Lesbianism in Harem Anime

>>1953122
Well, I'm not sure if anyone here watches haremshit at the first place to know any of these characters.

>>1953141
Many of us have had dark times in our lives.

>>1953141
I don't watch, I just check /a/ threads

>>1953141
Well >>1953128 >>1953126 >>1953123 are from Rosario+Vampire which isn't that bad a series if you read the manga.
Others like >>1953122 >>1953124 >>1953125 are generic haremshit but that particular episode was essentially a lesbian date between the two even ending in them doing an action for couples that is supposed to bring luck in love.

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>>1954371

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>>1953122
I do. And I fully agree that Laura and Charlotte have a much beter chemistry between each other than with the faggot MC.

And I do believe that they shared that crépé together so they are destined to end up with each other. At least that's what my headcanon tells me.

>>1960521
beta couple?

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>>1960521
Is that sia on the bottom? Really looks nothing like her. I guess the budget ran out to wards the end.
>>1960620
>beta
Kaede is aggressive.

>>1960662
Good thing the anime changed her into a maniac. And destroyed Primula's real personality too. Good job there! Fucking assholes.

>>1960666
Changing Kaede's character into a yandere turned out to be so popular that they actually incorporated it into canon in the visual novel sequels after the anime adaptation. I mean before all she had going for her was being an atypical yamato nadeshiko with no other defining traits, and when she was up against a cast of characters more attractive/definable than her I guess the studio felt they had to give her something to fight with. They just skipped primula's character development and kept her a rei clone, didn't they?

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KonoSetsu is canon as fuck.

>>1961687
As much as any of the pairings in that franchise.

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>>1962048
No. They literally got married. It says so in the afterwords when it's saying what happened to everyone after the story was over. That's a colored version of the panel that tells about the two of them.
That is traditional Japanese marriage attire.
It said that both of them got married in 2017.
They made a full pactio. (so they've fucked.)
They canonly have fucked and gotten married.

Suck it, Onee-san.

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>>1953122
>>1953124
>>1953125
I dropped the show instantly after that episode despite watching it's first season, because I realized it wouldn't get any better than this.

>>1962139
Almost forgot: They had kids together too. Their grandchildren look almost exactly like them.
http://www.mangatown.com/manga/uq_holder/c095/15.html

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This fits the bill, doesn't it?

>>1962139
Yeah. Konoka x Setsuna are one of the classic Yuri couples for a reason. They are those rare girls who are are more interested in each other than in the harem lead. And Negima does support them too (plus he has tons of other girls anyway).

The "everything is not yuri" new wave of ignoramus are highly annoying.

>>1962220
Almost, but that's not actually a harem.

>>1962285
Your post is cringeworthy.

>>1962285
10/10 post. You win. You're the best at /u/.

>>1962285
>ken and Japan in general hate homosexuals
where's your proof? When has the author EVER said that they hates gays? If they did, why would they include them in their manga? Why would they allow them to be HAPPY in their manga?
If Japan hates gays so much, then why are they letting them get married now? By 2017, if the trend holds up, all of Japan will have legal same sex marriages.

>And since they vowed to protect each other, wouldn't it normal to be at each ot[h]ers' weddings?
Take your het-shit goggles off, Onee-san. Setsuna was carrying Konoka with a princess carry, while wearing the clothing worn by a groom when they are going through a traditional marriage in Japan, while Konoka was wearing what is traditionally worn by a bride during their marriage in Japan.
They were marrying each other.

>Nice Akamatsu sameface-syndrome there.
Meh.

>
I fucking hate you, you newfags, stop with this shit already. This faggotry is as cringeworthy as 'unicorns'
'The fuck does a unicorn have to do with lesbians Onee-san? That should stay on /y/

>>1962202
>I dropped the show instantly after that episode despite watching it's first season
You don't understand how fortunate you are.

>>1962325
>falling for bait
>forgetting that they weren't even married in Japan
0/10, baka nee-chan.

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>>1962334
Why is there no spinoff manga with them?. You could please both people. The haremfags with the original stuff and yuri fans with an alternate version.

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Asuna and Kirino would have been so much cuter together

>>1962358
Fuck I fucked up I mean Ayase I'm retarded

They surely had hatesex after MC turned them down for worst girl.

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>>1962365
Forgot pic.

>>1962350
Would work better if he went the HnA AA route with a whole new cast with no connection to Gary Stu.

>>1962202
I watched the first season too, but was so frustrated at the shitfest I didn't go forward into the 2nd season. I read the LN up to World Purge anyway so I thought I wasn't missing much, but seeing this makes me want to watch the date episode.

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>>1962358
There's always the yandere yuri route in the PSP game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_xDGjYlI2A

>>1962417
Sounds like a true end if there ever was one.

>>1962365
>o
Lmao im fucking crying

>>1962405
It's the first episode of the second season.

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>>1962346
>implying I didn't know it was bait
Onee-san, please don't think me so autistic as to not realize that it was bait. No. I responded to it because I think it's fin to argue with trolls to see how long they can keep it up.

>implying I implied that they were married in Japan
I only said that they were married in traditional Japanese style and that gay marriage would likely be legal in Japan by the time they get married. I never said they were married in Japan.

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>>1962417
holy shit...
hooooolyyyy shiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

>>1962477
>and that gay marriage would likely be legal in Japan by the time they get married.
It won't be.

>>1962482
That's what people said about the US.

I'm so sorry you can't imagine a future that's better than the present, and while it's hard to tell because you're living in it, the present is a hundred tones better than the past.

Things will be better, anon. Even if you can't see it.

>>1962516
The state of LGBT rights in Japan and USA are vastly different.

>>1962524
More importantly, they are two very different cultures.

>>1962528
>>1962524
Um... are you anons sure you're not mixing up Japan with, say, Saudi Arabia or Pakistan?

Japan is heavily westernized and one of the main reasons why homosexuality became a taboo (it wasn't before) was because Christian missionaries came and fucked everything up like they always do.

>>1962551
>it wasn't before
It was. Pederasty was fine, like in most ancient and a few contemporary cultures. Actual consensual homosexual relations between adults were taboo.

Funny that you mention Pakistan by the way, it's one of the places pederasty is still acceptable. Though I hear it's not as bad as next door in Afghanistan. Though better than Afghanistan isn't really much of a compliment.

>>1962551
It's misleading to say that even before Christian missionaries imparted their prejudices upon Japanese people that homosexuality was accepted on par with heterosexuality. Are you sure you know as much about Japan as you think you do?

>>1962562
>tfw you're just like that gay Dutch guy in Samurai Champloo who gets his hopes and dreams crushed.

So I've been hanging on to this idea of creating a crossover for Date a Live and Infinite Stratos. Basically where the Anti-spirit Team's exoskeletons are reinforced with IS.

Problem is I've only watched a bit of the IS anime and despite finding the mech battles entertaining the harem antics were nauseating. And from what I've read of DAL the concept in interesting but is wasted on harem.

Would it be better to read what is translated of the LNs? It would definitely be faster than having to sit through two seasons of two anime. I know the DAL books have been DMCA'd but it should be too difficult to find them.

Only other problem is how to write the story, considering the target audience might not be familiar with either series and those who are might not appreciate a yuri-fied version. I'm also thinking a crossover would be the best way to go about this since simply rewriting the original would be lazy. I'm also kind of wanting to see if I can make two-dimensional harem heroines whose whole purpose is to make a male protagonist look good can be interesting and fully formed characters in their own right. I don't even know if I have the skill as a writer to pull something like that off.

Any thoughts on this? Good idea? Doomed before it begins? Would any /u/sers actually want to read this?

>>1962782
I'm a decent enough writer. Slightly better than a chimp, or so I've been told. Just ignore all the the typos in my last post that I would have fixed if this damn board has an edit feature.

>The LNs are worse.
I see. I'll still hold onto the text in case speed reading through everything to gain an understanding of the setting is more efficient.

>>1962524
>>1962528
LGBT rights in Japan are already damm progressive, considering where they first started out, what transpired and the make-out of their country and what has been done till now. You must be one of those retarded SJW types, who think if everybody doesn't suddenly magically up and adopt 20th century western ideals, they're "lost". Forgetting that the West itself was a bastion of terrible homophobia and a lot of bad things. It took them more than 200 years of campaigning efforts and difficult changes, to reach the high point of everything you see today. And truth be told, on the ground (which is the bigger reality), homosexual acceptance is only practiced in the more liberal areas and states. When you head out, homosexuality is far from accepted even today.

Considering how the Oriental East has not put the same kind of thought or effort into homosexuality, with their focus more on the economic, other social and military affairs. Japan, for example has come around pretty quick. It's like, should someone smoke 5 cigs a day, if someone just looks at it from face value, that is very unhealthy. But what people don't know, is that person used to smoke 10 cigs a day. Now, when you look at it, it's a damm achievement, that he has cut down 50% of his original habit. It's the same perspective.

>>1962565
Stop being dim already. Nowhere in the world at any point, was homosexuality regarded as equal to heterosexuality. What the anon was clearly saying, is that homosexuality was practiced, without people giving it too much of a thought. Unlike the nearer present, where people are very wary of homosexuality being "wrong". And the anon is correct. Male homosexuality was definitely practiced in the east. And I did remembered coming across a book in my town library about uncovered evidence of female homosexuality in the more ancient eras.

Why would ya even bother shoving yuri subtext into a harem show anyway? It's unlikely you're doing it just to widen the appeal or something since as seen here people just watch up to or only the relevant episode and then wander off and if you were into yuri anyway you wouldn't be interested in a harem in the first place.

>>1963193
People who enjoy harems mostly also enjoy yuri

>>1963200
If you're really lucky she'll be considered an annoyance or some kind of gag character like Kuroko from Scientific Railgun or Miharu from Baka and Test.

>>1963200
Most of the people who enjoy yuri as well as harems are perfectly capable of enjoying yuri in the same way as the people who hates harem

>>1963208
Are you implying if you like harems, you aren't a person?

Speaking of harems, I assume there's probably some yuri harem series I've never heard of before because it seems so unlikely it doesn't exist yet. If there is one, what is it?

>>1963193
Girls get into deliberately romantic situations without the mc actually making a commitment

>>1963200
Setsuna was none of those things.
Yes, she kissed Negi, but that was just to get a power-up.

>>1963288
A pretty crappy power up she ditched eventually. Then she went and got a new power up by macking it up with Konoka.

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It's just that, they would get so fucking mad at each other.

>>1963310
Hime no Tame nara Shineru was harem last I checked. There are some others that are sort of "pseudo-harem" like Bokura wa Minna Ikiteiru that have multiple girls interested in the female protagonist but never explicitly in a romantic way. Tachibanakan promotes itself as harem, but so far it's mostly just a triangle that uses
a lot of "lucky sukebe" tropes.

I honestly think it boils down to people who like harem and people who like yuri are looking for two different things. Harem is all about reliving your adolescence except this time being the center of all the girls' attention and constantly being reminded that you are wanted and needed. Yuri has always been more about being secret and intimate (even if everyone knows). Funny thing is that a lot of school yuri follows the same setup as some harem stories (i.e. physically and academically unremarkable girl somehow catches the eye of the school idol.) Except there's hardly EVER any magic, mecha battles, or Lovecraftian creatures in the form of teenage girls. If you're looking for anything other than run-of-the-mill high school slice of life in anything that has yuri as its *main* genre... you're basically out of luck.

>>1963301
Verily. But it did help in the moment because she needed it to protect her Ojou-sama.
I also would say that the outfit she got with it was better. She got a maid-outfit with Konoka but got a Hakama with pants with her Negi contract. I wish that that had stayed, to be honest.

>>1963212
It's pretty true. If you enjoy harems you're basically an animal.

Whatever happened to that Date a Live lesbian? Answer me with only a cute picture if something gross happens.

>>1974582
She wasn't actually a lesbian, she just had androphobia which was cured after Gary Stu crossdressed for her.

So apparently the elf girl in Gate is legitimately bisexual and not just "likes girls until meeting the MC" type. Supposedly she gets hot for one of the female soldiers even after meeting G.I Otaku, and in pretty sure that never happens in harem series.

Of course, it could just be that since it's another girl, she's not supposed to be perceived as a threat.

Actually, is Gate even harem? I noticed on AniDB that all the girls are just tagged as "friend of" the male MC. and that lot is usually pretty trigger happy about tagging any girl in spitting distance of harem leads as love interests.

>>1962358
>>1962417
>>1962422
>>1962481
There's so many things wrong with Oreimo's adaptation that people actually wanted this shit.

>>1963193
>>1963200
I only watch anime with actual harem building or preexisting ones, none of that fake unwanted shit. And I only watch series with actual explicit yuri that endures the story.

And no, I don't ever want Murceilago to get an undoubtedly shitty adaptation. It should stay a manga only.

>>1974975
Woo! That's good news. I'm collecting Gate (I prefer marathoning a show when it's done), not for the Yuri, but it always helps when there is some Yuri here and there.

>>1963193
I don't think it's really made to pander to anyone. Yuri is actually a mostly seinen-aimed genre in Japan. And people do like more than one variety of stuff. Like, Yuri fangirls in Japan don't often exclusively like Yuri only. They like Yuri, on top of their BL and Shoujo/Shonen goods.

>>1974767
Dammit. That's depressing.

>>1975088
Thought she was Bisexual though? Not lesbian, but bi.

>>1963193
>>1963200
There are people who like both harem and 'yuri' fanservice. It's why you have so much porn with two girls having sex before a guy walks in and bangs both of them.

>>1963322
But that's just it, THEY'RE SO TSUN FOR EACH OTHER!!!

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I will always believe in Yuuri x Iroha.

>>1962366

YES!
YES!
A THOUSAND TIMES YES!!!!!!!!!

>>1975139
As a passionate lover of both happy polygamy and yuri, this is an insult to both my tastes simultaneously.

>>1975089
Nah just a retard

>>1975139
in a sense, i don't think that that would be terrible from a non-yuri perspective if it actually showed the girls pleasuring each other in spite of the guy being there, but as soon as the guy enters all of the attention goes to him and penetration and it's like the two girls are just there instead and all the focus is on the guy fucking each girl in turn instead of it being an actual proper threesome

it's an insult to yuri either way, but i think the way it's generally portrayed makes it even worse

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>>1963322
>>1975185
I would be all over that ship.
Tenchi Muyo women are all way too good for a damn harem anime.

>>1975185
That's what I'm saying, it was so intense it couldn't just be hate.

>>1974987
>And no, I don't ever want Murceilago to get an undoubtedly shitty adaptation. It should stay a manga only.
You're the reason we can't have nice things.

>>1976228
An anime adaptation of it would be a BAD thing. Just like the GATE adaptation is utter SHIT! The only, LITERALLY THE ONLY thing that they did right with that was compound on the Apocalypses Now references in the battle for Italica.

Is it too much to ask for? I just want a gay girl harem so I can self insert for once.

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>>1976320

>>1968703
'harem' is just a convenient naming of a show with lots of girls.
The intention was lots of girls, the male is there to be 'boke'.

You've got your mindset wrong.

>>1976374
That naming is also shit and misrepresents the concept.

>>1953255
but shes a horse god dammit

>>1962551
Is the Church always to blame? The Communist countries criminalised LGBT while at the same time tearing down Churches and making others forcefully renounce their religion.

>>1968703
I enjoyed Haganai but more for the dysfunctional relationships then girls showing any interest in the MC. Quite frankly, the main 'love interests' were horrible people I can't imagine anyone wanting a relationship with but that's another story.

That being said, since I watched a harem but was not big on the harem elements, I guess I can be a turtle who hide when it's convenient. Turtles are cool.

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>>1980622
The character designs for one.

>>1980622
They censored the blood too.
They also made the characters no act like they're in the military. The manga has more realistic responses and explanations.

In summation: It's a moeshit adaptation of something that /k/ actually liked.
If you've never read the manga, then watch the anime first.
If you're like me, you won't be able to enjoy it after you've seen the manga.
(I came in for blood and weapons and the concept.)

>>1980907
So one fucked up adaptation means ALL other adaptations are fucked

Gotcha!

>>1969620
Name?

>>1981021
It's less edgyshit. What means they cutted most of the rape scenes and gore.
It's not like it's a good story, so I think it works best this way, actually.

For some reason they're trying to pair the elf with the medic too.
Considering this has the director of Love Live and the series compostion by the same that did Strawberry Panic, Saki and A-Channel they're probably tired of animating something that doesn't have a lot of girls hugging each other.

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>>1981271
This one, yeah...
Now, even if they actually make her a lesbian now, it's not worth it, since her relationship with kurokawa is just background.

She didn't say that she was a lesbian (although Rory teases her about liking kurokawa). She also have yet to develop any romantic feelings for Itami, although she sees him as a father, and that did happen in the novel too, it seems.

But yeah, none about thinking that she's a lesbian and then changing her mind when she sees Itami so far, at least.

It seems that this scene also doesn't exist in the manga, but neither does her relationship with Kurokawa exist, so maybe they're trying to get the best of the two versions in the anime.

I doubt it, though.

>>1981298
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Tuka was bi before she even met MC. Or was at least attracted to both.

So not exactly another case of "girl claims to be lesbian until meeting harem lead"

>>1981307
On the other side, it's strill a stupid fetish to haremfags.
And no, I'm not saying about converting girls. Contrary to most in /u/, I don't believe that's the intent when they make "lesbians" fall in love with the mc. It's about appealing to a guy that want to have a girlfriend that will like girls just like him, that he can talk about girls with her, and that won't be interested in other men, because she preffer girls.

Still stupid, and harem is stupid and the worst thing Japan ever made.
Yeah, it's worse than bombing pearl harbor.

>>1981320
Call it "Chasing Amy Syndrome"

>>1980916
No. Just when I've already read the manga.

>>1981928
Because without good story, all gore, rape, violence make it just a torture porn.
IMO, only good stories should try to be dark.

Unless they actually want it to be a torture porn, of course.

No one has mentioned Uzume and Chiho from Sekirei? MC and his harem literally go out of their way to save both and even reunite them. That's just overwhelming.

Granted it's only in the manga because the anime only has 2 seasons, but it still counts.

>>1963288

That's because Negima was a shounen disguised as a harem comedy.

>>1983649
But all those links are dead?

>>1981320
I'm telling you, harems are not for self-insert.

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>>1983590
That's the reason why Negima has been the only 'harem' anime/manga I could stand watching/reading.

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>>1953122
More of these two please.

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>>1986689
I know it's not exactly a harem series, but it's pretty het.
I just enjoy seeing these two interact with each other and the series itself is cute.

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>>1986693

>>1986693
Isn't the source material pretty much harem? I know like half of the main characters in the anime (pigtails, sleepy girl, and crew-cut guy) were all made specially for the anime. Meanwhile in the book, I think Chuuni girl and cheerleader both like MC, and then there's the token childhood-friend-who-promised-to-marry who shows up later.

I'm not saying Kyoani is the best at adapting, but they certainly made it more palatable to the non-harem audience.

>>1986746
Often enough they'd work well enough as a comedy, if it didn't focus on romance.

>>1986746
>how a rather large group of people spent a rather large amount of time doing this instead of something actually good.

God, this. Yabuki Kentaro and Komi Naoshi are prime examples of true artistic talent going to waste on harem trash.

>>1986747
I wouldn't say so, I've read the first book and Nibutani doesn't seem into him at all. A love triangle doesn't make a harem either.

>>1986793
Your misandry is neither here nor there regarding whether or not it's a harem.

>>1986804
You talk about cardboard cutout male MCs but the truth is the female characters are just as interchangeable, and it's gotten to the point you can practically have the same character in two different stories. Who's better, Stella or Julis? The answer is nether, they're the same fucking character with a different paint job.

>>1986833
Surely the person who should actually be blamed is the hack writer who came up with all those pieces of cardboard.

>>1986746
You're on a board we're all we care about is cute girls getting it on.
You're in the wrong place.

>>1986746
This is well and truly incorrect.

Tell me, do you think you're the ONLY one to see how stupid MC is?

Of course not, you fuck face.
Those things are obvious to everyone.

The people who cannot enjoy harems are the ones who try to self-insert but can't (because it wasn't designed for that).
I never try to self-insert and I can enjoy them fine.
You assume all they are for is for self-insert and you cannot enjoy them.
Who must be doing something wrong?

Now fucking kill yourself, I'm sick of you and your perpetuating stupidity.

>>1986783
That's not even a harem though.

>>1987284
Are you seriously defending harems? On /u/ of all places? Even on /a/ people who like them admit that they're shit.

>>1987339
Argumentum ad populum.

>>1987284
There's no question there ARE good ones. But they're few and far between. Though even for the good ones, the harem aspect is still annoying.

>>1987540
There are a handful of good ones but mostly the harem aspect is downplayed. Log Horizon and No Game No Life to name a couple. I actually enjoyed C3 and the cursed doll who turns into a girl and is in love with another girl was a bonus. It would be a rather disappointing if Soverignty did end up having feelings for MC but not unexpected. The other heroines were surprisingly well characterized beyond their archetype and the MC wasn't a flaming pile of dicks.

>>1987662
NGNL has the benefit of the elf girl and her human servant beingf extremely shippable.

Mahouka is actually kind of decent even with its God Mode MC. Generally if a series has males other than the MC who are able to attract females it's a good sign the writer isn't a complete hack. Not a very /u/ thing to say, but this thread is pretty OT anyway.

>>1987703
Yeah. Flemmy or Flammie or however you want to romanize it

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>>1987717
Clammy not Flammy, my bad
This is like the only fanart of them I saw on danbooru.

In Tenchi Muyo, he eventually marries them all, and that's one of the things I love about it.
But I'm convinced that the girls fuck each other as much as they do Tenchi.
Not as "practice", but because they are in love with each other as much as they are with their husband.
RyokoXAyeka, MihoshiXNoike, SasamiXWashu, SasamiXRyo-Ohki, and drunken RyokoXMihoshi.

>>1988094
>RyokoXMihoshi
Haha. But what about Kiyone?

>>1988095
I was thinking more in line with the OVA continuity. Kiyone isn't in it, unfortunately.
KiyoneXMihoshi makes perfect sense to me, and unless I'm mistaken, it was implied in the manga that splits off after OVA 2.

>>1988101
And now that I think about it, Kiyone and Ryoko seems right too.
They're both fairly calm and level headed until Tenchi or Mihoshi show up.
Ryoko's first words to her were pretty much "Hey girl, let's get drunk!" as she wrapped her arm over Kiyone's shoulder.

>>1987540
Actually -read- what I said.

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>>1988094
>In Tenchi Muyo, he eventually marries them all
>and that's one of the things I love about it

>But I'm convinced that the girls fuck each other
>as much as they do Tenchi

>because they are in love with each other
>as much as they are with their husband

>>>/a/

>>1988094
That's not being a lesbian, you giant fuck.

If harems aren't entirely women, they're not yuri, damn it. Why is it so fucking hard for anyone to use terms properly?

>>1989172
Maybe you're the one doing it wrong.

>>1988094
This one is speaking the truth: >>1989172
People like you are the reason why I keep finding FFM while looking for yuri. I hate people like you. Yuri must remain pure, but you and your kind would see it corrupted by males!

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>>1989491
No, you're just an autist.

>>1988094
What the fuck am I reading?

>>1989493
Wasn't that a requirement to use this website?

>>1989499
And that's just the tamest aspect of the series. I hear it's REALLY fucked up in some other aspects.

So fucking sad, since the anime was so much fun. Aside from the harem bits.

>>1987662
>konosuba
well not yuri but that show is funny and enjoyable

>>1989503
No, that's being a faggot.

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Can't we just have the two best girls from this het shit series be together instead?

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>>1995524
Yes.

>>1981122
R-15, harem anime with theasome yuri

>>1995524
Unfortunately no.

>>1974767
Where's the cute picture ;_;

>>1995524
I wanna watch this, Hotaru looks so damn good. What a waste.

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I wish these two would hook up and let shitty MC have slutty kaichou.

>>1986689

I choose to believe the Mabinogion is full of repressed lesbianism.

>>1986689
Yeahhh... not the stalking Fake Summer.

>>1960666
Oh shut up. That was the most interesting part of the anime.

>>2006267
Doesn't that basically happen in the LN?

>>2012068
No, it was not.

>>2012192
Wish I could into moonrunes. Please do elaborate.

>>2012192
No