Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica NTR edition

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>>2017767
Some archived threads:
http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Threads#Threads_on_/u/
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Subs:
(protip, use nyaa)
TV: get "Meguca;" "tri4" for subbed commentaries
Compilation: get "Coal Girls"
Rebellion:
Meguca
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=552753

NAX (Aniplex subs, 720p)
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=537610

Reinweiss (Modified Aniplex subs with honorifics and JP name order, 720p)
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=537734
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Fanfiction:
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Doujinshi archives:
http://www.mediafire.com/?mad1y92708hlz
http://www.mediafire.com/madokadoujin
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/l7qp2j028n2uc
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http://sites.google.com/site/madokacatalog
https://mega.co.nz/#F!BIt1FAxR!Ebrx91Z0PT970NanZTWCFQ
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/l7qp2j028n2uc
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Scanlation Groups:
http://yuri-ism.com/tag/madoka-magica/
http://yurihou.se/?tag=puella-magi-madoka
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Latest English Releases
http://dynasty-scans.com/doujins/puella_magi_madoka_magica

>>2017767
Why did we need a new one? These are pretty dead to begin with.

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>>2017773
There always needs to be a shrine to our Yuri Goddess (and Demon), lest we be forsaken.

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>>2017773
Hope.

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>>2017776
AI YO

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>>2017767
Kyouhomu best ship after Kyousaya.

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>>2017767
>ntr
Fucking serious?
Can never have a good thread here or on /a/.

>>2017773
'Cause it's literally just one ass forcing them when no one else wants one or needs one for that matter.
Of course they're dead and recently Madoka threads stay up because they're most of the time bumped by the same person.

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>>2017804
>Fucking serious?
Of course not.

Have some bumping clams.

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>>2017812
Don't like posting with you in general.
I've seen your behavior in other threads (not just Madoka) and serious or not you seem like a real asshole to be around with.

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>>2017823
I hardly post in Madoka threads actually, and I sure as hell am not the one bumping them. You sure you got the right person?

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>>2017767
>NTR
Now we're talking

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>>2017840
Looks like futa. Careful.

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>>2017843
Yeah, my bad. I will delete the post.

>>2017837
I don't even understand what the fuck is going on here.
Is that Mami or Nagisa or what?

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>>2017846
Probably a witch-kissed Mami. For porn reasons.

Witch stuff continues to be criminally underrated.

>>2017847
What are you doing?

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>>2017847
Futa again. C'mon, buddy.

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>>2017851
>>2017852
>>2017853
I didn't even notice the futa dick in it. Again, my bad.

>>2017855
Time to visit your local optometrist.

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>>2017859
I already wear my super sharp yuri goggles.

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>>2017867
What's your business? I like seeing Kyouko in sexy situations with any of the girls. And you know why? Cause shipping is fun, there are no rules. Deal with it.

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>>2017885
Exactly. I like to think that she's had sex with all the girls during all those time lines. A pity there's such a lack of KyouMado.

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Now that we're on the subject of KyouMado...

>>2017892
Aoi Yuuki possesses her own character and uses her body for nefarious means.

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>>2017896
Isn't today her birthday? Let's post KyouMado in her honor.

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Last pic for now

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Waiting on those lewd lingerie pics!

http://youtu.be/ba8UJIwzYk0

Anyone else a fan of these?

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>>2018143
>titty goddess
I'll never understand this.
My goddess is flat as a board.

>>2017849

Some day I will actually finished my Ophelia/Oktavia fic.

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>>2017849

>>2018241
I don't like this ship, but this is gorgeous.

>>2018219
>though. /u/ is not being archived by anyone
Shit, bad time to have left 10+ threads pending.

>>2018259
"New" ones keep popping up from time to time.
Pretty sure this was the latest one brought to the board's attention. http://deploy.loveisover.me/u/

>>2018262
That's the same one as before, actually. It was down because it was changing hosting.

>>2018265
Well then, that's news to me but at least we have one to a tenable degree.

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How MadoHomu makes you feel inside?

>>2018273
Feels good, man.

>>2018235
Homura can edit the world to her liking. One of her edits was for Madoka to have Mami-tier tits.

If I were Homura I'd turn Madoka into my mind-broken sex slave who can only say "I love you".

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>Wanted an Easter movie marathon
>Hadn't watched the Madoka movies
>Figure this is the perfect time

I mean, the series is about the birth and ascension of a god(dess).

I almost wish I hadn't been spoiled over Rebellion, but then I can only blame myself. The movie's been out three years and I was just too lazy to sit down and watch it.

>>2018328
>If I were Homura I'd turn Madoka into my mind-broken sex slave who can only say "I love you".
Then let's be thankful that you're not Homura

>>2018329
Coincidentally, the TV finale aired during Good Friday, almost by the will of god(dess) considering how delayed it was by the earthquake/tsunami/nuclear meltdown and all.

>>2018336
>Coincidentally, the TV finale aired during Good Friday, almost by the will of god(dess) considering how delayed it was by the earthquake/tsunami/nuclear meltdown and all.
I remember that - the timing both for the finale and the earthquake was almost funny (what with all the destruction that happened in Mitakihara) and then the 'fixed' timing happening on Good Friday was just ridiculously coincidental.

Tragic or not, those /a/ threads during the earthquake/tsunami were some of the funniest time I've had on this site

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>>2018328
Homura is a good girl who just wants Madoka to live a happy normal life.

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Dumping final volume of Suzune Magica in english.

>>>/a/139221671

>>2017767
"Don't cheat on me, Homura-chan!"

From a practical standpoint, I think Madoka would support short term KyoHomu as it would take both Homura and Kyoko's mind off their pain.

MadoHomu still the most beautiful even under the worst conditions tho

>>2018445
Thank you anon!

>>2018457
I never saw Kyouko and Homura as friends, more like allies of convenience.

Wasn't it written somewhere in canon that Sayaka was Madoka's first love, or that she saw Sayaka as her prince or something? Am I just imagining this?

>>2018468
You're imagining things.

>>2018468
There is a flash back in TDS where it shows how their friendship started. Sayaka protects Madoka from some bullies when they were in elemtary school, but it is NOT romantic at all.

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>>2018474
but you forgot about the part right after that where they 'practice' kissing eachother just so they can 'see what its like'.
...

..... or am I just imagining this?

>>2018466

True, but in a way that's a lot closer for them then 'friends'. They trust each other not to be shit-for-brains, agree that all the others are fucking idiots.

Plus they understand each other. Homura doesn't try and tell Kyouko to give up on Sayaka because she's doing the same damn thing for Madoka. The shared motives open up a lot of interesting character dynamics. And pre-rebellion, with Sayaka dead and Madoka away? I can see them getting along better then either of them with Mami.

More of a BrOTP, true, but depending on how sexually open you see different characters, no reason they can't make meaningful connections.

>>2018482
>Plus they understand each other. Homura doesn't try and tell Kyouko to give up on Sayaka because she's doing the same damn thing for Madoka. The shared motives open up a lot of interesting character dynamics. And pre-rebellion, with Sayaka dead and Madoka away? I can see them getting along better then either of them with Mami.
I definitely see this - they're not entirely different, at least not once Kyoko begins to stop being such a stubborn bitch.

Homu going straight to Kyoko first in Rebellion can add a little something to this too, although she spells that out right away with the whole "you're totally different than I remember" thing.

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>>2018482
>meaningful connections
Like saliva trails and vaginal fluids?
(pic related)

>>2018485

It fits her MO from the series too. Mami or Sayaka? Stalkerish to make sure they don't fuck up. Kyouko? "Yo bro, lets talk biz"

Kyouko and Homura respect each others space, and just generally respect each other. It's an interesting dynamic not anywhere else in the series, although TDS shows some Kyouko/Mami respect, kinda.

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>>2018491
>It fits her MO from the series too. Mami or Sayaka? Stalkerish to make sure they don't fuck up. Kyouko? "Yo bro, lets talk biz"
>Kyouko and Homura respect each others space, and just generally respect each other. It's an interesting dynamic not anywhere else in the series

It may come from the fact that, in all of the timelines we see in the original series, Kyouko never seems to be doing anything shitty to Homura or Madoka.

She's the unfortunate victim of a despaired Mami, she dies to Oktavia/Sayaka at least twice, and unlike Sayaka she isn't stayed to die in every single eventuality - but we don't see her being antagonistic at all until the anime timeline with Sayaka, and she's pretty buddy-buddy with Mami in TDS

Homu may not like her (Homu may not like anyone who isn't Madoka - herself included) but at the very least there's a mutual respect and trust that she doesn't have with the other girls

>>2018491
I can see Kyouko and Homura having sex with each other as practice before doing it with their partners to make sure they can give the best possible sexual experience for them.

And then-
"How come you're so good at this?"

>>2018493
isn't stated*

>>2018495
>Howdya think Sayaka would like this position, Homura?
>T-this one might be a bit too hard on Miki Sayaka's spine

>>2018482
I can't see Homura ever choosing someone else over Madoka, but I could see Kyouko flirting with her if they met during earlier time loops. Not in an overt way or anything (she's too innocent for that), but just unconsciously.

>>2018495
I dunno, man. What Madoka and Sayaka likes might be totally different to what Homura and Kyouko like. It could easily lead to Homura being too rough on Madoka or something.

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I'd read some stories/doujins about Homura and Kyouko bro-ing it up over their shared protection/obsession objects of interest.

>>2018504
I could go for some good ole fashioned bromance between Kyoko and Homura. To sorta mirror the thing that Sayaka and Madoka got.

>>2018503
Homura and Kyouko practicing technique together and trying all kinds of positions to evaluate their viability.
You know how it can be a such downer when you experiment during sex and find out it doesn't work out.

>>2018500

Well, With all the loops I can see Homura understanding polymory a bit, since Madoka just loves everyone too much. Being close to Kyouko in post-series isn't something Madoka would hate. It just depends on how sexual you see the different girls, If madoka can crush on Mami and Sayaka and Homura in different timelines depending on what happens, its easy to see the appeal of poly.

>>2018508
But muh purity and being only with the girls they love

I wouldn't mind them talking to each other about it all, though. Sending each other potential toys to buy, sending crappy tutorials because they're young and don't understand, sending porn videos ("Hey, Homu, this chick looks like Madoka!")...

>>2018504
Is there some where Kyouko and Homura fuck each other while Kyouko screams Sayaka's name and Homura likewise for Madoka while they both cry sad, bitter tears as they collapse in each other's arms while in the throes of orgasm?

>>2018511
>("Hey, Homu, this chick looks like Madoka!")...
... only to discover it really is Madoka. Oh shit.

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>>2018514
Would meguca porn make extensive use of doing the gem thing?

>>2017812
damn thats some white homu.

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Kyoko is such a sub, I wish there was more art of her that way.

>>2018514
I always figured that was how Mami paid for stuff.

I mean, that's the plot of every fourth fanwork I see at least.

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>>2018517
Nooo, domme Kyouko.

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>>2018518

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>>2018519
She's like Homura, she's got the heart of a sub in the body of a dom. And Sayaka is the inverse, though Madoka is probably sub all the way through.

>>2018511
This.

Gotta keep that single partner purity, but bromance Kyouko/Homura could certainly extend to tea time talks concerning love making tips, or romance options, or gift suggestions.

>>2018520
Is Kyuubey selling his butthole? I can see how that can be profitable.

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>>2018522
Lewd Pink is always a dom.

>>2018522
>>madoka
>>sub all the way through
>>pounces and knocks homura on her back, leans up off of her, then gets in even closer to reaffirm her dominance and show that it was on purpose, braiding her hair to signify that she wants to be the one to protect homura, to bind up homuras true self to the innocent joyful thing she knows and loves.
Madoka is a dom.

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>>2018522
Madoka is one hell of a dom, though.

>>2018525
>>2018526
STFU. Homura ripped Madoka apart through and through, and tied her hair up as well. Homura is the real dom, noob.

>>2018524
Considering his immortality, Kyubey could always do snuff films.

Mai-chan's Daily Life: guest starring everyone's favorite emotionless space cat

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>>2018515
Yes

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>>2018531

>>2018523
I know one fiction that has that as an entire opening chapter.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/6888002/1/Optimal-Outcome

But it might trigger your SPP thing, since Kyouko jokes about hooking up if they both strike out either in this one or the sequel (And someone else wrote a sequel to the sequel where it where it happens that is a real step up in writing quality.)

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>>2018528
Pleb, Homura can only dom until the sex starts and Madoka turns the tables.

>>2018538
As expected of worst meguca.

>>2018522
Homura's got the kind of heart that changes destiny, that ain't no sub, more like the opposite. Kyouko is more of a tough girl with a soft center. I agree on Madoka, but /u/ always says Madoka is all about domination, so whatever.

>>2018540
Madoka isn't about domination, she's about acceptance, just like how she'll accept homu's tongue in her pussy in season 2.

>>2018540
Non-final timeline Madoka was confident, self-sure, and fine with skinship, something we see bits of at different points. And she gains that back as Madokami anyway.

Domming certainly isn't out of the question, unless we stick only to the Madoka that was shy and lacking in confidence after all of those timeline changes

>>2018540
But the truth of the matter is Madoka and Homura are both versatile.

>>2018538
So if Hitomi qualified as a magical girl, she'd also get the gem on her belly, and they can both have some forbidden soul gem grinding while smooching or grinding clits.

>>2018548
But their talent is in babymaking, how can you make a baby with only forbidden love?

>>2018549
Via magic and/or methods not permitted on this board.

>>2018551
Formula H methods?

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>>2018445
You can find the file here.

silvergardentl.blogspot.uk/2016/03/mahou-shoujo-suzune-magica-volume-3.html

And here

http://www.mediafire.com/download/a8wnc7hnbhrv33o/%5BMagica_Quartet_x_GAN%5D_Puella_Magi_Suzune_Magica_Vol_3_%28English%29_V3_%5BSGT%5D.zip

>>2018551
or science.
>>2018548
Come on girl, she'd have it on her head via a crown to emphasis her knowledge of what's forbidden.

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>>2018558
She's have it on her crown...?

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>>2018517
Dude she is not. Precisely why she's portrayed as the dom in majority of the fanart is because she IS the dom.

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>>2018504
They could become buddies in stalking. I remember seeing this strip where they form an alliance to teach each other about different ways of stalking.

>>2018538
Stop bullying the Sayaka.

>>2018522
No. She does have a soft heart but she's still dom through and through. I could agree if anyone was of the opinion that Sayaka wouldn't mind being the dom every now and then, especially after the events in Rebellion.

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I also like the idea of Madoka and Sayaka coming to each other for love advice.

>>2018573
Actually, Kyouko's a butch in the streets and a queen in the sheets.

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>>2018516
Homura has always had a somewhat pale complexion compared to Madoka I believe.

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>>2018578
VROOM VROOM BITCH RACER

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>>2018328

>>2018715
You are misapplying the /a/ elitism, Anon. It's no use here.

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I want a doujin of Mami NTRing Homura from Madoka.

>>2018727
I want this REALLY bad.

>>2018516
I think it's implied somewhere in the lore that Homura is only partially Japanese, and that she's only in Mitakihara to treat her heart defect, because apparently Mitakihara is a New York-tier cosmopolitan.

In my headcanon Homura is partially German, which explains why the witches have Germanic name.
>Akemi "Putting Incubators in the Incinerators" Homura

>>2018741
>I think it's implied somewhere in the lore that Homura is only partially Japanese

Wtf? She embodies the traditional Japanese woman: long black hair, pale skin, and a cool demeanor. She attended a Catholic school in Tokyo. Nothing about her says foreign at all. She is by far the most Japanese of the group.

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>>2018741
Or Italian, with all the latin and similar symbolism.
Kind of like Roberta, really.

>>2018743
Homura's classmates mention how 'exotic-looking' she is.

>>2018745
Dude chill, it's just some dumbass in the internet. It's not like Urobutcher support their degeneracy.

>>2018749
They comment on her hair being long. No one uses the word exotic.

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>>2018745

>>2018750
>It's not like Urobutcher support their degeneracy.

You know he and Ume both fap to and support it.

>>2018765
[citation needed]

>>2018743
>She attended a Catholic school in Tokyo
???

Where was this mentioned?

>>2018783
She said it herself in episode one to the girls who surrounded her in school

>>2018783
The very first episode.

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We should have a crack shipping month again, to lighten things up.

>>2018769
Was he especifically talking about homusaya though?

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>>2018794
I'm game.

What's even "crack"? Like I don't see a single ship that counts as canon. So that makes even ships like madohomu and kyousaya crack.

>>2018801
Just don't anon.

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I think the first week should be Homusaya!

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>shipping Sayaka with her arch enemy
Why is /u/ so mean to Sayaka? What did she ever do to you?

>>2018810
Oh no, we care about Sayaka anon! It's just that we like their hatesex more.

>>2018810
How did you even come across /u/ without understanding the glory of foeshipping?

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>>2018810
I dislike her seiyuu.

>>2018810
I dont mind the crack, but I find HomuSaya aesthetically unappealing.

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Nah, I think HomuMami is the right one to start off with!

>>2018827
Mami introduced her to bondage. Now the student has become the teacher.

>>2018830
Oh my.... Yes!

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kyouhomu should be the first pairing.

>>2018831
It just has so much unexplored potential. Mami as a stern madam discipling the strong willed Homura into obedience. It drives me crazy just thinking about it.

>>2018839
>KyouHomuNagi.

Fuck, everyone got NTRd.

>>2018840
I like to think Mami and Madoka used to experiment stuff on Homura in the second timeline, which is why Homura treats them this way in new timelines.

>>2018844
I think this is exactly why it has so much potential. Homura is submissive enough early on and retains enough weakness to where I can easily see Mami being able to sexually dominate her, but she has enough baggage to where I can also see Homu taking out her pent up frusteration on her old senpai.

>>2018810
Hatesex is great sex

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This thread is pure gold.

Real talk: MadoHomu is built on Madoka leaving Mami for those perfect braids and glasses.

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>>2018851
I have a few headcanons for the girls .without disregarding the designated partners for each of the girls
>during their childhood Madoka had a crush on Sayaka but gave up on her when Sayaka told her about her feelings for Kyousuke
>Madoka crushes on Mami during most of the timelines
>Mami always ends up crushing on Madoka
>Mami used to have a massive crush on Kyouko
>Sayaka develops admiration for Mami that borders on a crush
>Sayaka also feels a tiny bit attracted to Madoka
>During the last 10-20 time lines, Homura starts appreciating Kyouko and develops admiration for her, bordering on a crush
>Kyouko had a crush on Mami, but she never admitted to it. This explains why she's so persistent when she meets her new crush Sayaka
>Nagisa has a crush on Mami

>>2018857
>Nagisa has a crush on Mami

But this is canon.

>>2018863
Is it though?
Nothing in her behavior hints at it.
Even when Sayaka confesses to Kyouko that she's the reason she came back, Nagisa says she only came back for the cheese.

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>>2018894
>for the cheese
>the cheese
>Mami is the cheese
Anon...

>>2018894
What does she spend the whole movie calling Mami?

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I ship Kyouhomu unironically. Thanks battle pentagram
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ohf0n6ymcso

>>2018897
>>2018898
But it doesn't even make sense.
>I brutally tore you apart so now I love you.

>>2018900
Are you talking about MadoHomu?

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>>2018900
You're confusing the witch Charlotte with Nagisa. Witches have zero self control.

>>2018901
That's a little different.
There was time for love to develope.
>>2018903
But that's the only interaction Nagisa had with Mami prior to rebellion.

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>>2018907
>Lived as Mami's pet for 30-45 days.

Nothing fetishistic about that.

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>>2018907
Keep in mind that in Mami's mind they have been together for years. And even in the new Homuverse they will have plenty of time to bond.

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>>2018899
Well, it does provide some material, unlike the PSP game.

>>2018851
But non-glasses straight haired Homu is best Homu

>>2018899
>tfw Battle Pentagram more or less confirms the yuri but is so awful that you'd rather it not exist

>>2018894
She calls and refers to Mami as the "cheese" more often than not. In fact, I don't think she says "Mami" at all, in the entire film. Did you not pick up on that?

Plus, she already knows how she tastes, in more ways than one

>>2018925
Madoka likes her Homu shy and submissive.

>>2018928
>I just wanted to eat cheese one more time
>I just wanted to eat Mami one more time
LEWD

Nagisa still a shit for ruining the Kyousaya moment though

http://doc.rust-lang.org/error-index.html#E0432

>>2018949
Yuri? In my programming languages? It's more likely than you think!

>>2018936
Eh, there wasn't much else to do with that scene outside of an actual kiss.

I was actually really surprised at the KyoSaya scene - I didn't expect them to develop their relationship at all, because it wasn't all that prominent in the tv show. We got a near confession and some lewd handholding

>>2018953
Tread lightly anon.

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>>2018935
Factually incorrect.

>>2017772
Is the new homura manga is archived somewhere in these links? Library link seems dead with updates

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>>2018953
Kind of to be expected when you think that Sayaka knows everything about the previous timelines, and has the knowledge of what Kyouko did for her. Hell, you don't even have to necessarily think of the hand holding scene as romantic (even if I think that was the intention), Sayaka is simply very touched and regretted the fact that she didn't have any time to bond with Kyouko. I don't see why people seem to think it's such a forced scene.

>>2018953
I think it comes down to how canon you consider the supplementary material. The series really doesnt give us any indication that anyone outside of Madoka and Homura can really be friends, let alone lovers. But if you take the interactions (not the events) between charaters in the manga spin-offs and games, then KyoSaya is very easy to accept and MadoHomu may as well already be sleeping together.

Multiple spin offs in Kirara play up KyoSaya's rocky relationship from the series. You can only save Sayaka in the PSP game by shipping her with Kyoko (Urobuchi says she will never be happy as long as she pursues Kyousuke). If you consider Rebellion takes place in an idolized world very similar to the Homura gag route (minus idol star Mami), then you see that they can become very close under iseal circumstances in contrast to the shit ones in the series.

Battle Pentagram (which is awful) came after Rebellion and is pretty unambiguous with the max relationship statuses:

KyoSaya: Mutual love
MadoHomu: Person of Fate/Soul Mates

>>2018971
I've deliberately avoided all supplementary materials and don't find Kyouko and Sayaka becoming friends (and more) hard to believe at all. Neither does Kyouko, who explicitly says they had become friends in the post-Madokami timeline.

>>2018955
Is this a contested point or something? I haven't been these threads much.

>>2018969
>>2018971
Regardless of whether it was romantic or platonic, it was still nice to see some mutual respect and friendship between them, when it's so prominent in fanworks and offshoots, but really only seen a little in the tv series. I think they have a good dynamic

>>2018991
>Is this a contested point or something? I haven't been these threads much.

There are some people who unironically view KyoSaya hand holding scene as pandering fan service. But romantically or platonically, they are officially paired.

>>2018990
Kyoko wanted to be friends. Sayaka was militantly against it until moments before she died. She was also unconcerned about Kyoko in death as well. Death and Rebellion made it all possible.

Thank you based satan.

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>>2019000
>She was also unconcerned about Kyoko in death as well
Eh, in one of the timelines they spend the rest eternity just the two of them together in the afterlife.

By the way, I'm not really looking forward to the new project. It makes me fear for Kyousaya (as well as for Madohomu). But at the same time, I'd really like it if there was some closure. Eh, Rebellion's ending was just "too good" in my opinion, doesn't feel right to me.

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>>2018959
That's not what she fucking meant, Homura...

...or did she?

>>2018961
Uploader here.

If you're talking about Tamura, I took it down because anon said they were going to host. Or atleast that was my impression. I can reup it if you want.

>>2019000
The only reasons Sayaka doesn't want to be friends are ideological differences and later her deteriorated mental state rather than incompatible personalities. Once they are fixed, as happens after Madoka's ascension, Sayaka and Kyouko should easily become friends, both being outgoing and rowdy girls. Besides, there are moments of Sayaka being friendly to Kyouko, like before her transformation and the scene of Kyouko explaining her past.

>>2019002
Unless they decide to just trash the story and the whole balance and selflessness vs selfishness thing they have going on, MadoHomu is safe. Neither Gen nor Shinbo think returning to the Law of Cycles is really a good thing and there would be no point in a continutation if they were just going to bastardize and kill an overwhelmingly popular protagonist. KyouSaya can be in danger because Gen thinks it's funny to make Sayaka suffer, but I think if this is the end, he won't do anything like that.

>>2019002
Also, that's Hanokage. Everything is like 30%-40% more gay than in the series. And I love it.

>>2018969
>Hell, you don't even have to necessarily think of the hand holding scene as romantic (even if I think that was the intention)
That's the whole problem though.

If you try to think around the intention of the scene by altering its meaning, then of course it's no longer going to feel forced. That doesn't change that it had that forced nature when taken as intended.

>>2019006
I mean majuu-hen that was recently uploaded in walpurgis. That board is slow so it isn't hard to find the link again if I lost it but I think it'll be nice if there's a backup.

Sorry if you already put it though, I couldn't find it when I looked at it before.

>>2019019
You're in luck anon! I have both. Give me an hour or two.

>>2019021
Thanks onee-sama!

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>>2019009
I'm not too sure on that. Gen's original idea was to just have Homura die and join Madoka in heaven. But things seem a lot more complicated now, and neither does it seem to be headed in a good direction.

>>2019017
I think you're trying to look too hard into this. It doesn't take years, or even months, for two human beings to develop feelings for each other. Sayaka and Kyouko were together for that whole month. And not only that, with Sayaka being completely aware of all the previous timelines. Kyouko had at least a little bit of recollection of Sayaka dying on her which she experienced as something dreadful. Sayaka was already over Kyousuke when the anime finished airing. And during Rebellion, she doesn't even care for him anymore. And guess why that is? People move on. Nothing about it felt forced, nor did it come out of nowhere.

>>2019024
Pretty much this. Kyouko is always immediately drawn to Sayaka, regardless of the timeline. Sayaka is a girl who desperately wanted to be loved. When she sees all those moments of various Kyoukos loving her, surely she's going to be at least intrigued.

>>2019024
He said that was his initial idea, but couldn't really move beyond that. Have you read the production notes? They don't even pass judgement on Homura.

>>2019028
Kyoko is only drawn to Sayaka if Sayaka becomes a magical girl.

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>>2019028
>various Kyoukos loving her
Oh my

>>2019022

Wraith Arc 1-5

https://www.dropbox.com/s/yn1i8flmrs0b7fs/WA1-5.zip?dl=0

Homura Tamura Vol 1 and 2

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mb7r3neh2euzo48/PMMMHomuraTamuraVol1%2B2.zip?dl=0

On a more general note, has anyone heard about the drama over the Wraith Arc translations going on at /meduka/? IMO, the translation isn't great, but it's more than adequate. The type setting is the real issue.

>>2019033
Kyouko only meets Sayaka if she becomes a magical girl.

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>>2019024
>I'm not too sure on that. Gen's original idea was to just have Homura die and join Madoka in heaven. But things seem a lot more complicated now, and neither does it seem to be headed in a good direction.

80% of Madoka advertising involves MadoHomu. I know we want to believe anything can happen, but capitalism is a very strong force in the anime industry. Aniplex isn't going to turn down the ability to make the $300-500 1/8 scale Madokami-Homucifer reconciliation figure.

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>>2019002
>Eh, Rebellion's ending was just "too good" in my opinion, doesn't feel right to me.
Wasn't that kind of the point of the ending?

Homura takes it upon herself to grant everyone's wishes (Kyosuke's hand is fine), or at least make everyone happy and set things right, and she gets to be Madoka's eternal protector (so long as she doesn't decide to 'become Homura's enemy') and yet, Homura doesn't seem happy about it herself. That little tip off of the chair at the ending definitely helps hint at it, but so do a number of her actions after the final new universe is created.

in a way, I think the ambiguity over a number of things in the ending is good. If the new project works off of that and develops something, it'll be good. And if it doesn't, if it ignores it in favor of some AU business, then the ending still stands the way it is, and that's fine.

>>2019048
>madoka forgot the lube.jpg

>>2019048
>Madoka's eternal protector

I mean in theory, Madoka will live to about 80, right? If anything, Homura's cursed herself to a guarenteed eternal loniliness.

I know this is what Homura claims she wants, but Jesus. This is literally what HomuHater says she deserves.

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>>2019055
>I mean in theory, Madoka will live to about 80, right? If anything, Homura's cursed herself to a guarenteed eternal loniliness.

It's fairly certain that she's going to 'wake up' far, far earlier than that. She might've been cut off from part of herself, but she's still a goddess and she's already shown hints at remembering the old 'verse.

I have a feeling that she'll humor Homu for a while, but at some point her selflessness and sense of duty will rule over her placidity (which was more or less the point of Homura's and Maoka's last conversation) and she'll rise up again. It's inevitable

>>2019057
>I have a feeling that she'll humor Homu for a while, but at some point her selflessness and sense of duty will rule over her placidity.

That conversation where she had no memory and thought Homu was a creepy autist? I have issues with that because she said the exact opposite thing in the barrier when she told Homu she'd never do anything that would make her cry and that she wouldn't want to leave everyone.

>>2019060
>I have issues with that because she said the exact opposite thing in the barrier when she told Homu she'd never do anything that would make her cry and that she wouldn't want to leave everyone.

She lacked her memories in Homura's barrier - they were given to Sayaka and Nagisa. She said that because she had no knowledge not only of the events that lead up to her decision to become a goddess, but also the knowledge she gained once she became a goddess.

It's like asking an amnesiac whether they would want to get into a car crash, and not telling them that they saved someone's life by swerving away into a tree.

>>2019064
I'm well aware. My problem is they're both invalid answers because neither is informed.

>>2019060
>because she said the exact opposite thing in the barrier
That was just her trying to sweet talk Homu into calming down so she could finally fuck her after a month of seduction.

Or, it just illustrates how pointless it is for Homura to try to find out what Madoka truly wants when she's asking versions of her that don't have enough information to make that call.

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>>2019067
"Yeah, sure, never leave you Homu. Now put the glasses on and spread those legs."

Maybe if Sayaka wasn't so busy playing house Kyoko, she could have stopped this.

>>2019066
>I'm well aware. My problem is they're both invalid answers because neither is informed.

Madoka had totally forgotten herself and her mission in the Homulily barrier, but it's safe to say that the final conversation was a bit different. She actively remembered bits and pieces, and from the beginning seemed to feel off about things. We can't know just how much she remembers, or how deep her feelings of "this isn't right" are, but it's a different situation, and certainly one that's less stable than the barrier situation

>>2019073
No, after the molestation, she lost her memories again. Given no context and asked a vague question about order and desire iby a creepers is not a valid line of questioning. It's even worse considering she once again has no idea who Homura is.

>>2019006
>Ms. Akemi will see you now

>>2019073
Madoka broke the universe once because the idea of magical girls suffering made her sad without regard to the consequences. It literally destroyed an entire universe.

>>2019075
>No, after the molestation, she lost her memories again
She never had them back in the first place; she seemingly just had a terrible sense of 'something isn't right'. While she might not have been right enough in the head to answer Homura's question, Homura's response to her, Sayaka's memory alteration, and Madoka's near re-awakening point to a large posibility that Madokami will re-emerge.

>>2019078
>Madoka broke the universe once because the idea of magical girls suffering made her sad without regard to the consequences. It literally destroyed an entire universe.
Which is why she'll be at odds with Homura the second she reawakens and decides to take back the Law of Cycles.

>>2019055
>eternal loniliness
Madoka will eventually reincarnate.

>>2019078
After Homura did the exact same thing dozens of times.

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>>2019024
>Sayaka being completely aware of all the previous timelines.
Again, this does absolutely nothing to change her feelings towards Homura. Why does it suddenly mean so much for Kyouko?

>Sayaka was already over Kyousuke when the anime finished airing. And during Rebellion, she doesn't even care for him anymore.
This just isn't true.
Please don't forget that she starts tearing up, eyes quivering the second she sees him together with Hitomi at the end of Rebellion. She very clearly still has feelings for him.

I'm not saying it isn't possible for them to be friends, but the weird pseudo-romantic "I missed you so much!" scene in Rebellion really just felt like it was put there as service for shippers. Mami did several times the amount of supporting and being kind to Sayaka that Kyouko did, why is Sayaka so nonchalant (outright patronizing in Homura's case) towards them? Homura and Mami both got along better with, and fought alongside Kyouko, why doesn't she touchingly remember that Mami had died, or that Homura had been fighting alone for so long, and then continued to do so in the Madokami universe?

If nothing else, it's jarring that we're supposed to accept that, off-screen, two characters who don't get along until one's dying moments are now suddenly so connected and close.

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>>2019087

>>2019091
Not that anon, but...

>Nothing to change her feelings on Homura

I figure they just don't like each other. Sayaka is petty toward Homura the entire series and it would be within her character to be peeved that Homura was not only the good guy all along, but was also the largely responsible for the salvaltion she received at the end of the series.

>This just isn't true. Please don't forget that she starts tearing up, eyes quivering the second she sees him together with Hitomi at the end of Rebellion. She very clearly still has feelings for him.

She specifically states she is over Kyousuke in Homura's labrynth. We know she had her memories and she actively tries to be with Kyoko. Im not a fan of KyoSaya, but she cries after seeing Kyousuke and Hitomi because she thought she'd never see them again. She's seen playing with Kyoko in the last 5 seconds of the film.

>>2019091
>Again, this does absolutely nothing to change her feelings towards Homura.
I'd argue that it did. She still talked about how bothersome Homura was, and how she was making it super hard for them to save her, but that she thought saving her was worth it.

I don't think anime-timeline Sayaka would do or feel the same at all.

>Please don't forget that she starts tearing up, eyes quivering the second she sees him together with Hitomi at the end of Rebellion. She very clearly still has feelings for him.
Kyousuke was alive and well - and dating Hitomi - in Homura's barrier as well, and Sayaka had all of her memories there too. Maybe I was seeing it wrong, but I saw that crying seen as her happiness that her wish was still true (his hand was fine again), despite the fact that the existence/usage of Magical Girls wasn't really 'confirmed' in Homura's new universe (the girls didn't have runes on their rings, IIRC).

And I believe she straight out implies that she's over him when she mentions "learning from experience" and maturing.

>>2019091
>thinks Sayaka tearing up was because she has feelings for him even though she states out loud that she's happy to be alive
This rustled my jimmies.

Sayaka says she didn't come to save Homura. Rather, she came because it gave her a chance to see Kyoko again.

"Muh only regret in heaven was leaving you."

>>2019100
When you're trying to get a good Christian girl to hold hands with you, you don't go on an extended lecture about your feelings for some random third person. Throughout the film, Sayaka expresses empathy for Homura right until the moment she goes full devil.

>>2019095
>She specifically states she is over Kyousuke
>And I believe she straight out implies that she's over him

This doesn't really amount to anything though. Saying you're over something (or even accepting the circumstance) doesn't mean your feelings are all cleared up and everything's okay. I can see how you could read the crying as "Oh they're okay" but if she really cares so much about Kyouko and has nothing other than friendship for hitomisuke, why doesn't her scene end with her catching sight of Kyouko and starting to cry from happiness? Hitomi and Kyousuke approaching her together was a deliberate choice. I also find it hard to see her "I just didn't realize how happy it would make me to be able to say 'good morning' to you again" as anything but an excuse, that whole conversation just screams "I'm sucking it up because I want you to be happy".

>>2019055
>I know this is what Homura claims she wants, but Jesus.
It's what the entire character is built on. Trying to obtain happiness for Madoka at any cost, including her own happiness. She'd already made that choice twice before, once when she resolved to fight over and over and watch everyone die until she could save them, and then again when she intended to kill herself in the incubator cage and damn herself to an eternity of suffering to protect Madoka from the incubators.

>

>Which is why she'll be at odds with Homura the second she reawakens and decides to take back the Law of Cycles.

She's going to have to get the fuck over it because it's her fault, intentional or not. I just don't see a compelling conflict between them. Rebellion is almost all miscommunication and leads us to this:

"I need to go back."
"I love you too much to let you do that."
"But I have to go back."

>Madoka will eventually reincarnate

We know she'll reawaken, but plot aside, Homura didn't think that part through.

>After Homura did the exact same thing dozens of times.

Reseting time is not the same as altering the laws of reality. Both Madoka and Homura are guilty of doing this once (and will probably do it again).

>>2019105
>Saying you're over something (or even accepting the circumstance) doesn't mean your feelings are all cleared up and everything's okay.
I'm going to have to disagree. That's exactly what it means.

Also, in Homura's barrier, she specifically mentions her lack of romantic feelings for Kyosuke.

I know that there's a lot in this series that you can't always take at face value, but being alive again and seeing friends you never thought you'd get another chance to see is certainly a reason to cry, and there's not much to look deep into.

>>2019105
>I also find it hard to see her "I just didn't realize how happy it would make me to be able to say 'good morning' to you again" as anything but an excuse, that whole conversation just screams "I'm sucking it up because I want you to be happy".

Or... she is legitimately happy that she is seeing two people she thought she'd never see again. Right after she declared she would face off against Homura, the first thing she sees are two products of Homura's world: her own revival im the world and Kyousuke happy and fully healed.

>Homura stuff

Would Madoka REALLY be happy in a world where she has to be enemies with Homura? The whole first two minutes of the concept movie are built on this and it's my least favorite part of Homura's character: she doesn't accept that she is the person that makes Madoka happy despite being told so multiple times.

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>>2019099
>No one has ever lied ever about how they feel.

I honestly don't see how you can read this as her being truthful

>K: Hey Sayaka! Good morning.
>H: Good morning, Sayaka-san.
>S: (Seeing them) Oh... (looks away, with a small smile, eyebrows lifting to indicate that the smile isn't genuine) yeah.
>S (Smile drops, eyes begin to quiver and she tears up more)
>S: (looking away and wiping her eyes) Um.. Good morning.
>S: Yep. Good morning! To you both.
Please note this Yep. It is extremely important, and is there because it implies that thought was put into the following words, that it's being gauged as the "right" thing to say.
>K: Is something the matter, Sayaka?
>S: (moving around in an exaggerated manner) No, it's just...
>S: (turning away from them again) I didn't realize how happy it would make me to be able to say "good morning" to you again.

Everything about Sayaka's body language and tone in that scene heavily indicates that she is not being genuine.

>>2019111
She uncomfortable because she is having to admit the devil's world is preferable to god's.

>>2019111
Overall, it's played as a happy scene rather than Homura torturing Sayaka by parading her crushed romantic dreams in front of her. I think it's possible Sayaka still has faint feelings for him, but the fact she can rejoice in seeing him and Hitomi together suggests she's mostly over him.

>>2019110
>Would Madoka REALLY be happy in a world where she has to be enemies with Homura?
None of the iterations of the universe are perfect. But the original is the worst, and in Madokami universe, Madoka's existence was reduced to nothing. She was a slave to the law, existing for no other purpose than to show up and kill Puella Magi just before they turned into witches.

I think Homura believes that Madoka will be happier as a regular magical girl, in a universe where she (Homu) can watch over and protect her. And I think that Homura would absolutely be willing to zero approval gambit and play the villain as much as she needs to (even to the point of making Madoka hate her) if it means Madoka can enjoy her regular life. The Madoka of this time line doesn't really know anything about Homura.

I'm not sure if that Madoka would feel so strongly about being enemies with "Akemi-san".

>>2019110
>she doesn't accept that she is the person that makes Madoka happy despite being told so multiple times.
Homura is the poster child for some mahou shoujo PTSD. Just about everything in her witch barrier spelled out "I hate myself", and the Clara Dolls are living manifestations of all of the terrible qualities she ascribes to herself.

Between her self hatred and doubt and her desire to protect the one thing that matters to her, she's deaf and blind even to Madoka telling her that it's all okay.

>>2019111
>Everything about Sayaka's body language and tone in that scene heavily indicates that she is not being genuine.
I'm sure it's hard to settle some heavy feelings in the span of a few seconds and still keep a good face.

>Dealing with being alive again, and going to school
>Dealing with seeing old friends again that she never thought she'd see
>Dealing with accepting that the previous two feelings are "wrong", because the situation that brought them about (Homura fucking up Madoka's universe) is pretty terrible

>>2019113
I agree it's happy. It's happy because she's starting to move on and accept that her friends are happy. I don't think it's happy because she suddenly no longer has any feelings for the guy she's been pinning after for literally years, and is just happy to see her friends are around.

The fact that she can TRY to be happy for them, suggests that she has matured and isn't going to become a witch about it this time. Not that she's now mostly okay with it.

>>2019112
Why? She certainly had no problem basking in the happiness of Homura's labyrinth, to the point of suggesting Homura just relax and not try to undo it.

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>>2019091
>Again, this does absolutely nothing to change her feelings towards Homura
Are you serious? She was understanding of Homura for once. In all the other time lines she acted stubborn, never willing to listen to her and pretty much antagonized her.

>Why does it suddenly mean so much for Kyouko?
Because she saw Kyouko's struggles. Yes it is especifically about Kyouko.

>Please don't forget that she starts tearing up, eyes quivering the second she sees him together with Hitomi at the end of Rebellion. She very clearly still has feelings for him.
I can't believe you're bringing this up when the scene itself was so blatant about it. Hell, even Homura says that eventually Sayaka will grow accostumed to being alive again. She is happy that she's able to greet her friends again. Not only that, but having Sayaka have feelings for Kyousuke again woukd regress the character growth she had in both the final episode and in Rebellion.

>I'm not saying it isn't possible for them to be friends, but the weird pseudo-romantic "I missed you so much!" scene in Rebellion really just felt like it was put there as service for shippers
As I expained in the previous post, nothing of the romantic development felt forced or that it came it of nowhere. The anime itself heavily implies Kyouko > Sayaka. it isn't crazy to think that Sayaka would reciprocate given the chance to bond with Kyouko.

>Mami did several times the amount of supporting and being kind to Sayaka that Kyouko did
The point of the Kyouko/Sayaka development isn't that Sayaka had a better connection with Kyouko, it's that Sayaka desperately wanted the chance to be with Kyouko since they never had it while she was alive. The fact that it lead to something more than just a friendship is simply a natural progression.

>>2019111
You're trying to hard to explain this when you really don't need to.
Of course she still cares for her childhood friend bit to say she's still infactuated with him is a stretch.

>>2019120
Cont.
>Homura and Mami both got along better with, and fought alongside Kyouko, why doesn't she touchingly remember that Mami had died, or that Homura had been fighting alone for so long, and then continued to do so in the Madokami universe?
Kyouko doesn't remember anything of the universe before Madokami. So there is nothing for her to think that Mami has died. Or that Homura has been fighting alone for so long.

>If nothing else, it's jarring that we're supposed to accept that, off-screen, two characters who don't get along until one's dying moments are now suddenly so connected and close.
The only reason they didn't get along was because of their clashing ideals. In the new world Kyouko even comments on how they finally became friends. So it is possible for them to get along.

>so connected and close
You'd think that after so many timelines of relieving the same moments woud eventually lead the two of them to feel connected through something called fate. Homura did not only make Madoka into practically a God, but she also made the Kyouko and Sayaka connection stronger after every timeloop

>>2019114
I now want a sequel where Homura takes up being a PreCure villain and comes up with easily foiled evil schemes just so Madoka can have a satisfying magical girl experience.

>>2019111
She is embarrassed that she was seen crying by her friends. Everything about her body language implies that. If she really were so sad, the last scene wouldn't have been that of her having fun with Kyouko, but of Sayaka acting depressed because she got friendzoned.

>>2019119
>Why? She certainly had no problem basking in the happiness of Homura's labyrinth, to the point of suggesting Homura just relax and not try to undo it.
She knew the labyrinth was going to come crashing down eventually. She's telling Homura to enjoy the world (and a corporeal Madoka) for as long as she can. It's a different matter when Homura usurps Madoka.

>>2019111
>say "good morning" to you again.
The 'you' is a plural noun, not a singular. She's simply happy to see her two friends (even if one of them cucked her to death).

>>2019119
>Why? She certainly had no problem basking in the happiness of Homura's labyrinth, to the point of suggesting Homura just relax and not try to undo it.
Except the labyrinth isn't comparable to the universe Homucifer created. First off, Sayaka knew that the labyrinth would come to an end eventually. Secondly, that was before Akuma Homura was born. Sayaka feels compassion for Homura before those events. Her justicefaggotry won't allow her to accept the new Homura.

>>2019114
>I think Homura believes that Madoka will be happier as a regular magical girl, in a universe where she (Homu) can watch over and protect her. And I think that Homura would absolutely be willing to zero approval gambit and play the villain as much as she needs to (even to the point of making Madoka hate her) if it means Madoka can enjoy her regular life. The Madoka of this time line doesn't really know anything about Homura.

Yeah, we know Homura makes bad decisions.

>I'm not sure if that Madoka would feel so strongly about being enemies with "Akemi-san".

She's linked by fate with Homura. The conceot movie confirms that Homura is at the very least teaching her to dance and Madoka is wearing the ribbons at the end of the movie.

>>2019117
>Homura is the poster child for some mahou shoujo PTSD. Just about everything in her witch barrier spelled out "I hate myself", and the Clara Dolls are living manifestations of all of the terrible qualities she ascribes to herself.
>Between her self hatred and doubt and her desire to protect the one thing that matters to her, she's deaf and blind even to Madoka telling her that it's all okay.

A girl only someone as pure as Madoka can love.

>>2019119
>Why? She certainly had no problem basking in the happiness of Homura's labyrinth, to the point of suggesting Homura just relax and not try to undo it.

She was teasing Homura. Similar to how Homira trolls her later as the devil. The major difference is that Homura's become the god of the new universe, whereas her labrynth was temporary and Sayaka was largely in control of the situation.

>>2019120
>pretty much antagonized her
That was my point. She continues to antagonize her in the labyrinth, despite (at that point), knowing all that Homura has done for them. And then she's outright aggressive towards Homura after the rewrite, when she should know Homura has their best interests at heart.

>having Sayaka have feelings for Kyousuke again woukd regress the character growth she had in both the final episode and in Rebellion.
As pointed out above, the growth is that she sees them together, accepts it, and wants to be happy for them, where before she became depressed and hateful because of it. "I don't like him anymore" is a hell of a lot less growth as a person than "I still have feelings for him, but I know that they are happy together and they are both my friends, so I'm going to be happy for them and it's going to be okay."

>>2019122
At the very least she knows that Homura has been fighting against the wraiths alone.

>she also made the Kyouko and Sayaka connection stronger after every timeloop
But this applies to literally everyone's connection with everyone. See the first point, all that looping doesn't make her not a dick to Homura, it doesn't seem to have any affect on her relationship with Mami. Kind of hand wave-y to then claim that something has made her connection stronger with one person when it hasn't changed any other relationships.

>>2019126
See second point. The whole point of that scene is to show that she has grown as a person and is no longer the petty, childish, awful character that she was pre-Madokami. She has grown enough to try and be happy for her friends and hang out with Kyouko instead of going full edgelord woe-is-me.

>>2019134
>And then she's outright aggressive towards Homura after the rewrite, when she should know Homura has their best interests at heart.

On Sayaka's end, we as the viewer know this. Homura is being a bitch toward Sayaka in that scene, though this is likely pay back for the trolling during her existential crisis in the barrier.

>>2019136
I meant in Sayaka's defense,

>>2019131
I didn't say it was singular. Just that the entire dialogue is not genuine.

>>2019129
>>2019132
>>2019133
Isn't that besides the point?
>She's uncomfortable because she is having to admit the devil's world is preferable to god's
Regardless of it being temporary, she clearly finds the idea of the Labyrinth appealing. She wants them to enjoy it as long as they can, i.e. she fully understands and agrees that it is better than the outside world. Hell, the whole hand-holding scene is basically this actualized, because they can enjoy being in this fake world.

>>2019124
This was literally the first 30 minutes of Rebellion.

>>2019134
Sayaka doesn't antagonize her. She's maybe a bit of an ass when Homura's trying to figure out what's happening, but otherwise she's accepting of her, doesn't try to keep her away from Madoka and fights hard to save her when she goes witch.

>when she should know Homura has their best interests at heart.
You do remember Sayaka just saw Homura tear Madoka in two while she begged her to stop, right?

>>2019140
>Hell, the whole hand-holding scene is basically this actualized, because they can enjoy being in this fake world.

You might have missed is anon, but Sayaka has a really bad case of justicebitch and Homura is purposely pushing her buttons.

>>2019137
>>2019136
But Sayaka with LoC knowledge knows that the only thing Homura has ever done for the past 12 years is desperately fight to save Madoka and the rest of them.

She knows that when Homura was a bitch in the beginning of the anime/first movie, it is because she has resolved herself to that fight. If knowledge of the multiple time lines influences relationships, shouldn't she a bit more trusting of the person who has been fighting on her behalf for more than a decade and has a tendency to play the villain for the sake of good?

>>2019146
That doesn't mean she has to like her. And Homura is bery obviously pushing Sayaka's buttons. If we take the suicide imagery going on at the same time, it's obvious Homura is goading her into being her executioner.

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>>2019140
>not genuine
...what?

It's as honest a reaction as a reaction can be.

>>2019133
>A girl only someone as pure as Madoka can love.
Which is a shame, because Homura is so hateful of herself that she can't accept the love that she so rightly deserved.

And then she became the Devil

>>2019140
>Regardless of it being temporary
Come on, you can't do that. Sayaka is fine with taking a short vacation from the Law of Cycles, not overthrowing the whole thing. It's a pretty crucial difference.

>>2019146
>desperately fight to save Madoka and the rest of them.
Sayaka's problem is that Homura's trying to save Madoka from something she doesn't want to be saved from.

>>2019149
Imouto, if you think this face >>2019111
is genuine, I don't know how to help you.

>>2019142
>She's maybe a bit of an ass when Homura's trying to figure out what's happening
That's pretty antagonizing, given Homura thinks they are in danger from the witch.

Also Homura tore the law in half, splitting Madoka from it.

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>>2019152
Unless Madoka is secretly a bitch and reneges on her promise not to abdandon her, Homu will still get it. whether she wants it or not[/spoilers]

>>2019156
>wing molestation
>Madoka being that dominant
I need more.

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>>2019146
>If knowledge of the multiple time lines influences relationships, shouldn't she a bit more trusting of the person who has been fighting on her behalf for more than a decade and has a tendency to play the villain for the sake of good?

And she was. Confident Sayaka is still a bit of a dick, and she was being goaded by Homura, but she still fought tooth and nail to save Homura from the Incubators and the witch-ification.

In fact, she was totally ready to accept Homura and bring her to Madokami Heaven (she was in the cart with Nagisa coming down from the sky) - that is, until Homura tears Madoka into pieces, destroys the universe, and resets everything.

Sayaka gave Homura quite a far leash, really. She only snapped after Homura literally becomes Satan

>>2019153
>Sayaka is fine with taking a short vacation
This.
This exact point.

That she views it as a vacation should indicate that an "evil" controlled world being better than Madokami universe is not some revolutionary concept that would bring her to tears.

>save Madoka from something she doesn't want to be saved from
Is this not literally what Kyouko was doing with Sayaka? Trying to save her when Sayaka didn't want to be saved, and just wanted to wallow in despair?

>>2019133
>That was my point. She continues to antagonize her in the labyrinth, despite (at that point), knowing all that Homura has done for them. And then she's outright aggressive towards Homura after the rewrite, when she should know Homura has their best interests at heart.
Where did you get that she continues to antagonize her. It was Homura who tried to attack her, all Sayaka did was act in self defense, and despite all that, she took the time to have an open hearted conversation with her, where she indirectly let her know that she shouldn't blame herself for the world she created.
>As pointed out above, the growth is that she sees them together, accepts it, and wants to be happy for them, where before she became depressed and hateful because of it. "I don't like him anymore" is a hell of a lot less growth as a person than "I still have feelings for him, but I know that they are happy together and they are both my friends, so I'm going to be happy for them and it's going to be okay."
Except that the character growth included Sayaka getting over him and being fully supportive of Hitomi's relationship with him. Having her feelings for him again would regress the progress she had made.

>>2019161
Trying to save a friend from depression and trying to "save" someone from a role they chose to take on are not the same things.

>>2019165
Cont
>At the very least she knows that Homura has been fighting against the wraiths alone.
How is she supposed to know that? And besides, that moment was there to focus on the Kyouko/Sayaka bond, that includes Sayaka dying and Kyouko regretting that she didn't get the time to be friends with her before she was taken away. This development also ties perfectly in the other time loops where Kyouko dies because she doesn't want Sayaka to be alone.

>But this applies to literally everyone's connection with everyone. See the first point, all that looping doesn't make her not a dick to Homura, it doesn't seem to have any affect on her relationship with Mami. Kind of hand wave-y to then claim that something has made her connection stronger with one person when it hasn't changed any other relationships.
It had an even bigger impact on Homura-Madoka and Kyouko-Sayaka because it carried way more weight to it than any other relationship the girls had with the other characters. We have no evidence (because it likeky didn't happen) that Mami or Madoka or Homura bonded with Sayaka in the same way that Kyouko did in the time between Homura's loops. And not only that, Sayaka is destined to always die within a week or two if she becomes a magical girl, Madoka who's supposed to be her best friend can save her, it took Kyouko to talk to Madoka for her to even consider the possibility that Sayaka could be saved. It wasn't Madoka who ran after Sayaka, it sad Kyouko, Kyouko was the one who was there during her last moments. That should have meant something to Sayaka.

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>>2019154
Have you ever been so pleasantly surprised in your life that you're simply in a state known as 'dumbstruck', also known as 'total loss of words'?

>>2019165
>Having her feelings for him again would regress the progress she had made.

Her having the feelings is what makes it growth. Any child can stop having temporary crush and get along better with people now that those feelings are gone.

The mature aspect is still having those feelings and being able to put other people before yourself and try to be happy for them.

>>2019160
>She only snapped after Homura literally becomes Satan

In addition to this, Homura went full b-villain and said shit like she was going to destroy the universe. Sayaka had no reason to doubt that and Homura was definitely overacting that role.

>>2019171
I don't disagree that that would also count as character growth, had it not be made a point in Rebellion that Sayaka was already over him. The character growth you speak of already happened in the last episode where she's simply content with watching him play the violin. Rebellion takes that a step further by having her get over him.

>>2019166
>Trying to save a friend from depression and trying to "save" someone from a role they chose to take on are not the same things.

Madoka: Save me from my stupid self. Don't let me become a magical girl.

I mean she's said it before and there's no doubt that played over in Homura's mind. Madoka and Sayaka had the benefit of viewing the timelines with clarity and from a distance. Homura had the displeasure of living all of them and obviously affected her decision making process.

>>2019161
Maybe if she thought about it rationally in the peace of her favorite armchair, she might have reached that conclusion, but this is all happening in the moment. Earlier on she decided it was all right to have fun in Homura's labyrinth because it was going away. Later when she's full of righteous anger against Homura, the realization that she actually likes this hits her differently.

If you think just seeing Kyousuke and Hitomi together is enough to drive Sayaka right back to crying about her lost love, why do you think she was so cool about him and Hitomi dating inside the labyrinth?

>>2019168
>a state known as 'dumbstruck', also known as 'total loss of words'?
Does that face look like dumbstruck to you?

>We have no evidence (because it likeky didn't happen) that Mami or Madoka or Homura bonded with Sayaka in the same way that Kyouko did in the time between Homura's loops.

We know that Mami became friends with Madoka and Sayaka every single cycle, and that Kyouko spent the majority of every cycle not getting along with or outright fighting Sayaka. It wasn't Kyouko who went after Sayaka's gem when it ended up on that truck, it was Homura. That should have meant something too.

>>2019172
Besides the knowledge that Homura has been fighting for so long with a single goal and purpose, to save and protect Madoka.

>>2019176
She has no choice in the series. She is already dead.

>>2019181
Perhaps because she was able to play it off as being Homura's construct?

>>2019161
>Sayaka didn't want tk be saved
That's retarded. During her last moments she literally admits that she was stupid. She really wanted to live but she was simply too stubborn and dumb.

>>2019141
Nah, Homura as a magical girl in that. I want her to strut around in her devil gear cackling about stealing the smiles of small children.

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>>2019161
>Is this not literally what Kyouko was doing with Sayaka? Trying to save her when Sayaka didn't want to be saved, and just wanted to wallow in despair?
Daaamn son, you've just said something I was not aware of through all these years. I'll save it for the next time I argue with a hardcore Sayakafag.

>>2019184
>Besides the knowledge that Homura has been fighting for so long with a single goal and purpose, to save and protect Madoka.

Sayaka isn't that smart anon. I expect her to make everything worse next movie. If anything prevents MadoHomu reconciliation, it will be the blue baka.

>>2019184
>Does that face look like dumbstruck to you?
IMHO it looks like a face of someone who is being overwhelmed with various feels. Such as realizing that the devil is not so bad after all. Or realizing that you have a cuck fetish for the first time.

>>2019184
>It wasn't Kyouko who went after Sayaka's gem when it ended up on that truck, it was Homura. That should have meant something too.
Kyouko was in shock at the soul gem revelation; she didn't chase it because she didn't know he should, and then Homura was on her way

>>2019184
>We know that Mami became friends with Madoka and Sayaka every single cycle
They do become friends, but their relationship is merely limited to that of senpai/kouhai. Sayaka always ends up viewing Mami as an example to follow.

>and that Kyouko spent the majority of every cycle not getting along with or outright fighting Sayaka.
Which is why that is her regret. That she had the potential of becoming great friends with Kyouko yet their clashing ideals and Sayaka's early death prevented that from happening.

>It wasn't Kyouko who went after Sayaka's gem when it ended up on that truck, it was Homura. That should have meant something too.
And it shows. Since she was considerably nicer to her in the Labyrinth. Even saying things like how she shouldn't shoulder all of those burdens alone, implying that she considers her to be a friend.

>>2019184
>That should have meant something too.
Feelings and intent seem to matter a great deal with these things. Sayaka knew perfectly well that Homura only wanted to save her for Madoka's sake.

>Perhaps because she was able to play it off as being Homura's construct?
I don't think so. Sayaka seems to be pretty on top of things in the labyrinth. That loss of control is probably one of the reasons she's so mad at Homura in the end.

>>2019187
You'll just get countered with >>2019166

>>2019193
And then you'll be countered with Madoka's character song in which she says she may be smiling but she's lying about being okay.

>>2019195
>character song
Next you'll claim TDS is canon.

>Sayaka
>Ever being right

You guys kek me up. What we really need is to hear what Madoka with her full memories thinks about everything. Sayaka has no place in this conversation because she is always wrong and blinded by her justice faggotry.

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>>2019193
>You'll just get countered with >>2019166
But what if the role CAUSES depression?

>>2019131
>>2019189
>le cuck XD
I want /pol/ to leave

>>2019140
True. She enjoys that world but only because it's temporary. Her justicemania wouldn't allow her to otherwise. That's precisely why she can't accept the fact that the newly created world may be permanent, especially since it took Homura stealing away apart of the LoC and brainwashing everyone to the point where no one has their memories except her.

>>2019197
>What we really need is to hear what Madoka with her full memories thinks about everything
She mostly thinks of screaming and begging Homura to stop.

>>2019197
>what Madoka with her full memories thinks about everything
Well, we know that Madoka isn't in accordance with Homura breaking the rules she had created. And she says that exactly before awakening her godly self.

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>>2019188
>If anything prevents MadoHomu reconciliation, it will be the blue baka.

Pretty much. It'll be
>muh Justice
>muh 'no second chances'

But it's not like Homura and her own terrible, probably-needs-a-therapist mental hangups won't get in the way too

>>2019196
>Connect is the lot of Madoka
>Magia is the plot of Rebellion
>And I'm Home is Kyoko's feelings for Sayaka
>Luminous is about how Madoka makes Homura feel
>Hikari Furu is Madoka and Homura's longing for each other at the end of the series
>Colorful is the twist in Rebellion
>Your Silver Garden is Homura's feelings for Madoka and her fear of being seperated again

But I guess Madoka's character song is the irrelevent one, right?

>>2019188
Reminder that what Homura did isn't right. Sayaka trying to prevent this isn't her being a "baka", it's her acting rationally.

>>2019201
We know she's not exaclty cool with it, but we have no reason to believe she'll go justicebitch like Sayaka.

>>2019199
>brainwashing everyone to the point where no one has their memories except her.
This is exactly what happened in Madokami universe, only Sayaka and Nagisa were both dead, Madoka was locked into eternally mercy killing magical girls and incubators were still trying to figure out a better way to exploit humans.

>>2019202
And don't forget Mami who's also a justicefag herself. Not sure abput Kyouko, I think Kyouko could be the only one that would want to maintain the universe as it is.

>>2019207
Mami is the decent kind of justicefag though. I think that knowing everything the way Sayaka does, she'd accept that Akemi Homura-sama did nothing wrong.

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>>2019199
>justicemania
Whatcha gonna do sistah, when justicemania runs wild on you?!

>>2019208
In the concept movie trailer she's clearly siding with Madoka judging from the dialogue.