Madoka thread.

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>>1991662

more like crack pairing thread

>crack
>tumblr art
Great thread

>>1991669
That's futa. Hard to tell but I followed the artist on Tumblr for a while, and it's futa.

Actually, with all this KyouHomu spam, I'm reminded about the vast amount of MamiHomu. It seems like one of the crackier pairs people care least about, yet there's so much doujinshi for it compared to other crackier pairs (though I'm including MamiMadoHomu in this). Is it more popular in Japan or something?

MamiHomu is a thing? Never knew that...

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>>1991735
Why would you just go on the Internet and tell lies?

http://dlartistanon.tumblr.com/post/106851009878/sayaka-hopes-the-new-year-starts-off-with-a-bang

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So is this just a Kyoko x Homura thread? Imma fix that

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>>1991832
Thanks for the fix anon. Here's some more

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Holy shit, I never realized there was this amount of Homura x Kyouko fan art. They're total bros though, so I can see why. But boy, when we have nothing new to discuss, these threads become so boring.

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>>1991662
>all that H/K
Best PMMM thread in a while.

>>1991977
>But boy, when we have nothing new to discuss, these threads become so boring.

Exactly why I wish you people would give these a rest for now.
There's no need for a forced Madoka thread with spam this and spam that.

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>>1991987
OK then, discussion time. Am I delusional or did the movies actually depict Sayaka being cured of her het-lust and becoming best girl?

>>1992054
Personally I'm still pretty skeptical. Sayaka spends all of 10 minutes actually getting along with Kyouko, she obsesses over Kyousuke to the point of her witch form being heavily influenced by it, and is still thinking about him when Madokami resets the universe and she becomes part of the LoC. I'm a yuri fan as much as anyone else on this board, but the scene on the spire in Rebellion felt really, really forced--they were just never shown as being even remotely close (Homura for instance, gets along a lot better with Kyouko, especially in Rebellion), and it felt quite awkward that suddenly they care a lot about each other.

And then of course, after homuhomu saves the world, Sayaka still tears up when she sees Hitomi and Kyousuke together.

So, imo, she still seems het as fuck but they tried to pander to shippers.

>>1992067
Well she is besties with the Law of Cycles, so we can assume she's privy to some of the interdimensional knowledge Madoka possesses. Namely how much Kyouko's done for/thought about her. Besides, she kinda made her peace on the whole Kyosuke sitch at the end of the TV series.

>>1992067
Did you miss the part where Kyouko changes her entire worldview and sacrifices herself because of Sayaka?

>>1992076
Not really changes, but is reminded of how she used to be.

But to begin with it's Sayaka who is the problem, not Kyouko.

>>1992075
Kind of a BS excuse though. Homura has done more for all four of them than anyone else, yet Sayaka still dislikes and patronizes her in Rebellion. I will agree she mostly makes peace with losing Kyousuke, but she clearly still has some mixed feelings on the issue at the end of Rebellion.

>>1992067
>You can't love two people

>>1992085
>Not really changes, but is reminded of how she used to be.
She's not just reminded, she changes back into the kind of person who'd sacrifice herself for someone else.

>But to begin with it's Sayaka who is the problem, not Kyouko.
Like Madoka, she doesn't come to truly appreciate her love interest until she gains access to the other time lines. Even then, there's a clear softening to her attitude towards Kyouko in the timeline we mostly see.

>yet Sayaka still dislikes and patronizes her in Rebellion
She's nice and empathetic to her right up to the point where she declares herself the devil.

>>1991741
I think it's because Kyoko comes off as a possible minion for Homura and Mami is very much going to be a minion for Madoka. At least by the end of rebellion.

>>1992085
>yet Sayaka still dislikes and patronizes her in Rebellion.
Only after she literally dethrones god and rewrites the laws of the universe so that it's a gilded cage for god.

Which is a pretty valid fucking reason to be pissed at someone.

>>1992118
>Which is a pretty valid fucking reason to be pissed at someone.

Also because Homura is a bitter, panty sniffing creep who talks to Madoka and Sayaka like Sayaka isn't there and would kill her in a heartbeat if she thought it would improve her standing with Madoka, all timelines.

Only the worst edgelords defend Homura

>>1992067
How long are they in Homura's labyrinth for? All things considered it really seemed like Sayaka, after learning what Kyouko did for her in the series timeline, regrets not reciprocating and tries to make the most of it when she gets a second chance in the labyrinth, skipping out on Kyouske. When it occurs to Kyouko that their ideal relationship has been an illusion and Sayaka has already died, they hold hands to comfort eachother. It's not forced at all.

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All these people trying to say KyoSaya isn't implied as hell

>>1992118

This is getting into a completely different argument, but Homura's rewrite frees Madoka from a cage, it doesn't put her in one.

In Madokami universe everyone is "okay" but still has to fight hard for their lives against wraiths and Madoka herself is a complete slave to the LoC, her entire existence is literally just appearing and killing Puella Magi. In Homura's world, they don't have to fight as hard because Homura+Dolls+Incubators assist in dealing with curses and the human part of Madoka (her conciousness) is free to live a regular life as a normal girl/puella magi--while the LoC continues to operate autonomously. Also remember that in Madokami's universe, Nagisa and Sayaka are both dead, and Homura is forced to fight alone as the only person that remembers how things were and everything that happened.

People talk a lot about Homura "taking control of the world" or "forcing everyone to live the way she wants" but Madoka did the exact same thing when she rewrote the universe, and pretty much everyone is happier in Homuhomu universe with the sole exception of incubators.

Homura brings Sayaka and Nagisa back to life, rescues Madoka from the burden of endless killing and knocks incubators down a peg. For all that she tries to play the "villain" she's really the hero of Rebellion. Pretty dumb for Sayaka to get all whiny and pissed, especially given the fact that Sayaka causes far more harm than good in the course of events.

>>1992127
If that were true there'd be no reason to bring Sayaka back in the first place. No one would have even remembered her existence and Homura could have taken her place as Madoka's best friend.

>>1992134
Unknown, but I can't imagine it was a exceedingly long time. Homura seemed pretty quickly aware that something was wrong. But I suppose they could have gotten closer behind the scenes during the weeks or whatever that they were all there.

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>>1992067
>Sayaka still tears up when she sees Hitomi and Kyousuke together
Read the top left part of this image.

>>1992164
I think Sayaka is homo as fuck for Kyouko and in an entirely organic way, but that's not a very good argument. Other changes include the passage of time, Sayaka possibly seeing what a crappy boyfriend he'd make and her joining the LoC. Any number of things could have helped her get over him.

>>1992154
The key difference between Madokamiverse and Homuciferverse is that Homura put up a barrier and is actively interfering in events in it and has actively enslaved and traumatized an entire race.

>>1992188
>has actively enslaved and traumatized an entire race.
Those fuckers had it coming.

>>1992189
I'm not saying they didn't.

However slavery and emotional torment on a species-wide scale is still slavery and emotional torment on a species-wide scale. Paying evil unto evil very typically makes you evil.

>>1992189
Where is it explained how the QBs are used in the Homuraverse anyway?

>>1992194
In the very first fucking scene of Homucifer being Homucifer.

>>1992118
>Only after she literally dethrones god and rewrites the laws of the universe so that it's a gilded cage for god.

I think you have the wrong interpretation.
Homura's universe is no more a cage than Madoka's universe. She reset the universe with her revised rules, but she doesn't control it. It's not the barrier from Rebellion.

>>1992197
Did we not watch the same fucking ending?

It's pretty fucking blatant Homura's universe is a cage and that she has control over it.

>>1992193
Emotional torment? But incubators have no emotions.

>>1992201
Emotions are a mental illness to them. Not something they typically have, but something they CAN have.

>>1992199
All Homura controls is the LoC.
Which is what Madoka controlled before.

She can control the incubators but that's the extent of it.

>>1992193
Species-wide has a different meaning when you're talking about a hivemind. Every Incubator is culpable for the torment of magical girls and the attempt to enslave Madokami. Collective punishments are not inherently wrong in this case, and they're too powerful and predatory to be left free anyway.

>>1992197
If it's not a cage, why does she stop Madoka from regaining her true memories?

>>1992207
She makes Sayaka forget her past, prevents Madoka from awakening and messes with all the girls in clearly supernatural ways.

>>1992212
Sayaka forgets her memories because they didn't happen in the new universe.
The same as what happened to everyone after Madoka first reset the universe.

Everything that Homura did was first done by Madoka.

>>1992195
"handle the cureses", real fucking specific bro.

>>1992216
When did Madoka prevent herself from awakening to her true memories or use her powers to break a tea cup?

>>1992199
You keep saying "cage", but it's really not any more of a cage than the world you exist in right now.

>>1992208
>If it's not a cage, why does she stop Madoka from regaining her true memories?
Because if LoC reasserts itself, Madoka would be back to having no physical form and existing for the sole purpose of killing puella magi over and over throughout the entirety of history.

>>1992212
She makes Sayaka forget being part of LoC (a power which she had no right to anyway) and removes her witch status because Sayaka was going to fight her (still really no reason for Sayaka to do so, since Homura universe is better for everyone but QB). Madoka is above, the other things are on the level of pranks, smashing a tea cup because Mami likes them, not catching an apple because Kyouko hates wasting food, etc.

>>1992218
She effectively used her power to prevent the entire universe from awakening to their true memories.

And I mean... really? Is this what we've come down to? Homura is a terrible villain and cruel tyrant because she broke her own tea cup?

Is it evil to fight against Homura World Order?

>>1992067
Sayaka's 14 and in a (groan) heteronormative world, so her slowly coming to understand her bisexuality or even gayness over time is valid. Especially since "time" in regards to the LoC might be different to the time we physically perceive.

Also it's pretty clear her crying over her friends is because she feels like she hasn't seen them in a long time. Her crying with "wehh I'm NTR'd", after what she said earlier in the movie, weakens her character entirely.

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>If Homura did nothing nothing, we'd have no conflict for the sequel
>If Homura did everything wrong, we'd have no chance of MadoHomu being canon

Homua did way more right than wrong. If Rebellion was the end of the series, Homura already accepts Madoka hating and most likely killing her as her penance (lol, Madoka hating anyone, especially Homo). And at that point, she's already accept her future punishment. Her world is objectively better and frees everyone from their existing trauma minus herself.

The only thing she did wrong was put Madoka's happiness and well being at the expense of her own existence. Alas though, this is HomuHomu's defining character trait.

Madoka just needs to give up the ass and make Homura feel like she's helping her in someway.

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I enjoy pics of Homu being on the receiving end. She deserves to feel good too.

Modoka's dream is to sacrifice herself like good Japanese people do, she's so dedicated that she'd do it for air miles. Homura is selfishly interfering with her dream.

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>>1992400
I also enjoy lusty Madoka

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>>1992431
But Homura's wish is to save Madoka and make sure she does not have to sacrifice her happiness. Madoka betrayed Homura's wish first.

>>1992239
>Homura is a terrible villain and cruel tyrant because she broke her own tea cup?
No, it shows that Homura controls more than the LoC and Incubators.

>>1992538
Only after Homura showed she was too weak to realize her dream.

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>>1992208
I know some incubators have emotions (that's a mental illness to them), but the ones who don't, how do they even feel now that they are slaves? Do they feel anything?

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>>1992538
>Madoka betrayed Homura's wish first.

This is why I more or less give Homu a pass on Rebellion. They spend the entire franchise indirectly working against each other and ultimately they both betrayed each other's wishes.

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>>1992760
You almost make a coherrent point and thus Im unsure if youre Homuhater. Before I waste time responding, how does this make you feel?

>>1992773
At least in a non-creepy context

>>1992781
There we go.

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>>1992777
It already did tripfag. A few times actually. And it wasnt creepy at all.

>>1992781
Oh please. The plot is going to boil down to Homura believing Madoka could never forgive her and trying to commit suicide by madoka and Madoka will be trying to save Homura from herself.

And if it isn't, I will eat both my monitors.

>>1992792
When does madoka say this?
Madoka became omnipotent and saw all the time lines of homura being crazy and still understood her. I'm sure after seeing the entire existance of homura she can forgive her if she even thinks it's anything to be upset about.

It worries me when these threads attract people who have no idea how consent works.

>>1992798

Don't take the bait, sis.

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>>1992804
You poor soul, anon.
Just feel the love already.

>>1992791
A plot where Madoka makes the conscious decision to save Devil Homu out of love rather than out of obligation to the LoC like when she saved magical girl Homu?

Anon, get this crazy talk out of here.

>>1992660
It was implied in the post credits scene that they've begun to develop them, specifically, that they've probably started to fear Homura (That last shot where it zooms in on the scruffy looking incubator and for the first time in the entire series, its eyes aren't perfectly still and unwavering, but shivering and alive).

>>1992540
>Homura controls more than the LoC and Incubators
I agree, but I've yet to see a reasonable argument why that is a bad thing beyond, "People shouldn't have power!" or "Homura is a bully!". Her control of the world has made it a better place for everyone but incubators, and if the worst thing about her being in power is that she uses her magic to do dumb little pranks that annoy the people she's spent 12 years trying to save over and over (prioritizing Madoka, of course) then I'm going to go ahead and say she's really not the worst person to be in power.

Especially considering how much worse Madokami universe was, with incubators still plotting to exploit humanity to greater extents, two characters dead and Homura going slowly insane from being the sole person with pre-wipe memories.


>>1992777
I hope you are just using that name and not the real goggled. Because I'd be pretty disappointed if you were.

>>1992781
>>1992760
>>1992808
>>1992804
>>1992792
Low quality bait.

>>1992815
To be fair to the Madokamiverse, Madoka gained her power through a very different means than what Homura did. She was very limited in what she could do when she turned the Incubator's power against them. However she still managed to vastly improve the world and the the lives of Magical Girls.

>>1992819
Agreed. It's not like Madoka did it out of ill will, and I'd certainly Madokami universe was better for humanity than the original version. But her lack of omnipotence allowed unfortunate circumstances to exist, and Homura fixes several of these in her version. My point wasn't to argue that Madoka is bad, but that Homura's actions (even if she did them only for Madoka) are pretty much the best course of action for anyone in the show that isn't a white cat monster.

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>>1992821
My ship was never alive, bait-chan.

>>1992815
>>1992819

By comparing the universes, I think y'all are both missing a key point. Madoka's universe still sucks, but it sucks less comparatively to the previous one where everyone but Homu is dead. Homura's universe sucks much less than both and I think it's wrong to conflate the the ethics and morals of how she became a demon with the state of Homura's universe. At worst, the only apparent downside of Homura's universe is that she is unstable and thus reality, being a reflection of her mental state, is most likely unstable.

Each universe is explicitly better than the last, yet each one is still clearly has problems. Returning to Madoka's universe is not ideal because it brings us back to episode 12. Stabalizing Homura's mental state would be the real ideal from what we were left with in Rebellion.

>>1992808
>>1992835
Stop samefagging.

>>1992788
>>1992815
I'm talking post-Rebellion. If you replace regular Homura in that pic with DeviHomu, it'd look like something out of Watamote.

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>>1992866
Fuck you. I can't unsee this now.

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>>1992882
I would care.

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Excuse my shit editing, but all but confirmed at this point if we count the splitting.

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>Madoka
>Not loving Homura unconditionally

Kek

>>1992900
He's a retard that fucks up Madoka threads?

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>>1992907
>MadoHomu is crack now

Maybe i'm wrong, but I thought MadoHomu was the core concept for the production series, by way of Homura doing the time loops to save Madoka.

Honestly out of all Madoka ships, it's the one with the most weight behind it in my opinion.

Sayaka being happy goes against her canon as a tragic heroine and is disrespect to her character.

Sayaka should be alone and suffering forever.

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>>1992916
Sis, most of these responses are trolls. MadoHomu is the driving force of the series and Urobuchi has been on record saying it. At this point, Homura is Madoka's "enemy", but in time they will come to complete each other.

>>1992928
But when is that gonna happen?

I always thought Kyousaya had nothing going for it until I watched Rebellion. Now I ship them like crazy.

Also is it true that there's a 4th movie coming out soon?

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>>1992885
Was there a reason you decided to copy and paste the exact post that got deleted?
There's a reason no one wants you here. And stop samefagging.

>>1992951
Yeah, they really started pandering super hard to KyouSaya fans in Rebellion. I feel that it was unnecessary and forced as hell, but if some people like it, that's fine I guess.

We might be getting a 4th movie, there was some sort of concept movie a while ago, dunno if it will actually have any relevance to the main plot.

>>1992967
>dunno if it will actually have any relevance to the main plot.

Why do people say this? Quartet has confirmed multiple times since November that is a direct sequel to Rebellion.

>>1992971
I say that because I'm too lazy to do proper research and didn't know that.

>>1992967
To be fair it didn't feel that out of place to me after I rewatched the main series.

I watched some sort of trailer with Spanish subtitles and I honestly don't like what I saw of Mami turning evil.

>>1992985
Why do you think Mami turned evil??

>>1992995
Have you watched the concept video? It's literally spelled out to you.

Though after watching Rebellion I'm 100% sure Sayaka is homo for Kyouko. But what about Kyouko? I never felt we got any actual confirmation from her part, except for that huge sacrifice she made.

>>1993017
I thought Kyouko crying during the whole confession/handholding scene was confirmation enough.

>>1992967
Eh Kyosaya is a fairly reasonable ship by the end of their arcs in the tv show, and far for the dumbest ship to come out of anime. Putting them up to please the fans and have something to contrast homumado with was a good move overall for Rebellion.

>>1993011
Yes. Have you read the interview with Shinbo for the concept movie? She will be the central focus and a Guan Yu like figure aka a protagonist that will probably decapitated.

>>1993033
She was crying? Didn't even notice that.

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The Rebellion manga has it's moments.

>>1993065
I have all 3 volumes ready and waiting to be read, is it even gayer than the movie besides your pic?

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>>1993073
Give or take. Their first conversation in the park before the nightmare battle is gayer. Madoka doesnt jump her on the boat. The flower bed scene is slightly less gay because it spells out exactly why Homu does what she does. Homura becoming a witch is more gay. The KyoSaya scene is less emotional, but blatantly romantic. The scene where Madoka saves Homura and tells her that she'll never abandon her is about the same. The devil ascension is gayer but also a little darker. Unlike the movie, where I never really believed Homu was evil, the manga is a lot more uncomfortable in that regard. The conversation in the hallway feels more emotional. The final scene makes it clear that KyoSaya and MamiNagi (they hold hands as they walk away) are a thing.

>>1993086
Clarification: It's alot more uncomfortable until the conversation in the hall way. The conversation makes it clear Homu isnt evil.

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>>1993089
I wish Mami and Nagisa went along with the color contrasts we get out of KyoSaya and now MadoHomu.

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>>1993102
Plz dont bully Homu.

>>1992887
I have seen an edit of that post-Rebellion (with three bigass checkmarks), but I suppose since the hype wasn't nearly as big as when the anime was airing it didn't circulate so much.

>>1993163
Three big ass check marks for rape?

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>>1993097
It's fine

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>>1993172
Nagisa all grown up

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>>1993182
no

>>1993201
Love this artist so much.

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>>1993203

>>1992134

I didn't think it was forced. Maybe because I came to Madoka late and saw the version with "And I'm Home" as the credits for episode 9.

After joining with Madoka, it's now shown but Sayaka is clearly moved by something Kyouko has no recollection of doing, and seems to use the chance granted by Homura's barrier to groom Kyouko into her ideallic partner, giving her a place to stay, dragging her through school and giving as much of a confession as is permissible in a non yuri show once the gig is up.

>>1993229
meant to quote
>>1992967

>>1993229
Honestly, it would have been pandering if Sayaka gave more than she did. Kyoko obviously has feelings for her and Sayaka more or less said she returns those feelings but will have to go back to the Law of Cycles when everything is over. Her speech is as much confessing as it is apologizing that everything has to come to an end. Sayaka knows this and thus cant go full daisuki because that would ultimately hurt Kyoko more.

Thanks be to HomuHomu, who apparently is a fan of KyoSaya.

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>>1993229
>as much of a confession as is permissible in a non yuri show once the gig is up.

It looks like these two are about to play the Pocky game at the close of the movie. Even if Kyoko and Sayaka were to be dating at the start of the next film, Madoka and Homura are the only ship that would be allowed a full confession scene in order not to diminish it's impact and it would certainly be one of the final scenes of the series if it were to happen.

>>1993201
Sayaka being a nee-chan to Nagisa in a totally platonic, friendly way is all I need in life (aside from Sayaka banging Kyouko when not being a nee-chan, but still)

>>1993201
I never noticed, why is Mami frustrated in the second panel?

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>>1992887
>small version

>>1993392
On that last one, I'm still afraid they'll go the shitty "I'm gay, she's not, and I'm okay with just being friends." that anime is so fond of.

>>1993403
As long as Urobuchi is on board, I very much doubt they'll pull that bullshit.

Plus I don't think Madoka would have the heart to reject Homura, especially given how much Homura has done for her.

I mean if someone suffered through a groundhog day loop some awful number of times just to save me from and to an extent my friends from the machinations of a race of emotionless space cats, I'd probably be very much flattered and somewhat smitten at the very least.

>>1993403
While I think Shinbo would be lame enough to do that, Urobuchi's still in the writer's chair.

>>1993403
Unfortunately, that's the most likely end outcome of it. Shinbo will be most likely too afraid to make it explicit because of the whole irrational fear of the industry that explicit yuri kills sales, it is a huge juggernaut of a franchise after all and as much of an ally Urobotchi is to /u/, he'll just say that romance wasn't the main focus so he won't push for it either. Too bad really, we could finally see once and for all whether yuri does indeed not sell.

>>1993406
>>1993419
I think they've pushed it hard enough with Rebellion and everything outside of the anime (manga, games, official art, the voice actors themselves) that it would just be a huge disappoinment otherwise.

>>1993435
Still gotta make that sweet, sweet otaku waifu money.

Actually, I think a survey about yuribait/yuri anime and its impact on waifuism would be interesting.

Like, Kyouko's my waifu kinda, but I project fully onto Sayaka. It's this weird melding of wanting those two to get together, wanting someone forceful and tomboyish yet cute like Kyouko in my life, and feeling like I really resonate with Sayaka. Like, Kyouko wouldn't be my waifu if I didn't project onto Sayaka.

inb4 delete, I'm a girl.

>>1993426
That really seems like that would just piss off fans, /u/ and non-/u/ alike. Is there a sizable portion of the base that doesn't want MadoHomu to be fully canon?

At this point, it wouldn't even make sense. If Madoka and Homura are both god level and will probably have to return to that state at some point, it's not like Madoka can say she's straight.

>>1993438
I comsider Homu my waifu and I'm sure to buy a corresponding Mado figure for each time I buy one of her because I want her to be happy.

Am I autistic?

>>1993442
Possibly, but it's cute. It's like sleeping with all your plush toys so none feel left out.

>>1993443
Wow your post gave me a wave of nostalgia from when I used to not be able to move in my bed because of the amount of stuffed dolls.

We're never going to feel as innocent and naively happy as we did when we were children again.

>>1993392
>school idol
>Homura

Is it true that Kyouko has a crush on Mami in some spinoff manga?

>>1993390
Because she was enjoying the cuteness of teased Nagisa more than she actually wanted to play the game. Is my guess.

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>>1993518
I could see it post rebellion, or even after she lets down her hair and fixes her eyes in the loops. Not that super nice senpai kind of school idol, but the cold, dark beauty who flawlessly aces tests kind.

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>>1993518
Literally episode 1 senpai. The whole class idolizes her, she even gets her own army of fan girl admirers.

>>1993531
Kyouko used to work with Mami before her Dad lost it. It could be seen as a crush, sorta similar to how Madoka felt about Mami.

>>1993566
I'm not the other anon though. I'm a newfag to the madoka franchise so I'm not familiar at all with all the side material. As a KyouSayafag I don't like the idea of KyouMami at all.

>Opens with Madoka and Homura giving an overlapping monologue. The whole thing turns into a ballet dance. We see Sayaka change into a magical girl and then into a witch, we see Kyouko reach out for her but miss.

>We see Mami dance with Nagisa, and then there's a tempo increase where Homura and Madoka start swerving closer and closer to each other, then Mami swoops in towards Homura who swoops back.

>It ends with the ballet being broken, and Homura and Madoka in a isolated field, backs turned towards each other

So we can pretty much conclude that MadoHomu, Kyousaya and MamiNagi will be strong in the next movie

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>>1993571
Ignore him, he's just a paranoid raver. He comes and goes. It's best to just hide his posts.

To elaborate and to mitigate what he was saying, I said "it could be seen as a crush" for those who have their yuri goggles tuned to that frequency. It's a pretty cute senpai-kouhai relationship until it goes south. It's a shame it's not truely canon because I would have liked to see some Mami and Kyouko interaction in Rebellion to see what Homura did to soften their relationship.

Also, good taste.

>>1993573
This is fake, sis,

>>1993578
Well, it's very vaguely similar to the actual concept movie. But it's missing things like Super Saiyan Mami.

>>1993584
It really isnt. If you saw the concept movie, you saw the concept movie. There's nothing else. There's not even a written script.

>>1993645
>>1993647
Is that the official release of Tamura?

So how do we distinguish between Kyouko/Sayaka and Kyousuke/Sayaka in KyouSaya? Or is it just unanimously agreed that KyouSaya is the former?

>>1993682
I've seen SayaSuke used instead.

>>1993662
Yes it is. Volume 2 to be exact.

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Anyone else think Homura would be an awkward kisser?

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>>1993531
Mami and Kyouko had a very close senpai and kouhai relationship. I personally consider this to be the type of relationship that would blossom into romance, given enough time for them to mature and developed those feelings. But then shit got fucked and Kyouko ran away and stuffed her feelings deep inside and became a psychopath. If that moron Sayaka didn't get in the way, I'm sure Mami and Kyouko would hook up.

>>1993743
She'd try, but Madoka is probably going to end up having to take charge and patiently try to get Homura to learn to properly return the kiss.

>>1993743
Yes, she would. Madoka would have to take the lead.

>>1993743
I dunno, awkward seems more Madoka's thing, she's not exactly an experienced girl chaser. Homura is suppose to be the crazy lesbian who knows way too much about stuff. I seem to be in the minority here though.

>>1993758
The boat scene was Madoka awkwardness to the max. It's like she couldn't take the initiative and actually help Homura up, so she just asked her what was wrong instead. Homura acted pretty normal, although she's much more vulnerable due to the whole lost in her own soul gem situation.

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>>1993766
The boat scene confirmed Homura's faggotry and more or less hinted at Madoka's. After falling, Madoka got up and proceeded to straddle her. The familiar is acting like a gondalier with fire works in its hands after riding through a tunnel of love.

Madoka is at the very least being a tease in that scene.

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>>1993767
3/3

Madoka knew what she was doing.

>>1993756
Homura would be just as awkward, she's emotionally unstable.

>>1993746
Stop assuming TDS is Canon.

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>>1993779
Why shouldn't I?

>>1993767
Not sure if you're serious, but Madoka didn't straddle her. She didn't even touch her, she's being awkward. She's just really happy to see Homura, she's not putting the moves on her.

>>1993769
Then why did Homura not talk to her until after they got out of the boat, and Madoka fully explained herself? Madoka's genius ideas of seducing Homura failed completely. Homura even ended up running away and trying to kill herself. Wow, Madoka is impressively bad at this yuri thing.

>>1993774
>she's emotionally unstable.
I disagree, Homura always has a strong handle on her emotions. But even if you're right, wouldn't that just make her crazy? When I think unstable Homura, I think crazy, not awkward.

>>1993756
>Homura is suppose to be the crazy lesbian who knows way too much about stuff.
She doesn't know anything about human contact though.

>>1993792
Homura is not good at being people.

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>>1993798
She knows how to hug Madoka so perfectly that Madoka doesn't pull away. Checkmate.

>>1993832
I wonder if anyone is good at being people. If you mean just dealing with people in general, then see >>1993542

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So I noticed that on pixiv Kyousaya is more popular than MadoHomu. Was it always like this or did Rebellion really push more fanartists into drawing KyouSaya

>>1993841
Anything in the groundhog day loop doesn't count. She's had dozens of tries at the whole series of events to achieve that shit.

>>1993849
Probably. KyoSaya was basically confirmed in Rebellion and was insanely popular during the series run. MadoHomu is still up air I for one never stopped rooting for Team MDHM.

>>1993849
Probably due to Rebellion.

It pretty much threw the ship into old married couple status while MadoHomu is still very much in the air and probably going to only be resolved at the end of the series.

>>1993792
Mostly kidding.

Personality wise, Madoka is dense and Homura is too awkward to make the first move. Madoka would accept it if she were aware of oit. They'd have to get into one of those situations were they trip into each other and end up kissing or something.

Story wise, Homura puts Madoka on a pedastal (literally her god) and would never tell her how she feels because she doesn't believe she's worthy of Madoka's love. Madoka would have to do all the work until Homura felt more comfortable.

>>1993841
Homura has been around for a long time indeed, but her focus has always been on preventing madoka from turning into a magical girl and Walpurgisnacht. This means she's never focused on romance or whatever else you think might make her more of a romance expert than madoka. All work and no play.

>>1993866
Madoka was nigh omniscient, she knew when she was going into the whole Rebellion storyline. Probably would have spent a lot of time coaxing Homura out of her shell once she brought her into the cycle, had Homura not gotten ideas.

>>1993682
I've usually seen people be specific, like "KyousukexSayaka". It's "KyouSaya" in Japanese as well but since Kyousuke and Kyouko use different kanji it's a lot easier to tell.

>>1993746
Sis, if it was a crush it was an infatuation from both sides and the sudden rush of a cool new person isn't something to base a lasting relationship on. Other than feedee and feeder nonsense there's not much to base their relationship on. Kyouko's too crude nowadays. However, Kyouko and Sayaka have been shown to get along pretty darn well living at the same place in the current time, other than a couple of light gripes Sayaka has about Kyouko's work ethic.

And Mami has a kouhai fetish. Since Kyouko's now on the same level as her, she ain't interested. It's all about the lolis now.

>>1993849
Just in terms of translated doujins, there have always been more KyouSaya than MadoHomu.

>>1993887
I'd say that's a rather recent phenomenon, in the last year or two. Translators just seem to have stopped translating MadoHomu completely, so KyouSaya overtook them.

Disliking KyouSaya is suffering.

>>1993887
Pikachi's doujins are God tier. I spent the entirety of last night just reading all her/his Kyousaya doujins

>>1993849
It will probably stay that way to be honest.

Even if the concept movie indicates Madoka's defintion of happiness includes a 6 letter work that starts with H some people don't believe Homura should be forgiven, let alone loved, by Madoka.

Screw them though, more MadoHomu for me.

>>1993895
Do Japanese fans feel that way? I thought that was more of a Western opinion?

>>1993885
>Homura not gotten ideas.

If only Madoka herself not given her those ideas...

>>1993895
I don't see where people are getting the idea that Homura isn't going to end up being forgiven and loved my Madoka. I feel like the series was pretty clear in that Madoka was pretty much Jesus.

Any indication that Madoka wouldn't is just born of Homura's own self hatred and complete lack of self confidence.
>>1993899
Irony is a bitch when combined with plot shit like amnesia and sealed memories/powers.

>>1993895
To be fair. If MadoHomu were to be confirmed it's as much a given that it will surpass KyouSaya in terms of fanart/doujins and any other kind of fan creations regardless of how some people feel towards Homura. After all it is the main pairing and also the pairing with the majority of the focus. Unless KyouSaya also gets it share of moments.

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>>1993849
What did you mean by popular? Number of bookmarks?

>>1993900
>I feel like the series was pretty clear in that Madoka was pretty much Jesus.

I don't think they were going for a Christ metaphor but Homura is more of a Jesus than Madoka. Hell, she's more of a Jesus than Jesus.

Jesus only had to suffer for like three days.
Homura's suffering is eternal.

>>1993903
I wonder if any of those fanfics are any good.

>>1993898
Probably not as retarded as the Western fanbase, but Rebellion is a comprehension issue, not a cultural one.

>>1993900
100% agree. Madoka flat out tells her no matter what she becomes, she'll always be Homura to her. Like I said above, comprehension and maybe even fucking attention span issues.

>>1993901
I hope so.

>>1993905
I wouldn't put it beyond what we Westerners have here currently. A couple of good ones people follow, some decent oneshots, lots of crap, and unfunny "lol crack fics are inherently funny xDDD" types.

I may be a touch salty about the current Western fic output.

>>1993904
Madoka has the whole all loving and forgiveness thing going on, as well as actually sacrificing herself. Homura is basically a time travelling disciple of jesus who tried to keep him from getting killed by romans until he got nailed to a stick good and proper and that was the real timeline.

Or something like that.

>>1993913
Soooooo

genderbent JesusxThaddaios when?

>>1993913
That's if the disciple was totally gay for Jesus.

>>1993662
>>1993696
was it scan? I dont remember.

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chapter 2
https://mega.nz/#!MpsRSYyS!LqaHdULOK8DsGzuBvWbENjQCop9dBjiP5mVjeXtfej8

chapter 3
https://mega.nz/#!UllX0IKY!lp7VskRLrtV1tLLoeNPER8HeXqbAv6MyfYVlR7fc-ts

>>1994024
It's the official release. I have it on my Kindle.

>>1994024
Oh misunderstood. I can screen cap my kindle edition and upload it if you want.

>>1994043
Volume 1 too would be greatly appreciated.

So what was the actual reason Kyouko sacrificed herself? Was it really so Sayaka wouldn't die alone? Or was it because she knew she was about to turn into a witch so she killed two flies in one shot by killing Oktahvia and herself at the same time. Or is it a mix of both things? Or was she trying to save Madoka and Homura and knew she was unable to defeat Oktahvia unless she kamikaze'd.

And if it really was because she cared about Sayaka so much that she'd go that far for her, wouldn't it be a little unrealistic seeing as they only knew each other for barely over a week? But anyway it's not surprising if that's the case seeing as Homura became obsessed with Madoka in just a month, and Sayaka killed herself over a boy. Suppose it might be normal for teenage girls to act that way sometimes.

On the other hand, I can see why Kyouko would become infatuated with Sayaka after the kind of interactions they had during that week, huh. And the fact that she saw her initial idealisms reflected in Sayaka. Perhaps it's even so that her sacrifice wasn't out of romantic love, but rather out of empathy and a sense that she wanted to genuinely save Sayaka... it was to show that she's actually really caring beneath that hard exterior.

Anyway Rebellion shows that Kyouko and Sayaka could become friends just fine, a friendship with the potential of blossoming into romance later on. Since I suspect that Kyouko had feelings for Sayaka in Homura's witch nightmare.
And of course Sayaka returning those feelings.

I'm looking for a SFW comic strip: it had MadoHomu trying not to spill their spaghetti during their school lunch. At least one of them is actually eating spaghetti or noodles, and the onlooker Sayaka comments in the last panel "that's a lot of spaghetti"

Anyone know the one?

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>fate used to be a strong, independent woman but she met nanoha and now she's nothing but a moe blob
>homura used to be a shy, weakly girl but she met madoka and now she is the lesbian devil

>>1994194
>Or is it a mix of both things?

A mix of both. The movie does a much better job of showing that she's critically wounded. She didn't have the strength to kill Octavia conventionally. She didn't come in intending to sacrifice herself, things just went south fast.

>be a little unrealistic seeing as they only knew each other for barely over a week? But anyway it's not surprising if that's the case seeing as Homura became obsessed with Madoka in just a month, and Sayaka killed herself over a boy. Suppose it might be normal for teenage girls to act that way sometimes.

Dont view Homura and Kyoko so cynically. They're shown to care for the people they want to save and that's that. She did not walk into the labrynth intending to die just as Homura did not intend to to spend 12 years repeating the time loop. It's also best not to watch the series with yuri goggles set too high because there really isn't a lot of /u/ in the base series. You answer your own question though: she wants to save Sayaka out of repayment for reminding her why she became a magical girl.

>Rebellion

That's pretty much it. They recognize their mutual feelings for each other.

>>1994234
Lesbianism truly is a power to be reckoned with.

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>>1994234
>Confusing power for personal strength and independence

Fate: Overly dependent on mothers approval, no self-esteem, no personal goals of her own that don't involve her mother. Is finally happy when defeat = yuri.

Homura: Derives happiness from Madoka's well-being, no self-esteem, no personal goals of her own that don't involve Madoka. Will probably only be happy when defeat = yuri.

>>1994043
get Calibre, connect Kindle to PC, transfer ebook, upload ebook

>>1993886
KyouSaya is barely developed if you compare it to KyouMami though. KyouMami had an incredible relationship which actually had time to develop, the two of them didn't try to murder each other either. Kyouko is also more "herself" when she's with Mami.

KyouSaya is more rushed. What happened between them took place within the span of, what, a week? This makes it a little less unbelievable and vastly less developed than KyouMami.

Now I actually do like KyouSaya in the Rebellion time line, but even then, Kyouko didn't actually sacrifice herself when Sayaka turned into a witch, she didn't because Mami was still alive thus sparing her from despairing. In all the time lines that Kyouko didn't die for Sayaka, Mami was still around.

Homulily verse makes it a little more complex though. Since there is not a single hint that Kyouko and Mami are as close in that universe as they are prior to Rebellion. They have barely any interactions, and Kyouko seems to be closer to Sayaka. For some reason they wind up living together too. I think that also explains why Homura would think that Kyouko seems the most off to her out of all the girls- she's not that close to Mami.

Lastly, I think KyouSaya has a lot of unexplored potential. But KyouMami still remains an incredible (friend)ship.

>>1994925
>she didn't because Mami was still alive thus sparing her from despairing

It was because of Sayaka.

>In despair Kyoko voluntarily sealed away her original stance of wanting to help people. She was strong after arming herself with an armor of hopelessness and resignation, but the moment she empathized with Sayaka it crumbled down and she became weak.
>Kyoko of the renewed world doesn’t have to act tough again. She lives a life with pride, without deprecating herself or giving up from the start.

>>1994936
Yes, Kyouko despaired because she was unable to save Sayaka. But on top of that she had also lost Mami so there was literally no reason for her not to turn into a witch.

What I mean to say is. While on different timelines where Kyouko doesn't sacrifice herself for Sayaka, she may end up being guilty for Sayaka's death, but ultimately having to have Mami by her side is more important to her thus the reason she lives.

>>1994941
>Yes, Kyouko despaired because she was unable to save Sayaka.

No, she STOPPED despairing because her interactions with Sayaka saved her. That's what the quote says. You're trying to invent a connection that simply isn't present.

>>1994945
She wasn't even despairing before meeting Sayaka though. That is the whole reason she didn't turn into a witch. Unlike Sayaka she created a shield. Meeting Sayaka and losing her made her despair because she was reminded of her old self. When Mami is still around Kyouko lives.

>>1994952
>She wasn't even despairing before meeting Sayaka though
It literally says that despair was why she became the way she was, until her bond with Sayaka in the new world made her lose her "armor of hopelessness" and regain her pride

>When Mami is still around Kyouko lives.
And this is never brought up or remarked upon as relevant. It's a spurious correlation.

>>1994955
You still don't get it do you

Let's put it this way.

Kyouko's dad commits suicide taking his family along with him > Kyouko despairs > In order to protect herself she creates an armor thus her becoming greedy and only living for her own sake > meets Sayaka > Kyouko is reminded of who she used to be > Sayaka dies > Kyouko falls into despair and commits suicide except in the timelines where Mami still lives.

>>1994960
But we're talking about the new world. In the new world, the reason for the change in Kyouko is, officially, her bond with Sayaka.

And again, without any other connection actually drawn between Mami and Kyouko's survival, all you are doing is making a spurious correlation.

>>1994964
And I agree with you. I'm not disputing that point. What I'm arguing though is that the reason Kyouko didn't fall into despair after failing to save Sayaka is literally because of Mami.

>implying Kyouko can't love both Mami and Sayaka and have her sweet harem

>>1994925
So much delusion.

>>1994966
Kyouko didn't fall into despair after failing to save Sayaka, though. Sacrificing herself isn't the same thing - hell, we never even SAW Ophelia until Portable, and come to think of it I'm pretty sure that the good ending to her route in that has her surviving until Walpurgisnacht despite Mami and Sayaka both dying.

>>1994976
Her soul gem had become tainted. The very reason she decided to commit suicide is because she would have ended up becoming a witch had she survived the battle with Octavia. And as I also remember Kyouko also mentions something about dying in battle and that being the best way to go.

>>1994975
A simple handhold is not more believable than an entire manga of KyouMami development.

>>1994987
An entire spinoff manga, not written by the creator, thus with no insight to his intentions.

>>1994988
Which is still considered to be official material.

>>1994990
So is Mami's Everyday Life.

>>1994986
I'm pretty sure you're just inventing things from whole cloth at this point. We're not shown any "taint" or despair, and she talks about finding the one thing she wants to protect and not being alone, not dying in battle.

By the, mods, if >>1994988 turns out to be crack-kun, that's not me.

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>>1994994
I'm not, don't worry, just tired and grumpy. MamiKyou's okay but to say MamiKyou > KyouSaya is utter silliness.

He wouldn't be so concise.

>>1994987
>A simple handhold
And then Sayaka basically confessing and being frustrated that Nagisa would ruin the moment.

>>1994994
It is shown to be tainted when she has Sayaka's body on her hotel room. She knows she's close to turning into a witch.

>>1995000
We're not arguing about what happened in Rebellion. I already said I was okay with KyouSaya in Rebellion although it has room for way more development. And the hand holding scene is actually quite one sided. Nothing of Kyouko's feelings is ever addressed.

>>1995004
>It is shown to be tainted when she has Sayaka's body on her hotel room. She knows she's close to turning into a witch.

Does not follow. She talks about why she's sacrificing herself as she does it, and giving in to despair is not even remotely mentioned. You are seeing what you want to see.

>>1995006
I'm not denying that one of the reasons she sacrificed herself was so Sayaka wouldn't be alone. But the most important reason was because she knew her eventual demise was unavoidable so she ended up ending her life in battle as she wanted.

>>1995010
It was really clever how the anime highlighted how important that reason was to her by having her never mention it at all despite having an entire monologue to do so in.

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Kyoko's sacrifice had nothing to do with despair. She got rekt in that fight because she was trying to save Sayaka instead of kill her and no longer had the strength to beat her conventionally.

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This is the exact moment she decided to sacrifice herself. She even has a short monologue asking God to give her a "happy dream".

>>1995004
>>it's shown to be tained
you are imagining things, the scene shows a soul gem identical to the one mami has when she shows sayaka and madoka her soul gem.

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>>1994925
>the two of them didn't try to murder each other either.
You're right. Didn't "try"

>>1995136
Still can't understand why she'd murder her love interest like that. Not surprising that she'd turn into a villain.

>>1994991
Really -_-?
So much grunge against TDS just because doesn't focus on KyoSaya so much?
The first 4 chapters are canon, indeed. Those events takes place before Homura's time travels, and thus, she can't alter them...
And it's a few times on Madoka franchise (Portable, Drama CD 3, and even a quote on Rebellion)

>>1995153
I feel like those opposed to TDS don't appreciate Kyouko as an individual and only like her for the sake of shipping her with Sayaka.

>>1995169
If TDS would focus on KyouSaya rather than on KyouMami I bet you would accept it as another canon.

>>1995178
But which version of the anime. I miss Mami's minimalist decorating.

>>1995178
There's a source where it says only the anime and the movies are canon? Or it's just based in suppositions?

As far as I can remember, Wraith Arc is canon

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>>1995162
Kyoko is literally the only reason I tolerate Sayaka. Sayaka being Shinbo's one true waifu annoys the hell out of me, but to each their own.

General

I screen capped and PDFed Tamura vols 1 and 2. What would be the easiet way to get them to the person who uploads this shit?

>>1995241
The manga arent canon. Wraith arc is filler at the end of the day. Unless they plan on HEAVILY retconing events, the final chapter will have to be Homura getting her bow and ribbons back, despairing, and being placed in the isolation field by Kyubey.

>>1995255
Source?

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>>1995162
I get why everyone focuses on the KyouMami but TDS has a heavy amount of MamiSaya.

Frankly, I feel like people use TDS as leverage for KyouMami without actually reading past the first volume, because they finally have one piece of media to support their less popular ship. You can't go on and on about one part while ignoring the rest.

>>1995320
>>1994998

This is what I meant.

I'm all on board the Kyousaya ship. am I the only one who sees Madohomu as extremely one sided

>>1995342
Nah. Tumblr's got it in their heads that it's an abusive, one-sided ship.

>>1995345
Well, "abusive" is admittedly an exaggeration, but I can definitely see what they mean when they say it's unhealthy. Especially post-Rebellion. As for one-sided... I don't know, it feels like a majority of shippers see Madoka as some sort of prize for Homura, like the latter's entitled to her feelings just because of all the shit she went through.

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>>1995351
Homura is my favorite character so I can understand why other Homurafags would see it that way. while I don't mind MadoHomu I don't actually ship it. I've always been of the opinion that Homura would be better alone than always bother with wanting Madoka to be happy and dooming herself in the process. Plus the fact that I can't see how it would be possible for MH to end up together, not even in Homucifer's verse.

And as for a good Homura ship, pic related

>>1995351
If you want to make this argument, then KyoSaya is exclusively based off Kyoko beating the shit out of Sayaka for a few episodes and then sacrificing herself. When Sayaka comes back, she realizes Kyoko didnt mean anythinh wrong by it. Keep in mind this isn't a romance series. It's big Suffering, little u series. Madoka cares greatly about Homura that's indsiputable. MadoHomu is only one sided in that we dont have an answer from Madoka's end and it's pretty clearly the end game of the series.

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>>1995369
If the creators are aiming for a MadoHomu end game then at least they should make Madoka > Homura less platonic and not just pull a "she was always into her" on us. So far all of the interactions coming from her side have seemed platonic. And I agree with the other anon that it's also unhealthy, what with Homura constantly manipulating Madoka's fate and in the process also changing the other Meguca's fates. It's just not a healthy relationship, Rebellion only soldifies this stance.

And as for Kyousaya... To me it always seemed more believable, at least after Rebellion. They have the appeal of opposites attract that also complement one another. And after Sayaka joined the LoC she saw what Kyouko did for her in all those timelines, it's not weird that she'd consider Kyouko to be a good person.

Does /u/ have an archive?

>>1995377
>Creator's aiming for MadoHomu

Series ends with them having a close emotional bond, love like emotional bond (Urobuchi) despite being seperated. Rebellion focuses on Homura and her feelings for Madoka, which were not explicitly romantic until the end of the movie. It's almost as if a new project would develop Madoka's feelings. It's how narrative works.

>constantly manipulating Madoka's fate

Not this shit again. Because she went back in time and prevented her from making a wish? Madoka asked her not to be fooled by Kyubey. After a certain point Madoka would literally have destroyed the world had she made a wish beyond a certain point. If Homura had stopped trying to save Madoka, she would have literally died due to regretting her wish. Of all the people Madoka knew, Homura was the only one who she let keep memories of her in the new universe. Did you actually watch and understand the series?

What did Rebellion give us? A Homura that was literally broken and had externalized her hatred for herself. A Homura did the splitting because Madoka told her in the garden. Homura does not even expect a single bit of reciprocation. But she's just a controlling yandere, I guess. The Madoka universe is literally made a better place twice due to Homura actions and her suffering for someone she expects to hate her at this point.

Madoka wont say "I was always into her". When Madoka does it, she will do it out of want to save Homura from herself and her never wanting to be parted from again Homura again. "No matter what, Homura-chan is Homura-chan."

Do not sit here and tell me MadoHomu and all their physical and emotional intimacy can only be viewed and onesided plantonic yet champion KyoSaya when all it has is a hand holding scene with literally nothing else going for it.

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"In Japanese theatre and literary tradition, double suicides are the simultaneous suicides of two lovers whose ninjo, "personal feelings", or love for one another are at odds with giri, "social conventions" or familial obligations. Lovers committing double suicide believed that they would be united again in heaven, a view supported by feudal teaching in Edo period Japan, which taught that the bond between husband and wife is continued into the next world."

Throw in Swan Lake and the relentless of suicide imagery and I think it's obvious where this is going.

>>1995250
I can get them the archivist, just upload them to mediafire or any other service and I'll forward them. If you would rather have an email to send them to, let me know.

>>1995469
The suicide part is only true for Kyouko, but I don't think there's any doubt that it was supposed to resemble a lover's sucide.

Also did anyone else notice that after the red and blue Kyouko and Sayaka sillhouettes spiral around each other and it breaks apart, you can see a small glimpse of the form of a heart.

>>1995478
I think Sayaka hit her suicidal elementals when she was giving into her despair and becoming a witch. Plus as a Witch, she hits the "tragic monster than needs to be put down for everyone's own good" that blends well with Kyoko's suicide.

>>1995478
Not refering to KyoSaya at all. The clip on the bottom is from the concept movie. And both people have to be aware and have shared feelings for a lovers suicide to occur. It doesnt resemble one at all in E9. Kyoko obviously had feelings for her, but they weren't even friends in the series.

>>1995470
Great, I'll upload them here later after work.

>>1995430
And at the end of the series, even after Madoka has found out about all the shit Homura went through, she still calls her her very best friend. It is still very much platonic.

And besides, the Madoka Homura spoke to at the garden was the Madoka before she turned into Madokami, the whole point of Madoka's character development is that she is fine with leaving behind any of her material attachments if it means she can save te souls of all the magical girls. It was her wish and Homura trampled all over it because she was too stupid and too selfish to realize that Madoka also has a mind of her own and doesn't need Homura to interfere with her decisions. And besides, wouldn't Homura have been together forever with Madoka anyway?

>Do not sit here and tell me MadoHomu and all their physical and emotional intimacy can only be viewed and onesided plantonic
Because it is one-sided, see the above of how Madoka never ever expressed feelings for Homura beyond anything platonic.
>intimacy
Seriously? Even after the space hug there was nothing intimate going between them. At the very least not from Madoka's side.

Look if we're gonna talk about actual, full on, romantic development then KyouSaya is the best example. Even with the little focus on it, each interaction between the two shows the growing mutual respect until it develops into romantic love from Kyouko's side (which is similar to Homura > Madoka except Kyouko isn't literally obsessed), whuch then delves deeper during Rebellion when Sayaka starts to reciprocate after learning of what Kyouko did for her (unlike her Madoka counterpart whom still has platonic feelings for Homura)

>>1995255
hanokage ones are canon, TDS is based on the third drama cd's which is canon to the series along the first drama cd
hanokage had to consult shinbo and gekidan inu curry for feedback to make the development of wraith arc

>>1995478
>The suicide part is only true for Kyouko
Also Homura if you remember Rebellion

>>1996625
Guy answering "only the anime and movies are canon" incoming...

>>1996625
>hanokage ones are canon

[citation needed]

>>1996674
Not him but it is likey since their relationship is hinted at throughout the main series and the PSP game makes it even more obvious.

>>1996625
I became utterly unable to accept hanokage's stuff as canon after he put Homura in twintails after Madoka's apotheosis.

>>1996910
>Please give one scene where said past relationship is hinted and don't bother with the Kyouko vs Sayaka battle. That one's already been debunked.
Debunked how? It clearly has Kyouko mentioning Mami in a way that impkies a past friendship.

And there's also Kyouko having tea at Mami's appartment with Homura. You must be blind not to notice they had a relationship in the past.

And I'm saying that the PSP supports the fact that Kyouko and Mami were friends in the past. During one of the routes Kyouko's motivation to come back to Mitakihara is that she wanted to rebuild her relationship with Mami once again. Supporting the idea that Kyouko would be in Mitakihara whether Mami had died or not, as seen during the timeline where Mami kilks Kyouko.

I'm probably late to realize this but it's kinda funny how the name Kyousuke is the masculine version of the name Kyouko

>>1996991
I doubt it's a coincidence though it must be mentioned Kyouko and Kyousuke's names are spelt differently (it's why you'll see Kyouko nicknamed "Anko" by Japanese fans).

>>1996932
>Debunked how? It clearly has Kyouko mentioning Mami in a way that imp[l]ies a past friendship.
Yeah, not so much. At best it implies that Mami and Kyouko know each other's names. And that doesn't imply anything further.

Mami actually explains in the anime how she and Kyouko know each other. When Mami is telling Madoka and Sayaka about Magical Girl things she mentions how they have territories set up so the girls all have their own turf for hunting witches. The only way it's possible to set up a territory system is by being at least vaguely knowledgeable about the other people.

And no, Kyouko doesn't get mad when Sayaka says Mami's name. She gets annoyed because she keeps thinking she beat Sayaka, and Sayaka gets back up. It's a bruise to her ego. Which is very important to her at the time.

The PSP game is a hack and slash game, that has a changing story based on how well you play. It's not canon. Unless you want to claim that all the sub routes, bad ends, and conflicting stories within the same plot line are canon.

>Supporting the idea that Kyouko would be in Mitakihara whether Mami had died or not
Mitakihara is a good place for hunting witches because it's a large city. She wanted that territory for herself.

>>1997111
So why have Sayaka mention Mami in Kyouko's presence? Just because? Obviously it was to make it evident that Kyouko knew Mami and felt protective over her.
>doesn't imply anything further
Kyouko is literally raging whenever Mami is brought up; she is angry that she failed to protect her (which by the way reminds me of how Kyouko reacted to Sayaka disappearing, lamenting the fact that they'd finally become friends)

And are you really saying that Mami and Kyouko only knew each other by name because they had to? In one of the time lines Kyouko is in Mami's appartment. And this is to you just being mere acquaintences?
>it's not canon
Supervised by Gen, I'd say it's at least semi-canon

>>1997152
See the above. Mami is clearly still a touchy subject for Kyouko as she reacts strongly whenever Mami is mentioned.

>>1997161
Because Mami was/is Sayaka's inspiration for becoming a magical girl. Sayaka talks to Madoka about Mami as well.

At first Kyouko is mad that the newbie, Sayaka, got the good territory all to herself. And then later kyouko is making jokes about Mami kicking the bucket in front of Kyousuke's house. She even had that big toothy fang grin thing going on just after saying Mami was dead.

Kyouko was there along with everyone else hanging out. It was not one on one time between them. That suggests nothing other than kyouko went to their city at first to try and get witches. Then she joined their group of friends.

There is also no such thing as semi-canon. Because the term canon means what is true in a fictional setting. And something can not be "semi true".