How did the Unsullied get to KL?

>>87134697
That's not KL

This looks like a shit Total War game

>>87134742
Yeah it is.

>>87134697
>Literally has a scene where all characters are doing is walking and talking for maybe 15 minutes straight
How was this acceptable?

>>87134697
I don't know
And I can't bring myself to care anymore, neither can D&D apparently
I know "just turn your brain off" is a meme but seriously, you know you'll never get a proper answer by now so don't bother

>>87134849
No its not

>>87134891
Yes. It is. Bronn and Jamie are there. They were at the Kings Landing meeting. The Unsullied were at Kings Landing.

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>>87134697
They just walked the Goldroad to Kings Landing.

>>87134697
Nothing makes sense anymore. Where does Cersei get her support from? She has no houses supporting her, she has no support from the faith, nothing from the ordinary people. She's just a cartoon villain who operates out of the internal world logic to justify her status as a villain.

>>87134928
it's highgarden you dumb fuck

>>87135065
No it's not.

>>87134963

Doesn't it take months to get from Winterfell to King's Landing? So how did the Unsullied get from Cast Rock to King's Landing so quickly? What did they eat?

>>87134928
No it's not

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>>87135065
>>87135065
You can fucking SEE THE RED KEEP.

FUCKING

KILL

YOURSELF.

At this point everyone has teleporting devices,war has changed

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>>87134697

>“It’s funny...I did see one review where he just could not get past the airspeed velocity of a raven. If the show was struggling, if it wasn’t finding an audience, I would be up in arms about that and trying to press back, but it actually just made me laugh,” says Taylor.

>“You’ve got a [dragon] that’s bigger than a [Boeing] 747 [plane] with seven people riding on its back, and you’re worried about the speed of a raven being believable. OK, obviously, we’re not doing our jobs correctly for you, but it seems to be working for a lot of other people.”

>>87135186
is this real?

>>87135186
This kind of criticism is honestly very lame when far greater storytelling sins are committed by the episode. But people are too dumb to notice bad storytelling so they just obsess over trivial bullshit instead.

>>87135186
>“You’ve got a [dragon] that’s bigger than a [Boeing] 747 [plane
No way are the dragons in the show that big.

>>87135186
Talking of dragons, how the fuck did the city not descend into a panicked mess when Dany swooped into the city on TWO fucking huge dragons? Who the fuck thought that was a good idea? It looks like an attack AND it puts her strongest force in danger.

>>87135119
They ate most of the serfs in the Reach. All the nobles too.

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>>87134697
>How did they get across the channel

the fuck are you talking about?

>>87134994
If Dany hadn't burnt all the food I could maybe have bought that Cersei was buying the support of the populace by lots of feasting in the city, showering them in drink and opulence after the Faith was outlawing the whorehouses and drinking, while the rest of the kingdom starves. Seems like the kind of short-sighted thing Cersei would do without thinking about stocking up for winter.

>>87134777
Atilla looks way better than this

>>87135186
>WE GOT DRAGONS THEREFORE NOTHING NEEDS TO MAKE SENSE

holy shit kill them all

the people who make this show are literally as dumb as its fans

>>87135065

So Jaime, bronn, cersei, the mountain, and qyburn teleported to high garden in one episode, whereupon they built the red keep, built the dragon pit, and moved the ocean?

You're a fucking idiot.

>>87134697

Casterly rock is closer to kings landing than high garden is but I don't see you mentioning bronn or jaime. What's the problem?

>>87134697

It was their forte

>>87135086
>>87135122
You retards. And it's not teleportation in this case it's just rushing ahead and not showing the days in between. You retards. How retarded do you have to be to think that's kings landing?

they weren't stuck in casterly rock...euron just destroyed their ships, and the lannister army was attacking high garden. the entire road from casterly rock to kings landing was clear. they walked it.

>>87136035
No its not

>>87135119
>Doesn't it take months to get from Winterfell to King's Landing?

Casterly Rock is much closer to King's Landing than Winterfell is.

>>87136062

>haha I was only pretending to be retarded

>>87136284
>taking any got thread seriously at this point

>>87134697
>use the same set for two different locations
>assume your retarded audience will see it as continuity even though the armies switched places and are now on the other side of the continent
>it works

Seriously though did it explain how Jamie and Bronn were under siege and then ended up in a completely different location? Did I miss something or has the show gotten that bad.

I don't care about characters moving around but correct me if I'm wrong: Has the show ever had a time skip or indicated that time had moved quickly? Because through a lot of the show it has seemed the pace has been quick, especially in Kings Landing scheming.

>>87136035

What was the point of Danaerys's fleet being burned if they travel just as fast on land?

>>87136637
I say quick as in not more than a couple of days pass every episode. The switching between boring characters or brothel scenes has been my biggest issue from series 1 onward when it began following more than a handful of characters in a few different locations. It completely fucks with pacing.

>>87134697
This show has gotten so bloody lazy. A far cry from the first few seasons. Sad!

>>87134697
yea i was confused AF for this scene too

I couldnt tell if they were in high garden or casterly rock

so apparently they are at KL (????)

>>87134697
Everyone was confused where they were, it's ok.

>>87135354
What gta map is that?

>>87136637
They were at Kings landing. Cersei mentions the army is standing at the front gates later in the episode.

>>87134697
Besides the fact that how long did it take them to get there, how about logistics? Feeding entire fucking army of barbarian horseman and cockless army, just how much did it costs them, they also brought no camps or siege vehicles, they just stood there like bunch of bellends

>>87136872
>>87135125
They were in KL

Where is everyone getting this idea that Jaime and Bronn were under siege at Highgarden? Just two episodes ago their army was attacked by the Dothraki and Daenerys near KL when they were escorting the gold, then last episode Jaime was back in KL

>>87137259
The way the show is edited makes it seem like it takes place away from KL
It confused me too

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>>87135354

>7 Kingdoms
>9 Areas

>>87136712
Because they would have almost detailing got spotted and attacked. Look at the map

E3 - Unsullied capture an abandoned Casterly Rock while the Lannisters overwhelm and capture Highgarden

E4 - Lannister army returns the King's Landing with the gold, the tail end of the baggage train is destroyed by the Dothraki and Dany w/ Drogon

E5 - Jaime and Bronn are back in King's Landing

E6 - Nothing happens, episode is North of the Wall

E7 - Unsullied and Dothraki are outisde King's Landing, Jaime, Bronn and the Lannisters look from the city

where else would they be other than King's Landing

>>87137259
>>87137494

idk, in my mind the unsullied were still at casterly rock, I thought they were fighting euron's forces and lannister forces? or was that a flashback or "it could have happened this way" scene

and the ramparts looked high up like at highgarden

>>87137546
Euron's forces attacked their Navy and then left.

>>87135119
The show is not in real time

>>87136598
>it worked
But it didn't. Even my normie casual girlfriend noticed and complained

>>87137163
Looks like a risk map.

>>87137546
Euron's fleet was at KL that episode so he must've destroyed their fleet then left, and there were no (or little) Lannisters at Casterly Rock, the Unsullied aren't shown after that so they could have marched back to KL

Yeah the ramparts look like Highgarden but we also see the Red Keep in one shot

>>87135186
>How is Sam still fat?
>THERE'S DRAGONS, UHH, HELLO
>How the fuck are people traveling around the entire continent so fast?
>LISTEN, THERE'S UH, MAYBE YOU DON'T KNOW, THERE'S DRAGONS IN THIS SHOW?!?!! BACK THE FUCK OFF?!!?!!

Just forget about it lmao

>>87135119
>how did the Unsullied get from Cast Rock to King's Landing so quickly?
They stormed Casterly Rock 4 episodes, and because their ships were destroyed and Jaime had taken everything from Casterly Rock, they had to start marching to meet up with Dany. They even mention that in the episode when talking about the threat of the Lannisters attacking them somewhere along the road. But because Dany burned the fuck out of the Lannister army the next episode, that didn't happen and they were safe.

They've been marching for the past four episodes, you just didn't realize it because it wasn't shown. Of all the stupid travel/timeline things that have gone on this season, the Unsullied being able to get to King's Landing is probably the only one that's totally believable.

>>87137592
>>87137750

why didnt euron recapture casterly rock for cersei? surely that would have been a big prize and he had the numbers

>>87137812
could he have though? The Unsullied only got into the city because Tyrion knew a secret passageway that allowed them to open the gates, how would Euron get his fleet into the city without disembarking and besieging it

>>87137812
Euron couldn't siege the city.
They knew the unsullied were gonna leave eventually anyway.

So why would he do that?

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Where does Cersei's seat of power come from? All the major houses have abandoned her and Westerlands forces have been wrecked back and forth so many times now

Why does Dany just not torch the Red Keep already and end the war so they can save the realm from the white walkers? Civilians don't hang out in the Red Keep anyways. Just Cersei and her servants.

Why did Dany and Tyrion suddenly turn into 21th century pacifists when previous seasons established them as revenge-driven?

Where did the Dornish army go? Where did the Highgarden's massive army of 100k go? Where did the Riverlands go? Where did the Stormlands go? Remember how much emphasis S1-S2 placed on these locations as vital kingdoms? Guess not.

Daenerys has 10k Unsullied, countless times more Dothraki, Highgarden, Dorne behind her. That alone makes her combined with Jon so powerful they don't even need Cersei's useless and defeated westerlands armies. Why do they keep licking her ass for support when her contribution can only be minimal at best?

What was the point of Cersei accepting negotations in KL when she had beforehand already told Euron to get the Golden Company? Was she just bored?

What prevented Bran from seeing Rhaegar's marriage to Lyanna before? What prevents Bran from seeing everything at once? His powers seem near endless compared to the books who limit him to weirwood flashbacks.

When did Sam learn about Rhaegar and Lyanna? He obviously didn't listen when Gilly said it first.

Why does nobody remember little Rickon or Robb or Cat? Is House Frey gone just like that?

>>87135354
Dorne too big on that map

>>87138262
https://i.allthepics.net/2017/08/26/TheKnownWorldsa4c6c.jpg

About what it looks like on the official GRRM-drawn maps.

>>87137546
>>87137750
Yeah but they made a big deal about how they emptied the food storage at Casterly Rock before they left, it made it sound like the Unsullied were going to be besieged without supplies and starved out/outnumbered.

>>87138409
One might wonder how they managed to deliver that much food from Casterly Rock to Highgarden when Jaime's maneuver relied entirely on stealth and speed.

>>87138409
>Oldtown bordering Dorne

Uhmm no sweety

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>>87138309
>Carcosa

>>87134697
They abandoned positions due to no food or water as Jaime predicted and marched back.
Dany's navy is completely wiped out remember as seen in the last episode just 4 ships left after losing it all in Dorne and Casterly Rock.

So while everything was happening over the past few weeks/months in the show, they trudged the long journey back.

>>87137494
ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED? That's casterly rock.

>>87134963
It's not kings landing you dumb fuck

>>87136712
They didn't. It took them a few episodes at least. Did you not notice they weren't there?

What was the whole point of them being there to begin with?

Cersei still could've slain all of the meme party

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>>87138091
1. Lannisters have everyone but the North as either allies or subjugated protectorates. Dorne,Reach and Iron Islands submitted to her

2. Because thats the throne room. Probably also not a good idea to destroy KL's biggest landmark.

3.Yeah this makes no sense. I think Tyrion has realised how treasonous he is and doesn't want to cause as much death to his homeland and Dany is being influenced heavily by Jon sorry...Aegon Targaryen.

4.Dornish are likely infighting. Highgarden doesn't have a 100k army. Thats the Reaches total force made up of different armies. As we know Tarly's back Lannisters and the Tarlys make up around 30k of that number

5.Daenarys lost Dorne and Highgarden extremely quickly along with the Iron Islands under Yara. She's also lost her entire navy. Unsullied are a meme its just TV show bullshit. Swords>Spears in close combat.

6. To fool the other aprties into believing her and as she said to Jaime. Let the WW fight the Targs and North and whatever is left she will crush. Euron made everyone believe that he had abandoned Cersei meaning KL is no longer protected by Euron's huge fleet. Do you not know deception in warfare?

7. This is a good question. I am just assuming because it was secret and not public knowledge. He wasn't aware. It's also something he probably never gave much thought to.

8. The book that Gilly mentioned. He likely read it on the journey to Winterfell as it was a very long trip (Think 3 weeks or more) to go from Oldtown to Winterfell

9. House Frey is dead and the Lannisters sent troops to quell any rebellion in their territory as we saw in the season.

>>87137795
eyy a good response. i got a question for you. why would they just abandon casterly rock? it seems like all the unsullied are at kings landing

>>87134881
You're whats wrong with television, and /tv/.

>They're talking! Where is the action and special effects?!?!?!

Full retard.

>>87138091
errrr... there are Dragons in the show and you want to nitpick over this stuff? Fuck off.

>>87138885
Not him but my issue with that scene was how mundane and ordinarily it was shot and acted. It was like they are having a walk in the park talking. It came off so corny. No tension. No clever lines. Just exposition after exposition as they walk a straight line into the dragonpit. Reminds of the dialogue in Star Wars prequels.

>>87135125
Where are their siege engines? Where's the baggage train?

Why are they in shooting rqnge from the walls and nobody is shooting at them?

>>87139074
It wasn't a siege, you neanderthal.

>>87138879
>why would they just abandon casterly rock?
Jaime took all the food and there was literally nothing there. It had not strategic value at that point and they would have starved trying to stay. IIRC, they explain it pretty in-depth during the episode.

>>87139127
So what are they doing there?

>>87139223
Metaphoric dick waving.

jus turn ur brain off! :^)

>>87138985
Dragons are part of the series internal logic. The inclusion of dragons does not justify the breaking of internal logic of the universe.

>>87138999
I thought it felt extremely forced. You can tell DnD were thinking
>oh shit we blew all this season on special effects and action instead of actual character development and good writing! We should spend the first 20 minutes of the past episode being a big pow wow with old friends and characters

>>87139223
Did you miss the scene where Tyrion explains to Dany that before going to the meeting they should show as much force as possible to keep Cersei from trying to harm them?

Jesus, this series has a shitload of problems, but most of the things I see people complain about here are the result of them obviously not paying attention.

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Isn't cute when these hacks try to replicate GRRM's political fantasy writing and always ending up looking like huge retards?

>>87139256
>ignores the other post that replied to every point.

>>87139338
Their Civil War one is going to be awful.

>>87139360
I was fine with that post. There are some points I disagree with (Dorne never joined Cersei) but fuck anyone defending shit writing with "b-but dragons":

That scene was fucking strange in general. Where were they? What happened there? Obviously Jaimy and Bronn came out fine but what the hell even happened?

>>87134697
ill bite at this bait, it wasn't 'fast' they marched over land and its been a few weeks at least since we last saw them.

The more important question is, where did they get the food they needed to march that far and why didn't the Queens army at Highgarden not fuck with them?

>>87135119
>Doesn't it take months to get from Winterfell to King's Landing?
No, where would you get that idea? If it took months, Cercei would never have gone there when Bobby B went to offer Ned Stark to be HotK.

>>87139499
This. That part of the world is full of bandits, raiders, brigand warbands and rogue knight cossacks after the War of the Five Kings.

>>87139338
>when these hacks try to replicate GRRM's political fantasy writing
They signed on to adapt a book series, not come up with the story themselves. GRRM has fucked them over by not doing his job and writing the books.

>>87139499
>The more important question is, where did they get the food they needed to march that far
I'm sure it's going to be waved away with a sentence in the next episode like, "some ships carrying food were able to make it ashore and drop off supplies before being destroyed"
>and why didn't the Queens army at Highgarden not fuck with them?
We just don't know, strategery I'm sure

>>87139509
I remember cercei mentioning when they arrive that they were on the road for weeks/months i cant remember which she said though....

>>87139074
Because it's a stupid fucking TV show for normie faggots

>>87139667
They travelled slowly because they went with a little army and large wagons, it probably took 2 or 3 weeks.

>>87139499
>why didn't the Queens army at Highgarden not fuck with them?
Why would they fuck with them? Highgarden is pretty far away from King's Landing and Jaime had to get Olenna's gold to King's Landing. Then the army was attacked by dragons.

>>87134742
>Bron and Jaime are there
>next scene they're at KL with Cersei

yea nah, this show went to complete shit this season

>>87138460
Everyone grab each other's hands for the instant transmission
>>87138473
What does that mean

>>87134697
fast travel

>>87139641
If they actually adapted the books instead of cutting almost every interesting plotline and adding their own awful OC they could have made books 4 and 5 into 3-4 more seasons instead of the godawful single season we got.
They rushed the shit out of it because normies don't want subtle character development and worldbuilding, instead just happy jerking it off to ebin fanservice and action setpieces.

>>87135125
and how are a bunch of savages gonna breach that 100 feet wall without siege weaponry ?

Are they worried about white walkers in Essos? Or is the Nights King just going after Westeros and then moving east? I know they have stories about the long night in Essos

>we're so quick to nitpick that we are completely ignoring things told to us
This is retarded, even for this shithole.

>>87135186
So he's just admitting that he doesn't care? His excuse for why plotholes keep happening is that there are dragons?

>>87137332
Dorne isn't a kingdom and Iron Islands/Riverlands were the same kingdom before Aegon.

>>87135119
>>87134963
A better question is how the fuck did the unsullied get from Dragonstone to Casterly Rock BY BOAT if they had to sail around the whole fucking continent to do so and the trip would take atleast 5 times as long as their trip from Essos to Westeros?

>>87138772
>Dorne submitted to her
"no"

>>87138772
>Swords>Spears in close combat.
"no"
also the unsullied are trained in sword, shield and spears of 3 sizes.

>>87139223
It's just a show of force.

>>87140103
>Dorne isn't a kingdom

Wrong.

1. North, ruled by Starks
2. Riverlands, ruled by Tullys
3. The Vale, ruled by Arryns
4. The Westerlands, ruled by Lannisters
5. The Reach, ruled by Tyrells
6. The Stormlands, ruled by Baratheons
7. Dorne, ruled by Martells

inb4 books. This is the show. These are the 7 kingdoms as intended.

>>87135258
More importantly why the fuck did Dany show up with 2 dragons? She might as well have been carrying a sign saying "I lost one!".

>>87137332
The Crownlands (dull red, bottom right) aren't a kingdom, and the Riverlands/Iron Islands (blue/purple) belonged to the same kingdom until the Targaryens showed up.

>>87140615
*Crownlands (yellow)
My bad

>>87140566
Except those aren't kingdoms. There's only one king.

>>87140103
Dorne is a kingdom. Dorne was the only kingdom that was secured through marriage and not conquest (hence the motto: "Unbowed, unbent, unbroken"). The Crownlands were not a separate kingdom.

>>87140566
What about the Stone Islands, ruled by Greyjoy?
The name "Seven Kingdoms" comes from when they were actually Kingdoms ruled by a King, before Aegon's conquest. The 7 Kingdoms are the North, the Stormlands, the Vale, the Riverlands (including the Stone Islands), the Westerlands, the Reach, and Dorne, both in the books and in the show.

>>87140798
>before Aegon's conquest

Jon Snow? What are you talking about?

>>87140892
Aegon the Conqueror and his sister/wives, of course.

>>87140798
>both in the books and in the show.

In the show? proof?

>>87139308

I'd have them killed if their "show of force" was such a poorly equipped and prepared army. I'm sure those bent swords, horses and spears are very handy in a siege, and so is the lack of baggage train, siege engines and ladders.

>>87140939
proof that they are not? If it hasn't been stated otherwise, things in the show follow the book's canon.

>>87140979

Oh, so it just happens "off camera". Canon for the TV series is literally what you see on the series itself.

>>87138885
No, you are what's wrong with television and /tv/. A lack of action on screen does not excuse flat direction. This scene has no fighting, swearing, or fucking, and it's one of the greatest scenes in the show because of its cinematography and atmosphere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Isq9hl7Tz8

>>87138686
You might be the stupidest nigger on the Internet. The dragonpit is in KL. It's.fucking.Kings.Landing.

Kill yourself

>>87140146
Because all the actors and writers want it to be over

>>87134963
this map made me realize how retarded it was for daenarys to take all three dragons north of the wall to dragonstone, for the exact same result. losing a dragon and giving them a way to cross the wall.

rather than taking those same 3 dragons right across the blackwater with the whole dornish, highgarden, and unsullied army, and burning cersei to a crisp. rendering the loss of a dragon and the whitewalker crossing the wall needless.

there was no reason to convince cersei of shit.
The moment she landed should have been right on KL and slaughtered every Lannister.

then she would bring fire and blood to the Whitewalkers, but maybe not parley with Jon, and we also could avoid the shoehrned boatcest.

>>87138879
Why would they hold an empty fort that guards nothing and has nothing in it?

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>>87141101
Damn this show used to be so good

>>87140945
You know when your enemy has literal superweapons and you know there's no way to win a fight, atleast before your Golden Company arrives, you probably don't want to annoy your enemy
>Attack the Unsullied
>Oh shit there's dragons now, the walls are gone, along with a large part of my army
>inb4 they said Dany wouldn't attack KL
The streets in particular so she wouldn't kill everyone, but she could easily just melt the walls.

>>87134994
frankly these last to seasons proved definitively why women shouldn't rule.
cersei
>my incest is justified and I should rule after blowing up innocents
olenna
>don't listen to men, gets rekt by manly army not wearing flowers
daneyrys
>had 3 dragons an fucked that up and is down to 2 while the worst enemy has 100% more dragon and crossed the wall, something we arent sure they would have been able to do without a dragon.

Yara
>im good as any man, but I got rekt by a man on bezerker rage.

Sand sluts
>men are pathetic, gets rekt by real men and not prissy little wops of Dorne they had to backstab and murder with a little girl, gets rekt

for fucks sake Bobby held a kingdom together whoring and drinking himself to death

>>87141101
>Deer and direwolf getting each other killed
>Like Robert and Ned in KL
BRAVO

Really though S1-4 didn't have many battles, yet they were infinitely better

>>87138772
How are spears better than swords?
>W-well if they get really close
You know that's the whole point of a spear, that they don't get so close? It's still close quarters if you're like 2 meters away.
Or did you mean to say "Swords are better than spears when you're fighting inches from eachother"? That's kinda obvious, isn't it

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>>87141007
>Oh, so it just happens "off camera".
It doesn't "happen" you mong, it's the lore the series is set in. So according to you the Targaryen have never ruled the Seven Kingdoms because the show has not shown them ruling, the Wall is a natural thing because the show doesn't show it being constructed, Danny's dragons are the first dragons to ever live, etc?

>>87141432
Fucking kek

>>87139915
Wights can't swim, so they just Netflix and chill, just like Euron recommended.

>>87138262
Riverlands too

>>87139915
Locations don't exist in the show if a character isn't currently there. See Stormlands, Dorne, Riverlands, Reach etc

>>87139873
>>87139641
I agree with both. They just wanted to make a good series out of the book, which according to s1-4 worked extraordinarily well. When they took over themselves they did one season of nothing (5) and when they realized GRRM won't finish the books they wrote their own fanfiction tier story.

By now it's obvious no one working on the show still wants to do it. They all just want to finish it and go home.

>>87141584
This is a historical fact that has been known since the invention of swords. With a spear you get one stab, if you miss or your opponent evades it you're done for. They're decent against horses though, and they're a lot cheaper than swords.

>>87141954
spears, lances and pikes dominated the medieval battlefields. Swords were only used marginally after the fall of Rome.

>>87141877
If I was an autistic indoor-boy I would track down and murder grrm myself.

Fat, useless, fuck.

>>87141101
where did the direwolf come from?

>>87136252
It took arya and the hound a whole season to get from The Twins to The Eyrie, and they had a horsey to ride.

>>87139074
Because theyre just chilling there and not attacking? Did you even watch the episode you subhuman retard?

>>87142191
Probably just wild, the North is huge and mostly empty there are probably still a few living out there.

>>87142191
From North of the Wall, probably. Maybe sent by the Three Eyed Raven so the starks would start warging into them, maybe came running from the dead.

>>87142200
They also avoided roads

>>87142114
Because they where cheap to make, so you could just give every farmer a spear and he was a soldier. Rome had an actual government, with actual trained professional armies with dedicated supply lines, manufacturing etc. Swords are expensive and difficult to mske. Medieval kingdoms just put farmers with likes against their neighbour kingdom's farmers. In medieval times only elite units and rich people had swords.

>>87142345
in medieval times elite units and rich people were mounted in horses with very large spears

>>87141216
What's retarded for not wanting to set fire to her new capital which has 1 million civilians living in it?

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>Yes, I will probably win if I charge at them with my sword.

>>87142438
You only need to torch the Red Keep.

>>87142550
>You only need to torch the keep that your ancestor's made, were they ruled for centuries and that is the symbol of the power of your house

>>87142534
The Romans came up with the shell formation to counter this which worked. Also it only worked with highly disciplined units not seen after the Roman empire.

>>87142670
You don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about.

>>87142550
Good thing fire is well behaved and the red keep isn't in the middle of a densely populated city.

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>>87142670
>The Romans came up with the shell formation to counter tactics developed circa 1500-1600

>>87142713
The pike phalanx was only really successful under Alexander the great, with similar but shorter spear formations established in older Greece. But the Romans countered this with their turtle formation, and after Alexander pikes or spears never really returned as top class units, save for shock cavalry.

The Romans figured you could beat anyone with a well trained heavy infantry army using a combination of light swords, good shields and body armour. Also discipline played a huge role leading them to win every battle ON AN OPEN FIELD even against the Gauls who's cavalry seriously outclassed the Romans. They only got into trouble when they spread thin into the German swamps.

>>87142870
>The pike phalanx was only really successful under Alexander the great
Stopped reading. You don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about.

>>87142895
Give an example of a post-roman army relying on pikes to defeat a professional army

>>87142937
Scottish.

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>>87142937
Scottish Schiltrom. Next.

Some guy posted Tercios earlier you fucking idiot.

>>87142937
Swiss pikemen

>>87142937

Landsknechts

>>87142937
Go and google Pike And Shot.

>>87142996
Never bring a gun to a pike fight

>>87142937
Swiss pikes, german landsknecth, I guess it's a bit of a stretch since it includes guns but spanish tercio

>>87143269
I wonder what is the dog doing there tBh

>>87141617
>So according to you the Targaryen have never ruled the Seven Kingdoms because the show has not shown them ruling
No, because it references it in the show.

> Danny's dragons are the first dragons to ever live
No, they talk about that in the show. The skulls, remember?

But the kingdoms are not the same seven kingdoms as in the books because of?

>>87143922
>>87143840

>>87143922

Because that's the way it's received to someone who would only watch the show.

>>87144326
When you watched Saving Pirate Ryan did you wonder what the hell was all the fighting about?
I'm sure Aegon's conquest has been mentioned in the show.

>>87144468
>I'm sure Aegon's conquest has been mentioned in the show.

Sure, he landed on Dragonstone and he conquered the 7 kingdoms.

>>87144507
he conquered these>>87141617 kingdoms except Dorne, yes.

>>87134697
Thats some shitty masonry right there

>>87142870
They didn't counter a phalanx with a "turtle" formation, a turtle formation is literally a phalanx in itself, I don't why you think you can counter formations by doing the exact same thing as the enemy and hoping for the best.

Romans actually used a different system to flank these sort of formations and cause them to break up.

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>>87142937
>>87142870

CASUAAAAALS!
FORM RANKS! HEDGEHOG FORMATION!

>>87142550
>>87142625

or the walls to the city. or at the very fucking least consider that cersei used fucking wildfire on the central holy place and is still an acting usurper openly incestuous dishonored queen, who was held on trial for killing the last good king.

who gives a shit if dany torches a few soldiers, dragons haven't killed as many people or cause that city to suffer anywere near as much as cerseis cunt

>>87142670
testudo is not for a pike line dumbass. its for bolts and arrows. they would open their ranks for pikes or throw javelins

>>87143269
little kid with the drum look like he played a wicked solo

>>87145552
If she were to burn the walls or the keep, the fire would probably extend to the city and the people would hate her, and she would only be queen of the ashes.

>>87142937
fuckin rekt

also a bayonet charge is a improvised pike formation.

the long spear has never been off the battlefield

>>87144808

Until it says so in the show it doesnt matter, nerd.

>>87145902
It is obvious that you are wrong, though.

>>87145725
and the people would hate her.


so what they are weak, and cheer for anything and she'd have 7 kingdoms right away.

>implying they'll resist dragons anyway.
>implying tywin didnt rek kings landing and rule
>implying dragons wont solve any people problem she has yet o face

>thinking 50,000 would die in battles anyway
>now many more because to appeal to ceresi a fucking undea wizard has a goddamn dragon and destroyed the wall, but at least the shitheads in kingslanding are happy

>>87146068
yes BUT she wants to be loved

>>87145978

No, it's not. Not to the millions of people who only watch the show. The canon is what's shown or transpired in the show, idiot.

>>87146145
she has 7 kingdoms, she can burn 1 crooked city to the ground if she has to, but by not doing that she lost 3 allies, a dragon, a priest who can bring a man back to life. All for 1 whitewalker and jon snowcock just for cersei to backstab them anyway.

Honestly im rooting for Euron, who has been handing out democratically elected whoopass all season, and has his fuckong head on straight in JUSTING the feminists.

The night king is passively winning due to human stupidity.

further this entire state of affairs occurred because cersei is fucking her brother, and is bascally living from impulse to impulse.

>>87134697
they flew on ravens capable of mach 6

>>87146561
when you think about it the deadliest two forces in westeros is the white walkers and cersei's poosy.

>>87134697
they literally took the road to KL. I don't see where is the issue here tBh. Remember that by the time they reached the Rock the Lannister army was already at Highgarden.

>>87146560
If she burns a city she might lose more allys. And I think popular support will be important one way or another.
I can't like Euron after having read the books tBh, he is a fucking pussy compared with Books Euron.

>>87146740
>lose more allys.

like who? she lost all her westerosi allies except snowcock

>>87146785
She might lose Snowcock (she might lose them anyways if Sansa and the northerners don't accept the Targs, she might have the lannister army she just captured turn against her, she might not have a chance to convince the Vale or the remaining Dornish army to fight for her.

>>87146949
when the northers are informed that snowcock is really ser targcock they will all be on their knees sucking targ cock before the end of the episode.

>>87147116
Or maybe they'll say that Sansa / Bran is the legitimate lady/lord of Winterfell.

>>87146949
>so she might lose sansa who'll commit treason on jon, but will be rekt by whitwalkers regardless because she just gave them a dragon.

>the same dragons that conquered all the slave cities and recruited the 100,000 savage rapists she brought

>>87140922
(you)

>>87142937
you got BTFO faggot