Sith or Jedi?

>peace is the basis for everything
Fucking hippies

>>87343088
The shit on the right is some fanfiction garbage. At least the left makes some sense.

Wow did JK Rowling write these?

Jedi obviously. Sith are just a bunch of whiny emo kids. The only cool sith were vader and maul.

Neither. Rather be a bounty hunter

>>87343088
sith because i aint giving up chicks for some bald old fucks

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>>87343088
The Jedi are better for having no emotion.

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>>87343088
>In the OT Jedi were a loosely organized order of space ronin who walked the universe keeping the peace to the extent most people think they were a myth
>Prequels turn them into a mass of autistic virgin monks who had a huge influence on galactic politics
>The prequel version is what defines the Jedi throughout the rest of the Star Wars franchise

thank G-D the Sequel trilogy kept the amount of force users to a minimum, Star Wars is so fucking boring when everyone has a lightsaber and can do CGI flips

Nu wars is going to ruin both factions anyways.

>>87343088
The shit on the left is some edgelord garbage. At least the right makes some sense.

>>87343238
Obi-Wan is the GOAT Jedi

>>87343088
What kind of retard made these. These are Sith and Jedi codes, they have nothing to do with Republic/Alliance/Empire/etc.

>>87343242
>trillions of people in the galaxy
>get autistic for having a few hundreds of force users

Just imagine all the pent up anger jedi's have, do they have psychiatrists?
I'd much rather be a sith than some passive-aggressive whiny loser.

Neither ideology makes any sense at all. The entire religion is half-baked. An entire fucking galaxy and not one fucking decent philosopher.

Jedi = stoic, calm, rational keepers of the peace

Sith = angry, deranged, violent sperglords

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Sith all the way. Passion and greed are both allowed, and encouraged to make you grow as an individual. Same with sex, romance, and attachments. The Sith are all about self-improvement, unlike that Jedi hippie dogshit.

Plus, the Sith dress fucking rad to show off their power, wealth, and sense of achievement, rather than as filthy hobos and vagrants.

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>>87343088
The Sith would normally be complete shit, but they are redeemed by this one man.

>>87343355
Actually, SWTOR had sith empire and old republic, with those symbols.
And yes, the Sith ruling the galaxy is Canon, Obi Wan said it

>>87343405
>Sith = angry, deranged, violent sperglords
Except this isnt true for most of the force users who were born into Sith ideology though. When you look those who never were a Jedi, they are usually pretty chill and calculative. They simply value strength and power over anything else.

When you look at fallen Jedi like Anakin or Kylo, they fit the description perfectly. Why is that?

Jedi code is based on betrying human nature, basically lying to yourself for years. Suppressing their emotion for such a long time then leads to borderline instanity when they can finally let go.

Now I think I went on way more than enough about this retarded fictional bullshit.

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>>87343242
>OT Jedi were a loosely organized order of space ronin who walked the universe keeping the peace to the extent most people think they were a myth
Complete bullshit. Obi-Wan has been in exhile for decades same with Yoda. Since the Order was destroyed, it makes a lot of sense they don't follow their traditions anymore. Do you even know what a ronin is?

At no point are the Jedi ever implied to be drifters.

>>87343563
But sith code was never forced on regular citizens of the empire. It was still only a force user ideology.

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>>87343563
The Sith Empire symbol was also canonized in the Lando comic

>>87343401
It wouldn't surprise me that the lack of other major religions is because the Jedi and Sith both did everything in their power to suppress or destroy anyone who didn't believe what they did. Kinda like the Crusades but they worked

>>87343763
Any details you can give? Quick rundown of the mention and lore behind it?

>>87343561
>not Darth Bane?
Why does he wear the mask?

>>87343763
>>87343918
Oh wait you said the symbol, I thought you meant they mentioned the Sith's empire in general

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>>87343088
Sith and jedi are responsible for most of the conflicts and problems in the setting right?
Why don't normal people just round them all up and put them in space jail, or better yet get rid of them completly?

>>87344042
play KOTOR II

>>87343088
Jedi of course. I'm not a fucking edgelord and really that's all it really comes down to. People who chose Sith either think Evil is cool, being edgy is cool, or being contrarian is cool.

>>87344062
Why?

>>87343088
The Jedi are socialist collectivist authoritiarians, the Sith are individualist libertarians.

>>87343088
According to Disney's canon Sith is the toxic masculinity.

>>87343242
In the OT the Jedi have been in hiding due to the Empire and the Dark Lord having such significant power. This is in the OT you moron. Sorry the PT wasn't what you wanted but that's a stupid argument.

>star wars is so fucking boring when eeryone has a lightsaber and can do CGI flips
I disagree, it was incredibly entertaining and befitting super human ninjas.

>>87343088
Isn't "order" the Sith equivalent of "peace?"
stopped reading there

>>87343400
That's funny, the Jedi who was a passive aggressive whiny loser turned to the Dark Side. All the Jedi who learn to deal with their emotions however, sit on the counsel and are granted the rank of master.

>>87344042
>Sith and jedi are responsible for most of the conflicts and problems in the setting right?
Only twice

Both orders are fucking retarded extremeists.

Jedi:
>Hurr Durr peace through the removal of emotion. Daring to question the status quo is a thought crime. Sterilisation and the stagnation of philosophy is smart.

Sith:
>Hurr Durr we are gods who do as we please. There can only be two of us now lol cos other wise we have tantrums about who has the biggest dick.

I'd rather walk away mate.

Jedi = Virgin Betas
Sith = Chad Alphas

>>87344042
That's the warped, bullshit version.
According to the OT, The Jedi were protectors and guardians who only acted in self defense. Anyways, Darth Vader and the Empire DID round up all the Jedi and kill them. (Except for Obi Wan and Yoda, and these are direct quotes from them.)

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>>87344269
The only reason other Jedi are able to "deal" with it, is because they were raised in the creepy cult-like environment since birth, and don't know any other life. Anakin had a taste of normalcy before he was ripped away from his mother, and knowledge of being "normal" before having his emotions suffocated by a bunch of hippies.

It was the Jedi that turned Anakin into a whiny douchemaster, he didn't become one in spite of them.

>>87343088
>No Grey Bullshit
Kreia's efforts were wasted on this world.

>>87344326
>hurr durr peace through the removal of emotion
They are right though. And they didn't go on a campaign to expunge emotions on citizens. They only demanded control over one's emotions from their VOLUNTARY Jedi members who VOLUNTARILY SACRIFICED a normal life in service of a higher purpose. Something NEETs on 4chan don't understand.

>Daring question the status quo is a thought crime
I don't even see how you came to this conclusion.

>Sterilisation and the stagnation of philosophy is smart
Idk what you're trying to say here. If you're referring to Jedi not being allowed to reproduce (BTW Ki-Adi Mundi was for practical purposes) then you should know that the Jedi's Republic wasn't having any sort of population problem. And what makes you think the philosophy is stagnated?

>>87344219
And Jedi is literally feminism.
At least if the leaks are correct.
Thank a lot Kathleen Kennedy

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>>87344155
KOTOR II is literally about how the retarded dogma of the Jedi and Sith binds the galaxy to eternal suffering. The common people can't stand either the Jedi or the Sith, as all they do is cause them to die in their wars over religion. The villain is ultimately trying to kill the Force in order to free the galaxy from its influence.

Seriously, it's written by a guy who thinks Star Wars makes no sense and set out to tear down its conventions. It's basically a deconstruction of the franchise as a whole.

>>87344501
>kill the Force
that's retarded

>>87344428
>creepy
>cult like
>since birth
They are picked at a young age. I don't think anyone said they were picked since birth. They and their parents volunteer for this and they can leave at any time.

>ripped away from his mother
Top fucking kek. He and his mother were slaves. He volunteered to go ecstatically. His mother volunteered him knowing his life would be better and he was destined for it.

What is creepy about the environment in which the child jedi are raised? They are given probably the best education in the entire galaxy. They get to see many parts of the galaxy most people wont. They are taught to harness abilities they otherwise may not control or adapt well to surrounded by normies. They are fed well, clothed, and housed. They have all manner of resources available to them.

No Anakin turned into a douchemaster in spite of the Jedi. This is shown multiple times throughout the movies. His case is exceptional btw and it is silly to hold the members of the Jedi order as perfect mistake-less being while criticizing them for seemingly not accommodating the imperfections of individuals.

That's usually what a lot of criticism of the Jedi comes down to. Well gee they aren't perfect. If they were they wouldn't be relatable or interesting. There wouldn't be an interesting story if they foresaw everything the Sith Lord was planning and the downfall of Anakin.

>>87344569
Luke in this point is Kreia 2.0 Disney version
He is going to destroy the force in the end of this trilogy

>>87344501
he is right though

>>87344501
>religion
When will this meme die?

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>>87343088
What would DOOM be?

>>87344501
>KOTOR II is literally about how the retarded dogma of the Jedi and Sith binds the galaxy to eternal suffering
Only true in Legends. Canonically the Sith only destroyed the Republic and Jedi once. But this is mostly Avellons take on Star Wars + lots of EU books. Since EU authors keep repeating the constant Jedi and Sith wars and not following Lucas's vision its not a surprise KOTOR 2 is the way it is

>>87343088
Sith for the fact that you can be pro-active with your powers instead of sitting in a monastery your whole life doing nothing. I think most Sith end up ruling the galaxy for a while right?

>>87343088
I choose grey because you can't tell me what to do you're not even my real dad. They're both fucking stupid.
>act like a fucking evil asshole all the time because muh passion muh desires (even though you ruin your whole life and the only desire you have left is to conquer the galaxy for some fucking reason, as though anybody would want to deal with that administrative nightmare. You could conquer 1/1,000,000,000th of the galaxy and still be able to live a lifestyle more extravagant than you could ever possibly need)
vs
>deny all pleasure and joy in life because everything that might even remotely threaten to cause your heart to beat leads to the dark side. Also you get roped in to this lifestyle when you're too young to remember anything else presumably because that's the only way they can get people to not quit so they can have fun again

>>87343242
>autistic virgin monks
This is the real problem. Jedi create their own worst enemies though bizarre and unnatural practices. Look at how much damage one teenager with a boner did just because the Jedi rules said you weren't allowed to fuck a girl.

Kinda surprised the Jedi aren't engaged in a Catholic-style pederasty scandal.

>>87343918
basically

lando steals sheevs personal yacht that has a bunch of art including a room full of sith stuff (that anons pic related). also in the aftermath novels, a main character (timmen) has a shop with an area with a lot of valuable artifacts and its mentions that there's depections of an extinct race of darkskin humanoids that always wear dark cloaks. in the new darth maul series maul has a flashback of when sheev takes him to the sith temple on malachor and specifically mentions a sith empire thats all i got.

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>>87344599
>He and his mother were slaves.
So fucking what? They don't allow families to see each other form loving attachments afterward. That's sick.

>What is creepy about the environment in which the child jedi are raised?
Being martially trained and indoctrinated into a dogmatic religious ideology, for one.

>This is shown multiple times throughout the movies.
No, it's shown that the Jedi's ideology is leading him to mental illness due to repressed emotions and an extremely controlled environment. There's a reason why Yoda was against training Anakin: he was too old. Anakin had already developed attachments to his mother, and later Padme. That's why the Jedi go after inducting toddlers: those attachments haven't fully formed and can be far more easily broken in very young children. Anakin was also the only Jedi shown who was inducted after forming those attachments, besides Luke.

>criticizing them for seemingly not accommodating the imperfections of individuals
If your ideology can't take care of, and focus on the individual needs of it's members, it's a shit ideology. Jedi are compared to Communists or cultists for a reason.

>>87345048
It's been canon since the prequels
Sheev said once more the sith will rule the galaxy.

>>87345067
If Jedi are Communists, what are the Sith?

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>>87345094
Libertarian

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>>87345094
Egotistical narcissistic individualists. They would likely be libertarians or libertines. Lucas, being a leftist, thinks that "individualism" means becoming a Fascist.

>>87345067
>being martially trained and indoctrinated into a dogmatic religious idealogy, for one

What religion? They literally can do all the things Jedi would have claimed. There's not fairy tale involved there. Maybe you're referring to their ethics? With great power comes great responsibility.

>there's a reason why yoda was against training anakin: he was too old
Exactly. Anakin was the exception that many elder Jedi saw problems with.

>if your ideology can't take care of less than 1% of your members who is a literal force of nature, then it's a shit ideology.

>jedi are communists
Communism is a economic ideology. Not only did the Jedi largely stay out of politics when they could have ruled the galaxy, they supported a capitalist republic. For some reason I see a lot of right wingers supporting the sith and the empire these days.

These arguments make every organization of people sound like a cult. It's hyperbolic.

>>87344501
>jedi actively protect people
>hurr they are the same as the sith

kotor 2 was post-modern trash

>>87345094
anarcho-egoists

>>87345159
>>87345171
What utter retardation.
>I like the Empire, therefore they are my ideology. There isn't much in the movies to tell what the Empire's economic policies are. But I imagine they are using a lot of taxes to fund their massive war machines and they are always portrayed as hierarchical. They were literally built by the subterfuge of a capitalist republic under a literal dictator and have a more centralized government position then the republic did. Not to mention the crony capitalism involved during the Clone War.

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>>87345094
egoists

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>>87345235
>What religion?
Are you retarded? The Jedi were literally called "warrior MONKS". They are a monastic order, a RELIGION.

>Exactly. Anakin was the exception that many elder Jedi saw problems with.
And it was their repressive horseshit that drove him loony, as it would any previously normal person.

>if your ideology can't take care of less than 1% of your members who is a literal force of nature, then it's a shit ideology.
It should be focusing on them as individuals, not as a group. It's because of that thinking that Anakin's issues were overlooked.

>Communism is a economic ideology.
True, the more correct term would be "collectivists".

>For some reason I see a lot of right wingers supporting the sith and the empire these days.
>Anyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi!
Funny how George put the individualist Sith in charge of a Fascist organization, despite the Jedi being better suited to a Fascist or Communist dictatorship, as both of those arise from wanting to do "the greater good" and bring about "equality" and "harmony".

>>87343935
Indestructible parasitic bugs. If he removes it, it'll be extremely painful

>>87345171
>Lucas, being a leftist, thinks that "individualism" means becoming a Fascist.
or maybe they are actually just assholes and lucas wasn't trying to use his cartoon to make a political statement

>>87343088
Both sides are retarded in their purest form.

However, light side is still dumber. "There is no emotion" is just a complete lie.

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>>87345570
>or maybe they are actually just assholes and lucas wasn't trying to use his cartoon to make a political statement
I seriously fucking doubt that. Lucas created the Empire to be the United States in his vision. He even related the Ewoks and the Rebel Alliance to the Vietcong.

Virtually nothing Hollywood puts out doesn't have political messaging buried in it.

>>87345645
>Lucas created the Empire to be the United States in his vision
source?
>He even related the Ewoks and the Rebel Alliance to the Vietcong.
they are both gorilla forces innawoods. that isn't political by itself.

>>87345463
You failed to explain how they are a religion. It's common for people to criticize them as such but beyond taking influences in dress and organizational structure, they aren't religious in the way that counts. The way you're trying to pain them as. They aren't indoctrinating people with false promises of salvation and connection to a mythical divine deity.

>it should be focusing on them as individuals
This is just a backpedal. They do both. They have mentors. They seek counseling from elders. Anakin is shown in counseling with Yoda. The vast majority of the Jedi order turn out fine. No they aren't perfect and Anakin is incredibly exceptional. His issues weren't over looked either. Many had concerns and they tried to take care of him as one would take care of a brother. In the end they weren't good enough to save him. Contrast this with the Sith. Palpatine corrupts Anakin, using his naivety to serve his own bidding with no care for Anakin's long term well being.

>the more correct term would be "collectivists"
The Jedi live as a commune. But that only applies to them. They allow and defend a pluralistic capitalist republic. They are a voluntary organization and for dedicating your life to the order, voluntarily, your housing, food, and other resources are provided for you. It's part of their mission.
>individualist sith in charge of a fascist organization
Like a sith, you're really twisting the words here. Any dictator himself is a individualist. Any dictatorship will have an individualist at the top. But they are the antithesis of individualist social structures. Palpatine isn't promoting the individualism of anyone but himself. Everyone else is a tool for him. Tyranus is a tool for him. The war is a tool for him and all the lives killed along the way. Maul was a tool for him. In all of the EU, the empire is shown as a pyramid.

>>87343088

Sith are cool, but the rule of two is utterly retarded

>>87345645
It is so glaringly obvious that the Empire is the Nazi. How does one miss this? It's got to be one of the most easily recognizable references in cinema. The galactic republic on the other hand is meant to resemble the UN and the US.

>>87343238
>having no emotion
>Obi wan gets pissed of and angry in all the prequels
>luke gets mad at vader

>>87343242
you have the worst opinions kike

>>87345771
Luke getting mad at Vader is him giving into the dark side.

>>87343149
both are from swotor you shit sucker

>>87345887
That was stupid
>I know we're evil galactic tyrants but if you kill us then you'll magically be an evil galactic tyrant too! Haha!
It's like on the level of kids on the playground saying "nuh uh I've got a forcefield"

>>87343088
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand str wars. The symbolism is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of Lucas anthropology most of the dialogue will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also sith's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from the old republic, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these visuals, to realise that they're not just awesome - they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Star Wars truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the depth in Phantom menace's existential catchphrase " You must have Jedi reflexes if you race pods." which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Luca's genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them.

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>>87345686
https://moviepilot.com/posts/3531258

He stated that the Ewoks were directly inspired by the barbaric and evil Viet Cong.

>>87345719
>They aren't indoctrinating people with false promises of salvation and connection to a mythical divine deity.
By that retarded standard, Buddhism isn't a religion. The Jedi are based off of mystical traditional beliefs and shamanism.

>Anakin is shown in counseling with Yoda.
You mean where Yoda completely missed that Anakin was in pain, and the Jedi lifestyle was destroying him because of their retarded forbidding of love and personal attachments? Yeah, what of it? Yoda didn't care about Anakin, and just regurgitated some mantras about being "calm" and shit.

>Palpatine corrupts Anakin, using his naivety to serve his own bidding with no care for Anakin's long term well being.
By promising to help the person Anakin loved. Palpatine was able to manipulate Anakin because he actually listened to him, unlike Yoda. It's really no wonder that he turned to the only guy who was willing to give a shit about his personal problems and be friendly and personable.

>Like a sith, you're really twisting the words here. Any dictator himself is a individualist. Any dictatorship will have an individualist at the top. But they are the antithesis of individualist social structures.
In other words: literally not a fucking individualist. Just because a dictator is an individual, does not make him an "individualist". An individualist recognizes and respects others as individuals that have rights. Only a collectivist society can produce a dictatorship, as those require a centralized state.

>>87345759
>It is so glaringly obvious that the Empire is the Nazi.
You seem to not know how to read. I stated why they are portrayed as "Nazis", and it isn't just for a WWII reference. George, like all leftists, hates the USA and thinks of it like they are the new "Nazis". The movies came after the 60s and the America-hating hippie movement.

>>87346055
>By that retarded standard, Buddhism isn't a religion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_(Buddhism)

>>87345235
>Communism is a economic ideology
>seize the means of production

Are you a fucktard?

>Not only did the Jedi largely stay out of politics

They resided on the absolute top of the most important planet in the galaxy and were send to diplomatic missions for past thousand years.
What do you call 'political' than this?

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>>87343088
Based Sith. You can use Jedi abilities as well. Also you don't NEED to be evil

>>87346042
Is this a copypasta?

>>87346251
Having the power they had, their role was reserved for peace keeping, diplomacy (basically advice and working toward cooperative solutions. They protected a representative republic with a capitalist ecnomic system.

Contrast that wtih the Sith who seat themselves as dictators over a non representative government.

>they resided at the top of the most important planet in the galaxy
So?

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>>87345731
Rule of One is worse. Glad it's no longer canon.
One Sith Lord with a bunch of weaker Sith at his command. Once he's dead the "Sith" are weakened.

>>87343190
>The only cool sith were vader and maul.
That's a weird way to spell Palpatine.

>>87346417
I saw it already in a couple of threads, so I copied it, started on a godzilla thread if i recall

>>87346479
>One Sith Lord with a bunch of weaker Sith at his command. Once he's dead the "Sith" are weakened.
like any group with a leader?

>>87346055
>America-hating hippy movement
The hippies opposed the war and empirialism and politically labeled anti-American by certain conservatives for this. You types are so far up your ass, you don't realize that you guys are now anti interventionist but can't admit you have that in common with the hippies.

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Jedi all day long

>>87346055
How old are you. Does your father not love you because he misunderstand your issues and doesn't always give you the advice you need? Grow up edgelord

>>87346544
No legit apprentices to take over as the main Dark Lord

Jedi
>claim to want balance in the force
>also want to kill every last Sith but are just fine having as many trained Jedi as they can find.

Jeri's are hypocritical fags by nature. If the Jedi really want balance, they'd kill themselves off until there's only one or two left.

In fact, here's the ultimate redpill that awaits you at the end of your Star Wars childhood obsession. The Sith, Jedi and force are all inherently retarded concepts, even as fictional ones, and they require a child's mind to entertain.

Star Wars is, has, and always will be nonsical garbage that is only outdone on the retarded scale by Harry Potter.

The end.

>>87346715
how can people be this fucking stupid

the jedi way is the "balanced path". wanting balance in the force means everyone acts detached and shit like the jedi.

stupid fuck.

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>>87346715
>here's the ultimate redpill that awaits you at the end of your Star Wars childhood obsession
It's pathetic that you didn't realize this was fantastical fiction even as a child and think this is some "ultimate redpill" to inform adults of.

>>87345159
Is that Rand Mcnallys mom?

>>87346804
This. People are really stupid and it's amazing to me that discussion of Star Wars (a relatively easy to follow and symbolically obvious series) teases this out.

The term "balance" to the Jedi means harmony. "Balance" to the Sith means about as much bad as their is good (although the Sith aren't actually concerned with this themselves). You should be able to judge which view is more worthy of support.

Why are Sith even considered an unified creed? They are most clearly defined by their opposition to Jedi Order, not by an unified vision.

>>87346875

For a comment that is so fucking dumb, I can't believe I laughed at it.

>>87346920
Ok, but is it?

>>87345263
But in Kotor 2 its not implied that they are the same? And their passivity makes them unable to protect the people, as proven by mandalorian wars.

>>87346946

Yes. Ayn Rand the novelist, is the mother of the company Rand Mcnally

>>87344470
They aren't allowed to have attachments, they were allowed to reproduce. My personal headcanon is that in order to ensure future Jedi they just froze their sperm and eggs and distributed them to infertile couples across the galaxy

>>87346977
>And their passivity makes them unable to protect the people, as proven by mandalorian wars.
and the entire galaxy would have fallen to the sith if the jedi didn't intervene, as proven by almost every iteration of star wars media that has ever existed.

>>87343088
Sith code is not inherently bad, but Siths end becoming cunts. I guess the Force must be inherently evil because it corrupts all its users unless they're devoid of any emotion

>>87343088
>Jedi
>W-we are the good guys, that's why we arrest this dude for following the wrong religion
>He doesn't need a trial either, we can just kill him right there
The Jedi were cunts. At least with a Sith you know what you get.

>>87345966
That's George's writing for you
Also SW is for kindergarden kids
Even Naruto is deeper than SW

>>87345584
It means to be in control of one's emotions and to not be a complete supergroup when have to solve problems

>>87346996
>getting cucked by a 10/10 jedi
Do you think their wives fantasize about jedi when their husbands make love to them?

>>87347038
I think he was going to be arrested due all the murder, corruption, theft etc he caused.

>>87347049
>supergroup
Uhhh... I meant sperg

>>87343088
>He doesn't know the Jedi are ending and the Gray Force wielders are coming

Jedi order failed, their ignorance of the Force brought about the creation of the Sith and ultimately the imabalance of the Force through Sith actions AND the fall of the Old Republic via Anakin turning to the dark side AND Kylo Ren turning to the dark side and destroying the Jedi academy. The dark side destroyed them because they refused to use it and learn its place in yourself.

Pure light side doesn't work.

Pure dark side doesn't work.

Each are horribly flawed and spawned of failed religious doctrines that failed to embrace the truth of the Force.

It is both. To be whole you MUST wield both. It's why Luke knows the Jedi have to end, they can't work. Their doctrines are ignorant of the truth.


"First comes the day
Then comes the night.
After the darkness
Shines through the light.
The difference, they say,
Is only made right
By the resolving of gray
Through refined Jedi sight."

Snoke chose Kylo as mentioned in be books BECAUSE he wields dark and light. Ahsoka left the Jedi and is now living in a Sith temple. And of course Bendu a true Gray Force wielder has appeared

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omI3HNA7Bv4

The Gray order is coming

>>87347074
>Uhhh... I meant sperg
dumb FUCKING PHONEPOSTER

DIE

>Oh, you got a nice Force sentient baby there, maam, let me take it. Wait youre resisting? well, die. Ha, and republic is even on my side in this, I love being a Jedi
How Jedi reclute other Jedi

>>87347072
Why were the Jedi arresting him? Can they just go around arresting people?
Don't they have a proper police force, you know, one in which it doesn't matter which religion you follow?

>>87343088
I legit value genuine fans of fast and furious more than starwuz retards

>>87347038
>we arrest this dude for following the wrong religion
It's not exactly the religion of peace now is it? And it's not just for following another religion but conspiracy to overthrow the republic and the representative form of government, fabricating an entire galactic wide war resulting in millions of lost lives, lots of tax payer money. Don't try to act like you know what you get with a Sith, they are conspiring, shady, little cunts.

>>87347102
>Why were the Jedi arresting him?
Sith, Jedi and any Force related arrestings fall under Jedi jurisdiccion
>Can they just go around arresting people?
They're keepers of the peace, they can arrest people who are trying to destroy said peace
>Don't they have a proper police force, you know, one in which it doesn't matter which religion you follow?
They do, they aren't prepared to deal with Sith, Jedi and any Force related issue though and that's why the republic laws have Jedi for that

>>87347100
>Force sentient
>reclute

Also:

>Nice force sensitive baby, wanna send him to a place where he'll get free room, board, education, and training to become a powerful telepathic laser sword wielding wizard?

Jedi seems more relaxed. With the Sith I'd actually have to do stuff. Sounds stressful

>>87347139
And if you watched the Clone Wars CGI show, actual killings, murder, theft, corruption, etc etc.

>>87347078
This is a retarded concept. There is only good and evil. This post-modernism GRRM grey-area bullshit needs to stop.

>>87347100
Where the fuck did you get that from? Anakin was recruited voluntarily. As far as I know all the kids are.

>>87347154
Oh please. All they had on Palpatine was that Anakin, a Jedi whom they didn't trust, told them that he was a Sith after the Jedi instructed him to spy on Palpatine.
If that is enough evidence to warrant an arrest I'd say the Republic was in dire need of change.

>>87347161
Read the comics, if the parents refused Jedi could take the kid by Force and the Republic was ok with it, in some comics Jedi killed the parents for trying to protect their children

>>87347182
nah man in between saving the poor and unfortunate you gotta eat some babies or else your shit will get all fucked up

>>87347203
If you go by the canon CGI show they had more, like way more, surprisingly (not really the plot demanded it) they never tried anything. Anakin's testimony was the straw who broke 20 billion camel's backs

>>87347088
I - have - a - fucking - job - cunt

>>87347182
The Force is BOTH aspects. To deny one over the other is to deny yourself and the Force.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDKnYb_-d34

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQFDh5fr9QY

>>87347182
>Thinking GRRM has anything to do with this

How dumb are you?

>>87347223
That's not what being Gray means.

Being Gray means you will embrace being a person and what you desire in life. Love, passions and even anger are acceptable and not feared. They will be whole human beings, not robots that break when the dark side gets inside them like the Jedi.

>>87347203
The Jedi had already suspected the chancellor. An arrest isn't a sentence. But Palpatine in that moment proved his identity when he pulled out his lightsaber and also through the dialogue. Windu intended to make an arrest and have him plead his case but Sideous proceeded to kill his fellow Jedi brothers. Jedi are SUPPOSED to operate not on emotion. Emotion got the better of Windu and honestly he would have been doing everyone a favor to kill Sideous but honestly the outcome may not have really changed. I don't think Sideous was ever in any real danger. It was all part of his plan to turn Anakin. At the beginning of Episode 3, he begs Anakin to kill Dooku without a trial. Anakin afterward deeply regrets it commenting that he should not have done that and it wasn't right. He should have stood trial. I believe this effected his decision with Windu. Unfortunately, he didn't fully appreciate the danger of his lawful neutral position in that exceptional moment until it was too late.

>>87347207
Which comics? It's honestly a good thing Disney canned a lot of the EU. Some of that shit is garbage and a lot of it contradictory.

>>87347360
>That's not what being Gray means.
okay so for example: if i get really angry at a frogposter and want to murder them i should accept my feelings and murder the frogposter or should i deny my murderous emotions like a jedi would?

>>87347360
>Being Gray means you will embrace being a person and what you desire in life. Love, passions and even anger are acceptable and not feared.
That's literally part of Sith philosophy

>>87347330
The dumb show based on his books have made it even more popular of a concept that trying to be good is too radical or impossible but being a shithead is the norm to accept.

>>87347393
Disney's new shit is arguably a lot worse.

Except Rogue One. I kinda liked that.

>>87347362
>Emotion got the better of Windu
No, Jedi have standing orders to kill the Sith due to all the Sith wars and what not. They aren't treated like citizens.

Anakin wasn't trying to do the right thing by sparing him, he wanted him alive so he could be taught how to save Padme.

Destroying the Sith has been a veeeery long upheld thing by the Jedi. The problem however is that the Sith only exist because of the Jedi persecuting their beliefs and exiling them from the Jedi to begin with long ago. The new movie will probably even have Luke talk about that with Rey and say how they both shared the same roots and had they not persecuted the Sith...everything could have been different.

>>87347434
Agreed. The EU has been all over the place.

>>87347408
You should accept your feelings and maybe even let them decide your actions toward the person without murdering them.
>>87347410
>That's literally part of Sith philosophy
Correct.

Jedi deny themselves and thus hurt themselves.

The new order of Force wielders will be more like normal people that simply wish to do good in general while wielding both sides of the Force. Because they recognize the concept of order. They'll love, get angry and maybe get in fights but they'll never go crazy and kill someone over a post on the internet because they are also full of the light as well. They will probably be independent of the Republic too and their own faction.

Jedi and Sith are each half of the answer.

>>87347439
>The problem however is that the Sith only exist because of the Jedi persecuting their beliefs and exiling them from the Jedi to begin with long ago
>telling someone to fuck off when they start acting evil makes it your fault they became evil
>they also would never have been evil if you didn't throw them in the trash for being evil

>>87347544
>You should accept your feelings and maybe even let them decide your actions toward the person without murdering them.
sounds like exactly what the jedi do.

which is recognize bad emotions and don't act on them.

>>87347553
Using the dark side isn't evil.

You can use it to jump, to lift a chair or see the future. None of these things are evil in and of themselves. There are even natural formations of dark side energy and animals that run around with a connection to it. None of it is evil.

Jedi banished them out of fear and proceeded to persecute them when they should have been working together with them to better understand the Force.

>The Last Jedi

They are dying because Luke knows they don't work, they breed themselves weak to the dark side and create darksiders like Sith, Vaders and Kylo Rens because of this.

>>87347628
>which is recognize bad emotions and don't act on them
The new order WILL act on them. Guy is being an asshole? Probably force throw him in the dumpster outside.

Not something the Jedi would do.

Sith would just kill them. Gray are the middle ground and more like a normal person because they are whole.

>>87347698
you know sith don't immediately jump to murder right?

inflicting pain on someone who displeased you is 100% sith. remember when the emperor was force zapping luke to death slowly for keks instead of just throwing HIM down the the pit?

>>87347790
Missing the point, Sith would take severe action. Torture/murder are both fucked up even if one is worse than the other.

Jedi do nothing.

Grays will get rid of him and teach him a lesson that won't give him nightmares for the rest of his life or kill him.

And yes, sometimes, Sith do jump straight to murder.

>>87347790
>And yes, sometimes, Sith do jump straight to murder.
You see Vader straight up kill people in the films when they fail him.

>>87347860
>Missing the point, Sith would take severe action
violence IS a severe action. you aren't justified physically harming someone just because they made you angry.

>Jedi do nothing
i guess we're just ignoring that the jedi are galactic peacekeepers right?

>>87347939
yeah and you see sidious straight up not do that like i just said in the movies too. or how about how dooku only maimed anakin instead of murdering him?

>>87347993
>i guess we're just ignoring that the jedi are galactic peacekeepers right?
>Being an asshole is a crime

Sorry, man. No.

And Dooku tries to kill Anakin on other occasions

Like I said the point was the Sith and pure dark siders go for extreme violence. Jedi can't do anything about someone being rude without getting in trouble themselves. Grays will be that big brother that looks out for everyone and nobody wants to fuck with because he'll knock you on your ass.

>>87343190
>implying any type of life form in a universe where resources are scarce isn't going to benefit from being passionate > pacifist.
>implying the Jedi aren't some sort of religious cult that want to deny what evolution has given them.

Let's take both sides to logical extreme:
>Everyone is tranquil and pacifist as fuck. No one has any desires to do anything and there's no need to defend yourself or do anything at all really because emotions = evil.
>Die out.
vs.
>Your body is giving you all kinds of signals of what it wants. Makes you angry, sad, jealous, the whole shebang.
>Have a healthy equilibrium of opposing forces to determine who is the strongest and to generate progress to overcome competiton.
>Survive.

Also, if jedi are such pacifist, then why train for warfare and 1v1 combat anyway?

The Jedi would of been better if they accepted that emotion is part of life and you must learn to use it constructively.

The Jedi mantra sounds like YOU MUST BE BORING AS POSSIBLE TO BE GOOD, species naturally thrive for more, not stagnate

>>87347993
Dooku doesnt kilo Anakin on his master orders

>>87348050
>Being an asshole is a crime
not all assholes are criminals but all criminals are assholes. laws are basically just trying to prevent assholes from fucking other people over, aren't they?

not to mention that jedi order has actively defended the republic from shit like mandalorians and sith for millennia.

>And Dooku tries to kill Anakin on other occasions
when did he actually try to kill anakin in earnest? and what about when vader gives luke a reprieve when he tries to convert him to the dark side? why did vader not just murder him since that's all siths can do according to you? or is vader not a sith now? why did sidious support vader trying this? is sidious not a sith?

you're really trying hard to make this deeper than it is when it's actually completely binary:

>jedi gets angry
>thinks better of it and refuses to let the anger control them
>sith gets angry
>doesn't think better of it, and lets the anger make them do anything from assault to murder

there is literally no middle ground of "sort of give into your negative emotions" because that's just "giving into your negative emotions"

>>87348329
>Everyone is tranquil and pacifist as fuck. No one has any desires to do anything and there's no need to defend yourself or do anything at all
except that isn't what the jedi do? why did the jedi fight in the fucking war then? they are a WARRIOR ORDER WHO TRAIN IN COMBAT AND CALL THEMSELVES KNIGHTS.

>Have a healthy equilibrium of opposing forces to determine who is the strongest and to generate progress to overcome competiton.
that's not the "logical extreme of the sith". the logical extreme of the sith is full on berserker murder rage mode.

>Also, if jedi are such pacifist, then why train for warfare and 1v1 combat anyway?
because they aren't?

>>87343088
sith, id rather be a slave to emotion than a slave to some other cunts rules

>>87348535
>except that isn't what the jedi do? why did the jedi fight in the fucking war then? they are a WARRIOR ORDER WHO TRAIN IN COMBAT AND CALL THEMSELVES KNIGHTS.

They're a hypocritical religious cult.

>that's not the "logical extreme of the sith". the logical extreme of the sith is full on berserker murder rage mode.
If everyone is very violent and forceful in the things they do, that means that trying to fuck someone up means you could lose your own life. There is balance in having two equal forces try to push eachother.

>because they aren't?
I'll give you that one. My apologies for using a strawman.

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>>87343088
>no grey jedi choice

>>87346462
>their role was reserved for peace keeping, diplomacy

Then they were shit at it. Regardless of Sith meddling, Sith themselves couldn't deteriorate the situation so badly that majority of outer rim rose up against the republic The people on the outside had legitimate grievances, and Jedi stood against separation.
Jedi openly chose sides and then they coopted existing military structures and you had fourteen year old kids given rank of general and power over veteran defense forces.

Look at today's situation in US - you have a side that thinks that the other one wants to kill all blacks and the other side who thinks that their opponents are baby killers. Do you want a bunch of religious maniacs to jump in, pick side, chop off shitload of limbs, call it diplomacy and then fuck off to their ivory tower at the top of the world.
Order 66 was well deserved, even in the frame of a canon.

>>87348352
>The Jedi mantra sounds like YOU MUST BE BORING AS POSSIBLE TO BE GOOD
except the jedi mantra is actually don't let your emotions control you and make you do shitty things, not don't feel any emotions ever. the sith mantra is the opposite (let your emotions run wild and do whatever you want).

remember when obi-wan was getting all choked up after seeing anakin murder children? did he just go murder anakin like a sith would? did he just go looking to murder the people responsible for making anakin kill children like a sith would?

nope. obi-wan went to mustafar to save anakin because he loved him.

>They're a hypocritical religious cult.

how are they hypocritical? they only use violence to stop violence. is every police force hypocritical?

if the jedi way was never use violence, then they wouldn't train to fight. at no point do they claim to be pacifists. you can say they'd LIKE to be pacifists but you've already admitted that doesn't exactly work in practice.

>If everyone is very violent and forceful in the things they do, that means that trying to fuck someone up means you could lose your own life. There is balance in having two equal forces try to push eachother.
you are literally confusing chaos for balance.

>>87348853
>>87348642
fuck

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>Is ok when the Jedi kill his own padawans

>>87348912
context?

>>87348329
I remember in the EU the jedi aren't really described as a force of good. The are more described as a force of nature. They are not trained to swoop in and save people and be "heros". They are trained to keep a balance. They intervene when there is a threat of genocide or some other systematic evil that upsets the balance. Otherwise they leave things alone.

That is why they have to keep a cool head. To think about things rationally and not make rash decisions based on their urges.

That is what they aspire to do anyways. They are funded by the government so their motives are also affected by politics.

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>>87343207
agreed

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>>87343088
>That Sith philosophy

>>87348938
A group of Jedi killed their Padawans to avoid the resurgence of the Sith

they made that massacre because of visions they had

read the KOTOR comics for more information

>>87348853
Jedi are slaves and servants, they can't use the Force for themselves and only for and in service to others.

The Grays won't be like that.

Grays are BEYOND Jedi, they are enlightenment. They understand that living and being true to your own feelings and desires are important, the Force doesn't have them for no reason at all.Grays will know this and no longer be robot slaves or strive to be robot slaves.

They will live the Force will live through them.

>>87348938
They are lightsiders and a saw a vision of one of their Padawans becoming a Sith Lord and ushering in a new Sith order and empire that causes war throughout the galaxy.

So they decided they had to kill their Padawans to prevent this from happening

They fucked up and misunderstood their visions. The Sith that come to be are Revan and Malak.

>>87349214
>they can't use the Force for themselves and only for and in service to others
>jedi don't use the force to achieve nirvana basically

now you're just being disingenuous

>Grays will know this and no longer be robot slaves or strive to be robot slaves.
again you're not looking at what the jedi actually do. they have desires which are protecting peace and goodness in the galaxy and achieving harmony of spirit.

if you don't have the desire to be a good person then i can understand why you don't "get" the jedi.

>>87349096
>>87349285
sounds like they let their fear control their actions. guess they should have followed the rule book.

>>87343149
>t. Edgelord

>jedi
>strive as much as you can to be good and do good. even then you might fail, but you still have to try.
>grayfag
>being a good person is too hard so why bother? just do whatever lmao. morals are for plebs.
>sith
>cause as much pain and suffering because that gives you the easiest power boost

>>87349366
>now you're just being disingenuous
No, that's as said by Lucas.

Enlightenment isn't just for themselves, that's about peace and connecting with the Force rather than "using it"
>again you're not looking at what the jedi actually do. they have desires which are protecting peace and goodness in the galaxy and achieving harmony of spirit.
And they fail.

They fail BECAUSE they reject the Dark Side. Yoda was only able to attain the near-immortality Force ghost technique by ACCEPTING the dark side within himself. That technique they are using is THROUGH not being pure light side.

The opposite, the dark side technique is likely what Plagueis and Snoke are using. The ability to sustain flesh permanently. The opposite of the spectrum.

Each are flawed and not whole.
>It's time for the Jedi to end.

Straight from Luke. Why? Because their inability to accept the dark side forever destroyed them...literally.

A new order that accepts the Force in its entirety will be built up. They will be far better and beyond the Jedi.

>No Grey
Pleb condition/10

Jedi
>Muh emotion suppression, muh no action, muh faith, muh virginity, muy obedience to the system
Sith
>Muh hate, muh edgyness, muh rage, muh power

Both are retarded
Anyone who studies a bit of deeper oriental things knows that Yin and Yang are both sides of the same things, and the best way to go is balance in perfect harmony
Jedi just sit there with arms crossed while Sith only care for murdering as much people as possible. None of them is really free.
A perfect moral force user would know that the dark side can be used for good without being an edgelord, it channels emotion instead of negating it.