>the masses are finally realizing how shitty it was

>>87193736
Proof?

it made money at the cost of destroying Star Wars' culture clout and nostalgia

this trilogy will keep making money but keep destroying it further

people pretended to like tpm for a few years too

>>87193763
yup Disney is going to drain every last drop out of star wars until it's as worthless a franchise as any other forgotten fantasy series

Disney is like a parasite, they can't produce anything quality anymore they can only suck the life out of still relevant properties.

Wasn't a big fan when it came out and have lost all interest in seeing The Last Jedi.

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Do I even need to say it?

desu there's this girl at work I have a thing for and I found out she's super duper big into this new star wars trilogy and all things new star wars and it honestly makes her less attractive in my eyes.

>>87193736
1 thing I fucking loved in this movie. Jagged Kylo's lightsaber effect.It was showing how unstable are sith/dark side users artifical cristals used for making them. Imagine this as Vader weapon in OT. That would be great

Itt: delusion from shut ins

I was a massive fan who'd consume anything Star Wars, no matter how terrible, and Episode 7 just made me stop caring about it. Didn't even watch the trailer for Rogue One.

>>87193893
This is exactly how Disney executives think of their stories.

>>87193852
why is George so smug?

>>87193852
Sorry Georgie

>>87193919
Disney's Star Wars is soulless and derivative, but is it really worse than the prequels?

>>87193974
I know I sound like a contrarian, but at least the prequels were trying something different for as horridly shit as they were.

>>87193852
why did you fucking sell it
why

you were supposed to make another triology to fix the mess you made

you were supposed to bring balance to your own movies not to sell them to greedy jews

you were an artist lucas. we loved you

>>87194015
They were trying something different, but they weren't competent.

>>87193974
Yes. Much worse.

>>87194063
it was all basically George Lucas' ideas though, even if those came out as terrible and no one reigned him in. The elements of the current trilogy is chosen through a hodge-podge of the OT, and is just a purely business strategy

>>87193852
>got cucked by the chandelier man

>>87194100
As morally bankrupt as the new trilogy is, it has better movies in terms of cinematography and writing. The score is the only technical aspect the prequels do better.

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>>87193736
remember remember the leaks

>>87193974
https://youtube.com/watch?v=pWvoFE7W288

As terribly as they were executed, they had 100x more care and thought put into them than Nu-Wars.

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I wouldn't say it was shitty, just a big fat nothing.
>Two years of, "FUCK OH MY FUCKING GOD STAR WARS YAAAAS"
Then
>Eh, I thought it was okay, I guess

glib facsimile

>>87194282
Fuck off Nabokov

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>Friendly reminder that all of the aesthetics and design of Naboo designed by Doug Chiang were completely plagiarized from Dinotopia

>>87194200
>it has better movies in terms of cinematography and writing
Both of which are terrible compared to actually good movies. I watched Star Wars to lose myself in this awesome universe with cool new planets, military technology, and force users. All of which was lacking from the ANH remake Disney released.

I couldn't care less about Star Wars' attempt at cinematography and writing, and never have.

Made me realize even all of the dumb shit in EU is still leagues better. At least the Old Republic stuff.

>>87193736
oy vey shut it down

>>87194436
the person drawing that never been close to a waterfall, imagine the noise and constant water saturated air dripping eveything constantly

>>87194436
no worder, all Star Wars movies is 1 big plagiat of many various things. This is well-known fact. It just sums up these things.

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>>87194447
It's really not.

Prequels actually FELT like star wars, regardless of if you think they are shit. There is a certain pace that doesn't feel so damn rushed, there are lots of slow scenes with goat Williams music.

ep7, rogue one don't feel like starwars at all. whoever said that if they released that movie with a title like guardians of the galaxy, nobody would blink a fucking eye, hit the nail on the head.

>>87193861
I know what you mean. It feels like they're part of a hivemind or something.

>>87193852
to be fair, i think the guy lost his mind or went senile. Old age kept him from completing it. I really wish he could have.

>>87193736

plinket was right...the lack of sexual feeling honestly is creepy as fuck

>>87194642
>It feels like they're part of a hivemind or something.

They are. People want to belong so much, they can't even call bad shit bad anymore. They're so afraid of voicing their own opinions, they choose to be afraid to think. Their subconscious is ruling over them, this is why media is working subliminally.

Makes me feel like shit. Where did it all go wrong lads.

>>87194534
Rogue one was bad but it definitely more like Star Wars than tfa

>>87194752
In the '70's. The 1770's.

>>87193907
t. mousekeeter.

>>87194829
I watched Rogue One and I literally don't remember any of it.

>>87194534
Shut up, moron. The prequels were dog shit and never felt like star wars.

>>87194876
I remember the courtroom scene but that's it

>>87194684
he still could have done it. he probably started to hate star wars due to the fan base. we've all seen the eu wiki. star wars enthusiasts are some of the most autistic monkeys around

>>87194534
this. Prequels felt like Star Wars.

Lucas fucked up when he started with Anakin being like 7 years old. Anakin should have been a teenager, like Luke, when he was discovered/ it would have felt more authentic when Yoda said he was too old to begin the training.

Qui-Gon, as much I liked him, was unnecessary as a character. Obi-Wan should have found Anakin, and raised and trained him from the beginning. Episode 2 could have been about Anakin and Obi's close friendship. Episode 3 could have been more about their fallout. Padme could have died at the age she was supposed to (a time where young Leia could have remembered her. Ep.6 Leia says she remembers how sad her mother used to be).

The most important aspects of what the prequels should have been about felt rushed because of Ep.1 with half the fucking movie being a podrace.

Origin of the Emperor and the Empire was the best executed part of prequels. Obi/Anakin/Padme relationship dynamics felt rushed. Luke and Leia should have been toddlers when Ep.3 was concluded.

>>87194876
fuck you, the death star scenes were great and gave the original death star more of a presence than it had at first and krennic was a good villain.

>>87194436
Naboo is a waterplanet?

>>87194436
>Doug Chiang
>Chiang
what else is new. when isn't a chink stealing

>>87194989
Maybe a bit of this... I've seen he speak recently, seems like he has a hard time putting sentences and thoughts together. Not even trying to be an ass, i think age just caught up with him.

Possibly the pressure to sell it as a propaganda vehicle got to him as well.

I really wish his name coulds have been on all 9. Oh well.

>>87193736
funnily enough it was the same kind of delay people had after Episode One released in comparison to the original trilogy

>>87193852
Can't really blame him for selling it. He put up with years of vitriolic fan backlash toward the prequels. By selling it he was no longer responsible.

>>87193763
>implying star wars wasn't already destroyed 20 years ago with the special edition and caring positively or negativily about disney's Star Wars is retarded.

>>87195010
I literally don't know what scenes you're referring to. I remember the old cgi guy and how gross that looked. I just honestly did not retain much of that movie. I was actually impressed by how much it made me check out. I guess the Darth Vader scene was neat.

>>87195097

I was still a kid when Episode 1 came out, so I can forgive myself not noticing it immediately. But how can actual adults with proper functioning faculties actually still cling to TFA?

>>87194200
>The score is the only technical aspect the prequels do better.
The score of the new movies was so incredibly soulless. I guess Williams is just phoning it in.

>>87193974
Yes, it's worse in the sense that it's a lazy cheap copy of the originals. The prequels are objectively bad but for fuck's sake at least they tried to introduce new concepts, new planets, etc. In Episode 7 we got

>Our hero grew up on a desert planet but it's not Tattooine
>The giant superweapon is totally not the death star!
>The rebels won but somehow they're still the rebels!
>Remember Han? You guys all liked Han, right?
>This midget alien imparting wisdom totally isn't just orange yoda
>Remember the cantina scene? You guys liked that, right?
>Remember the trench run? How cool was that!
>Remember when the Death Star blew up a planet?
>Remember when the bad guy and good guy were related?
>That's totally not Coruscant they just blew up!
>Hey look she's got Anakin's lightsaber, how, well that's a story for another time lol

There were some things that were done well, that could have led to interesting places. Rey's backstory, having never known her family, was a major departure from the shared Anakin/Luke theme of "muh dead guardians". Finn managed to be comic relief and a half-decent hero, coming across as good guy with genuine flaws. Kylo Ren actually seemed like a complex villain. The foundations of an interesting story was there. But the whole thing falls apart because of the shitty derivative writing.They had the roots of a solid story and abandoned it for "dude remember this thing from the originals?".

>>87195104
this was testing for special effects for the upcoming prequels. But it pisses me off to no end they won't release the original unedits. But it wasn't the end of the franchise anon.

Being sold to Disney was truly the end.

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guys just give it up the normies are always going to eat this shit up because people are just looking to have talking points during conversations and keep it positive so because nobody likes that guy who shits on the movie nobody will ever be that guy and pretend to like anything that hasnt been certified rotten so that they can have a polite laugh when one of the normies makes a joke about a "bad" movie and also fuck periods my sentences are as long as I want them to be this is america have you ever even read the declaration of independence its like 4 long sentences I mean who decided the cadence of fucking speaking anyway bunch of stupid faggots need pauses to keep track of an extended thought because their brains are too underdeveloped to grasp a complex idea

>>87195206
>Blaming "normies" for everything
>Stupid, autistic rambling
>Weebshit reaction image

Yep, it all checks out.

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>>87193852
Hey George how's it going?
Sorry all those heart condition-afflicted manchildren took every opportunity to shit on your movies when they weren't watching their Familiy Guy DVDs for the 25th time, but for what it's worth, I liked them. How about a diet soda?

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>>87195250
fuck off normie suck my feminine penis what are you some kind of faggot?

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John Boyega the madman!

>>87193736
No, they aren't. That's the problem

>>87195250
hes right tho

>>87195333
Girls love black guys, get over yourself

>>87194903
there was a courtroom scene?

>>87193736
Honestly I didn't realise how bad it was until I watched the original trilogy

>>87195170
>Rey's backstory, having never known her family, was a major departure from the shared Anakin/Luke theme of "muh dead guardians".

You know damn well they're going to cheapen out on this in the future.

>Turns out Rey's grandfather is actually Obi-Wan!!!!

Stay turned for OBI-WAN: A Star Wars Story

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>>87195839
leaving the theater i told my sister there was a small chance Rey could have been Obi-Won's granddaughter and not the super obvious Luke's daughter. We'll see. I thought the Obi-Won movie got memed into existence but that was probably naive.

>>87194534
This. Doesn't matter how bad the prequels were, they were still Star Wars. TFA was the most un-Star Wars movie ever with the name Star Wars slapped onto it. Rogue One did feel like Star Wars imo, but it was more of a fan made movie filled with fanservice for nostalgiafags.

>>87193893
Apparently the new Canon is that dark side users are raping sentient crystals with their hate or some shit and that's why they're red.

>>87194037
>why did you fucking sell it
Cause all you faggots were bitching about how bad the prequels were.

>>87193974
no its just reddit and /tv/ being contrarians

>>87193736
5>4>6>3>1>R1>2>7

Rogue One, Episode 2 and Episode 1 can compete for second worst. Episode 7 didn't really feel like a Star Wars movie.

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>>87193893
>>87196405

Relevant.

>>87193736
The prequels at least a had vision and tried to do new things. This didn't even try to do that.

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>>87193736
The OT and even the PT were pretty awesome. People are sick of having (((SJW))) bullshit shoved down their throats with the new ones. It's that simple.

>>87200344
characters existing that aren't white men isn't shoving anything down anybody's throats. and people aren't sick of it

back to /pol/

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>>87195206
>people are just looking to have talking points during conversations and keep it positive

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>>87200390
You imply that people hate boyega because of racism.
Yet no one complains about Lando, except for the fact he wore the same clothes as Han.

>>87200496
I like Lando but that was weird as fuck, you think he tried to black leia?

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>>87193852
I'm sorry George

>>87200565
>muh dick

>>87193852
Sorry George.

>>87193736
Nothing in Marvel Wars will ever compare to the Maul battle or the Asteroid field in Clones or the intro of Sith and the following Sidious scenes. It will always be soulless Marvel garbage. It can never be undone. It can never be good. The new SW made for little girls and online SJWs. Gone are the stories and thrilling battles, replaced instead with agenda.

>>87193938

He's really a woman.

>>87193736
I seriously doubt that.
The new piece of trash sequel will still break a billion without problems.

>>87194280
>Eh, I thought it was okay, I guess
That was definitely my initial reaction, but the more I watched it, the more I hated it. All TFA is good for is being a dumb popcorn flick nearly in the same tier as the Fast n' Furious franchise by virtue of the dumb, sweeping action.

DUDE ITS THE SAME BUT WITH DIFFERENT CHARACTERS LMAO

If Luke doesn't try and do the right thing by killing all the force users than this series will go from retarded to dumpster fire.

>>87193852
Will George Martin become our times George Lucas?

>>87193736
Don't worry. 10 years from now when episode 10 some college kid will make an article about how the second trilogy was a hidden masterpiece as evidenced by the use of "square theory" or some shit.

>>87201068
third trilogy*

>>87195654
Yeah it's bad but, Disney doesn't care because this shit is for kids. For every Gen Z kid this is the first time they've seen a lightsaber and a stormtroopers. It's the first time they've ever heard the word Jedi. The old movies are plainly better movies. Of COURSE they are. Disney didn't make a better film. It just made modern blockbuster clusterfuck that is meant to blast images at children at super-high velocity.

>>87200344

Once a nigger always a nigger

I unironically still legitimately enjoy the first 30 or so minutes of TFA. Same with Revenge of the Sith.

>>87195010
>Krennic was a good villain
He was utterly pathetic. The performance was "meh" tier. Better than most of the other actors in the movie, but not memorable overall.

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>>87193852
Sorry George, but the force is female now

>>87193852

Fuck off you fucking hack

>>87195157
Because TPM was catered to a new generation of kids who didn't really "grow up" with the OT which upseted manchildren, TFA did the opposite and cradled their balls. Not to mention a lot of the adult "fans" are just people bandwagoning on the nerd fad, they'll eat whatever Disney markets to them.

>>87201230
the force is whatever gets the assess in the seats

The new movies are way, way more competently made than the prequels, but they're so dead and soulless its almost worse than what Lucas shat out.

>>87194829
>definitely more like Star Wars than tfa
If you mean the window dressings (the setting, costumes, vehicles, typical Empire shit that had to be included b/c of the setting, Darth Vader, CGI Moff Tarkin & Princess Leia), then sure. Other than that, the main cast didn't really have much chemistry and everything felt phoned-in and phony.

Anyone remember how bizarre /tv/ was during TFA release month? It was forbidden to dislike the film without a dozen fags jumping on you at once. Now nobody is defending the film anymore. Where did all those defenders go? It's like they all vanished from the board two months after.

>>87200223
what the fuck i hate star wars now
No but seriously, the force is cool but I'm fine with it just being fuck magic, I don't understand why there are force sensitive penguins, force sensitive tries, and force fucked sentient god damn fucking rocks.

WHO GIVES A FUCK

>>87201872
it was better than the prequels.

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>>87202024
It really wasn't. Atleast those films looked properly cinematic while TFA looked like it was shot in someone's backyard and there was a retirement home close by of the old SW actors.

>>87193974

TFA is literally the worst movie made.

Mary Sue + rehash, for a big budget film, is beyond bad.

The PT is watchable. TFA isn't, except for pretty effects.

>>87193736
its easy, really...
The original trilogy was made for people
TFA was made for dumb kids
there.

>>87193736
>OP is still butthurt that TFA was a good movie

>>87193852
Please come back

>>87193763
Yes and it was completely insane, Star Wars had a huge fanbase and they could have hired the best writers instead of treating it like the Spiderman franchise

>>87203424
exactly.. took'em 10 years to come up with a epIV rehash with few tiny original things sprinkled on top...
BRA-fuckin-VO

>>87193974
It's worse.
Let me describe it with a few words:

Mary sue, sterile, wasted Mads fucking Michelson, muh strong girl vs protective beta orbiter nigg, leia and Han make it even worse, light saber choreo worse than fan videos on YouTube, evry character is unlikeable and so on and so forth

>>87193736
Since when did a bunch of NEETs on /tv/ count as "the masses"?

>>87194480
Wingrove knows about waterfalls, and also knows that dinosaurs surviving K-T wouldn't just spend 65 MY evolving intelligence and empathy and nothing else, remaining in all their cool-looking forms to pull wagons and fly around on. He just doesn't care.

>>87193736
Nah. The kids and nostalgia whores are eating it up.

>>87193852
I miss him. The prequels were kinda bad, but they were our crap. The EU also had its low points, but, again, it was our crap.

>>87193974
On the technical level they're probably better, but thematically they're significantly worse.

>>87200496
Princess Organa, i'm Bespin

>>87193852
we don't deserve you George

>>87201872
its too expensive to pay online shills for a movie several years after its released

>>87204439
actually surprised this took so long
maybe the meme is finally dying

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>>87193736
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nk_WHHTQtY

The price we paid for swallowing RLM's bullshit.

>>87194037
No we did NOT need another fucking trilogy. This shit ended with the Prequels, which had some good elements to them. Fucking end it with them and call it a day.

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>>87204596
RLM was right.
Disney is the kind of company Lucas was trying to avoid when he made Star Wars in the first place.

>>87193919
Rogue One is miles apart from the steaming pile of shit that was Ep VII

>>87204886
Rogue one was fucking awful, jesus christ.

>>87204948
can you explain why?
it cant possibly be worse than TFA
I havent seen it yet.

>>87194876
>>87194829
Rogue One suffered from reshoots but otherwise it could've been a good movie. That said, the whole concept behind it is shit. Who gives a fuck about muh Death Star plans? That shit was explored in video games for a million times. I'd have liked to see things in a completely different time, maybe something inbetween Episodes 1 and 2 or 5 and 6, or hell even finally an explanation on the setting for 7. But nah let's pander to nostalgia.

It was still better than TFA though, because it had a more original story. Better than TFA isn't a very good status though, since TFA was the worst Star Wars movie of all time.

>>87204886

Rogue One was a nice Star Wars TV movie, and yes, it's a million times better than TFA.

>>87200390
>2016 election results
>people aren't sick of it

sweetie...

>>87201230

Oy vey! look at the schnauzers on these beauties!

>>87204995
They even had worse plans for Rogue One. jyn mother was a jedi in the original script, because the force is female. but they only ditch this part because that would make Jyn a jedi too and at that time they didn't even know Rey was the Jedi main lead of TFA. Kathleen Kennedy turned SW into a cunt fest

>>87204995
It was better in that TFA was infuriating and R1 was only boring.

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>>87204948
Blindly bashing anything Disney is how you tell apart an edgy contrarian kid from a real fan. We got two very different movies from Disney so far.

Rogue One
>Interesting storyline
>Ties nicely into the original trilogy
>Well-written script, maybe not the best, but decent
>Compelling characters
>Good casting
>Aesthetics, sounds and music 100% faithful to those of the original trilogy
>Respectful treatment of the original characters
>Decent villain
>Actually explains an Original Trilogy plothole
>Iconic scenes like the ambush at Jeddah or Vader's appearance

Overall, it's a decent movie.

Yes, some moments feel like fan service, but they are nicely done. It was never going to be as good as the original trilogy, and they chose to go in a direction (more gritty and with more grey morality) that will not appeal to some fans, which I respect, but overall it was decent and has earned its place in the Star Wars canon.

Compare with
The Force Awakens
>Poor script, full of plot holes and amateurish writing errors
>Shits all over the original trilogy by wiping out a planet and killing a major character, both moments feel forced and cheap, just to get a rise from the audience
>Characters are SJW diversity pandering or cheap copies of the OT characters but with none of the soul
>Terrible casting, chosen only for diversity reasons
>They change key aspects of the original aesthetic just to sell toys... unstable lightsaber broadsword makes no sense whatsoever, nor does the First Order having ships larger than those of the Empire when they lack the resources the Empire had at its peak
>Terrible cartoon villain
>Retarded scenes like the final fight between Rei and Kylo Ren where the Force becomes a cheap deus ex machina
>Shoving current politics into the world of Star Wars

The only saving grace of TFA is that it had some nice cinematographic shots of landscapes and such. But it was a terrible movie in every respect that doesn't feel like SW and shat all over the canon.

>>87203424
Imagine what they could have done if they'd gone back to the beginnings of the franchise and just done a hard reboot with Luke Starkiller & Sheeit with strong jungian themes

I don't even want to think about it...

>>87193861
felt that way when I met someone who liked new simpsons. He immediately went down 10 notches in my eyes

>>87194037
>you were an artist lucas. we loved you

YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE THE CHOSEN ONE.

I'm not the kind of guy to do this, but you're so wrong I have trouble believing this isn't bait.

>Interesting storyline
Objectively wrong, nothing in the story matters at all. Everybody dies and we all know how it ends, it's just another pointless prequel.
>Ties nicely into the original trilogy
Except for the part where it makes the opening of ANH retarded
>Compelling characters
How delusional are you? Bland characters is pretty much the only flaw everyone agrees on. Except for the monk dude all the characters are interchangeable, invincible killing machines.
>Aesthetics, sounds and music 100% faithful to those of the original trilogy
pls
>Respectful treatment of the original characters
Like dragging Tarkin's corpse out of the closet for nostalgia points
>explains an Original Trilogy plothole
You don't know what a plot hole is. It "explains" something nobody gave a fuck about.
>Iconic scenes like the ambush at Jeddah
The what in the where? Was it one of those scenes where everyone shoots blasters and hundreds of Stromtroopers fall down? Oh yeah, so iconic.

>>87194253
>tfw poetry was real

Sorry to mock you George

>>87205692
Another example of poor script writing in TFA was when Han tells Chewie "you take the detonator". I knew right then and there that Han was going to die. There was no need for that line. They could have shown Chewie grabbing the detonator and that's that. But by making it so obvious they gave away the surprise to anyone that could rub two braincells together.

>HEY CHEWIE YOU SHOULD TAKE THE DETONATOR BECAUSE WE NEED THIS TO BLOW UP FOR STORYLINE REASONS BUT I WON'T BE ALIVE TO DO IT. THERE IS NO REASON FOR ME NOT TO GRAB THE DETONATOR BUT YOU SHOULD DO IT BECAUSE THE PLOT DEMANDS IT

I have NO faith in Ep VIII either. Sadly it's looking like it will be more of the same shit TFA gave us.

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>>87205692
>Compelling characters
>>Good casting
>>Aesthetics, sounds and music 100% faithful to those of the original trilogy
>>Respectful treatment of the original characters
>>Decent villain

LOL fuck off
fuck right off

>>87205692
>>Actually explains an Original Trilogy plothole
death star shaft thing was never a plothole. it showed us how Empire thinks. they just never thought that small fighters could posess any threat, it is said in the movie. they were powerful, but because of that they got arrogant and rebels exploited that. sabotage is thematically a worse explanation than a gigantic bureaucracy just being arrogant

>>87205954
It's like they didn't think the OT was ruined enough by the prequels and wanted to add something of their own to the pile.

>>87205846
>Objectively wrong, nothing in the story matters at all. Everybody dies and we all know how it ends, it's just another pointless prequel
You never wondered how they got the DS plans? It's a nice story about sacrifice, not every story needs to advance the plotline, you already know what happens.
But how you get there is interesting. With your logic you should have never seen any of the prequels because "you already know what happens"

>Except for the part where it makes the opening of ANH retarded
It doesn't, Vader is chasing the Death Star plans, makes perfect sense to me

>How delusional are you? Bland characters is pretty much the only flaw everyone agrees on. Except for the monk dude all the characters are interchangeable, invincible killing machines.
Chirrut and the droid are both great characters. Jyn is kinda bland though. But it was better than TFA.

>Like dragging Tarkin's corpse out of the closet for nostalgia points
It was nicely done. They didn't shit all over his character, his behaviour is in line with the OT and he has three lines at most

>It "explains" something nobody gave a fuck about.
A lot of people gave a fuck. Previous novels tried to explain it away with technobabble.

>The what in the where? Was it one of those scenes where everyone shoots blasters and hundreds of Stromtroopers fall down? Oh yeah, so iconic.
One of the grittiest Star Wars battle scenes we ever got, it actually feels like a warzone with civilians caught in the crossfire.

EP VII was to me, as EP 1 was to the older generations.

I was young when The Phantom Menace came out, but I had been re-watching the original trilogy since I could talk. I actually enjoyed the prequels to some degree, poor dialogue aside.

I could never understand why the older generations hated TPM so much, but after seeing The Force Awakens, I can at least understand how they feel.

Rogue One was just much more interesting, now I don't even care about the main storyline at all, I just want more stand-alone films.

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>>87194200
>cinematography and writing
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>87193736
b-but 8 will be good

>>87194642
Unlike people who browse /tv/, right? No hivemind here.

>>87193974
the sequels are not that bad, they are just fantasy movies for children/adolescents

>>87194037
>you were an artist lucas. we loved you

I agree. I respect someone who follows their vision, regardless of whether what they produce is good or not. There is merit in it.

I don't think the prequels are good but there is merit in what he wanted to achieve. There is nothing in the sequels, just money.

>>87207327
to be fair people argue all the time on /tv/, normies who live in a bubble just reinforce their beliefs and that's about it

>>87194037
He sold it to the white slavers

>>87193736

The prequels were shit too, but all those 7 year olds that grew up with it now adore it.

TL;DR in 10 years TFA will be heralded as a master piece.

>>87193974
Objectively, absolutely not. Artistically, absolutely yes.

>>87207375
>I don't think the prequels are good but there is merit in what he wanted to achieve.
This. I start to have more respect for him after this. His art was shit, but it was still his art and his vision.

>>87193893
It wouldn't make sense you retard. The empire had control of almost everything. It wouldn't make sense if they didn't have proper lightsabers.

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>>87194876
It wasn't that bad. Don't cry you lil bitch

>>87207418
"Argue" implies a debate between two points of view in good faith. That's not what happens here. What happens here is anonymous says X, then 20 other people swoop in to call him a shill.

Assuming that anybody disagreeing with you must be being paid to do so means you think everyone "really" agrees with you. Hivemind.

>>87193736
>the masses are finally realizing how shitty it was
As if "the masses" gave it one thought after finding it amusing and leaving the theater instead of obsessing on it like a Star Wars-loving autist*.


* It is its own parody.

>>87200344
>(((SJW))) bullshit
>>87199226

>>87193736
People said the prequels were fucking amazing when they came out, not so much as time went on.

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>>87193919
I'm old enough where I was around for the first films, I had all the toys as a kid. I lived and breathed this franchise, I don't give a shit about it anymore.

Women ruin everything.

>>87208238
women ruined star wars
women ruined marvel comics
women ruined Game of thrones
what else is there?

>>87208148
The hate for episode 1 was instantaneous

>>87194037
>you were supposed to bring balance to your own movies not to sell them to greedy jews
>sell them to greedy jews
ooooh boy i got news for you
star wars was always a jew product. the directors and the producers were always jews and so were a bunch of actors like harrison ford and carrie fisher

>>87208450
lies. everyone loved it, people were so hyped after watching it on theaters it was all over the news and the critics absolutely adored it
it only started being criticed negatively around 2010 and later thanks to reddit
fuck off with your revisionist bullshit

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>>87200434
the normie obsession with being "positive" will never cease to enrage me. The fact that so many humans want to lobotomize the negative out of their lives in order feel better rather than appreciate and understand the breadth of the human experience and learn to appreciate the "good" by having the fucking bad for contrast.

Why are things not allowed to be bad? Why is it not allowed to say X is bad? Why do people take a negative assertion as personal attack or a disruption of their peaceful, perfect fantasy?

>>87208450
This is not true at all, there was mass buzz and everyone was saying how amazing it was.

Only years later did people start turning on it.

>>87208450
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSaaa_OBkzw

>>87208585
No you are wrong and misrepresenting events.

>>87208450

anon is right

bullshit, people shit all over that movie the weekend it came out

>>87208585
Nope, long time SW fans HATED episode I with a passion the minute it came out. By 2003 I remember dozens of Jar Jar hate websites.

You must be very young.

>>87208721
The media always hypes up shit.
Real people hated it.

Everyone on the internet was pissed off, particularly after Ep II came out in 2002, but already Ep I reception was very lukewarm.

>>87208723
>>87208752
t. 17 yo newfags

>>87208813
>moving the goalpost
stop, you've been proven wrong, the audience loved it and so did hardcore SW fans. the prequels were well received and the hate is a 2010's thing

>>87205895
See how easy it is to find the dumb contrarian bandwagoner.

>>87193736
the nigger is going to be the good guy, I bet, and the white woman will turn evil.

>>87194232
>Finn finds Snoke's tomb.

Why Finn?

>>87209462
then white evil woman will get BLACKED and find the right way

>>87209008

The fuck? Phantom Menace hate was common among fans, perhaps you were a baby at the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4TX6x2WLgk

The new Star Wars does nothing for me. I never really cared about the original trilogy either but I could appreciate them for how impressive they are for their time. I don't think I'm the audience at all but it all seems entirely bland, forgettable, the problem is modern pop culture especially "nerd culture", is pure shit and nothing supposedly "cult", now originates organically.

>>87209674

RLM really helped popularize it and make it really okay to hate amongst normies. I remember being I think eight years old and being really bored at various points and found the most pleasant experience just going to the bathroom, I think before the podracing scene started, since I drank a massive cup of coke.

>>87194885
>that one guy who still hasn't gotten over how bad the prequels were and rewatches plinkett videos daily
Kek

>>87200496
What's more interesting about the implementation of Lando is that nobody even looked twice at his skin colour. He just happened to be black, because in a universe filled with aliens, who gives a shit about skin tone?

>everyone on /tv/ hates it = everyone hates it

Once again, anon confuses the general population with the population of angry neckbeards on /tv/.

muh mary sue

>>87208585
>2010 thanks to reddit
You seem to know a lot about reddit.
Perhaps you belong there.

>>87203555

This

At least it brought us a new Lego UCS Millenium Falcon.
I know $800 is a bit steep for a lego set, but the old one ($300 then) goes for 5k+ these days.

>>87208585
>>87208663
>>87208721

Wrong

>>87210256

Episode 1 was critically panned and culturally derided long before RLM.

It was so bad that a key part of the marketing for Episode 2 was people saying 'yeah we fucked up with the first one, this one will be better, we promise'.

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>>87209288
this 100%

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>>87211585
thank you anon

>>87208450
>>87208723
>>87208726
>>87208752
>>87208813
>>87209674
>>87210758
>>87211271
>00s disney shills trying to fool everyone
>fail miserably

>>87210525
No it was because things were less racially polarized. The black population was much smaller and of higher quality in the 1970s. No crack, no astronomical murder rate, no white worries about brutal homicide at the hands of Negros.

And miscegenation was still frowned on. Lando tries a flirt with the white princess and gets the cold shoulder. Everyone was happy with that.

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>>87193852
Oy, you were an aight lad, I miss ya.

>>87200496
>Some whiteboy has always got to invoke the holy trilogy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L9io-b9Uew

>>87210525
it's because he wasn't used for publicity or diversity points, he was just another character

with John Boyega they've gone the extra mile to make it clear he makes the star wars universe better by being a strong black character who adds diversity to the franchise and who abandons and fights against a (as stated by them) white supremacist organization he used to be part of when he didn't know better

>>87193852
stay away and keep away - he lost his talent a long time ago

>>87193815

As if Star Wars ever had any 'quality' to it.

It's like Indiana Jones. Bad cinematography, bad acting, bad plot, but it's a 'cult classic', so the second Shia LaBeouf gets tacked onto a sequel, suddenly all the 'muh nostalgia' critics crawl out from their mothers' basements.

The original films were objectively awful, and the prequels are so bad no one wants to even acknowledge them. The new films are better in every way, so far.

>>87211862
>Lando tries a flirt with the white princess and gets the cold shoulder.
I always read that as just Lando being a bit of a creep.

I wouldn't care but Star Wars is ruining Disneyworld.

>>87212766
Force is the thing that makes star wars special, it actually goes deep when you think of it. But i agree the movies never worked on it, hell only R1 worked on it a bit.
Vader was a great character and he carried the movies, force and dark/light side concepts could be amazing if it was processed better. This is why people hated prequels because it had such potential. Imagine if we could get how Anakin turned into dark side better. It'd be fucking art, man. 3rd movie was still much better than the rest because of it. When you have this material you can do a great contrast and make big conflicts.

But yeah there's no point, because they were always so afraid normies wouldnt understand and get bored, and disney dont give a single fuck about making good movies so, yeah.

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>>87194253
>people are actually contrarian and stupid enough to believe this
Those are literally just a bunch of random shit he unconsciously copied from the OT without any intention because he's a fucking HACK.

This is just the Zelda cycle all over AGAIN. I fucking hate all of you.

>>87193974
No

>>87193974
TFA is a different kind of bad from the prequels. People forget that the prequels were full of "remember X??" just like TFA was, because TFA did so much more of it. The prequels were rushed, lazy, terrible, stupid movies full of awful ideas, but compared to TFA they look way more creatively rich. TFA has been recieved far better because it cannot possibly be playing it any safer and because it lacks Lucas's ridiculous writing.

>>87200434
>>87208635
Anon, you're literally complaining that a bad thing people do is not try to share what is bad in their lives.

You are being a downer by complaining that people aren't being downers with you.

No wonder no one invites you to the party; you try to be angsty about things and get even more angsty when you realize normal people just aren't willing to be that angsty.

>>87194713
This is another big problem. We don't need big overwritten love story dialogue like in Attack of the Clones, we just need a little something. Luke and Han think Leia is attractive, and Leia kisses Luke before they swing over the pit together. That's all we need.

>>87213078

I'm with you there. This story would've excelled as a comic series, or even as an epic novel. The problem is that it's already been a film series, then a failed film series, and now a pop culture film series, so any serious attempt to make a written series which would lend itself to close reading would be quietly dismissed as fan fiction.

It's a shame, but the only way to get any enjoyment out of the Star Wars universe at this point is to allow Disney to make it mindless entertainment for the masses. (Which doesn't make it bad, per se—not all mindless entertainment is on the level of Michael Bay's Transformers.)

>>87200223
This is so fucking stupid. Wow we better explain where the red lightsaber came from. It can't just be some ancient Sith tradition, it's because RED is the color of RAGE.

What are the Sith with yellow lightsabers doing? Pissing on the sentient crystals to humiliate and demean them? Or what about the Jedi? Do they take their sentient crystals on long romantic walks in the forest or along the shoreline until they blossom into beautiful greens and blues? Fuck you.

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>>87200496
No its because Lando didn't come out during the internet. If he did there would have been plenty of complainers. "Oooh durr its so unrealistic that a nigger would be able to be a leader of such an important city" or "Sure made him a General because Mothma is a fucking KEK and muh diversity". Lets just be realistic.

>>87193736
I've never walked into a movie with such an open mind and come out sooooooo disappointed. I'd watch the prequels over TFA. At least the prequels tried to be different.

>>87204596
>The price we paid for swallowing RLM's bullshit.

The truth has been spoken, anon. The unjustified hatred towards the prequels by faux-intellectual manchildren opened up the cultural space for Disney's unsophisticated nostalgia pandering.

George Lucas was an artist, Jar Jar Abrams is a sellout SJW.

>>87212992
this. they added x wings and star wars shit to space mountain which is shameful.

>>87205954
>>87205984
>Empire is controlled by literal space wizards with A.I. at their disposal
>DUHHH HOW DO CONSTRUCTION?

Bruh, either the Empire is incredibly incompetent at building superweapons or the empire is great at it's fucking job. It can't be both simultaneously. You don't spend fucking years building something and then casually leave a way to blow it up in ten fucking seconds on purpose! That would LITERALLY be the definition of a bad investment

>>87195262
Actually I wish I could own one of those. I feel like I only knew a small part of this vidya kino experience with the n64 version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtPwbhC8wQs

>>87208450
Its just you can't think of anything besides hate or love because you are a brainlet.

Episode I was understood as a movie with annoying characters and questionable choices but glorious set designs, world building and some cool scenes. Darth Maul was a lot of kids edgy hero. There was still hope and anticipation for Episode 2. Clones was when people decided to shit over SW tbqh.

>>87193974
I think so. But I'm not a HUGE sw fan. I get why the prequels are so hated but on the other hand they are a thousand times more creative and interesting then nu wars: girl luke rises

>>87210256
I don't think you understand how little cultural relevance that RLM actually holds.

>>87195170
That green text about TFA was so on point it hurts. You can visually see the checklist they went down when making the movie. Its so fucking soulless and safe

>>87194436
not really
that looks mesoamerican
and theed looks like byzantium

This movie made me drop the entire series. It was so nothing but cringy fan service.

>>87201230
I wish I could throw some force all over those left 2

>>87213775
before WW II French built a fuckhuge set of fortifications on their border with Germany called Maginot Line and Germans just walked around it. in retrospect it was stupid as well, but bureaucracies sometimes do dumb shit, the bigger their resources the dumber ways they allocate them.
and again, this shows us the important characteristic of the Empire and the Dark Side in general. it is mighty, yet very arrogant. they simply never would have thought that such raid like the Rebels did could ever be successful. and to be honest it wouldn't if son of the most powerful Force user in history didn't join it and used the Force to succeed

>>87205846
>you will never be so mad that your nu star wars is such steaming garbage you attack people on a Chinese board game forum

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>>87213214
>People forget that the prequels were full of "remember X??"
No , there was very little fan service and fanboys complained about it, no Falcon, no X-wing, no Tie-Fighters no stormtrooppers etc...

>TFA has been recieved far better because it cannot possibly be playing it any safer
No, it was received better because of the massive Disney propaganda on all news outlets. George Lucas didn't have that tight hold on the medias, that's why they trashed him
For example Peter Serafinowicz who voiced Darth Maul trashed the movie without mercy. When TFA was released he sucked JJ abrams cock because he knows he would be blacklisted if he doesn't. I hate this kind of bitches.

>>87214272
Anon, LITERAL SPACE WIZARDS! LITERAL A.I.!

I'll concede that it's plausible that the empire got so large and powerful that they subsequently got arrogant. Fine, that makes a kind of sense.

However, in this case, it's literally a hole wherein if you shoot the single most common form of artillery in the setting the entire structure just explodes.

The only explanation that doesn't make the empire, and thus the people failing to stop them, seem like the single most incompetent military force in existence is that the structure was purposefully sabotaged.

>>87208314
Video Games. Mass Effect as a series literally dies thanks to woman and diversity.

>>87208721
>all those white people

fucking disgusting

>>87193852
sorry lucas, now giv kamino alien gf

>>87193919
literally me, read almost everything from the EU, play every star wars game and after the 7 it's just souless

>>87213125
>zelda cycle
go back to your board /v/ermin

>>87214695
but if not for Luke, Rebels wouldn't be able to hit the shaft and it would have been a suicide mission. it was too small for their computers to target, Luke had to use the force to hit it. not accounting for the most potent force user in the galaxy taking part in the attack is not incompetence.
and do you remeber Tarkins last words? someone told him that rebels are approaching the shaft and asked if evacuation should be prepared, even then he only angrily said "nonsense". so yes, they were simply that arrogant, Tarkin thought that attack had 0% chances of succeding even then. pride walks before the fall, very basic trope and message, fitting to SW which is generally a fairy tale in space.

>>87214391
>No , there was very little fan service

>Space Jesus Anakin
>Clone Wars was about Boba Fett Clones made from a Boba Fett clone
>Anakin built C3PO

There's tons of hamfisted attempts at fanservice in the prequels, its just that all of it fell flat.

>>87214966
It's a fucking example you fa/tv/irgin. New thing comes out (prequels), most love it at first, start hating it, newest thing comes out (TFA), fans start pretending like they loved the old thing all along and hate the newest thing.

>>87211862
>No crack, no astronomical murder rate, no white worries about brutal homicide at the hands of Negros.
Murder rate was higher and the Symbionese Liberation Army and the Black Panthers were running around setting up bombs. You millenial snowflakes need to shut the fuck up.

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>>87214973
Okay. I'll concede but only if we agree it was not a matter of simple arrogance, but a combination of counter space wizardry (Luke Skywalker being present) AND arrogance.

Agreed?

I watched it 3 times now and it's average at best.

>>87193852
You still made two Star Wars movies that were worse than episode 7 don't get smug fucker.

It was boring which to me is the greatest sin a movie can accomplish. TR-8R was the only interesting character.

>>87206591
What the fuck was this shot?
Its so unlike any kind of scene Lucas has ever made?
This is why I'm mad. Jar Jar Abrahams didn't even bother to study Lucas's film technique and try to mimic it as it was originally intended to be a soap opera.

>>87193852
Lucas
Spielberg
Scott
Cameron

Best of the late 20th century and beginning of the 21st.

>>87215306
Yeah, it really didn't fit.

>>87215269
Based Tom Cruise saving the shitfest

>>87215306
JJ Abrams is proof that if you are a kike you are in Hollywood and if Spielberg likes you, you get to direct Star Wars. I used to respect Spielberg but it's so obvious he selects (((favorites))) all the time that get pushed to big blockbuster movies.

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>>87215203
yes. and thats why I don't like the sabotage explanation and never considered the shaft thing to be a plot hole, Rebels wouldn't be able to destroy the Death Star anyways without Luke

>>87215391
spent too much time doing muh shoah research

>>87215391
Yeah, like that ugly guy playing the new Han Solo.

>new movies are so terribly unoriginal that the old turbo autistic expanded universe is highly preferable

I am also of the belief that Knights of the old republic 2 is the best piece of star wars ever made.

>>87212766
>Star Wars is a cult Classic
>Original films were objectively awful
I disagree with you in the hardest manor.

>>87215417
>>87215203
Who the fuck is this guy?

>>87205692
>Implying next movies are going to be like R1 or better
Don't kid ourselves here, Rogue will be the last thing of the shitfest that is nu-SW that we can call, at worse, decent.

>>87215692
he's in all 3 movies/major battles

>>87215918
Rogue One will forever be the worst Star Wars movie ever made, no matter what happens

>>87216434
TFA exists kiddo

>>87193974
Rogue one is even worse than Episode 1.

>>87198228
this

>>87215692
Wedge, Ewan McGregor's real life uncle

>>87193852
Fuck you George. You're still a hack, just less of a hack than Disney tv directors.

>>87194642

Yeah and people on /TV/ aren't a hivemind?

>>87208004
Stop going to capeshit and Game of Thrones threads you fucking imbecile and maybe you'd see some actual discussion on this board.

>>87194200
Daily reminder that the writing and the script of a movie mean jack shit compared to the finished product.
What actually matters in a movie are the scenes and how they work.

>>87193852
Sorry George. I'm sorry man-children ripped you a new one when your work was, is, and always will be for children and teenagers and did it's job valiantly. You didn't deserve to be shit on by cheeto-fingered obese figurine collectors but that's the game you played. For what it's worth Disney was going to scoop it up on a long enough timeline anyways, so I don't blame you. Money is money, afterall.

>>87205692
>well written script
>character "sacrifices" for no reason just to get a dramatic clip for the trailer
>FOR THE FORCE!

>>87215148
>spot /v/ermin
>get mad when he got called out

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>>87217270
>no reason
>pinned down on an hostile planet
>most squad companions dead
>escape ship got blown up
>they were already dead
>needed someone to pull the switch to enable the comms to transmit the DS plans
Yeah no reason at all brainlet

>>87193852
i dont like you. you were the most jewish non-jew guy.