Sailor Moon

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So, how has Crystal been? I was too disgusted by the animation to keep watching past the first two episodes.

>>2034653
While the overall plot will depend on how you feel about the manga version if you've read it, the animation is a massive improvement over the first two seasons, thanks to the new staff opting to drop the CG stuff and go with designs that better fit animation.

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Just what I was looking for

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>>2034776

>>2034770
What episode is this?

>>2034807
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=804132

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>>2034819
Thanks.

>>2034654
>While the overall plot will depend on how you feel about the manga version if you've read it, the animation is a massive improvement over the first two seasons, thanks to the new staff opting to drop the CG stuff and go with designs that better fit animation.

the animation is so much better than the first two seasons. however, the style now reminds me a lot of love live..

>>2034770
Uranus was a shitty girlfriend.

>>2034770
...and then...
Neptune killed Uranus

>>2034858
>>2035165
Michiru was flirting with Mamoru a bit in the same arc. She and Haruka were both perfectly aware of what the other was doing.

>>2034858
What about Usagi and Mamoru? For all their love, they sure start thinking about other people just because they made eyes at them.

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>>2035377
Who would you rather fantasize about, Mamoru or Haruka? Besides, Usagi's such a huge dyke she once travelled back in time to make out with herself.

>>2035381
>Who would you rather fantasize about, Mamoru or Haruka?
Since I'm not a 14 year old Japanese magical girl nor can I properly imitate the mindset of one, I can't answer that question without bias.

>[Usagi] once travelled back in time to make out with herself
Current Usagi, or GRIM DARKNESS OF THE 31ST CENTURY, WHERE THERE IS ONLY WAR Usagi?

>>2035381
>Usagi's such a huge dyke she once travelled back in time to make out with herself.
...what?

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>>2035384
>GRIM DARKNESS OF THE 31ST CENTURY, WHERE THERE IS ONLY WAR Usagi?
The implication is that the time travelling incarnation is much, much older than that.

>>2035388
The last arc goes a little crazy. Okay, she actually travels back in time to kill the being who destroyed her kingdom and and killed all her friends, leaving her alone in the universe. However, since fulfilling her objective would have also prevented new life from being born, she decides to abandon it and makes out with her past self instead. Or something like that. The Sailor Moon manga always made me feel like I completely misunderstood the plot.

>>2034858
So, they were already dating at this point?

>>2035466
I think the idea that they weren't together from the start was exclusive to the old anime. Mamoru does however suspect Haruka and Michiru are going through some relationship issues in the manga.

>>2034858
In the manga version, yeah

>>2035377
Wasn't it an entire plotpoint that she was getting sweet on Seiya?

I personally like how Crystals doesn't hide that Usagi is bi.

>>2035518
Eh. In the end they pulled through though. Isn't that what's important in a relationship? Beating the odds.

So is it true that they really cranked up the subtext between Chibi and Hotaru?

>>2035591
Hotaru hasn't appeared that much yet, but initial reaction to Chibi is positive.

>>2035519
>I personally like how Crystals doesn't hide that Usagi is bi.
It is, though I also like the old anime's super closeted Usagi who wanted Rei.

>>2035592
It's still following the Manga but Toe has indeed cranked up the connection between them. They have a parallel to UsaMamo.

Especially with the way Chibi is acting. In the manga she thinks about maybe hotaru being her friend in Crystal she basically only spoke of her beauty.

Maybe they are more similar to usagi and rei's first meeting but Chibi seems to have a very obvious attraction to Hotaru.

there is also the fact that they used a huge amount of budget for that healing scene. I couldn't blame Chibi's attraction, Hotaru was gorgeous.

>>2035614
I think they did it also because well Black Lady and Mistress 9 is also a paralel between them.
Also wasn't that fucking Pegasus guy Chibiusa was sweet on a side note in the manga?
...
Wait since this is based on the manga, does that mean Hotaru has her weird robot body?

>>2035769
>Also wasn't that fucking Pegasus guy Chibiusa was sweet on a side note in the manga?
His role is pretty similar in both versions. the last chapter of the manga's Dream arc has Chibiusa restore him to life by kissing him and thinking about how he's going to be her prince once she grows up.

>>2035794
Pfft, as if that's gonna happen.

>>2035520
If I recall correctly, didn't the mangaka say that Haruka loves Usagi more than Michiru?

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>>2035999
I don't know if she said it, but she seems to imply it towards the end of the Infinity arc, when the world is about to end and all Haruka can think about is wanting to protect Usagi when Michiru is right fucking there. The old anime had Haruka instead explicitly say that while she likes Usagi, she prefers Michiru.

In her defence, Takeuchi did give them a much better relationship later, like the delightful chapter where the Outers form a family unit.

>>2036009
Considering that the new anime is adapting the manga faithfully, I'm already saying goodbye to the best Haruka/Michiru scenes.

It's odd to think that the old anime had more Haruka/Michiru yuri scenes than the new one.

When would be a good time to start watching again if I want to skip all the Haruka/Usagi arch?

>>2036173
End of infinity when Haruka and Michiru have to take care of Hotaru.

Didn't Naoko once admit that if Mamoru/Prince Endymion never excited. Usagi would of ended up falling in love with Uranus/Haruka.

>>2035999
She pretty much made it clear that all the girls love Usagi more than anything in the manga. Hence why they all swear themselves to chastity to her at the very end. The manga was pretty weird here and there.

>>2036261
>they all swear themselves to chastity to her at the very end
wat

>>2036267
I told you the manga is fucking weird!

>>2036261
What's Takeuchi's problem exactly?

>>2036272
No idea. Better question: has she actually done anything after Sailor Moon?

>>2036261
Wasn't it just Rei and Minako? Haruka and Michiru are still free to sleep together.

But yeah, it's one weird manga. I mean, everyone likes princesses, but who the hell writes a story about a modern teenager establishing herself as the god-empress of the solar system?

>>2036279
Sailor Moon sounds so much more interesting to me than it ever has before.

>>2036279
To be fair the Manga thing was weird anyway. From what I remembered she made the Manga mostly because of the Anime.

>a modern teenager establishing herself as the god-empress of the solar system?
You gotta admit that hasn't been done before or after ever again.

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>>2036291
>From what I remembered she made the Manga mostly because of the Anime.
Something like that, and it's pretty obvious she was saddled with a much bigger cast than she could comfortably handle in her medium. Ami and Makoto in particular get so little to do after the first arc they might as well have been written out.

>>2036333
At least the anime crew picked up that slack. And gave Rei and Minako some actual personalities too.

>>2036279
>god-empress of the solar system?
AVE IMPERATRIX. THEY ARE MY SAILOR SCOUTS AND THEY SHALL KNOW NO FEAR.

>>2036350
With silken skin and shiny hair!

So how long until the Chibiusa Heresy?

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>>2036291
>You gotta admit that hasn't been done before or after ever again.
It's something I really appreciate about Sailor Moon. Often these kinds of massive franchises for children are utterly formulaic and risk-free. Sailor Moon was very much not that with its weird plot, queerness, Christian imagery and occasional bits of horror.

>>2036291
>>2036333
The story about the creation was something like this:
She created the Sailor-V manga, then an anime studio came along and wanted to make an adaption, but with an entire team instead of a single heroine. Thus she created another manga they could use, which was Sailor Moon, as a sort off spinoff of V. This is why Moon sometimes seem like a copy of Venus, because they are essentially the same character

I'm liking the fact that Crystal is staying true to the manga, but those anime original Haruka x Michiru scenes were great.

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>>2036523
>This is why Moon sometimes seem like a copy of Venus, because they are essentially the same character
I like how someone too lazy to design five different characters for her breakthrough manga ended up becoming massively rich out of it. It gives hope to us all.

>>2036508
>Often these kinds of massive franchises for children are utterly formulaic and risk-free.
Sorry to throw a rock in your stream of worship, but its long annoyed me how there has been such a large focus on the het crap between Sailor Moon and Tuxedo Jackass. Made even worse by the fact they go as far as having Moon say that she wants to commit suicide if she can't be with him. Total garbage that I was hoping they would have cut out of the crystal anime especially in this day and age, but didn't, and to rub salt in our wounds they even had that opening song about we don't need men then quickly followed by throwing by throwing crap in our face.
I want to believe in the yuriness of the Sailor Moon girls like many of the thread seem to, but as you can see I find it extremely hard (practically impossible). :(

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>>2036545
>entirely forgetting about best girls
What are you doing?

>>2036556
>entirely forgetting about best girls
I've seen all the fan art of the two of them for years, but can we really count on it paying off for us? I don't know much about the overall Sailor Moon story (what happens to each character, etc), but I have got the impression from what I've read in the past that the two (M&H) don't get a happy ending, and one or both end up dead in the end (from the impression I've got in the past). If the impression I've got is wrong I'll be happy, but I seriously doubt it. I know some of /u/s will take whatever we can get in the way of yuri, but sometimes its hard to stay with it if you think things are going to go bad.

>>2036585
Every Senshi is alive at the end.

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Best ship

>>2036585
They raise a baby who calls them papa and mama, you tell me.

>>2036585
>I don't know much about the overall Sailor Moon story

You don't say!

>>2036654
Wasn't that just in the anime?

>>2036662
Nah Manga too. In the anime it's weird because Tomoe is still alive there.

>>2036545
Didn't Serenity literally commit suicide over Endymion once already?

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>>2036648
It may as well be canon. But I'm also fond of this.
If Haruka can two-time, so can Michiru, and she's better at the game than Haruka.

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>>2036545
Usagi/Mamoru is pretty generic in the old anime because Ikuhara and the others clearly didn't care about it at all, aside from his potential for comedy. The manga is a little different. I don't like their relationship in any version, but having your heroine kill herself after her boyfriend's death, twice, is certainly not a formulaic move in children's entertainment.

>>2036585
What a delightful post.

>>2036896
I kind of like the idea of Michiru showing Rei the ropes of lesbianism.

>>2036911
How could you not be monogamous with a girlfriend like that? Goddammit Haruka.

>>2036914
Haruka's a player, that's never going to change. It's part of her character, and I think Michiru knows and accepts it(and she's more than happy to do the same whenever the opportunity presents itself). Haruka's blatant though; Michiru plays the subtle game.

I've always liked the idea of Michiru seducing Ami alone while they're at the pool, but that's just me.

>>2034651
haruka's voice my god so men

>>2036648
It really is a great ship

I wish it was canon or teased

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>>2036944
I don't think either of them would actually sleep with a third party, even with permission. I can see them being into threesomes, though.

>>2037200
It's teased throughout the show! The dance, the ice skating ep, the infamous alley scene... That's why it may as well be canon.

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>>2037505
Too bad the teasing mostly stops after season two, aside from the dance. I'd really like to know why the animators decided to no longer imply a close, potentially romantic relationship between Ami and Mako after that. Did they want to focus on their canon lesbians?

>>2037535
To be fair a lot of the side characters fall to the wayside after R, especially the inners. Stars implies Ami is a bit, hm, wilder though, so you could construe things from that...

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>>2037535
Probably, one pair for this show is enough, two is too many. At least they teased something besides that.

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>>2037573
>Stars implies Ami is a bit, hm, wilder
Are you referring to her apparent love of Kenny Loggins?

>>2037576
I'm not sure it's quite that. The Rei/Usagi implications never go away, for one.

>>2037622
Cute, but no, more like when she's revealed to be the #1 Starlights fan, teases Usagi about the implied girl crush, etc. They break down a lot of her 'shy, quiet one' aspects.

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>>2037622

>>2037647
crystal she knows how to use one.

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>>2037760
Not really.

>>2037765
omg wow Usagi...wow.

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>>2037622
ok tbf this scene in particular was because that idiot boy couldn't read English, so she gave him some bullshit instead so he'd fuck off.

Stone cold dead faced opportunist, my wife.

>>2037573
She's also pretty hot shit when it comes to fighting games.
I also remember her teasing Usagi that she'll steal Mamoru away, but she was clearly kidding on that one.

>>2036911
>Usagi/Mamoru is pretty generic in the old anime because Ikuhara and the others clearly didn't care about it at all, aside from his potential for comedy. The manga is a little different. I don't like their relationship in any version, but having your heroine kill herself after her boyfriend's death, twice, is certainly not a formulaic move in children's entertainment.
Didn't they admit they liked Rei/Usagi much more and it's the reason they are pretty much in a tsundere thing with each other?
It certainly is the most...passionate relationship either of them has on screen.

>>2037622
>Are you referring to her apparent love of Kenny Loggins?
Fun fact: Top Gun is considered a homo movie in Japan because of Mavericks chemistry with all the dudes compared to the lack of that he shows towards his actual love interest.
Take the implications of Ami liking the movie's main song however you like.

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>>2037796
There's an interview with Ikuhara where he's asked about the lesbian undertones in Sailor Moon and he gives a weird answer about not wanting to give his daughter Usagi to a guy, which is why he kept trying to kill Mamoru but he was always forced to resurrect him, or something to that effect. I guess he is implicitly saying he'd have preferred to pair Usagi with another girl (unless his whole answer was a joke), and Rei's a pretty good candidate, but as far as I know no one from the anime has ever explicitly talked about Rei/Usagi in interviews.

Personally, I think Rei/Usagi is best when it's fragile and hidden away. Isn't it charming if they go through their very long lives wanting each other without ever admitting it, even to themselves?

>>2037805
Surely Top Gun is considered a homo movie everywhere. But yeah, there are implications that Ami finds homosexuality interesting. She says something about Mamoru and Fiore's relationship in the first movie that makes Minako tease her, speculates about Haruka and Michiru being a couple in S, and expresses disagreement when Usagi insists on her heterosexuality in Stars.

>>2037850
Honestly if I was a father I wouldn't want some dude porking my little girl either. And that's not just because I like yuri.

>expresses disagreement when Usagi insists on her heterosexuality in Stars
Well no way is Usagi gonna insist on that one in Crystals. She can't deny how much she oggled Rei in that.

>>2037857
Rei and Minako are best together. leader and second in command

>>2037860
Too bad they had way more interesting personalities in the old anime.

Now this is some cute stuff.
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=54207517

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What are the chances?

>>2037895
For an on-screen kiss? Close to none because there isn't one in the manga.

If they animate Stars we'll get an Usagi/Seiya (f) kiss.

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>>2037857
Screencaps / link to manga please.

>>2038009
>Screencaps / link to manga please.
I meant in Crystals. In the introductiory episode of Rei Usagi had literally heart shaped eyes because of Rei.

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>>2038009
Here you go, Usagi ditching Ami to chase a pretty girl. It's in chapter three of the manga, available at missdream.org .

Did Crystal drop Rei/Usagi after this just like the manga?

>>2037860
I was involved in an RP once that wound up pairing Ami and Minako... the sparks were surprising. Maybe it's the shy/firebrand thing.

>>2037860
Rei/Minako has always been my favorite. Live Action was a dream come true.

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>>2038096
I stopped watching because that version of Usagi was an utter bitch who among other things left Rei to fight off a youma attack alone because she was too busy moping over Mamoru.

>>2038091
I always thought they had lots of potential. Don't you just want to see Ami being shyly happy as Minako exuberantly showers her with love?

>>2038120
In all honesty I only watched for Rei/Minako. Their interactions made the show.

I'm about to start season 3 of Sailor Moon Crystal. Seaons 1 and 2 legit sucked, I hope the story picks up.

>>2038087
My bet would be: yeah.
Though honestly did they have much of a relationship in the manga anyway?
The old anime had them at each other's throats all the time after all.

>>2037987
>If they animate Stars
Man I know it will already suck because it won't have this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yln-GcZOVs

>>2038283
Not really, Rei still picked on usagi a little but they were never like the anime versions. desu Rei was just being really blunt.

The only time I believe Rei gets angry in the manga is because of Minako.

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Get in, little girl! I have candy! Don't you want candy?

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Them party v& analogies keep appearing. The "first time riding a helicopter" comment didn't help.

Also, while you're at it Chibi-Usa, don't tell anyone we aren't actually flying this helicopter, as it seems to have no controls of any kind.

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>>2038120
I love the Ami/Minako shipping! I find them strangely compatible, which is why I put them together in my (rather long) Sailor Moon fanfiction.

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Also this, which I commissioned. Also put them in a fanfic. It was 100% safe for work, though. I dunno, I think they'd be compatible.

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And as for the Rei/Michiru thought, there's clearly someone else with the same train of thought. Choo-choo!

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>>2036944
Like THIS?!

>>2038505
Very very close. Just make that in public and we're spot on.>> (The forbidden nature of those two paired with the boldness of a public place just makes it even sweeter.)

>>2037850
>Isn't it charming
No, its a sad tragedy.

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Never.

>>2039001
Didn't expect that honestly.

>>2039001

wait did this actually happen in the show?

>>2039077
no.

>>2039077
I wish.

>>2039155
Where is that from then?

>>2039155
Weird, aren't they like one of the most popular pairings? Although, to be fair, they also aborted an Usagi/Mamoru kiss in one of the earlier episodes.

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>>2038984
Somehow, Rei/Usagi/Suffering hurts me just the right way. Like that moment in Stars where Galaxia's killed everyone and Usagi ignores the last moments of Ami, Makoto and Minako because she's too busy holding Rei and begging her not to die, citing their promise to always stay together. And how even in that moment, even though it may be her last act on earth, Rei reminds Usagi of Mamoru, because not doing so is too dangerous. It nourishes my soul.

For everyone who isn't broken like that, this is a pretty good fic: http://archiveofourown.org/works/6344917/chapters/14536849

"Minako helps Rei get with Usagi" isn't the most original premise out there, but its take is refreshingly earthy and the writing's good.

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>>2039001
Bravo to whoever animated this. You are doing the Lords work my unknown friend

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Orgies solve everything.

>>2039164

that's amazing. and also makes me kind of bitter. cmon crystal writers, I know haruka/michiru never kissed in the manga but you can let them do it anyways :(

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This one made more sense during the glory days of Toonami.

>>2039214
To be fair neither did they in the first anime so I'm not that much dissapointed. I'd like to see the dub try to make them cousins now though.

>>2038120
The Usagi/Mamoru aspect of that show was definitely the worst part of it. I enjoy most everything else about it, but Usagi getting a call about Rei being in danger then ignoring it to mope about Mamoru? That made me sick.

I've never really been a fan of any of Usagi's getting together with Mamoru stories though, and it's not just because of the whole being a yuri fan thing. I dislike how they always play up Mamoru as this mysterious bad boy and have him act like a jerk when he clearly is not.

That's probably why post season 1 anime Mamoru is the only one I'll ever find any sort of joy in. Dorky Mamoru gushing about the power of friendship while arriving in a Santa suit and wearing fuzzy slippers with domino masks stitched onto them is infinitely more endearing than demeaning angsty Mamoru.

>>2039644
>That's probably why post season 1 anime Mamoru is the only one I'll ever find any sort of joy in. Dorky Mamoru gushing about the power of friendship while arriving in a Santa suit and wearing fuzzy slippers with domino masks stitched onto them is infinitely more endearing than demeaning angsty Mamoru.
Yup. While I still dislike their relationship (and not just because yuri) I definitely like Mamoru on his own in later seasons. If only for his stupidly awesome speeches.

So the NTR keeps going on and on? Should I drop this shit now?

>>2039797
Consider that 99% of what happened in the 90s anime was original.

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>>2039644
>That made me sick.
It felt like something you'd read in a bash fic written by a particularly dim 12-year-old. We're we really meant to like her after that?

>I dislike how they always play up Mamoru as this mysterious bad boy and have him act like a jerk when he clearly is not.
I do find the idea of a college student who apparently considers himself cool constantly and pointlessly antagonizing a 14-year-old girl pretty funny, but it's not a very likable trait. I guess that's why they stop with the double tsundere thing once they become a couple; it would come across as abusive.

But yeah, Mamoru is fine. I kind of want to read a retelling where he decides that no matter what he did in a previous life, dating a middle schooler is way too weird and becomes an awkward big brother figure to Usagi.

>>2039968
He's a high school student in the manga/Crystal, though. I don't know why they made him a college student in the old anime.

>>2039981
Well highschool and college is pretty much the same difference more or less. He's supposed to be 18/19 either way. Now what I want to know about the old anime is how the fuck he could afford that nice apartment AND that sweet car on a college student salary?
Is his present day family rich?

On another note that Rei and him were "dating" for a while was also kinda weird, but not in a way that it actually bothered me at the time since it gave Rei a bit more to her character, which I always found lacking in the manga anyway.

Zohany the implicator

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Hoping for romantic Haruka x Michiru in Crystal is a long shot, right?

>>2040075
Speaking of which, full version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtiUFi2PKRs

>>2040067
>hoping for anything romantic in Crystal
fixed that for you.

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>>2040081
>dat fucking violin

>>2040083
Just trying to be less cynical than usual, neesan.

>Mercury - water
>Venus - constriction?
>Earth/Moon - N/A
>Mars - fire
>Jupiter - lightning
>Saturn - (unknown as of yet)
>Uranus - wind
>Neptune - water
>implying Pluto is a planet
Makes sense in most cases and not at all in the surprising amount of two. Impressive.

>>2040087
>Just trying to be less cynical than usual, neesan.
And I'm just saying that even the main romance isn't that romantic. At least in my opinion anyway.

>>2040089
Wasn't Saturn's power time?

>>2040089
>Saturn - (unknown as of yet)
Planet destruction and probably darkness (in the dark is not evil variant)

>>2040093
Nope, time was the power of "why are you even here?" Pluto.

>>2040094
Welp. Still, not a lot of that on actual Saturn, so add another to the "doesn't make sense".

>>2040098
>Welp. Still, not a lot of that on actual Saturn, so add another to the "doesn't make sense".
What can I say, 2/3 of the Senshi's attacking with gas doesn't exactly sound exciting, does it?

>>2040099
Might be more merciful to kill the motherfucker with gas than the rather painful way they actually kill them.

>>2040119
I'm pretty sure the jews will disagree on that one.

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>>2040089
The powers of everyone from Mercury to Saturn (excluding Moon) actually come from Chinese astrology, which associates the planets that are observable to the naked eye with different elements. The planets are actually named after the elements in Chinese and Japanese. Thus,

Mercury: Water
Venus: Metal (her chain)
Mars: Fire
Jupiter: Tree (she mostly uses lightning, which is apparently associated with the tree element, but probably mostly because of the god Jupiter. She still gets an attack called Jupiter Oak Evolution and the kanji 木 in her name)
Saturn: Earth (well, she can destroy the Earth).

Since Uranus and Neptune aren't part of traditional Chinese astrology, their representatives go with elements associated with their Western mythological namesakes. Pluto, which was a planet in the nineties, should be death. However, Takeuchi needed someone with time powers. She tries to get away with it by having Pluto call herself the daughter of Cronus/Chronos (who aren't actually the same being, but they made the same association in Antiquity so we'll let it pass). However, by the same logic Jupiter and Neptune could have time powers, since they too are children of Cronus. Then there's Saturn, who actually is Cronus.

Also, Hotaru calling Haruka papa is the funniest joke in the series.

Does /u/ have an archive?

>>2040415
it's called "tag: yuri" preferably it might be a good idea depending on your stance on the topic to try "tag: yuri, -futanari"

in case you don't get it, there are so many yuri images, just go to any image archive and search for yuri there. Gelbooru should be your first try

>>2040415
http://deploy.loveisover.me/u/

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I'll post the legendary "New Wave" once the Captcha nonsense wears off. Not familiar with New Wave? Oh, you will be.

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But in the meantime...

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Okay, who has the bigger yuri harem: Usagi or Zelda?

I'm addicted to this fucking ED.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEtE0OXPDYU

>>2042037
This song is everything!

>>2042037
I love it too, but I'm not so keen on Uranus' voice in Crystal. She sounds a lot more man-like, rather than boyish like her 90's counterpart.

Still, their voices do complement each other quite well in the chorus

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>>2042142
I got accustomed to Junko Minagawa, even though I like 90s Uranus way more for reasons you can imagine.

Michiru being the only one blushing triggers my autism

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>>2042152
I noticed it too, anon. It doesn't help my already-present distaste for the manga HaruMichi coming across as kinda one-sided (Haruka seems way more into Usagi than Michiru throughout the whole thing)

Michiru's new VA is great though, although I felt the "Deep submerge" was a bit... weak

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As promised.

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Posting the whole thing! ...Except the title page. And the last page.

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Don't ask. Please.

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Pretty sure you two are safe.

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Because one good blackmail deserves another.

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Except...why does Makoto get to have her first?

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That's better! Ami's known Usagi a lot longer, Mako. She called dibs way before you did.

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There's 35 pages of this!

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One more after this.

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Makoto's either like "Whoa, maybe I should do that to Ami" or "This is hot! I'm next, right?"

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>>2042276
I'm still clinging to my delusion that somehow they will include something that's not 100% manga. If I recall correctly, the did diverge in some parts.

Both World Shaking and Deep Submerge were absolutely great in the old anime, it'll take a while for me to get adjusted to this.

>>2042893
what's the source?

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>>2043104
I'll cling to that delusion along with you. Maybe they will diverge from the manga and actually give Michiru a personality in the Infinity arc

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I'm back!

Double the Ami, double the pleasure!

>>2042037
well that lasted all of 4 episodes

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Ami's getting some pretty special treatment!

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Whew!

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Oh, she's not done yet, Mako. Your patience will soon be rewarded.

>Ami, Usa and Mako in the scene
>Ami and Usa go at it twice, Mako doesn't intervene in any way
>Mako's next in Usa's list, but Ami seems to be sexed out
If there's no active threesome, I'll be livid.

>>2043104
Have they even "properly" used them aside from "sudden surprise attack"
Because back in the old anime when they first used those attacks we didn't have the proper attack animation like this one until much later.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rv30KD0uzw

That being said it's total ass they didn't just do a more modern rendition of their old theme. It's not like that hasn't been covered to hell and back after all.

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I wish this one was translated.
http://exhentai.org/g/47016/4c14a7997b/

>>2043811
They haven't used the attacks with a full animated sequence like the old show yet (at least, I hope it's a "yet" and they don't skip it altogether)

Space sword blaster was interesting - it's like it fired off a whole bunch of little World Shakings simultaneously instead of being an energy arc/slash attack like the old anime

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It's interesting that Mamoru didn't actually state "It looks like those two are going through a rough patch" in the last episode, in reference to Haruka and Michiru and why Haruka seems to be pursuing Usagi. Every manga translation I've read has it that way, whereas the crunchyroll subs for last episode said something like "I think there's really painful circumstance surrounding those two."

Could it be that Crystal is distancing itself from the whole 'they have a rocky relationship and Haruka is romantically interested in Usagi' thing from the manga and just emphasising their tragic mission instead? Perhaps I'm just too hopeful

>>2044004
Perhaps this was the correct interpretation of the phrase all along. It would make more sense in context, and it's not like Mamoru knew them enough to realize that they might be going through a relationship crisis or something.

An interview with Haruka and Michiru's seiyuus where they talk about this: http://natalie.mu/comic/pp/sailormooncrystal02/page/2

I can't read moon but I found a translation of part of it:

Junko: For Uranus, the princess is an important existence to her, and there is love between the 2 of them, but it is different from the love between Haruka and Michiru. Or rather than love (with the princess), I would say Uranus is fated to dedicate and serve the princess.

Sayaka: So this is different from a wife or a lover ne.

Interviewer: I see, I think it is very apt, but I gotta ask, wouldn’t Michiru get jealous of Usagi?

Sayaka: That’s the magnanimity of THE wife.
Junko: I see, you’re cool!!

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>>2044006
You're right, it would make more sense. Also, in the episode Mamoru says "He always looks like he wants to tell you something." vs. "He always looks at you with a degree of longing in his eyes" from the manga.

>>2044004
Hope so. Add a kiss and we're set, Crystal. I'm counting on you.

>>2043999
I'm going to cut a bitch if there's no World Shaking or Deep Submerge animation. That was some good stuff.

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>>2044010
Well at least they get it.

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See? Told you.

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Talk about being in the right place at the wrong time!

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Nnnnnnnnnnnext!

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That didn't take much coercion, did it?

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Saving the best for last!

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I promise I'm not cutting anything out.

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I think Ami's created a monster.

^_^

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Usagi realizes she's gonna need a bigger bed.

>>2044190
Well, she IS the representation of the Goddess of Love.

>all these girls
>sex them individually
I know you're not the smartest girl around, Usagi, but please get your shit together!
And Ami, who IS the smartest girl around didn't think about sexing both Usagi and Makoto at the same time. She has no excuse.

>>2035472
>>2036009

A big elephant in the room is Haruka is intended to be a big ol dollop of fanservice for the fangirls and you have to parse her behavior thru that.

The common belief - her new voice actress actually mentions something to the effect, when asked "hey uh isnt haruka really clingy with usagi?" - is Uranus just has the usual overprotective reaction to the princess the inners have, but since she doesn't have a preexisting relationship with Usagi beforehand and is... well, a big ol lesbian, she's misreading those signals. Michiru's voice actress implies Michiru understands that and it's why she doesn't get jealous (the show actually establishes Michiru doesn't take the flirting seriously, but fandom is resolved to be insulted on behalf of her I guess?).

ymmv if what actors thinks counts tho.

>>2038087
Usagi still describes Rei as a Cool Beauty in the third arc. It's interesting she's not into Michiru more than Haruka, because you'd have precedent for Usagi having a type: mysterious kinda-scary high femmes.

>>2038120
In the greater context though, I liked PGSM Usagi was more obviously a fuckup in handling friends sometimes. Especially when most versions treat her like the Perfect Friend. It was nice foreshadowing to PGSM taking the piss out of the Princess Serenity situation later, which I thought was relatively ballsy.

>>2039968
Mamoru honestly has a lot of weird and potentially "like the others but not quite" interesting backstory because of his circumstances, but is stuck in the role of mostly being the boyfriend character.

>>2042276
My fear was always SMC being hypercompressed and the fact that h/m's relationship, while interesting, isn't technically a huge plot-related thing and the kind of thing a harsh editor would cut out. Despite that Haruka always has top billing in every version of that story as the 'face' character, but in the decompressed 90s anime Michiru at least got more shit to do on-screen.

>>2044013
I think that's the kicker. Haruka's weird clinginess isn't too odd for one of the senshi, but the fact Haruka is explicitly a lesbian kind of colors the interpretation of things she does.

>>2036009
I don't think it's a slight against Michiru, but it doesn't help the manga is really blatantly Usagi-centric, so Haruka's relationship with Usagi is more thoroughly explored than the one with her own girlfriend. Everyone's relationship with Usagi is pretty much implicitly the most important one.

>>2036896
>>2036911
One bonus the manga has over the anime is the Outers start off less antagonistic and by the end of the arc, it's established both teams are friends, and come back to interact with each other in the other arcs. IIRC there are even specific platonic 'ships' mentioned in Dream arc.

While in the anime, there's that big fallout after discovering everyone's identities and they sort of... never bring it up again after the arc, and the Outers vanish completely and then only come by to see Usagi in awkward cameos. I never really bought the Outers in the anime were particularly close friends with the Inners, which is dissapointing.

>>2043259
I'd be madder but Takeuchi was refreshingly honest in admitting to dropping the ball on Michiru's early appearance, saying her 'hard-to-read' personality was difficult to write for and she's the least like herself and not pacing enough space to get into the two more.

Honestly, if you really wanted to do a bit about Haruka having an awkward aimed crush at Usagi that ultimately doesnt go anywhere, and not have Michiru overshadowed by Haruka's silliness it'd be interesting to have Michiru and Haruka introduced *separately* to the rest of the cast first.

>>2035472
Actually no adaptation directly mentions the exact status at the start of the arc - it doesn't help Haruka doesn't call Michiru her girlfriend in their introduction, just other people mention they would be a hot couple - and the usual explanation is 'whatever it's at, they're putting it on hold cause Plot'. It's obvious they're together afterwards though.

>>2044253
I couldn't get into lewd ships with them because of that. They got this weird air of patronizing/condescending to them.

Ideally I'd want Michiru and Haruka to show up by themselves be a little gay with the others for a while before becoming a couple themselves, but thats me.

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>>2044229
I think that's a little too simple. Haruka and Usagi's thing is a nice breeze of romantic and sexual complexity in a series that's at least overtly heavily invested in heterosexual monogamy.

>>2044237
Michiru's a little too scary for her. She can go toe-to-toe against Rei pretty well, which seems to be her favorite method of flirting, but it wouldn't work at all with Michiru. Still, I really like that Tsuruhashi Tamazo doujin where Michiru and Usagi have the fluffiest sex.

>>2044239
I don't mind Usagi not being a perfect friend, and it's something the old anime occasionally explored, like with her initial conflict with Rei, that one time she thought Ami needed distance from everyone when she was actually lonely and, uh, when she offered to murder a romantic rival for Minako. However, she always tried. PGSM Usagi just didn't care about her friends very much (see also the time Ami went evil), and if you take that away from Usagi, what makes her a hero anymore? If I was interested in the lives of mediocre self-obsessed teenagers, I'd unhide my cousins on Facebook.

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>>2044253
>IIRC there are even specific platonic 'ships' mentioned in Dream arc.
As far I remember, that stuff isn't any more in-depth than the first arc of Stars in the old anime, in which Haruka, Michiru and Pluto briefly team up with Ami, Rei and Minako, respectively.

>I never really bought the Outers in the anime were particularly close friends with the Inners
I don't think they're really supposed to be, aside from Haruka and Michiru being friends with Usagi.

>>2044229
>the show actually establishes Michiru doesn't take the flirting seriously
I don't think she even knows aside from that little scene after the arcade.

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>>2044424
By the way, I call her Pluto there because when she wakes up in the morning, she's Pluto and Setsuna Meiou is the alter ego, and not because I derped.

>>2044424
Don't forget Hota and Chibs, if Chibiusa even counts as an inner

>>2044427
That is the main annoying part - even though the seiyuus said it, it is pure conjecture that Michiru doesn't mind the flirting because she is never shown to even be aware of it

And Haruka's pining for Usagi definitely reads as romantic in nature to me - they pretty much just use Haruka for a half-baked love triangle for the purpose strengthening the bond between Usagi and Mamoru. I definitely think it was intended to be romantic in the manga, like Seiya, rather than the normal senshi-princess clinginess being misinterpreted

>>2044469
Yeah, I think the main worry is people who then find it depressing the only other canon couple in the series is basically fodder for drama involving the main one.

I'm sort of fine with Haruka being that flirty with Usagi as a plot point, even its to establish her personality, but I wish the timing was farther away from the touchyfeely Harumichi scenes, maybe beforehand, cause it just feels like Michiru is getting cucked in the process.

>>2044424
It gets weird because the promotional materials for the show still totally talk about how much the girls still admire and like the Outers, as if it's still cribbing from the manga canon.

There's an interesting effect in the SM musicals, where the early ones are more obviously "show-inspired" and the later ones, including the recent ones, ditch most of the tropes only found in the anime besides little sight gags like Minako disguising herself as Sailor Moon or Mamoru still having a green suit. When they weren't completely new material I mean.

>>2044424
The show sometimes shit the bed trying to handle more than the main senshi cast; StarS feels crowded as hell. I can believe writers were fine using any idea to keep the cast size down, even if it meant kicking the outer senshi out of their version of the dream arc.

>>2034858
>uranus
>shitty
kek

>>2044495
She's kind of a shitty person in general sometimes. It's weird how much they tried to talk up how ~cool and mature~ Uranus and Neptune were when they got introduced despite never really succeeding at the shit they do and doing things for dumb script reasons. by the end of the series they're just there to be to be Douches Part 2 to the new team for padding purposes. (Actually, when I think about it, they tried that with Mamoru too. The difference between how he comes off in the first season versus the later ones is surreal, before they just buried the character.)

One thing the non-anime adaptations get right is they don't really hype them that much, and it's Usagi's predictable enthusiam you can agree or disagree with. They actually come of as mysterious in Crystal.

>>2044535
Yep, totally agree, they come off much more mysterious in Crystal. I actually really like their music in Crystal too, that piano does a lot to amp up the mysterious vibe to them on it's own.

Versus the old anime, with it's ridiculous-yet-cheesily-lovable romantic music for them, along with the petals. Plus their first introduction as proper characters itself was a humorous one (the whole Haruka gender gag) so it's kinda hard to take them seriously.

I remember finding the drama CD in which Usagi and Minako go to HaruMichi's house looking for advice on how to be elegant ladies a bit strange. I know they both admire Haruka and Michiru, and I can totally see how you'd ask Michiru for tips on becoming a graceful lady, but Haruka...? Five minutes ago they thought she was a guy, heh. Same as Minako asking her if she had a boyfriend.

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>>2044491
I'd be very surprised if Ikuhara and Enokido actually wanted to get rid of the Outers, after how much they clearly adored them in S. Along with the much more childish tone, the whole thing reeks of corporate censorship.

Plus, the anime's problems with managing the cast are nothing on the manga, in which Takeuchi is so bad at coming up with things for Rei, Mako and Ami to do that they spend two separate arcs dead.

>>2044653
I always assumed since Ikuhara got in the groove of things during S - there's a lot of utena-isms in that season more blantantly than any others - he probably had a sense of more free reign with new characters than the established cast. Though IIRC his favorite character was Rei.

I dunno about censorship but the sheer amount of differences in SuperS from the manga and the show are jarring, and they removed a lot of the quirky interesting stuff; that the Outers show up in the comic during SuperS always made sense to me. I'm sure the decision to keep certain characters out and work on their new cash cow (Chibiusa) was just a exec/marketing decision (maybe the Outers didn't stay as popular as they were originally? ) but I also remember when Mamoru and Minako became 'regular' characters there was this weird period the script didn't seem to know what to do with them.

And yeah, I'll stan for the manga/crystal more than most folks, but it tends to drop the bomb on the inners besides a few really interesting scenes and bits. I'd still say the best version of them was in the live action.

>>2044653
It's mostly hearsay but apparently between the third and fourth season a lot of the old traditional talent bailed from the show and that might explain why SuperS has such a weird shift, for better or worse (worse)

Apparently StarS was an attempt to go back to formula to save ratings, since there's a lot of old tropes from previous seasons that come back in miniature, but it just feels slightly.. off to me.

>>2044653
Manga has some weird super saiyan syndrome where to some point Usagi Mamoru and Chibiusa are the ones who end up doing most of the important plot stuff.

>>2044653
Funnily enough PGSM went a good route in giving everyone shit to do because the actresses had other commitments and episodes couldn't always have everyone in them. So you had side-plots with one or two or three girls only and sometimes Usagi barely showed up at all. One reason the Minako/Rei shipping in that fandom was so big was their interactions were almost exclusive to each other.

Basically, Sailor Moon can work fine if the writers remember they could have an ensemble cast and that Usagi doesn't have to be the most Important Thing Ever in all episodes.

I've been reading around on several places that the SMC staff acknowledged that the Haruka x Michiru's relationship in the manga is very much different from the 90s anime, but they emphasized that they would've portrayed it as it was in the old anime. I've also read Junko Minagawa and Sayaka Ohara's interview posted above, and seen a video where they say that they watched the old anime and the relationship is even stronger in SMC.

So uh, when is this gonna happen anyway?

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>>2044904
Well, it's a matter of taste whether you call it corporate censorship or a (remarkably bad) marketing decision; either way the show goes from the more mature themes of S (and the first two seasons for that matter) to kiddy fare, aside from some of Fish Eye stuff and the really disturbing subtext that feels like someone's middle finger (rape imagery with the dream mirrors, pedophile horse). Plus, I can't be the only person who thinks Usagi and Chibiusa's transformation looks kind of incestuous.

>>2045004
I seem to recall that it was a marketing decision. They thought that the "older fans" were not coming back, and decided to focus on Chibi-usa to pander to "the new little girls" fans that she was supposed to brought in. In the end, that didn't happen and SuperS was axed.

>>2044564
>I remember finding the drama CD in which Usagi and Minako go to HaruMichi's house looking for advice on how to be elegant ladies a bit strange. I know they both admire Haruka and Michiru, and I can totally see how you'd ask Michiru for tips on becoming a graceful lady, but Haruka...?

That shit was funny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7owWcmX-xxU

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>>2044918
Probably shouldn't expect too much from the Infinity arc. The next couple of arcs should have more cute Outers Family moments that might be alright

>elite Mooks die the episode they're introduced
I don't remember this happening in the original.

>>2045191
I never noticed from the original show that there is one to counter each senshi (Fire Rei vs. Fire Eudial, genius Ami vs. genius Viluy etc.) because of how long the show had drawn out characters like Eudial, Mimete, etc.

To be honest, I kinda preferred that rather than this 'single episode showdown with your respective senshi' thing, even if it is how the manga originally intended them to be.

Evil counterparts to the senshi sounds familiar... the Shitennou, anyone?

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>>2045191
Didn't they get fucked pretty quickly in the manga?
I know the old anime had some serious infighting between the witches any they pretty much offed each other rather than have the Senshi's do it.
But who gives a fuck about them. I'm just here for Mistress 9

>>2045028
Thing with that decision was that the real interesting interactions (and what made her important to the plot after the future arc) was her friendship with Hotaru, which obviously was shifted a bit.
Though didn't Haruka and Michiru get their own SuperS special?
And obviously they appeared in that movie wih those weird flute guys.

I DID like the reappearance of Queen Nehellenia, but that was the first part of Stars already, wasn't it?

>>2045199
>Evil counterparts to the senshi sounds familiar
It's a recurring theme in the franchise.

>>2045199
Yeah. The old show gave them much more character that way. Made you actually feel a bit when they actually bit it.
Or being turned good in case of the Dark Moon Kingdom chicks in the old show.

>>2045205
>I DID like the reappearance of Queen Nehellenia, but that was the first part of Stars already, wasn't it?


Yes, it was to fix the Dark Moon Circus Arc that ended nowhere because of the cancellation. Stars was so much better that the rest of the series that is kind of ridiculous.

>>2045200
Ironically, S was kind of weird in that Eudial and Mimette stuck around so long that pacing got fucked up and the other minions has barely an episode or two before being killed off.

>>2045205
the SuperS 'special' is a compilation of sidestory stuff. One of them was to presumably allude the writers didn't forget the outer senshi exist and are suddenly superconfident the girls can handle stuff for some reason (ie the writers can't be fucked to include them).

They're in the movies too, but those scripts are ripped from the manga, so you have stuff like Pluto being not-dead at the wrong time and the Outers in general being helpful and less complaining.

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>>2045217
>Stars was so much better that the rest of the series that is kind of ridiculous.
It had Sailor Galaxia (the actual Sailor Moon version of the God-Emperor if you think about it) and the idea of Senshi's being turned evil, that was pretty cool. Also Galaxia fueled more than one MILF fantasy for me.

>>2045222
>They're in the movies too, but those scripts are ripped from the manga, so you have stuff like Pluto being not-dead at the wrong time and the Outers in general being helpful and less complaining.
I actually only watched that movie after I finished the show, so I thought it was taking place afterwards.

The other movies obviously gotta take place even before S seeing as there's no Chibiusa around.

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>>2045189
>that feel of resignation for you favorite lesbian couple
Fuck off Toei, you sit on a throne of lies.

>>2045227
Haruka's ears in the manga are always so creepily huge

>>2045227
is michi shirtless?

>>2045274
No, the rose pattern behind Haruka's shoulder is her dress

Did Haruka use "ore" or "boku" in the manga? PGSM is boku, SMC is ore, so I assume the latter.

>>2045507
I think she uses ore and watashi in the manga.

I started watching this anime cause Uranus/Neptune is supposedly so good but Uranus goes around and flirts with worst girl and even goes as far as kissing her. Not even the yuri makes this below average show redeemable.

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>>2045717
Well, they were great in the old anime. Not so much in the manga/SMC, even though the staff said that they'd follow that line re: their relationship so that's weird.

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>>2045728
I know dubs are shit, but at least they're not cousins on the new Viz re-dub

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Less talkin, more walkin.

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Aww.

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I wanted to write a fic where Usagi flashes back to her life in the Silver Millennium, and Jupiter taught her how to ice-skate. They inevitably become VERY close (lovers, basically), and modern-day Usagi wonders if her flashbacks have any correlation to the present.

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Problem is, I'm usually too lazy, tired, or busy to write.

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You'll just have to settle for my Makoto/Naru story.

>>2038501
which you're now morally obligated to share.

>>2047184
source?

Damn, Michiru didn't catch a break this week either.

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>>2047790
Being Michiru is suffering.

source is http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/supernova

>>2047824
>>2047825

There was also Chibi-usa blowing the fuck out of some boy because she only thought of Hotaru

>>2047844
Boy BTFO is good.
Michiru BTFO is not. ;_;

>>2047204
Okay...you asked for it.
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8307369/1/Sailor-Moon-FOREVER

>>2047444
I wish I could tell you. It was probably in nhentai.net, but good luck finding it even with search tools.

>>2047825
Wow, I almost thought this was from the original. That budget increase.

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Needs more love for my favorite lesbian.

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I hope we get some Haruka/Usagi ntr doujinshi.

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>>2049087
No bully.

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Hi, just leaving a image of best couple, enjoy.

>>2049211
Is that MadoHomu?

>>2049257
No, its the couple Madoka and Homura were copies of.

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>>2049313
Good one neesan.

You think they'll keep following the manga 1:1? I don't remember everything clearly, but I read somewhere they they're cutting some stuff compared to S1 and S2.

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>>2049825
Talking about copying is going a little far, but the influence is clear.

>>2040089
> Saturn

A cycle of death and rebirth at the very least.

90s
https://jii.moe/VkKbb35WW.webm

2010s
https://jii.moe/E1XgT-lGb.webm

New episode, they removed Neptune/Uranus stuff (there's one scene in the manga where they're linking arms, anime has them meters apart) and added Uranus/Moon anime original romantic moments.

I don't really understand this at this point.

>>2052017
Usagi's obviously going to dump Mamoru and make Haruka her king.

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>>2052036
Considering that they're cutting the HaruMichi stuff it wouldn't even be that farfetched.

>>2052036
No, that isn't happening and you know it if you followed any other media that is Sailor Moon at this point.
>>2052017
>I don't really understand this at this point.
I happen to have an idea, but is rather sad really. I think that they are de-emphasizing that for the sake of more ship tease between Usagi and Haruka.

If that is the case, it is a pretty low way to pander.

>>2053649
Yeah, I wasn't serious, but thanks for the condescension anyway.

I wouldn't expect them to deviate much considering how much shit they got the first time doing that, even though I know some of the production cast is new at this point.

I find Neptune boring as hell, but I still can't imagine she's so unpopular to merit what happened. It made sense twenty years ago, and the creators all admit the depiction evolved over time rather than anyone having a hard idea, but you'd think the couple would be popular enough they'd be more sympathetic about it.

>>2056159
> I wouldn't expect them to deviate much considering how much shit they got the first time doing that, even though I know some of the production cast is new at this point.

You would think that, but in all honestly there isn't going to be a whole lot of change to the final result. That said, I expect the details to change somewhat, they have been rather consistence with that.

> It made sense twenty years ago, and the creators all admit the depiction evolved over time rather than anyone having a hard idea, but you'd think the couple would be popular enough they'd be more sympathetic about it.

Which is the problem that I have at the fact that it is "Truer to the manga". While entertaining, sailor moon isn't a masterpiece in manga writing. Having an adaption that is somewhat more strict to the manga than the last one does mean that Crystal is force to recreate most of the Manga's flaws without room for change.
This is both a good thing and a bad thing, all concerned.