/tpg/ - Twin Peaks General

First for MIKE is the real winner of The Return

>>87358489
Doppelgangers don't remember faces or why did Mr. C think at first that he met Harry?

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I'M IN YOUR THREAD NOW

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I did think 2 timelines was the credible explanation for Cooper's last scene.

>Coop gets sent back to save Laura
>Laura is saved by Coop and taken away from inevitable death
>Timeline is saved
- life continues as normal
- Sarah Palmer's demon stuck in human form
>But older Coop and Texan Laura are now stuck in the timeline they were in initially

Fellas
We getting season 4?
Also recommend some good lynchian stuff for me to watch

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friendly reminder that doppelcoop did nothing wrong and Cooper was the real fuck-up the entire time

>>87358526
The only losers are normies and Showtime CEO.

>>87358531
Because 25 years had passed and the guy's name was still Sheriff Truman?

Plus brothers look alike.

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let's talk about Judy

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Defend this.

>>87358586
Can't complain, I like seeing Pete happy.

>>87358551
>the timeline they were in initially
But they weren't in that timeline initially. They crossed over to it.

>>87358489
So can we consider the events of S1, 2 and 3 outside of the lodge and before Episode 18 retconed?

>>87358586
im just happy Pete went fishing.

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Texas Sheryl is cute, CUTE!

>>87358586
gives me feels

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>series ends with a scream echoing in darkness
>morons think they can interpret a happy ending out of it
Coop fucked up COSMICALLY, face it

>>87358555
Mullholand Drive is his best film. Lost Highway is good too. Inland Empire is worse but it will remind you a lot of the weird parts of the Return.

>>87358586
Apart from the big log, I think it looks pretty good desu

>>87358549
Prove it

>>87358629
Yes, worded it wrong but that is what I meant.

>Crossed over.
>Saved Laura and sealed their and her future.
>Trapped in the timeline.

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>>87358643
Sheryl is always CUTE!

>>87358627
I'm talking about how bad the digital looks compared to the original film, and how they have to filter, color grade, and crop the original to match the abysmal digital at the bottom.

>>87358672
>no fourth option for "it was a'ight"

>>87358694
Seem them all already.
I mean lynchian style and inspired films.

>>87358551
>Laura is saved by Coop and taken away from inevitable death
Sarah prevents that from happening by taking away Laura at the forest.

>>87358685
>people think it was a happy ending

i've never seen that once.

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*does absolutely nothing

>>87358685
What did he do that fucked it up?

>>87358716
Buy my game

>>87358643
mommy

>>87358738
Where the fuck have you been for the past two days then?

>>87358555
Lynch only started lynching viewers because he got his ass completly tarkovsky'd when he watched Zerkalo, so watch that

>>87358672
Pure Kino + "I've got lynched" at the same time

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>>87358555
solid digits. not a watch recommendation, but check out some Robert Aickman if you're into short stories. Lots of ambiguity, dream logic / layers of reality, and abnormal sexual relationships.

>>87358711
that's true, half the comfiness of he original seasons came from the way it looked.

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>>87358742
He talked about her

>>87358738
Nigga what there have been plenty of people saying the ending was Laura waking up in the pilot alive now and her life is free of BOB

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>>87358702
give me a (You)

>>87358769
here, in the generals. And I still haven't seen it.

My interpretation of what happened:

Unlike in some other fictional works (Harry Potter comes to mind), changing the past does not change the future, but creates new reality.

Therefore, through changing the past, Cooper created another reality, in which the Cooper _we knew_ is stuck and probably will be. There is no Laura Palmer and maybe not some other people we know from the reality we watched so far, because changing this one thing may cause a lot of changes.

In the reality we watched, there is no more Cooper, there is only Dougie. (But there can't be Cooper and Dougie at the same time, or at least that's what we know from Mike.)

Same thing happened to Jeffries, so when he came back, he thought the other reality was a dream.

>>87358716
>the ending just works

>>87358742
He made half-tied half-loose hair an icon of evil

>>87358586
>what is colour grading?

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Am I the only person who both thinks that the ending was Carrie waking up, hence the exploding lights of the house, but also doesn't think that waking up had anything to do with Laura in 1989?

I understood it as Carrie hearing Sarah's voice, making her remember her other self as Laura Palmer, and that "waking her up", causing her reality to come crashing down as she realizes she's basically two people.

>>87358731
Oh. Then try The Duke of Burgundy.

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>>87358742
Every character except Cooper, Andy, and One Punch Lad, did absolutely nothing significant.

>>87358791
Well, they're pretty retarded then aren't they.

>>87358738
you haven't seen the 'Laura wakes up the day after she would have died & lives on BOB-free' posts? Lucky you

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>>87358781
oh yeah, and watch pic related.

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I can't have been the only one that noticed this, but when Laura gets torn away, did anybody think the softness of the image of the woods was really nostalgic? It looked like it was from the original show almost.

>>87358735
Oh. I thought her screaming was just her lamenting at what happened.

So:
>Cooper changed Laura's actions.
>Laura never dies, and her timeline changes so she disappears.
>Sarah's demon can obviously see across the timelines, has an /r9k/ moment and REEES externally.

>>87358716
>tfw no banter between Cooper and Hawk, Andy, Lucy, or Albert, or James

>>87358576
BUT THEY LOOK NOTHING ALIKE AHAHHA

>>87358846
Don't forget Lucy. I'm so happy that, of all people, the one to kill Booper was Lucy.
Lucy was great this season.

>>87358803
I don't know why but that gesture that coop makes there in the middle of the road is my favorite part of the finale

>>87358841
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>>87358781
Thanks!

>>87358747
tried to stop Lauras death

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>>87358877
DoppelCoop was also visibly surprised to see Frank instead of Harry

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Damn

>>87358913
That fucked it up for him but if Bob was killed in the original timeline, what is is ao cosmically fucked up fir everyone else?

Not gonna lie, but I'd still fuck Sheryl Lee.

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>>87358844
I told you I was here

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>>87358954
Hugs, not fugs

The ending was a metaphor

Cooper was so obsessed with losing Laura's Black Lodge Pussy after 25 years that he became a beta orbiter ruining her life across realities and time

>>87358809
>another reality
Stop

>>87358846
Bobe opened the thing dude

>>87358555
Season 4 is probably happening. The Return made Showtime a boatload of money. Showtime wants more, the production team sound optimistic, Frost wants to do more, the cast want to do more. The only possible road block is Lynch not feeling it. But I don't think Lynch would have ended it like he did if he didn't want to make more.

I firmly believe season 4 is like 80% happening.

>>87358927
Absolute kinographyte

>>87358954
Nothing to be ashamed of there, she looks amazing for being fifty. Usually women already look like garbage around 30, how she's still single astounds me

>>87358975
Why not both?

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>>87358927
>Kiss me, we might be different when we go through
>have sex
>don't recognise the person you love
>don't even recognise yourself.
>leave the person you've loved for 25+ years immediately convinced you're someone else and this life isn't for you.

damn.

http://dugpa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=3544

this thread is pure gold. PURE GOLD

>>87359033
Single, you say? Think she'd go for a younger, slightly athletic guy with a big dick?

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>>87359037
Because Sheryl is not for lewd, anon

>We will have to reconcile with the question that if someone from outside our familiar world gains access to our plane of existence, what ramifications will that entail? There might be forces at work from deep dimensional space, or from the future…or are these one in the same? Think of the events that could have splintered time? The things that could have laid the seed for a starting point for this development? Perhaps technological innovations or the assassination of President Kennedy?
>(From Hastings' site)

Isn't this basically what Cooper did? Changing the past, thus splintering time?

>>87358871
>Cooper is leading Laura away from her death towards home.
>Timeline is slowly getting adjusted accordingly.
>Sarah/Judy senses it happening, pulls Laura from Coop's hands..
>Laura dies as she did, everything happens as it happened.
>Coop returns to the Lodge, where he communicates with Laura's spirit.
>Sarah senses it happening, pulls Laura's spirit from the lodge and sticks it into a parallel reality.

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Based png posters.

Does Anyone have that Scooby Doo video that literally explains what happened in the ending?

>>87359057
so this is the power of garmonbozia

>>87359022
Source on most of those points? I'm not saying you're lying, I just want to see them for myself.

>>87359022
I agree to be honest
Part 18 felt to me like Lynch and frosts pitch to Showtime for season 4. Part 17 was made to be sorta conclusive in case The Return was a flop.

The Formica table is the key to all of this

>>87359089
Is it a video of somebody saying LOL I SUDDENLY UNDERSTAND NOTHING XD?

>>87358879
Fair, but Lucy just killed him for like 30 seconds. He'd have come back if Cooper didn't put the ring on him.

>>87359016
Also fair.

>>87359022
I think Lynch wants to do more. I'm pretty sure he said yes to doing more if fans enjoy the return.

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>>87359069
Maybe anon, maybe
I have to imagine her youthful looks are a result of feeding on the sexual energy of her young boytoys

>>87359120
Hello, person from 25 years ago.

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>>87359087
You a fan of inflated file sizes or something?

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>>87359073
I didn't realise that Sarah/Judy had power over the Red Room and the Arm.

I am going to ignore all your posts because you make sense and now I feel more shit about the ending going so horribly wrong for cutie Cooper.

He was just a fucking FBI investigator who got sucked into all of it.

>>87359158
>I'm pretty sure he said yes to doing more if fans enjoy the return.
So, that's a no?

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Give me the Laura, Judy.

>>87359168
L-lewd

>>87358586
They had to do that to keep the colors and sky consistent between the original shot and the modern one.

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>>87359168
That is a very lewd imagination you've got, anon
Did you forget your non-lewd Sheryl meditation today?

cooper entered the plane of immanence

>>87358896
it's like he's just grasping at thin air trying to rationalise the situation and find an answer.

There is no answer Coop, ya fucked up.

>>87359168
>She will never seduce you after she invites you in on a hot day after mowing her lawn.

It's not fucking fair.

>>87358489
reminder: everything from cooper's dream (from sea1 ep3) on is a dream. the last scene is him waking up.

>>87359195
A lot of fans have enjoyed this season anon. People are angry about part 18 but a season 4 announcement would change some opinions.

>tfw you realize the series as a whole was just about Laura repressing the trauma of being raped by her father

>>87359073
>Laura dies as she did, everything happens as it happened.
Except we were shown her corpse disappearing explicitly and Pete going to fish instead.

>>87359158
You'll niggers would enjoy this shit no matter what

>>87359244
Yes because Lynch has a history of giving people what they want

>>87359072

S3 uses the alternate timelines theory instead of the time paradox (time loop) theory.

Alternate timelines:
Dragon Ball
Scooby Doo Mystery Inc
Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Stone Ocean

Time paradox:
Back to The Future
Dirk Gently
Butterfly Effect

In the AT theory, changing something in the past creates a new timeline, your world stays the same.

In the Time Paradox Theory, changing something in the past changes your world's timeline, where you could get erased from existence like Marty Mcfly.

>>87359267
You're certainly right
WE WUZ BLUE ROSE N SHIT

>>87359195
Feedback seems overwhelmingly positive so far, Anon. Brainlets might not get part 18 yet, but the pop culture sites are mostly praising it as brilliant so they'll go along with that eventually.

I honestly didn't know what to think about part 18 at first, took me a while to digest it all. The last scene hit me like a brick to the head, just so powerful and unnerving.

>>87358846
>One Punch Lad
Why did he have to exist? Why not just give Cooper the glove?

>>87359307
>alternate timelines theory
Stop

>>>/reddit/

>>87359252
I gravitate towards this idea but it seems like there's too much going on for something that simple.

>>87359172
not based jpg poster

>>87359333
spot the reddittor

>>87359263
>Except we were shown her corpse disappearing explicitly and Pete going to fish instead.
That's why I wrote:
>Timeline is slowly getting adjusted accordingly.
Adn then in the very next scene Sarah senses the changes and stops them from happening.

>>87359214
And it looks like shit. 25 years later, and the state of television has degraded. How can Lynch look at that and be proud?

how does the wizard of oz relate to this

>>87359333
why are you responding to every single person that brings this up?

How much would you pay for Sheryl Lee to sit on your face in mom jeans?

>>87359307
My problem with Twin Peaks is that they tried to do both.
For one part, we see how Laura reacted to Cooper in the original timeline (i.e. he was always there), but later he prevents her from meeting Leo (changing the past splinters timelines).
I'm a little disappointed that there was time travel involved, because I'm really tired of time travel being the answer to every fucking piece of media nowadays.

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>>87359297
He would also think about himself as well anon. I'm sure he and Frost have considered more now that they have more freedom and especially now that it's been a success.

>>87359364
The alternative would be to pray for a day with consistent lighting and cloud layout as the original shot, and he did not have a lot of money.

>>87358858
One of my favorites. Altman doing persona with Kino 70s qts

>>87359324
>>87359022
http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/twin-peaks-finale-david-lynch-showtime-cbs-1202545355/
It did not make much money for Showtime as compared to their other shows.

>>87359333

>He never saw FWWM

>HURR DURR IT'S A DREAM

That's literally Plebbit

>>87359392
t. brainlet

>>87359382
Stop bringing up bullshit you just made up
>>87359411
>>He never saw FWWM
[citation needed]

What if Kyle MacLachlan and Sheryl Lee die, before Lynch finally decides to give another season/movie a go?

>>87359333
>FWWM shows how the past affects the Future and how the Future affects the past
>The Black Lodge ruling itself outside of the Time-Space Continuum
>"see you in 25 years"
>Major Briggs body unaffected by time
>Scenes showing Cooper traveling into the past
>Future changed after saving Laura
>"WHICH YEAR IS IT?"

>IT WAS ALL A DREAM NOTHING HAPPENED XD!

"No"

Beyond if you thought it was a good ending or not I gotta say part 18's ending was definitely the scariest thing I've seen in a Lynch work, even topping Inland Empire

>that sense of dread building the entire time starting with the car ride
>that bizarre cinematography of them walking up the steps
>that sense of dread as Cooper desperately tries to find some information from the owner that lines up with what he knows, and Carrie's face as she realizes he's wrong
>Cooper being totally out of his element asking what year it is
>THAT FUCKING SCREAM
>the way the whisper scene is hauntingly replayed over the credits

Absolutely terrifying

>>87359408
Maybe if The Return wasn't such a shitshow it would have made them more money?

>>87358809
except in Harry Potter you can't change the future.
it's like LOST, "whatever happened, happened".

a fitting example would be BTTF

>>87359442
>die
you mean "mysteriously" die (such many cases)

>>87359408
>"For Showtime’s investment in “Twin Peaks” to really pay off, viewers will have to be intrigued by enough of Showtime’s other programming to keep shelling out $11 a month."

This is what will kill any chance for anything else Twin Peaks, even accepting this as the ending.

>>87359413
t. reddit theorist with phd in lodge lore who already pre-ordered the final dossier

>>87359454
Consider Audrey as a hint: she's mentally ill, but otherwise out of the picture. Why show that? Because someone else is also mentally ill: Cooper.

He had issues after Caroline. The FBI put him on an unimportant case to see if he could return to normal duty.

He could't. He had a complete breakdown after Laura & Maddie. Annie is Caroline. Mr C is a figment for his bad deeds. Dougie is Cooper on medication. The prison in South Dakota is for the criminally insane. The crackling and buzzing are electroconvulsive therapy.

All the lodge lore is in his head. Rationalizations for his perceived failures and subsequent breakdown.

The authorized version: Dougie went off his meds, had a psychotic break, got institutionalized, escaped, went on a murderous rampage & was shot by a receptionist in self-defense.

>>87359408
But its still considered a success for Showtime due to the increase in subscriptions and merch. It's not done well as pedovan, but it's definitely a success.

>>87359468
Fair enough, I read it years ago.

>>87359441
that wasn't even me, you just respond to everyone of these retarded posts and I don't know why.

>>87358716
WE DID IT EVERYONE WE FINALLY BECAME TWIN PEAKS: THE RETURN on showtime

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>>87359383
I would rather not pay her and instead have her want to due it of her own accord out of love

>>87359520
nice samefagging

>>87358716
>See that twin peak? You can climb it.

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Sheryl Lee is very good for the soul and I'm not just saying this because I've rewritten my mind to see her as perfection incarnate

>>87359460
when the Palmer house occupant said Tremond & Chalfont I knew Coop was totally fucked

>>87358685
there are plenty possible scenarios where the universe or the space-time continuum aren't screwed up by Cooper. if it was possible for him to do that, there is no way in hell Fireman would not only aid, but straight up instruct him.

who the fuck knows what happened after Carrie realized she was Laura.

>>87359501
Stop bringing up bullshit you just made up

>>87359442
They'll replace FBI Agent Dale Cooper with a cup of coffee or a giant coffee pot (which in turn would be consistent with what happened to Jeffries) and Laura with the Golden Orb we already saw on Part 8.

Why are we still talking about ratings? Showtime said from the beginning that they'd determine the success of the show based on how it effects streaming subscriptions.

>tfw actually signed up for the trial to watch
>tfw binged it all in a week, catching up an horu before the finale
>tfw would've actually paid to keep it if gf's deadbeat mom wasn't using it like it was hers and I didn't live to spite

>>87359537
>I have no argument for being irrationally mad at retarded reddit theories

>>87359389

My bet is that they'll go the Dirk Gently route:

Instead of avoiding (or trying to avoid) death, they (Cooper and Carrie/Laura) will try to kill her the same way she did before so the world and time don't get fucked up.

>>87359454
>>FWWM shows how the past affects the Future and how the Future affects the past
>>The Black Lodge ruling itself outside of the Time-Space Continuum
>>"see you in 25 years"
>>Major Briggs body unaffected by time
This is all true but not relevant
>>Scenes showing Cooper traveling into the past
This was a dream. Please pay attention.
>>Future changed after saving Laura
How is this possible? Thin about it.
>>"WHICH YEAR IS IT?"
Looks like you missed the hint about this. Watch it again.
>>87359520
Shouldn't you be asking those people why they make retarded posts?

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Do you think there's a reason she has no reaction to the name "Leland" but that the name "Sarah" gets her?

Fire Walk With Me was Laura's realization that her father was the man that had sexually abused her for all of these years. I'm not gonna say it is something she came to terms with, but it is a revelation and she moves past it and gets her angel in the red room.

was the ending her realization that her mother had been enabling it and psychologically abused her too?

>>87359089
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ-8cn7LGoQ

>>87359460
Normally I find the whole "scream and cut to black" ending trope to be terrible but Sheryl sold it amazingly, it cut through all the dread like you mentioned, and the exploding electricity was spooky

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>>87359509
>It's not done well as pedovan

Will TP season 4 have a willy dance scene?

>>87359454
>interpretation focuses on discovering an objective reality when the work is clearly antithetical to your urge to rationalize on purpose

>NO GUYS, IT WENT DOWN LIKE THIS XD!

Anyone have a webm of Cooper manipulating the Lodge curtains by doing jazz hands?

>>87358565
Not even memeing, what was his end game?

>>87358836
I'm also choosing to believe this, it sounds the least far-fetched out of all of them.

Realistically where do Richard and Linda go to after the show cuts to black

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Learn the difference /tpg/

oh shit, I forgot how the Fireman told Cooper
>You are far away.
poor Coop

>>87359590
No, it was an outright hint that Sarah Palmer is a fucking demon and responsible for not only this weird shift in reality but also probably a lot more

>>87359509
This makes no sense, Showtime won't give a fuck about making another season if everyone keeps subscribing regardless, but they might if they see all the TP fans unsub when the season is over

>>87359590
>Do you think there's a reason she has no reaction to the name "Leland" but that the name "Sarah" gets her?
Surely Sarah is a more common name than Leland?

>>87359632
I meant *Richard and Carrie

>>87359402
He could have done 8 episodes like S1 and put the budget to better use.

>>87359540
Are you sure you haven't become a tulpa of Sheryl Lee like Carrie is one of Laura?

>>87359632
The Lodge, or another person's dream.

>>87359590
>was the ending her realization that her mother had been enabling it and psychologically abused her too?

You're getting there I reckon.

Both of her parents were as bad as each other, and Laura has never had to deal with what Sarah was and worse what she's become.

Average movie fan watches Lynch, doesn't like it, gets mad - LYNCHED. Many such cases!

>>87359632
They go to Mulholland Drive.

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This game makes a lot more sense now.

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>87359717
this was a good song

this was a good performance

>>87359509
>Showtime due to the increase in subscriptions
And the lack of them when we all cancel our subscriptions now that the show is over?

Just accept this is THE final ending to Twin Peaks. If you knew anything about David Lynch, this is how most of his work ends.

>>87359584

>Shows how time moves to all directions
>"Not relevant"

2/10

>"This was a dream"
> Using Headcannon
>If it was a dream then it shouldn't have changed reality

2/10

>"How is this possible"
>Literally one of the rules of time traveling is that changing the past changes the future

2/10

Overall:

2/10 see me after class

>The owls are not what they seem

Still not explained 50 hours of Twin Peaks later...

>>87358735
But the body disappeared from the beach.

>>87359701
I've seen all of Lynch's films save for Dune, and this is objectively his worst work.

>>87359087
>>87359643
autism.png

>>87359501

I like this.

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>>87359686
I actually don't know
I woke up today feeling amazing but as the day has gone on, I now feel this weird sense of "unreality" as in the feeling doesn't feel real and neither does anything else really. It's hard to explain

>>87359454
>FWWM shows how the past affects the Future and how the Future affects the past
Not even just FWWM, remember how Coop getting stabbed in Pittsburgh correlated with Windom stabbing him in the lodge?

>>87359307
>>87359454
>Diane (Linda) has still clearly gone through the Naido experience and remembers Mr C.
>Laura has a different name and doesn't have any memory of living in Twin Peaks
>Sarah never lived in her house
>RR Diner looks different
>Cooper's name is now Richard

>IT'S A NEW TIMELINE CAUSED BY SAVING LAURA XD!

"no"

>>87359501

Headcannon: The post

>>87359751
BOB could take the form of an owl, thats literally it

>>87359751
It sounded cool.

>>87359742
If they see the subscriptions going down after TP, they will want more. If Lynch says no then so be it.
I'm fine with the ending but I'm just considering the chances of season 4.

>>87359766
There's been plenty of times where I've realized I was dreaming and I started screaming like Laura did just before waking up abruptly. The finale felt awfully a lot like that.
Maybe it's more common than I think.

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>>87358489
Twin Peaks has been my obsession/escapism for a while, and this last episode felt very unsatisfying. I loved all the crazy shit throughout this season, but this is the first time I've felt genuinely LYNCHED.

My short film is having a lot of issues, and perhaps on a cosmic level, my dissapointment with this show could be telling me to abandon by dreams of being a filmmaker/director and focus on a new, path in life?

>>87359632
Frenlo jumps down the steps & tears them apart

>>87359766
What year is it?

>>87359742
>Just accept this is THE final ending to Twin Peaks. If you knew anything about David Lynch, this is how most of his work ends.

Just like how the original series ended.
The ending was a cliffhanger plot-wise, but yeah it can also work as an ending, again, like the ending to S2.
We could still get another movie or a few more episodes that give a final conclusion. Or maybe we won't. Only God knows.

>>87359744
>If it was a dream then it shouldn't have changed reality
It didn't. Did you watch the same show I did?
>>Literally one of the rules of time traveling is that changing the past changes the future
Explain how the Palmers magically never existed because Laura didn't die.

You won't be able to, because your theory is wrong, there are no "alternate timelines" here

>>87359757
def not objectively since critics and fans love it

>>87359774

That's something that always happens in Time Traveling movies fampai.

>>87359501
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>>87359801
>If they see the subscriptions going down after TP, they will want more.
They will want more people who won't stick around and give them money in the long run? They don't want business sustainability?

You clearly don't own a business yourself

>>87359801
I don't think it's likely just looking at how long S3 took to make and where Lynch is in his life right now. Lynch/Frost started on S3 in 2012, and it took 5 years to get it on air. Lynch is 71 now, I don't see him committing to a project like that. I could see a final movie.

>>87359790
That's pretty much Lynch's M.O. Modus operandi.

>even kyle maclachlan doesn't understand the ending

you guys need to stop speculating
and start meditating

>>87359774
because something happened and something did not

>>87359814
You LYNCHED yourself, the S2 finale was the same way and FWWM was literally a movie about going in the opposite direction and not acknowledging the finale's questions at all

Anyone who expected a neat resolution was deluded

>>87359742
Season 4 would end with a cliffhanger too, doesn't mean I don't wanna watch more

>>87358565
what is he thinking? Is he living in richard cooper now?

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who here has had the credits theme on repeat for hours yesterday and today?

http://picosong.com/wsrgs/

It is so evocative of the overwhelming sadness in that episode, it makes me feel so many things.

>>87359618
look for it in the previous thread

>>87359831
>It didn't. Did you watch the same show I did?
We literally see a timeline where Laura's corpse is never found because she's not fucking there.
Of course that doesn't mean that the Carrie universe is a result of that. It's probably just an alternate reality/dream world where she was trapped, that would be moronic.

>>87359814
I can't tell you what to do with your life anon, but I would say that if anything the fact that something as insane as The Return was written, filmed, and broadcast can also be the spark of inspiration to continue working on your own creative endeavours?

>>87359844
>saving laura causes a man who was born about 20 years before this divergent event to have a different name
>saving laura means that events directly stemming from her death still happened
>saving laura means her mother never bought a house 20+ years before this divergent event

fuck off you shit dribbler

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>>87359831

Leland became a lodge spirit.

Sarah is now Judy.

>>87359757
At least let the hype die down buddy

>>87359802
It's not that I feel like I'm in a dream, it's more like if I look out my window at the tree standing there, for example, I see that the tree is there and acknowledge that as fact but I don't feel any relation to it. I don't feel any relation to anything, not even the computer I'm writing this on
>>87359819
2017

>>87359828
>Just like how the original series ended.
Not really. The original one ended as a cliffhanger for Season 3, and wasn't even helmed by David Lynch. It was pretty straightforward and not ambiguous at all
>We could still get another movie or a few more episodes that give a final conclusion
But we already have one. it's not Lynch's fault you don't get it. Think harder about it.

>>87359872
Kyle explicitly said he doesn't ask questions and doesn't try to understand what Lynch is doing, and even if he did Lynch wouldn't tell him so he just does whatever.

Kyle doesn't give two shits, he's peak coffee-and-pie!Cooper and he's content to stay there and enjoy the rest at face value.

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>>87359601

COOPER, I'M A GENIUS!

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>Yes sir, the entire cast was wiped out
>Those two are still alive
>The Experiment?
>Yes sir, Judy should become activated soon, right on scheldule
>No sir, my cover is intact, nobody knows who I realy am
>Yes, Agent Jeffries knew my identity, but he has been disposed off.
>Yes, the inferior one was winner after all.
>Untill the wery end Dougie thought he was the inferior one.
>Goodbye.
>Mr.Bob

>>87359866
They would have no reason to make another season if we all stick around because it shows people will stick around regardless of more Twin Peaks, therefore they have no need to make more.

>>87358685
he woke up Laura and she destroyed Judy's fake dimension and the electricty went silent

there are many ways to interpret it as a good ending. It's ambiguous by design

>>87359757
>>87359924 here, ignore my post, I thought you said "best" instead of "worst

>>87359836
I loved it too, it's probably some of the best television we'll ever get. But it's still his worst work in terms of consistency and apparent effort. So many aspects make it inferior to the original run, such as the digital, the poor lighting, the cheap sets, the inconsistencies, and the script itself dragged out over 18 episodes. It's low effort.

>>87359831
in the timeline Laura didn't die, Laura wasn't Laura and Coop wasn't coop; it was a completely different world with people spread out in different ways

>>87359904
Thanks frenlo

>>87358685
>happy enders are low IQ

Things went to shit in the end

>>87359925
>It's not that I feel like I'm in a dream, it's more like if I look out my window at the tree standing there, for example, I see that the tree is there and acknowledge that as fact but I don't feel any relation to it. I don't feel any relation to anything, not even the computer I'm writing this on
I mean when I'm dreaming, not in real life. If that happens to you you should probably see a therapist or something.

>>87359754
Yes, and then Sarah reverted the timeline back, by taking Laura away from Coop and putting her back on the track of getting murdered.

>>87359868
The filming itself was all done in 2015 though. The groundwork has been laid for the story of S4, and the longest stuff like reassembling the cast, crew etc is already done. They could easily make S4 in a year or two.

>>87359906
>because she's not fucking there.
She is there, she just never died. Again, pay attention before you post.
>It's probably just an alternate reality
Prove it. Show us evidence of this elsewhere in TP

>>87359632
Nowhere, when the screen cuts to black it's the end of the universe

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>>87359926
>we already have one.
We have many theories.

>>87359643
can i skip png

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Thoughts on this theory?

>>87359866
What if they use the success of TP to create more programming similar to it to run alongside TP? The programming they have clearly isn't making lots of people stay. Showtime are desperate after years of being looked at as the lesser HBO.
>>87359868
You might be right. I'm guessing that if we don't hear about season 4 by the time Final Dossier is released, then it's not happening.

>>87359870
Except Frost came up with it. Frost is so anti-art that it's embarrassing.

>>87359962
>Laura wasn't Laura
How would this have happened though? Butterfly effects don't explain how people magically transform into other people

>>87358836
it can also be just the shock of waking up in another reality from death

who knows if the evil house going dark and the electricity going off is good or bad

>Dreamfags rely on headcannons and fanwank theories.

>>87359945
that was the trap closing on them. there are no good interpretations that will stand up

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Anybody else that have been left completely shell shocked by the finale? It feels so banal in a way to think back on the earlier episodes and all the fun that was had in them when that final hour was such a sobering reminder of the awful truth underneath it all.

It's like I'm not ready to even think of the comfy LV stuff, it's just like Fire Walk With Me and how that recontextualized the original series, and the Maddy death as well. It's such a jolt to the system.

>>87359643
the fact you made this a png SAYS IT ALL

>>87359973
I have and I've been diagnosed as "mentally vulnerable" with an increased risk of schizophrenia
Bottom line is that I'm ever so slightly schizophrenic that I'm able to function in society without problems 90% of the time but it's still present enough that it affects my life and how I live it

>>87359751
FROSTED, but actually this (not only bob tho) >>87359784

>>87360001
Most of them are wrong.

>>87359333
>>>87359307
>>alternate timelines theory

>Stop

>>>/hammertime/

>>87359990
>She is there, she just never died. Again, pay attention before you post.
I obviously mean the corpse, meaning that she's alive.
>Prove it. Show us evidence of this elsewhere in TP
What else do you think it is then?

>>87360014
Wouldn't have been a scream if it was that passive. Nor does it explain Sarah stealing Laura from out of the ream.

>>87360056
That last episode fucked me up. No joke.

The whole season is mired in plot holes and un-ended subplots and you guys think it can be explained?

This was hot fucking garbage, a "fuck you" to his fans.

WE are Jerry Horne, filling ourselves up with drugs going on misguided adventures into the woods to look for meaning, thinking this intoxicated state will bring anything to our life. We put so much importance on small, stupid, insignificant things, such as our leg feeling a certain way, thinking our binoculars killed a guy.

In the end, we're just lost naked babies waiting for our brother to pick us up.

And yeah Lynch is parodying capeshit, Tarantino and probably a lot of other movies and directors. This wasn't Twin Peaks, this was a statement.

>>87359325
I thought he was alright, but he appeared in the season too late for me to actually care about him (in contrast to other new characters like Frank) which really made such an important role seem wasted on him.

timelines and alternate universes
materialist sci fi garbage

>>87360014
it's okay

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>>87360014
Holy shit, from 4chan to reddit to articles. How can we combat the Reddit crossposting menace within out midst? I want you all to fuck off back to your shit site

>>87359899
not working

>>87360056
How did it recontextualize Maddy's death?

>>87359937
>if we all stick around
Showtime has garbage content. No thanks
>>87360023
>What if they use the success
It wasn't a success. We already covered this.

>>87360040
It's not really butterfly effect is it? he didn't save Laura in this new reality, it's just a completely new set of variables that make people who they are.

>>87360056
I just love the fact that like with FWWM, Lynch brought it all back to his core idea of Twin Peaks being Laura Palmer's story, not Dale Cooper's.

>>87358785
What?

The line was "I'm 25 years your senior"

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DIRECTED BY
DAVID LYNCH

>>87358586
>defend this
yeah lets bring him back to life and shoot the scene in older photography equipment to please your autistic standards
kill yourself

>>87360063
Did you even read it?

>>87360111
holy shit

>>87360014
>People get paid to do this

The ending is like an alternate timeline merged with an alternate dimension.

Dream/reality theory is just a meme

>>87359632
>they stopped existing along with that pocket dimension
>they were transported into the black lodge or wherever the metaphysical fuck after the pocket dimension collapsed
>the dimension went on and so did they but maybe it twisted even more now that Laura is self-conscious. they do whatever they need in order to fight Judy

pick one.

>all these b and c list actors going back to being poor
Major schadenfreude

>>87360111
>from 4chan to reddit to articles
And back to 4chan

So was Jerry hearing "I am not your foot" just him being high and not Lodge shit after all?

>>87360056
I felt physically ill the day after desu. I'm still trying to cope with it.

>>87360144
Lynch is the ultimate cuteposter.

>>87360203
wasn't that obvious?

>>87360161
>autistic standards
>the new "standards" of digital look worst
Fuck off, retard.

>>87360168
it wasnt necessary mate, the fact you made it a png SAYS IT ALL

>>87360054
What do you mean?
>>87360086
Now you are not answering the question. Try again
>What else do you think it is then?
I already explained it.
>>87360132
>It's not really butterfly effect is it?
That's what your theory is. Changing a moment in time will change the present to be unrecognizable.
>it's just a completely new set of variables that make people who they are.
How is that possible?

>>87358586
It has nothing to do with being filmed digital

The lighting just wasn't the same, you can't change the weather anon

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MVP

>>87360040

Butterfly Effect belongs to the Time Paradox, not Alternate Timelines.

>>87360203
nah it's this
>>87360098

Is Annie fucking okay or not?!

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Anyone notice that the milf that worked at the great northern was named Beverly Paige?

>>87360055
>that was the trap closing on them
prove it

you fucking can't. I can't prove my counter-theory. nobody can fucking prove anything.

The Return:

Fuck original series.

With love, David Lynch

>>87360256
Fair enough.

Show me any mention of Alternate Timeless in TP

I'll wait.

>>87360231
I haven't rewatched the episode but I thought the voice that says it was the same as The Arm's

>>87360098
Damn good post.

>>87360124
It's certainly been talked about anon. Showtime should take the risk and allow more freedom to be given to the creators. It could set a new standard and perhaps make them more noticeable than HBO.
>showtime has garbage content
Many people agree with you which should worry Showtime. They can't play it safe and make the programming they've been showing for the last few years anymore. Twin Peaks has showed them that.

>>87360280
OH SHIT ITS LAURAS SISTER WOW MEANS SO MUCH TO MEE LIKE HOW DIANE'S SISTER IS JANEY E WOW IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE WOOOOWWW

>>87358586
I wish they got a heavier set man to play Pete, the full body shot is too obviously of a much skinnier and younger person. That's my only problem, I don't care that the color grading is bad.

>>87360284

Episode 18

>>87360228
He literally brought back Sheryl to the OG series before he even wrote Maddy and said he made FWWM just to see Laura Palmer live and breathe

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How did he spawn his car at the motel?
Also, did you noticed that since Coop went through that door he became more like blend of Bad Coop and Good one: he wasn't smug and upbeat like he always is, he was quiet and at some point even threataning (that gun pointing at people at Judy's)

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Drink Full...

>>87360149
It's very strange: there appear to be easter eggs hidden in difference streaming sources. That pic is from the Canadian source on Showtime, and has the dialog changed. Lynch has probably hidden such secret messages in different episodes for different countries over the course of the season.

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>>87360098

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Is James still cool in the new reality?

>mfw people still don't understand what's meant by dreams and living inside dreams in Twin Peaks (and other works by Lynch)

There you go:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_in_Buddhism#Reality_and_dreams_in_Dzogchen

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>>87360329

>>87360280
Her last name is Paige, Carrie's last name is Page.

>>87359465
brainlet detected

>>87360204
I can't get it out of my head, man. And I don't want to either, it feels really profound.

>>87360320
Where is a Alternate Timeline mentioned?

naomi watts a cute

>>87360239
t. brainlet

>>87360243
Nothing was changed in this new reality, it just is.
He didn't jump to this new world to save Laura, that was before he jumped; i cannot explain how this new reality came to be, the characters just know things could be completely different before they jump but there's no exposition about it.

>>87360276
ANNIE ARE YOU OK
YOU OK
YOU OK ANNIE??

Characters CONFIRMED to be reality/dimension/time breakers:

>Jeffries
>MIKE
>BOB
>Cooper
>Leland
>Laura
>Major Briggs
>The Fireman
>Judy
>Jumping man
>Annie
>Ms. Tremond

Characters that could be:
>Sarah
>Audrey

new

>>87360399
>>87360399
>>87360399

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>>87360280
What was the point of her and this guy again? Why the wasted screentime, why was this contrived character written in in the first place? Christ, the more you think about it, the more you realize Lynch had no idea what he was doing. The quinoa went straight to his head

>>87360168
No because I don't store my images on a flopdisk so I don't give a fuck if they're a few bytes bigger grandpa

>>87360328
going through the "awakening" that night put him on the path towards Judy via Jeffries magic

>>87360395
>i cannot explain
Then it isn't true

Sorry

>>87360328
Wow... it's almost like you watched the episode!

>>87359717
AAAHH AHHH AHHH AHHH AHHH AHHH AHHH AHHHHHHH

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>>87360328
What if he gave all his chirpy and positive traits to Dougie when he asked Mike to make another tulpa of him?

Maybe something has to be sacrificed when you create tulpas.

>>87360380

Wasn't mentioned but showed.

>>87360203
Drugs in the town seems to have a much crazier effect than it should, probably because of Twin Peaks being easily exposed to lodge spirits.

>>87360319
>I don't care that the color grading is bad
Why not? What about the fact that 25 years later, the state of video has gotten worst? It's gotten cheaper and more convenient, but the quality of film is far more than that of even hundred thousand dollar sensors. It's inexcusable that decades later, the quality of video is devolving.

>>87359700
You know what the worst part of Leland's raping was? The hypocrisy

>>87360494
>Wasn't mentioned
So, you have no evidence of it.

Really impressive

>>87360460
he was still chirpy after the tulpa was created

if this is what happened, it's only after the new Dougie materialized

>>87360427
I feel like it happened before. That smile he gives Diane when the meets her outside of The Black Lodge just seems really uncanny and fake. Like the smile that Bad Coop gave to Cole when he was in prison.

>>87360526

>No evidence

Watch the fucking episode.

By your retarded logic, if a character gets his head chopped off, body ripped apart, etc. He wouldn't be dead if they don't say "wow, he's dead!"

>>87360328
>>87360427
>>87360460
Except Cooper acted like that before in The Lodge.

>>87359911
the past has to be changed for the future to be changed
if you change the past, the even earlier past has to adjust in order to make the new past possible
its all a symbiotic circle

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>>87360074
And yours is right, no anon?

>>87360610
>Watch the fucking episode.
I did. No mention of an Alternate Timeline.

Again it's your theory, you need to defend it.

Circular reasoning doesn't work

>>87360619
i feel really sorry for you

>>87359751
message from space

>>87360576
then it might be what >>87360460 is talking about

or maybe he was just really sad in that scene and only became coldCoop because the dark dimension had an affect on him

>>87360646
Correct.

>>87360652

>Cooper travels into the past and changes an event ( prevents laura's death)
>Characters with different names (linda, Richard, Carrie)
>Characters with different memories (carrie)
>Characters that were supposed to live in one place actually doesn't ( the palmers/ the tremonds)

If you keep denying this you're probably retarded.

>>87360610
Not him, but I'm not really sure where you think there's a hint of a different timeline. We can see the real timeline being changed, but we don't know if there's another one where Laura died anymore. And no, there's no evidence that the world that Cooper and Diane travels to is a different timeline. There are too many unnatural stuff going to think that its just some different world where different stuff happened.

>>87359147
But it was only possible for coop to put the ring on him because she had incapacitated him. She gets an assist counts as kill at the very least

>>87358586
>doesn't find dead laura
>still stuck in Catherine/Josie powerplays for the sawmill

>>87360798
Saving Laura didn't create that timeline if that's what you're implying. Remember that to get there they crossed the 430 mile and had sex.