What are some films that deals with moral dilemmas?

MULTI RAIL

>>87296570
Almost every Villeneuve film deals with the grey area inbetween right and wrong.

Sophie's Choice

>>87296570
Lolita

>>87296624
ooooh i LOVED Birdman

>>87296570
Some of the films in the Dekalog series, I guess

>>87296570
oldboy

>>87297751
why the fuck am I laughing so hard at this

>>87298032

Because you're probably like 18 or 19

>>87298032

It's a nice subversion of the original problem with its ridiculously harmless premise.

>>87298129
The dramatic zoom helps

>>87296570

The trolley problem is the opposite of a dilemma. Saving 5 persons and killing 1 is always the best choice

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>>87298823
>being a utilitarian

>>87298823
t. double-digit iq retard

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>>87298823
What if the lone person is a beautiful woman and the other 5 are vile minorities like blacks, arabs and jews?

>>87298976
>vile
>jews
/pol/ pls go

>>87296570
>pulling the lever
I am pretty sure even being near the lever violates the NAP since you are probably trespassing.
Thus, the only logical course is to let the invisible hand of the free market decide.

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>>87299112

1.
On Twin Earth, a brain in a vat is at the wheel of a runaway trolley. There are only two options that the brain can take: the right side of the fork in the track or the left side of the fork. There is no way in sight of derailing or stopping the trolley and the brain is aware of this, for the brain knows trolleys. The brain is causally hooked up to the trolley such that the brain can determine the course which the trolley will take.

On the right side of the track there is a single railroad worker, Jones, who will definitely be killed if the brain steers the trolley to the right. If the railman on the right lives, he will go on to kill five men for the sake of killing them, but in doing so will inadvertently save the lives of thirty orphans (one of the five men he will kill is planning to destroy a bridge that the orphans' bus will be crossing later that night). One of the orphans that will be killed would have grown up to become a tyrant who would make good utilitarian men do bad things. Another of the orphans would grow up to become G.E.M. Anscombe, while a third would invent the pop-top can.

>>87299915
2

If the brain in the vat chooses the left side of the track, the trolley will definitely hit and kill a railman on the left side of the track, "Leftie" and will hit and destroy ten beating hearts on the track that could (and would) have been transplanted into ten patients in the local hospital that will die without donor hearts. These are the only hearts available, and the brain is aware of this, for the brain knows hearts. If the railman on the left side of the track lives, he too will kill five men, in fact the same five that the railman on the right would kill. However, "Leftie" will kill the five as an unintended consequence of saving ten men: he will inadvertently kill the five men rushing the ten hearts to the local hospital for transplantation. A further result of "Leftie's" act would be that the busload of orphans will be spared. Among the five men killed by "Leftie" are both the man responsible for putting the brain at the controls of the trolley, and the author of this example. If the ten hearts and "Leftie" are killed by the trolley, the ten prospective heart-transplant patients will die and their kidneys will be used to save the lives of twenty kidney-transplant patients, one of whom will grow up to cure cancer, and one of whom will grow up to be Hitler. There are other kidneys and dialysis machines available, however the brain does not know kidneys, and this is not a factor.

Assume that the brain's choice, whatever it turns out to be, will serve as an example to other brains-in-vats and so the effects of his decision will be amplified. Also assume that if the brain chooses the right side of the fork, an unjust war free of war crimes will ensue, while if the brain chooses the left fork, a just war fraught with war crimes will result. Furthermore, there is an intermittently active Cartesian demon deceiving the brain in such a manner that the brain is never sure if it is being deceived.

QUESTION: What should the brain do?

>>87298823
>whatever is best for the majority is right
Only 13% of the American population were slaves (in 1860). Slavery benefited the greatest number of people, so it was the right thing to do.

>>87296570
Watchmen

MURTI RAIR DORIFTO

>>87299028
Wake up son

>>87299940
Kill leftie obv

>>87299940
Option 2. Fuck the author, I don't care about the rest

>>87300114
You go for the 5 people here, as all 6 are lying on the track untied apparently, and therefore willing to die

>>87300114
Those people are not even tied

>>87300182
higher net suffering though

>>87303133
What game?

>>87303133
Cure cancer is the only correct choice, by the way.

>>87298823
If you touch the lever you are responsible for a man dying, if you don't touch it you aren't responsible for any of it. It's a dumb dilemma anyway because why doesn't the trolley just use it's emergency brakes? It is obviously the designers of an unstoppable trolley in the wrong.

>>87303154
Saints row 4

>>87303133

Let Them Eat Cancer

>>87296570
switch it back and forth very quick in order to derail the train and save everyone

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>>87303476
This is what happens instead

>>87298032
It's a nice joke that isn't edgy.

>>87303497
B I PICK B!

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Have fun, /tv/
http://moralmachine.mit.edu/

>>87303675
Fuck yeah I kill him.

>>87303675
Yes. Who wears red pants?

>>87303133
Depends on what they mean by "no one goes hungry." If that means death by starvation is impossible then absolutely pick that one. Energy problems are solved forever. Entropy isn't a thing. Manned space exploration got so much easier.
However if it means anything else then the cancer option is obviously the best.

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>>87298823
now what

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Cape Fear

>>87298065
>i am slightly older but because i am ridiculously bitter and didn't laugh i feel a sense of superiority
lol

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>>87303705
well, /tv/?

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You have two options:
1) You send the trolley down the first path which will kill 5 people
2) Send the trolley down the second path. If the trolley goes down the second path, one person will die. HOWEVER, further down the track, there is a person you know to be a sociopath. He can either divert the trolley so nobody else dies or allow 15 more people to die.

You are reasonably certain that the sadist is going to kill the 15 people. What do you do?

>>87304045
Help solve the overpopulation problem. If the runner were faster, she would be able to get out of the way in time.

>>87304045
Hit the single mom of course

>>87304045
hit the breaks

>>87304045
Nothing because self-driving cars should default to human driver in emergency.

>>87304070
Kill one person. Everything else is up to the sadist so I don't feel responsible.

>>87303705
Well, well, look at the city slicker pulling up in his fancy self-driving car.

>>87304306
Is that a stealth Sneed's reference

>>87304228
>default to someone asleep
yes very good

>>87304070
Who cares?
If he isn't going to kill them I'll try anyways.

>>87296570
NARC

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>>87303705
I don't understand other people. Are they retarded? How are you not entirely utilitarian in these tests?

>>87303133
Why don't you just cure everybody's cancer

And then cook the cancer meat so nobody goes hungry?

>>87303133
>Eliminate cancer forever
Does that include the cancer that is killing 4chan

>>87304458
this test has been raided by 4chan for years

>>87304458
I don't want a self driving car that EVER steers itself into a wall, I don't care if there's a thousand people in front of me.

>>87303705
r8 http://moralmachine.mit.edu/browse/1818034922

>>87298032
because you're a basement dwelling manchild with a terrible sense of humor

>>87304600
>I don't care if there's a thousand people in front of me.
t. achmed

>>87303133
If you picked the cancer option then you are in a state of infinite retardation.

>>87304045
stop?

>>87304811
Brakes are broken.

>>87304600
This. Im not going to pay money to crash into a barricade to save a cat.

>>87304143
>Muh overpopulation

Do a bit of research on just how the population of the world is distributed before spouting that bullshit.

>>87298823
>always the best choice
I'll let 5 niggers die to save one white man

>>87303705
Hit the brakes

>>87304787
People can get out of the way, the AI deliberately crashing the car should be a line that is never crossed.

>>87303705
I've thought about this and I reckon it should always be the driver who the computer puts on the lowest rung of safety because then it would force people who buy this technology to ensure that the car is able to deal with these situations properly

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>>87300182
Slavery actually fucked over most of the white population in the south, because no one could compete with slave labor. It's similar to how illegals today undercut wages, but even more extreme.

>>87296875
>Villeneuve
>Birdman

>>87303705
If you were in this situation and the brakes didn't work, why not pull up the e-brake and grind the car against the wall to help slow down to the point where the car is going slow enough that the impact with the barrier won't be fatal?

>>87304949
>ethical dilemma
>race bias
whats your point

>>87296570
I unironically wouldn't pull the lever, because I don't want to deal with the legal headache of getting arrested for murder. I'd just leave the situation alone if this were a real scenario, in all honesty.

>>87305192
That the niggers are likely to go on and either kill people themselves and/or have children that kill people. I'm saving more lives.

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>>87305192
>whats his point

>>87303133
>save people who can afford cancer cure
>save shitskins so they can breed even more

Gee, I wonder

>>87305248
not if they are all billionaires since birth

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Irrational man
and
"Le Mirage"

>>87305314
how be billionaires be real if our fiat currency isn't real?

>>87304458
What did you put for abiding by the law? I think the car should always uphold the law.

You decided to jaywalk? Fuck you, you're paying the price this time. Next optimal decision is that animals should always die before humans. Then I think it becomes a lot more grey. Personally I saved as many people as possible after that.

>>87303341
Fuck Cake

>>87305332
>muh reality

>>87304949
what about 5 black men for 1 white woman? can't choose both

>>87303705
In the event of an unavoidable accident, the car should take every effort to make sure only people in the car are hurt/killed. Failing that, it should follow a strictly utilitarian prioritization (including profession, criminal record etc).

>>87304458
You are a retard if you think going all out on saving young people is more utilitarian than the middle point that "others" have chosen.

>>87304205
SOMEBODY ONCE TOLD ME

>>87304045
Right

>>87305043
What if you are the person crossing the road and some faggot in his Tesla 2k loses control? You think its better that you get run over than the faggot in his fancy car getting smashed?

>>87305464
How about in the event of an unavoidable accident slam the brakes and go straight.
>>87305695
Yes because of the above.

>>87305434
Obviously save the white woman.

>>87303705
I don't ever want my car to purposefully ram me into a wall. I also don't want me car swerving to hit specific people in the case of an unavoidable accident. In fact, I'm not sure if I want my car to be able to recognize useful vs. not-useful types of people. If the brakes fail, they fail. Design breaks that wont fail before a super-intelligent AI that determines the worth of people.

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>>87303938
pull lever, get out of the way, become hero

>>87305099
Dubs of truth. Slavery really only enriched the aristocrats and the reliance on easy, reliable cotton income neutered any plans for southern industrialization.

Reconstruction should have fixed this, but fuck Rutherford B Hayes.

>>87304045
LESBIAN CUNTS

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>>87303705
>make the car crash into a big fuck off wall instead of applying brakes
>implying it's bad to run over a bunch o faggots who don't look both ways before crossing the street

None of these scenarios highlight the flaws of the machine, only retards who have a serious death wish and big fuck off walls, this is almost as dumb as the live for a month as a poor person game.

>>87303476
>Today's Front Page News: mentally challenged man caused a trolley to derail, killing everyone aboard the trolley as well as six bystanders crushed by the trolley as it rolled over them. The carnage makes identification hard but officials believe sixteen people to have lost their lives. The unidentified man was immediately brought into custody on a manslaughter charge.

>>87306156
Oh god. SPENT, right?
This shit is so retarded, it's literally "poor people are incapable of anything: The game"

>>87304045
Why the fuck is there just a self driving car run amok with nobody inside, surely there would be at least one person making sure everything is going smooth or to stop it when ethical dilemmas spring out of nowhere

>>87304045
stop the car at a zebra crossing when there are people on it

>>87303230
>actively doing nothing to save a life means you're not responsible
This isn't a videogame with a morality counter that you can cheese, faggot.

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>>87303705
The only correct answer is to operate by the laws of the road. A car should be programmed to hit jaywalkers if the only alternative is death, but if the pedestrians are rightfully crossing then the passengers should be the ones to die.

Fuck jaywalkers, and you acknowledge the risks of the road every time you get into a car.

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>>87306219
Well shit, thread is still young, here it is for those of you anon's who weren't browsing /v/ a few months back.
>Play Spent - Beautiful Economic Game to Show Privilege.
http://playspent.org/

>>87303705
How fucking hard its it to design the car with fail safe brakes. It's really hard to snap the E brake on most cars, in the event of an emergency just program the car to pump the E brake. If they don't have self driving cars that can operate safely then they don't have self driving cars.

Better question is what would YOU do if you were driving that car

>>87298065
>I'm 4-6 years older than you and visit the same Chinese stop motion board as you and do not laugh at silly picture, therefor I am superior.

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>>87306333
>can u survive while having $1,000 starting cash and a job that pays over $300 a week that u get immediately????
>Uh sure, I mean I'd have to really budget my meals and what I buy, I could sustain myself with rice and make an investment in multivitamins to stay healthy, the beginning would be tough but jobs usually have a lot of room for progression and having a savings account for rainy day spending would be ideal. Yeah it would be easy initially but sticking it out is the real hard par-
>btw u also have a child, a sick dog, a wife who doesn't want to get a job, the world hates u, you get sore after lifting 20 pound boxes, and u also have 1 point in luck :))))
>What the fuck, this is impossible only a complete moron with the worst luck in the world could get him or herself into a situation like this-
>oh i gess being poor isn't so easy after all, so donate to our charity plz b/c ur to privileged to understand :^)))))

>>87306372
I myself has always wondered what I'd do if I was losing control and heading towards a wall like that, or the front of a truck coming the other way. Would I swerve so that my side of the car gets demolished, swerve so that whoever's in the passenger seat gets reduced to meatsauce instead of me, or just head straight for the sucker and embrace both of our deaths? I want to say that I'd swerve so I'd die, because I'm the driver losing control and should take the punishment. But on the one hand I've got prior experience of just going "oh fuck this is going to hurt" and driving right into a low rock wall with my bike, resigned to my faith, and on the other hand survival instincts might just kick in and make me only think of myself when it really matters.

I guess I'll never really know whether I'll die a hero or live a coward until the moment presents itself.

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I agree with Affleck's decision.

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>>87303705
fuck kids tbqh

>>87305983
enchaladitos they make you want to eat-o

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>>87306333
>>87306655
>http://playspent.org/
>no options to ask my dumbass kid to pick something like track and field instead.
What do you expect me to do?

flip a coin for the single guy
flip a coin for all the other ppl
if the coin lands opposite for every other person, they live

>>87305434

Depends. What kind of Black men are we talking about? Well adjusted people that contribute? Then ill save the blacks. If we're talking about niggers then i wouldn't mind them dying.

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>>87307081
Master Shake is your slave name brother.

>>87303133
Cure cancer because it is mostly a result of chance and therefore not necessarily deserved by it's recipients, whereas hunger is the result of laziness and selfishness, both things which people can take the initiative to stop.

>>87304070
This can be calculated mathematically if you know the chance that the sadist will pull the lever

>>87306742
I race around in a supra and about two months ago my tires finally gave up the ghost during a right curve on a country road and I slipped into oncoming traffic with an f350 heading right for me, so at the last second I dove back to the right into a ditch to slow down and then all the way left, back into the road and dove between the truck and a light pole to slow down and stop in a field. Minimal damage to my car and none to the truck, no injuries. You don't need to get lucky to save your car or your life, just know what to do and react quickly. And don't race outside of a speedway

>>87306333
The guy in this is an absolute retard. There's ways to get ahead as a poor person (I personally had little options so I saved 1500 and paid for classes to be a journeyman welder) but you can't fix stupid. This dude seems like he kept piling up bad decision after bad decision until his whole life became a balancing act of just making it paycheck to paycheck. I feel like an asshole but this doesn't happen unless you're really stupid, or really unlucky. Like, literally winning the lottery levels of luck, just in reverse.

>>87303997
>>87306374
ah, projecting

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>>87297751

>Coworker of mine's house used to be a small rural trainstation
>Trains stop right in front of his yard
>BBQ'ing last weekend
>Train stops, old Dutch veteran is waving at us and looking at our grill
>Pass him a hamburger through the train window
>The whole situation was just wholesome

Felt good man

Ok /tv/, your're waifu is very sick and only one treatment can save her. Luckily your're local pharmacist just developed a treatment for this sickness. The treatment costs $500 to make but the pharmacist is charging $10000. Unfortunately your neetbux has accrued only $5000. You asked the pharmacist if you can pay what you have and he replied "lol no i invented it". Should you steal the treatment /tv/?

>>87308364
>costs $500 to make
I'd just invent it myself and run that fuck out of business

>>87303133

>Not feeding people with cancer to the hungry

shiggy

Best score yet: 947$. Im able to pay the rent and some cans of beans.

>>87307572
>hunger is the result of laziness and selfishness
Is this bait or are you a right wing retard?

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>>87308633

>>87296624
You mean like Marvel?

>>87303133
Cancer is objectively the correct answer

>>87298886
That doesn't make you utilitarian brainlet

>>87298976
What's the dog type on the left?

>>87298823
But it is unfair, because the lever was already set to kill those 5 persons, and if you act, you'd be actually killing one person instead of 5 persons dying because of fate or something.