/tpg/ - Twin Peaks General

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Original series: Great, original ideas and magnificent implementation.
The Return: Shit, unoriginal ideas and shit implementation.

>no set design, feels empty and lifeless
>no interesting ideas for storylines and generally bad writing
>relies on gimmicks only instead
>those are unoriginal or just bad, unfortunately ("fuck you, albert", glove, andy and lucy, coordinates, riddles, ...)
>bad acting (Bell, Lynch, Horse, Robertson, Dern, ...)
>dull characters (one-dimensional at best)
>storylines and characters are introduced for no purpose
>everything is supposed to weirdly connect and make sense
>shot in digital in a way that doesn't compensate for the technology's disadvantages (looks bad)
>roadhouse scenes (out of place, badly shot, the songs, the bands, the extras, ...)
>student-tier storytelling/editing (characters are shown walking up complete sets of stairs)
>stretched out needlessly, long takes have no particular effect
>everything above is literally cringe-tier in concept and implementation
>obviously delusional and/or inexperienced fanbase perceiving it as particularly meaningful, complex or "deep"
>can't compare to the original series that doesn't have those problems (coherent/complex and beautiful sets, costumes and make-up/well shot/well acted/well written/magnificent multi-dimensional characters and character relations, music, storylines and gimmicks/creates a unique athmosphere as a result, changing the world of television forever whereas "the return" neither manages to do something established really good nor to invent something new)
>somehow the best thing in tv history

alrite

Annie was the cutest Twin Peaks girl.

>tfw Albert went from a sarcastic jokester character to the monotone dull narrator who explained everything to the dumb bitch, Tammy

>>87422891
t. posted in the live threads and didn't watch the show

>>87422891
please stop posting this ridiculously obvious bait :)

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someone give me a quick rundown on that bullshat finale. was that even cooper?

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>>87422872
>implying he didn't do it already

Most emotional moment in the show for me besides the finale.

>>87422936
>>87422945
You're both wrong and you know it.

>>87422909
was a shame but you could tell he didn't have the strength for it
you can't play that same quippy character when your throat is always on fire

>>87422994

No, cooper never got his mind back. How many fucking times have we been over this.

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>if only Lynch had full creative control, we would have avoided the endless pointless filler and abandoned subplots that go nowhere we had in season two

Apologize.

>>87422994
That was dreamcooper

>>87423004
t. posted in the live threads and didn't watch the show

>>87422945
>>87422994
hahaha FINALE'D

>>87423029
ABC was right

>>87423049
>i have to repeat myself because lol no arguments

>>87422994
coop got poop-duped by diane which made him all grumpy so he went to go fuck up a few cowboys up at judy's but thought the waitress was fugly so he went and found the other waitress and fucked her at her mom's house instead

>>87423056
kek

>>87422891
Does anybody actually read this green wall of shitpost?

>>87423098
You should.

So what does Grooper do next? Go see Cole? Where did Diane go?

>>87422995
didn't that scene end on another "didn't hear you properly lol" joke?
not very emotional

i liked the first two seasons a lot but this season felt very fake

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His dad was definitely his dad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLMrOR1OuXg

>you can hear the sound the giant played to cooper for a split second at 1:12

CAR SICK

>>87423133
Do you want people to argue with you?
You say the acting is bad.
Someone disagrees and says it's good.
So what? Will you change his mind? Will he change yours?
I don't see the point.

>>87423201
just another proof of the judy dimension/reality theory

>>87423029
Season 3 was just a middle finger to ABC. If they never stopped him he would have made this season great, but this was ironically bad to insult them.

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QT!

>>87423029
The best formula was always to only bring Lynch in for the big episodes. 80% of Season 3 will age like the James Leaves Town storyline.

>>87423218
literally retarded

>CAR SEAT
what did he mean by this? yes they were in a car albert

>>87423236
People should rewatch and see through the bullshit and memeing.

>>87423156
>Albert, sometimes I really worry about you

>>87423276
literally retarded

>>87422891
>Being this LYNCHED
http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/filename/1504645415184/

>>87423049
did people actually do this? Absolutely disgraceful

>>87423292
exactly, that line built off the other joke
also felt like a further dig at viewers who would've gotten mad at the french lady

>>87423242
I feel like Lynch did try to make Season 3 a big 'fuck you' to ABC for doubting him, only it backfired because he proved them right. Cooper being trapped as Dougie was the new 'we'll never reveal the killer'. Lynch did it his way, but it didn't work.

>>87423313
No shit he posts this in every thread. Doesn't make his points less valid.

>Coop goes into the Lodge to save Annie, fails and is trapped there for 25 years
>Finally gets out, suddenly cares much more about his secretary

>>87423201
No matter how many times I watch this scene, it scares the shit out of me. That shot of the house is the most horrific thing I've ever seen on twin peaks throughout the original run and FWWM

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>>87423245
imagine if you were sandwiched between 1990 Sheryl and 2017 Sheryl haha that would be the worst

>>87423029

The original Twin Peaks was a once in a lifetime phenomenon. It was one of the few times that Lynch opened up his creative mind to work with other people. Not just Mark Frost, but a whole team of writers, directors, and studio executives. Lynch was forced to make compromises and reign himself in, in order to bring his unique directorial vision to a mass audience.

We'll never see a show like the original Twin Peaks ever again. It was dark and surreal, but also had an innocent charm and humor to it. It was a show about a girl who was raped and murdered, but there were no explicit sex scenes and nobody cussed stronger than the occasional "bitch." Mainstream television today has no interest in having a show with art house sensibilities, and the only place that accepts such shows are subscription based networks that require their shows to meet a quota of graphic sex scenes, violence, and profanity. The Young fucking Pope had CARDINALS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH saying "fuck" and "shit."

Don't get me wrong. I fucking loved The Return. But I went into it expecting Twin Peaks as a David Lynch movie, and that's pretty much what it was.

So what happens to Laura and Coop, after the lights go out? This is assuming that they would even exist at that point.

>>87423349
>Lynch did it his way, but it didn't work.
It worked great what are you on about?
most people here enjoyed dougie by the end and the payoff in part 16 was extraordinary

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>>87423239
Just like the fact that the town of Twin Peaks is 100% identical down to every detail in the "muh dream" right?

>>87422909

>next season
>fuck gene kelly

You're retarded.

>>87423239
>Season 3 will age like the James Leaves Town storyline
>this is what plebs actually believe

>>87423424
The payoff was really amazing, I really don't know how it will feel on a rewatch though, given it was all thrown away anyway

>>87423357
His points would be valid if he defended them with actual arguments but he doesn't even reply.

>>87423370
>coop goes into the lodge to save annie, fails and is trapped there for 25 years
>coop goes into an alternate dimension to save laura, fails and is trapped there for god knows how long
coop just can't catch a break, the poor fella. He needs to stop chasing tail, especially if it keeps leading him into the gates of hell

>>87423438
Besides the Fuck Gene Kelly and Season 2 comments there was hardly any of Albert's typical sarcasm or personality.

>>87423435
i already discussed this with you or another shitposter on the other thread, please fuck off

>>87423402
whatever you want

>>87423321
yes, loads. during the finale too. the guy spamming that pasta was probably one of them.

>>87423424
There was no payoff, you fucking retard. More than half of plots were abandoned and almost nothing was really answered.

>most people here enjoyed dougie
So? Enjoying Dougie doesn't mean we didn't prefer for the real Cooper to come back and some plot progression to take place.

>>87422891
This is unironically true. Twin Peaks literally changed modern storytelling. Twin Peaks: The Return is just Lynch jerking himself off for 18 hours. Nobody is going to care about The Return in a month, but the original run will always be an important part of television history.

>>87423370
Hahaha look at this brainlet actually thinking about the major events of the show. LMAO @ you. LYNCHED. LYNCHED, I say!

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>>87423377
I know man, I had a nightmare about it after watching it. So unsettling

>>87423450
If you don't see the lack of acting, production design and writing/ideas in general, you can't be helped.

>>87423424
>most people here enjoyed dougie
This place is a shithole and everyone is purposefully contrarian. The only reason the retard act was tolerated was because it gave friendless autists reaction images to use as a crutch to play make believe internet friends with.

>>87423475
OH IT'S DARK THAT MEANS IT'S A NEW REALITY

Mar T faggot. Yeah I heard you in the earlier thread, getting all up in my face claiming it's Marty's RR now instead of the Double R owned by Norma. You're wrong. Identical sign. Kill yourself.

>>87423469

Basically everything he says to Gordon is dry sarcasm.

>>87423486
Literally anything important answered.

>muh sick girl
>muh red

get lynched

>>87423469
>>87422909

Time spent giving Albert dialogue or character development is time taken away from Lynch's self-insert.

>>87423402
they both open their eyes, sitting in the lodge

>>87423534
DELET THIS

>>87423449
would still work on a rewatch imo, especially in parts 13-15 where you feel that anticipation all over again
although tbf part of the ride was all the moments where you thought for sure dougie was going to wake up or be found out, like when he's eating the pie or destroys ike.
some moments like the fuscos running the fingerprint check may be funnier in retrospect

>>87423596
>some moments like the fuscos running the fingerprint check may be funnier in retrospect
that scene was fucking hilarious

>>87423525
You aren't being very convincing.

>>87423558
Yeah, what was answered in actuality? And I don't mean you spouting random theories that may or may not be true, I'm talking about real definitive answers. What really was answered?

>>87423469
Apart from pretty much every other line he says.
>APOLOGIES IN ADVANCE FOR ALBERT

>>87423486
the payoff as in cooper coming back in part 16, if you didn't feel anything that episode than get fucked

>>87423197
wow bob wow thats crazy

>>87423534
then fucking leave, no one will miss you

>We live inside a dream
>The ancient story of the dreamer who dreams and lives inside the dream... but who is the dreamer?
>episode 18

i can't stop thinking about these things. someone help

>>87423450
>provides no opposing arguments

>>87423633
Bob is kill, that's all that mattered.

>>87423641
Yeah, nice payoff. Real Cooper appears for like 1 episode in total and then disappears again. What a great fucking payoff.

>>87423615
You don't know much about film. Watch something directed by someone not from america. Or another surrealist filmmaker.

So we can ALL agree that the people arguing that the entire show was a metacommentary and that the Odessa reality is supposed to be the "real" world we all live in are fucking idiots right? They're just as dumb as the "entire series was a dream!!!" crowd.

Bill Hastings talks about meeting Briggs in The Zone to give him coordinates. Him and Ruth go back a couple days later and then they're attacked by some "people" (woodsmen most likely) and then they ask for his wife's name. He then wakes up at home, but Ruth is murdered and Hastings' fingerprints are all over her apartment. She also has a hole in her eye. Phyllis gets shot the same way by Mr. C, so presumably she's working with them, and a woodsman even oversees her visit to the prison. When Gordon and co. visit the zone in ep. 11, the woodsmen are there and it opens a vortex to the place above the convience store/Dutchman's. Briggs says he was "hibernating" there and he needed to travel somewhere else to be safe (White Lodge/giant's place). A couple questions:

>If Judy is the one who calls Mr. C on the phone in episode 2, how did she know he met with Major Briggs? And is Mr. C only concerned because of this call because he isn't familiar with Judy on the other line? Is Mr. C's endgame to stay with BOB?
>How do dreams influence reality in the show?

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>>87423633
Doesn't matter because it never happened. Judy is everything. Twin Peaks is nothing.

>>87423645
Good boy. Get angry at the man saying true things you don't like because they hit way too close to home for your comfort. Pathetic.

>>87423633
Answers? Was there a test I wasn't aware of? If you feel answers are missing you are failing to ask the right questions.

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Who was box?

>>87423692
You clearly don't know much about film if you can't see quality long-form filmmaking at play in the Return. I suggest you reevaluate your views on what makes film "good" because you're clearly too far up your own ass to know.

>>87423641
>Coop comes back in the best way possible and finally some shit is going to happen
>Says 10 lines in 17
>Is a completely different character again in 18
I loved 16, but they fucking ruined that payoff.

>>87423535
>IT'S DARK THAT MEANS IT'S A NEW REALITY
nobody said that, i suppose you can discern day from night still?

>You're wrong. Identical sign Kill yourself.
gas the shitposters asap

>>87423709
The only people who didn't enjoy Dougie/The Return in general are bitches who wanted the series to conform to their expectations of it. Even the jews on reddit liked Dougie for the most part. You should leave, because you're wrong.

>>87423694
Well, since the auteur is such a bumbling fuck up at conveying meaning, no one will ever really know and you'll never get the validation you're so cringe inducingly desperate for.

>>87423525
>still no argument
hahaha

>>87423534
>getting mad at memes
lol

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>>87423534
...friend

>>87423753
Keep on claiming that it's "Marty's RR" in the "new reality pocket dimension Judy's dream" world since that's what non-shitposters apparently do.

>>87423029
I've actually always thought ABC was in the right.

>>87423534
everyone hated dougie at first including reddit
part of what made dougie loveable towards the end was that contrarian element. everyone wanted the original slick cooper back originally while they were stuck with wacky dougie, which became fun_____ when he suddenly started spreading love to those people he interacted with and made hardened LV gangsters more affectionate

>>87423687
DOguie not enough for you?
Mr C not enough for you?
Richard not enough for you?
Kyle is under a lot of stress

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some s3 1080p wall papes

https://a.pomf.cat/wtyeko.zip

i like having the establishing shots of the r&r, roadhouse and the sherriffs dep on rotation

>>87423734
that's donna anon

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alisonwillmore/what-year-is-it?utm_term=.hbl38PLZZ#.an6DPbK22
>Even buzzfeed gets it
what's your excuse?

>>87423740
>I can't detect bad acting
>I can't detect bad ideas

>>87423777
Lynch never wants any easy explanations of his work, so i don't know what the fuck you were expecting

>>87423830
Have a little self-awareness anon. If you agree with Buzzfeed, maybe you are wrong

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Season 3 in a nutshell : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrGrOK8oZG8
Not saying this in a bad way, I've loved this short. But the parallels with TP3 are striking.

>>87423834
>I can't appreciate art.
>I can't explore a work in its broader context now that it's completed.
>I want to feel vindicated for hating a show most people see the genius in.

>>87423775
>it was popular among the autists on our sister site, so you're wrong about me
Your faggot tears nourish me, shut-in.
>>87423802
>saying mean things means you're mad
You voted Hillary, didn't you?

>>87423830
>She didn't get the Sopranos ending

I stopped reading there, she is a brainlet.

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>>87423676
Most epic anime battles 2017

>>87423704
W-WHAAT?

>>87423729
Enlighten me on the "right questions"

>>87423816
Cooper is what everyone here signed up for, not some meaningless characters who appeared and disappeared for no reason.

>>87423777
>hurr fucking durr show me da meaning Dayvid pweease!!!

This is you.

>>87423895
Tony died but it's implied that life went on.

If Cooper is what made Laura scream doesn't that mean he was there all along and just failed to intervene the first time through?

>>87423813
Were you under the impression that I needed someone who types like a black simpleton to give me his impressions on the subject?

>>87423469
>>87423561
>>87423639
miguel ferrer was literally dying of throat cancer
come on now

>>87423775
Dougie was pure reddit, of course they liked it.

>>87423613
exactly
I got supremely lynched there because I assumed they would alert cole with the results, but they just breeze over the whole thing. same with the doctors appointment, you'd think the doctor could see cooper was a completely different person or do some tests on him
it's a bit masochist but over time the constant letdowns and opportunities for dougie to be found out become quite funny the way they aren't acted on, and how nobody questions dougie being a complete tard

>>87423870
fuck off

>>87423818
thank you!

>>87423811
i never said anything about marty either, you're angry and delusional my friend

my reasons were the white horse symbology, stereotypical evil rednecks harassing the innocent waitress for no apparent reason (judy is an misandric old goddess), characters having different names, the RR BEING CLOSED and out of power, and the tremond spirits living in the palmer house

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>>87423402
judging by the sound clip from the pilot of Sarah calling for Laura is played right before the scream, I imagine that it was Laura waking up the morning she would've been found dead. This would mean that when the dream went out, our Cooper ceased to exist because without Laura's death he never goes to Twin Peaks.

>>87423897
I always felt safe when badcoop was around

>>87423694
I don't know how you can think there's only one "true" reality in a show that plays with alternate realities

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https://twitter.com/ABCNetwork/status/905151064084586496

Any ideas regarding Coop's FBI pin? He doesn't have it in the opening scene of the season, then he has it up until he leaves the lodge. It doesn't appear again until after BOB is defeated and it goes dark and he ends up with Diane and Gordon at the Great Northern.

>>87423960
Have you watched it? It's a genius short film even though it's been memed to death. All techniques Lynch used in S3 are there. It's basically the same experience distilled.

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>>87423813
>he didn't love dougie from the very first scene
I was laughing my ass off at pic related.

>>87423856
You're implying that there is an explanation. There isn't.
>>87423912
See above.


>when redditors try and argue with trips to preserve the idea that they're part of a special clique who "gets it" when there's nothing to "get"

>>87423974
Is it the exact same clip? I don't have ep 1 downloaded to compare.

>>87423741
fair, the jolliness in part 16 was immediate gone in the finale

>>87423941
This. As much as he had some enjoyable skin, you had to break your suspension of disbelief every time he was on screen, not to mention that 95% of his scenes were pure filler with no real plot progression.

>>87423995
>people will believe this is real without clicking the link

>>87423995
hahaha so much salt

>>87423897
>Cooper is what everyone here signed up for
only if you're a nostalgic old fart. Cooper coming back too early would've made the entire season redundant, especially given that he had 25 years in the lodge to prepare with the giant/mike/the arm for guidance. Not only did Kyle get to flex his acting skills and demonstrate his versatility by playing three/four characters, but portrayed one of the most likeable little autists on television this year without even speaking in full sentences.

>>87423991
There are def multiple realities but it seems like lots of people think the entire first 17 episodes are someones muh dream

>>87423967
You said you refuted my claim that the Double R is unchanged some threads ago. The only time this has happened is a faggot saying that it's now Marty's RR. Therefore, you are the one taking credit for your "awesome Marty's RR" theory and also therefore a retard.

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K I N O

>>87423926
Probably. Or her vanishing from his hand meant that she still was forced back onto fate's path, with our Cooper being displaced to a new timeline/dream.

>no set design, feels empty and lifeless
>no interesting ideas for storylines and generally bad writing
>relies on gimmicks only instead
>those are unoriginal or just bad, unfortunately ("fuck you, albert", glove, andy and lucy, coordinates, riddles, ...)
>bad acting (Bell, Lynch, Horse, Robertson, Dern, ...)
>dull characters (one-dimensional at best)
>storylines and characters are introduced for no purpose
>everything is supposed to weirdly connect and make sense
>shot in digital in a way that doesn't compensate for the technology's disadvantages (looks bad)
>roadhouse scenes (out of place, badly shot, the songs, the bands, the extras, ...)
>student-tier storytelling/editing (characters are shown walking up complete sets of stairs)
>stretched out needlessly, long takes have no particular effect
>everything above is literally cringe-tier in concept and implementation
>obviously delusional and/or inexperienced fanbase perceiving it as particularly meaningful, complex or "deep"
>can't compare to the original series that doesn't have those problems (coherent/complex and beautiful sets, costumes and make-up/well shot/well acted/well written/magnificent multi-dimensional characters and character relations, music, storylines and gimmicks/creates a unique athmosphere as a result, changing the world of television forever whereas "the return" neither manages to do something established really good nor to invent something new)
>somehow the best thing in tv history

>>87423931
fuck you sure showed me

>>87424021
Lynch definitely has the explanation. Just because you're too dumb to enjoy coming up with your own doesn't mean we are.

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Now that the dust has settled, was it CUTEkino?

>>87423967
>out of power
>neon sign is lit up and fully functional
wow tard wow

>>87424018
>>87423870
care to explain what you mean? I'm interested.

>>87424093
You showed yourself. Try communicating like a real boy in the future.

>>87424061
>the gun is the same type the PA uses on Chantel
It's not at fucking all

>>87423818
Fuck yes thank you.

>>87424097
Sheryl is cute. She was always cute.

>Think so? But people saw Bob.People saw him in visions: Laura, Maddy, Sarah Palmer.
>Well, I've lived in these old woods most of my life. I've seen some strange things but this is way off the map. I'm having a hard time believing.
>Harry, is it easier to believe a man would rape and murder his own daughter? Any more comforting? No.

i always found this dialogue weird because considering that harry introduced coop to the Bookhouse boys he was the skeptic in this scene. but rewatching now i think cooper "is it more comforting" line is directed at us viewers. i know many fans people see leland as without agency and 100% possessed but in FWWM i saw a different picture, and somehow i think that was reinforced in the return. i even saw some people here theorize that even in a bob-less universe/reality, the real tragedy is that a father raping his daughter is still plausible and laura may still be a victim. what do you guys think?

Original series: Great, original ideas and magnificent implementation.
The Return: Shit, unoriginal ideas and shit implementation.

>no set design, feels empty and lifeless
>no interesting ideas for storylines and generally bad writing
>relies on gimmicks only instead
>those are unoriginal or just bad, unfortunately ("fuck you, albert", glove, andy and lucy, coordinates, riddles, ...)
>bad acting (Bell, Lynch, Horse, Robertson, Dern, ...)
>dull characters (one-dimensional at best)
>storylines and characters are introduced for no purpose
>everything is supposed to weirdly connect and make sense
>shot in digital in a way that doesn't compensate for the technology's disadvantages (looks bad)
>roadhouse scenes (out of place, badly shot, the songs, the bands, the extras, ...)
>student-tier storytelling/editing (characters are shown walking up complete sets of stairs)
>stretched out needlessly, long takes have no particular effect
>everything above is literally cringe-tier in concept and implementation
>obviously delusional and/or inexperienced fanbase perceiving it as particularly meaningful, complex or "deep"
>can't compare to the original series that doesn't have those problems (coherent/complex and beautiful sets, costumes and make-up/well shot/well acted/well written/magnificent multi-dimensional characters and character relations, music, storylines and gimmicks/creates a unique athmosphere as a result, changing the world of television forever whereas "the return" neither manages to do something established really good nor to invent something new
>somehow the best thing in tv history

>Everyone just wants to discuss the best show of the last decade but there's one roach who didn't get it trying to start arguments because he feels alienated by the fact that he's the odd one out.
Love when that happens

>>87423897
>Enlighten me on the "right questions"
I'm just saying it's pointless to be disappointed that all the plot lines of S3 have no resolution. They were all mini narratives fueled by unresolved conflicts banging around in Coop's dreaming subconscious. They all "mean" something insofar as they reflect Coop's mental state. However, they don't mean much when taken as vital narrative plot points in a conventional narrative structure. Don't ask how Red learned magic tricks and why he does them. Ask why Coop fears such a dangerous adversary.

>>87424060
i said LAST thread you moron, i got here last fucking thread

i'm >>87422574 and >>87422993

i agreed with the poster you replied, and then you became hostile and autistic out of nowhere in this thread

>>87424054
You telling me that when you started watching The Return you were excepting a mindless buffoon as the main character? Yeah, I don't believe that. Him being likeable doesn't excuse the fact that his character was pure filler. And if 18 episodes were too much to tell the story, then Lynch should have taken the original deal of 8 episodes. Then it wouldn't feel redundant at all and every episode wouldn't have mandatory 30 minutes of sweeping floors and Roadhouse singers.

>>87424164
>I will share the opinion of the majority because most people are smart

>>87424059
Yeah I disagree with that interpretation. FWIW Kyle thinks characters like the Mitchums Bros, The New Dougie etc are still fine. I don't think his views are anymore right than others though.

What is going on with arms / legs going numb or not working?
What is going on with the diseased / infected?
When and why was there the glass box being observed?

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>>87423377
Vedderchecked

>>87423931
Jesus. You sound like an asshole.

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>trying to sleep
>picture Laura screaming in my head
>get spooked
>suddenly notice I can hear the static from the tv
>imagine blue monkey and ELEEECTRICITTTY
>think I'm going to wake up in a dream
>can't sleep now
>oh shit

When Windom Earl has Leo captive he has a big monologue about the lodges and says:
"And if harnessed, these spirits in this hidden land of unmuffled screams and broken hearts would offer up a power so vast that its bearer might reorder the Earth itself to his liking."


found it on reddit

Just want to take time to appreciate that this has been the most rewatchable show I've ever seen. Every time I rewatch an episode I catch something I missed before. Bravo Lynch

>>87424099
still partially powered with dark interior/closed

>>87423734
The answer to every single question is "it didn't matter because it was a dream"
Sometimes random shit happens in dreams that makes no sense and that was one of them

>>87424199
The majority of Lynch fans are smarter than the majority of Lynch haters. Go watch GoT and Walking Dead

>>87422872
fuck, I knew a lot of the actors were dead, but I had no idea he was while watching it. damn, he was great.

>>87424199
Most people on /tv/ are actually smart if you haven't noticed already.

>>87424161
you know when bob-leland comes up to coop in the lodge at the end of season 2 and he says
>I never killed anyone
well, I'm starting to think that bob never killed anyone...

The Return would have been great if it was just episode 1, 2, 17, and 18.

>>87424258
How convenient

>>87424094
>Lynch definitely has the explanation.
Prove it.
>Just because you're too dumb to enjoy coming up with your own
It's his job as the auteur to convey it, not mine as the viewer to fill in the blanks for him because he wasn't skilled enough to do it or couldn't decide what it should be. You drank the postmodernist koolaid and don't realize how it has twisted you into defending hacks who refuse to do the one job they have as artists.

>>87424199
found the roach

>>87424281
>implying Twin Peaks: The Return isn't on the same level as GoT or Walking Dead

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>>87424249
I haven't had a good night's sleep since the finale. I keep seeing the face and hearing the scream.

That whole last scene is some of the best building of dread and release I've seen in a movie. It's definitely the scariest thing Lynch has committed to film IMO, Inland Empire scares included.

>>87424281
S3 fans != Lynch fans. And S3 fans are obviously stupid and/or not well versed in film.

>>87424180
You still subscribe to the "it's all in coops head" theory? Fucking nonsense. Go back to neogaf with that trash.

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>>87424283

>>87424216
>What is going on with arms / legs going numb or not working?

your brain shuts down parts of the body when lodge shit is going down.

>What is going on with the diseased / infected?

I think to show the sickness of the town how the drug probably really got out of hand.

>When and why was there the glass box being observed?
was an experiment to conjure the experiment. Which happened when the two had sex in front of the box. Things happen in this show regarding sexuality. Its like a spell just as a few of the poems throughout are spells.

>>87423469
fruitcake, anyone?

>>87423341
process is more satisfying than outcome, seems like prevalent theme in the Return.

just report the obvious shitposters for fuck's sake

by now this threads should be exclusively for autistic lore hunting like i'm doing it

>>87424161
>ctrl+f rape
>2 matches
wtf happened to these threads

>>87424309
How so mr. very smart? Twin peaks : the return is avant-garde and to deep for you to understand.

>>87424232
You sound like someone who will spend the rest of his life suffering fools because you think there will be a payoff.

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Friendly reminder that it's been confirmed that Eddie Vedder's Out of Sand proved Vedderposters right. (Pic is evil Cooper)
Listenhttps://youtu.be/pXth84G7dkM

>>87424251

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRz3deg1crY

>>87424318
S3 fans are the last bastion of good taste in film/television. Everyone else is just delusional or stupid. I'm guessing you're both.

>>87424302
Jesus Christ, you are legitimately retarded.

>>87422891
Only correct opinion. Also: S1 > S2 > FWWM > S3

>>87424059
So we shouldn't take the "we live inside a dream" theme literally? How else can it be understood when Cooper says it while all the action on screen is literally framed within his superimposed head? If it doesn't mean it's happening in his mind then what else does it mean?

>>87424281
Are you going to repeat this tired reply in every thread?

>/tpg/ has turned into a festering shithole

Welp, it was fun while it lasted.

>>87424164
this happens every time on /tv/

>show or movie is positively received
>a few people don't like it and are mad others do
>so they shitpost and spam all the threads so it looks like they're not a small majority
>polls come out
>they're all positive

every time

>>87424184
Martyfags are the 2003fags we have to fight now. There can be no mercy.

Will Mr. C theme be on the soundtrack, i felt that song alone destroyed half of the roadhouse acts

>>87424391
Pahahahahahaha. Avant-garde amirite? Go watch some more surrealist filmmakers.

>>87424404
You knew this is how it would turn out once the finale aired.

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>>87424357

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Friendly reminder that it's been confirmed that Vedderposters were right. (Pic is evil Cooper)
Listen: https://youtu.be/pXth84G7dkM

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What was this about? What was the source of their problem?

>>87424107
Exaggerated number of characters who are quickly introduced to never to come back
Some absurd characters who are there only as a one off joke (Wally / Smarf)
Exaggerated genre and tonal shift alternating between comedy and grisly murder
Several sequences that are inserted to feel out of place and make the viewer wonder what he's watching
Unconventional editing (shots and sequences that are purposefully kept too long)
Awkward effects with sinister undertones to reinforce the disconnect the viewer is feeling
Pessimistic out of nowhere ending before ending on a somewhat more positive note

>>87424392
Not an argument. If your next post doesn't include substantial proof that Lynch has an explanation and hasn't been throwing spaghetti at the wall, then I win. You have 3 minutes.

>>87424366
You sound like a dickhead. Waheeey

>>87424405
>feels good to have the opinion of the majority. I finally can feel better about myself

Overall I am both satisfied and not satisfied with S3 and I think that's precisely what Lynched planned.

At times it is painfully obvious he's just fucking around with audience expectations but in the end it all somehow adds up in a dream-logic way, which is Lynch's entire shtick.

>>87424302
He does convey meaning. He gives just enough for sincere interpretation while making sure that you second guess yourself. Thats masterful.

>MUH DEEP ART BULLSHIT
>Dude interpret it yourself LMAO
>literally just random shit thrown together that pretends to be deep
Lynch is a lazy hack who can't even do his one job as an artist. Surreal art and abstract art is made by talentless, lazy people. If you like season 3 , Lynch or surrealism in general, you should kill yourself or get better taste and admit it's garbage.

>>87424197
I wasn't expecting anything, but I was certainly very pleased with what I got with dougie. call his character "filler" all you want, to me it was a way of harkening back to the comfy/wacky/heartwarming tone of the original series without it feeling like a rehash.

>every episode wouldn't have mandatory 30 minutes of sweeping floors and Roadhouse singers.
tone down the hyperbole and you might have a point, but I genuinely believe the musical acts was lynch using showtime money to promote and give airtime to artists he felt deserved more attention, which is a brilliant use of his platform in my eyes.

>>87424404
>implying the reddit spaced circlejerk it was before wasn't a shithole

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>>87424440
>Pessimistic out of nowhere ending before ending on a somewhat more positive note
Only thing I don't agree with, as the majority of episode 18 was pretty moody and downbeat, but this isn't a half bad comparison.

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>>87424449
>everyone else is wrong, only my opinion is the correct one

>>87424430
Lol ur mad

>>87424253
Usually it's totally rocking at 2:53 am though as a 24-hour diner staffed by 3 people.

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>>87424443
>Not an argument.
You're right it's not an argument because it's a stone cold fact.

And I'm not even that poster you dumbass.

>>87424460
Nah. S3 sucks but all modern art movements have really good stuff to offer. Including surrealist film and most works of Lynch.

janitors on /tv/ are fucking slow

>>87424454
A half measure isn't a measure. It's a half measure.

>>87424449
The majority on people that watched all 18 eps of S3=/=the majority of the worlds population

"Oh by the way Albert, I forgot to tell you but myself, Coop and Briggs made a vague plan to stop an ancient evil and we've been working on it offscreen since 1989"

Brilliant storytelling

>>87423534

>Redditard who constantly needs to be pandered to by TV to feel validated.

What's the matter? Were you sitting there with your smartphone, poised to make a big
fake "reaction tweet" for a moment that never came? Never got to ride that retweet wave
to fake momentary popularity?

Go watch GoT. They write it specifically for tards who watch TV with all their social
media apps open, ready to broadcast their every brainfart.

BTFO by Dougie.

>>87424495
Sad but true. There are a few others not buying into obvious bullshit, though.

>>87424498
You are uneducated.

>>87423897
Sometimes my arms bend back

>>87424512
Nah, it's all garbage made by hacks who don't actually want to put thought into their work, so they lazy slap shit together and pretend it's deep. Stop defending it, these cunts should be called out for it.

>>87424465

I think that the point of the Roadhouse scene was to establish a certain kind of mood where we (the audience) are watching a performance.
It's good for ending each episode in a brain-relaxing way and the whole thing also served to anticipate the Audrey "twist" ending with her coma or whatever.
It also goes well with the notion that the "world" of Twin Peaks is somehow a layered and malleable dream full of weird characters, but also has a certain sense of style to it.

I think the whole Richard-Linda part of episode 18 takes place after the first episode, then Laura wakes up and Cooper goes on his journey back and meets Diane again, who helps him get back to the world as Dougie. The actual ending is episode 17.

Prove me wrong.

>>87424546
i was talking about you retard

>>87423734
Jeffries

>>87424282
he was dead before premiere

If Cooper becomes his evil rape baby in the rewritten reality, who was Linda in the original reality?

>>87424512
he's your fellow shitposter, just replying in the same way to flame people without arguing anything, i'm disappointed you two can't come to terms

>>87424440
Wally is a character returning home and moving on with life. This is something Cooper is not capable of doing. Every scene is meaningful.

>>87424546
It really comes down to taste, and in this case if you didn't like s3 you OBJECTIVELY have bad taste. Sorry mate. We can't all be intellectuals.

>>87424564
You clearly have no idea. Buy an art history book.

>>87424097
What did they eat on their way to Twin Peaks and did they talk about anything while they were eating or did they just sit in silence?

>>87424460
>Surreal art and abstract art is made by talentless, lazy people
Surrealism and abstract are are not nonsense, anon. A lot of the shit that is passed for surrealism and abstract art is indeed fake lazy shit, but not all of it is, and this mostly isn't. Learn to tell the difference.

>>87424511
>hurr durr you're a retard
>i get to say that cause i say it's a fact!
Try that retarded approach in the real world.

>>87424594
For real. This clown never hear of Francis Bacon?

>>87424298
dude, I guess it's like, too deep for you man

>>87424625
Not the best example.

>>87424440
>Pessimistic out of nowhere ending before ending on a somewhat more positive note
don't forget the concept of a character creating a reset to undo the tragedy and the very last frame with the whole "killer possess the lovable main family man" i'm pretty sure there are a lot of more details one can compare

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>Nadine gets super strength
Boo!!! Season 2 is shit! This is just ridiculous and absurd! Who wrote this garbage!?!?

>Cooper wakes up as a severely autistic man in Las Vegas, and spends the vast majority of season 3 stumbling around barely capable of communication
It's so beautiful!!! Thank you Mr. Lynch!!! Thank you for Dougie!! I will treasure this experience always!!!

>>87424439
kek, that part made me laugh real hard.

all the las vegas characters were amazing

>jade
>bushnell
>pissfu
>sinclair
>that intern guy who baits dougie with the coffee every ep
>janey
>fuscos
>WILSON!
>mitchum bros
>candie
>ike the spike


all these characters are prime spin off material

>>87424635
Got a better one?? He's one of Lynch's favorite artists.

>>87424542
>accusing others of being redditards
>reddit spaces his post
Sorry you got so emotionally affected when I painted a portrait of what you consider the only meaningful socialization in your life, kid.

>>87424110
ahaha you wot
what's wrong with adding some expression to the way I write?

>>87424644
>implying super strength nadine wasn't kino
it was pleb filter desu

>>87424294
That was Leland's doppelgänger. It was a cruel joke that the sinister doppelgänger of Leland was innocent because Leland himself had done the crimes himself.

>>87424590
>We can't all be intellectuals.
Wow. Let me repeat: Twin Peaks: The Return is literally on the same level as Game of Thrones and The Walking Dead. You are not an intellectual for liking it.

>>87424572
I don't think you're far off, I'm still trying to unpack this all but I think the laura he meets in episode 2 in the lodge is Carrie. I think she's even trying to tell him but time is all wonky he doesn't realize its her.

I miss the old /tpg/ where people used to only joke about being lynched and weren't so asspained

>>87424644
I feel like you're being sarcastic but I don't see what the problem is. The strong nadine plotline is garbage. dougie is as kino as they come

>>87424677
>he fell for the reddit spacing meme

>>87424696
Yes. You are. You're an anti-intellectual mongoloid if you dislike it.

>>87424719
Buzzfeed and reddit like it too senpai. You're not part of some exclusive club

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The only winner in Season 3 was the man with the wisdom to not participate in it.

>>87424678
>lack of capitalization, punctuation and proper formatting is "adding some expression"
This is what happens to a generation that receives merit trophies.

>>87424681
>We'll never get a nadine weilding a golden shovel and one punch lad crime fighting spin off.

>>87424711
the shitposter is michael j anderson you know? that's the only possible reason one could be so dedicated and arrogant at the same time

>>87423029
>dude for season 2 reveal the killer 9 episodes in and leave the remaining 12 episodes with pointless uninteresting filler story arcs that literally go nowhere aside from the main plot lmao
Nah fuck them in the ass.

>>87424743
It is I Ip tracked him. Let's ignore him

>no set design, feels empty and lifeless
>no interesting ideas for storylines and generally bad writing
>relies on gimmicks only instead
>those are unoriginal or just bad, unfortunately ("fuck you, albert", glove, andy and lucy, coordinates, riddles, ...)
>bad acting (Bell, Lynch, Horse, Robertson, Dern, ...)
>dull characters (one-dimensional at best)
>storylines and characters are introduced for no purpose
>everything is supposed to weirdly connect and make sense
>shot in digital in a way that doesn't compensate for the technology's disadvantages (looks bad)
>roadhouse scenes (out of place, badly shot, the songs, the bands, the extras, ...)
>student-tier storytelling/editing (characters are shown walking up complete sets of stairs)
>stretched out needlessly, long takes have no particular effect
>everything above is literally cringe-tier in concept and implementation
>obviously delusional and/or inexperienced fanbase perceiving it as particularly meaningful, complex or "deep"
>can't compare to the original series that doesn't have those problems (coherent/complex and beautiful sets, costumes and make-up/well shot/well acted/well written/magnificent multi-dimensional characters and character relations, music, storylines and gimmicks/creates a unique athmosphere as a result, changing the world of television forever whereas "the return" neither manages to do something established really good nor to invent something new)
>somehow the best thing in tv history

>>87424718
>everything that indicts me is a meme

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>>87424595
Cooper got to eat some more Black Lodge Pussy (BLP)

>>87424734
He was smart to take the script and.....?

I'm still thinking about the last moments of the show. Why did sarah call from within the house?

>>87424711
>tfw no frenlo/jumpingman poster
>tfw no judyposting
>tfw no dougieposting
/tpg/ really has gone down the shit. All we have left is greentext wall guy and someone still making vedder posts

>>87423377
I was literally shaking once it faded to black, fucking Lynch turned me into a tumblrite.

>>87424615
I call it like I see it, you're being a retard, and you're only continuing to prove me right by whining about it.
>Try that retarded approach in the real world.
This is something a basement dweller would say to make themselves feel better about posting from their mother's basement.

>>87424366

You're a fucking dork. Holy shit. Sort your life out, I get this is 4chan and nobody will care but you know its all fucked up and something went wrong along the way.

>>87424326
I honestly think 1-17 are coop's dream. It makes perfect sense to me. In season one he was outside the lodge and dreamt of going there. In season 2 he went to the lodge. In season 3 he is trapped in the lodge and dreaming of leaving.

>>87424787
I unironically felt like I'd been hit by a truck.

Can anybody actually tell me why they consider Twin Peaks : The Return is good? Most of the reactions here seem to be that it confused you so you thought it was good, if that's the reason then that's kinda sad.

Let list thing with no payoff :

- Dr Amp's ramblings
- Shelley's daughter and her boyfriend's garbage druggie relationship nonsense
- Red
- Gordon's entire investigation
- Tammy
- the totality of Diane's character
- guy with the glass box in NY

any more?

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>>87424783
Hahaha you'll see...

>>87424664
>He's one of Lynch's favorite artists.
No wonder he's so shit then

>>87424737
>capitalisation
>punctuation
>proper formatting
you just fucked all three in your first line
there's no set format for posting on 4chan bub

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>>87424783
One of the vedderposters here. I'm leaving the threads now. Too much shit for me. It's been a fun ride though. Bye friends.

https://ozba.wordpress.com/2017/08/31/twin-peaks-audrey-billy-and-living-inside-a-dream/

kino

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>>87424326
>"it's all in coops head" theory is wrong
It's right there in the show
There's coopers head
and everything happening is inside it
You can't get any more obvious that that, they basically beat you over the head with it.

>>87424800
There isn't enough evidence to say it's just his dream. Perhaps it's an alternate reality created in some way by his time in the lodge but it's more than a dream that didn't actually happen.

>>87422891
Unironically this. Sorry Lynch.

>>87424793
>pointing out why you fail at argumentation is whining
>hurr durr you're a basement dweller for making sure i don't make stupid mistakes like i just made in a non-anonymous environment
No more attention for you, dunce.

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>>87424783

>spend 16 episodes being dumb and obtuse as possible
>ITS KINO 10/10
>episode 17 turns into a cartoon and points out how dumb and obtuse it all was
>ITS KINO 10/10
??????????????????????????

>>87424734
"Guys, I can't wait to return as Sheriff Truman! Does anyone know where to find a good coat?"
>shortly thereafter
"I've decided to stay retired. I will not be appearing in Twin Peaks: The Return"

What happened here, lads? It still doesn't make sense.

>>87424835
Don't take it at face value. Lynch is an old dog, he's not that dumb.

>>87424817
LYNCHED

>>87424644
Nadine always had super strength, she broke her drape runner or some shit in one of her first appearances.

>>87424868
Nice.

>>87424817
The show may or may not be shit, it may or may not have explanations, but it excels at making you feel things. That's why it's good.

>>87424818
The entire show

>>87424868
this

If they continue with a fourth Season then Return was not shit. But if they do not, it really sucks a lot of the enjoyment I had out of the show.
I, at first, was very pleased with the direction that Lynch was taking with Twin Peaks. It felt like he was combining the camp of the original with the surreal nature of his other works. The way he was introducing plots and then explaining them along the way was really exciting. Because he introduced everything with that air of surreality, it made the connections so much more enjoyable. Ex: South Dakota connected with Major Briggs and Twin Peaks.
But honestly the last episode was just terrible if it doesn't get continued. There's more than a fuckton of plots Lynch didn't bother closing. It felt like Season 2 cliffhanger all over again, except this time people are loving it because the rest of Returns was pretty great.

>>87424818
I really think they discovery wrote the show then tacked on the two and a half last episodes to resolve what became the main plot thread but never went back and pruned what didn't pan out (they just said "fuck it, those parts were still interesting, let's keep them).

>>87424857
He read the script and is equipped with a brain.

>>87424796
>You're a fucking dork
>>87424446
>You sound like a dickhead.

>DUDE I CALLED YOU A NAME LMAO XD
You both suck at this.

>>87424857
He read the script and wasn't desperate like all the other returners.

>>87424857
He knew it would be complete shit.

>>87424880
He's right though

How many of the actors are going to defend the ending and how many are going to be LYNCHED like Julee Cruise?

Kyle, Laura Dern, and Sheryl Lee are clearly Lynch loyalists who will defend anything he does. Sherilyn Fenn knew she didn't have anymore scenes after waking up so she probably predicted that whatever the ending was, it was going to be dark as fuck. The actors exclusive to the Return probably don't give a fuck and are just happy to work in a Lynch project.

I don't know how the rest of them will feel, though.

>>87424857
Lynch didn't want him back. It's like when Loggia was pissed that Hopper got the roll of Booth. Lynch is a psychopath who pits actors against one another.

>>87424891
>It felt like Season 2 cliffhanger all over again,
and that's why it was great

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>>87424827
Doppelganger

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>people claiming all the plots were tied up nicely
They literally never happened. Some version of Cooper is now stuck with a fucked up version of Laura in some alien timeline.

>>87424644

>Nadine gets super strength
Boo!!! Season 2 is shit! This is just ridiculous and absurd! Who wrote this garbage!?!?

>random brit shows up with a green glove and defeats BOB by punching him a couple of times

It's so beautiful!!! Thank you Mr. Lynch!!! Thank you for one-punch lad, the absolute madman!! I will treasure this experience always!!!

>>87424849
>No more attention for you, dunce.
>gives me more attention by responding to me
And you deny that you're an idiot? Really? If you wanted to give me no more attention, you just wouldn't have responded to me.

>>87424818
Only one I agree with is Red.

Dr. Amp got Norma and Ed back together
Becky and steven's retarded relationship brought us shelly and bobby together.
Gordon's investigation was some of the most enjoyable scenes in the show. Most if not all were hilarious and entertaining.
Diane gave us Wilson and angry FBI man and verified proof of tulpas in the TP world.
Glass box was just kino, but we at least got a peak at some of evil coops motivations.

>>87424902
Haha made you reply, you suffered a fool

>>87424866
It's literally impossible to tell if some parts are artistic license or dementia. At his age it isn't rare for some parts of the brain to go. I liked season 3, but I'd feel more at ease it really was all on purpose.

>>87424882
Why does that make it good? There are other shows/movies that do the same thing and in a way less sloppy manner.

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>>87424955
Hahaha
LYNCHED
Y
N
C
H
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Is a fourth season likely at all?

>>87424933
Elaborate

>>87424589
Thank you for this reading of Wally B. Seeing him as a foil for Coop's frustrated stasis makes perfect sense.

>>87424817
>gorgeous cinematography
>many of the new characters are superior than those from the original run (mitchum brothers, dougie, fuscoe boys, candy, etc.)
>ambiguous and open-ended, yet still providing enough plot developments to encourage discussion and reinterpretation
>nothing like episode 8 on tv
>peppered with moments of classic lynchian style, blending the grotesque, the banal and the hilarious
>the most devastating and unsettling conclusion you'll ever see

>>87424825
>he doesn't understand that greentext isn't held to the same standards as normal text
>pretends there's any excuse for typing like a nigger on a site for white people
>bub
You need to be lurking, not posting.

>>87424818
>Dr Amp's ramblings
The very definition of rambling is that it doesn't have a pay off.
>Shelley's daughter and her boyfriend's garbage druggie relationship nonsense
He shot her and then himself
>- Red
He's a drug dealer that Shelly fell for, just like She did for Bobby int the original, that's his entire purpose.
>- Gordon's entire investigation
Finding Cooper? He did that
>- Tammy
She's just a tag along for Gordon, what's missing?

>>87424882
1-16 was genuinely beautiful television and possibly one of the last good things we're ever going to see on the medium
17 was subversive modern art garbage where making something stupid on porpouse and shitting on the past 16 hours and the audience for caring is somehow genious
If Bob were defeated in a crazy capeshit fight by joke characters during season 2 after dropping every single plotline, people would legitimately call it garbage and they would be right

>>87424978
Because Twin Peaks does a better job at it than the rest.

>>87424911
How? Actually explain yourselves for once instead of just suck each other's dicks in Lynch worship.

>>87424987
Depends on Final Dossier, but I'd say no.

>>87424974
>made you
It's cute how hard you have to try to pretend you're not completely impotent, kid.

>>87424995
>>many of the new characters are superior than those from the original run (mitchum brothers, dougie, fuscoe boys, candy, etc.)
How to spot somebody that doesn't actually like Twin Peaks

>>87424974
>Haha
>>87424979
>Hahaha
Who let the retarded teenage girl in?

>>87424856
it's true though

>Bob's orb has the fighting skills of a cat.

What did they mean by that?

>>87425020
No. You wouldn't understand anyhow.

Daily reminder that this is the FINAL explanation :

https://ozba.wordpress.com/2017/08/31/twin-peaks-audrey-billy-and-living-inside-a-dream/

>>87424818
Box in Buenos Aires
Hawks investigations / him seeing the curtains in episode 1
The guy Andy was supposed to meet
James in the basement of the Great Northern

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>>87425064
*retarded teenage girls
Haha

>>87425049
Why not? I like twin peaks. I don't like dick tremayne or billy zane. sue me

>>87424817
It was fun, incredibly rewatchable. Plenty of mystery to uncover, similar to Dark Souls were the story itself is a puzzle. Neat story telling style of various character story arcs loosely connecting together tied to two twisted murder mysteries.

The dry humor was great, mesmerizing to watch and each episode had me craving more.

I enjoyed it a lot to be honest.

>>87424677

Name a good show then.

You are also on 4chan. So don't get too cocky about "meaningful socialization".

>>87424999
>he doesn't understand that greentext isn't held to the same standards as normal text
which is proper formatting for 4chan, where most posters don't autistically follow grammar rules, see
>>87425011
>>87425015
>>87425049
>>87424989
and where are you getting this nigger shit from, I live in Australia frenlo
>bub
just trying to get a rise out of you :^)

>>87424817
It's innovative and courageous. You can see that it's a personal vision that made it to the screen and hasn't been focussed grouped to death. There are wonky parts, but there are a lot of good parts too. I liked it because it surprised me more than a few times, even though they weren't always pleasant surprised. I don't watch a lot of TV but I do feel jaded about a lot of standard and calculated storytelling. This wasn't perfect, but it felt fresh to me.

>>87423931
Your writing style is wordy and pretentious. Get real

>>87425086
It's so off it's sickening. There's no real world. Fuck that.

>>87425102
>it's OK because I'm not the only one
Figures it's mobilecancer.

>>87425015
This. People go after Season 2 relentlessly for everything silly or cartoony it does, but that Cockney boxing Bob scene is the worst of all.

>>87424560
This whole scene is my favourite from all of The Return, it is so emotionally affecting to me and I'm not quite sure why.

>>87423089
>reddit theory bullshit