/tpg/ - Twin Peaks General

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>>87341520
1st for jumping man

>Judy
>Joo-day
>Judea

IT WAS THE JEWS ALL ALONG. KIKES CONTROL THE LODGE.

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this is mrs tremond's grandson

say something nice about him

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Reminder that talking about Judy was a mistake

Can someone please explain to me what happened with Julee Cruise? I stopped going on the internet when I saw people saying she posted a spoiler on Facebook and now I'm seeing people saying shes a loon?

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>I've seen you in a dream.
;_;

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>>87341520
Vedderfriends were right all along

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6YaWWnJXBY

Real talk: Would Pete have still died in a bank explosion if Laura never died?

HOLY SHIT, EVERYONE!

SCOOBY DOO EXPLAINED THIS

https://youtu.be/WJ-8cn7LGoQ

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED IN THE ENDING

>>87341564
It's all in the hips

>>87341564
fell a victim

>>87341571
One of my favorite scenes in the whole series.

>NON-EXIST-ANT

What did he mean by this? Who was he talking about?

>>87341534
I am so happy your back

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>>87341571
I hope we never get a S4 for the sole purpose that every time this series is expanded Laura's life and suffering becomes worse and worse.

I just want her to find peace ;___;

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So should I kill myself now that its over? Or will Frosts book tie me over? Maybe I will find out all the answers in death.

Where did Laura go at the end of Part 17?

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>>87341615
*you're

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He did appear in the finale & you all mocked me; I knew he would appear in Season 3 before it ended, I saw it in a dream.

>>87341570
https://www.alternativenation.net/twin-peaks-julee-cruise-calls-finale-slap-face-emperor-david-lynch/

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>>87341209
>two birds one stone
>Laura/Carrie = two birds
>one stone to break Judy

God it finally clicked. I feel so fucking stupid

Reposting

>Am I the only person who both thinks that the ending was Carrie waking up, hence the exploding lights of the house, but also doesn't think that waking up had anything to do with Laura in 1989?

>I understood it as Carrie hearing Sarah's voice, making her remember her other self as Laura Palmer, and that "waking her up", causing her reality to come crashing down as she realizes she's basically two people.

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>>87341590
We've all been lynched from the start

>>87341586
Might have happened under different circumstances, you can't escape fate. Which is why I think Cooper's mission to try and save Laura is pointless.

>>87341574
You forgot.
>Chet and Sam come to drink coffee and kick ass and they're all out of coffee.

>>87341570
Lynch treats everyone who isn't a tall beautiful white women as shit.

>>87341619
wait for based Frost

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>>87341616
>actually alive now hanging out with a FBI agent
>has pretty good odds of continuing to live for a while
her life is way better now

It's a huge mess. The biggest single thing that bothers me is that this whole thing could've been (at most) a 3-hour movie. Maybe even a 2-hour movie. There's no there there -- this is a very empty show. I think there's a very good chance that Lynch is just F'ing with us.

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Look at how fantastic the original film looks; it's charming, and has plenty of depth. Then the next, they have to filter and crop it to match the cancer 16:9 digital, and it loses any original semblance and looks terrible - even the clouds are muddled to nothing! But then the digital itself looks even worst, like spew.
How could Lynch let this happen? I understand something like Inland Empire, where he started experimenting with digital and then made a film. But if you're going to include scenes of the original run, why not shoot on film? Sure, the budget would be more and thus less episodes, but lets not pretend that a shorter season would have been somehow worst - the first season of Twin Peaks was just 8 episodes, after all.
I firmly believe that The Return could have been done better as a film, with more finesse and effort in a tighter script. The budget would have been better spent, too.

>>87341647
>>87341648
These two are the most correct theories I've seen on here so far

>>87341590
I live stream all the Scooby-Doo episodes, every incarnation of the series including Scrappy. Want the link? It's on YT

>>87341615
Also, thanks.

>>87341590

jesus do we live in a dream? Also weird that shaggies voice actor is hasting in the return

>>87341639
We knew from the Russian spoilers for weeks, dumbass.

>>87341668
>FBI agent who has realized all his assumed knowledge from his past dimension is false/unreliable, doesn't know who he himself is, and who is slowly being consumed by existential terror

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This is getting pathetic now. Accept your fate /tpg/, these threads are dead and will die. it's just the same shitty memes posted over and over again. The show isn't that good to warrant a permanent thread after it's all over. It would be like me trying to start generals for Diagnosis Murder and Northern Exposure.

Is it true that Alice Tremond was the woman who owns the house in real life? Her acting was perfect, incredibly spoopy.

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Here's my interpretation, picking up from where things are obvious:

>Cooper, Diane, and Cole visit the basement of the Great Northern, where Cooper uses his old room key to visit Jeffries
Jeffries sends Cooper back in time, where he intercepts Laura on the night of her murder, seemingly saving her (the corpse disappears, Pete goes fishing, etc.)
>But as Cooper is leading her through the woods, she disappears and screams; my interpretation is that she hasn’t yet been saved / Judy found a way to get to her again
>Cooper returns to the lodge, unsuccessful
>He leaves the lodge, and meets Diane (he told her to ‘meet him at the curtain call’)
>The two drive to a threshold into another, alternate reality (Fireman/Giant tells him to “remember 430” miles)
>Cooper wakes up without Diane, but sees a note about Richard and Linda—those names are clues that the Fireman/Giant gave him in episode 1, so he knows he’s on the right track
>He drives to Judy’s coffee shop, then tracks down the other waitress, who is Laura—only she has a memory of another life
>He brings her to her house to confront Sarah Palmer, who’s possessed by Judy, and has been since that evil bug crawled into her mouth when she was a girl
>Instead, they find a woman who says her name is Tremond; she also says she and her husband bought the house from Chalfont; these are the names of the evil lodge spirits who resemble a grandmother with her grandson in FWWM, which tips you off that the lodge spirits are obscuring Judy / the fact that Coop is at the right place in this reality
>All seems confused/lost, but Laura hears her mother calling for her, and she suddenly realizes who she really is
I interpret the lights going out as the arrival of Judy; it’s obviously unclear what happens next, as the episode ends

>>87341668
FOR THE LAST TIME CARRIE AND LAURA ARE NOT THE SAME PERSON

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>>87341520
I hate to say it, but season 3 is like the Star Wars prequels. Lynch has gone full Lucas.

>...actually, Laura's mom was possessed too! And Laura was born from a Dragonball created by the Fireman! Coop has to go back in time to save her, but he doesn't... or does he? Who fucking cares lmao!

Showtime gives this guy a blank check and this is what he comes up with? The entire 18 hour nothingburger was banking 100% on the ending, which turned out to be empty and unsatisfying. Fuller House for pseuds.

>>87341520
i wish i was that good looking

>>87341731
I thought they went to the plant that James and OPL work at?

>>87341736
Carrie is literally Laura without her memories in an alternate timeline dreamed by Judy

>>87341520
This scene was completely unnecessary. It was just a power trip fantasy

>>87340655
If it happened I'd just want the following:
>Cooper will end up saving Laura for good, that's the whole journey.
>Collaboration from the Sheriff Department because they travel to Jack Rabbit's Palace on the second date specified by Briggs
>The second missing page of Laura Palmer's diary is found
>The "Mother"/Judy is defeated from within Sarah Palmer
>It's just a miniseries or two hour movie, not 18 hours

>>87341754
They work at the great northern, doing security
They're supposed to check out the boiler room / basement

>>87341736
Linda/ Richard are different from Cooper/ Diane but Carrie is just Laura put in a different reality by Judy and without her memories.

>>87341648
Yeah this pretty fucking obvious. Not only two people but a murder/rape victim who has ascended into heaven and brought down to kill an ancient inter-dimensional eldritch elder god who lay an egg in earth to reproduce (arguably) and possess her mother, the queen of all evil spirits wrecking havoc in earth. She's also the only hope of saving the only pure place in the spiritual realm and there's no time left.

Yeah, I'd scream pretty hard too.

Twin Peaks is a perfect show in my mind. Even Season 2's James subplot has been redeemed by the third season.

This is a show I'll probably rewatch again and again throughout the years.

>>87341675
That's my only real gripe this season. They should have shot on film for the sole reason that they included so many flashbacks using old footage when it was shot on film. The new season looked nice in its own right, but it looked out of place.

>>87341682
>>87341647
>cooper wants to kill Laura/Carrie with Judy
what?

>>87341779
>Even Season 2's James subplot has been redeemed by the third season.
literally how

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>>87341616
>tfw Cooper ruined her finally being at peace at the end of the movie by trying to save her
Or is it possible that this still happens?

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>>87341520
Another minor gripe from this season. I desired further exposition on the fate of young Chet.

>>87341736
They have the same Laura soul. Ep. 8.
Therefore she's Laura, not only that but she explicitly remembers her mother. Fuck off.

>>87341785
the flashbacks make you miss film all the more

>>87341764
You do know it was cut, right?

>>87341806
he put the ring he found on and disappeared

So Wally Brando is Andy and Lucy's real son and they are legitimately retarded?

>>87341675
You are a fucking moron, an absolute fucking moron. You act like you know things, then proceed to pull it out of your ass. Do you really not realize how long it would have took to film and edit this entire thing had they went with film? Do you realize how much money it would have took? Lynch is an old man, who likes long takes and loves to see what he's shooting as it's being shot.

also, you're wrong about Inland Empire. He didn't set out to shoot a film on low res video. It just ended up happening like that because he shot a few irrelevant scenes for his website, then he came up with a scene that connected them together and it was too late to reshoot.

So why does Cooper try to go back to save Laura?

Laura's been dead for 25 years. If anyone deserved a happy ending it was Coop. show should have ended with the destruction of bob in ep 17. push that event to ep 18, have bob cooper and the sheriff's department gang go out to the forest where Briggs led them to the vortex as part of some last ditch plan/trap set by bob to lure dale back into the lodge, only to be foiled by Dale in a triumphant moment. We waited 25 years and 16 episodes just to watch the important plotline wrap way too quickly and conveniently so that Lynch could spend the home stretch retconning his waifu back from the grave. And for what? What service to the story was it to bring back Laura? Now everything's fucked.

and don't even get me started on the Judy plot tie-in. We're not gonna talk about Judy.

>>87341802

James has always been cool.

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Rise and shine, Agent Cooper. Rise and shine...Not that I wish to imply you have been sleeping on the job. No one is more deserving of a rest, and all the effort in the world would have gone to waste until...well, let's just say your hour has come again.

>>87341704

When I saw this
>>87341649
I thought it was just a coincidence but holy shit

Same for the Jojo's Stone Ocean/Twin Peaks ending, with the new timeline and the fucking with horse being Maid in Heaven

>>87341850
Half Life 3 when?

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>mentioned Twin Peaks S3 to a friend back when the show is first starting up
>he texts me on Friday and says he's completely caught up, wants to know if I can wait until labor day to watch the two-parter with him and his gf

>the last episode is one of the most gut-wrenching things I've ever seen
>him and his gf keep scoffing and saying "oh, WHAT" every time something happens that isn't explicitly explained immediately
>"dude, this means there's going to be another season next year, right?"

I should have just stayed home.

Ok so what was the coordinates that mr.c was trying to find? What happened to richard?

>>87341829
yeah but they still filmed it

>>87341742

Sarah was possessed Since season 2, when she talks to Major Briggs

In the end, Lynch wasted millions of dollars filming whatever the fuck he wanted to while only slightly giving people bits and pieces of the Twin Peaks they wanted.

>>87341869
You can't watch this kind of thing with normies. I'm actually amazed they made it this deep.

>>87341869
>"dude, this means there's going to be another season next year, right?"

Well, he's not wrong about that one.

>>87341869
If they're not familiar with Lynch or his spirituality and style this reaction isn't really out of the ordinary.

>>87341836
Yeah, didn't you see the original season with the whole baby subplot?

>>87341731
With the current information that we have this is the only correct interpretation for me. There are various details that need to expanded like what happened to the "Original/Real" world , who's Judy? the Bug or the Mother (or both) and why's Laura so important but without more information from Lynch these can't be answered.

>>87341803
I think it's a vision of something that could happen.
Remember Andy's vision - he saw the '6' in Odessa Texas, so that was part of it in some way.
But he also saw the angels beside Laura.

>>87341827
It made me miss the old show more than anything and wish more was made 20+ years ago instead of having to wait for everyone to get old and wrinkly.

>>87341832
This is the exact kind of totally new information I was looking for. Thank you so much, you stupid fucking cretin.

>>87341799
it'd be a play on words of the original idiom

he doesn't say "kill", just "two birds. one stone". You're led to think it means just accomplishing two things at the same time, but here the clue means the ratio 2:1, specifically two personas to the one body. The idiom's still implied though, so the stone still does the killing and is used to defeat Judy

everything is not as it seems

>>87341893
Fuck what the audience wants. If everyone got what they wanted, they'd be bored as shit and there'd be no surprise or shock. It's about creators giving audiences what they didn't know they wanted. Sometimes creators go overboard, but when they're on the money, it's beautiful.

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This was Lynch's wife btw

I waited 25 fucking years to find out "How's Annie?" And I never fucking got an answer.

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A cute maid appears!

>lynch makes a sequel movie
>it's a prequel story about why Wilson's boss hates him

>when you build up a plotline for 16 eps but decide to completely change the focus in the last two hours

>>87341850
this

>>87341843
I think the ending was more about Coop's character and how he fucked everything up by trying to save everyone. Evil/Judy still exists and now Coop is stuck in some alt universe world.

The way Carrie repeated "Sarah" to Cooper sounded exactly like Maddie said it.

>>87341742
>Laura was born from a Dragonball
Incorrect interpretation. Laura is a normal human being. The Giant directly taps to ascension (heaven) and brings Laura back to help against Judy, she starts by greeting Cooper and sending him on his way.

>>87341868
Literally never.

>>87341520
Reminder that this franchise is shit because it makes no sense and is therefore meaningless and without artistic value. Only redditors will disagree.

If everyone that wears the ring meets a horrible fate ( Teresa, Chet, Dougie, Booper) , why did Mike insist on Laura to wear the ring?

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>>87341977
A cute maid disappears!

>>87341843
This

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>>87341895

They just wanted to see Cooper wake up. The entire sequence at the sheriff's station where everyone shows up and they all have a laugh together was exactly how they expected it to end.

I recommended they try the X-Files revival series.

>>87341869
>Watch every episode with my mom
>She watched the show back in the 90's and for some reason let her then 9 year old son stay in the room while she watched the reruns on cable
>She doesn't understand anything going on in the new series
>Any time a new character shows up she immediately asks me who they are as if I know
>She slowly enjoys the Dougie scenes as time goes on but generally only seems to be excited when the original music plays or we see any of the old characters in Twin Peaks

It's both annoying and depressing knowing that someone who enjoyed the original got almost no enjoyment out of this new season because Lynch couldn't control himself.

>>87341997
>I think the ending was more about Coop's character and how he fucked everything up by trying to save everyone. Evil/Judy still exists and now Coop is stuck in some alt universe world.

This is true. The fireman/giant was tweaking things for the bigger picture (stopping judy). Coop was just focused on saving Laura which fucked him over. The fireman warned him, but he didn't listen.

The Phillip Jeffries 8 with the moving black dot wasn't for nothing. Cooper fell through a whole in infinity and ended up in an alternate dimension.

>>87342015
Can someone post the one punch man bob finale battle?

>>87341838
>Do you really not realize how long it would have took to film and edit this entire thing had they went with film? Do you realize how much money it would have took?
Yes, hence bringing up the fact it wouldn't be 18 episodes in such case.
>Lynch is an old man, who likes long takes and loves to see what he's shooting as it's being shot
Boo, hoo. He's shot on film before, and he could have done it again. What exactly is your argument? You're the one pulling things out of your ass.
>He didn't set out to shoot a film on low res video
Where exactly did I claim any such thing, huh?

>>87341958
glad you noticed it

>>87341919
There was speculation at the first half of the season as to why Lucy and Andy got even more retarded this season.
Some theories included that kLucy was mentally stuck 25 years ago because the baby died, The photo on her desk was shooped, she didn't understand modern technology, and Wally was just a shitty actor. But actually they're just retarded and have a weird son, ok good. She understand cell phones now XD

I unironically, one hundred percent require that there be a twin peaks season 4.

So even if Coop saved Laura from dying that night, she still would have been killed. I feel like her realization at the end is that she's doomed to be raped and murdered by her father.

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>tfw I didn't enjoy the ending, but the normies didn't either and got BTFO yet again

Based Lynch taking it to these normies and brainlets.

>>87341970
Oh shit m8. You have effectively mindcucked me. I've been posting the theory of two birds being Richard and Linda and the stone being Laura/Page. But you have effectively destroyed that, I gotta think this more thoroughly.

Two souls, one body.
Unless it means two things at the same time. Shit man, I don't know what to think anymore.

>>87341912
Lynch has said time and time again, everything about the film is in the film.
We don't need to know shit about Lynch.

>>87341668
>caused reality to short circuit destroying the universe and everything within it
>"way better now"

>>87342089
Not happening. Lynch is too old.

>>87342017
She was about to meet an even more horrible fate (becoming Bob's vessel)

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>>87342123
Doesn't matter, make it happen.

>>87342123
>replied to a tripfag

>>87341785
>The new season looked nice in its own right
I think it's low effort, like some other aspects of this season (the lighting, the sets, the script, the CG)I. Maybe is was budget, maybe it was time constrains, or maybe Lynch just having fun, but it simply isn't as high a quality work compared to the original run of the show, or his films.

>>87341675
4:3 is superior and I'm so grateful that Lynch didn't reframe the blu rays

>>87341979
That's what bugged me the most.

I think the ending would be better if it was more clear how tf they were planning to kill Judy.

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>>87342021

DELET

>>87342089
>>87342121

>Tripfagging

Fuck off Plebbitor

How's Annie?

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Just got around to watching.

Coop/Diane are Richard/Linda in this "new reality"
Out of sand has meaning for both Audrey and Cooper (who I was I will never be again)
Cooper had the doppelganger made to give Dougie back to them, but made himself a martyr in the process (can't climb to heaven on a cross/he's permanently lost "what year is this")
In this timeline created by Cooper when he rescued past Laura, Cooper doesn't belong in Twin Peaks and neither does Laura.

It was called The Return, but neither of them can ever really return home. We've been Lynched in the best manner possible.

Okay, so what the fuck happened to Judy?

And what the fuck happened to Audrey?

And what the fuck was up with Sarah's DO YOU REALLY WANT TO FUCK WITH THIS moment?

How can people not enjoy being LYNCHED? It's the best feeling to me.

>>87342140
>wanting hard answers
plebbery
The finale is fine enough once you take the time to think it over the plot and themes a bit. Any more would ruin how good it is, even if it is ambiguous.

>>87342123
David Lynch is only 71. That really isn't that old anymore. Especially not for Hollywood people.

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>>87342162
PUT IT DOOOOOOOWN

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The satisfying conclusion, Lynch... hand it over.

>They still can't get over the fact that people understand the ending but thought it was shit.

>>87342167
No, that's incorrect.

>>87342061
>Boo, hoo
funny enough, the person here boo hooing is you because of MUH FILM GRAIN
I would rather have what we have, rather than wasting time on something people are just still going to find things to whine about
>wah the cinematography isn't as good as the original! widescreen ruins the atmosphere! wah!

>Dedicated to Jack Nance

I had a huge smile on my face at that credits roll. Seeing Pete get to go fishing, with no murdered girl on the shore, was so comfy. I think it was a really special way to include him in the ending and honor his legacy. I really liked the guy and thought we would'nt see him. Love how Lynch handled David Bowie too.

So the story is all about cooper repeatedly fucking up in trying to save Laura for whatever reaspn.

Why doesn't coop just stay in the real world and live his life?

>>87342017
The ring prevents Bob from possessing your body, but also leads you to the Black Lodge.
Being in the black lodge was considered a better fate than Bob possessing Laura's body

>>87342123
This season took five years to make starting from Lynch and Frost brainstorming in 2012 to the actual release in 2017, even if a new one would take as much time it would still make Lynch a 76 years old, people with that much money usually live longer than that

>>87342169
>Okay, so what the fuck happened to Judy?
She's in Sarah and likely prevented Cooper from fully bringing Laura back, that's why she was Carrie in the alternate reality.
>And what the fuck happened to Audrey?
Hell if anyone knows
>And what the fuck was up with Sarah's DO YOU REALLY WANT TO FUCK WITH THIS moment?
That was Judy eating someone's face off

>>87342156
2.35:1 or similar cinematic ratios are also good, and make great landscape shots. 16:9 is the real cancer ratio

>>87342218
You think the fireman would allow that?

>>87342149
There were plenty of great shots/moments this season.

>>87342185
I get it, I get how it's about trauma and how you can't undo abuse and how the show is about laura's agony

I get it but I hate it.
>wanting hard answers
The amount of time I've wasted on this board defending lost, I don't want hard answers. I want a conclusion. This """ending""" didn't conclude anything, it ended on a cliffhanger. Audrey's arc was a cliffhanger. Laura, Sarah and Cooper's arcs were cliffhangers. Cliffhangers are not conclusions

What year is this?

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>>87342167
>veddorfriends were actually right all along
>but got too butthurt and ran away before they could see they were right

>>87342262

AHHHHHHHHHH

>>87342222
Most people don't smoke like Lynch does either. Look what happened to Frank Zappa

>Coop now lost in an alternate dimension where his old self never existed

Does this mean Vedderfags were right the whole time?

what's the deal with Mrs. Chalfont / Tremond exactly?

is she the spirit and the inhabitant like MIKE and Phillip Michael Gerard?

But seriously.


What was the point of any of the episodes before 15? Its not like anything going on has any relevance. 80% of the plots are just dropped in the end. No kind of resolution at all. So why did those episodes exist?

>>87341568
At least they made a pun out of it.

Why is everyone assuming that Sarah is possessed by Judy herself? They showed Jumping Man's face overlayed with Sarah's, the jumping man nose showed up behind her face and if she is indeed the girl who ate the but in 1956, the bug came out of an egg that was birthed by Judy. Everything points to Sarah being possessed by the Jumping Man, who is one of Judy's children

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>>87342214
Once again, not an argument to be found. You're simply stating your (shit) opinion instead of addressing a single one of my points, and spewing fallacies. You're the "absolute fucking moron", not me.

So the bug crawling in the girl's mouth was Judy taking over a young Sarah, right?

So how about Bob who was shown as a bead/marble on Judy? He was apparently taken over as a little boy, not a teenager or young adult.

>>87342239
>>And what the fuck was up with Sarah's DO YOU REALLY WANT TO FUCK WITH THIS moment?
>That was Judy eating someone's face off


I have my own observation about Sarah/Judy. Sarah is drinking judy's control away for years. The fact that she's at a Bar to get alcohol might imply that's she's run out which is why Judy had control to kill. Every other time we saw sarah she was at home drinking herself into oblivion.

>>87341520
Apparently Coop was supposed to be the one going out with Sam originally. The finale kind of felt like that, the way he acted more tough and all business felt like Chet.

>>87342289
why not?

Ok so I can accept the dream theories, but that would mean "how's Annie how's annie" wasn't real, evil coop wasn't real etc etc.

Where exactly did the "dream" start? Also what was it about the blind Asian lady that made coop realise it was a dream

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>>87342251
And plenty of terrible ones.

>>87341843

I hate saying this but I think you legitimately might now get the show

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STOP TALKING ABOUT J**Y

>>87342054

We can argue the intentions of Cooper but it ultimately comes down to writing. He made the wrong choice because Lynch wrote him that way. After 25 years, and the resolution in Season 2 of finding Laura's killer, AND all of the pretty blatant "can't go home again" shit that filled s3, why on earth would you write the main character trying to take back something that can't be undone. It either drives home exactly that you can't take it back, or alternatively it undoes the events of the whole series retroactively. Neither is a fitting ending to the show. You can take the position that this was in character for Cooper regardless of whether its' the smart choice, but again; Laura died 25 years ago, and it would have been perfectly acceptable for her to be left out of s3. The audience could well have considered her off the table, further even the people who did understand that her involvement was integral to the story; trying to bring her back to life seemed even less likely/sensible. Especially with everything she felt about how death and rest were the only escape from the lodge, and Judy by extension.

He didn't need to go there. That wasn't the point of Season 3 for 95% percent of the show. It was about Dale's return to the town of Twin Peaks.

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>>87342317
>trying to make sense of this clusterfuck of a plot

>>87342334
Hey now that scene is kino

Reminder that Coop did not fail. Watch the first scene of the Return, it was all planned, even if Coop was losing it near the end there, he made it through Dougie-style.

Mike + Fireman + Coop >>> Judy + BOB (deceased by one punch m8)

>>87342334
literally every death scene this season has been completely ridiculous

>>87342352
I mean episode 17 was fine.

But I'm just trying with episode 18, I mean the Giant talked about a bunch of stuff from episode 18, it's just fucked up.

cw: j*dy
What was Judy?

Is this gonna be one of the most discussed finales ever?

>>87342188
>>87342222
You know David has "undisclosed health issues," right? It was a large part of the reason S3 nearly didn't happen, largely due to insurance and non-completion technicalities.

>>87342281
She seems to be in cahoots with Judy, as does Jumping Man (her grandson wears the jumping man mask)
Perhaps she's trying to lead Laura into getting got by Bob??

>>87342281
She and her grandson are lodge inhabitants, yes. They lived in the house next to Harold Smith and Laura used to take deliver he meals on wheels. Donna met them, then took Cooper to the house and someone else was living there and said she doesn't know any old woman or her grandson. Honestly, the end of episode 18 is very similar to that scene in season 2.

Also, Mrs. Tremond(known as Chalfont) lived in the Fat Trout trailer park also, and another Chalfont lived in her trailer spot before her.

>>87342382
On /tpg/, probably.

>>87342387
>citation needed

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>>87342353
>not enough talent to have the car go up in flames in the shot
>terrible editing
>kino
I guess you're a "glass gets fuller" kind of guy

>>87342387
I'm not going to believe anything that has anons on 4chan as its only source, so no

>>87341670
Are you Vidiot?

>>87342313
You're a waste of time to give enough of a shit about. Piss off and go wank to your beloved film grain.

>>87342416
I bet you are american.

>>87342370
Un-ironicaly this. Just watch the first scene of The Return and the white lodge scene of Episode 8 to make sense of the ending.

>>87342309
Jumping man is the spirit personification of the bug inside Sara. It was created by Judy, but I don't think they're separate, more like an extension

>>87342309
I think you're right but I do think Judy is indeed in her house somewhere or a portal to her location because both Booper and Cooper wanted to get there but were tricked in different ways.

Remember that time laura's head magically appeared outside gordon's hotel room?

>>87342430
Hello, moron. Grain has nothing to do with the fact that to match the digital, they had to completely wipe any and all detail. The clouds were completely wiped into a grey smear. I figure you're a kid, huh, not much experience with film? Too bad for you, pleb

>>87342351
>increasingly Lynched Twin Peaks fan just doesn't get that Laura is the most important and defining aspect of the series.
It's a story that will always revolve around this beautiful young girl, in darkness and alone. If you haven't fall in love with her yet then you will never get this show.

>>87342370
I don't know how anyone could watch that ending scene and interpret it as a positive ending. Cooper did have a plan. What he thought would happen when he reached the Palmer house didn't. He became disoriented and it ended on a bloodcurdling scream. Do you genuinely think that Lynch would film it the way he did if he meant for it to be a victory over Judy?

>>87342480

No, it was Vedder's head.

>>87342480
was thinking of that in the shower today. Pretty much sure that it had no real meaning other than a grim reminder of what started it all.

>>87342454
Well I agree, but it's still not the same exact thing
Another interesting point is how the tremond/chalfont grandson wears the Tengu/Jumping Man mask in FWWM and in the finale, the house where Jumping Man was supposed to be is actually inhabited by the Tremond/Chalfonts

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So Cooper overstepped his capacity and tried to save an angelic being, and so was sent to his own personal hell where clues lead nowhere and Laura Palmer isn't worth his obsession? Or did destroying Bob somehow cancel out Laura's existence, too?

How do you look at this stuff linearly, and not try to look past it at what Lynch is up to?

>>87342351
>It was about Dale's return to the town of Twin Peaks
No it wasn't, you just wanted it to be.

>>87342387
>undisclosed health issues
Lynch actually seemed more frail than the dying miguel ferrer

>>87342416
it's because is all a dream, this is why things change without notice
the glass, the diner people changing into other people, etc.

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>>87342349
不会 ?
我不会谈论交代。 我不会。
我们不会谈论交代!

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>>87342500
>cooper isnt shot or trapped in hell and can easily get a quick bj from the prom queen
totally positive to me anon

>>87342524
>How do you look at this stuff linearly, and not try to look past it at what Lynch is up to?
This is what I don't get. These retards are trying to rationalise Lynchian surrealism like it's fucking capeshit.

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>>87342500
Watch Blue Velvet. It's the complete opposite, an uplifting ending with very, VERY, bleak undertones.

In TR we have a bleak ending at face value only. When you rewatch the series you'll see, everything is going according to plan. The ending is just Judy/Tremore spirits revealing themselves, they have been found, their trick didn't work and Laura is again whole. What happens next is everyone's guess.

I feel most pissed about Diane becoming Coopers love interest out of fucking nowhere just for the sake of shoving Dern into the plot.

I know Anniefags can be annoying but I wish they wouldve atleast referenced her and said she died.

>tfw you still don't know how Annie is after 25 years

>>87342561
>Laura is hotter now than she was at 18
best timeline tbqh
I would make love to her voice

>>87342500
The logic disagrees with the emotion of the scene. Her screaming can only indicate she's remembering who she is. The electricity going out means they are leaving that reality (the jig is up, Judy couldn't stop Laura from remembering) and most likely Laura is waking up, hence why she hears her mother. Either that or they go back to the black lodge together, or coop is phillip jeffried and she somehow beats Judy (her ultimate purpose). Honestly, I just don't know, there's too many options.

why did Cooper and Diane travel to whatever reality the crossed over to at 430 miles?

>Cooper creates a timeline where Laura doesn't die, when mom calls her in the morning, she wakes up
>In the timeline that we observed the whole time, a new Cooper doppelganger goes on living in Las Vegas as Dougie. In this timeline, Judy is furious because there is now a reality in which Laura survives.
>When Cooper leaves the lodge and meets up with Diane, Laura is already saved in a different timeline

if his mission was to save Laura, he didn't have to travel through 430

was his real mission to destroy Judy, just as Jeffries tried to do?

what reality does Odessa reflect? why did Cooper seem to believe that everyone he knows has the same identities? why was reuniting Laura/Carrie with Sarah so important when they were already together in the timeline where Laura was saved?

I'm willing to believe that whatever Cooper set out to achieve in Odessa got fucked up and out of his control, I just don't know what it was that he set out to do there.

>>87342336

Alright, what did I not get?

I watched the whole thing. I stuck it out through the soap opera aspects of Season 2. I watched Fire Walk With Me. I get that for David Lynch Twin Peaks and Laura Palmer and intrinsically tied together and are inseparable. That said the entirety of Season 3 seems to be about eschewing the member berries nonsense of basking in its own nostalgia in favor of avoiding convention. The fucking plot synopsis of S3 is "Taking place 25 years after the second season finale, the series is an "emotional" story "about Agent Cooper’s odyssey back to Twin Peaks."

Face it, without anyone to reign in Lynch, he went full Lucas and just did whatever he wanted without being challenged. This worked in some places but not in others, and in the end he gave Cooper a shit ending as a final fuck you to convention. This is the swan song to a show that has followed him since he made it.

Lynch should have made those two more films he wanted after FWWM and end it there.

the cooper we see in the final minutes of 18 do not look like a man who has won and has had everything go to plan

>>87342600
I think she's ok, she's ok, she's ok, anon.

is all of Twin Peaks just a dream by Laura (a depressed girl with a terrible home life who did get murdered but imagined this fantastic mythos around her, and dreamed that people would care when she died)

It was not all a dream. The dreams are a metaphor. Actually a simile.

"We are LIKE the dreamer who dreams and then lives in the dream."

Not "we ARE the dreamer who dreams and lives in the dream."

Face it
Lynch didn't know what he was doing at the end and made a terrible finale that is only confusing so you can't tell how poor it is

>>87342594
This. I didn't know about that Blue Velvet part though, that's genuinely interesting.

>>87342562
You have never seen a Lynch film. They have rules and logic.

Basically Laura Palmer and Judy are trapped in a neverending battle of good versus evil across all timelines.

That's about the only thing that makes sense given the Phillip Jeffries infinity symbol.

>>87342659
The finale was great though, episode 17 is the one that's garbage and that one's pretty linear
Some people will say it was garbage on porpouse as some sort of satire but that's still garbage

>>87342529
>>87342616

>"Taking place 25 years after the second season finale, the series is an "emotional" story "about Agent Cooper’s odyssey back to Twin Peaks."


fuck you it wasn't.

>>87342496
>>87342616

Goddamn I get that he has a goddamn hard on for Laura. I can respect it even. But ep18 undoes the rest of the series; INCLUDING everything about her post-death for something that's ultimately cheap.

She's dead, that was the whole plot of the original series. The bedrock of the show was the tragic, beautiful death of an innocent girl caught in a horrible situation, and if you dismantle the foundation upon which the whole thing sits then it all collapses.

One major thing that people seem to be ignoring about the two-part finale.

Cooper was accepted into the lodge by MIKE as a "member".

Notice the chain of events from S2 to this point.

Cooper entered the lodge. Faced his insecurity and fears and "failed". Doppelganger comes out piloted by BOB. Massive failure.

But by Ep17 Cooper came back, the doppelganger is defeated and Cooper now (superimposed face) is enlightened and realizes the nature of reality. It is an elaborate dream, perhaps dreamt by the Fireman, who oversees it from the white lodge.
He promptly goes back into the lodge, even arbitrarily using his old key to enter a random door to enter the lodge. MIKE greets him there with the magician's chant and he is now fully initiated. But instead of just hanging around the lodge doing nothing in particular he realizes that as an agent of the lodge now he as other, more pressing duties to deal with.
This is a major victory for Cooper. He has now full access to the lodge and its capabilities.

His next mission is to locate and "use" Laura to fight Judy, which is essentially the true enemy of all creation. The setback he experienced in front of Sarah's house is just an opening move. The real fight is about to start and he has Laura next to him.

>>87342646
No, it's real. It's technically a dream of the lodge spirits. But that's like saying reality is god's dream. That doesn't change anything.

>>87342659
He literally said that "explaining" was the most evil force in the universe, so the finale is what you make of it. Half of it was good, half of it was bad, it's just impossible to say which is which. I liked it, that's what matters to me.

>>87342524
I think Laura as we know her stopped existing at the end of part 17
.

When Cooper saved her one of the lodges took her away because she's no longer needed (or her task was done or something). Judy/Mother got mad that she has no one to torment.

>>87342705
>he didn't enjoy the maximum overkino that was the anime showdown
It was a perfect send off to the lighter-hearted portion of Twin Peaks which is mostly left behind in the final part.

>>87342702
>Show shows exactly two parallel worlds with teo characters travelling from one to the other
>therefore it's the dark tower where an infinity of infinities of realities exist and they constantly travel between each other in a loop forever
name one piece of evidence supporting what you said please

>>87342612
>The logic disagrees with the emotion of the scene.
No it doesn't, you're just misinterpreting the narrative.

>>87342594
What was bleak about the BV ending?
The wold was dark because there wasn't any robins (love), then the robins came.

why did this general become so humorless

>>87342659
>>87342616
>>87342620
Daily reminder that in 3-4 years. You and the mainstream media will be praising the show and its ending just like every Lynch work. You're welcome to talk about it with us then.

>>87342047
Your mom is a pleb dude. It's okay tho, most women are.
Also, post her feet.

>>87342203
Care to explain, or you just want to tell me I'm wrong?

>>87342787
look fucker I read two books and watched 3 seasons and a movie for this series I want some goddamn discussion of the ending okay?
we'll joke around later

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>>87342787
We're all still reeling from the emotional blow that was the finale
That's why we're fruitlessly trying to make sense of it all now.

>>87342594
Can anyone debate this? I agree with this guy because why would all that creepy stuff happen if Judy won? Wouldn't the illusion of the reality persist and Coop would slowly become Richard and Laura Carrie? Instead, we see Laura waking up to reality.

>>87342789

Sure I will, because that's certainly a counter argument that addresses any of my gripes. Oh wait

>tfw this is all about some space cunt not letting based Fireman take his sweet ass nap

>>87342705
It's pretty clear that the "death of BOB" is satire of popular culture (it parodies superhero movies and the average redditor's epic theory about how the ending should be like). You can't kill BOB, he's the evil that men do. The scene where he dies (and the scenes that follow it) are over the top and ridiculous on purpose.

After Cooper says "we live inside a dream" Cooper is transported to reality. Jeffries even says that "they'll remember the unofficial version". The first 30 minutes of ep17 are the unofficial version - they are the fake ending, an illusion, the uneducated fanboy's unrealistic dream come to life.

You can't kill BOB, and you can't prevent Laura from getting murdered.

I feel the whole eternal quest of Cooper trying to save Laura ties into his backstory - he always laments what happened with Caroline, possibly Annie as well. He's a man always lamenting the women he can't save and is always trying to make up for that. It's his fatal flaw.

>>87342789
>just like every Lynch work
"No". And Lynch as an auteur is allowed to be criticized. If you don't like it, address their criticisms instead of posting baseless spew like this.

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Remember when Twin Peaks was just about an FBI agent with heightened intuition that came to a strange small town to solve a murder through info he got from creepy dreams?

>>87342750

Audrey is in a third timeline/pocket universe.

Carrie (low)life of crime and murder was more innocent than the living hell of Laura's existence as a plaything for cosmic forces. Cooper didn't save shit.

what was that black seed in Argentina?

>>87342746
It was awful and it wasn't a send off to anything, since it did not fit the tone of either the original show or the first 16 episodes. Even if it were on porpouse, at best it's a jab at capeshit but even then, wasting the main villain of the show who was played by an actor who died whose ex-wife died during the production of the show is pretty disrespectful.
I also didn't like how fast everything moved after 16 episodes which actively rewarded your patience, and how Cole just sat down and explained the plot to you. Episode 17 felt like a completely different show than the rest of the season and I don't give a shit whatever satyrical reasons people want to pull out of their asses

Anyone else feel like Cooper was acting almost like Mr. C during the restaurant scene?

>>87342721
This. I've been saying it over and over but Coop together with Mike helping him in Dougie-mode and his proficiency in the lodge, paired with Fireman's scene 1 plan brought Laura back to life with memories of who she is and what they are fighting (her destiny as shown in ep 8)

>>87342896
He absolutely looked like Mr. C when he was banging Diane/Linda. His hands grabbing her looked tanned and leathery. And he was acting weird in the restaurant.

I feel like when Cooper made the wormhole jump he gained traits of Mr. C. A synthesis.

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>>87342762
This is the corpse of robin. Goodness in man is a thing of Hollywood.

>>87342862
After FWWM and Season 2 it was revealed to be so much more than that, though.

>>87342896

Mr C was acting the way he does because he knows "reality" is just a dream and nothing in it matters much. He came from a space-time outside of that so all the little people struggling with mundane things are trivial to him.

Dale/Richard now knows that feeling. As an agent of the lodge the lives of the regular people in the dream are not his concern. That's why he uses violence against the random guys at Judy's and that's why he doesn't really give a shit about that corpse or bother to small talk with Laura.

His concerns are universal, not global.

>>87342762
not him but lrn to symbolism

the insects under the lawn represent horror and evil and repulsiveness and just general awfulness
the robins represent love and positivity

The final image of the film is a robin with a hideous bug in its mouth. The robin has triumphed over the bug, but at the same time its image is no longer beautiful, it is now corrupted. Note the horrified reaction by his aunt at how disgusting it is.
Much like this Jeffrey himself who was once bright-eyed and innocent. He still retains his positivity in the end but will also never be the same, he will always have the trauma of those events.

I have no problem with episode 18. I love the idea of cooper becoming an insane time/dimension leaper like jeffries by going in to deep.

What i don't like is how badly bad cooper is dealt with. It was like a joke. Something like the scene where ray shoot him should have happened. Or the like the black lodge finale in season 2. It should have had weight and impact.

>>87342351
>It was about Dale's return to the town of Twin Peaks.

No it was about the little girl who lives down the lane

>>87342334
They could have just not shown the dudes flying away and it would have been fine

>>87342896
I also felt this during the sex scene when Diane (well, Linda) covered his face and cried and his facial expression didn't change from intimidating stare.

>>87342972
>Dislike the first 16 episodes
AHAH LYNCHED WHAT ARE YOU A CAPESHIT COCK MUNCHING FAGGOT AHAH
>Dislike episode 17 because you liked the first 16 so much and it felt like a CW capeshit show
HAAHAHAH LYNCHED WHAT ARE YOU A RETARD IT WAS OBVIOUSLY A SATYRICAL TAKE ON CAPESHIT WHICH IS WHY IT'S GARBAGE, IT WAS MAKING FUN OF GARBAGE BY BEING GARBAGE!!!
There, here's the full spectrum of replies you will ever get by bringing that up
HAHA

This shit it a lot creepier now in retrospect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfhoPzfJ9Bc

The whole season was a mess. The story is deep as a puddle, the pacing is atrocious, it's filled with useless weird moments that feel forced and add nothing to the show, there are way too many undeveloped characters, etc, etc, etc. It was partly redeemed by some interesting moments, but that last episode was just awful.

Also Kyle MacLachlan was awesome considering he didn't have much to work with.

But as a whole, season 3 is down there with FWWM as Lynch's worst work. Which is fucking infuriating as the original Twin Peaks was my favorite series of all time.

>>87342847
That is a very solid theory. Except one single little thing that I can't overlook. The Fireman says in the very first scene "Richard and Linda" so he knew that Coop would have to go to Odessa reality to fulfill his mission. Cooper replies: "I understand" and it seems he did what he was supposed to because Laura screams from the shock of her memories coming back.

>>87343031
ahaha lynched my good buddy
why are you so fixated on capeshit

>>87343063
you're right, it was more of an anime fight since it was clearly inspired by One Punch Man
It was still garbage, wether it was intentional or not

After Laura screams, she actually woke up as Audrey, who was the real dreamer

>>87343040
The season would have been great if it weren't for the ending.

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imagine your in the editing room with lynch and he never got 18 episodes and only has the originally planned 9 episode for the 3rd season
which scenes are getting cut?

>>87342467
>>87342516
>>87342454
>>87342309
The Jumping Man being a personification of the bug makes a lot of sense if you consider the bug was a frog.

>>87342325
The entire series from Laura's death onwards is one attempt, they're caught in a loop.

Something else to note: What exactly was Laura whispering to Coop, both in the original/FWWM and at the very end of episode 18?

I had a legitimate night terror about that scene with Sarah screaming in the house. Fucking hell, it sent chills down my spine.

>>87343118
she wakes up to the reality where she is dead
this is why everything goes black because she is dead there

I am joking

>>87343104
that was only one (admittedly shit) scene
of course part 17 is going to be shit if you only define it by freddy

>>87343163
All the roadhouse scenes. They were mostly there for cameos and bands be on twin peaks so they can say they were on twin peaks.

>>87341579
>>87342267
>>87342279
>>87342504
message from the Lodge:

https://clyp.it/i40j513z

>>87343163
Early Dougie Stuff, Audrey Stuff, sadly Jerry scenes, all of Bens scenes, Druggie dude and his gf, and hald of the Mr. C stuff (keeping his revival and cutting the arm wrestling b.s. and the sex) end it at episode 17 ending, start it with episode 8.

So where the float was Donna?

>>87343049
>it seems he did what he was supposed to
Yes, but the outcome wasn't what he was expecting.
Perhaps the Giant sent Laura to die, and Coop fucked that up by preventing it, so the Giant sent him to the other reality to "correct" his mistake, while Coop thought he was saving her and bringing her home to live happily.

>>87343163
Laura Dern

>>87341590
This is what really happens to Laura at the end:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdKAFCZHbks

So, were those Dern's tits?

>>87343164
The bug looked more like a cricket, which does jump.

>>87343265
Yes but the lighting was shit in that scene.

>>87343251
Don't bully Laura Dern or you'll meet my dagger

>>87343177
As I mentiones earlier I also disliked how everything was extremely fast paced after the show rewarded patience for 16 hours, and I also disliked how Cole just sat down and explained the plot after the show rewarded you for drawing connections on your own for 16 hours
Also, Bob is not some irrelevant tertiary character, he has been there since s01e01, that scene is absolute garbage and that's how one of the most important entities in twin peaks left, it's disgraceful
Again, people will make up whatever satyrical explanation they can and post lynched memes so it's useless to discuss how 17 could be a let down for someone who legitimately enjoyed 1-16 a whole lot

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>>87343236
that leaves about 4 hours worth of television
don't worry though Lynch is a pro
he filmed the stage hands cleaning the sets and can easily fill out the extra 5 hours

>you now realize that the last time we'll ever see Agent Cooper, one of the most pure and noble characters in fiction, is when he's totally beaten and broken down and in danger of not being Cooper anymore
I don't know how to handle this. Out of all the things in the finale so far, it definitely feels the worst. I'd be happier if he died or got DESMOND'd t b h

>>87343236
So you'd get rid of the good stuff and leave boring shit like the roadhouse conversations and Andy and Lucy fucking around?

>Bob and Jumping man are created when Judy enters our world
>this is shown in Episode 8
>Chalfaunt and Tremond are allied with them, as shown by the kid wearing the jumping man mask
>the Giant creates Laura
>this is basically some cosmic fight with the world just being their playground and people being their pawns

seriously though what the fuck happened to Audrey?

And was Sarah Judy or was she the Jumping Man?

>>87342319
This makes sense too
Remember, Phillip Gerard can make MIKE go away by taking haliperidol, why can't Sarah do the same with booze?

>>87343305
9 episodes means a fuck ton of cutting stuff.
I would be essentially connecting gordon to coop to mr. c, and diane at half the time.

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Wait, how did BOB get back inside Boop? Isn't that the second time the Woodsmen have cut him out?

Also, why was Boop on fire in the Lodge?

>>87343347
this but what do you think the end means? Laura has remembered her sorrowful, real life and is now ready to fight judy with jeffries-level coop? Don't forget Coop is a master of the lodge now and only started losing it because he was becoming Richard (ala Dougie syndrome)..

So Cooper and Laura end up in a different timeline completely fucked?

Also why the fuck is Laura so important?

>>87343361
Audrey crazy
Judy and Jumping Man are essentially one and the same

>>87343244
That could explain why she was taken at the end of episode 17. The lodge had plans for her and they were trying to correct it maybe?

Which I now realize there's 3 twin peak universes
>Laura Dead
>Laura 'not dead'/Coop saving Laura
>Carrie Page

I fucking knew Jumping Man would be the key to all of this.

>>87343347
I thought that grandmother was a good spirit because she didn't want creamed corn (scene with Donna in season 2), why would she ally with Bob who only wants garmonbozia?

>>87343406
>>87343406
>Also, why was Boop on fire in the Lodge?
Because BOB got Hulk smashed into the fiery underworld or something?

>>87343338
>one of the most pure and noble characters in fiction
>fucked his partner's wife causing him to go insane
>punched a women

>>87343347
I'm stunned that for all the waifufagging and anticapeshit mentality around here that people are honestly okay with Lynch doing this. I guess I missed the point and Laura was never interesting as an ordinary girl caught between supernatural forces because they saw her as easy prey, she's much better as some divine pure being that's supposed to stop an interdimensional monster from destroying reality.

>>87341973

she looks like the prozzie from Inland Empire

>>87343347
>>87343361

If Ms. Tremond is the manifestation of Jua Dei, it makes sense that "Ms. Tremond's Grandson" is the frog-bug Jumping Man that she spat out.

If Sarah is possessed by the Jumping Man, the glass box creature was probably Judy.

Now we are not gonna talk about jumping man

>>87343292
>I also disliked how everything was extremely fast paced after the show rewarded patience for 16 hours
>mad because the finale has more content than your typical episode
huh who would've thought, most shows certainly wouldn't do that
Cole doesn't really "explain the plot" though, he just provides some shitty exposition at the start to get the plot moving
>Bob is not some irrelevant tertiary character, he has been there since s01e01
same as many other characters, Ray Wise was featured more often and was more important in some ways but he makes two appearances and only speaks two words in the finale. yeah they handled bob in a shit way but I'm not that asspained because I liked the feel of the episode
I'm content posting LYNCHED memes because I'm happy with the final even if there were moments that stuck out in a bad way

>>87343418
>le Richard is taking over Coop meme and the name wasn't just thrown in to show that Coop was in another reality
>le Coop is a Lodge spirit/wizard now just because he twirled his fingers and made a curtain flutter
These reddit theories are out of control.

>>87343445
>That could explain why she was taken at the end of episode 17. The lodge had plans for her and they were trying to correct it maybe?
My initial reaction was that she ceased to exist because her destiny was to die. There is no getting away from that.
Coop had to go to another universe to find her and save her, but that didn't work out either.

>>87343406
They did cut him out last time. He just popped out a little to scare Ray, then went back in.

Why does Cooper take Laura to the Palmer house? Does he think that will do the trick? I can't find evidence that the Fireman told him to go there, only that he's in the right reality because "Richard and Linda" clue

>>87343536
didn't*

Post the footage of Jumping Man from S3. He was only shown on screen for around 3 seconds in the entire season.

>>87343536
>He just popped out a little to scare Ray, then went back in.

I thought this was a me-

HOLY SHIT BOB REPRODUCED

ONEPUNCHM8 DIDN'T KILL ALL OF BOB

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>>87343567

>>87343540
Why wouldn't he take her home? No one would have to tell you to do that.

>>87343462
She doesn't like garmonbozia but she needs it to live.

Same thing with Mike who gets all angry with Bob and bargains for it.

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>>87343510

The jumping man/bug is Judy's familiar and representative since she's "trapped" in the outside space.
She can also likely "ride" him like BOB is "riding" Mr C.
And just like BOB inhabited Leland, the jumping man (and by extension Judy) can inhabit Sarah as their chosen vessel.

Another disturbing facet of this is that the young person that was supposed to be BOB's original host was a childhood boyfriend of young Sarah, so Judy fucking extracted a motherload of garmonbozia from this entire situation.

>>87343567
>Cooper had the doppelganger made to give Dougie back to them, but made himself a martyr in the process (can't climb to heaven on a cross/he's permanently lost "what year is this")In this timeline created by Cooper when he rescued past Laura, Cooper doesn't belong in Twin Peaks and neither does Laura

If Sarah is Judy, who was phone?

>>87343037
>I'm taking over Laura Palmer's route for the meals on wheels
>"She's dead."
>did you know her well?
>"No" while looking away from Donna
It does almost feel like she's hiding something, the same way that Alice does in the end of ep 18.

>>87343540
He's trying to jog her memory. He even asks while driving through Twin Peaks if she recognizes anything and she says no. Her house and seeing her parents would probably get the biggest reaction.

Jumping man? More like vibrating man lol

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When Laura's mother yells her name at the ending and Laura freaks out, maybe she is having a horrendous dream and is in the process of waking up by her mother from the very beginning of the entire series

It sort of resets the entire timeline back to where she never dies so she is in bed the morning where she was in the plastic bag at the beach. It all comes full circle.

Does this make sense or not?

It honestly feels like there were just 20 minutes more of footage that Lynch decided to edit out just to troll people, or because he didn't end up liking whatever the ending was.

It's incredibly close, it's just not quite there.

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>>87343599
>Another disturbing facet of this is that the young person that was supposed to be BOB's original host was a childhood boyfriend of young Sarah, so Judy fucking extracted a motherload of garmonbozia from this entire situation.
>img

Nice, I didn't catch that.

>>87343646
Yes that's one of the theories.

>>87343273
It had a frog's legs, anon.

>>87342218
Because it's who he is. It's a trait that superficially makes him a hero but is really a flaw. Think about the scene where he beats someone up and shoot sa guy because they were harassing the waitress. The entire thing is avoided if he doesn't try to save someone who doesn't necessarily need to be saved, or in Laura's case can't.

>>87343646
That's what I'm going with. Everything that happened in the original timeline where she dies up until Cooper decides to go back and save her is all a dream/nightmare she's having.

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>>87343687
I had frog legs too.

>>87343646
I think it's more likely that Judy/mommy pulled her into a dream (or fake reality - a trick), rather than her having a convoluted Diane/nightmare involving Dale/Rich and SugarNipples in a timeline changed by her being saved.

>>87343646

My guess is this.
Coop is now a full-time agent of the lodge.
His goal is to bring Laura back, but first he needs to "reset" her into her default personality.

To that end he drives her to Twin Peaks so she can snap out of it.

Bear in mind his original goal (when he time-traveled into the past) was to just grab Laura and take her to the lodge. And then she disappeared.

So for some reason he can't do that with Carrie. She needs her to snap out of it first, become Laura and then take her to the lodge, I'm guessing.

So anyway there is a white horse in Carrie's house, there is a white toy ride horse in front of Judy's where Carrie worked. That means Judy has Carrie/Laura trapped and cornered.
Once Coop brings her to Twin Peaks and Laura snaps out of it the entire jig is up and reality comes crashing down. I'm assuming both Coop and Laura are then teleported to the lodge and the task is finished.

Cooper failing was completely in character. I mean for fuck's sakes he wanted Laura to not wear the ring in FWWM because he didn't fully understand what was going on.

That said it's not a -total- failure. He and Laura are still alive, albeit in an alien dimension with no one that knows them.

>>87343727
Correction
>rather than her having a convoluted *nightmare involving Dale/Rich and *Diane/SugarNipples in a timeline changed by her being saved.

>>87343646
Yes, that's essentially what some of us are believing are happening. Ala Fireman and Mike's joint effort with Coop to get this to happen.

What remains unclear is how that will allow Laura to defeat Judy, unless her waking up alive that morning already does it.
And also what happens to Coop, probably going jeffries mode.

>>87343599
what an ass-pull
if this was supposed to be bob why did they cast a girl who looked nothing like sarah?

>>87343292
>Bob is not some irrelevant tertiary character
I think the whole point of that scene was to reveal the nature of the dream. BOB is literally the evil that men do, you can't kill him normally. The entire fight scene being so over the top and ridiculous, only for Cooper to say "we live inside a dream" after and disappear, shows how much reality / the dream has degraded.

>Lynch left production because he wanted more time and money
>He came back after Showtime extended the series to 18 episodes

And think about how much time Lynch actually used for each scene.

>Cooper falling through space and Naido frame skipping and rewinding for 15 minutes
>Cooper and Laura driving for 10 minutes
>Dougie scenes where he just stands there
>Sweeping the floor for 5 minutes
>Audrey's scenes for a combined 20 minutes or more

He fucking argued for extra time for NOTHING, he just wanted time to do weird shots that meant nothing in the end. The Showtime execs might say they're happy, but they're probably fucking fuming since last night.

>>87342289
A lot of it is just glacially paced introductions and re-establish mention of the town in general. Could probably have worked without it though I personally won't know how I feel about it until I watch this season again. Could be a lot of stuff that's only noticeable once you know where the show's heading.

>>87343751
>how that will allow Laura to defeat Judy, unless her waking up alive that morning already does it.

Well Coop would've won if he simply escorted Laura into the lodge in the past.

I'm assuming the same victory condition is valid in the "new present". He just needed Laura to snap out of it first.

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Red spinoff show when?

So what was the purpose of the infinity symbol with the whole in it Phillip Jeffries displayed?

>>87343767

If you've seen any of his work in the last 20 years or so you'd notice he has a very low shots-per-minute count. That's just how he works.
He keeps it slow and steady and heavily focuses on shot composition and set/costume design.

Yeah, all of it could've been condensed into 8 episodes or even perhaps one longer movie, but I'm personally glad it didn't.

>>87343646
This theory sounds just like wishful thinking to me. It leaves out so much of what the season had been building through just to wave it all away. I feel what really happens to Laura when she screams and the lights go out might be parallel to Audrey realizing that she wasn't in reality and came to in the white room. Perhaps Laura realized that she was in a constructed reality made by Judy at that point and breaks free? Who knows what happens after that? I doubt it's just as simple as her waking up on the first episode though.

>>87343540
Yeah, the reasoning from Diane and Coop going to wherever they went to bringing Not-Laura to Twin Peaks confuses me.

Diane says "Are you sure you want to do this" so she was obviously told about some sort of plan. But then she leaves?

And if Laura doesn't die and you saved her why find her again?

And let's say Judy/Mom/Evil was thereat Laura's old house and Not-Laura is all "oh yeah I remember now" Then what? Judy is probably just gonna bite your head off or something.

>>87343488
>divine being
Pretty sure the scene in ep8 represents her being sent back to the reality where she didn't die.

>>87343767
It was the perfect length.

>>87343794
Wait - who WAS that magic motherfucker!?

Just a drug dealer with inexplicable magician skills??

>>87343837
>Diane says "Are you sure you want to do this" so she was obviously told about some sort of plan. But then she leaves?

Cooper is at this point basically a lodge spirit himself. He can use the lodge as needed. Diane is not.

After moving into the new reality Coop overwrote Richard but still felt a bit off, like there is residual Richard personality there.
Diane however, since she wasn't elevated to the "magician" status, could not overwrite Linda and was basically overwriten herself and as Linda she just walked out of the situation.

Just like Annie, she's a victim of circumstance and a necessary sacrifice the island demanded.

HOW'S ANNIE
HOW'S ANNIE
HOW'S ANNIE

LYNCH YOU FUCK ANSWER MEEEEE

I got the ending to Mulholland Drive, I got most of Eraserhead, but I'm fucking stumped when it comes to this ending.

It honestly just feels like there's an Episode 19 that he's just refusing to release.

>>87343888
>has magic powers
>Tremond grandson in the original also could use magic
>threatens to eat Richard's head
>Judy (maybe?) eats several character's heads
>The Palmer house in possibly Judy's dream??? at the end is owned by the Tremonds
I think Red might be connected to Judy somehow

>>87343940

She was raped by, she was killed by
a smooth criminal.

>>87343940
Noone cares about Annie. She's Sam Stanley/ Wilson tier.

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>>87343752
she wasn't bad when she was young

>>87343767
Imagine having this much ADD, not being able to cherish a single moment of not having action thrown in your face, constantly needing things to 'happen'

>>87343888
Or was it the drugs that made Richard perceive what he was doing as magic making him feel feeble, getting him all scared and worked up that led hi to killing the kid?

>>87342021
Lamo

>>87343972
yeah and that girl with retarded long name they cast as young sarah looks nothing like her, young or old
that kid with her was nobody, not bob's original host

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If you're not watching Twin Peaks in the optimal format, you can go FUCK YOURSELF.

>>87342715
I think that was the point, in a way. Cooper wanted to save Laura, thinking it's the right thing to do, but in doing so he fucks himself up pretty bad and essentially undoes everything up to that point. If it's meant in this way, it's sort of showing how integral a part Laura's death played in the Twin Peaks world.

So we all agree that it's not an alternate timeline created by saving bestgirl, but a trapdream by MOMmy?

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>>87342715
DREAM; NOT ALTERNATE DIMENSION

SCREEN SHOT THIS