The worst finale in TV history?

Vedderfags with the last laugh

>>87279025
without any doubt

>he didn't get it
It's okay.

depends what year is it?

>>87279348
You didn't get it either reddit

not sure how I feel.
>take a beloved character who has almost never done anything wrong
>literally fucks up the timeline in the bleakest way imaginable
my god.

>>87279025
>cooper comes back
>kills tulpa cooper
>gets warped back to the past
>tries to bring Lara to the future?
>artsy bullshit the whole season

I'm talking about the second to last though, ep17

>>87279025
It was fine. Cooper got overconfident, forgot the rules and attempted to "correct" the past.

>>87279025
Two episodes in one night ain't that bad though

>>87279025
LYNCHED

>>87279302
>A show that hasn't explained a goddamn thing all season
>Doesn't have a tidy ending
Reddit complains, but will still talk shit about people who complain they don't understand about the ending.

I completely expected Lynch to avoid ending on the note that everyone wanted which included explaining every single hanging plot line in 2 episodes.

Instead, he did the unexpected and actually have Cooper attempt to stop ALL of the problems that Twin Peaks was experiencing by going to the very start of it all and fucking up massively, just like he did in the old show.

God damn, circulations, repeats and infinity is really what Twin Peaks is all about.

more like best finale in history

>>87279649
>get a production budget
>don't go over said budget with Monica belluci dreams

Come on anon, entertainment is all about fucking the audience over

Best series finale since The Sopranos.

>>87280012
No, dammit, I want to know every single thing about every single character.

What happened to Amanda Seyfried's tweaker husband? Why was Audrey so fat?

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>>87279025
Lynched

>>87280132
Who's Audrey?

The milf waitress, how dare you she's a saint

>>87280012
Judy is infinity just like Jeffries showed him. It's very likely Cooper has been doing this for a while.

>>87280012
This. The final episode reflects the truth which is the bleak reality we live in. Episode 18 had them in the cars because that's the most familiar thing about that world, everything else is foreign. Lots of respect for Lynch.

>>87279025
quite the opposite

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Cooper saved her, she woke up
The end

25 MORE YEARS FUCKERS

>>87279537
this

once he interfered with flashback Laura thing probably got fucked up

>>87280421
Woah, that actually makes the most sense.

>>87280380
The best thing you can have in this existence is a moment like that of Cooper and Diane finally finding one another. That's as good as it gets. They knew what they were getting themselves into.

>>87280421
>Directed by David Chase
it fits though

The Return was pointless. I'm angry that even Lynch fell for the "rehash a cult classic for free hype" meme, especially to do nothing interesting with it. Episode 8 could have existed outside the Twin Peaks name easily.

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>yfw Lynch announces another Twin Peaks movie
>it takes place before season 3 and has nothing to do with the ending

can the grown-ups finally discuss the SUBTEXT of this DAVID LYNCH film please

>>87279025
Wait what? Doesnt it not air for another 30 minutes?

>What year is it?
My thoughts, too, Coop. Only right when you got up. How the hell did he not think to try figuring that out earlier?
>yfw he's possessing Richard from a better timeline who wasn't a total fuckup and eventually also became an FBI agent

>>87280695
You missed the most significant event in television history.

>>87279025

Imagine being this much of a normie brainlet.

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All these normies expecting it to end in a nice neat little bow

David Lynch is a senile old hack.

>>87280636

>its a CHET DESMOND spinoff

>half an hour of driving

i didnt like how the time was spent on screen im a big fan of twin peakse but also a piece of Shti :(

> Literally IT WAS ALL A DREAM LMAO

What a fucking hack. I hope he never works again after this.

>>87279025
It's pretty great if you paid attention to S2+FWWM. Will get better upon rewatches.

I mean it was clearly intentionally unsatisfying but I wouldn't call it bad.

Cooper fucked up the timelines and its just showing how badly he fucked up. It leaves it open for another season or it just exists as statement on the futility of trying to bring all things to how they once were. I'm not saying you have to like it but did you really expect Lynch to do something more conventional?

>>87281649
DUDE IT WAS ALL A DREAM

this is what fucking children do when they dont know how to finish their story. people have no trouble figuring out what happened, they are just frustrated that he leaves so much plot unfinished just because LYNCHED.

>>87281347
>>87281877
What are you even talking about? None of it was a dream.

>>87280012
The 8 Jeffries pulled up is of course the symbol for infinity

>>87281649
>Cooper fucked up the timelines
It was all Diane's fault though

So in the end, it's about Cooper being unable to let go of the past? He creates opportunity for a happy end for everyone, but because he didn't want to let go of the Laura Palmer case, he traps himself, just like last time.

Did they go to an alternate world where history will still play out the same? Coop saved Laura, butt then Judy pulled her into the alternate reality where she forgot who she was and has lived there for the last 25 years?

Is that basically the gist of it all?

>>87281919
>we are living inside a dream

>>87279266
vedderfags were wrong though, because he does get his mind back

>>87281877
How the fuck do you think that's what I was implying? It's not a dream, but Coop fucked up. They can pick it up from there if they want, or they won't. Neither of that is really that awful, the main story itself was solved, this other stuff with Coop and Laura is basically just extra.

>>87281954
>shadow, take me down with you
>for the last time

>expecting closure from a lynch project

the ending was amazing. when laura screamed i had fucking chills.

>>87281954
No reddit poster. Watch the first scene of the show. If you don't get it then nothing will. Hint: He's not saving Laura out of the kindness of his heart.

>>87280421
Woke up,.. where

>>87282054
If you are satisfied with how the main story was "solved", you would applaud literal cuck porn if only Lynch had his name on it. So many years of mystery, and an irishman with a green hand saves the day. Bravo Lynch. Back to old folks house where you can discuss making movies while your brain is rotting away with ridley scott.

>>87281649
cooper fucked up when he didn't just go back to Janey-E and Sonny Jim.

>>87282262
The cut to black is the dream ending, when you realize its a dream it shuts down and you wake up

>>87282202
??????

>>87279266
Vederfags got btfo so hard, just like coop in the finale, they live in an alternate universe where vedder is expected to play his song in the last episode

>the two birds one stone line was never explained

What a shitty show.

>>87282379
DUDE LETS DITCH 99% OF OUR PLOTLINES IN FAVOUR OF TOTAL SILENCE
BRAVO LYNCH
god what an old stupid hack he is. should have just left us with dougie.

>>87280132
>Amanda Seyfried's tweaker husband?

He anhero because of the guilt he felt from killing Amanda

>>87282379
The stone is Laura. I'll let you figure out the rest.
Hint: It's not a figure of speech.

>>87282450
lol retard

>>87280132
Audreys not fat, stop disrespecting my twinpeaks waifu

>>87282292
That irish dude was great, you're out of your mind if you don't think a character like that is pure Twin Peaks, and regardless that's not the resolution I was referring to. It was solved by Coop going back and keeping Laura from being killed by Leland, leaving the town at peace.

Though of course Laura is taken by Judy and put into this alternate world so Coop tries to save her, giving them an opportunity to continue the story. I don't understand how that is so awful.

>>87282503
>He anhero because of the guilt he felt from killing Amanda
When did he do that?

It's a lot better if you treat Part 17 as the true finale and Part 18 as an extended coda setting up a potential season 4.

>>87282503
Literally what was the point of those characters?

>>87282668
>This is is the kind of people that watches the show
fucking reddit

>>87282668
Episode 15 or 14

>>87282818
Evil wins. America in its current state is evil.
Happy?

Can someone explain to me what happened with Audrey?

>you finally get to see an outraged reaction to a Lynch ending as it happens
This is history, boys

>>87282818
It's either that or Billy Zane to help fill in 18 hours. Imo, Lynch should've just ditched that and filled with whatever he is thinking of progressing the current episode 18 ending.

>>87282011
the dream is that all reality is a dream of the dreamer, that eyeless woman that Andy picked up from a few episodes ago, dont be stupid

>>87282848
>>87282821
It doesn't even fucking happen

Wouldnt Bobby be fucking distraught if that happened?

>>87282907
She's still in a coma

>>87282907
she chased after cooper and fell into the lodge

>>87283050
The only time we see Bobby again after that was when he walked in on Bob and Fist of the Irish fighting.

Did people expect Judy to be destroyed or something? You really think fucking mortals can stop a lodge spirit. lol retards.

>>87283104
And he didn't seem particularly upset as he would be if his daughter was murdered

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I completely understand Lynch now. Fitting for him to be a transcendental meditator, as his work is about the moment and not the big picture. Twin Peaks is his master work, and the finale a fitting ending. I currently feel like I'm aimlessly floating, I feel in a completely surreal state. Working us up about the story and characters was him setting things up so he could pull the rug out from under us, like a more advanced version of Mulholland Drive. I don't even mind that he pulled the rug out from under me though. Initially I did, when the final moment happened... But now I am completely at peace and in marvel at the raw talent of David Lynch. Lynch has mastered the entire movement of surrealism, this is its peak (no pun intended). In 5 decades or so Lynch will be hailed as a master.


TLDR: LYNCHED

>>87282818
Lynch needed filler as he only planned for 8 episodes and suddenly got 10 more

>>87283143
do you expect her to text her dad after she dies?

>>87283134
So Judy was possessing Sarah the whole time? She was even more evil than Leland?

>>87283134
Contained. It's implied it came to earth after the bomb went off.

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Is Judy that black ant looking thing that hawk said Frank doesn't want to ever know about?

Also, I guess log ladies conclusion makes sense now, coop fucked up.

>>87282988
but that was diane all along

Guys it's simple. Cooper altered the course of the timeline but he went and fucked up this version's Laura Palmer too by making her remember his original timeline. So Cooper was actually tricked into DOUBLING the garmonbozia yield of the Laura Palmer experiment that the lodge spirits conspired.

Absolute fucking drivel just like the entire season. Lynch had no direction of what he wanted to do at any point. It was all random nonsense

>>87283222
Do you expect that nobody would find out?

There is nothing that indicates she got murdered

He is upset and shot himself but he didnt say anything about killing Becky and the girl he was with even said whatever happened was her fault

>>87283412
We literally see a bullet holes from their trailer home. Come on man, the guy killed her.

>>87283326
the back ant symbol is the infinity symbol.

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>mfw people are saying the liked the ending
you guys are being ironic right? like you didn't actually like this shit did you?

>>87282591
Why did Judy take Laura, though? Why did Judy care?

>>87281212

Remember that scene where they stopped for gas?

>>87283523
17 was legit good, 18 is more along the lines of "something interesting to think about"

>>87283523
In 20 years you'll be calling it genius.

>>87282304
And does she die? Like what happens when you wake?

>>87283557
Laura is special some how, remember episode 8 of her golden ball?

hahahaha what a pile of shit, at least vedderposters won

>>87282379

It's either in Coop's message to Gordon or a later point in E17 but Cooper says he intends to kill two birds with one stone.

I interpreted it to mean BOB and Booper - two birds, one stone. I think the Richard and Linda thing was a separate reminder.

>>87283523
They cant accept accept the fact they've been eating shit all the time

lynchfags and /tpg/ eternally btfo

Let the Lynching flow through you and arrive beyond it

That Ashley Judd storyline must've been cut because it didn't go anywhere along with the humming in Richards office.

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>mfw I will never get back those 18hrs of my Life

Vedderposting was the saving grace of a shit season. Lynch is literally Out Of Sand.

>>87279025
Bottom Line:
>If it's the series finale
One of the bleakest endings Lynch has ever done, only comparable to Mulholland Dr.
It's unfortunate then that it's attatched to such a mediocre episode, especially after the visual beauty and inspired, bold creativity seen in ep 17.
Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of good to be seen here, the first act following Dale and Diane is still filled with that energy that 17 had, and the sex scene displayed more emotion and character depth than any porn seen in GoT, but the standoff at Judy's, the long car rides with nothing much and NotLaura's part weren't engaging or interesting, they were pretty bad in general.
It only really starts to pick up at the end when Lynch just fucking destroys your soul and manages to make you feel like you lost everything without many sound effects or stylish editing. In a way you feel in complete desperation like the characters are.
And then that effective ending comes that leaves you in complete darkness. Masterclass directing.

>If season 4/movie is happening
10/10 cliffhanger in a shit episode.
GET FUCKING HYPE NIGGERS

I have never seen a fanbase get so thoroughly and completely fucked over time and time again. Lynch fans will never learn. This guy ran out of ideas a long time ago.

http://www.strawpoll.me/13856576
>http://www.strawpoll.me/13856576

>>87283930
Say what you want about his stories but this season has definitely proved that Lynch has a lot of new ideas.

>>87283612
I guess that's what I wanted explanation of. I've really enjoyed this season and I can appreciate leaving things open to interpretation but it feels like too much was left open. Still enjoyed it. But sometimes I wonder if even Lynch knows what the fuck is going on.

>>87283488
What? No we don't. They showed the broken window, but that's because she threw a coffee cup through it earlier

>>87283983
>no middle ground for people that found the finale meh and are excited for a new season

>>87283829
>Richard Horne's storyline ending like that
>the relationship between Shelly's daughter and the drugged out redhead
>the relationship between the drugged out redhead and Donna's cousin
>the reason the redhead killed himself
>the little girl throwing up the car while the fat lady honked after the shooting

Into the trash it all goes.

>>87283829
wasn't the same humming noise heard when cooper unlocked the door with his old hotel room key or was that my imagination

Dale is the dreamer. He asks Laura to sacrifice herself for his dream. Instead she strays from that path and saves herself. Now the dream has butterfly effect'd to a completely different timeline.

>>87284063
But coops old room wasn't even close to his office, was it? It was heard specifically one corner of the office.

>>87282292
>>87282591
>irish dude
are you fuckers brain dead? he's got a cockney accent and says he's from london

>Diane won the Cooperbowl
>Audrey wasn't even seen over the course of two hours
mad

I hope there won't be a season 4 honestly. This ending was fucking perfect

>>87279466
Seriously? The entire original show was him fucking up in different ways after he got away from Philadelphia, where he fucked up and cost the woman he loved her life

>that fucking fight between green hand brit and Bob's ball

Lynch was going for comedy. He hates the his fans and probably hates this show.

>>87284219
That was the only bad part

>>87279025

These two last episodes were twin shits.

>>87284219
>That faded picture of coop in that entire scene

Burnt his image on my old plasma flat screen.

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>>87279025
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

LYNCHED

>>87284144
ben held cooper's key as the hum was heard, and iirc the noise wasn't specifically in a corner but seemingly traveled around the room once they thought they got close to it

>>87284315
that was dope desu

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>resurrecting a beloved TV series

This was just as bad as the X Files reboot

>>87279025
it was objectively fantastic

>>87284051
>the little girl throwing up the car while the fat lady honked after the shooting

Literally the best scene in all of twin peaks

>>87284315
it's your own fault for owning plasma screens in 2017

>interdimensional task force trying to fight a monster called Judy
>never mentioned again
>Judy never shown to have any further effect on the show

lol?

>>87283829

I think it served to show Ben was a good man that had changed his ways, but the scene with her husband was completely pointless. Also Ben asks her out to dinner after his wife is attacked by Richard. Which also has no payoff.

But still, character development for Ben which I enjoyed. The bike speech is wonderful.

>>87284446
There's a reason why we don't talk about judy

DONT FORGET Lucy saved the day and killed Bad Cooper

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>>87284441

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4JELJbz3wA

>>87279025
I feel like my favorite TV show got brought back and had some good moments, but ultimately, it wasn't worth it. The ending to the original series, while still mysterious, had at least some closure. You can piece together season 3's ending, but it still feels incomplete and unsatisfying. I've been a fan of Lynch's work for years and know that nearly all of his films lack closure, but Twin Peaks always felt separate from the rest of his work. This whole thing is bittersweet for me.

>>87279025
SOMEONE POST AN WEBM WITH SHERIFF TRUMAN HAIR GOING UP THAT SHIT WAS HILARIOUS

>>87282812
Word

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>>87279025

>>87284680
there is more closure with this ending but it's even bleaker than the previous one

>>87280311
That's what I thought with the future-or-past bit. Cooper did that until something changed enough he was allowed to leave the Black Lodge again. I don't think he broke any rules, I think MIKE is directing him to rescue Laura after being reincarnated back on Earth. Now he's some kind of dream warrior, peeling back the layers of the dream until Laura is safe.

>>87284368
Hell no, the X-Files reboot was pure garbage. This could have been good if they'd compressed it to eight or even six episodes instead of 18.

Get to the point faster... in the arm wrestling bullshit, it didn't need to go on for however the fuck long it did, or all the "shovel your way out of the shit" bits, and tons of other small bits and scenes that were just, you know, "entertaining" except they weren't.

And the last episode had 20 minutes of driving, what the fuck was that about.

>>87284785
I was okay with the entire arm wrestling scene.

It's stupid shit like Norma discussing the diner brand with that guy for 10 minutes that needs to go

>>87284785
Fuck you I actually enjoyed the buildup to what the fuck he was doing and laughed out loud when he played his infomercial

But then they just literally repeated the scene in a later episode and ugh

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>episode 17
>episode 18

I actually really liked the finale but thought 90% of the rest of the season was filler garbage tbqh. And I interpreted the finale as having an element of Lynch saying that trying to go back and dig up the past by reviving the series might have been a mistake in the first place.

THIS
WHOLE
FUCKING
THREAD
GOT
LYNCHED™

HAHAHAHAHAHA, BEST FINALE IN HISTORY AND YOU CAN'T HANDLE IT!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH

Which ending was worse, this or The Sopranos?

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>>87279025
ITT: fucking mental midgets attempt to decode a work of art into a series of incoherent memes.
what year is this? you guys will never "get it"

>>87284954
Sopranos

>>87284841
I'm okay with the entire show but it can and should be cut. I get it, it's supposed to be dreamlike, so a guy walks into a gang's safehouse and gets to be the boss by beating the old boss in arm-wrestling... dream logic. But we don't need to go back and forth with "it hurt when you put it like this... blah blah blah..." could've made the same point by breaking the other guy's arm and caving in his face, in seconds. Didn't need to draw it out for minutes.

>>87284941
Best finale in history is Six Feet Under's. This is not up for debate.

>>87284954

Sopranos: takes 10 seconds to figure out

Twin Peaks: people will talk about for 30 years

>>87284941
>LYNCHED™

They ha e tshirts now?

>>87284785
I agree. Imagine how good this season could have been if it was 8 episodes like season 1. Instead there was a lot of stuff that Lynch picked up off the editing room floor to pad out the 18 hours. Either Showtime and/or Lynch got greedy.

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>>87284785
>Hell no, the X-Files reboot was pure garbage
>proceeds to explain why the Twin Peaks reboot was also pure garbage

Alright...

Can we agree that season 3 isn't canon?

>>87284974
I thought it was cool just showing how little Bad Coop had to try

I thought the scene was a good length

But yes, other parts of the show definitely needed to be trimmed down

I bet a year from now or so some autist from some forum will have made an 8 episode cut of season 3 and it will be great

>>87284959
>decode
>"get it"
It's supposed to evoke the feeling of a dream. People talking in a weird way with lots of pauses, slow motion, dream logic like being able to take out three guys with guns with your bare hands. Shit like that.

>>87280132
so you want the tabloid reddit twitter version. fuck off and die.

>it wouldve been better if there was less
dumb opinion

>>87285053
Well it literally made itself non canon

>>87285054
>t. babby with adhd

>>87285076
But also true because the season was full of filler.

>>87285076
>>87285100

I dont care how much you love lynch, ten minutes of some guy sweeping a floor is fucking stupid

You could say "it's art" but it's painfully obvious that he was struggling to come up with material to fill the episodes with

He planned for 9 episodes from the start

>>87284785
>tfw you thoroughly enjoyed both
fite me

What if Jowday is collecting every miserable garmonbozia-filled version of us into one timeline/dimension and our collective ability to reveal or reverse it is parallel to a narrow beam of light in a large dark room? It's a thing that trancends space and time, and we're just shaved monkeys in suits who know left and right but not up and down. I THINK I'M HIGH

So is the little girl who ate the bug Sarah Palmer and the bug is Judy?

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>>87285072
Fuck off and die?

>>87285002
There's a difference between "good stuff padded out to three times its length" and "complete lack of substance". X-Files reboot is flat-Earther bullshit. I mean it was always about government conspiracies but for fuck's sake. And that doesn't even go into the writing and the completely phoned-in acting. It was a cash-grab for all involved.

>>87285171
I'm not into beating up retards

>>87285190
Yeah, sure, why not?

>>87285207
the were-man episode was worth it

>>87285190
No

>>87285171
You can enjoy whatever the fuck you want. All I'm saying is more people would enjoy it if it didn't waste their time.

>people got tricked again by lynch to watch his diarrhea

Daily reminder that Lynch ran out of ideas, so much so that he copied/pasted the Frank Booth car scene from Blue Velvet for Judy's Diner.

>>87285145
The art is how that scene has an effect on you, the viewer, and deconstructs audience expectations and the relationship between the artist and the viewer

this is what lynchfags actually believe

>>87281174
I would actually really like to see this

>>87285190
That was just a dream Lynch had that he decided to shove into Twin Peaks because Showtime gave him a budget to make 18 episodes. It was not only better than the rest of the season but also had nothing to do with the rest of the season.

>>87285231
That WAS a great episode which just shows that the monster-of-the-week stuff was always better than the "mythos" stuff.

>>87285285
>tfw normies hated episode 8
>I had more fun watching it than the entire rest of the season

season 3 was mostly garbage

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>>87284680
>dont forget to buy my book if you want to know the REAL ending

Pseudopatricians are so hardly btfo'd so they're doing a hard damage control by pretending to like this bunch of nonsense.

>>87285145
I loved the show and the ending, but still have to agree with this. There were so many points where I was questioning the pacing. There was no value added, no deeper symbolism, in watching Cooper drive down the highway with Laura for near 5 minutes. one scene down a stretch of road would have conveyed this perfectly. I love Lynch's works, but how do you defend the little things like that?

>>87285389
>destinationfags think that a floppy ending retroactively makes the previous enjoyment fake
i bet you dont want movies if you hear a character dies at the end

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>tfw the Audrey stuff including the twist at the end of episode 16 was pointless filler and nobody can prove otherwise

Thanks, Lynch.

>>87285406
hes david lynch you're not either watch it or stfu.

>>87285406

Because the entire thing is about pacing and trying to manipulate your emotions

The issue is Lynch is an old man and doesn't realise people on 4chan have ADD.

>>87285445
Charlie is a point unto himself

>>87285445

How is telling you what happened to a character filler?

She got raped by evil Coop, gave birth to an evil fucker and lost her mind. The end.

>>87285406
>not understanding the tension and paranoia in that scene

>>87285406
Trying to convey the feeling of long, boring road-trips, maybe. Well, they got it, it was long and boring.

>>87285438
Because for S3 most of the previous enjoyment was hanging in limbo, wanting to see how everything wraps up

Instead we discover 75% of the plot threads are forgotten entirely and were useless filler

>>87285275
>>87285480
These arguments are stupid because they can be applied to literally any work ever

You could defend The Room by saying that shit, doesn't make it true

>>87285568

do people even understand what filler means anymore

Do you really think EVERYTHING is going to be important? The show is giving you a snapshot on Twin Peaks. Do you really want to see Red come and help evil Coop battle One Punch Lad?

>>87285480
How the fuck does a five-minute silent driving scene manipulate my emotions? I think you're overestimating how invested I am with these characters. In real life you might have thoughts running through your head while you sit silently in a car with someone. When watching a TV series, not so much.

>>87285603

You were supposed to feel tense and uneasy as they were driving. If you didn't you can say it failed. That doesn't mean it's "filler" because it had intention.

>>87285606
No but I did want to learn more about how he got involved with paranormal abilities such as the coin trick shit

>>87285636

Then it failed. But the intention was clearly to make you question who was following them and feel anxious about what would happen, as well as adding to the dream-like vibe the entire thing had. It was supposed to feel like a half dream.

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Why was Jacques Renault the bartender at the Roadhouse?

>>87285649
Oh fuck off, all filler has intention, doesn't mean it isn't useless boring crap

>Albert and Log Lady wasted their final days to film this shit instead of spending precious time with their families

Lynch was heartless for even letting them do this.

>>87285480
What emotions were being manipulated? Was I supposed to feel frustration for not having definitive answers while he drove to Twin Peaks? I felt nothing, there was no emotion elicited. After 18 episodes, I had acceptance that this was Lynch and that he would tell me the story he wanted to tell at the pace he wished to tell it.

>>87285699
He was some other Renault relative

>>87279025

Without any doubt. It left no emotions to me at all.

>tfw Lynch made it so his fans can explain away all the filler in the three seasons with "it was all a dream"

Checkmate, losers.

>>87285688
The show did have a dream vibe from start to finish, but, uh, it could have been a lot shorter and still have that same vibe.

>>87285702

No, filler means it exists literally to fill time and has no purpose other than that.

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I genuinely look forward to reading peoples crazy theories when they've thought about this for a few months. Don't get me wrong I got pretty Lynched by episode 18 but I think there are nuggets to be found.

>>87285737
>Albert and Log Lady were retconned along with the rest of Twin Peaks

Lynch should be stopped.

Season 2 was a masterpiece compared to this shit season.

>inb4 lynched

>>87285788
>anime beach episodes have the purpose to show the characters good sides and explore character relationship and traits when they are not confronted with conflict

This is what you sound like
No, fuck off, it's filler

Twin Peaks took place in an alternate reality. Coop was transferred to the normal universe during the last episode.

"The" Nine Inch Nails
Eddie Vedder being called something different in the episode he performs.

>>87285788
Mr Definition over here.
You can use the term "filler" to describe scenes with a purpose that are dragged on for too long... to fill time. The word doesn't exclusively describe something with no purpose.

>>87285818
Unfortunately I think most people will give up because most of the side plots were either wrapped up so fucking abruptly or left unanswered leaving not enough material to think about, that nobody is going to fucking bother

>>87285907
NEVER underestimate autism

>>87285855

It isn't a debate. Try expanding your vocabulary. I couldn't care less if you didn't like it, but it's obvious that road trip wasn't "filler"; it was intended to serve a purpose. They didn't have a set amount of time to fill; the episode could have ran 5 minutes shorter inconsequentially.

>>87285788
But it did exist literally to fill time and had no other purpose. You're imposing your purpose on it to justify it. Not every scene had a deeper meaning and questioning such scenes doesn't make us any less fans of his work.

>>87285856
>Coop was transferred to the normal universe during the last episode.
Is that why he beat up three armed men by himself? No, it wasn't the normal universe, it was the same dreamlike world where the other events took place, only a little different.

>>87285907
>all the shit about the rich guy in new york and the glass box
>and how he had covered shit up in the insurance company
>what was he doing?

>guess we'll never know because the assassin lady just shoots him dead

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It just all seemed pointless at the end of the day, which I suspected when the show shifted back to uninteresting vignettes after episode 8. I don't think a single thing would have been lost if the show wasn't rebooted at all. The Dougie stuff was cute for a few episodes, but even that was kind of just silly more than it was memorable. I can't imagine what kind of madman would rewatch this season more than once or twice without skipping half the episodes.

The best.

>>87282379
I thought the two birds, two coopers. One stone, the ring.

So Laura's parent's were possessed by Bob and Judy, Bob got destroyed by britglove, but Judy was still around and able to stop Coop

>>87285702
life itself has filler built in, waiting in line. there are pauses in music. you have a very narrow view of narrative structure.

>>87285943
>It isn't a debate
>I define what the word "filler" means and that's the absolute truth

>>87285961
I'm honestly still not sure why the box produced a murderous spirit at all when Coop was sent back from the Black Lodge.

>>87279025
no way, the finale was the only good part of the second half of s2

>>87286000
Season 3 is waiting in line longer for a show than the show itself lasts

>>87285949

They had no time to fill. They could have ran shorter. Lynch wasn't paid by the minute.

What the HELL just happened?

>>87279025
Nah

>>87286000
Yes, there are PAUSES in music, not 30 measures of rest followed by 1 measure of sound

>>87285961
>what was he doing?
Being an evil prick and stealing money from people would be the obvious answer.
The rich guy is either a government program or literally a rich guy who's into the occult. Doesn't really matter, it's just how we're introduced to these fucked-up happenings.

Yes. What's even more ridiculous is that /tv/ is trying their very hardest to defend it even though not a single person can explain why it's actually good

>>87286052
>They had no time to fill.
They had 18 episodes to fill when they only had planned for 8 or 9.

>>87286052
Well in that case I think Lynch should consider a more aggressive editor. There's no shame in it. A lot of the best writers had amazing editors who cut out all their dumb ideas, like super powered green gloved Brits punching evil black balls into hell.

>>87286101
If you read the thread there's like one guy defending it, a lot of people saying "I liked it but it was stretched out too much", and the rest saying "I didn't like it"

I really liked the ending because a lot of shit happens and gives you a lot to think about.

I did not like most of S3 because nothing fucking happens and there's not much to think about.

>>87286084
you've heard of john cage?

Holy shit what we're experiencing right now is like when Fire Walk with Me dropped in the nineties. but IN REAL TIME. Fuck.

>>87286140
>super powered green gloved Brits punching evil black balls into hell
ART!

>>87285510
>both Audrey and the Arm ask "is it the story of the little girl who lived down the lane?" or something to that effect
There's definitely more to that shit

>>87286140
>A lot of the best writers had amazing editors who cut out all their dumb ideas, like super powered green gloved Brits punching evil black balls into hell.
I liked it because at least there's some entertainment in the absurdity and surrealness of it all

It's a hell of a lot better than 10 minutes of a guy sweeping the floor or Norma talking about organic ingredients and the profits of her diner brand for 20 minutes

>>87286185
these folks thought they were ready

>>87282818
I think it was intentional blue-balling. All this heavy shit happens and the final moments in Twin Peaks are the goofiest parts of the cast standing in a photo spread in even lighting as Overlay-Cooper says WE ARE LIVING IN A DREAM. It's to hammer in how Twin Peaks isn't real, that Cooper's real work has only just started. The question is if 18 was the finale, that Laura is the dreamer and wakes up, or if it was an opening for a new season where Cooper is part dream warrior and part Samurai Jack, trying to get Laura back to Twin Peaks.

>>87286176
Yes, and everything else he did is way more fucking interesting than 4'33''

>>87286197
oh so now the sweeping scene is 10 minutes? what next? 15 minutes? an entire episode? the season?

>>87286257
>the season?
Yeah pretty much

>>87286249
>Laura is the one
Laura is the dreamer

I'll accept pretty much all criticism of ep18, but if you thought the driving sequence was anything but edge-of-your-seat intense, start to finish, you're a pleb, plain and simple.

Hold'on, did Twin Peaks ended with twisted opened for interpretation scene, not explaining previously plot points, dividing the fan base but undoubtedly leaving everyone unsatisfied? What year is this? Is this future or the past?

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Now that the dust has settled, can we all agree that episodes 6 and 7 as well as 9 to about 14 all could have been cut?

>>87280237
>who's audrey

have you ever watched twin peaks

Imagine if 4chan existed 25 years ago. What would the reactions to the original ending be? My bet is - absolutely the same.

erm, yeah, expectations were high and lynch delivered nothing

>>87286421
Yes, and they'd be correct in saying the vast majority of season 2 was filler garbage that will be looked down upon in 25 years as the low point of the show that everybody tells you to skip on rewatches. Really makes me think.

>>87286408
Considering how her sideplot got dropped entirely, it may as well not matter who she was

>>87286421
Back then at least there was some hope of the show coming back. With Lynch in his 70s and the show being a financial nightmare for Showtime, we know almost for certain that's all we'll ever see of Twin Peaks. Mark Frost's shitty books don't count.

>>87286421
Exactly right. People were expecting something like that finale today, but forgot how batshit that was, for the time. Lynch did something equivalent for today's audience, maybe even greater.

>>87286385
this. anyone not expecting something along these lines is a damn fool.

Why is everyone so upset? Coop got back, the evil spirit was defeated and Laura was brought back from the body-bag. Everything was resolved! :^)

>>87286389
there are absolutely no episodes that could be entirely removed

>>87285333
>David, please change the ending to a dream, everyone's roasting me on Twitter over my continuity errors and I need you to prove them wrong!

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>season didn't end with a 2 hour Candie sex scene
>Candie was probably just part of Laura's dream

Season 4 never

>>87280421
I actually really like this explanation.

>>87286546
But there are definitely epsiodes worth of scenes that can be removed from all the episodes

>>87279466
if you thought that was "the bleakest way imaginable," you don't have much imagination

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>>87279025
>>87279302
>>87281877
>>87282450
>>87283523

>Sopranos ends with a cut to black and no concrete explanation of what follows

Genius! Best ending in TV history! The ambiguity is so compelling!

>Twin Peaks: The Return ends with a cut to black and no concrete explanation of what follows

LYNCH IS A HACK! IT WAS ALL A DREAM, LMAO!

>mfw

>>87286544
only lynch can make a happy ending so dark

>>87280443
I'm 23 and honestly don't want to be alive in 25 years. Life gets worse every year for me.

>>87286711
>Genius! Best ending in TV history! The ambiguity is so compelling!
Who says that?
Pretty much everybody gave the ending a ton of shit for that

>>87286711
I think normies just liked hearing Journey, actually.

>>87285737
Log Lady was part of his cult so there was probably a good deal of loyalty between them. For Miguel, Albert Rosenfield was his biggest role so there was probably some closure for him there.

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>what in tarnation is david lynch doing? all his movies make so much darn sense, and this , this is not right!

>>87285856
I think that was just going for a Tim and Eric vibe. The Nine Inch Nails is a foreseeable error and Edward Louis Severson III is Eddie Vedder's birth name.

Twin Peaks: The Return: Beyond Eraserhead

>people actually expected closure from David Lynch

>>87285994
Jumping Man isn't Judy

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>>87286820
apparently, that was the average /tpg/ poster all along

>>87286859
>>87286832
People are fine with the surrealness of the show

Most complaints about s3 were the amount of menial filler just like s2 had

>>87286832
I would have enjoyed it if it really was more Eraserhead and less Soap Opera

>>87286421
I think we would have just assumed there would have been a season 3 coming soon to answer it.

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>>87282668
This is exactly why I don't visit this board anymore. It's like you guys can't even pay attention to what you are watching.

What was up with the coop/diane sex scene? Why did cooper wake up in a different motel and with a different car the next day?

>>87286927
If we still had moot-era moderation, the best thing that could happen right now is word-filtering "filler" for "stuff I didn't understand"

>>87286979
Nothing indicates he killed her though. It all happened offscreen.

I think what happened is they did some drugs and she OD'd or some shit

Probably maybe that same stuff Red gave Richard

>>87286999
Dude didn't you have the subtitles on?

>>87286999
that was actually judy impersonating diane (notice the red curtain hair) and making sure cooper's dream is perverted

>>87286721
you wont' be, neither lynch

>>87287006
It's not stuff I don't understand, it's stuff that has no consequence to anything else in the show

>>87286161
Season 3 had horrible pacing, the way it presented information and tried to resolve story lines was just awful.
There was a ton of content and there's plenty to think about but the presentation was just off. I normally like surreal works but with a show like this I expect there to be more things grounded, where the fuck was Mark Frost in all of this?

>>87286999
It was Lynch recycling old shit because he ran out of ideas. He basically took parts of Lost Highway and Mulholland Drive for Episode 18.

>>87285445
I think it's pretty clear that she wound up in the same place Cooper wound up, the dream world.

>>87287051
>still being this much of a destinationfag

>>87287056
>I normally like surreal works but with a show like this I expect there to be more things grounded
I thought the opposite, I think it was too grounded in everyday happenings shit and not enough weird Eraserhead stuff like Cooper entering the blind lady realm and Episode 8 and Jeffries being a big steaming kettle and the ending really

>>87279025
17 was great. 18 was extremely unsatisfying. and neither one addressed wtf happened to audrey horne

>>87280421
it was all a dream... woah..

>Sarah Palmer tries and fails to rip/damage/destroy the image of Laura with a broken glass bottle

>is unable to harm even an image of Laura

>"moves" her (from the arms of Coop in 1989) because displacement is the last power she has over that paragon of goodness.

>Leland asks Cooper to find Laura

>Mother/Judy/Sarah Palmer is the dreamer, Cooper enters the dream to rescue the abducted Laura.

>The Chalfonts/Tremonds inherent Otherness makes her realize the situation, hears the scream of BOB and she awakes from the domain of Judy, symbolized by the lights going off.

The one thing I can't square away is what they were producing in the sex scene, and if Cooper was hinting at something by asking what year it was.

>>87280048
This. You all got Lynched, hard.

>>87287077
It's not that the destination sucked, it's that even the journey itself was boring most of the time

Pretty much nothing interesting at all happens between episodes 9 to 14 or so

>>87287184
Episode 11 was pure kino you pleb.

>>87280630
>do nothing interesting with it

You're a dumb motherfucker, you know that?

>>87287268
Okay, do nothing interesting with half of it.

>>87286999
The point is that they are in a dream you knucklehead. Haven't you ever had a dream where you go to sleep in one place and wake up in another. For fuck's sake isn't it obvious the whole final sequence was a dream? Hell I would say the dream sequence pretty much begins when you see Cooper's face superimposed on the scene.

>>87287102
This
Episode 8 was great
probably because it had little to do with the rest of the steaming pile that is S3

so, what year was it?

>>87282148
Same.
That was majestic.

>>87287330
Lynch's "it was all a dream" bullshit is getting tired

>>87282294
No, he gave them the kindness of a simple, uncomplicated Dougie.

so... who was the dreamer?

Hope Cooper and not-Laura have fun in Judy's world (every world is Judy's world)

>>87287437
Audrey

>>87287437
Let's just say it's Judy. It doesn't matter. None of this matters.

>>87287437
Cooper

>>87287437
Mark Frost

>>87287437
Laura ?

>>87287437
that asian chick

>>87287437
The audience :^)

>>87287437
David Lynch

>>87282988
the dreamer was laura you idiot

>>87287437
Richard aka Dale

You guys wanted David Lynch, you got David Lynch.

Remember that originally David Lynch was going to stay out of directing this until Showtime gave him extra cash or whatever for his involvement.

All the padding and filler blame goes on Showtime's shoulders for not ordering just 8 to 13 max episodes. And I liked and loved a lot of season 3 but, to those of you who didn't like or even hated maybe you should also be mad at Showtime for getting David Lynch involved as director? Like you probably would have gotten what you wanted if Frost and Lynch had just been writing.

Mmy guess is Lynch writing would have = Frost has more control over the story. Lynch directing = Lynch has more control over the story. We are along ways away from Blue Velvet, 90's Twin Peaks Lynch. This is post-Inland Empire Lynch.. we pretty much got what we should have expected from a fucking 18 episode Twin Peaks revival with every single episode directed by David Lynch in the year 2017.

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>>87283326
It was the same symbol on Deputy Hawk's map. Gordon Cole called her Jowday. I think Judy is the same creature as The Experiment, and she is possessing Sarah Palmer. Who was really upset after Agent Cooper prevented Laura Palmer's death. I think when Sarah/Judy was pounding Laura's photograph, she set in motion a trap for Laura's spirit. Cooper and Diane, with the assistance of Mike and Philip Jeffiries. then resolved themselves to help Laura even though they knew the consequences were potentially grave.

I think Laura confronting Judy will act as a catalyst for sending Judy back where she belongs and sealing the rift caused the the Trinity nuclear explosion. I think this was the Fireman's intention for creating Laura's spirit.

The dreamer is the collective consciousness. Truth is David Lynch was trying to redpill you guys about idealism. Basically all of reality is mental in nature and not physical. Read up on it.

>>87282148
It's the only thing Sheryl Lee knows how to do well

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>>87287758

>>87287758
thats all well and good, but twin peaks (until now at least) works both literally and figuratively

>>87287437
Showtime's President who dreamed of greenlighting a 3rd Season of Twin Peaks and not (((((whatever this was))))).

>>87287758
That would be called greenpilling or blackpilling, friend

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Bob's blob form reminds me of The Arm's blob.

>>87279649
reddit's praising the show right now

I like the two hour finale. America is a lost highway. Full on NPCs who get a spark for a month or a year or decades, via a Jungian dimension, but not even the FBI can penetrate it.

It's less "it was a dream" copout, than the expanse of America at night swallowing sanity like a white whale. It's the high school yearbook being dragged out of the abyss, injected with life, only to dry out in the eyes of closet-slut Prom Queens turned Odessa waitresses and echoes of the county jail. Twin Peaks but the mountains are forever in shadow, duality only exists for man. Good and evil as a mist, never concluded, never remembered, never history.

Bravo Lynch. Keep it Frosty.

seems like they were trying to recreate the horror of the season 2 cliffhanger but decided to pad it out with clips and 20 minutes of silent driving

fuck man i feel like lynch just shot me in the fucking chest
episode 17 was so fucking good and then 18 just shit the bed entirely

>>87282202
>If you don't get it then nothing will

>>87288188
>this is the kind of ridiculous faggot who loves The Return

>>87288347
It was satire idiot

>>87286140
honestly dude...u sound so lynched rn

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>>87282450
LOOOOOL LYNCHED HAHA

Fucking pseudo intellectuals think this ending is a masterpiece.

>>87286870
no one said he was

>>87289266
t. (((Jude)))

>>87288246
This is the first time /tv/ is in agreement with Deadline.com

>At the beginning of Episode 17 tonight, Lynch’s Gordon informs Albert about the evil spirit Jude who’s been making all these FBI agents like Cooper disappear. But it was as though Lynch was talking to us all along about season 3: “This plan, Albert, I couldn’t tell you about and I’m sorry…I don’t know if this plan is unfolding properly.” Thanks for the late heads up.

Ouch.
http://deadline.com/2017/09/twin-peaks-the-return-season-finale-spoilers-showtime-david-lynch-dale-cooper-1202160498/

>>87287138
the chalfonts/tremonds didn't make laura realize she was in a dream. they made cooper realize. then he asked her what year it was so that she would realize

also that sarah calling for laura at the end

>>87287138
>>87289845
also i think laura's the dreamer, but she created judy so that she wouldn't have autonomy over her own dreams

>>87289580
fucking kill yourself