/tpg/ - Twin Peaks Genera

>>87312056
>Does this mean that Cooper will become a teapot in the future?
What does Lynch mean by "dreamer"? In my opinion, he means not that anyone is sleeping in the sense of lying in bed, but rather that they're a creative force that "dreams" a possibility and then makes it real.

So sorry to be a morrowindfag, it's just an analogy I don't think Lynch and Frost read the lore or anything, but Jeffries, Cooper, and Briggs are dreamers. In a sense, Jeffries and Briggs go the Vivec path, and Cooper goes the Dagoth Ur path. Cooper is at the center, and all things are real and unsymbolic, but he does not know he is dreaming, and seeks to interpret things i.e. fix them.

I don't think Cooper will be a teapot / disembodied head. He's the Sixth House, seeking to remake the world (note both Cooper and Doppelcooper make tulpas - ash vampires). Only unlike in Morrowind, this doesn't signal that Cooper is evil, only that he's an active creative force in the world. What he's only beginning to learn at the end is that merely changing events is not fixing anything. The same forces at work. Again, he's at the point where reality is uninterpreted but he's still interpreting it. He's acting on a plan that he, Jeffries, and Briggs began together when they were all at the same place. Jeffries and Briggs transcended that place, but Cooper has not.

I think you can take the Briggs/Jeffries to have "given up" on the plan and to exist in uninterpreted space. They basically give Cooper "The Plan to Defeat Dagoth Ur" which they wrote together back when they thought it mattered. It doesn't matter: the plan is wrong, because it interprets reality in a certain way, which is that Cooper can go save Laura. But Laura is not a high school girl, Bob is not the "evil that men do," The Experiment is not just some entity to thwart.

There are some undefendable issues with this series.

>>87313177
That's Mark Frost dressed as Pete by the way.

t. worked on the show

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Make sense of it.

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>>87313177
friendly reminder that doppelcoop did nothing wrong and Cooper was the real fuck-up the entire time

Why does this thread hate Wild West?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gImcsvtASQc

Normal Cooper saved normal Laura Palmer.
Then Judy (in Sarah Palmer) steps in to fuck with the future events because she gets really upset that DoppelCoop is dead and Laura is alive.

Now they must find Sarah Palmer to stop her from doing more damage. 1 timeline.

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Media that prepared you for this?

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>>87314589
Thank Dougie.

>>87314589

Catastrophic, right?

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Laura wasn't taken by Judy. She was taken by the Fireman, they were walking just by Jack Rabbit's Palace when she disappeared.

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>no set design, feels empty and lifeless
>no interesting ideas for storylines and generally bad writing (Only Diane and Audrey were raped and only offscreen, green glove man doesn’t use his STD-proof glove and super strength to fist James)
>horrible dialogue that’s unoriginal or just bad ("fuck you, albert" “I was raped by Cooper” “Holy shit dougie your cock is 13 inches long” “Wilson so help me God if you fuck up one more time I will skull your entire family to death and ship your ass out Guantanamo Bay to get gangraped for the rest of your miserable life”,etc. )
> flat, one-dimensional characters (Major Briggs, Phillip Jeffries)
>storylines and characters are introduced for no purpose (Homeless men raping people in the 1950’s, security guards running off to masterbate in New York alleyway’s, etc.)
>shot in digital in a way that doesn't compensate for the technology's disadvantages (looks yucky)
>roadhouse scenes (Not enough Eddie Vedder, everyone didn’t ask when Eddie Vedder isn’t on screen ‘Where is Eddie Vedder and what is he doing’)
>student-tier storytelling/editing (characters are shown walking, very short descriptions of rape scenes with no use of floating heads or dog bones)
>obviously delusional and/or inexperienced fanbase perceiving it as particularly complex or "deep" (Cooper clearly never got his mind back as Eddie Vedder beautifully sang)
>can't compare to the original series that doesn't have those problems (James beautiful storylines, Harry being pushed to the limit trying to stop the love of his life from killing his best friend, Windom Earle and his genius plans and very subtly villainous acting)
>extended pitch black scenes because of a lack of a competent cinematographer
>audio issues with microphone static left unaddressed because of poor sound design
>extremely poor editing with magically disappearing extras and production staff accidentally walking into frame
>somehow the best thing in tv history

>>87314598
Because we prefer the original, not the cover.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zXKtfKnfT8

so how did they film 2017 coop with 1992 laura?

was he talking to him unused footage that wasn't in the missing pieces or what?

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>tfw you realize episode 18 doesn't mean anything because Lynch made it so even he wouldn't know what was happening

>>87314637
>no set design
What the HECK do you even mean by this?

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This is Sheryl Lee, a very talented and lovely actress who worked very hard to ensure you all enjoyed the season finale.

Say something nice to her!

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>>87314598

LISSIEEEEEEEEE

>>87314675
Thank you!

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>Carl didn't get any kind of ending for his character
IT'S NOT FAIR, EVEN IF THERE IS A SEASON 4 HDS WILL PROBABLY BE DEAD BEFORE IT FILMS

>>87314632
Fireman = good Giant?

>>87314521
"M*A*S*H" is good

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>>87314675
Sheryl Lee is a considerably amazing, remarkably genuine, extremely gorgeous, unbelievably lovable, highly intelligent, tremendously talented, unquestionably amazingly sweet, outstandingly caring, exceptionally kind, adorably cute, legitimately worship-worthy, particularly huggable, decidedly amiable, factually fantastic, comfortably well-mannered, undeniably compassionate, naturally real, understandably soul-strengthening, specially heart-warming and extraordinarily wonderful lady with the most stunningly beautiful smile and the softest, silkiest voice that has meditative and calming qualities not found anywhere else in this solar system who is unfairly inflicted with the blood disease of Neutropenia, which causes a lowered concentration of white blood cells in the blood, and she is not deserving of suffering from such illness!

>>87314632
Are you deaf? You hear the animal noises in Sarah's house just before she disappears and screams.

>>87314657
seems like it was just sheryl lee wearing a wig, filmed in the dark, with some cgi to de-age her

>>87314671
wow your new

>>87314657
Make-up, digital de-aging, lighting.

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>>87314675
I'm sorry I ever doubted you Cuteposters!
The finale was amazing and Sheryl's performance was top tier.

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Reminder that Dougie never woke up from the coma and the last 2 parts are his dream.

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>>87314589
WIFE?

Would be funny if Laura Palmer was screaming again because she saw another Coop in the bushes.

http://www.strawpoll.me/13860989
>http://www.strawpoll.me/13860989

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Look at the people in this thread, wanking over wildly different interpretations. You are nothing but rabid fanatics, trying to preserve the illusion that this is some work of genius. The irony is that, the more you try and dissect it, the more you expose it to be a worthless piece of art which entirely failed to transmit any proper, meaningful feeling to its audience.

>>87314675
This episode makes me hope Lynch's hypothetical last film is with her as the lead, it doesn't even need to be Twin Peaks related

There was so much hope after episode 16, one of the best episodes in this show, that Lynch could perform another masterpiece final like he did for season 2.

And he fucked it all up. First with the shitty part 17 and then even more dreadful part 18. Eat cement and die you talentlass hack, Lynch.

>>87314746
>Dougie was the dreamer all along

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>>87314756
god fucking damn it i wanted 'belushi' not 'bellhop'

Do you guys believe in a season 4?

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>>87314781
>>87314789

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Which story is that, Charlie?

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>>87314819

>>87314781
its alright sweetie

>>87314681
Is this the house from Inland Empire?

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>>87314789
you got pleb filtered desu

>>87314773
I don't get it. Judging from the threads it seems very mixed with at least 50% not liking this new show.

Yet the polls seem to be mostly one-sided to loving it.

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>>87313177
>next Sunday
>intro of whatever's airing instead of twin peaks
>paper ripping effect on the whole screen
>twin peaks intro music starts

post yfw

>>87314789
>shitty part 17
>being THIS mad
kek

>>87313219

The problem here is that Cooper doesn't even know a fraction of any of that.

When he gets his mind back he springs into action because stopping Mr C and BOB is an immediate and clear goal.

But after that the entire "save Laura" by hopping through realities is very weird since he simply does not have enough information to go on.

I mean he attempts to use the lodge in an expert level but is going off tard-level instructions by the Fireman.

He essentially doesn't know shit from shynola.

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>Cooper: Phillip?
>Phillip: Please, be specific
>Cooper: The date, February 23rd, 1989
>Phillip: I'll find it for ya
>Phillip: It's slippery in here
>Phillip: It's good to see you again, Cooper
>Phillip: Say hello to Gordon if you see him
>Phillip: He'll remember the unofficial version
>Phillip: This is where you find Judy
>Phillip: There may be someone
>Phillip: Did you ask me this?

>Phillip: Cooper remember...
>MIKE: ELECTRICITY

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>>87314886
vocal minority fampai

>>87314781
wtf i hate twin peaks now

>>87314886
This is why I had to ask.

I think most people nitpick because they love it overall. I get that.

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What are your general thoughts on this series of Twin Peaks and its finale?

http://www.strawpoll.me/13861025
http://www.strawpoll.me/13861025
http://www.strawpoll.me/13861025

What are your general thoughts on this series of Twin Peaks and its finale?
What are your general thoughts on this series of Twin Peaks and its finale?
What are your general thoughts on this series of Twin Peaks and its finale?

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>>87314886
Whenever people don't like an episode of a show on /tv/ they shitpost and spam really loudly about it so it looks like everyone hates it. Then people do polls and only like 10 people hated it. Happens every time.

>>87314937
Is Coolio Judy?

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Is Part 18 the bleakest ending of any Lynch work? The only thing I think that compares is Mulholland Drive's.

>>87314789
Episode 17 was great, but 18 was irredeemable trash

If you watch the owl cave symbol break apart in the final Jeffries scene, it breaks into a seven, zero, and then an eight. The house number of the Palmer residence. This is right after Jeffries tells Cooper where Judy is.

Also, note what happened before Mr. C warped to the sheriff's station. When we saw the Fireman and his pals, the screen they were watching showed the Palmer house. But the Fireman waved his arm and the screen moved over to show the sheriff's station instead. Then Mr. C was dumped out there.

My interpretation is that the coordinates were "supposed" to warp Mr. C to the Palmer house — because that's where Judy is — but the Fireman hijacked things somehow, and sent Mr. C to the sheriff's station instead, where he'd walk into a trap.

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>>87314934
So the year Cooper and Laura at the ep.18 are is 1989? That has been completly fucked with since Sarah Palmer is not in her own house?

>>87314924
That's not the problem. That's why Ep18 played out the way it did.

>>87314886
We had a sticky, so it's not just people who watched the show and didn't like it spamming, but you also get the general crowd who like to shit on popular things.

>>87314886
Plebs who didn't like it are literally seething and spamming while they cry.

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Find who?

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Why is this image shown in complete shadow and lack of color now

What did Laura say, why is it relevant now when normalCoop took rescuedLaura to Sarah Palmer's former house

>>87314632
ANIMAL LIFE you moron

the fireman saying listen to the sound was a warning, along with "richard and linda" to the tricks that Judy was going to use

>>87314657
i was really impressed by this to be honest. i knew it wasn't possible, but for a sec i thought that was some unused fwwm footage

>>87314604

what's the top right quartet from?

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What year is this? What year is this? What year is this? Hahahahahaaha What year is this? What year is this? Hahaahhahahaha What year is this? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaah

>>87314604
>Bioshock Infinite

That's the most pleb ending in the history of "deep" endings.

>>87315020
Oh ok, so the people who watched it and didn't like it aren't allowed to comment? I'm sorry, I thought this was a discussion thread, not a fucking circlejerk

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>episode 17 with its goofy fan-servicey wrap-up of the DoppleCoop plot is at a 9.7 on IMDB, the highest rated episode
>episode 18 with it's amazing ending subverting Cooper being this perfect agent solving everything is at a 9.3

Fucking normies, I swear

>>87315037
Oh yah totally forgot we have no fucking clue what that's about either... fucking lynch.

>>87314986
>modern cars and weapons
>1989
anon, are you stupid?

>>87314986
It doesn't make sense for it to be 1989. They made no attempts to stage it as in that period.
>That has been completly fucked with since Sarah Palmer is not in her own house?
Chalfont / Tremond was "in" the house. Literally, watch season 2.

>>87314963
I think the finale was both good and disappointing.

Guys wtf happened to Audrey?

>>87314781
are you the dude who keeps talking about a Christmas Carol?

>>87314681
Is this house actually in Odessa?

>>87315101
Yeah I know what you mean. I don't know how I feel about it. But I don't hate it so I guess it's good for a finale.

>friend hasn't seen s3 yet
>says "well as long as it solves the cliffhanger it's alright"

Should I tell him?

>>87315058
Orpheus, highly recommend. Part of a surreal trilogy which at least in part informed some aspects of Twin Peaks.

Bottom line, this is a vision of David Lynch and Mark Frost, if you don't like it, watch something else. Whether or not you gave 18 hours of your life to go on a journey to see if everything is going to either make sense or work out in the end is on your heads and not David Lynch or Mark Frost. If you are a die hard fan who will hope a future movie, book or series will answer all the open ended questions, or you are a fan that has lost sleep or is no longer a fan, that's on you. All in all, you did not watch a series made for you but a series (story) made by two Artist who wanted to tell their story....period. However, we live in a post "Breaking Bad" world that requires TV shows and films to have a structured story that ties everything together in the end with a proper resolution. The exact opposite of what the fans witnessed at the end of Twin Peaks. Bottom line, if you want a narrative that has your proper beginning, middle and end with a climax, resolution and and overall message to the stories theme and plot, you can find this in most of the movies and shows that Hollywood produces. Lynch's fans pride themselves on enjoying an avant-garde mix of visuals and sounds that are not only entertaining but somewhat spiritual on the way they are showcased. To many, this has not been the case after the series finale. Most will question why Lynch introduced so many characters that were pointless to the overall story, why he left the audience with so many unanswered questions and why we the audience was witnessed to a circus of long winded scenes that either gave you a head ache or prolonged scenes to the point that you kept questioning Lynch's motive?

>>87315120
Sail Cooper lol

>>87314819
That was the exact point I knew there would be no definitive end to it all.

>>87315120
>Gotta light hobo is actually Cooper after a thousand time jumps

>>87314657
Very very well done effects considering the effects from the rest of the return. It felt so surreal.

>>87315076
lynch brand goofy fanservice is great tho dont disparage

>>87315120
So did they skip to a different universe here?

>>87315076
Like you said, 17 was a fan-service easy resolution that's hard to dislike, whereas 18 was much more challenging to the viewer. I'd be willing to bet that 18 has higher average reviews but more people rage-voting 1/10

>>87315116
Lmao, yeah, that's me

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>Are you out there
>To take away my fear?
>I haven't lost my hope
>Even though I am so far from my home
>I've been living my life on the edge
>Slip and fall if I take one more step
>There's safety in numbers, I guess
>But I'm going rogue in the wild, wild west
>Wild, wild west

PIC WAS EVIL LAURA THE WHOLE TIME. LISSIEFAGS WIN.

>>87315147
Like George Lucas making a mistake with Episode 1-3, Lynch had no real collaboration with others but had full creative control with his vision. With that said, this is the final result. In a nutshell, I use the Monica Bellucci scene to rap up Season 3 as a whole. Lynch filmed a single scene in France and wrote a scene specifically for Monica Bellucci (who played herself) for the soul purpose of going to France and getting to work with Monica Bellucci. This is a perfect example of the Ego corrupting all. Lynch did not have to waste time and resources to fly a crew out to France or the cast a specific Actress in order to make the scene work. Lynch could have saved money and time by casting another actress and filmed this small scene on location to save time and energy. This is what 99% of most Directors would have been told to do and would have complied. However, Lynch's vision required this. As a fan of Twin Peaks, you need to answer the question on your own whether you decide to take it or leave it.

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his hairstyle looks like he were Gordon Cole

I'm worried I'll never be able to stop thinking about this ending.

>>87314963
pretty interesting. we overwhelmingly liked this series but there's a substantial minority that were disappointed by the finale.

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>>87314690
He'll be "terminally ill" in season 4.

>>87315161
why
>>87315165
The Lodge and "Fireman House" whatever place has clipart aesthetics. I think it looks cool in a visual way.

The nuke was beautiful. The monster was beautiful. Laura de-aged was beautiful.

>>87315208
this

>>87315147
Good golly, I wish I was this woke xD

>>87314977
The Straight Story is pretty bleak imo if you decoded the truth

>>87315142
>we never see Coop brush his teeth

>>87314980
L Y N C H E D

>>87315208
>>87315225
this. what the fuck. how can I go back to work?

>>87315259
In the show it was but not the movie.

The finale was fucking great.
And no I'm not voting in any gay poll.

>>87314789
L Y N C H E D

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Are you wondering about some of the loose ends, Peaks fans? Worry not, as my next exhilarating novel in the Peaks universe will tie up everything!

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Sheryl Lee

>>87315037
>>87315081
I NEED TO KNOW

>>87315142
technically it does solve the cliffhanger

bad coop is dead

but it introduces an even bigger cliffhanger

>>87314859
No RR2GO signage.

>>87315120
lol dale grew big belly hahaha just kidding

>>87315232
there's a "truth" to the straight story? what? i mean the premise is pretty sad as it is. i don't see how it could be sadder.

>>87315037
The guy she killed obviously. She's assuming a lawman would be looking for that guy and she's pretending she doesn't know where he is.

>>87315267
Gotta vote chubber otherwise it ain't valid

>>87315208
No kidding. Been thinking about it for 10 hours now. I want to stop this madness.

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>>87314986

>1989

>Modern cars
>Coop has an iWatch
>Odessa population on the sign is the one from the current census
>Newspapers have headlines about alternative energy.

It's 2017. The people saying Coop is in the past and actually met young Sarah Palmer were just super double-retarded.

He's in 2017.

I'm still not sure if episode 18 was a daring and uncompromising conclusion... or shameless sequel bait.

Will there be a Season 4?

http://www.strawpoll.me/13860508
http://www.strawpoll.me/13860508
http://www.strawpoll.me/13860508

http://www.strawpoll.me/13860508
http://www.strawpoll.me/13860508
http://www.strawpoll.me/13860508

i dont remember carl from the original series but my memory is trash tier

So who the fuck was Billy?

>>87315317
So, if it is 1 timeline. JudySarahPalmer got wind of normal Coop coming to fuck her evil fucking shit and left the town?

>>87314862
I thought the same thing.

>>87315329
he wasn't in the original series but he was in fwwm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPQRu4iOMeQ

>>87315113
This kind of bugs me. Why even bring her back just to have a few scenes of fuckery? I guess you can infer that she's still in a coma, which just makes me wonder why she was even in this season and not just mentioned by Ben like, "oh yeah, Audrey is still in a coma."

>>87315329
FWWM not TOS

>>87315363
Red herring.

>>87315329
He's from Fire Walk With Me

>>87315317
They obviously drifted back in time during the night drive scene

>>87315317
what about this screenshot is explicitly 2017?

i agree with you though, if anything dale and carrie's age is enough reason to believe it's the same time as the rest of S3

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So what was the deal with Cooper telling Gordon to find him if he ever disappeared? That seemed weirdly desperate to me. Was it to show that Cooper realizes in some way he's in way over his head against supernatural forces?

So where the fuck did they get that black and white footage of James and Laura? Was that from FWWM? Or Missing Pieces? Or was it just unused footage?

>>87315372
I thought he was going to hang dong.

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>>87315312

>we have to share the board with people this stupid

>>87315372
nice bitch tits fag

>>87315372
Someone post his legs please

That cooper and Diane sex scene was hot hot

>>87314657

There was supposed to be follow up films for FWWM, they would have gone the same route, so they already had Cooper and Laura in the woods in the can a long time a go.

>>87314675
Sheryl should legit get all the Emmys.
I don't even care she had like 10 minutes of total screentime in The Return, she deserves it purely from FWWM

Wasn't Cooper already a sex crazed weirdo hiding his true self behind his goofy facade? Did we see the real Dale Cooper last night?

>>87315363
She is bridging the timelines.

>>87315329
He only appeared in FWWM.

Watch that if you haven't yet.

Did anyone notice after lucy shot doppelcoop, when Andy ran past her it was the third person perspective of the vision he had of her?

>>87315339
two characters:
fictional character created by the subconscious of Audrey Horne.

notorious, unseen acquaintance of several Twin Peaks residents.

>>87315301
I don't know where it shows the outside of the RR in any of the episodes that I have downloaded. Do you have a good shot? Because you're right.

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So what's up with this guy.

>>87315359
People who don't understand what happened with the Tremonds / Chalfont in the Palmer residence need to watch season 2 and FWWM. It requires no explanation. Just watch the show.

>>87315388

All the scenes I listed took place after the night drive scene. >>87315390

Booper and his freaky little smiles were the best part of the season

So we'll see Gordon Cole and dale cooper back in more shenanigans 25 years from now?

>>87315372
something about coop after he woke up in the hotel was very off-putting. I realise he was like a neutral version of both Coop and doppelcoop combined, but it was so werid to watch.

>>87315385
I suppose so. But like half of this season was red herrings. I like Lynch but I think it's a little weak.

>>87315385
stop calling everything a red herring

ben being the killer was a red herring. unexplained threads are not

>>87315394
FWWM, but in color

>>87315444
He hates jews

>>87315423
I like the theory that the real Cooper went back to being Dougie and the one he created in the lodge was the one which ended up in Texas.

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>>87315400
same desu

>>87315425
What

>>87315475
Red trout red herring red herring

>>87315194
That same character was played by Lynch's son in the TV series.

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>>87313177
DUDE LET'S MAKE THE ENDING AND CATHARSIS OF FWWM COMPLETELY POINTLESS LMAO

>>87314781

You know you're actually supposed to listen in school?

Why Audrey husbands midget an then tall

>>87315449
i remember them, but i'm not sure what it means that they're in the Palmer house. they were in a trailer in FWWM and in one of the houses on Laura's food run thing. is that the connection??

>>87315363
I think the stuff with her dreamworlds will prove very useful for making sense of the series in retrospect. Remember also, the arm quoted her question about which story it is: >>87314841

>>87315390

The headline is "Utilities Planning Effort Into Alternative Energy". For Texas that's a modern headline.

>>87315449
I've watached it like twice but years ago

>>87315493
I hate cisgender Jews also

i don't think there will be a S4 and I don't really one BUT honestly it could really work to set up another season. cooper is in a completely different reality/dream, where anything can happen. we really could get a whole new journey for cooper to go on. i think this is the end though.

>>87315500
Blame Cooper. He was insistent on saving Laura and fucked everything up.

>>87315528
You're a gay black advertising executive who sells drugs and watches anime?

>>87315500
More like "let's make the whole series pointless because now the whole fucking timeline is different".

Lynch Lynched himself with this crap.

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This ending made more sense

>>87315535
It's not about where they were before. It's about the fact that them owning the house and living there is a lie.

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What did he mean by this?

>>87315528
bcs is the only one on there i watch/have watched

>>87315190
you're shitposting but is their really something to the songs introduced by the MC having specifically to do with certain characters? Lissie, NIN, Vedder, James, etc.?

>>87315536
Audrey had dreamworlds? What?

>>87315581
why is the lady and her husband lying about that?

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Look at what I ate while watching twin peaks

>>87315585
dougie take crack

>>87315576
I T A L L

R E T U R N S

T O N O T H I N G

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When do you guys think we'll get another show like Twin Peaks? A show that completely subverts expectations and covers such weird topics like doppelgangers and alternate realities?

Will we ever?

>>87315037
The dead guy on her couch

>>87315576

Well yeah but that's one of the greatest endings of our age. It's not a fair comparison.

What if none of it means anything

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>>87315500
That's part of the horror of the ending of 18. Laura was the hero of her own story in that she managed to avoid a lifetime of possession by BOB and escape him in death by dying on her own terms.

Cooper's not the hero of this story, he fucked it up irrevocably by trying to save someone who didn't need saving.

>>87315624
nope.

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>>87315585
dougiw need rock

>>87315585
In early 2015, MacLachlan was going through a debilitating crack cocaine addiction. Lynch made it clear that unless Kyle clean himself up he wouldn't be coming back to series 3.

>>87315615
You just keep on letting me down

>>87315624
Never cuz Lynch is probably one of the few mainstream, famous, western surrealist directors.

>>87315444
He's becoming The Giant.

>we are one and the same

>>87315576
That's because EoE isn't remotely that complicated and confusing unless you're a complete retard who wasn't paying attention at all.

Also EoE was a nice conclusive ending meant to close out the series without much in the way of dangling unresolved plotlines. It's nothing really like the end of The Return.

>>87315443
I don't unfortunately. The first episode with Norma/Shelly, Episode 15 might have some good stuff... it's sort of just sprinkled throughout.

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>>87315624
we already have it budd

>>87315495
Virgin here, do people really put their underwear back on after fucking?

>>87314675
No matter what you thought of the way Lynch handled the plot of the ending, Sheryl Lee was fucking amazing and deserves a ton of credit for her acting

>>87315624
nigga we have rick and morty

>>87315611
absolutely disgusting

>>87315528
>One Punch Man
kek

Is there a webm of Cooper deep frying those guns, Peak Americana?

hey mark if you're reading this what does the book say about the ending. you can tell us, I promise i'll send you the 15 dolllars.

>>87315701
Look at this reddittttt fag here

Anyone who wants to experience a video-game with a heavy Lynch influence should check out Pathologic. It reminds me of The Return in many ways. Doppelgängers, supernatural entities of evil, a blurred line between reality and dreams, Etc.

>>87315624
No. TV and cinema have been dead since the dissolution of the USSR. There will never be another good movie or TV show ever again.

>>87315718
Nah. Usually after washing their genitals in the sink.

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The white horse seems to still be a major through line.

>>87314675
you're quite good

>>87315701
>>87315725
are you guys actually serious or is this bait?

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>交代, that is "jiāo dài", is Chinese meaning 'to explain'. The ultimate negative force is explanation. Lynch's life philosophy. Son of a bitch.

>>87314604
Is that Orphee?

>>87315728
Yes I know

>>87315624
Yeah, it's called Lost and it fucking sucked. Twin Peaks is suis generis.

>>87315607
A bunch of the Roadhouse scenes were dreamed up by Audrey, for instance. Maybe not the right word. But what we as the viewers see isn't always "real." We saw many scenes that were actually just Audrey. It's also worth thinking about the sort of meta commentary with, "Which story is that, Charlie? The story of the little girl who lived down the lane?" and its repetition from the arm.

>>87315608
That's up to speculation, but what you can know is that they intercepted Cooper and Laura's visit to the house. It is absolutely not that he showed up in some year or timeline where this other family just happens to own the house. The magician set them up.

>>87315750
Link's Awakening was basically The Return.

It's funny since LA was inspired by Twin Peaks.

>>87315772
it's definitely a cheeky post but technically it does qualify, whether you like the show or not

>>87314781
The Tranformers movies are available in Netflix.

>>87313177
just watched the finale, damn that was crazy

>>87315611
Is creamed corn any good? I've been kind of tempted to try it.

So Audrey is dead, still comatose, crazy or LODGED in some way? Her's was the most confusing out of every storyline.

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No. I always feel like myself

>>87315635
Interesting thought, why did Major Briggs help him though, what an ass

>>87315076
>amazing ending subverting Cooper being this perfect agent solving

S2 finale already did that by showing he had imperfect courage.

>>87315819
It's better than you would expect. I probably would rather just eat normal corn rather than creamed corn but it is actually pretty good.

>>87313462
like what, asshole?

>>87315819
>before the finale
>wanted donuts, pie
>after the finale
>want creamed corn
LYNCHED

>>87314977
Why are people saying Mulholland Drive is bleak? She does but her pure love lives on in heaven just like the FWWM ending

>>87315819
I loved it I had some dumpster chicken with it

Can somebody post hd version of the white horse and plate from Odessa? I want it as my desktop background.

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Anything ever come of this?

>>87315576
EoE is an emotional journey. The Return was more surreal.

>>87314592
damn mr c was badass, what a bad ending he got. What if the finale was all him having a vision in the portal?

>>87315718
Yeah, dude, it's like masturbating. Sometimes you still leak out a little extra semen for a couple minutes or so after you finish, so if you want to get all up in blankets or a sheet or whatever and don't want to get semen stains on it, you tuck that shit in some underwear.

>>87315845
AND I AM WHO I AM

>>87315801
>It's also worth thinking about the sort of meta commentary with, "Which story is that, Charlie? The story of the little girl who lived down the lane?" and its repetition from the arm.
What do you make of it?

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lmao at coop thinking he was the emperor but ending up the hangetta man

When exactly did Briggs tell Cole and Cooper about Judy? It doesn't make sense

>>87315913
Richard killed him.

>>87315946
Coop is the Fool

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>>87315902

>>87315864
How? Sorry, I have shit memory.

So was it all a dream?

>>87315913
Yes, it's meant to be a scenario that is later echoed in the booth conversations. There's no resolution to the scene/event, but it serves a purpose. Also, the focus on the door foreshadows James's experience in the boiler room which Cooper used to enter into the Dutchman's.

>>87315879
The finale is garmonbozia.

JUDY IS POSITIVE ABOUT THIS

>>87315496

Her scenes and the Roadhouse scenes involving her and Charlie's subplot (Billy) are bridges or glimpses into another reality, most likely the one Cooper created by trying to rescue Laura. That's why she never mentions her family or her rape baby, because they don't exist there.

>>87315991
At first, no, but at the end, yes.

The first 15 episodes of this show has pretty much nothing to do with the last 3 episodes. They were just filler.

Was really hoping Mr C or based Chad killed Andy, oh well

>>87315832

She's in a coma. She's been in a coma since the bomb at the bank. Every scene she had was taking place inside her comatose mind. It's why she never interacts with any of the other characters and why no one ever mentions her including her father.

She was raped during the coma and gave birth during the coma and never came out of it and is still in it in a hospital.

you people blaming cooper are forgetting that the fireman warned him of all the illusions that judy was going to make in the odessa world, so if anything, it is implied in the final seconds that laura wakes up from that fake reality her and coop are, essentialy ruining judy's plan

you would rather have her dead in the lodge?

>>87314781
It's literally trash art. Like photographs of buttholes or squirting paint out of your anus onto a canvas. Pure schlock.

But that was the point. Lynch was showing us how much of a waste of time Television is.

Mirrors are more fun.

>>87315942
lynch has never shied away from letting you know you're watching something that's fake. but just because something is fake doesn't mean that it's not real or interconnected.

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what the fuck have you done Coop

Jesus my dudes. This was the most surreal experience of my life. I'm surprised to see so much people shit on the ending here since /tpg/ defended plenty shit in the series.

I mean,God fucking damn. I know the term mindfuck is reddit but christ. This was something else. And I loved it

Ok guys, bear with me.

From the moment BOB gets defeated and Coop's face starts to get superimposed over the footage to me it signaled that the S3 reality of the show is a fabrication, a dream. Coop knows that so he without pause exits the scene and enters the lodge again where MIKE welcomes him with the magician's chant, which conveys to us and Coop that he is now a lodge spirit and can use the full range of abilities the lodge has to offer.

He goes to talk to Phillip and moves to a different part of the "dream". I think the dream reality is flexible and in flux and can be changed and rippled and so on. He does that but fails to snap Laura out of it. He basically needs for her to exit the dream as well since that solves his particular main task.
He fails at that since another major player (the Experiment) intervenes.

Then he goes back to the lodge to try again. We see him opening curtains with a commanding twirling motion of his hand, suggesting he already knows how to use the lodge magic.

But at this point things are a bit weird.
Why that whole thing with Diane? Why take her along with him? Why the whole weird motel sex segment? It kind of suggests some sex magic ritual since they're so cold and methodical about it, but even afterwards Coop doesn't seem to concerned about where Diane went, like she means nothing to him.
Coop from then on acts like he knows it's all a dream reality and doesn't particularly care about finesse and wants just to get the job done the most efficient way possible.
The end, again, suggests the Experiment trumps his powers and can alter reality faster than Coop can react and anticipate for it.

But the entire Diane thing is just weird. Any theories on what went on there?

>>87315980
Gratzie

>>87315070
you didn't like it because you were a fanboy, occluding your mind and soul to pure kino, even if it was in front of you

>Room above Judy's place
What did he mean by this?

>>87314604
End of Evangelion all the fucking way, I was told Twin Peaks was the closest thing to nge in terms of the deconstruction and visual fuckery. I think the fuckery in eoe and fwwm is justified, and that it's mostly justified in the first 16 episodes of the return, but that ending was just jarring and lacking substance

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>>87316020

It almost happened.

>>87315960
All three were at Twin Peaks at some point during season 2 and Cooper has been on the Blue Rose team since before S1. It's not a stretch.

I was pretty confident Coop would fuck it up somehow and we'd get an unhappy ending when DoppelCoop fucked up. They were reflections of one another. It was inevitable.

>>87315966
if we're splitting hairs, everyone is everything. they represent stages of a greater cycle. see Jeffries' infinity and his whole deal really.

>>87316049
Paid showtime shills on /tv/?

>>87315701
you have to go back

>>87316049
My main issue with the ending is that, for me, it really didn't feel like a mindfuck. I just felt annoyed and confused. I didn't finish thinking "woah...", just "what?" Not a good feeling to end a series which was really strong with.

>>87316050
i can maybe dig this

>>87316021
how is this explained?

>>87316074
That scene LYNCHED me the most, I thought for the whole thing with Andy getting shot and his gut being poorly tightened body armor was true

>>87316064
You should watch Space Runaway Ideon if you haven't. Its movie Be Invoked was definitely a big influence on EoE. It's not as surreal as EoE but it's on the same scale and atmosphere.

>>87315942
Wherever Audrey is, I think lodge spirits are fucking with her to feed on her garmonbozia. In trying to remember who she even is, she thinks of her story in very simple generic terms as the story of the little girl who lived down the lane. Something that always struck me about this line is how unfitting that idea is for Audrey, though, since she had a marked difference in wealth since the pilot (dropped off at school by a chauffeur). It makes sense for Laura, though. To Coop, this is all quite serious. To the lodge, it's just a story (a "bad story," to quote Sarah Palmer).

>>87315101
Bittersweet. Good season ending but not a good finale for the show.

>>87316050

The people you see driving in the car at night are Richard and Linda. Richard and Linda have sex, not Diane and Cooper. When Cooper wakes up in the other hotel, that's Cooper.

>>87316049
>I'm surprised to see so much people shit on the ending
see
>>87314773

Diehard lynchfags, even if you loved the return, voice your criticisms of the new series, however niggling they might be.

The loose ends didn't really bother me– I knew there wouldn't be anywhere near enough time to wrap up everything neatly. I did think there were far too many inessential characters though– Red could've definitely had some involvement with dopplecoop given that he encounters his son (incidentally another character who has little to no impact on the story, don't even think coop was aware he had a son who wasn't sonny jim), and I wished there was more on becky and steven.

I think my biggest gripe though is the huge shift in tone from the 17th to the 18th part. Like, why saturate the former with so many hammy resolutions and then spend the majority of the genuine finale with silent driving scenes? even though the ending is genuinely harrowing and will stick in my mind for a while, I can't help but feel the scenes could've been better divided between the episodes.

>>87315576
The series ending was more satisfying emotionally. EoE is like Anno tried to ape Frost but had no idea what he was doing and put too much value into aesthetics. The return and the book are the extreme opposite of EoE. Visuals are either non existent or nowhere near an amazing spectacle, but the writing, themes, and use of Native American and Eastern religion in Twin Peaks and Frost's work is
incredible coherent. Anno uses christian and jewish mythos for aesthetic alone but his work makes no sense of it. Centering parts of the plot on the dead sea scrolls was his biggest mistake.

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>>87316088
I knew we'd get a sad ending when Cooper told Janey that "I'll walk through that red door, and I'll be home for good" It felt like foreshadowing to some upcoming doom to me. Rewatch 16 guys, it has a completely different feel to it now.

>>87316187

Thank you, that makes sense.

>>87316050
If it's a dream, who's dream?

>But the entire Diane thing is just weird. Any theories on what went on there?
I interpreted Diane and Coop's journey as passing into an alternate time-line. In this time-line, they were not the Diane and Coop of the previous time-line. They were different people. They were Richard and Linda. As a result, they came apart. This also explains why Cooper acts oddly.

Alternatively it could just be that Diane couldn't get over the fact that a man with Cooper's face brutally raped and killed her.

>>87316050
Something about sex must trigger The Experiment. She flips out when the two kids start fucking in front of her.

>>87316018
>t. Britbong who eats toast sandwiches

>>87316189
I didn't particularly enjoy the finale, but it wasn't enough to make me hate Twin Peaks overall or anything.

>>87315973
Y-you too

>>87316161

It was all on the screen. Like most of these questions being asked.

Odessa takes place in a reality created by or influenced in some way by Judy. This is why Coop is extra cautious. Diane wakes up with Linda's memories and runs off.

>>87316195
>I think my biggest gripe though is the huge shift in tone from the 17th to the 18th part.
I actually really liked that they were so different. I don't think it would have worked otherwise imo.

>>87316074
why did he take so long to get the key out of his boot?

>>87316021
>>87316161
They make a point in part 16 of noting that sometimes you can stay in a coma for years. Though I am still somewhat inclined to think she was brought into the same sort of non-exist-ence as Richard.

>>87316074
chad is such a fag
goes crooked, gets arrested once, resorts straight to murdering other cops
really chad?

>>87316050
I don't know if it gels with your theory, but I think the sex was one last time of affection before she disappears from the new reality.

>Coop doesnt really care, hes a lodge spirit now, losing emotion
>Diane covers her face because she looks like her rapist
>Diane cries because this is the last time before she leave to wherever

>>87315624
The Leftovers ended already

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I can't wait for Lynch's next completely unrelated series. Gold Ball Run

>>87314924
>I mean he attempts to use the lodge in an expert level but is going off tard-level instructions by the Fireman.
The problem is that no one knows what the rules of the Lodges are, or the rules of anything else, because Lynch/Frost never established them well enough.

Look at threads with people asking about what the Ring does. No one knew before Season 3, and no one knows now exactly how it works. Coop tells Laura not to put the ring on, then Mike throws Laura the ring and she puts it on. Coop puts the ring on Boop to send him to the Lodge. So does the ring protect you or damn you? Who knew what when?

It's all interesting but only to a point. It's fun thinking about it, but Lynch/Frost obviously hide a lot of their flaws within this "Figure it out"/"Nothing has to make total sense" alibi.

I'd still give it 9/10.

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>>87315413
I want to suck on Diane's spine

>>87314675
Hey Sheryl, I think you're pretty and a good actress. I hope you have a great day

>>87316043
>Get in nerd you're living in a false reality

>>87316111
well the Fool goes through all stages is my point, but I'm no tarot expert

>>87316039
This would work great for a Punished Patrick shop. This guy's characters always get the short end of the stick.

>Bob tried to kill Coop so the timeline didn't get fuck up.

>He was an Anti hero all this time.

WE'RE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY

>>87316195
got too unwieldy with lodge stuff. portals everywhere, 3 or 4 realms, giant's sudden all encompassing omnipotence and deus ex stuff like one punch lad. still my favorite show probably.

>>87316195
Andy scenes in the early episodes

>>87315780
If you want things explained you have to get into TM my friend

>>87316021
I subscribed to this theory until she wakes up standing and staring into a mirror. Surely that confirms she wasn't in a coma?

>>87316338
>>87316338
>>87316338

NEW

>>87316195
I didn't like how there were so many pointless scenes for the sake of throwing people off.

Also, Dopplecoop was poorly done. I wish we got at least one scene where he went full BOB.

I think that if it was more clear as to what actually happened people would have less of a problem. The s2 ending made perfect sense, it wasn't a resolution but it was clear and easy to understand.

The finale gives clues about what kind of things are going on at the end but thats it. That's why all the explanations are on a similar track but very different. There's obviously some kind of alternate dimension/ dream world thing going on but it doesn't seem clear exactly what.

People will just shout LYNCH IS A FUCKING HACK and claim that "it's intentionally left open to interpretation" is defense of his inability to tell a coherent story but I honestly think that he could have easily made it more straightforward as to where characters were and what was happening but didn't. Dreams are vague after all.

>>87316361
Too early, frenlo. We're still on the first page.

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>>87316223
LYYYYYYYYYYYYYYNCCCCCCCCCH

>>87315572
I think you are just stupid.

besides your nerd fanboy rage:

Pretty sure there can be multiple timelines (at least until something makes all of them converge).

We can have a season 4 where bobby and tp police fight red and his drug cartel while cooper travels multiple timelines

>>87316050
>the Experiment
who? what? Am I being Frosted?

>>87316230
“Sex is a doorway to something so powerful and mystical, but movies usually depict it in a completely flat way…” - David Lynch.

>>87316076
But then why didn't cooper and cole make the connection between judy and BOB?

>>87316195
Mr. C seemed fairly pointless in the end.

>>87316298

Lodge spirits = stands

>>87315819
extra black pepper

Part 17 was to the last episode of Evangelion and 18 was EoE.

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>>87316297
I know...

>>87316355
>Every scene she had was taking place inside her comatose mind

>>87316413
The Mother/Judy

>>87315635
source: my ass

>>87316425
only because BASED LUCY understood cellphones and saved the day

>>87316230
>Crowley identified sex as the most powerful force in life and the supreme source of magical power

>>87316404
>making convoluted excuses for Lynch's shitty finale

Who's the nerd fanboy here exactly?

>>87316303

The lodge spirits of the dark room (especially Bob) feel more like renegades than bad guys.

Mike looks more evil.

>>87315493
true
amazing

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>>87316461
She woke up but was still in a coma? That would be really cheap and also not make much sense.

>>87316355
Wherever she is, she has a contract with what she understands as "Charlie" that allows her to live on in some version of Twin Peaks.

>>87316491
But what did he even want at the pool of gold shit? I assume he was after Naido but for what purpose.

>>87316223
>it was about the bunnies
Is there a single scene in The Return that wasnt relevant?

>>87316571
holy shit, Lynch is the devil

>inb4 Lynch makes a prequel movie that's hated by everyone for not resolving any clifhangers from the ending

>>87316571
She, audrey and midget got lynched

>>87316212
But Dougie & family literally have a happy ending

>>87316020
>>87316074
>implying he had a chance
Andy has been practicing one hour, three times a week for 25 years

>>87316355
How would she know Billy though? She must have been admitted recently. Probably Dopplecoop raped her when she got out of coma, or her son raped her recently

>>87316633
it is a mystery :^)
some kind of garmonbozia scheme presumably

>>87316050
>The end, again, suggests the Experiment trumps his powers and can alter reality faster than Coop can react and anticipate for it.

what if Cooper wanted Laura to wake up. She woke up already