WE WUZ TRUMP N SHEEIT

>>87480819
Those are Klingons? What happened?

>>87480819
hollywood crashing with no survivors.

>>87480819
>put Simon Pegg in charge of writing
>this is what happens
I swear to God this man can do no right without Edgar Wright

But klingons are black people

>>87480819
they look more like pan-africans and BLM-activists to me

>>87480855
Diversity and the SJW cult happened.

They just had to make the Klingons black. Fucking blackwashing everything. First Heimdall, then Electro, then L, then James Bond, now this shit. Baka.

>>87480855
8 years of Dunark Tr'ank. Seriously we cannot allow him to get the Doomsday device codes.

>>87480855
New Trek wants some of their aliens to look more alien, but then didn't go full-furry on their cat-people aliens. Instead they opted to make Klingons looks like a 19th century racial caricature of black people from the pre-bellum south, but with head ridges and dumb armor. I don't know whether blacks should be more insulted over that or the gratuitous use of blackface for the original Klingons.

>>87480928
There are lighter- and darker-skinned Klingons.

>>87480819
A tv show starring Spock's secret human sister (who is black and proud) fighting Klingon Drumpfs?

Jesus fucking Christ.
How can this show get any worse

>>87480999
There are also orange skinned Klingons

omg this drumpf angle works! orange!

>>87480819
damn... this shit looks so fucking retarded
i could careless about whatever faggot OP is complaining about
im just upset that JJ trek raped my franchise

>>87480819
it will be a better comedy than Orville that's for sure

I'm sticking souly on anime until this circle jerk ends.

When does this shitshow start up? Are they still going to show the first episode on CBS before they move it exclusively to the new streaming service?

Wow nice fake nice fake news headline you perma-triggered brain dead alt-right cancer. Read the actual quote:

>The Klingons are going to help us really look at certain sides of ourselves and our country. Isolationism is a big theme. Racial purity is a big theme. The Klingons are not the enemy, but they do have a different view on things. It raises big questions: Should we let people in? Do we want to change? There’s also the question of just because you reach your hand out to someone, do they have to take it? Sometimes, they don’t want to take it.

None of this is critical of any side, it's just examining an issue that is important in our society today as Trek as always done. Stay triggered,

>>87481153
Come on Anon, I voted for Hillary and even I can acknowledge this show looks like it's going to be SJW shit.

>>87481177

I have no opinion on the show but it's an objective fact that OP misrepresented the content of this article to pander to alt-right /tv/ garbage posters.

>>87481254
Getting to the true meaning of an article is not misrepresentation.

>>87480819

I've just watched episode of TNG and was pretty much Make Klingons Great Again. That's 30 years ago, so nothing weird.

>>87480927
>simon pegg
he's not writing for this

>>87480855
more like Nigrons amirite

The showrunner uses North Korea as an example of the Klingons behavior, congrats OP you're a moron.

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>>87480819

>those comments

people are really resisting neo liberalism a lot more than they used to

oh god what have they done

>>87480819
The captain of the show is a white male so it can't be that cucked of a show. Not if they want a season 2.

>>87481277
You're an idiot

>>87481516

Doubt really count if half of them are you m8

>>87481550
>The captain of the show is a white male so it can't be that cucked of a show.
He dies in the first season to make Black Spock captain

>>87481516
They were obviously linked from right wing sites. Star Trek writers have always put their politics not so subtly in the shows. Star Trek basically wrote the book on forced diversity

>>87481777
There's nothing more comical than far right people trying to claim Star Trek isn't super left wing

>>87481746
They already have the Asian captain dying in the first season. They won't pull the "dead captain" trick twice in one season.

>>87480819
Will any women get slapped for being hysterical?
That might get me to watch this ill-advised turd.
Who's going to pay for this? What were they thinking?

>>87481995
>Who's going to pay for this?
TNG cucks aka fake Star Trek fans.

>>87480819
10 years from now, when Trump either didn't do much to rock the boat, or ended up doing a lot of good as President, either way, all this "sky is falling" media being generated currently will look so fucking retarded. They will be such embarrassing, insulated products of this time period, that no one will ever go back and revisit them/rewatch them.

>>87482047
Lol you're a joke

>spend years post-TOS framing the klingons as a proud warrior race that has a complex culture and dysfunctional political system, use Worf as the klingon archetype who's appalled at the deterioration of his culture and has constant internal conflicts between his disloyal people and his loyal friends
>throw it in the trash because muh Trump

fucks sake

>>87480962
>look more alien
>it's still a guy in a shit costume with bad head makeup

If they really wanted more alien look they wouldn't be humanoid.

>>87480928
Klingons are monghols

>>87481153
Romulans are the ones that are always used to portray a despotic, authoritarian and isolationist government, you've never seen an episode of trek in your life

>The Klingons are not the enemy, but they do have a different view on things. It raises big questions: Should we let people in? Do we want to change? There’s also the question of just because you reach your hand out to someone, do they have to take it? Sometimes, they don’t want to take it.

None of this has anything to do with the klingons

>>87482082
To be honest all the trump hate is already feeling dated

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>rent free

>>87482209
These aren't Worf's Klingon's
They're an ancient splinter group

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>>87482082
You'd think ...
But they did the same exact thing during Reagan and despite the glorious surge of American prosperity and strength, the Left was never held accountable for their blindingly wrong positions.

>>87481825
There's nothing more sad than liberals who have never seen Star Trek thinking every episode is a lefty morality tale like the half black/half black aliens one in TOS. Star Trek has always been super meritocratic, which is right wing.

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>>87480819
>Isolationism is a big theme. Racial purity is a big theme. The Klingons are not the enemy, but they do have a different view on things.

That's... actually a nicer view of Trump supporters and white nationalists than most media and politicians take. At least they're not saying isolationism or ethnic purity are necessarily "bad" ideals.

>>87482546
Cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo

>>87480946
sensiblechuckle.gif

>>87481000
the initials of the show is STD and no one involved with the show realized for months that.

Discovery is an honest to goodness trainwreck that we can only hope is so bad that it becomes hilarious to watch and not just a cringefest.

>>87482505
If you're going to change everything about their race, why not just make a new race? It's Star Trek lmao they invent species all the time

Oh, wait, I know why they decided instead to rehash a beloved species, it's because they're pandering to normies and "klingons" is one of three things that the average person knows about star trek

>>87481033
>could care less

I hate all fat retarded Americans that don't know the saying is COULDN'T

>>87482542
The biggest thing Reagan accomplished was outspending the Soviets and forcing them to collapse. No small accomplishment but everything else was a fucking trainwreck. Iran-Contra, Trickle-Down/Reaganomics and laying the groundwork for the Taliban by refusing to aid in Afghanistan's reconstruction were all factors contributing to the problems we currently face. Reagan was extremely short-sighted.

>>87481153
>The Klingons are not the enemy, but they do have a different view on things
But they literally were in that era of Star Trek

>>87482546
I think it's more white nationalists not wanting to admit the Trek they grew up with was about a marxist utopia.

>>87482565
>the story is about a federation colony that's getting flooded with klingon refugees who are converting people to the religion of Khaless and beheading those who resist

Really would make my nog jog

>>87482565
they will in the show. they don't want to tip their hand and put people off too early.

>>87482679
Don't forget
>During Reagan's presidency, the national debt nearly tripled, and the U.S. went from being the world's largest creditor nation to the world's largest debtor nation in under eight years

It's easy to look prosperous when you borrow money from everyone

>>87482710
It's about a post-scarcity utopia you retard, star trek's society is based on space magic

Trust me, I'll hop on the communism train once we can convert energy to matter

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>>87482679
>Trickle-Down/Reaganomics and laying the groundwork for the Taliban
People who don't get that Trickle down economics is the fundamental core of capitalism itself. Socialist plebs.
His policies led to an economic heyday that lasted through the next two administrations.

Libs hate Reagan mostly due to his success making them look very very bad. Same is likely to be true post-Trump.

>>87482789
Yes. A post-scarcity marxist utopia.

>>87482710
The federation is even more culturally chauvinistic than the romulans, they'd have no room for tolerating and respecting something like Islamic """"culture""""

>>87482817
see
>>87482782

>>87482710
Star Trek isn't marxist either, it's a generic form of socialism where everyone works for the betterment of themselves and society, and those who don't are seen as strange and childish (at best).

Us National Socialists love the sound of that.

Well there's a show that I probably will not watch.

>>87480927
>God
Allah*

>>87482710
Where's the class conflict in Star Trek? Any objective analysis will show Star Trek to be National Socialist.

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>>87482828

William Shatner is spinning in his grave.

>>87480819
This looks like a Champions Online character where someone jammed the tone of everything up to shiny metal, including skin.

>>87482835
Culturally sure, but it was all about everything being free and everyone's needs being provided regardless of how much they worked. That's socialist as fuck. Also according to race realists, the Federation shouldn't exist because culture is intrinsically tied to race. You can't be mono-cultural AND multi-racial.

Instead of writing about current issues with allegory they should be writing broader, more applicable stories that are relatable to a number of situations. No one is going to give a shit about this Trump stuff in 10 years because they'll have their own problems to deal with. No one remembers 'why' George Orwell wrote 1984 but its message is so broad and relevant that we still read it to this day.

>>87482546
Don't tell me you actually believe Star Trek is in any way right wing. They literally live in a society without money. Race is rarely brought up because the idea was that humans have moved beyond it.

>>87480962
so does star trek retcon it's own canon with each series, or do they explain changes like this? Because the next star trek movie will have to decide between black klingons and mocha klingons now, right?

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Why does a fictional sci fi TV show have to be about Trump?

>>87482828
Property rights have never been discussed in Star Trek, nobody knows how for example how people own property on earth.

All we know is that employees of the federation aren't paid, because there's no use for money within the federation

There's also no 'from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs' seeing as nobody's under any obligation to work because everything you ever want is in abundance.

The entirety of human economics, including marxism, is based on scarcity. Trying to describe it as marxism is a category error, there's nothing to redistribute or produce because everything is infinite. You're obviously a literal brainlet.

>>87482817
But it doesn't work.
It never "trickledowned"
The disparity of wealth has exploded between the top and everyone below

>>87482542
Adventures of Inigo, AKA Inigo Gets Out, the first Hypercard stack game years before Myst and stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxN8ZlIAwsI

>>87482877
"National socialism" is a hollow term with as much meaning as "Democratic people's republic"

>>87482844
Having socialism in the name doesn't make national socialists adherents of socialism. National Socialism refers to a specific form of fascist idoelogy.

>>87482904
>but it was all about everything being free and everyone's needs being provided regardless of how much they worked. That's socialist as fuck.

Everyone's needs are met because there was zero cost. There is >0 cost to providing things in real human society. Do you even understand the shit you're espousing? Oh, of course not, you're an american "socialist" who watched a couple bernie sanders speeches

>>87482817

>comparing Reagan to Trump

holy shit you trumpfags are retarded.

>>87482916
Right wing != capitalism and racism

>>87482916
yeah, National socialism aspires to directly that. All toil for the betterment of the volkskörper according to their (racial) station and money, the whip of the jew, is abolished. Sounds utopian

>>87482946
>there's no use for money within the federation
Which is inherently stupid because we still see them needing to barter and trade constantly, whether within the Federation or with species outside the Federation. Currency is just an efficient facilitator of trade, that's its whole purpose. Not having money when the practice of exchange is alive and well makes zero sense.

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>>87483036

>>87482904
>according to race realists, the Federation shouldn't exist because culture is intrinsically tied to race
this isn't necessarily true. the niggers would just eat and breed endlessly (as they do), without impacting the culture or public life in any meaningful way (we're talking about the brainlets who never invented a written language or adopted the wheel, here). they would probably be less violent, but only because they'd be too fat to go anywhere.

>>87482994
It's socialism whether you want to admit it or not. Gene Roddenberry was vocally socialist.

>>87482907
He wrote 1984 because of WW2 you dumb fuck, everyone knows that

>>87482932
Klingons weren't confirmed to have actually changed in-universe until DS9: Trials and Trribleations when the characters go back in time and notice that the Klingons don't look like Worf, before then it was just a makeup decision. Enterprise decided it was because of a genetic virus thing.

And the movies and TV series are now unrelated and owned by different companies, they won't relate to each other.

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>>87480819
There have been black Klingons before, what is the problem?

>>87482907
this. allegory is inevitably bland, preachy and dated. cheapening a story to the status of a political polemic is just lazy writing.

>>87483070
If that were true, we wouldn't have characters like Geordi or Sisko.

>>87483054
>Not having money when the practice of exchange is alive and well makes zero sense.
It does if you want to prevent the hoarding of wealth without contribution

A barter system for citizens means that if you want something, you need to personally produce value. Money allows people to start skimming and become wealthy being intermediates.

Simple barter works for the Federation because all needs are met. No one is going to starve because they have nothing to barter or fail to find someone to barter with. So the failings of a non-monetary based barter system is covered.

>>87483156
Keeping it topical is what keeps it relatable. Enterprise was full of 9/11 allegories for example and /tv/ loves that show.

>>87480819
>How to lose viewers
God forbid we stop injecting politics into every fucking thing. I know Star trek is a political show that's supposed to make you think about shit but I always thought TNG had a bit more nuance then just saying "TRUMP SUPPORTERS ARE BARBARIANS" even if it already had a left lean

>>87483088
Not an argument. Economics is the foundation of socialist political theory. Economics concerns itself with the distribution of scarce resources. Resources are not scarce in Star Trek (impossible and magical), ergo economics does not exist, ergo you can't describe their society socialist.

>>87483088
roddenberry's 'socialism' was made possible by a technological breakthrough, not a political revolution. that isn't marxism.

>>87482976
>>87482977
>>87483059
Go read about their politics from someone who believes in them rather than propagandists with echoes round their name.

>>87483054
Exactly, not even star trek understands star trek's economics, hence I mentioned property rights on earth

Why did Sisko's father have a restaurant? Why did Picard's family have a vineyard? Surely a lot of people want to live in New Orleans and rural France, were they under an obligation to produce something for their land? Who made the decision to give them the land? Does inheritance exist in Star Trek?

If you can't answer how land is distributed then you can't know what "economic" system exists.

>>87483156
Lol what a joke

2 seasons tops

Fuck this show. Yes, ST was always progressive, but it didn't get all in your face about it and make that the main thing. Not interested in this social engineering shit.

>>87483227
Politics don't require belief.
If they need belief to function then what you have a religion

>>87483156
>t. Tolkien

>>87483237
It was completely in your face, you just watched it as a kid and had no understanding of the era it aired in so you didn't notice.

>>87483192
the problem with current hollywood is that no one knows how to do subtility anymore, just straight on to beat you over the head with a political slant

>>87483164
point is that if africans in star trek acted as africans actually do irl, they wouldn't undermine the federation's culture. they'd just overpopulate and then demand more replicators for their colonies an shieet.

>>87483268
Can you not read? I'm saying you've been lied to about what they stand for by people who don't like them.

Imagine if there was an episode of TNG where the president of the federation got a blowjob.

literally no idea why people do this
why do hollywood do-gooders need to make some self-insert modern day analogy in everything they do instead of just making a cool sci-fi story

there were obviously a handful of things similar to this in other series' but none so self-back-patting or forced

>>87480819
Politics and blackwashing apart... This look like shit. Power Rangers had better costumes than this

>>87483320
TNG was already off the air when that happened, you casual.

>>87483336
Yeah why does Star Trek need to have a Russian on the bridge, I'm sick of cold war politics.

>>87483182
Except that money is just a means of making the exchange of goods and services, money itself isn't corrupt or the root of all the evils of capitalism. If money can still be corruptible in the period of the Federation, then so can bartering.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx5I7uEEEYo

>>87483319
That's right. And Mao's Great Leap Forward truly did help all of China.
If you don't believe it, then you just got lied to.

>>87483227
I'm very familiar with what NatSocs think, or at least the national socialism expressed by people like you on /pol/ who think the root cause of every evil is a race of bearded schemers.

>>87480940

Every klingon in TNG is black bro.

>>87483192
see
>>87482565

You're the one jumping to that conclusion.

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>>87483233
>dozens of episodes about muh occupation with obvious holocaust overtones wasn't bland or preachy

>>87480819
why does he look like a coon?

>>87483404
wasn't gowron in TNG?

>>87483290
If that were true, African nations wouldn't be among the fastest growing economies in the world right now. They would just be nonstop tribal violence.

>>87483365
that's not a story long arc

>>87482565
>but they do have a different view on things.
and those views probably involve extermination

>>87483422
It wasn't actually, if only because it showed the other side with people like Dukat and that guy from Duet, it handled it with a little class, before Dukat became space satan of course

>>87481277
>digging into the motives of boogeymen who don't exist is now the true meaning of everything

God I hate /v/ for starting this fucking meme

>>87483485
To each his own.

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>>87483466

>implying gowron is anything other than a blackface klingon

>>87481777
>forced diversity
>LE BUZZWORDS MEANS I DONT HAVE TO PRODUCE EVIDENCE TO MAKE MY ARGUMENT RITE

>>87480927
Simon Pegg wrote the last movie, which was actually good.

>>87483540
That's a very good impression of an alt-righter.

>>87483377
>money itself isn't corrupt or the root of all the evils of capitalism
No, but money allows for the possibility of "corruption".
It allows people to accumulate wealth without the production of goods or valuable service.

>>87482679
>Trickle-Down/Reaganomics and laying the groundwork for the Taliban

Poverty causes Islamic Jihad. If we'd just given some welfare to Bin Laden he never would have attacked us.

>>87483587
By that logic everything can be used to corrupt everyone, what you're describing is just corruption, the fact that people can corrupt themselves via money is irrelevant

>>87483471
The term "fastest growing" means fuck all.
If have 0 dollars and then gain 1 dollar, my growth rate is for a moment infinite

>>87483480
Oh please as if every second of this storyline is going to be a direct allegory for today and not just a general theme.

Stop being so whiny and triggered

>>87483285
It's just a reflection of society. 20 years ago it was impolite to mention your politics in mixed company. Maybe you'd do it after a few drinks with a few people close to you but otherwise you kept mum.

Now, people expect deep political conversations on first dates through tinder. Unless you're an actual political activist I think that's uncalled for. Ultimately if you're living in a first world politics doesn't really effect you that much and if you feel the need to bring it up at every opportunity you're either using it to virtue signal or have nothing else going on in your life.

>>87483557
>beastie boys track and a motorcycle
>making the same mistake twice
>"good"

>>87483471
they're growing because of chinese investment, natural resources, and infrastructure left behind by europeans. also due to huge increase in population (because of european infrastructure and medicine).

>>87483383
How can you not understand what I'm saying? How simple do I need to make this?

You've been lied to about what they believe. Like this:

"Liberals think raping infants is morally good".

>>87483418
It's not jumping when Klingons existed before STD. Whether or not they are the good guys, Klingons are space barbarians, and portraying half of the country as 'might makes right' barbarians is divisive.

>>87483377
Weirdly it also seems that it's only humans or core members of the federation who don't use money

There's a "bank of bolias" and there's that episode where Ezri goes to her family and they own like a massive mine or something on Trill

Dax also seems to always have enough money to play damjat, and starfleet personnel of all types love playing that game, which requires latinum

>>87483587
That doesn't make any sense since we already know there are a shitload of things that can't be replicated, such as dilithium and latinum, then your economic system has gaps that could be filled by a medium of exchange - you know, currency. The medium itself isn't corrupt and if anything makes it possible to standardize the valuation of traded items.

>>87483616
No, you're missing my point.
If you want to be "corrupt" in a barter society, you need to produce things and trade them directly with the people who want it.
Money breaks the chain of use for use. Money allows for "possibility of use" for use, and even "possibility of use" for "possibility of use".

Barter is strictly use for use. That's a problem when you need to feed people. A farmer does not need 100 pairs of shoes from the cobbler. Money allows the cobbler not to starve despite only making shoes.
But with magic post-scarcity technology preventing anyone from ever starving, then you can have a functioning society where the farmer chooses not tot trade with the cobbler if he already has a pair of shoes

>>87483628
By your original logic though, they shouldn't be growing at all.

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>>87483678
Believe me, I'm familiar with what you mouthbreathers believe

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>>87480855

the Klingons altered them selves with human DNA from genetically engineered humans thinking it would make them stronger and smarter

>>87483497
dukat was the only thing that made those episodes worth watching. even then, the message was very heavy-handed.

>>87483752
What use is dilithium to a regular Federation citizen?
Sure you can set up a medium of exchange, but why would the average citizen want to?

>>87483752
Dilithium is mined by discarded EMH MK1 programmes lmao

>“The allegory is that we really started working on the show in earnest around the time the election was happening,”
gee what an original concept that I have never seen done before in a show that came out just this week

>>87483766
Not my logic, not my post.

I'm just saying that "fastest growing" means nothing. I have no idea what you were arguing about before

>>87483752
An ounce of dilithium is enough to increase the speed of an object to a gorillion times faster than the speed of light

Pretty sure powering a planet is not an issue

>>87483753
I hate barter fags. They want every transaction to turn into an episode of Ed edd and Eddy.
>Trade my magazine for a slingshot for a skateboard for lipstick for a chicken egg for hair dryer for a jaw breaker

>>87483664
Investment and infrastructure mean nothing if the local population is nothing more than animals. You still need local cooperation from a people capable of grasping the fundamentals of economics and infrastructural development.

>>87483525
looks like a jew desu

>>87483678
>"Liberals think raping infants is morally good".

some of them actually do believe this.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/the-sexual-revolution-and-children-how-the-left-took-things-too-far-a-702679.html

see also:
http://www.wilhelmreichtrust.org/mass_psychology_of_fascism.pdf

>>87483697
>Klingons are space barbarians
Now you're being racist.

>>87483678
And I'm saying that just saying "You've been lied to!!!!" means absolute nothing to me.
Every bullshitter says "What you have is wrong, I have the realiest real truth".

>>87483768
Sure thing, baby raper

>>87483848
Look how much trouble Picard had with ONE KLINGON onboard the Enterprise. Nigg- I mean Klingons should be exterminated!

>>87483829
look up empire of dust. the chinese are having a lot of trouble getting much of anything out of the natives.

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aren't the people who like the Klingons going to be pretty pissed off they're being called Trump racists? I mean you have nerds that literally learned how to speak it.

>>87483828
That's the thing with post-scarcity combined with holodecks and shit.
You only need to put in as much work as you want. If getting the "Jawbreaker" is too much trouble, then don't do it. Nothing bad will happen to you.

Besides, remember that episode where Jake and Nog do all that work to get Sisko a present and everyone all around the station are made better by their effort?
It's not such a bad thing

>>87483911
Yes, everyone who knows and likes the show should be annoyed with this debasement of an important species just for political purposes, regardless of whether you like trump or not

>>87483860
If someone holds a belief and you want to find out what that belief is, who should you ask:

a) The person themselves
b) Someone who hates that person and wants you to hate them too

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>>87483782

you think the federation gives you your own holodeck?
you think you are allowed to own your own ship?

the populations are crammed into towers on earth and you get to eat food replicated from other peoples faecal matter

It seems if you want any luxury you have to be a member of starfleet or served in starfleet

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>>87483747
I think it's just better to assume money is necessary for everything above basic needs, which is basically how things should be. Even the Star Trek Online game realizes the necessity of currency even if it has to frame it in terms of "energy credits" or whatever the fuck. In fact there are several forms of currency in that game because even the developers realized that post-scarcity doesn't mean assembling entire starships can come at an absolute zero cost.

>>87483968
If someone holds a belief and wants to convince others, they should say why that belief is a good thing and not just say that non-believers are categorically wrong

>>87483843
>spiegel

>>87483910
I think they ended up just importing their own labor force. Really makes you think that its more efficient to pay for labor than to have slaves. Makes me wonder if America really even ever got anything done out of slavery

>>87483889
He also had problems with the android. Like constantly.

If you guys are having trouble imagining a post-scarcity civilization, read the Culture series.
It does a far better job than Star Trek does.

>>87484053
Pretty sure they did or the south wouldn't have fought a whole war of secession to try to keep them.

>>87484075
>we fought the civil war over slavery
read a book sometime

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>>87483911
>>87483949
Not really. A lot of Trump supporters associate with the badass savage race. That's why there are so many Trumpies who play Horde in WoW.

>>87484021
Can you explain to me why you think raping babies is a good thing without telling me I'm wrong about you believing that?

>>87484114
>i-it was about state rights!
Yeah. Rights to keep slaves. Maybe you should read a book sometime. The whole reason slavery was allowed under the US Constitution while the colonies fought for independence was because not allowing it would've alienated the mostly southern slave owners.

>>87484053
>Makes me wonder if America really even ever got anything done out of slavery
it's very debatable as to whether they actually did. there's a reason the north advanced so much more quickly. if there was any net benefit, then it was pretty much cancelled out by the civil war.

>>87484145
I don't care what you think about me. I have no opinion I'm trying to make you believe.

>>87484114

*picks up a quran*

I can have how many wives!

>>87480819
star trek has ALWAYS been "progressive". it showed one of the first interracial kisses on TV after sean connery intentionally fucked around while filming and forced them to use the scene.

>>87480940
Most Klingons have been played by black actors since TNG. The problem is not the skin color.

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>>87484145
It is directly infringing on the babies rights and violates the NAP.

>>87484114
>implying
why don't you actually read the reasons stated by the confederate states themselves rather than what some revisionist tells you?

https://www.civilwar.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states

>>87483557
He only wrote the intro scene you wancka

>>87484061
That's because the Culture imagines it to the point where it's basically magic. Star Trek still has limitations on how post-scarce things really are. At least the Culture novels had the foresight to realize there's always a bigger fish, and even the Culture itself was just a spec in the grand cosmos.

>>87481345
Underrated post

>>87483997
Where do they get money from in the first place though?

If Jake didn't have any money then we can assume that the federation doesn't just give out money to its citizens, nor does his job working as a reporter for starfleet's news service earn him any money, so where does it come from in the first place?

Hence why I think it's best to just dude turn your brain off when it comes to this

>>87484274
That was your post, wasn't it?

>>87484249
If the confederacy wanted to keep the institution of slavery alive in perpetuity, why did they ban the importation of slaves?

>>87482977
Yes, National Socialism is a form of socialism you absolute fucking mongoloid. The "National" in the front denotes socialism in a nationalistic sense, where fellow contrymen are put above rapefugees.

>>87484303
It's best to turn your brain off... right up until the series itself brings it up. The problem is that the more you try to humanize the characters, the more the writers start giving them actual ambitions and desires and things that inevitably fuck up an imperfect socialist system, which is what we're looking at with the not-so-post-scarcity Federation.

>>87483997
The game where phasers with a stun setting don't even work, much less kill or disintegrate.

>>87484259
>Star Trek still has limitations on how post-scarce things really are.
The problem is that while this is true, the show rarely if ever acknowledges it.
There's not enough space on Earth for everyone to get what they want.
How do you deal with billions of people who, say, want to own a restaurant in historic New Orleans?

>>87484345
economic reasons

You really should read a book sometime

>>87484345
Because it promotes the sale of domestic slaves.

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Has anyone figured out how they use these yet?

>>87484249
>South Carolina makes cognisant points about treaty obligations
>Mississippi goes full "niggers are black so can work in the sun"

lel

>>87482572
ok seth

>>87483557
objectively the worst star trek ever

>>87484447
They hold it with the small poky parts facing out so that the big arms wrap around their body.
That way they can poke people in front and in back at the same time

>>87484347
>Yes, National Socialism is a form of socialism
Haha holy shit. Yeah, no. "National Socialism" started by trying to create a nationalist "redefining" of socialism but in the process ended up being nothing even remotely resembling socialism. Which you'll notice is why it became the anti-thesis of true socialism and communism. In the end, the only thing it has in common is being a form of collectivism, one more closely understood as true fascism.

You mongoloid political neophyte.

>>87484416
I'm genuinely interested though, I'm not american

>>87484483
>You mongoloid political neophyte.

We don't talk like this on this website, perhaps they do over on reddit, I don't know, but it sticks out like a sore thumb here

>>87484211
Yes but this is what's progressive RIGHT NOW AND I HATE IT

>>87484483
Hitler was obsessed with making everything cheap and affordable so everyone had a volkswagon and a volks this and volks that. Complete socialism.

Stalinism was the opposite, the government took everything and made people come get it from them.

>>87484483
Both socialism and fascism have nominal private ownership of most industry, but government controls it as a "partner".

They differ in other ways, like emphasis on nationalism vs. The People bullshit.

>>87483774
That only explains TOS Tv Klingon.

The clone of Khaless was like martok, gowron, and worf.

>>87480819

wow thats a klingon now? JUST

>>87480962
Most klingons have been tan Caucasians.

Worf was a rare black Klingon

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>>87484447
But we know what the first Bat'leth looked like

How did they go from this, to that to the TNG ones?

The Klingon design is fine, this is just edgy for the sake of being edgy

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>>87484623
Reminder that Gowron was white

>>87484519
I bet it does, stupid.

>>87482891
underrated

>too many blacks think it's mocking we wuz kangs better spell out the anti drumfptttness everyone knew was coming to them.

>>87481153
>>87481254
TRIGGERED AS FUCK LEL

>>87484739
And so was Martok. Both are based.

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>>87484303
>Where do they get money from in the first place though?

>>87485966
Dying Guy: "Data...clear...my replication recent history!"

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>>87484347
The Nazi Party ditched its socialist platform post-Röhmputsch you fucking autist.

Are you going to argue that DPRK is a democracy also?

>>87481515
just goes to show the producers don't know anything about the Star Trek universe. Klingon were never despotic isolationists, they are in fact the polar opposite of isolationists, if anything they are more akin to the Mongol Hordes

>>87486195
lol ditched socialism

They were the gold standard for socialism, works projects and military spending to create jobs. Massive welfare spending: social security insurance, housing, unemployment, fucking everything. They were the people's party. Volksgemeinschaft to the fullest.

>>87481153
so you didnt explain how OP is lying. Op didn't say anything about criticizing. he said they were meant to be trump supporters. how is he wrong? i'll expect a no reply on account of you getting thoroughly BTFO

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>not giger design we swear

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>>87480819
>every single show being made now has a political angle

gods fucking damnit

>>87481000
>A tv show starring Spock's secret human sister (who is black and proud)

for fucking real

>>87482565
it will explore if isolationism is wrong...in the end, it will be

>>87481153
>The Klingons are not the enemy

So this is some alternate timeline shit or do they just not give a single fuck about the lore?

>>87487284
there's nothing Giger-ish about that design, you're confusing design with shots, as in this pays homage to the shot from the first Alien, not to the design.

>>87487394
They'll certainly write them awful enough to make it so by the end of their one-season-run.

Dukat did nothing wrong and he made cardassia great again, for a while.

>>87487284
>Star Trek
>goes out of its way to NOT look like Star Trek

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>>87480819
>klingons, a noble and fierce warrior race, now dresses up like lady gaga

STD FUCKING SUCKS

STD SHOWRUNNERS ARE DISGUSTING CAMPGAY DRAGQUEEN QUEERS

#STDnotmyStarTrek
#STDchickshowNotMyStarTrek
#STDladygagaklingonsNotMyStarTrek

>>87487454
I think they are supposed to be a separate group of klingons.

>>87481777
>They were obviously linked from right wing sites
What difference does that make? It's still the same amount of discontent.

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>50 scoops

DRUMPF HAS 50 SCOOPS?

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>>87480819

I've said it before in every fucking thread and I'll say it again: I don't care about this shit show since CBS locked it behind a paywall. Fuck them and everyone behind it. I pay for cable. I'm not about to pay to see something I should be receiving as part of that service. It's idiotic and they've alienated a small group of people that would give a fuck about it anyway.

>>87480819
This just looks awful.

>>87487765
>paywall
>paying ever

>>87480819
>that video in the link
God, chug your own cum a little faster guys.

>>87487765
Its being put on TV here in Canada. Odd.

>>87487790

Piracy aside it's a shot in the nuts to anyone who actually pays for satellite/cable in the US.

>>87487836

Exactly. I don't know what the fuck they're thinking but I don't care enough to even pirate it. It's like taking a baseball bat to the kneecaps of the show. Nobody will give a fuck and CBS is based in the US which would be it's major audience.

>>87487721
like people in this thread, they're acting like Star Trek is breaking new grounds in involving contemporary politics

>>87482546
right wing/left wing is all relative. If you make left wing = big government and right wing = no government, The Federation is fairly left wing. But then so is Socialism and Nazism.

>>87486640
>people's party
>used conscripts
It sure is easy to say you're doing all those things, then enlist every adult male of fighting age to go out and die for a pointless war. Mandatory enlistment is not "welfare"

Socialist states are always isolationist. You don't see Norway trying to annex Iceland.

>>87482884
underrated

>>87482679
There was never "trickle down economics". That was a term invented by political opponents as a way to demonize any attempt at tax cuts and reduced spending.

>>87488157
>Socialist states are always isolationist
>Socialist states don't conscript
That's literally unrelated to socialism. They were a nanny state that provided everything for people who couldn't provide for themselves. They were ideal socialists, just not ideal in every other way.

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>>87480819
>computer
>on my mark
>create a replica of Commander Worf
>now increase aggressiveness by 200%
>also increase his sexual organs by 200%
>also transfer Vulcan PonFar protocols to Worf
>now computer
>locate Wesley Crusher
>good, then transport Wesley to the holodeck
>erect a level 5 forcefield around the holodeck
>...
>mark
>...
>disenage safety protocols

>>87488289
>They were a nanny state that provided everything for people who couldn't provide for themselves.
By press ganging them into the Wehrmacht.
It's the same thing as Chechnya saying that there are no gay Chechens.
No shit, you killed them all.

There were no unemployed men in Nazi Germany. No shit, because they were in the Wehrmacht

>>87487765
>paywall
>meaning anything

you better fucking believe I'd torrent a car if I could

>>87481254
Alt-right is a media creates label that means nothing

>>87488329
man that barclay is a joker haha what a rascal

>>87488366
Unrelated to the Wehrmacht. Old people weren't conscripted, children weren't conscripted, women weren't conscripted. They were given houses and cars and jobs and welfare generally.
In the military buildup before the war it it was the same way. Literally nothing to do with them not being socialist. They put FDR's stuff to shame. Nazis were the perfect socialists who happened to also want to conquer europe.

DEAD
ON
ARRIVAL

1 season ho

>>87488429
>Nazis were the perfect socialists
Well except for working their cripples and dissidents to death. And devoting every aspect of their economy to war.
Congratulations, you given a job by the state, Mrs. Shickelgruber. Now go work in that in that munitions factory. Eat up, little Hans, you'll be on the front lines by the time you're 16.
Isn't this the perfect socialist state?

Did you know that the DPRK is the perfect democracy? Why, everyone's favourite candidate wins every year!

>>87481177
>"I voted for Hillary"
D R O P P E D

>>87480819
Trump hates black people tho

>>87488592
They didn't devote every aspect of their economy to the war effort til late into the war. They had massive infrastructure buildup and stuff generally even before the camps. They actually had socialist weapon designs so everyone could defend the fatherland with their own personal mass produced rifles and pistols, though that didn't really get set up before the war ended.

>>87480819

Their villains look like blacks, so they're desperate to protect themselves from accusations of racialism - hence the Drumpf Sucks nonsense.

>>87484447
that looks fucking retarded

>“North Korea is in our thoughts as we finish the series,” he says. “What began as a commentary on our own divided nation — in terms of Trump supporters and non-Trump supporters — has blown out to North Korea and how we’re right on the brink. [The U.S. is] actually right at the place where Starfleet finds itself in episode one and we couldn’t have anticipated that happening. But how do you end conflict when both sides have such strong opinions?”

>>87480940
a middle aged meme warrior appears

>>87480928
I don't even know who's Jewing who anymore

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>>87483404
>40+

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>>87480819
what a fucking joke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy1Xq9a1qOI

>>87482916
holy fuck you're retarded. All the previous Star Trek shows would be a nightmare scenario for race baiting left wing fairies.

>>87482235
life in the alpha and beta quadrant comes from one humanoid race

>tng
>the chase, season 6

>>87483506
>Boogeyman.

Like the alt-right?. Stay hypocritical faggot.

>>87480855
They got left out in the sun too long.

>>87489502
suddenly VOYAGER

>>87489741
Migrants from the Alpha and Beta quadrants. They weren't TRULY truly native

>Star Trek has a long history of allegorical commentary, including Deep Space Nine’s “Past Tense” (which tackled the separation of economic classes), Voyager‘s “Workforce” (labor issues)

Workforce is about using literal mind control to create a workforce against their will.
>"labor issues"

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this is why I will watch KINO instead

>>87490236
wait a month or two for the inevitable cancellation

Welp it's over. This is the kill shot. It was a good 51 year run.

>>87480940
>These aliens don't look white enough for me.

>>87490213
"Star Trek is a liberal morality tale" is a meme on the same level as "Kirk fugged all the alien chicks", I bet there's less than 10 episodes in the shows history that truly fit in that category.

>>87480855
accident with power tools

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>>87480819
Why the fuck is it blue?

It's supposed to be a Klingon not a smurf

>>87480819
I told you guys. I warned you that STD was going to be shit.
>But what if it isn't!!
>MAGA = Klingons

sorry not sorry

>>87480855
>all these replies
>no "WE WUZ KLINGS"
Disappointing.

>>87481153
>Klingons are not the enemy
>Klingons and Star Fleet is at war, and it's the central focus of the 15 episodes

>>87480819
What are magapedes?

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>>87481153
TRIGGERED

DELETE THIS

>>87480819
So they shit post and win?

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Why is more easily triggered, /pol/ or SJWs?

I don't think SJW's NECESSARILY go chimp mode if a show stars a white person but it seems to be the case with /pol/ whenever it stars a black regardless of setting

>>87481550
He's a white male
>Very military
>Sometimes does questionable things
>Very different than the other crew members
>We wanted there to be conflict between crew members who have disagreements

it's literally white male boss that the SJW-force will "win over" after he does "bad" things.

>>87480927
what the fugg you talking about?
movie does not equal the series

>>87483774
>>87484570
That a stupid explanation anyways.

I will maintain my head canon that they pissed off a Q like being and he changed their DNA now and forever since that point. Like that dude who erased an entire species in TNG.

>>87491641
Get ready for this scene
>Space-refugees want to enter the Federation
>Captain Malfoy says no. His loyalty is to the Federation as it is
>Spock's Sister says "Don't you have any empathy! "
>Malfoy: Didn't you learn anything emotional control from your Vulcan training?
>Extra Special: If people like you were around 100 years ago, the Federation would never exist

And then at the end of the season, he dies and says "I-I-I was wrong. Love conquers all. You really are the bestest and now also the captain"

>>87481104
9/24

>>87480819
Oh look, another fake article that is /pol/ bait...

>>87480940
I know! I am literally shaking! When will the madness end!!?? Pretty soon, I won't be able to watch anything at all!

>>87491969
Are Trekkies more autistic than Star Wars fags?

>>87481153

>The Klingons are not the enemy

>By 2223, relations had degraded to a point where the Klingon Empire and the Federation were constantly on the verge of war.
>Star Trek Discovery's initial stardate is roughly 2255
>claims to take place ten years before the five year mission, which began in 2250

my head hurts from this stupidity of this show

>>87491395
The article is literally fake news you goofy faggot.

>>87483102
>And the movies and TV series are now unrelated and owned by different companies

Those two companies (CBS & Paramount) are owned by the another parent company, National Amusements. They might be separate but it's all one big family.

>>87480962
but Klingons already looked probably the most alien of all the races in star trek. if that really was their goal they should have turned them into non bipedal aliens. the new once just look like racist 30 caricatures of black people minus the red lips.
just shows what a mess this show is
>>87480819
this show sounds more retarded everyday. full sjw overkill. like that recent evil clown /anti trump propaganda episode of american horror story

>>87493479
>like that recent evil clown /anti trump propaganda episode of american horror story
I'm fairly certain this never happened. But then again, I don't autistically cry over a President being made fun of.

>>87493479
>>87493560
Autistic crying is basically American politics as they exist on the internet. AHS doesn't even count unless you're an autist.

>that one assblasted shill that comes in and screams fake news.

>>87488863
they were basically humanity's romulans at first

>>87493682
>literally a fake article.

>>87493989
>just keep saying it.
>surely vanity fair and entertainment weekly are joking.

>>87493409
It's literally not. It's just old news. This info was assimilated the moment they said the show and it's focus on Federation-Klingon war was to represent the recent divide between the two parties in America at least over a month ago.

>>87493560
>>87493657
there literally were three giant thread about it yesterday with clips of how terrible it was.
lurk more you fucking fags

>>87494357
No, there were like 50 threads in the past 2 days and 90% of the people missed the fucking joke because of their crippling autism.

>>87482954
> Amanda Goodenough
related to John B. Goodenough, inventor of lithium ion and glass electrolyte batteries?

>>87493560
>admitting to having no idea what you're talking about
So basically you're so obsessed with looking contrarian that you'll defend ham-fisted writing

>>87483557
It was by far the worst star trek movie. I would honestly, literally and definitely watch Insurrection tens times in a row rather that watch movie once.

>>87494095
>I'm triggered about unrelated Vanity Fair and Entertainment articles that merely showed screencaps of the show and lightly talked about it.
>being this triggered.

>>87494234
Literally none of that happened you gullible fag.

>>87495109
>this thing in AHS happened.
>but I can't prove it.
>so you don't know what you are talking about.
Go back to rebbit.

>>87494409
Maybe the joke was retarded?

>>87482994
Post scarcity isn't classic socialism, it's where automating everything makes it cheaper to provide free gibs than pay riot police to defend against the hordes of starving unemployed people/

>>87495901
>Cite source.
>noooo that doesn't count you hate star trek drumpkin.

>>87496400
Just saying something is a source, doesn't magically make it a source, kiddo.

>>87496458
have you clicked on ops link? or do you just come into threads to look stupid?

>>87496525
It's literally been explained to death how OP is a faggot and lied about the entire contents of the article, making up quotes that never existed. Did you click it? Since nothing you said is even remotely true of the article.

But we both know this.

>>87496581
going with yes.

>>87496628
Pretending to be retarded only goes sp far, kiddo.

>>87496669
>fake news.
>lel read the article.
>noooo fake fake fake.
sad.