THE SENATE WILL NOW HEAR THE SEVENTH POSTER IN THIS THREAD

>>87253685

I veto the motion.

My pasta is going to be posted soon. It had better not be the shitty altered version.

Did the senate have any power at all under the Emperors?

>Rome posting becomes a thing as soon as I start watching this show

interesting

>>87253813
this started just as I finished the show, funny coincidence

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>>87253685
TRVE ROMAN THREAD FOR TRVE ROMANS

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Senate, when will I get a gf? :(

Op is a fag

gimme all the slave bois

Traps aren't gay.

>>87253685
JUNO'S CUNT

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CAC
A
C

Tfw we will never get history kino this kino again

>>87253795
The word emperor can be exchanged with king. The senators were more of advisors during the empire than their original purpose of upholding the republic.

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>>87253940
ask Octavian, he'll figure something out

>>87253940
No, as proven by these numerical omens

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It's over Caesar, i have the high ground!

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>>87254131
>mfw I bribed this guy in Rome Total War to fuck off and join my faction and he did

I only used him to fight the Gauls too, now he's just a lazy Governor.

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>>87254169
so, you jewed your way out of one of the greatest military feats ever achieved?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU1Ej9Yqt68

>>87253795
Yes. They still had exclusive rights to governorships of certain wealthy provinces such as Asia, Africa etc.

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Why Caesar had his face painted like a japanese flag? I thought he was roman...

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>>87253685
When I was a newfag, I defended our board. As an oldfag, I shall not abandon it. I give sincere thanks to OP, who has presented me with the most promising meme imaginable. I address you directly, OP. Please listen as if you were normal and intelligent, and not an autistic, porn-addled wreck/ You are certainly not without accomplishments. It is a rare man who can boast of becoming a NEET before even coming of age. You have brought upon us Reddit, 9GAG, and cancer. You are /tv/'s Daenerys Targaryen. But then a hamplanet's role has always suited you best.

>>87254592
He's being racially insensitive to Native Americans.

>>87253685

A Tribune Of The PLEBS

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*kills crassus*

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>>87254806
>*teleports behind you*
>*deposes your dynasty*

>>87253813
Rome threads have always been here. You just didn't notice them because there are only like ten of us autists who post the same memes for years and years.

>>87255267
>The other practices of the Jews are sinister and revolting, and have entrenched themselves by their very wickedness. Wretches of the most abandoned kind who had no use for the religion of their fathers took to contributing dues and free-will offerings to swell the Jewish exchequer; and other reasons for their increasing wealth way be found in their stubborn loyalty and ready benevolence towards brother Jews. But the rest of the world they confront with the hatred reserved for enemies. They will not feed or intermarry with gentiles. Though a most lascivious people, the Jews avoid sexual intercourse with women of alien race. Among themselves nothing is barred. They have introduced the practice of circumcision to show that they are different from others. Proselytes to Jewry adopt the same practices, and the very first lesson they learn is to despise the gods, shed all feelings of patriotism, and consider parents, children and brothers as readily expendable. However, the Jews see to it that their numbers increase. It is a deadly sin to kill an unwanted child,note and they think that eternal life is granted to those who die in battle or execution

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THE WIFE OF LUCIUS VORENUS IS A WHORE

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still makes me mad that the show got cancelled and the pacing of season 2 was all over the shop

>>87257372
I'm still mad about how bad this game is

why didn't they just remake the original with better graphics and AI, I do not know, they had the perfect game and they threw it away

>>87257564
That's Attila, shitlord. The remake of fucking Barbarian Invasion.
>tfw no late roman empire kino

>>87257564
its attila and not rome 2 if that helps senpai

>>87257734
>>87257738
my mistake
haven't played atilla? is it good?

main reason i disliked barbarian invasion is it didn't really have the same troop diversity as rome
same for alexander

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>>87258026
I'd say that unit diversity in Attila is pretty good, Germanic factions aside
There is some pretty bad power creep with the White Huns and Empires of Sand, however.

>>87258026
its the best historical total war to date thats for sure

>>87258174
>>87258192
cool
I shall give it a go

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Who was Best Girl, and why was it Octavia?

>>87258794
>purefu
>sucks slave cock at orgies

>>87254632
Obligatory

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>>87258794
Nah.

>tfw i just started bingewatching Rome for the first time yesterday
>already almost done with it
>/tv/ has randomly been all about Rome for some reason the past couple of days

Its like Im watching it live as it airs. Thank you my fellow /tv/irgins

>>87258794
>first husband/bf is killed by your mother for political reasons
>paraded around in front of Pompey, only for him to choose some old shrew and intentionally slight you
>become a lesbian lover of your mother's most hated adversary
>the lesbian trick you in to seducing your brother
>fall for brother's friend
>marry Marc Anthony in a sham wedding

I always felt so bad for Octavia. Agrippa was a spineless coward.

>>87259426
I was so constantly aware the adult Octavian was a fag, worst casting in the show.

>>87257186
Don't talk shit about Niobe like that! No bully.

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>>87261272
my father's COCK

>>87261710
Gaius Julius Caesar was too good for this world...

>>87258794
historically, none of the slutty behavior she and Atia do in the show actually happened. Why do ((they)) insist even now, thousands of years later, to portray Romans as degenerate? Do ((they)) ever forget a grudge?

>>87261710
how did the simpsons get away with this one

>>87261977
do you think scribes would have the stones to immortalize nobility slutting around like plebs?

>>87253940
You wtll come upon a great awakining as you walk the vision quest of masculinity. Ask out 100 girls by the end of the year. If no dates occur.. kill thy self.

>>87262396
>believing ((HBO)) and not believing their actual contemporaries

Of course they would, if anything the gossip was more spicy back then. Even with all the enemies their House had, theres literally no historical record or propaganda saying anything about them being sluts, and Marc Antony and Octavian slandered each other to the extreme

I AM the senate!

>>87254592
He's showing his support for Chief Wahoo

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Reminder that he could have told Vorreinus the truth about his children but chose to torment the cuck over the chance to get away

>>87263248
Lucius made the right call killing him, look what letting Memio live earned Pullo.

>>87259426
The fuck? When was this scene?

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>>87254513
>Asia
>Africa
>Wealthy

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Dr. Windu, I'm Senate

>>87253795
>Did the senate have any power at all under the Emperors?

Yes actually, the imperial senate under Nero had him arrested.

>>87254333
Alesia was pure fucking insanity

>>87263248
I thought he did it to avoid torture.

>>87261710
you can see how the writers took inspiration from raimi

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>>87253795
Depends on the time period. Tiberius was exasperated by the Senate's cowardice and unwillingness to take any responsibility or power.

On the other hand at other times like with the Antonine dynasty they served as a cooperative advisory council, and later in the 3rd century acted with much more overt power as they appointed dozens of Emperors, many of whom came from among their own ranks. Of course most of these had short and bloody reigns, and the end of the 3rd century crisis resulted in the triumph of the equestrian military order with Diocletian and his successors, which pretty much put a final end to the power of the senate.

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>>87263431
>I don't know anything about Roman history: the post

The provinces of Africa and Asia were two of the richest, most urbanised and culturally dominant parts of the Roman Empire. The loss of Africa was the biggest reason the Roman Empire fell in the west.

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>>87253685
>>87254592
>wh*te barbarians playing roman manlets
>>87261710
HE IS A FUCKING GAUL LMAO

>>87263750
I thought you just shitposted on /his/ and /pol/, Turk. Please leave.

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>>87263659

>>87261065
No he wasn't. He had male and female lovers, like nearly every Roman of the time.

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>>87261710
He warned us about the G*rms

>>87263659
"Africa" means Egypt. No one gave a fuck about the North African coast, not since Carthago delenda est'd.

>>87263943
In real life retard, the actor is a fag. I could tell just by how he acted.

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>there will never be a good Ancient Rome video game

>>87264084
The first Rome Total War was solid.

>>87263659

The Loss of egypt meant loss of food and gold. Which caused problems in other parts of Roman empire.

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>>87264084
>he never played Colosseum: Road to Freedom

>>87264030
yeah now put up the chart where it shows the german achievements for humanity, like the car and the pc

>>87263939
Where would you lads live?

>>87264203
>car
laughinghenryford.jpg

>pc
laughingwozniak.jpg

>>87264224

I would have traveled west to iberia. Fuck living near turkroaches.

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>"The Gauls...the Parthians...the Germanics...It's our responsibility to civilize them. And if we can't? Then they shall be nailed to the elm crucifix. The Day of the Cross is near, Brutus. We'll have every Judean in this Republic dead or in chains in the next 10 years, and may Jupiter Optimus Maximus have me stabbed to death by 60 senators this very morning if I'm wrong. May the Gods bless the Senate and People of Rome."

What did he mean by this?

>>87264224
Pontus is pretty based. You get all the comforts of Rome with all the decadence of the Greek east.

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>>87264084
>Hasn't played Shadow of Rome

>>87264304
DLETE THI

>>87264264
I would've lived in southern Gaul, comfy villa with a vineyard and lots of PLIANT VIRGIN slaves. :^)

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>>87264039
>Africa means Egypt

Wrong. See pic related. Africa was a senatorial province. Egypt was a unique province because it was controlled by an equestrian appointed by the emperor. Every other province was controlled by a person of senatorial rank either appointed by the emperor or by the senate directly in the case of Africa, Asia and a few others.

>No one gave a fuck about the North African coast

Also wrong. It was one of the most important provinces in the empire for its exorbitant wealth which was important for tax collection and its massive grain supply, which alongside Egypt allowed the city of Rome to become the biggest city in the world by a factor of 10.

>not since Carthago delenda est'd.

Carthage was just one city. The Romans refouned it, and it became one of the most important and largest cities in the empire and one of the main centres for early Christianity.

>>87264264
>turkroaches
>antiquity

Are you retarded? The Turks turned up a thousand years later.

>>87264224
Ephesus.

>>87264383
>salted the earth, destroyed the port
>refounded
Yeah, okay, you're an idiot. Stay away from /his/.

>>87264383

You're acting as if turkmen like people haven't always lived in old persian empire. They might not have went by name turks but there is very little difference between them and sattaraps and all other little brownies waiting to cut our throats. besides assyrians/hittites, being a lighter shade of brown my friend, these groups have been more or less kicking around in the area for a long time under different names.

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>>87264522
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Carthage

>After the destruction of Punic Carthage in 146 BC, a new city of Carthage (Latin Carthāgō) was built on the same land. By the 3rd century, Carthage developed into one of the largest cities of the Roman Empire, with a population of several hundred thousand. It was the center of the Roman province of Africa, which was a major "breadbasket" of the empire

Your surface level knowledge of Roman history is laughable. Don't cite /his/. Idiots like you are why the board is so shitty.

>>87264589
>these groups have been more or less kicking around in the area for a long time under different names.

Turkic peoples lived 2,000 miles from what is now Turkey in Antiquity.

>You're acting as if turkmen like people haven't always lived in old persian empire

There were barbarian tribes and stuff, sure. The Isaurians are a good example of the kind of group you're talking about. They were the exception though, not the rule. Anatolia was wealthy as fuck. Spain was a backwards shitheap by comparison away from Baetica on the southern coast.

>>87264744

True but if I had to choose a place for my bloodline to grow, it would be in a place that went early empire and did fairly well for itself, and survived Muslim influence. And it survived fascism/communism. I'm swiss in origin but I think living in a place that has nice beaches would be a nice boon.

Wealth wasn't really the factor on my mind. I had family was considered nobility or married into it at one point but that shit is pretty ephemeral by time you get to modern age so, what is wealth worth to the dying man.

Why did HBO feel the need to make Atia a slut and create that incest scene between Octavian and his sister despite the historical record suggesting nothing of the sort? Is that just a HBO trademark at this point?

>>87265130
Because the Jews fear the Romans. Unironically

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>Three legions, six cohorts, three units of elite cavalry
>Btfo by some barbarians with sticks and rocks

How will Rome ever recover?

>>87264084
Ever heard of Rome: Total War, you dumb fucktard?

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>>87265246
QUINTILI VARE LEGIONES REDDE!

REEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>87265246
w-we didn't want those useless, gloomy forests anyway, baka

>>87265246

>Led into an ambush by a turncoat general
>act as if that is a stain upon them.

In the end they still lost the war.

There is something that has always puzzled me. How come Greece and Italy was supposedly so great in ancient times, but have been so useless and pointless for like 1500 years? I cant imagine, for example, UK ever being so pointless/useless or even USA centuries from now. I understand alot of future civilization was borrowed from Rome, but I mean the actual country and city that was their capital.

>>87254592
To honor Jupiter.

>>87265424
> I cant imagine, for example, UK ever being so pointless/useless or even USA centuries from now.

You don't have a lot of imagination, then. Also, how has Italy been useless for the last 1500 years? Ever heard of the Renaissance?

>>87265561
what the fuck is that? A pasta?

>>87263366
memio killed that bitch who killed pullos wife and best girl.

>>87265424
>How come Greece and Italy was supposedly so great in ancient times, but have been so useless and pointless for like 1500 years?

It was political centralisation. It just happened to occur in those places first. Rome basically just trashed a shit load of bumfuck tribes and the occasional feudal style kingdom.

>>87265607
>political centralisation
>Ancient Greece

What's some essential Roman Empire Kino? I've already seen Gladiator and both seasons of Rome.

>>87265667
Spartacus. Its nice for once to see Rome from the slaves POV

>>87265424

People are only as powerful as circumstance allows. Our growth in the USA only came because everyone else save ruskies got flattened. The people that didn't or were rebuilding during the war grew to influence after the war.

So greece's influence after a certain point was gobbled up by Romans which largely led to Byzantium and Roman Empire's various cultural feats.

Once those fell, you largely had Turks killing Greeks and trying to subjugate them and then you had Hapsburg influence out of Vienna fucking over everyone post middle ages/early enlightenment.

It's not that power stopped happening, it's that the game changed and power changed. So it went from power of kingdom or empire largely into alliances and world wars. Think of it like energy and it changing form instead of destroying it completely.

Those influences checked by trade being cut off by Ottoman's led to Age of Exploration, and conquest. Those places largely gaining influence because of time/distance and old world powers fighting it out and destroying their own strength.

and to be honest, American imperialism was more about removing other people's imperialism. We wanted old empires to give up their empires. And then corporations who now have power post-industrial age, don't seek territorial borders changing but people inside it to make their wealth grow.

Influence and power are still happening but it also changed at least twice. You see where i'm going? Economics of war and how to achieve it changed. That is where the power and influence went.

>>87265652
Athens and Sparta dominated their neighbours precisely because they centralised the regions around them. Attica for Athens, and Lacedaemonia for Sparta.

>>87265366
t. Augustus

>>87258794
So hot

Lesbian plot
Fucked her brother
Another lesbian orgy

>>87265607
It starts with "Chris" and ends with "tianity".

>>87265561
>You don't have a lot of imagination

Anglos are eternal, anon. Theyre literally immortal

>>87265667
cleopatra with elizabeth taylor.
I know caesars lik a legit god to the romans and pergamom , but i have no idea why there hasn't been a solid byzantine empire flick, or a good legion movie without channing tatum.

>>87264084
Ever heard of this game called Assassin's Creed 2?

>>87261013
pompey fucked her too.

>>87265703
This. It aggravates me how the slaves were treated as literal objects. Its more annoying than seeing actual violence against slaves. There was that one character that was Atia's slave, I dk how he could live with himself, grovelling at her feet and spending literally decades her object. I would unironically kill myself and not be someone elses object

>>87265811
The majority of Rome's existance was spent on being Christian

>>87265919
I would hardly say this is true across the board, it was apparently obvious Caesar was quite fond of Posca, and look at the bond between Cicero and his slave when Pullo goes to kill him.

>>87264199
Is this the prequel to Sopranos Road to Respect?

>>87265919

you're just unused to rigors of a strict cast system. Ask indians how they handle it even though it was 'abolished'

>>87265919
>not wanting to be Attias slave

Do you know where you are?

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>walking alone
>see this

free waifu and moneys, what do?

>>87266003
is the story in that game good

>>87253685
>be octavian
>mother is fucking a filthy jew
>she literally causes the collapse of society near single handedly
>congratulates you for fucking your uncle
>beats you for fucking your sister
>beaten by drunken whoremonger who keeps your money
>beaten by drunken whore monger
>purges the world of degenerates with best bro

>>87265998

I would argue The Emperor converting in the 400s ultimately led to downfall of the empire. They existed for a long period but in continual decline. I include byzantium part of the story as well in that. Even the local govenors helped kill off christians in the east. How else did muslims push them out of anatolia.

Rome converting to christianity killed them.

>>87266060
Atia's a snake who's fangs aren't near as long as she thinks and who's ambitions far outstrip her own cunning.
that's a dangerous sort of person to be loyal to

to bad the series ended before Livia could put her in her place

>>87266085

>Get a banging 'liter with decent bearer's'(car of the day) Make it rain money in the streets with some sweet duds to match.

>>87265919
you're talking about the bald guy...he was a fag who probably recieved ass thrusts, and eventually he gave them. honestly if master slave erected in your bum, you'd probably be a compliant slave , especially after seeing a market with fresh gallic slaves

>>87265424
They were BTFO by the Based Germanic tribes and literally never recovered

>>87265919
The greek slaves were actually treated about as close to people as you got and they wielded a good amount of power, its a sex slave that you didn't want to be. Most of the time.

>>87266108
>I would argue The Emperor converting in the 400s ultimately led to downfall of the empire.

The emperor Constantine converted in the 4th century AD, not the 400s. The Empire was in a much better place in 350 AD when it was Christian than in 250 AD when it was pagan. Religion had nothing to do with it.

Edward Gibbon, who had the same idea that you have that "Christianity is degenerate and it made Rome turn effeminate", was proven wrong like 200 years ago.

>I include byzantium part of the story as well in that

Byzantium managed to bounce back multiple times. It went from being Constantinople and a few cities on the Greek coasts in the early 7th century to controlling from Italy to Antioch in the 11th century.

>How else did muslims push them out of anatolia.

Civil wars. Civil wars is what killed the Roman Empire all the way from the 3rd century down to the 15th. While barbarian tribes were crossing the Rhine to fuck the empire's shit up the emperor was fighting a usurper in Gaul.

>Rome converting to christianity killed them.

Actually it would be easy to argue that Christianity was a unifying force.

>>87266215
>They were BTFO by the Based Germanic tribes and literally never recovered

The Germanic barbarians literally won only one battle against the Romans in their final years. The Romans destroyed their own army in a bunch of civil wars between 408-430 AD.

>>87266108
The problem isn't Christianity but the fact that everyone else was getting their shit together. Pagan Byzantium wouldn't have fared any differently from Christian Byzantium other than the fact that Iconoclasm wouldn't exist and Russia wouldn't be Orthodox today.
>How else did muslims push them out of anatolia.
Are you reffering to Manzikert? The Byzantine side in the battle was a chaotic clusterfuck which was why the Seljuks got the upper hand.

>>87265999
Based Cicero treating his subordinates kindly. I dont I have ever like a character so much after initially finding him annoying. He literally did nothing wrong. Also,that "A Woman's role has always suited you best" echoes through eternity as the most Based insult on a TV show ever. Its so visceral and so accurate on-point that it drove Mark Antony insane.

>>87266242
nah Greek slaves were notoriously treated worse than Roman slaves, especially after the servile wars

and there was always something worse than sex slave: mine slave

>>87266382
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkZx0q_3rYI&list=PLODnBH8kenOqFFHuSKVN5u2bHDpzFBX1R

This should make you respect him even more.

>>87266150
Yeah, but shes the definition of a MILF. I would be DIAMOND 24/7 if I spent my life being whipped by her and kissing her feet and hearing her get fucked by other men

>>87265424
>what is the renaissance

>>87266382
all of that was in character historically speaking
heck during his actual assassination his slaves flat out refused to sell him out and it was a freedman formerly belonging to his brother who told the assassins where he was

>>87266456
It's interesting that Augustus always regretted having to kill Cicero and personally ensured his family remained prominent in roman politics

>>87266382
>"A Woman's role has always suited you best" echoes through eternity as the most Based insult on a TV show ever.

You can literally see that exact moment was where Mark has his psychotic breakdown and never recovered

>>87266456
his attempt at being humorous is awful

>>87266702
>Clodius subsequently attacked the workmen who were rebuilding Cicero's house at public cost, assaulted Cicero himself in the street and set fire to the house of Cicero's younger brother, Quintus Tullius Cicero

Roman politics were the best, if they were this cut-throat now they'd be beter.

>>87266878
ah good ol' Clodius, if there ever was someone who deserved getting shanked in the streets, it was him

>>87264224
Kys.

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>tfw optimus princeps

Was there a more based emperor than Trajan?

>>87266349

Explain away the Schism and internal politics if Christianity was ultimately a unifying force. Which you could also use Albigensian crusade/internal politics to show that it was mostly cover for what they wanted to do anyway. How can you say it's unifying when it led to conflicts that largely helped weaken their influence in the world. Venetians sacking Constantinople. I can think of at least three other examples sprinkled throughout where christianity wasn't a unifying force. The entire history of the UK post norman conquests. 'Unifying force' my ass.

You're also not mentioning the many plagues that happened between 7th to 11th centuries which helped that greatly and had little to do with military prowess or strength. Half of the continent died.

Also subscribing to christianity led to them fighting amongst themselves more than they probably would have so you can turn unifying force argument on it's head. Teutons versus Pols. Happened as religious cover for their greedy actions.

Inside and outside, their influence worsened problems in name of politically motivated greed in face of hypocrisy and was a negative detriment to european culture as a whole. We know that better than anyone. The italian renaissance you mentioned above happened in spite of Christianity, not because of it.

Having many local cultures being subsumed into one larger set of monolithic beliefs that divested many cultural subsets of existence also led to a weakening and centralization of future nation states to their detriment that almost allowed muslims to take over spain and ottomans coming up through austria.

European wars of religion happened because of christianity and schism, inter-confessional fighting and weakening of previous roma sub-states. France's protestant vs catholic war? You can trace all of their problems back to Rome's conversion. Which then went on to infect all member states in their influence.

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>>87254023
No, it absolutely cannot, you fucking retard. The Roman Kingdom and Roman Empire are distinct periods of Roman history, and the distinction between emperor and king is one of the defining features of the thousand years after the collapse of western Rome.

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>>87267412
>You're also not mentioning the many plagues that happened between 7th to 11th centuries which helped that greatly and had little to do with military prowess or strength.
>doesn't even list said plagues
>also conviently forgets that plagues would be affecting the Byzantine Empire as well and thinks that they're immune from them

Can someone explain how Mark Antony went from being so Based during S1 to being so silly and pathetic in S2?

>>87254023
>The word emperor can be exchanged with king.
NO. Emperor is a ruler of many kingdoms.

>>87268081
some people make a good second but a shitty first.

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>>87265424
Italy has absolutely not been useless. The Greek world has shrunk considerably and Greece wasn't on the map for several hundred years during the early modern era. They've been permanently crippled by the loss of Anatolia, which was the cultural centre of Greeks.

>>87268081
Gyppo slut corrupted him. He worships dogs and reptiles, he blackens his eyes with soot like a prostitute, he dances and plays cymbals in vile nilotic rites.

>>87268081
he fell for the vaginal jew

>>87264744
>cites Wikipedia as a source unironically

>>87265709
..And then what happened?

>>87268700
>he cites no sources yet claims superiority over he that does

Who would you cast as Cleopatra? The actress they cast was worth a few faps, but really wasnt anything special

>>87268846
Idris Elba

>>87268846
Emilia Clarke

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>>87268846
Finally Cleopatra will be played as she was always meant to be; as a proud woman of colour

BY ORDER OF THE TRIUMVIRATE

ALL SHITPOSTING MUST BE KEPT TO AN APPROPRIATE MINIMUM

>>87268081
He did have that nice scene right after getting fucked by Octavian, but he went full retard right after it.

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>>87268846
But circa 1990