/tpg/ - Twin Peaks General

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These issues are undefendable
>no set design, feels empty and lifeless
>no interesting ideas for storylines and generally bad writing
>relies on gimmicks only instead
>those are unoriginal or just bad, unfortunately ("fuck you, albert", glove, andy and lucy, coordinates, riddles, ...)
>bad acting (Bell, Lynch, Horse, Robertson, Dern, ...)
>dull characters (one-dimensional at best)
>storylines and characters are introduced for no purpose
>everything is supposed to weirdly connect and make sense
>shot in digital in a way that doesn't compensate for the technology's disadvantages (looks bad)
>roadhouse scenes (out of place, badly shot, the songs, the bands, the extras, ...)
>student-tier storytelling/editing (characters are shown walking up complete sets of stairs)
>stretched out needlessly, long takes have no particular effect
>obviously delusional and/or inexperienced fanbase perceiving it as particularly meaningful, complex or "deep"
>can't compare to the original series that doesn't have those problems (coherent/complex and beautiful sets, costumes and make-up/well shot/well acted/well written/magnificent multi-dimensional characters and character relations, music, storylines and gimmicks/creates a unique athmosphere as a result, changing the world of television forever whereas "the return" neither manages to do something established really good nor to invent something new)
>extended pitch black scenes because of a lack of a competent cinematographer
>audio issues with microphone static left unaddressed because of poor sound design
>extremely poor editing with magically disappearing extras and production staff accidentally walking into frame
>somehow the best thing in tv history

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Where was he?

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>insert copy pasta

>>87326759
Little Nicky killed him

How did Coop get out the lodge so easily the second time

Just strolls out in to the woods.

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>>87326753

>>87326753
>>no set design
what did he mean by this though?

>>87326788
Bad Coop is in there now. Presumably he can now leave as he pleases.

why does lynch like sunset boulevard so much?

>>87326788

Fire walks with him now.

>>87326788
He had the courage now.

>>87326788
Jazz hands.

>>87326808
that he's trying to force a badly written pasta that doesn't even bait properly

why was episode 17 so cheesy? lucy being deus ex machina, one punch lad destroying bob, naido turning up to be diane...

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If you think about it, all of Laura's problems are because she DIDN'T GO EASY ON THE GARMONBOZIA.

>>87326852
Kek

>>87326859
that glove guy didnt make any sense

Lynch is a hack

>>87326859
So 18 can shit all over it

>>87326859
To make you realize that isn't the best way to end Twin Peaks.

>>87326859
It was a parody of the resolution everyone wanted, thereby giving Lynch license to make the finale it needed.

>>87326788
His experience as Dougie has made him into a magician, he can actually use the Lodge's powers now.

>>87326867
>that room
plz be a cute girl or a trap

If everything is about laura palmer...who is laura palmer anyway? What is her significance? I though she was simply a start/catarse to put everything in motion, nothing more.

>>87326859
Why the fuck was Naido Diane anyways? That makes no sense to me. Did Boop cross her into the shadow realm after he raped her or what? Why did she look different?

>She's gone
>She's gone
>She's gone away

Lynch, you cheeky fucker.

>>87326859

Because it’s a bad dream

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>>87326854
>stole a shitty pasta and made it better
>gets tons of (you) every thread
h-he don't know how t-to bait right that y-yucky meanie

>>87326867
Laura, I've said this before, and I'll say it again, because I worry about you. We've been friends for a long time, and God knows the stuff we've been through - and so do you. You've always cultivated that free spirit, that weird way you have to do things, and I respect that. I don't often meddle in your life, because I know that you can handle your own problems in your own way. So when I come to you talking in a serious manner like this, you're one to know that the situation is not like it usually is. And both of us know pretty well what this is about, don't we?... Yeah, we do. That garmonbozia. You're not going easy on it, Laura, and it worries me, because anything can happen right now. You're not your usual you, you're acting strange, and I don't know what else to do. I'm reaching to you personnally, because we're both adults, and have a long history together. We both care about each other, and know when it's time to ask each other politely - as I am asking you at the momment - to go EASY. Taking it easy is not an easy thing, if you get me. You probably do, you're a smart gal. Always have been... But you're letting yourself go, and it's getting to everyone of us. People are often asking "is she going to take it easy on the garmonbozia?". Because, man, this is getting really out of hand. So, I'll say this once more, and it's because of everything we have with each other, and I believe I can honestly come to you and say it: Laura.... please, buddy..... easy on the garmonbozia.

>>87326927
That's exactly what happened. You need to rewatch Part 16 when she recounts the rape.

>>87326867
imagine fucking on this bed

>>87326925

A special angelic spirit custom made by the Fireman to counter Judy creating BOB and a bunch of other lesser evil spirits after we detonated a nuclear device and they entered our world.

WHO THE FUCK WAS BILLY

>>87326867
>imagine if that was ur face
haha

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>>87326806
>Diane Evans
>Rich Evans

Assuming they decide not to do a season 4 or a movie, will they announce this? It's a limited series atm so even if they decide not to make more they wouldn't have to like announce cancellation. I'm okay with them not making anymore I just want to know, I don't want to spend the next ten years sitting around wondering if it'll ever come back. It'll be way easier for all of us I think to come to terms with this as an ending if we know it's an ending.

>>87326925
Fireman created her from a part of himself like JUDY made BOB from part of herself, she's like the avatar of the dreamer or some shit

>>87326890
I honestly believe that he asked Lynch why he's picking him for such a huge role in his TV show, after all he's done is make a YouTube video doing different accents and Lynch probably replied "well why not you?"
This thought makes me feel completely okay with it

>>87326893
ahahaha
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D O N B. J O H N S O N

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make sense of it

>>87326982
Why's she look so different? Even the alternate reality Coop and Diane look like Coop and Diane. But post-rape Diane is some nip.

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>>87326988
>ywn fuck MILF Sheryl on that bed

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>>87326931
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>87326759
Dick went funny boom boom.

>>87326806
Now this is a sex scene I wanna see.

If Richard and Linda exist from the first time we see them in a car st night how comes he says Diane before fucking

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>Drove MJA, Sherilyn Fenn and Julee Cruise insane
>Traumatized Naomi Watts by forcing her to masturbate on screen
>Runs a literal cult
>Raped his daughter and murdered Jack Nance
>Made James Marshall's anus fall out
>Loaded black grandma porn onto Ray Wise's computer
>Gave David Bowie, Catherine E. Coulson and Miguel Ferrer cancer

How can we stop this man?

>>87327061
she looks haggard

Her reaction at 15:35 (and on) was my reaction.

https://youtu.be/bi22RvKGaQ0

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>>87326927
>raped her, tied her up and took her to the shadow realm to continue to rape her
>got bored
>turned her into a asian woman, raped her, blinded her, raped her some more and then left to go rape someone else

>>87327061
>almost as tall as Kyle, and not even in heels

Goddamn why is he such a manlet

What the fuck happened? I realise most of you have already discussed this, but I just watched it now.

>>87327033
they won't announce anything unless they're making more

so there will always be a chance

>>87326806
>>87327023
i'd like to smack the guy who made that

>>87327033
I'm guessing by the time the new book is out, we will know for sure.

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>>87326859
So that 18 could come around and remind us all what Twin Peaks was really about. The rape and abuse of a teenage girl, something that could never be undone.

Part 17 is the schlock fantasy, Part 18 takes us back to the core of the show, Cooper failed in his attempt to save Laura.

>>87327089
She's hot.

>>87327089

Who is this sperm vermin

>>87327072
Well the theory is that Coupe remembers everything even as Richard, The Coop and Gordon would remember the unofficial story. So the question shouldn't be why does Coop call her Diane, the question should be if that theory is correct why after he calls her Diane does she not say "wut my name is Linda"

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>through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all

>>87327109
That nigga is 5'11" what do you expect

>>87326914
this, the ending where everyone finally came together felt meta, kinda reminded me of the congratulations scene from evangelion

>>87327033
This is pretty much all I can think about right now

Just watched the last episode. Correct me if Im wrong.
They've beaten the evil.
Cooper can even save Laura by sending her in an other reality where she's been given an other life.
Diane and Coop also cross to that other reality (for whatever reason).
Creepy sex.
Diane left a note with different names because they're also different people here.
Cooper goes find Laura Palmer, brings her to Twin Peaks and she screams in horror because by seeing her old house she remembers the nightmare she went through.

>>87327037
MARK, I SAW THIS LAD ON YOUTUBE THE OTHER NIGHT, WE HAVE TO USE HIM ON THE RETURN. I THINK WE COULD GIVE HIM A GLOVE WITH SUPERPOWERS OR SOMETHING.

>>87327133
can someone make the darkness transparent?

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>Laura's soul was freed from it's suffering and went to heaven at the end of FWWM
>Coop thought he could best beings that are manifestations of pure malice and suffering and undid this

Good job Special Agent Cooper

>>87327133
MIKE's a good guy. A real patriot and friend of the Feds.

>>87327125
>>87327126
Yes and her tp reactions were 10/10.

Her crying at the credits roll was me. Holy shit and im a grown assed hairy assed man.

>>87327079
more like how can we stop this stale meme

>>87327142
Fucking manlets.

>>87327133
Al Strobel aged really well, he doesn't look much older than he did in the original.

It's an unfinished series. Leaving an ending ambiguous is one thing. Leaving dozens of vital plot points unaddressed while introducing dozens of new vital unaddressed plot points in your finale in exchange for a steady stream of obscure visuals is pretentious, masturbatory, and lazy.
And I'm actually a huge Lynch fan. It is not "Lynchian" to allow the audience to invest in dozens of characters and plot lines only to crap on all of it and make it all meaningless at the very end. Mulholland Drive, Blue Velvet, Lost Highway... these great films are obscure and ambiguous. But they generally provide a framework for meaningful speculation and analysis. Episode 18 entirely destroyed any semblance of a framework. It was lazy and cheap.

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>>87326927
She was cursed to be asian by evil Cooper, but then good Cooper freed her of that curse and she went back to being white again.

>>87327089
Love her desu

>>87327184
literally a buffy the vampire slayer plot

>>87327089
I want to white lodge her if you get what I mean

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>>87327061
had to fap to milf porn after seeing her in those tight jeans

http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/a57242/kyle-maclachlan-twin-peaks-the-return-2017-interview/

>"David tells me, 'Everything is Twin Peaks. It's all Twin Peaks,'" he says. "These stories continue—that's the whole thing. Everybody kept living and going on and doing their thing. It never stopped. Now we're picking it up again, 25 years later. Who knows if we'll pick them up again down the road, I don't know."

GUYS

MAJOR BRIGGS' FEAR WAS RIGHT

LOVE WAS NOT ENOUGH

>>87327169
They've beaten BOB. But semi-unbeknowsnt to them JUDY is the true archvillain of Twin Peaks and she interferes when Cooper tries to save Laura leading to the other world.

>>87327148
fuuuck

>>87327089
Lunch you madman.
E X I S T E N T I A L I S M 1 0 1

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>>87327208
he was sexy af in the original

There's a line between just not wanting to explicitly state something and having an art project full of meaningless scenes. If the ending is indeed "the end", 95% of plots (from all three seasons and the movie) were utterly meaningless, merely filler.
I'm on board with slow, meandering, five minute sweeping the floor or driving in the dark scenes because that's the artistic license one has when they make a story. But when it turned out that 9/10 characters and story arks were utterly irrelevant, that's just bad story telling, not "creative license". Episode 8's 20 minute slo-mo explosion was creative, copping out of over a dozen plot points with "Well, time travel, alternate realities, or dreams means none of those things matter anyway" is not creative.

>>87327234
i don't think i've ever fapped to ANYTHING other than milf porn

>>87327218
Here's your (lynched)

>>87327231
Shes cool.

I suggest to watch her reaction vids...shes comfy and doesnt fake her stuff.

And...shes hot.

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>>87326759
Where was she? HOW IS SHE?

>>87327301
This.

>>87327142
I thought he was much shorter than that. Why did he look so short as Booper?

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>>87327301
>"Well, time travel, alternate realities, or dreams means none of those things matter anyway"

not what happened

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WHAT YEAR IS IT?

>>87327218
Episode 18 confirms he wants to make more in my eyes.

>>87327330
Vlog Lady is cool too

>>87327061
So thicc

>>87327301

Why is it bad storytelling to show characters and give context to the worlds without it ultimately being important to the main plot

>>87327331
She's a tulpa manufactured to bring Cooper into the Black Lodge. You're welcome.

>>87327361

I don’t know if he wants to make more, he just member wants to close it.

>>87327359
GOTTA LIGHT?

>>87327363
Agreed. Only 2 reactioners for tp that i watched.

>>87327342
What? He looked 5'11"

He used to be 6 feet but he shrunk from age.

>>87327301
This was clearly going to happen from around ep5. Lynch obvious hates cult TP fans.

>>87327061
all those people saying she aged like shit in the Lodge scenes got BTFO, she aged the best IMO

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You faggots are a bunch of blind followers of Lynch who won't accept that "Twin Peaks: The Return" is a total disaster. This is the final proof that rebooting old series is a really *really* bad idea, since not even Lynch can do it right.

TPTR is not Twin Peaks: it's a bland, sad, and pathetic attempt of self-celebration in the form of an artificial continuation of an unfinished old work. So old that you, the creator, can't even remember correctly. Ironically, at a metalanguage level, the topics of this reboot perfectly reflect what reboots per se are: concretely, a doppelganger, product of a creative void. It's not Cooper who is lost here, it's David Lynch himself. Maybe this is his unconscientious talking...

I will tell you one thing, /tv/: after watching the first episode I was actually deceived for a moment, as I thought it was going to be great; maybe it was going to be more in the direction of FWWM, but I was OK with that. But then, after episode two I started to realize what was really going on here. At episode three, I started to cry and almost turned off my TV, as I finally understood what was happening here: it was the dead of one of the greatest artists of the 20th century.

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>>87327218
you just described the season 2 ending which everyone loved

DAILY REMINDER THAT THE CARD BOOPER PULLS OUT IN THE FIRST 4 EPISODES HAD THE FACE OF THE BUG ON IT

>>87327089
ya I basically just said "What?" over and over and over again

This is probably my last post here...but I think you people are largely both ridiculous and annoying at the same time, and here's why:
First, it's not about rapping something up in a neat bow...it's about getting something that at least follows its own internal logic and constructs. This ending wasn't a lose thread, it created a whole new ball of yarn in what was essentially a post-credits scene that went on for 80 minute and re-wrote the entire show...essentially making everything we'd seen meaningless.
Second - I'm sorry, but this whole multiple timelines/realities drivel is pretentious crap that sci-fI writers get out of their system by the time they're 18. Or they learn to do it in a clever way, like Lieber's big time stories.
Third - twin peaks was never a David lynch inscrutable movie. It was a mysterious, quirky show where lynch played with the venue and structure. It wasn't lost highway..,if it was, no one would have watched it or cared. I wanted twin peaks, not the oh so clever, oh so inscrutable mr. Lynch. That seemed to be what we were getting - until he screwed us all and ret-conned the entire thing into a pretentious lynch crap fest.
The show was twin peaks - the return. That's what is signed up for. That's what I mostly got for 16.5 episodes. What we finished with was Lynch crappimg on anything resembling consistency, cohesion or structure and then going back in time to turn the entire thing into lynchian lynch garbage.
So here I am - feeling cheated. Feeling like I got fooled, again, after a time investment. And I'm in this forum looking for something - anything - to make it seem less awful. And there's just grad school lint contemplation trying to make it mean something, or rationalizing that this ISN'T twin peaks...what did you expect?

>>87327463
>rapping

>>87327301

The worst part is that Gordon's entire investigation was utterly and completely unnecessary and added nothing.

Even the subplot about Bobby and Hawk and jackrabbit's palace and extracting Diane as Naido out of there didn't really mean anything since Diane is not really needed for anything.

MR C's entire plotline also means jack shit since in the end he just randomly gets deposited at the sheriff's station only to get killed within minutes.

>>87327448
Everyone back then felt like we are feeling now after it aired you retard

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>>87327440
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>>87327492
it was all a dream

>>87327463
this is from Dugba, right?

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>>87327409

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Why did Laura / Carrie have a dead body in her house? And why did she let a guy who identified himself as an FBI agent walk into her house knowing this body would be there for him to find? And why did they both just ignore it and leave without discussing it? Was Coop just imagining it?

>>87327463
And to such people I say enough. I've had enough. It was an insult and it wasn't twin peaks. And any further time I spend is more time I'm being cheated of - so enough. I don't want season 4. I don't want another book. He's ruined what magic the show had left.
Others are welcome to find meaning and to say they enjoy the mystery. I'm not one of you, which is being made very clear in the finale threads. I say adieu.

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Goodbye Twin Peaks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPqZs7Vl_xg

>>87327502
ok? but for 25 years it was the ending of twin peaks and it was constantly praised as the one of if not the best episode. 18 will be the same.

deal with it

you got lynched

>>87326788
He did it right this time. Wasn't "tricked".

>>87327463
>rapping
Yo my name's Jeffries and I'm here to say/
I'm not talking about Judy in a major way

>>87327493
This exactly it, everything before ep 17 is essentially filler, Lynch might as well have given us more fanservice since it's all meaningless anyway.

>>87327530

Because weird shit happens in dreams

>>87327148
Oh shit.

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>>87327544
>Wasn't "tricked".

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>>87327363
fuck off with that ugly whore

>>87327550

Good post

>>87326788
he didn't. he has never left and never will

The more I think about this season in toto, I think it was a sixteen-hour prologue to a one-hour episode and a one-hour epilogue, more or less. I feel its purpose was to show us that we are all trapped in a mindset rooted in 20th century narrative, and something more random and multi-track is closer to the mark. We know we've hit the coordinates when we begin to feel uncomfortable. When Cooper asks "What year is this?" I don't think he's asking what year he's inhabiting; rather, he's questioning our expectations of the narrative, our demands for clarity and a happy ending - even a satisfying reunion. Why did we want to go back to a murder scene? What did we want to undo? Or do? Were these characters not supposed to change? When Cooper's America suddenly consisted of the names of Russian cities and foreign businesses, where going for breakfast can suddenly turn into an old West shootout, I think Lynch's purpose is plain - this IS the America we now I habit. He is showing us our world through THEY LIVE glasses, as it were. What Cooper may suddenly be inhabiting outside the Palmer house is a place we've not previously seen in this series - namely, reality.

Even the Absoluteist of Madmen wouldn't end it there. It is clear he expects to make more and Showtime is game for more.

If there isn't more i'll be genuinely surprised.

Being one hundred percent honest here fellas... Original series >> FWWM > The Return. That's right, I love the original series, I think it is absolutely some of the best television ever made and I will keep watching it annually till I die. Fire Walk With Me is way darker and weirder but still a very enjoyable, frightening ride. The Return is different. Almost everything feels different. That's all I wanted to say.

Let's think about episode 8 of The Return, we can see the experiment/MOTHER giving birth to BOB and then taking

the form of an insect-like animal and forcing its way into the mouth a young girl. Now, I do believe that the

MOTHER is Judy and that the girl is a young Sarah Palmer; in the very same episode we see the Fireman realeasing a

"blessed" orb to the Earth, that Orb is the spirit of Laura, its destiny is to stay together with Judy in order to

prevent her awakening.
Think about it: in the Pilot (S01E01) we see a cheerful Sarah going to wake her daughter, only to find out,

moments later, that she is dead; throughout the first series Sarah changes her behaviour, she becomes more and

more nevrotic and she also starts to see things normal people could not see: the real face of BOB, a white horse,

visions in her dreams. I believe all this is due to the fact that Judy resides within her.
Now back to the plot of episode 17 of The Return "The Past Dictates the Future";
After Mr.C/BOB is defeated, Cooper has an encounter with Phillip Jeffries, he shows Cooper the true meaning behind

Judy: she is a power of malicious intent which tries to escape from the infinite (thus the 8 sing) bond that is

Laura's benevolent spirit. Cooper undestands that the only way to prevent this from happening is to save Laura so

that she can be with Judy/Sarah; he goes off to save her, he finds her in the woods and takes her hand: his

mission is accomplished.
Now, if Laura never died, then all the bad things that happened in this city would've never happened as well, and

Cooper didn't have any reasons to go to Twin Peaks to investigate...and he would've never known about Laura, that

is why all of a sudden she disappears in the woods and Cooper is alone.

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>>87327148
so we got anno'ed

I think I'd rather believe that 99% of this shit was a fantasy trip or coping mechanism in Laura's head than that she is an angelic entity manufactured by some extra-dimensional beings who also bestow some random Brit with a magic glove to punch her tormentor out of existence.

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>>87327148
And Cooper "reset the world" by saving someone from death like in Lain.

Lynch confirmed for weeb?

>>87327652
The Return>OS>FWWM

But TR's ending is a total hack job.

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>friendly reminder that in a decade or two all the hip young filmmakers and showrunners will sight Twin Peaks: The Return as a major influence to them and you will die alone hating Part 18 because of your pathetic interpretation of it.

>>87327652
you're not alone, I agree

>>87327331
I would have preferred her returning instead of laura dern

>>87327665 cont.
Cooper has created a paradox, he can't live in this world, so he finds himself (or maybe he goes on his own

accord) to another reality, a reality in which all the people that knew him can't recognize him for who he truly

is (Diane signs the letter as Linda); maybe even he can't recognize himself and wanders around confused. He

finally meets Laura, only to find out she goes by the name of Carrie Page now, and it seems her life is a

nightmare. They drive to Twin Peaks, they are in front of the former Palmer's house, but a strangers opens the

door; Cooper is confused, he seems to act like Jeffries when he appeard in Philadelphia, he moves his mody forward

in an almost unnatural manner and asks "what year is this?" (funny how when Jeffries experienced the same thing he

lost his body and moved to a different dimension, just lik Cooper did now).
Suddenly the voice of Sarah Palmer calls for Laura; Carrie/Laura realizes she's not in the real world, she screams

and then wakes up in her house in 1989, she can be with Judy now.

Now I know I've left some things out; especially when Cooper says "Gordon will remember the unofficial version", I

couldn't really make sense out of that, but maybe in a day or two I may write some more.
It's been a fun ride, thank you /tpg/!

>>87327652
FWWM > Episode 1 > The Return > Season 2 Finale > First half of Season 2 > Season 1 > Second Half of Season 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRz3deg1crY

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>>87327148
>>87327281
>>87327590

http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/a57242/kyle-maclachlan-twin-peaks-the-return-2017-interview/

>When I ask him about his favorite scenes, MacLachlan immediately sports a big Dougie Jones smile. His sex scene with Naomi Watts comes to mind, and he imitates the look of perplexed ecstasy on Dougie's face as he sleeps with his wife. He flails his arms about a bit, not noticing that he's drawing some attention from some of the people sitting near us in the restaurant

>>87327148
https://webmshare.com/play/4Mw3n

shittyOC COMIN THROUGH

>>87327635
>When Cooper asks "What year is this?" I don't think he's asking what year he's inhabiting; rather, he's questioning our expectations of the narrative, our demands for clarity and a happy ending - even a satisfying reunion.
he was asking because he thought he was going to be in a specific year that Jeffries sent him to, but it seems like Mike fucked him over and had other co-ordinates given to Jeffries

>>87327665
>>87327710
sorry for the sentences that are not aligned properly, I wrote this on notepad (yes, i know)

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>>87327440
>WAAH STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE

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>>87326753
>no set design

>>87327530
Can someone smarter than me figure out why his left hand is raised and what's on his stomach?

>>87327696
Maybe it's an influence, but not the shit ending.

Why did Cooper act so much like Booper in the diner scene?
Also during the sex scene I was half expecting him to actually be Booper.

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>>87327148
>Lynch's son is a weeb and forced his dad to watch EVA

So what the fuck was the deal with Audrey?

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>>87327742
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS

>>87327665
I agree right up to the point where Laura disappears. Considering it's preceded by Judy/Sarah throwing a tantrum, and Cooper here's here screams when Laura disappears, that she interfered and pulled Laura into the other world. Considering in the other world, Laura works at Judy's Diner and Sarah no longer lives in her house (instead it's a lodge spirit from the movie), Judy's actively trying to keep Cooper from taking Laura to her.

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the giant set Coop up for this fate, this is what was supposed to happen..is the giant the bad guy?

>>87327813
She was in a coma.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFQTKOiB0EM

goodbye, friend. i really hope this is the end, nothing could surpass those final scenes. all you plotfags need to leave this thread, lynch just dropped the most devastating critique on modern culture.

S2 part 1 > S1 > TR > FWWM >>>> S2 part 2

TR will probably move up a notch once I've rewatched it.

>>87327835
The giant warned him. Mike and Judy are the ones who fucked Coop over.

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>tfw this was 100% Lynch's last work, let alone of Twin Peaks
Lynchkino no longer on the menu lads ;_;

>the whole season was an excuse to make a new reality where he doesn't have to worry about all the dead people from the original series

>>87327530
>Why did Laura / Carrie have a dead body in her house?
Too keep her grounded in that reality.

>>87327635
It criticized the escapism amd nostalgia that permeates a lot of modern entertainment.

It's a brilliant double whammy. The more I think about it the better I understand the purpose of the bleakness in the ending. People are running away from their lives to watch banal bread and circus entertainment. So instead of giving them the sacharine payoff they want, let's depict reality, in an attempt to make the watcher "wake up" and strive to make that reality a better place.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/twin-peaks-finale-explained-kyle-maclachlan-interview-1035013

>Have you been surprised at all by the reaction to the finale? I think "reeling" is a great word for it. It's polarizing on a profound level, but "reeling" is a great way to describe how even the people who loved the ending are feeling after the finale.

>Well, good art asks questions, you know? It doesn't always provide answers. I think that's what we're experiencing right now. (Laughs.) It's not always the most comfortable or the most satisfying feeling. It's also asking us to consider what we've just seen. That's how I'm looking at it.

>>87327887
Can you elaborate?

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>>87327702
Yah, I actually a agree. It's cool we get to see Diane, but I feel like it would have been even nicer to have Annie back. I'm sure Lynch could have done a really good job fleshing out her character.

Guys what if Cooper is in 1989.....BC

>>87327830
Judy/Sarah acts desperate because now Laura will be by her side and she cannot activate its full "force"

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Jesus fucking Christ I just recovered from the neurotic shock I lived through after witnessing that horrible mess Lynch put together.
I cried guys, I literally teared up because I was so angry. I punched my wall and my knuckle started to swell up, I was so mad I punched the wall with my other hand as well, as I am writing this I am writhing in physical pain to forgive that NIGHT.MARE.
It's not even as simple as that they don't care about making any sense in the slightest, it's much much much more like that he hates, he actually hates the series and wants people who watched the the original to hate it more and more after each episode.
I'm done, so fucking done, I swear.

I will never forgive Lynch for fucking RAPING Twin Peaks.

OH MY GOOOOD you can't fuck something THAT important up without doing it on motherfucking purpose.
Return is most likely officially the WORST continuation of anything ever, HORRIBLE production, HORRIBLE pacing, HORRIBLE music, actors that sound and act drugged and unenthusiastic as fuck.
Even fucking Game of Thrones was much more consistent in the important parts

>>87327854
That doesn't really explain why Charlie was working with Mr C in New York though. Audrey's tied to the greater plot in some way.

>>87327925
damn...

>>87327863
Hold on

TR > FWWM > S2 part 1 > S1 > S2 part 2

There you go

>>87327733
I'll take this as the finale from now on.

>>87327884
this is also the last-ever /tpg/

>>87327806
He wasn't Booper but he wasn't Cooper either. He was Richard, who seems somewhere in between the two

>>87327888
While I admire your trips, that sounds pretty fucking dull and cliche in itself.

>>87327665
take off the trip, faggot

sheryl lee is the best actress in this entire series and nothing will ever convince me otherwise at this point

>>87327931
But Laura's not by her side, she's a wreck in Odessa.

Could it be that the Executive Producer tells in the AMA that we have 6 episodes left? (24 Golden Rule)

>Given the way you're talking about the ending, does this feel like a definitive conclusion to you? Do you feel like we've just seen the end of Twin Peaks?

>I don't know. They have had no discussions. I have had no discussions about anything beyond what we've seen. That's where it is right now. I don't have any other answer than that, I guess.

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>>87327234
>>87327317
nice

>>87326788
he left the same way he was supposed to the first time, the only difference is that evil arm didnt pop up and make the floor disappear

>>87327976
She's one of the best actresses period. I've never seen another woman on screen give as unsettling a performance with a single look of her eyes.

>>87327933
>actors that sound and act drugged and unenthusiastic as fuck
Aging 25 years will do that to you desu.

>>87327976
Grace Zabriskie > Sheryl Lee

>>87327823
>>87327742
It's a reference to the original ending of the Evangelion series. Although even the series finale of Evangelion was much, much more conclusive and satisfying than the Twin Peaks finale t/b/h.

remember when Bones used to be good?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXrjMaVoTy0

It's been good /tpg/. I'll see you in the trees.

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Keeping in mind that to be fair nothing should be dismissed outright when it comes to David Lunch, in retrospect, what do you think the dumbest fan theory you saw was? I always hated "Candie is Laura"

>>87328026
in 25 years, faggot

>>87326890
what didnt make sense about it lol, pretty straightforward story

>>87327933
Lol

>>87327965
It sounds cliché on paper, but it was handled great by the fact that Part 17 fooled us into thinking that was the direction the plot was taking and the real elements like the change of tone and the Palmer's house owner being the real one.

I stopped watching this show after episode 10 since there were other things on TV on Sundays at that point. The only way I would even bother watching the rest would be Cooper returning but it sounds like that didn't happen and likely never will. Even if it did, we get three measly fucking episodes of him or less? Might as well not even bother as it would be a joke at this point.

For me, Twin Peaks is as good as dead. This is the last post I'll make in this thread out of respect for people who do watch the show and don't want to see arguments in here.

P.S. David Lynch can go fuck himself with his bullshit.

>>87327863
FWWM is the pinnacle of all of Twin peaks

>>87327665
fuck off with these red.dit theories tripfag

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>>87327669

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>>87327734

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laura..

>>87328046
he just shows up all of sudden, it's dumb

>>87328045
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vOg0HyJpvI

>>87327977
but that is just Laura Palmer's dream, she eventually wakes up.
Think about it: the whole odessa scene was very weird and felt unnatural, even how people talk and react put me off

>>87328011
She's been fucking great too but she hasn't gotten to do the range Lee has on the show. Definitely my #2 though

>>87327734
>>87327807
Uh, guys... ?

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She's gone now...gone forever. The finale really made me feel the tragedy of that more than the show or even FWWM did.

The moment where she hopefully recognizes Coop, and their hands touch; that's what all of Twin Peaks was building towards. And then Lynch reminded us that death is final and even when you alter reality itself you still can't get away with anything that way.

>>87327148
If Twin Peaks is reminiscent of Evangelion, then Ep18 is EoE

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>>87327742
bravo anon

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CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES

>>87328118
Fuck off Lynch

25 years of laughing way to bank

>>87328029
Yeah that one just screamed waifu autism to me

>>87327234
I only watch MILF porn. Brandi Love, Regan Foxx, Alexis Fawx, Julia Ann, and Diamond Foxxx are 10/10.

>>87328141
That was just a dream, she wakes up after the scream.

>>87328071
How dumb to post your shit opinion if you're not even going to finish the show or even discuss it.

Just passing by to shit on children that didn't like ep18.

>>87327965
To Lynch, Laura Palmer is the core of Twin Peaks. That's why he dedicated a whole movie to her.
The rest is Frost shit.

>>87328144
THIS IS MY LAST FRUIT TART

>>87328181
Frost is the time travel dude

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was the girl who had the bug climb inside her ear a young Sarah Palmer

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>>87328111
he was literally in the literal first literal episode, pay attention u pleb

>>87326759
In the Black Lodge.

>>87327854
Either that or being raped by evil Cooper drove her insane and she's in some asylum, the man she is with is her Doctor.

>>87328158
>no diana prince >>87328001
> ?

>>87327169
the sex was what took them into the other reality. Just like in episode 1, the monster only appeared when the couple had sex. It was a ritual.

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>>87327888

>>87328141
Yeah, and I loved the fact that at the very end, Coop is risking everything he has just to save Laura.

>>87328209
ye

Black Lodge is one side of the motel

White Lodge is across the courtyard on the other side

Laura dreamed up Richard, and Richard dreamed up Cooper

But what is "a dream"? The self is the only thing that can be ever known to exist. When "the self" is put to sleep, what happens?

Lynch just fucking mind-poz'd my whole world view

>>87328236
stupidity. it's gotten him stuck in another dimension, again

>>87328233
What's the deaf sign of getting LYNCHED as hard as you did?

>>87328210
>VLC
>Laptop resolution
>Calls others "pleb"

>>87328029
Yeah. if anything she is maybe a foil or new themeatic girl.

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>>87327789
>Hello Mr. Lynch sir, the roadhouse is available for filming now, just give our guys a couple minutes to clean up and then we can get the extras down and then we'll be...
>I JUST HAD A THOUGHT FRIEND LETS GET A CAMERA DOWN THERE AND FILM THEM SETTING UP
>excuse me...Mr. Lynch are you sure about this?
>KID YOU DON'T GET TO THE BIG LEAGUES ANY OTHER WAY

>>87328247
Where is the purple lodge doe?

>>87327796
>>>87327530
>Can someone smarter than me figure out why his left hand is raised and what's on his stomach?

Because it looks cool. Seriously, that's probably it. Same thing in Blue Velvet with the posed, standing corpses. It just makes for a neat visual.

"no discussions" seems to be the agreed upon answer to journalists until Lynch says something.

>>87327908
To make her think she's in a real world where she's done something terrible so her mind won't wander to who she really is. But deep down she sort of remembers and the end is her snapping out of the reality or dream the Judy made because she remember that she really is Laura Palmer.

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>>87328285
>worries more about the media player he is using to watch twin peaks than about what is happening on the screen

>>87326788

No Windom Earle, no BOB, no doppelganger

>>87328257
It may be stupidity, but if he didn't do anything then Sarah/Judy would've probably just destroyed the world or whatever. Now they have a chance.

>>87328085
What even qualifies something as a 'reddit theory' as opposed to any other theory?

>>87328236
Cooper didn't risk anything, if anything he risked Laura's happiness at her suffering being over and fucked that up

>>87327796

The corpse has been there long enough to develop rigor mortis and for his stomach to bloat with gas.

>>87327884
Good. He's lost it.

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I know for a fact there are still 6 episodes left.

Wait for the AMA.

http://www.avclub.com/there-should-never-be-another-episode-of-twin-peaks-1799304744
>there should never be another episode of Twin Peaks
Do you agree?

glad that e17 confirmed Bob did not leave Cooper in e8 (that's what a lot of redditors said)

>>87328353
over 2000 characters and a trip

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>>87327854
I know. I know. It's really serious.

why the fuck were all of dianes wigs just awful shitty wigs

>>87327884
He is only 71, which isn't even old for some non-Hollywood people. He is healthy and active-minded and will likely be around for another decade and a half at least.

>>87328063
I get that, and it was very well done, but I don't think it leads the viewer into addressing their own immediate situation. That just seems like grasping for a moral. I mean we're here, talking about it. Not even talking about it with friends. Maybe it is a commentary about how far detached the modern world is from reality, but I think it's more about how fantasy is prone to descend into nightmare than fall back into "reality".

>>87328303
>Uhh Mr. Lynch, this is the 4th time you have taken the whole crew to film power lines
>THESE SHOTS ARE IMPORTANT TO THE STORY, LET ME WORK MY MAGIC
>Why?
>ELECTRICITY

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Normie-tier
>muh coffee and pie
>muh sweaters
>muh goofy characters

Pleb-tier
>muh paranomal happenings, alternate dimensions, timelines, spiritual entities
>extravagant theories extrapolated from ambiguous scenes

Passed-the-filter-tier
>this is a story about the life of a suffering but beautiful and purehearted girl, and the tragically doomed attempts of a heroic FBI agent

Ascended tier
>Twin Peaks is Christian anime

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Anyone listening to Anthology Resource vol.1? I love some of the dark ambient compositions in it, comfy stuff

So I want to watch the original Twin peaks, where do you niggas do this at?

>>87328372
where is the proofs

>>87328460
netflix

>>87328460
Netflix

>>87327301
Prior to episode 18 the vast proportion of season three consists merely of a hollow plot full of deus ex machina contrivances and convenient coincidences. The way that the fireman redirects the doppelgänger straight to the station is the clearest indication that the plot of season three, such as it is, is nothing more than a sideshow. Bad Coop and his rogues gallery of minions were full of puffed up menace, but by the finale everything was simply swept up like so many peanuts on the roadhouse floor. We were watching floor sweeping all the while.

>>87328460
rarbg

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>>87328390
>ever trusting the opinions of the idiots that fell for our fake episode 12 spoilers

>>87328460
torrent.com

>>87328460
f*ck off

>>87327208
Lmao what? He looks like total garbage.

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>>87328443
>David Lynch himself-tier: This is the story of a total QT becoming one thicc momma

>[E]verything will come back together and make sense. It will be clear.

who /kyled/ here?

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I have to go now. My planet needs me.

>>87328142
It was both EoE and the rebuilds.

>>87328247
>yfw "Black Lodge" is the part of the motel complex that always get's the shadow, while the "White Lodge" is the other side that's always getting the sun
>yfw "Purple Lodge" is actually the mind
>yfw everything that happened in Cooper's world was idealized fantasy versions of what happened in Richards real world, which we spent just half an episode in over the total series right there at the end
>For a moment we're lead to believe this is the "real world"

>but Richard was what Laura was dreaming about

MELTEDBRAIN.exe

>>87327635
It's still terrible.

>>87328460
You have to go into the forest and wait until 2:53 AM, there, you will see the entrance to a place where you can watch it.

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>>87328436
kek'd

>>87328029
The license plate stuff from early in the season.

>>87328337
Coop always gets involved with women who lead him into impossible situations, that's one of the aspects of his character (that's what happened with Windom Earle's wife

Did Lynch ultimately piss on OG series? Holy shit.

>"I don't think David feels compelled to resolve everything by any means, maybe because of the idea that it's ongoing and we'll pick it back up if we have to," he says, pointing to the differences in the way Lynch and Frost attack the material. "Maybe that's why they get together once every 25 years," he laughs.

>>87328526
>Diane died on the way to her home planet

Carrie Paige = the last missing page of Laura's diary

= the last missing piece of Laura's self?

>>87327963
So he was Richard but still retained memories of Cooper. I think that's plausible.

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>>87328142
17 is Episode 25': Love is Destructive
18 is Episode 26': My sincerity to you/One More Final: I Need You

>>87328384
Great article desu

>>87328172
He's right, tho. It's shit. Not worth wasting anymore time on. Fuck Lynch.

>>87328560
it's ok to not like it

>>87328526
people STILL don't realise diane was the dreamer

>>87328489
>>87328485
i'm a leaf and it doesn't show up

>>87327874
Maybe Mike didn't know that would happen. Maybe Mike totally underestimated Judy.

>>87328384
Fuck you. The Return was kino, but 18 was a straight up sequel hook.

>>87328656
>being a fucking leaf

Why did Diane's hair turn red?

>>87327301
THE ONLY WAY THINGS CAN HAVE MEANING IS IF THEY HAVE A DIRECT CONCRETE PLOT LEVEL EFFECT ON THE FINAL SCENE!

you sound like a complete retard lad!

w-when did Sheryl become such a hot mom?

>>87328560
brainlet

I bet about as complex a thought that enters your mind a week is "should I eat on the right side of mouth, or the left?"

How long has it been since you read a book anon.

>>87328656
Then you must go into the woods and find the black lodge.

Good luck.

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>>87328629
>yfw David Lynch releases a 6 hour long Fire Walk With Me 2 movie

>>87328526
>when you're surrounded by all your friends but you're so woke that you gotta leave the dimension

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>>87328024
>>87327742
>tfw never even heard the dub voices before now
What piles of shit

>>87327742
should've done the sub

>>87328653
>retards STILL think that there is "the dreamer" in a series where we are clearly and obviously presented with several different fucking dreamers

>expecting closure in a series that wasn't supposed to get closure

u wot

Who's ready for Twin Peaks: The Return: The Missing Pieces in a few years?

ITT wtf I love unsatisfying conclusions now!

>Men Age Better Than Women

The Showtime Production

>>87328526
ronald mcdiane lol

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You didn't think I would do it again, did you?

I'm kinda scared to go to sleep after watching the finale

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>>87328794
She looked better than Kyle in these scenes

I love Kyle but the dyed hair makes him look worse and older

>>87328772
For Eva the dubs are significantly better than the shitty Japanese 'acting'. The only reason you'd watch it subtitled is because your pretentious faggot , seeing as we're on /tpg/ I'm not that surprised I guess.

>>87328715
>still can't come up with a good reason why it's not shit

>>87327440
nah it was pretty good

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>me on the left when it cut to black with Laura's scream ringing

COOPER AND ALL THE LODGE SHENANIGANS WAS A FEVER DREAM OF RICHARD'S WHERE HE IMAGINED HIMSELF AS A WACKY PERFECT DETECTIVE INSTEAD OF THE MUNDANE BORING MIDDLE OF THE ROAD GOOD/BAD GUY HE REALLY IS.


BUT THEN WE FIND OUT LAURA DREAMED UP RICHARD OUTSIDE OF THAT


LAURA WAKES UP FROM HER DRUG INDUCED DREAM AND VOWS NEVER TO SMOKE WEED AGAIN, TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION IS THE WAY
L Y N C H E D

>>87328790
you found it unsatisfying because you had the wrong expectations. the people who expected an uncanny & surreal series were satisfied, people like you who despite the constant warnings in every single fucking thread were still stupid enough to expect mark frost to spend 20 minutes explaining lodge lore at the end and a neat little bow ending for every single character were deservedly LYNCHED.

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>>87328790
It's only unsatisfying if you're a mcfucking Redditor.

gimme a new bread

>>87328790
>unsatisfying
>now
nibba

>>87328790
There were many conclusions though.
The whole Return duel between Coop and Boop got ultimately resolved in a great climax.

>>87328862
>I love Kyle but the dyed hair makes him look worse and older
How can you tell his hair is dyed?

>>87328904
what if richard was dreaming himself as richard horne......... lads.......................

>>87328869
Fuck off, the Japanese cast is LEGENDARY.

Who Was The Anonymous Billionaire Though.

>>87328775
you just don't get it bub

>>87328965
and his bad side kills his "real self" as a young man

it fits

>>87326682
>>87326682
thread up and rolling

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>>87328869
Get fucked niggy, why should I watch something with an unofficial audio track over it

>>87328964
natural hair is not the same colour on every hair, dyed hair doesn't have that variation

>>87328906
>>87328919
>>87328934
>>87328957
>Guys look how deep and patrician I am, I don't even need my TV shows to to make sense!

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>>87328852
>season 1: Cooper gets shot, Audrey's kidnapped
>season 2: Cooper trapped in a nightmare world, Audrey's possibly dead in an explosion
>season 3: Copper did ?????? trapped in alternate reality, Audrey's in a coma...maybe or something
why did I honestly expect anything different

>>87328895
it had good moments

like peanuts in shit

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>>87328709
From birth

That end credit music was fucking soulcrushing.

>>87328227
Never heard of her. Is she retired?

>>87329013
>wahh i am 10 years old i have never heard of surrealism i cant appreciate storytelling that isnt like fight club where the end spends 10 minutes explaining to you exactly how everything went down in objective reality hold me please mark frost and whisper lodge lore in my ear

>>87327463
Go enjoy your life, anon. Life's too short for thinking about things that make you upset.

>>87329002
that's a crappy thread though

>>87328896
What did he mean by this?

>>87329107
Surrealism is fine but stories still need to go somewhere to be meaningful.

>>87329036
Yeah, literally made me cry.

>>87328372
>Wait for the AMA.
literally fuck off

>>87329198
[art] needs to [do thing the way i like it] to be meaningful

:-)

and how did it not "go somewhere" lol, did your picture freeze up for the last hour and nothing happen? did the tone not change in your version? in what way did it not "go somewhere" lmao

>>87329013

It makes perfect sense you're just a adhd riddled autistic RETARD

>>87327540
Wow! All this hate reminds me of the reaction to FWWM when it first came out and now everyone thinks is one of the best things Lynch did. Give it time, people. Let it sink in and then judge the work on its own terms and not by what you wanted it to be. I've said it before and I'll say it again I loved Twin Peaks The Return. I exceeded all my expectations.

>>87329484
I meant "It exceeded all my expectations" lol

>>87326753
based hawk hater / black granny lover

>doorknob girl appears in the finale
>Audrey doesn't