all the reason to live now. The whole film was her regaining her reason to live.

>>2055533
cont.

She hates herself, but she is not sad in the least. All suffering is worth it for Madoka. She went from being a broken nut cracker with no purpose to a being the one who will protect Madoka from her fate.

Which meguca would you say is most into butt stuff?

>>2055551
Kyouko.

>>2055533
>She has all the reason to live now.

We don't know what happened between the teaser and the end of rebellion, so we can't say that for sure. I suggested that because I can't think of anything else that would fit.

>>2055537
Yeah I know that. Though one could argue that suffering equals sad, since she really doesn't seem all that happy at the end of rebellion either. It makes her joy in the teaser much more confusing.

>>2055574
It's definitely subject to interpretation, but I think the distinction between happiness and satisfaction is one of the ideas Rebellion raised that will hopefully be explored more in the sequel.

>>2055574
>Hey joy is suprising

Because she isn't sad or sorry. This is why I as a Homufag am terrified. She is fighting for a wish she will never regret making. The only way for her to regret this wish is for her to regret that lovthand for that love to turn to hate. And at that point, there's no saving her.

>>2055582
But it really isn't subject to interpretation. Suffering for Madoka brings her happiness. Just because it upsets the viewer doesn't make it less of her happy ending. It's tragic, but there's a reason love is the 15th clara who commands the others: all of her self-hate, guilt, and suffering is nullified by that love.

>>2055617
All the more reason for Urobutcher to throw cuckolding in in the next movie.

>>2055551
Kyouko would be most interested in performing butt stuff, and Sayaka would probably be willing to accept it - all while acting tsundere about the whole thing

>>2055726
Wasn't that a major plot line already in the series?

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>>2055617
There's a possibility her love might turn to hate, or at least resentment. Yet, I think Homura would kill herself before she let it consume her. If hate does begin to taint her new soul gem, don't forget that just holding her hand, Homura's despair was stopped in its tracks. I imagine her resentment would work the same way if that ever became an issue.

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>>2056247
What did she mean by this?

>>2056249
That's the wrong place

>>2055531
>Falling off of the cliff seems like a suicidal thing to me which makes that weirder, all I can see is her believing that she has reached her goals and thus no longer has a reason to live.
It's a parallel of the scene when she first goes full witch and imagines Madoka falling off a chair and vanishing. That is itself a parallel of the scene in the opening where they are sitting together cheek rubbing.

My take on it was that they sat together as magical girls, fighting against despair (the opening scene), then post Madoka wish, Homura lost madoka, and was forced to fight alone and gave into despair (the witch chair scene) and then the final scene has her still alone, because she has ascended beyond being a magical girl and now is basically holding the entire world together alone while everyone else is off being happy.

Her falling off the chair isn't suicide, it's resignation. Madoka falls off the chair in the witch scene because she has gone from regular fighting to Godoka, Homura repeats the gesture because she is in a similar situation--Madoka's entire side of the chair scene is missing from that last one because she has been removed from power and from the need to fight (fight seriously, the way that they did pre law of cycles and against the wraiths). Her chair isn't there because Homura has accomplished her goal of saving her from the fight against despair.

My take at least.

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>>2053912
Different anon than the other who responded to you, but honestly at this point I'm seriously considering writing one as I'm constantly craving subby Homura and it's not a thing people write.

Unfortunately, I have no experience writing smut, so I might not bother so I don't utterly embarrass myself.

>>2056265
It doesn't need to be smut, it can be classy

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>>2055531
>Falling off of the cliff seems like a suicidal thing to me which makes that weirder, all I can see is her believing that she has reached her goals and thus no longer has a reason to live.

Homura is a desperate person in an awful situation. She doesn't know how to live without a Madoka to protect, so she breaks Madoka off from the law of cycles to save herself from utter despair. However, even thought Homura used Madoka's lines in the flower field as justification for her actions, ultimately she is aware that the person speaking wasn't actually Madoka and that her actions were a shit thing to do. She's bitter because the other magical girls wouldn't let her die, and feels trapped because a) she isn't actually truly happy in her new world because she knows it's hurting Madoka and it isn't what she actually wants but also because b) without Madoka around to protect Homura has no idea how to live and is in despair, and she's terrified of going back to that again. She's in conflict with herself, and thus overplays the "I'm the embodiment of evil" shtick to try to convince herself that this will make her happy but to also try to convince the other magical girls that she should die. This is also why she looked so sad when she gave Madoka back her ribbons--she isn't actually happy. And considering the suicide symbolism of her familiars taking off their shoes and jumping into the river earlier, her falling off the cliff is either an actually suicide attempt or symbolic of how much she actually hates herself. Homura is arguably the least happy out of anyone in her new world.

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>>2056263
You know their first time together is going to be awkward as hell.

>>2056265
It's because people don't know how to ship MadoHomu. Rebellion cemented Homura as the sub. If they're supposed to be yin and yang, Homura is by definition the passive partner.

I've got these post from /a/ that might interest you.

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>>2056276
omg where is the rest of this!?

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>>2056276
Homura felt the pleasure explode through her body. Madoka’s answer was clear, and there was no way Homura could beg her to reconsider. She couldn’t even stop time and beg with time frozen, because that would require transforming first.
Her shaky hand picked the stylus back up, and she raised back up to her feet. Her body was in total euphoria, every natural instinct and primal urge wanted her to just roll over and allow the release. She couldn’t though, not here, she had to fight it! She had to disconnect her mind from the physical sensation of her body, as if it those feelings belonged to some foreign entity that had nothing to do with her. Her only chance was to do this, and keep her mind occupied on something else.
She returned her eyes to the half finished math problem. She lifted the stylus and continued working it out.
The soft tap of the stylus hitting the screen, the black streaks it left behind with each stroke, the numbers themselves as she wrote them down; she tried her best to focus only on these things, but even if she ignored the vibrator, she only had so much control over her body's reactions. As if she and her body were separate entities, because she had no control over those feelings that were rushing through her. The pleasure, the anxiety, the fear, and her love for the girl who actually DID have control over her body right now.
Underneath her clothing her nipples were erect, her chest felt heavy, the tips of her fingers tingled, and her toes curled up. She felt her pussy pulsating involuntarily, and her leg muscles tightened in response, as if trying to cut it off. How much longer could she hold it back? Fifteen seconds? Twenty?
She was almost finished with the problem. Just one more step in the formula, and the answer would reveal itself to her. She could do it! Just a little longer… and…

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Suddenly, her hips flinched, her lips parted and a soft moan escaped her lips. It wasn’t loud, but it was enough for everyone to hear. That, and she was sure her face was bright red, she felt herself panicking. She just moaned in the middle of class! She thought quickly, and quickly put a hand to her stomach and groaned as if she had felt a pain there.
The teacher shifted in his seat, looking at her for a moment, as she then continued with the last step of the math problem. “Akemi.” The teacher said, “Are you feeling ok?”
Homura got her voice under control, and answered in her usual smooth way as her stylus continued to tap against the board. “Yes. It was just a slight stomach pain.”
“Do you need to go to the nurse's office?”
The stylus tapped a few more times as she wrote down the final answer to the problem underneath the long solution and underlined it. She set the stylus down, then brushed her hair back and turned away from the board. “No. That won’t be necessary. This should be correct.”
The teacher adjusted his glasses as he looked over the problem. Homura didn’t wait for him to offer her back to her seat, and started walking. “Looks good.” The teacher said, “You can… um…” When he saw Homura had given him the cold shoulder, he cleared his throat then started clicking around on his keypad. “Ok, who want’s to do the next one?”
She hadn’t actually cum yet, but she was right on the brink. The moan that had escaped her lips was just a slight tremor before the eruption. She focused on her breathing, and kept it steady as she walked down the aisle back toward her desk. Her eyes focused on the pencil. She just needed to knock it off as she sat down and Madoka would stop the vibrator.

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Madoka smiled as she watched her pet walk down the aisle. She saw the determined look in her eyes, the careful steps the tall girl was taking, and the slight twitching of her soft thighs. ‘See? I knew you could handle it Homura-chan. Your so amazing.’ She thought, as she readied her finger on the dial so she could switch it off the second the pencil hit the floor.
It wasn’t easy for her either. Of course, Homura must have had the harder time out of the two of them, but Madoka also felt herself getting really excited. Unlike Homura, for Madoka it was like an itch that she couldn’t scratch, and she longed for the day to be over so she could go back to Homura’s apartment, and have her pet relieve that itch for her.
Homura sat down, carefully lowering herself into the seat. Then, her trembling hand reach for the pencil… but she stopped.
‘What’s this?’ Madoka thought, suddenly perking up. She saw Homura’s fingers fighting with an urge, and instead of knocking the pencil off the desk, her nails dug into the desktop with enough force to turn her knuckles white. Her head lowered, letting her dark hair veil her face, and every muscle in her body tensed up. ‘No way!… she’s going to-’
Homura had been holding it back for so long, the floodgate of emotion and pleasure just begged to be released. Coming this far to have nothing happen would be too much for her to bare; she wanted to cum! Everything else around her washed away from her mind, she didn’t care where she was, or what might happen, she completely gave herself over to the sensation and let it all flow out of her.

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Her hand quickly clasped around her mouth to stifle the sound, but the high squeal still made it past. Her body twitched with the climax, her hips bounced, and her inner thighs suddenly became incredibly wet. She was left breathing heavy, and probably every head in the room turned in her direction. She pushed her pencil off the desk and the second she heard the it hit the floor, the vibrator stopped.

“Akemi? Are you sure you’re alright?” The teacher asked. Soft whispers were spoken throughout the class between the students. Did they know what just happened? Homura had moaned, but she still managed to contain it somewhat. She tried to anyway, but in all honesty when she was in that moment nothing else existed for her other then the sensation that pulsed through her body. She couldn’t remember the sound her voice had made, or how obvious it would be to anyone who heard it. “Akemi?” The teacher asked again.
Homura put her hands on her stomach, and tried her best to fake a stomach pain. “May I be excused to the nurse's office?” She quickly said. “I’m not feeling well.”
“Hm, I thought you looked a little under the weather. You didn’t have to force yourself, you know.” The teacher tapped his foot and looked amongst the class. “Who is the nurses aid for this class?”
“Um…” Madoka raised her hand and spoke in her small delicate voice, “That would be me, sir.”
“Ok, can you walk with Akemi to the nurse?”
“Of course.” Madoka said as she stood. She bent down and picked Homura’s pencil off the floor and set it down in front of the flushed ravenette, who still hadn't completely calmed down from the experience. “Ready to go? Homura-chan?” She asked.
Homura nodded and stood, then followed her mistress out of the classroom and into the school hallways.

LEWD

>>2056273
>You know their first time together is going to be awkward as hell.
I've been writing a fic about that. Except it extends for many of the times after that too. Man, I really have to finish that.

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>>2056429
Thank you again, fap-chan!

>>2056535
Shouldn't that be "schlick-chan"?

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>>2056613
I don't know how many nee-sans crossboard on /a/, but I have some more of anons work.

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>>2056174
>If hate does begin to taint her new soul gem, don't forget that just holding her hand, Homura's despair was stopped in its tracks. I imagine her resentment would work the same way if that ever became an issue.
Being dependant on Madoka is part of the problem though. Nothing will change for Homura if she can't bring herself to stop defining her happiness around Modoka's existence; that's what her wish represents in the end. The moment she loses Madoka, she'll fall again.

On the other hand, the writers might feel that being a Madoka satellite is Homura's defining character trait and wouldn't want her to change. I mean, character growth is a thing but some writers resist the idea, even if it means their characters will never achieve self-actualization. Still, if that's the case, the only other solution would be for Madoka to stay with Homura forever. Maybe that's what pic related is supposed to represent.

>>2057024
>Being dependant on Madoka is part of the problem though. Nothing will change for Homura if she can't bring herself to stop defining her happiness around Modoka's existence; that's what her wish represents in the end. The moment she loses Madoka, she'll fall again.
You know why no one ever suggests that Homura get over Madoka? Because it's fucking stupid at this point. She already altered the universe for her.

>Never acheive self-actualization
She did self-actualize. She decided that it was better to serve as an enemy figure to the person loves in order for her to live a normal existence. This was her character development. She reached her full potential: a god tier figure who achieved her power through her 12 years of suffering for the person she loved and the person she would suffer for eternity for.

In terms of character development and not morality, is Madoka choosing to self-actualizing by sacrificing herself for people she doesn't know supposed to be different? Madoka made a hard choice and one that she knew it was going to hurt leaving her friends and family. Just as Homura knew her betrayal would seperate her from Madoka.

>Still, if that's the case, the only other solution would be for Madoka to stay with Homura forever
That's is the expected outcome. It's also something Madoka won't have a problem with. It requires Homura allowing Madoka to regain her god form in order to achieve duality though, which is where the conflict stems from.

>>2057082
>This was her character development
Development, maybe, but not growth. Growth would require her to move on from the misguided idea that she can't possibly be happy without Madoka.

But yeah, I know it's unlikely to happen at this point. I don't think it would be stupid though.

>>2057090
Character growth would be her and Madoka coming to an agreement. Homura's happiness is reliant on Madoka just as Madoka's ascension was dependent on Homura. If we want to say Madoka derives her self-actualization and happiness from her sacrifice, then we are able to say Madoka's self-actualization was completely dependent on Homura because Madoka is dead in a ditch somewhere 100 timelines ago. Both of them think it's fine to take on the burden of the universe for the things they wished for and it's not fair to either of them.

>>2057098
>f we want to say Madoka derives her self-actualization and happiness from her sacrifice, then we are able to say Madoka's self-actualization was completely dependent on Homura because Madoka is dead in a ditch somewhere 100 timelines ago
The plot device that allows Madoka to make her wish and her determination to do it are two different things. The one who shows off her character growth is the latter.

>Character growth would be her and Madoka coming to an agreement.
That would be a change in the right direction. Still, Homura will never truly grow unless she realize she can be happy without Madoka. That belief is childish in and of itself.

But I again, I do agree that it's unlikely to happen.

>>2056429
If that's supposed to be chocolate sauce plz let it be chocolate the artist's depicted it very badly...

>>2057100
>Still, Homura will never truly grow unless she realize she can be happy without Madoka. That belief is childish in and of itself.
She's beyond broken at this point and a "Homura learns how to live without Madoka" arc would be so out of place that it has no reason to exist. The story is about the conflict of their seemingly incompatible wishes, not Homura learning to live a fulfilling life on her own. Homura would never have betrayed her if she hadn't fel she failed at granting her own wish.

>>2057100
She tried to be happy on her own and then shit like >>2054004 happened. Prior to the wraith stealing half of Homura's soul, she didn't seem to hung up on Madoka because she had an active connection with her. She knew Madoka was all aroud her. Once she started doubting if Madoka existed, she ended up moving toward her fall. If all it takes for her to be happy is to be with and end the goddess's loneliness, then so be it.

All Homura wanted was a chance to live a full human life with Madoka. It's completely unreasonable of Madoka (and Sayaka) to insist on muh Law of Cycle hurr durr when they could just spare a hundred years at most on Earth. It's not something she has to do indefinitely, and when she returns to heaven, she could easily bring salvation for magical girls again BECAUSE HER POWER WORKS IN EVERY TIMELINE, PAST PRESENT AND FUTURE, so she's not missing out on anyone.

The only excuse I could stomach is that Madoka wasn't able to become a human at will, that's why she couldn't give Homura even that small mercy. Then Rebellion Homura trapped her in an eternal(?) timeline, something she'll have to live in indefinitely, not just one life time, and that's why she has to fight against Homura.

Seriously, they just need to work together and respect each other's need. Give Homu one happy life time, then ascend to godhood together.

>>2057254
> It's completely unreasonable of Madoka (and Sayaka) to insist on muh Law of Cycle hurr durr when they could just spare a hundred years at most on Earth.

If they have to go back to the LoC, they'd better have a damn good reason beyond muh justice and muh martyrdom.

>Then Rebellion Homura trapped her in an eternal(?) timeline, something she'll have to live in indefinitely, not just one life time, and that's why she has to fight against Homura.
Homura stopping the flow of time is really the biggest problem I can see because stopping the progression of time in her scrambled mind means Madoka won't die at the end of the month.

>Seriously, they just need to work together and respect each other's need. Give Homu one happy life time, then ascend to godhood together.
We can only hope!

>>2057100
>The plot device that allows Madoka to make her wish and her determination to do it are two different things.
Madoka would never have made that wish if Homura hadn't gone back in time. Her wish was to save a cat. Had she not learned of Homura's struggle in episode 11, she would have never understood that Homura was fighting for her and that by making any other wish would under any other circumstances, it would result in her dying and becoming a witch. While Madoka didn't make her wish for Homura, she only came to the realization that such a wish was necessary and possible because of Homura's actions. In the final timeline alone, Madoka's wish was going to be for cake (or something similarly stupid), to become a magical girl for the sake of being a magical girl, to have enough power to stop Sayaka and Kyouko from fighting, and to save Sayaka from her death spiral. The purpose of the naked space hug was to show Madoka's appreciation for everything Homura did and that she wouldn't have been able to do it without her fighting for her in the shadows.

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>>2057325
Thanks you !

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>>2057325
Thank you scan-chan!

>>2057345
They're both naked and Madoka is wearing a collar and Homu is still blushing?

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Assuming Homura wasn't burdened by guilt and self-hatred, was Rebellion Moemura level adorable, and she took one timeline off to mess around, could she bed Madoka in 45 days or less?

>>2057433
It would probably take more than one timeline's worth of trial and error, but sure. Then again I don't think Homura would even bother trying when her goal is to save her life. But I'm sure she's confessed her love several times.

>>2057468
>Then again I don't think Homura would even bother trying when her goal is to save her life. But I'm sure she's confessed her love several times.

Yeah, it was completely hypothetical. I think by the time she came to the realization she was in love, things were too shit to consder making a move. And I think episode 11 is the closest she's ever come to telling Madoka her true feelings. Even at the end of Rebellion, she tells Kyubey the reason, not Madoka.

>>2057325
>Homu
>Domming
I'll have to push my suspension of disbelief pretty far, but God damn is that cover is hot. Thank you!

>>2056465
You definitely should.

Cute awkward Madohomu yuri is hearwarming

>>2057515
Guess we're opposite. I can only see Homura as the dominant yet kinda whipped one, whereas Madoka is submissive and sometimes a power bottom.

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Everything will be daijoubu.

Madoka will most definitely never rest until she can be at peace with Homura, or else she would never forgive herself.

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>>2057649
No, we have the same view on their in series relationship. I just like subby Homura. Madoka is definitely the more feminine partner. I think because Homura would also love nothing more than to melt her icy demeanor and be Moemura around Madoka is why I find it harder to place Homura.

>>2057653
Pretty much. It's just a matter of how the journey will unfold.

>>2057433
>could she bed Madoka in 45 days or less?
I don't know about that but I am sure she could accomplish holding hands and going out on a date and maybe even a kiss

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Finally read the rough translation for Wraith Arc 6 and once again, I'm ambivalent on this series. Homura's breakdown feels so rushed.

>>2057691
Moemura is just like a stereotypical awkward, shy adolescent boy character who later grew up into a jaded edgy man, who is tormented by war experiences yet still faithfully love that one woman who stood up for him when everybody else bullied him.

When such an archetype is a male, people have no problem accepting the grown manly man with a humane sentimental side (his love) as the "true" personality, whereas his shy self in the past is simply something he had grown out of. Yet when it's female, so many people cling on her adolescent self and think the current harden attitude is nothing but a facade to cover the "true" weak little girl who wants to be protected by her past hero, not something she would ever grow out of. And I think it is a sad trend of thought.

Homura used to get helped by Madoka, sure. But even in the first timeline, Moemura had never expressed any desire to be protected by Madoka. She was grateful for it, and she wanted Madoka to be safe and be close to her. She worked hard towards her goal of keeping Madoka safe: training to be a little bit stronger, becoming a comrade instead of a weakling who needs protection, then full on Homurambo, then rape-y devil. It'd be really nice if people would stop talking about Moemura as if she's Homura's "real self," and start to properly see Homura as a grown woman soldier with her humane sentimental side.

>>2057709
One of the most memorable moments in the tv series is Homura's emotional breakdown. There's definitely more than a little moemura left in her. Perhaps the fault is actually in all the male characters who are written to completely ignore who they were before?

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>>2057711
Completely ignoring who a character used to be is bad, but so is denying characters the ability to change over time. In my experience, the latter is clearly the bigger problem in anime/otaku-focused writing.

Homura has been working hard to change herself almost the entire time we've been watching her. Even her wish, when you really think about it, is a wish to change herself. Homura didn't like being Moemura even when she was Moemura. She's fond of the early timelines because that's when she was closest with Madoka. Since then, she has been though many ordeals, and perhaps more importantly she has made deliberate efforts to change herself.

I think that denying she has really changed both does a great disservice to Homura as a character, and sends a terrible message to the audience. "Hey, remember that awkward, insecure girl you were in middle school? You're stuck being her forever! No matter what, you can't change!"

Homura still carries Moemura within her in the sense that she would be different now if she had never been that way. But that's it. Moemura is gone and we should never see her again.

>>2057711
This >>2057720

Also I must add that a person breaking down when facing an extraordinary circumstance is completely normal, and has nothing to do with being weak/meek. Have you never seen soldiers crying over dead comrades? Have you never seen a strong dad breaking down at the news that his wife/child/corporation/country was lost?

Homura broke down at the prospect of eternally losing something she had poured her whole existence into protecting, and that's fucking hard. It has nothing to do with her still being the shy awkward Moemura.

>>2057720
>Homura didn't like being Moemura even when she was Moemura.
So much this. Homura disliked her weakness and wished to change it. It's not even an overnight process: the first timeline as a magical girl, she was still awkward, yet we can already see how friendship with Madoka had helped her to become a much less gloomy person. She became brighter, bouncing over to hold Madoka's hand in front of the class. Then gradually she became more reliable, confident and calculating in battles/around comrades. Then she got her final push to grow out of her innocence after killing Madoka for the first time. I think it is disrespectful to think Moemura is Homura's true self when the character herself disliked it and worked that hard to better herself.

It's not a facade, but character growth. It's very much like most ordinary persons who experienced a great shock while growing up (death of a family member, broken heart, betrayal, parents' bankrupcy) that will change who they are, even if they will still retain some part of their old self. Some become kinder, humbler, some become bitter, angrier than their old self. That's all.

>>2057720
>Homura didn't like being Moemura even when she was Moemura.
What.

She likes being Moemura alright, after all Madoka is attracted to Moemura, not Hommando or Homucifer. What she doesn't like tho, is being helpless.

>You're stuck being her forever!
For the vast majority of us, childhood was a sweeter time relative to adulthood. There are many things from childhood we deliberately cling to for as long as possible, this is not the same thing as being stuck. Homura would like to live the sweet love she experienced when she was an innocent 14-years old girl, but it appears that the universe is out to screw her.

>>2057757
>She likes being Moemura alright, after all Madoka is attracted to Moemura, not Hommando or Homucifer.
Madoka specifically tells her in one of the timelines that she thinks Homura can become 'cooler', which is what drives her to drop the Moemura persona.

I'm sure Madoka will like her just fine regardless of which version she is, but Homura definitely thinks that Madoka would have wanted her to not stay like that.

>>2057757
Homura could have simply wished for Madoka to be alive again. Instead, her wish was, more or less, to be a badass who could save Madoka.

>>2057759
>what drives her to drop the Moemura persona.
She does that out of necessity to survive and deal with everything that is being thrown at her.

Rebellion shows us what Homura's ideal self would look like: a much more confident Moemura who can be Madoka's equal. She doesn't like being the battle-hardened soldier just as much as she doesn't like being the shy and awkward Moemura.

>>2057766
>a much more confident Moemura who can be Madoka's equal. She doesn't like being the battle-hardened soldier just as much as she doesn't like being the shy and awkward Moemura.
I think we agree, we're just using "Moemura" differently. From what I've seen it's always used to refer to the shy, socially awkward version of her, visually depicted by her glasses+braids getup.

Post-series Homura or post-Rebellion Homura both wouldn't fit that label, even though they're different from the "Hommando" that we see during the series.

>>2057709
>When such an archetype is a male (etc)
Not really, people can call out a badass facade even when it's a guy wearing it. Three cases: Big Boss, Solid Snake, and Raiden. Within the narrative, ordinary people think of them as badass, while those who actually know them see that it's a mentally harmful make-believe, especially in Raiden's case.

If I can pity Big Boss (who declares himself a demon), I can pity Homura (who declares herself a demon).

>>2057766
I think it's important to remember that the dreamworld is intended to function as a trap. It's supposed to keep Homura and the others happy and ignorant. That Homura/Homulilly chose a more Moemura-ish version of herself for that world isn't really a compliment. This is reinforced by the way that Homura immediately switches to her badass persona as soon it's clear there is a real danger. So, I can't accept that Moemura-lite is her ideal self. She may be happier that way, but fundamentally she doesn't have confidence in that version of herself.

I do think that all else being equal, Homura would prefer to be on good terms with the others. I just think she has to learn how to do that as her current self, not by pretending to be her old self. Or, to put it differently, she can be kinder and more sociable without reverting to glasses & braids.

>>2057793
Yeah, I don't think Homura chose to look like her Moemura self in her witch barrier because it was the form she preferred, but because she had set up her barrier world as the tale of her transferring to Mitakihara and becoming friends with Madoka and her friends. She looked like she did at the start of her dream world because that's how she looked at the start when she actually did so in reality. I'm sure if the story had continued without outside interference she would have changed out of it eventually.

>>2057800
Yeah, that's a fundamental difference too. I took her defection from nerdville as a symbol of her maturing even when time around her was looping. When she hopped through dimensions, the only person who was a constant was her. The memories stayed. So how old do you think Homura really is, mentally?

>>2057709
>. It'd be really nice if people would stop talking about Moemura as if she's Homura's "real self," and start to properly see Homura as a grown woman soldier with her humane sentimental side.
If Rebellion didn't present a battle between Homura's personalities and end with a Homura that was still conflicted beneath the surface, maybe people would. We have 5 fucking Homura's in that movie and 15 emotional states that's she's externalized. They're all part of Homura though and she needs to reconcile that.

>>2057747
>It's not a facade
The entire devil get up and muh evilz should have been a big clue it is. The "true" Homura after Rebellion has yet to be seen.

>>2057759
>I'm sure Madoka will like her just fine regardless of which version she is
She already said she would. It's up to Homura to decide who she is.

>>2057766
>Rebellion shows us what Homura's ideal self would look like: a much more confident Moemura who can be Madoka's equal.
Key word there being equal.

>>2057793
>I can't accept that Moemura-lite is her ideal self. She may be happier that way, but fundamentally she doesn't have confidence in that version of herself.
Moemura in Rebellion was way more confident. The problem is neither Madoka or Homura are their true selves in that scene.

>>2057820
>Yeah, that's a fundamental difference too. I took her defection from nerdville as a symbol of her maturing even when time around her was looping
This goes back to the facade though. The reason she made that decision was she decided she needed to discard her humanity. The Homura at the very end of the series was the one that showed maturation.

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>>2057720
I don't know how /u/ feels about the Rebellion manga, but I fucking love it.

>>2057996
Does she still AI YO?

>>2057996
I think it's great. I felt Hanokage had a really solid grasp of the characters and setting. There's so many nice little touches. That's part of why I tend to blame the Wraith Arc's problems on Hiramatsu.

>>2058158
Unlike the series manga adaptation which kind of does its own thing in some places, the Rebellion manga follows Urobuchi's script very faithfully.

I think the manga version of the "ai yo" scene is actually better than what's in the film. I recommend checking it out.