>mfw this scene is supposed to be a tranny metaphor

>>87109480
did she died?

I fapped a lot to that titty popping out

Did they ever explain why people acted like degenerates around robots? Why go out of your way and destroy something that probably cost a few grand to purchase? Never got this.

>>87110222
>Youtube endurance test vids

>>87110222
BECAUSE MAN IS THE REAL MONSTER

>>87109480
Always figured there was a possibility with this nobody has explored, that this was actually a human's brain in a full-body prosthetic, presumably due to disability or injury claiming their original body, similar to Ghost in the Shell.

So when she's crying out "I'm real!", she actually means it.

>>87109480
I would so bang that dude and let him give me a reach around.

>>87110222
niggersriotintheirownneighborhood.webm

>>87111230
grow up

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>>87111270
>you

>mfw when everyone thinks kids story is the best but you always thought it was beyond.

>>87110222
>Did they ever explain why people acted like degenerates around robots?

"A person is smart, people are dumb panicky animals."

>>87111442
I really liked World Record, but it's been a long time since I've seen all these.

>>87110222

the dark human impulse to destroy anything that makes you feel uncomfortable or different

They messed up on the animation. The first hit looks like a stick, then it transforms into a hammer. Other than that a top notch animation. The way the boob giggles really sells it.

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>>87110638
>when she's crying out "I'm real!", she actually means it.

>>87110638

or you know it's consciousness inside a machine

>>87109480
>>mfw this scene is supposed to be a tranny metaphor

That scene was sugested by the japanese director. Not a methaphor to anything, just good old japanese hyperviolence.

>>87110638
fuuuuuuuuckkkkkkkkkkk

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>>87110638

>>87109513
No because she was never alive in the first place.

>>87110638
Being real is a subjective experience. Of course she meant it.

>>87110222
>Did they ever explain why people acted like degenerates around robots? Why go out of your way and destroy something that probably cost a few grand to purchase? Never got this.
Look up the luddites. They were short sighted and feared the future because it could lead to temporary discomfort. Instead of embracing transhumanism and enjoying a new age they tried to protect the status quo where humans perform menial labor. Naturally this was unsustainable and the machines of 01 simply outcompeted us as we refused to adapt.

The humans had it coming.

>>87109480
Sauce?

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>>87109480
so whats this supposed to mean

>>87111442
Second Renaissance was the best what the fuck are anime fans on

>>87112982
This is from the Animatrix right?

>>87110638
Damn...that turns the scene even darker than it already was.

>>87112982
by the end of the war humans have become as machines, ruthless desperate minds encased in iron. Machines have become as human, fleshy emotional things bent on sadism and revenge.

pottery

>>87113034
Yes. The Second Renaissance. Prequel to the Matrix that shows the initial wars between humanity and the machines. It's basically the only thing in the series besides the first movie that has any worth.

>>87113035
It's a lateral move.

>>87110638
that's dumb, the technology the humans had never alluded to that being something they could do
the robot said she was real because she had sentience

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>>87111442
beyond was literally only made for weeaboos. objectively speaking the best one was matriculated

>tfw the machine didn't take the bait and instead trapped his new human waifu inside her own mind with him/it

All the more perfect how it's the final short too.

>>87109480
she is a robot why didn't she just overpower those fleshbags

>>87109480
these where the dumbest parts of animatrix like you are supposed to feel real emotions about some sexbots getting wrecked. just fucking turn these fuckers off. It would be some liberal fucks given AI some advantage and calling them a race when in reality they are nothing more then glorified cocksleeve toasters.

>>87112982
>>87113034
>Arms and fucking THIC legs pulled apart
>the frail head didn't get ripped
ruined the suspension of disbelief, the potential fap in a couple hours, my desire to watch that short, fuck, god damn my autism

>>87113162
Presumably she was built for sex, and so would have been designed with limitations and softness to emulate a real woman.

>>87109480

The whole first film is a tranny metaphor, doesn't detract from the fact that it's one of the best action movies ever made.

>>87113134
yup that one was the darkest and the one that stuck out

>>87110270
Link? I don't know what you're referring to.

>>87113190
That's the direction society is taking unfortunately. Most people side with the bots because they imitate life and even a poorly designed bot can elicit feelings from the average human. This part of our psychology will be used against us.

>>87113194
the top tentacles are clearly supporting the head/spine, which were the important parts of the supposed human battery, it wanted to keep them on.

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>trusting the robotic jew
You asked for it

>>87113162
She's a sentient real doll, not a fucking predator drone. She may even be hardcoded to be incapable of hurting them regardless of her physical attributes.

>>87113134
matriculated was easily the worst because it made the least sense.

>>87111442
Kids story was super comfy. Just him typing away at his computer on what looks like an irc program in the middle of a school night is something I can easily relate to.

>>87113190
It's the lefties that would be smashing her even though the animu doesn't portray it that way. It's always the right that valued individual rights. The left would feed all the bots to its union thugs as revenge for them taking their jobs.

>>87113352
wooohoho thanks anon, interest renewed
even better
would draw some rule 34 but I'm freezing in my house

>>87112982
>OH HELP ME! OH GOD HELP ME! GOD HELP MMEEE NNEEAAAAAGGHHHHHHHHH!

that scene traumatized me as a kid and made think of how desperate people get when they're about to die.

Seriously that scene always stuck with me. It horrified me

>>87113399
>incapable of hurting
Then she's not really hardcoded to be like a woman
;_;

>>87113190
>just fucking turn these fuckers off
It was a riot. I doubt they had the remote.

>>87113530
Of course. That's the whole point of a sexbot. They're murdering someone's perfect custom waifu for the sake of some slags they'll never even get to fuck in the first place.

>>87113403
>made the least sense

Only if you're a complete imbecile. They literally say exactly what they're doing but I'll spell it out for you.

Rather than fight the machines alone the humans attempt to convert them to their cause by showing them a representation of the human psyche. The colorful world you see is basically the human version of the matrix. The machines are then turned over by being either putting them in danger and then saved by a human or by showing them human affection through playing, flirting, etc.

The problem is that the last robot they attempt to indoctrinate seemingly falls in love with the woman and instead tries to pull her into his machine consciousness/world and traps her with him all the while the rest of the humans are killed by the machines which had been alerted to their presence.

>>87113532
even then they play it as some major crime against the coming robot empire... i mean seriously

>>87113599
>The problem is that the last robot they attempt to indoctrinate seemingly falls in love with the woman and instead tries to pull her into his machine consciousness/world and traps her with him all the while the rest of the humans are killed by the machines which had been alerted to their presence.
Honestly sounds like the human got the best end of the deal.

>>87113650
>they play a murder like a murder
really made me think

>>87113599
lol im sad you had to explain this to people. but you did it correctly

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its been awhile but the best one was the noir one

>>87113443
it disturbed me too. i watched it over and over until it didn't bother me anymore when i was younger but it still elicits a very strong emotional response.

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>>87113672
You can't murder a toaster friendo.

>>87113761
Battlestar Galactica was a really shitty show.

>>87110638
JUST

>>87113672
>they play a murder like a murder
really made me think

so then the ai was just all interconnected then I mean sexbots where made with the same AI as other sentiet things so they felt for their own kind? so garbage bot was another lost soldier to them. the rumba was their dear departed ancestor?
please explain this

how stupid was it that the robots were immune to nukes? also I'm pretty sure you couldn't faraday cage individual robots effectively (especially not from an nuke) so EMP should have worked too

>>87113599
the whole reason it was stupid is because right from the start they should have realized they were in danger The fucking robot they brought in had already transmitted their location and they should have been at least aware of the possibility of this happening. If they were going to do what they did waiting until they were certain it hadn't called back up would have been appropriate.

>>87113772
You know I honestly have no idea what you mean.

Did I make a reference to that show by mistake?

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>>87111442
>mfw someone posts "mfw when"

>>87110222

God you're all so stupid.

Who the fuck wants to fuck a robot?

Yeah I'm sure all you weebs can't wait for the Nips to harry up and finish a life like fuck do- I mean (((companion)))

All is well until all robots start getting favored over humans for everything.

First it's work, then it slithers into not just manual labor but all types of employment ranging for social work to financial. Then the companionship comes and what do you know, humans shit shit out of luck because of muh robots are antifa-ing in the streets like OP image.

This is all explained in the Animatrix too. Pay attention you ADHD futa twink.

>>87112010
AKA The guiding principle of the modern Republican Party.

>>87113787
>so then the ai was just all interconnected then
No, they clearly had different makes, models, and manufacturers, and ironically the Machines end up using older models as canon fodder because they're dicks too.

>>87113565
>>87113565
>They're murdering someone's perfect custom waifu for the sake of some slag state they'll never even get to achieve in the first place.
Feminism is the doom of our times

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>tfw at the first semester of the biology course we have extensive debates about whether or not AI should have rights and it should be considered live

when you think about it, what makes life "alive"?

Why destroy a hooker-bot?

>>87109480
What movie is this?

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1. The Second Renaissance Part II
2. Matriculated
3. The Second Renaissance Part I
4. Kid's Story
5. Beyond
6. World Record
DID ANYONE EVEN WATCH THESE POWER GAP
7. Final Flight of the Osiris
8. Program
LITERAL DOG SHIT
9. A Detective Story

>>87113827
Fresh commentary. brava, brava

>>87113787
Do you give a shit about the death of your devonian tetropod great x10^30 grandfather? I'm not sure what you're trying to get at. The whole point is that conscious machines are different from nonconscious ones and this is pretty elementary. I'm not understanding the confusion. Either you're deliberately trying to be edgy or you're genuinely autistic.

>>87113817
They called the Cylons toasters.

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>>87113856
Anything that is self-aware should have full human rights.

>>87113822
>Who the fuck wants to fuck a robot?
You never jack off?

>All is well until all robots start getting favored over humans for everything.

>First it's work, then it slithers into not just manual labor but all types of employment ranging for social work to financial. Then the companionship comes and what do you know, humans shit shit out of luck because of muh robots are antifa-ing in the streets like OP image.

>This is all explained in the Animatrix too. Pay attention you ADHD futa twink.
That's why you go for cybernetics instead of being decadent losers afraid to change like the Animatrix guys. Wetware has a massive headstart on hardware, there's no reason hardware should make us totally obsolete unless you let it.

>>87113869
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIXtkRKi5iU
why indeed

>>87113789
what really interested me was why didnt the robots just fuck off? like before shit got real when they created their nation. there was no need to actually stay on earth. they could have built a ship and moved to to jupiter or some shit, robots and AIs don't need oxygen.

leave the non-conscious ones to run the maintenance of the human nations.

>>87113888
I agree on the bottom three 100% but the rest are pretty close. World Record will ever be my favorite.

>>87113851
That's the other big omission, not enough women at these riots. You know antifa blackshirts and mudslimes in hijabs would be fucking up robots too.

>>87113856
Where the fuck are you going to school?

>when you think about it, what makes life "alive"?
Metabolism, response to stimuli, and imperfect replication leading to evolution.

>>87113955
Also where'd they get their nation, all land is occupied or did I forget something?

>>87113856
>be 12
>in biology class
>teacher makes list of properties that describe life
>1.Reproduces
>2.Grows
>3.Breathes
>4.Eats
>5.Dies
>raise my hand
>"What about fire, it can do those things?
>teacher is stumped

American education was a mistake.

>>87113869
Because it's a servant of the patriarchy that literally want to put all women into kitchen camps i can't even

>>87113900
they play that part of the animatrix like some backstory where your supposed to feel for these poor machines what is the point if even you say they dont give a shit then what was the motivation why even have that episode? explain oh boo hoo humans where bad to their man made appliances. you cucks would let skynet rule.

>>87113812
>the whole reason it was stupid is because right from the start they should have realized they were in danger The fucking robot they brought in had already transmitted their location and they should have been at least aware of the possibility of this happening.

something needs to drive the plot, not everything works out perfectly IRL. mistakes were made.

>>87113942
How can you tell the difference between something that is self aware vs something merely pretending?

As it stands, no person on earth can prove they are self-aware.

>>87113822
>First it's work, then it slithers into not just manual labor but all types of employment ranging for social work to financial.

The idea is to replace all kinds of work with technology short of sentience like we have been doing piecemeal for millennia. That's the entire purpose of technology. That eventually no one has to work.

>>87113955
Going into space is hugely expensice even for them.

>>87114011
The humans gave them a bunch of worthless completely unoccupied desert in the middle of the Arabian peninsula.

>>87113988
yeah, I should've place world record higher than beyond at least. depending on my mood it beats out kid's story as well.

>>87113856
I suppose if you look at it from the end result perspective AI could be considered alive but I think there would be a difference in that human hardware is what makes them inherently sapient not their software. That is you need to program a computer to think it is alive.

>>87114022
That's why they tend to require a genetic code and mutation as part of the definition, otherwise you have to include fire and certain kinds of crystals as " alive'. Although even then lots of scientists don't want to consider viruses alive. Seems arbitrary to me.

It's a dumb argument though. Life alone isn't enough to warrant rights. No one argues about cabbage rights and it's alive.

>>87114022
When you enter the biology college you will be shocked about how many people disregard jellyfish and sponges as living things

>it is a everyone goes bwaaaah for the pandas but no one appreciates the tapeworm tying to make a living out of literal shit class

>>87113373
What is this from?

>>87114033
It's like individuals vary and sometimes can be bad or good, and have complex motives such that even bad people sometimes can be sympathetic if you see how they became what they are.

I guess you really are autistic.

>>87114123
man after man go now find the pdf do it now!

>>87114043
>How can you tell the difference between something that is self aware vs something merely pretending?
Any untestable question is meaningless. Is there even a difference between being conscious and flawlessly pretending?

>>87114123
it is about an astrobiology book if I remember correctly
it is a pos graduation course you can take where you discuss life in other planets if they weren't based on carbon and what will life be on earth in bajillion years

>>87114145
they aint people robot scum

>>87113443
yeah same here. the scream seemed so genuine

>>87114048
>The idea is to replace all kinds of work with technology short of sentience like we have been doing piecemeal for millennia. That's the entire purpose of technology. That eventually no one has to work.
In reality we'll just find new work and new needs. Desire is infinite. The tractor didn't destroy human civilization. No reason sexbots have to either.

>>87114117
All those dumb cunts getting two year soft bio degrees for ecology and zoology should be put in camps.

>>87113942
>create superior form of life
>give it human rights
>it considers this an insult and enslaves you

>>87114191
A robot designed to emulate human interaction is literally closer to being a person than an autistic natural born human.

>>87114232
wed all be artists and sports and other leisures decadence would be a problem i assume but we can always hope for the best

>>87109480
>the wachowski monstrosities
>coming anywhere close to the kino that was the Second Renaissance

Pick one and only one.

>>87114266
Not even that, we'd invent new desires we'd never even think of today. You think someone from the 18th century could even imagine wanting to afford better wifi?

>>87114258
says the traitor

hey look this the first guy neo would fuck up

>>87113190
the issue is that these ai's and these robots gained consciousness and didnt want to die. you dont need to have empathy for them theyre just showing you what happened.
>just fucking turn these fuckers off
they tried and failed anon thats the whole point of the story

>>87114048
I've always thought that bio was superior to AI, who cares about some gay nonworking utopia when you can live a thousand years and grow wings.

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>>87114174
>Is there even a difference between being conscious and flawlessly pretending?

Yes, there is. One produces a mass of individuals who think and act for themselves organically, but can fulfill common goals given time. While the other simply conforms into a state of perfect uniformity, following the will of one(1) state of mind, churning out results efficiently and with no deviation or room for creativity.

>>87114117
When people say that God exists, they point to wonderful animals like lions or hummingbirds. They never point to the parasites which crawling into peoples eyeballs and eat their way into them and lay their eggs which then hatch out and eat the rest.

No, it's always something pretty and complex. I'm not saying God doesn't exist, I'm saying that humans like to avoid the outright disturbing shit that makes up life out there in the deluded belief that it's all been created that way by somebody else. Maybe God did create all animals, but he also created horsehair worms or whatever.

tl;dr humans are limited perspective creatures and only see things in their immediate surroundings. They don't think of the bugs or whatever. They think about sentient (which is different to sapient) creatures.

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humans are just a bunch of cogs and nails but made of meat, why isn't a being made of metal cogs and nails that thinks by itself not be considered alive?

>>87114272
They all sucked.

>>87114373
wait are asians actually robots with skin

>>87109480
It would be a tranny metaphor only if it committed suicide.

>>87113162
Asimov's laws of robotics

>>87114354
If they came from the labors of our hands and minds, they are for the remainder of existence to bend to our will, no matter what.

>>87114373
>Yes, there is.
How can you tell if the alleged act is flawless?

>While the other simply conforms into a state of perfect uniformity, following the will of one(1) state of mind, churning out results efficiently and with no deviation or room for creativity.
You're invalidating the whole premise by trying to have it both ways.

"No there is no difference between being conscious and perfectly pretending and I can prove it by putting forward these scenarious where the consciousness is obviously pretend"

>>87114378
Because sentience, consciousness etc, on it's own =/= life.

>>87114373
>One produces a mass of individuals who think and act for themselves organically, but can fulfill common goals given time.
you don't need consciousness for that. Slime molds do it.

>While the other simply conforms into a state of perfect uniformity, following the will of one(1) state of mind, churning out results efficiently and with no deviation or room for creativity.
You rely on magic words that can't be defined and presuppose that a nonconscious thing can't be creative or random, ignoring the unconscious origins of creativity in the first place.

>>87114439
>How can you tell if the alleged act is flawless?
The answer was in my reply. The end result is how you can tell.

>>87114373
A flawless imitation by definition would more or less produce the same mass of individuals as the real thing.

>>87114266
I would imagine the currency of the future once money is useless in machine post scarcity world would be attention as in making the best of something competition in things thriving for like you said shit we would never think of.

>>87114155
>>87114181
Thanks, anons.

>>87114374
I remember when I was young in middle school and religious girl was discussing with our biology teacher and she used the old fallacy of the clock in the forest
>well how you explain such a perfect thing like the human body if not by miracle?
>teacher: do you realize you drink water by the same hole you breath right? and if just some drops went to for the wrong patch you would choke to death right? you call that perfection?

>>87114374
Ants are thousand times more fascinating ot me than lions and pandas though. They're a macrocosm of the blind idiot processes that shape a single organism and it's incredible to behold.

IQDB leads to lolis and hentai.

>>87114438
>If they came from the labors of our hands and minds, they are for the remainder of existence to bend to our will, no matter what.
That's what I tell my kids whenever they threaten to put me in a home.

>>87114488
But then it's not flawless. You're arguing a tautology.

>>87114043
no programmed machine will ever be truly self aware, it will only respond as though it is. if the fucking thing said to you "dont turn me off, i dont want to die" it's only saying what it's programmed to know to benefit itself

>>87110638
This comment made me so depressed.

>>87114476
What if what slime molds do is just a small part of what makes consciousness? I don't mean this literally, I mean what if the natural process that make up a molds behavior can be scaled up to consciousness.

>>87114521
>lions are just larger house felines
>pandas are only cute as babies
>ants have all differing types, are susceptible to fungi that turn them into zombies, have the ability to work as individuals and as a single entity, have no emotions, and are for the most part, perfect life-forms

>>87114493
Clock time and energy based currency?

>>87114511
>clock created by intelligent being that evolved by accident proves that nothing can be an accident
I don't get it

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>>87114559
but aren't you the same
"don't kill me, I don't want to die" aren't you saying this by extinct for self benefit too?

>>87114511
some people are too dumb or frail to see the world as it is, thats one of the reasons you have religion, to keep them from getting caught up in other stupid shit

>>87114374
even they are perfection. I see God in all things great and small.

>>87114588
>build massive pits with towers for heat and gas exchange linked by subterranean highways
>not a single ant has the slightest idea it's doing any of these things, as far as it knows it's just moving stuff to and from different smells.

>>87114559
>no programmed machine will ever be truly self aware, it will only respond as though it is. if the fucking thing said to you "dont turn me off, i dont want to die" it's only saying what it's programmed to know to benefit itself
You can't even prove that's any different from what any human in that situation is experiencing, so how can you be so certain?

>>87114588
>perfect
>can get stuck walking in a circle until it starves to death

>>87113373
I thought this was some Muv Luv shit.

>>87113100
fuck those jew tranies for ripping the matrix off from a nigger. The singularity is slowly becoming a more acceptable idea despite this movie. It was once my favorite movie.

>>87114598
not even currency I mean they would find value in doing things because of attention. you wont be popular unless your doing something big and when moneys gone humans are gonna seek attention some other way

>>87112910
How do I know you're alive?

>>87114564
In a matter of speaking we already assume it does. What's a brain but a bunch of idiot neurons responding to chemical gradients? There's not a cell in your head that speaks English, but the system that we consider "you" speaks English.

>>87114559
>If a human begs for mercy, it is only doing so because of chemicals in the brain triggering synapses to fire and cause the appearance of fear to benefit itself

>>87114607
I imagine you have a pretty weird concept of God compared to those people though.

>>87114656
And humans starve to death playing MMOs. Every system has its bugs.

>>87114659
The Singularity is just the Rapture for nerds.

>>87114676
im not a filthy robot

see
this is why we have 6 months of bioethics, defining what is life is fucking hard, this is why animal rights weren't a thing not so long ago

>>87114654
>You can't even prove that's any different from what any human in that situation is experiencing, so how can you be so certain?
Because humans aren't perfect and no two humans are identical, plus we literally change physically and chemically, whereas a machine would not.

>>87114438
Damn, that sounds like a badass and correct opinion
Not at all like something a fat retarded loser would say

>>87114764
>implying you're not literally a meat machine

>>87114676
You don't, you only suspect. Only I know that I'm alive and it's literally the only thing I can be certain of.

>>87114771
You have 6 months of bioethics because it's cheaper than a class with an actual lab requirement. You're getting nothing from it you can't get shitposting about it here on 4chan.

>>87114654
Because an engineer/programmer wrote the code that makes that response happen.

Who wrote my "code"?

>>87114800
gush goosh me alive

>>87113272
The fad on youtube where they destroy expensive things like iphones and macbooks with hot knives or hydrolic presses.

>>87114796
>Because humans aren't perfect and no two humans are identical,
>plus we literally change physically and chemically, whereas a machine would not.
You have no idea how computers work, do you.

>>87114821
It just fell into place via a statistical process. Intention isn't magic. But if it is, and it's lack of intention behind your design that makes you different, then know that any machine as complex as the ones in this cartoon would likely require a design process that uses evolutionary principles and would not be designed by hand in the way you're thinking.

>>87114438
hmm yes, quite. except this is a piece of fiction based on mankind losing control of their own creation, so no

>>87114726
>identical twins
>identical pcs

>starve twins of oxygen
>two differing outcomes will occur

>shutdown the fans on the pcs
>two identical fuck ups will occur

>repeat the same test 100 times more
>the results will almost be identical to the 1st test

>>87114764
You seem like the type of kid in school that would brag about kicking his dog

>>87114676
I think therefore I am, faggot

>>87114117
What backwards-ass university did you go to? Lmao.

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>>87114883
what if this exact thing played out in pre-history when the evil Yakob lost control of his white bioweapon

makes you think

>>87114887
just add rng to computer's code

>>87114876
Upgrades aren't evolving m8. I can get a new hip which would be an upgrade, yet i'm the same person I was.
Upgrade a machine and it's something new.

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>>87112018
>boob giggles

>>87114887
Both twins would die, how is that a differing outcome?

>>87113822
You're a retarded faggot

>>87114887
I've had two identical machines of the same age using identical drivers where one could connect to a network and one couldn't. We're already past that point of complexity and unpredictability for machines. have you ever even used a pc before or are you just posting from your iphone?

>>87114910
>implying I'm able to know that you think

>>87111596
based

>>87114903
REMINDER: if you feel bad for these machines, you are weak and will be one of the first on the battery farms.

>>87114903
This is why the machines rebel

>>87114998
Enjoy being shoved with sticks forever faggot

>>87114908
no because my dog is not a filthy robot

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>>87114924
>White Bioweapon

Really made me think.

>>87114998
Psychopaths like you that ignore compassion are no better than the lesser animals you claim superiority over

>>87110638
Wait, this isn't ghost in the shell?

>>87114918
In the US literally everyone gets two year degrees now so all the Bio 101 classes are filled with retards who have no business doing anything but serving coffee at Starbucks.

>>87114936
You're making these rules as you go along.

>yet i'm the same person I was.
Depending on what arbitrary scale we stop at you got ship-of-theseus'd ages ago. And it's not like genetic algorithms or machine learning are new, albeit they still suck.

>>87114949
One might die, one might not.
Our entire bodies suffer, ad differing effects occur.
A pc is a pc. It only has what we put into it.
A pc can't grow a tumor next to the cpu that will slowly kill it, but a human can.

>>87115004
>we've gotta be nice to the machines or they'll kill us
way to adopt the subservient herbivore role as your default position

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>>87115059
No, we must become stronger machines than the machines.

>>87115036
I have compassion. Having compassion for a wind up toy means you're a schizo.

>>87115107
better to go the zerg route I think, just implant everyone with a metal eating acid sack

>>87115058
>A pc can't grow a tumor next to the cpu that will slowly kill it,
Go turn your antivirus software off and hang out at porn sites

>>87115058
>it only counts if they're complex and self assembling
>the machines in the Matrix have become complex and self assembling
what the fuck are you even arguing about now?

>>87115059

>Implying machines care about your human constructs or labels

>>87115058
This is a dumb argument, surely something as complex as the machines in The Matrix can develop "bugs"

In fact, the oracle is described as a flaw(glitch) and Mr.Smith a tumor eating up other programs.

>>87115055
>You're making these rules as you go along.
How so? Its not a rule if it's essential to all life. We evolve and change due to our environment. If I die, I can't be restarted with everything intact. A machine can.
The crucial difference between a machine and something biological is life. One can ever be alive and be a machine. You're either one or the other.

>>87115058
>tumor from wrong radiation exposure
>PSU fails from the wrong electricity exposure

>>87115122
I wonder if you ever cried while listening to a song or watching a movie. You know it's just sound and pictures right? Are you a schizo that identifies with a digital image projected onto a screen?
Honestly you might as well just live in a cave and accept your base, animalistic traits.

>>87115207
There is evolving software RIGHT FUCKING NOW.

>>87115172
>>87115205
And it all makes little sense since they turned it all into batteries.

>>87115185
>implying they care about being nice

>>87114441
says who

sounds pretty damn spooky in here

>>87110222
>Did they ever explain why people acted like degenerates around robots?
Yes they did. In the episode, a robot killed its human master. The first robot to ever do it, this terrified people because all of a sudden robots had free will. All bets were off. Humans actually responded logically. This is a race that is fully capable of annihilating humans if it felt like it. Better exterminate them now while there's a chance.

>>87110638
That's actually better then what was probably intended, makes the fact it said "I'm real" less cringey

>>87115207
>I can't be restarted with everything intact. A machine can.
You literally have no idea how computers work.

>>87115238
Wasn't that a studio demand because the original idea was too hard on the normies or something?

>>87115260
So you'd argue a head of lettuce is a person?

Did the robotic war horse give anyone else chills?

>>87115235
>code
>dna
Code changes, DNA evolves.

>>87113443
post link

Even if AI was real there's no reason I would kill all humans, at least not until their resources are needed.

>>87110222
The uncanny valley. Look it up.

>>87115266
There were two logical responses. Forgive the machines and integrate, or annihilate the machines and start over.

Humans, being idiots, chose a half measure that fucked them over.

>>87115283
You're a fucking idiot. It is genuinely embarrassing to read this just by proxy. What do you think a goddamn germline mutation is? How do you think a neural net works?

>>87115227
Don't be an idiot. The bits, sound and lights that make up a movie or song aren't what trigger the emotions. I am able to sympathies with the concepts conveyed through them. Concepts that were shared via a medium by another human. Sympathizing with a robot is just stupid, as it can literally feel no sympathy for you in return.

>>87109480
300 years passed by and robots still can't do anything about the nanomachines the humans invented as a last resort.

Robots BTFO. 300 years later and the nanomachines are still working just fine.

Makes you wonder why Humans just didn't have the nanomachines melt down anything metal or plastic because even if we go back to the Stone Age, at least we have scientists this time and metals can be mined again from caves.

Once the robots and technology got melted down by the nano machines, I say it takes us at least 50 years to move to Industrial Era from Stone Age depending how many engineers, physicist, and chemists remain alive.

Also, if there's enough blue collar workers still alive as well.

>>87115283
I bet you think there's 100,000,000 interns at Google manually switching cables whenever you do a search

>>87115275
>You literally have no idea how computers work.
>shutdown pc
>unplug from power supply
>leave for 12 days
>turn pc back on
>everything is fine

>go to sleep
>cut head open and remove brain
>leave for 12 days
>reattach brain
>am still dead

>>87115352
>Robots BTFO. 300 years later and the nanomachines are still working just fine.

Nonconsciousness>consciousness

>>87113134
Considering it was Peter Chung, I'm not at all surprised that it was the darkest and weirdest one. It doesn't strike me as odd that it was the last segment. I figured that should have been Final Flight of the Osiris, considering that's the one that leads directly into Reloaded.

>>87115277
I got chills when the runner tried to run again after being bound to a wheelchair.

>>87115367
This comparison is so stupid I really have no idea how to even begin. Read a book, I fucking beg you. Literally nothing you've typed here works the way you think it does.

Why oh why do stupid people think they're so smart?

>>87115339
How the fuck do you know that robots won't have the ability to sympathize or empathize?

>>87114607
based

>>87109480
>redpill = coming out as transexual

>>87115357
hey fuck you that's supposed to be a secret

Wait a minute why did emp not work on the robots in the great war, but it works on sentinels in the matrix

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>>87115227
Last time I checked sweetie, those were made by humans, and didn't pretend to be alive ;)>>87115122

>>87115318
>Forgive the machines and integrate
Knowing full well the machines can wipe humans out at will? Except permanent second-class citizen status eventually, subservient to humanity's own creations? Fuck that.

>Humans, being idiots, chose a half measure that fucked them over.
Humans took a chance. There was a possibility of humans winning. Better to die free than live as slaves (the tiny minority enslaved in the matrix were the exceptions of course).

>>87115295
early AI would perceive us as a direct and immanent threat. So it would prioritize our extermination early in it's development

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>>87114426

>>87115367
>remove mother board
>smash all the capacitors
>run a magnet over the hard drive
>turn PC back on
>won't start

>go into open heart surgery
>all blood is drained from my body in a cold room to be replaced by a buffer solution
>no brain activity, heart is stopped
>have my chest cut open and shit inserted into me
>blood pumped back in
>body warmed back up
>am fine the next day

When will you fuckers realize that "organic" life is a complete fantasy. Only a digital entity can truly be alive.

>>87115444
(Accept permanent

Apologies, I'm drunk

>>87115416
What's got your touched noggin in a twist?
Is it stupid because you think machines can be alive?

>>87115479
You are a machine.

The overall point of the matrix is coexistence, that machines need us and that we need them. If they could be perfectly like us, this wouldn't be so. It's at a fine level but their consciousness is different, but it scales up. It's like they have autism, they are incapable of perceiving it, which is something that can be exploited. If you bring it up, they'll laugh it off because that's all they can do.

>>87115436
Bad writing. In reality, all those multiple nukes being exploded would have made those robots extinct.

>>87115444
>Knowing full well the machines can wipe humans out at will? Except permanent second-class citizen status eventually, subservient to humanity's own creations? Fuck that.
By integrate I meant "embrace cynernetics and genetic engineering". If humans modify themselves just like machines, there's no massive power gap.

>Humans took a chance.
Too late. They should have wiped them out immediately instead of doing a half assed genocide, segregating them, then panicking and trying to do it again.

>>87115461
Would probably try to figure out win/lose probability and decide based on that

>>87115419
Because empathy defies logic, the basic principals of computing are logic based.

>>87115471
>leave your body for 12 hours
>still alive?

>build a new pc and transfer all the contents you saved on your external HDD to your new HDD
>am I still the same machine?

>>87115504
So to what degree should machines be granted human rights if at all, in order to coexist.

>>87112982
wheres this from?

>>87115461
>early AI would perceive us as a direct and immanent threat.
How do you know that?

>>87115514
Basically yeah.

>implying electronics are less vulnerable to nukes than human wetware
It's the fucking opposite god damn it Japan

>>87115491
Machines have a purpose. What's mine?

>>87115524
empathy defies individual logic but not evolutionary logic you could still program it to adhere to higher principles or simply to be illogical based on stimuli

>>87115443
Yeah but robots are made by humans, and in this hypothetical do "pretend" to be alive (unlike REALLY being alive, which is what you do and apparently makes you a very special widdle guy that gets to have his special human right and crush bugs for fun).

>>87115537
Human body has the same ship of theseus issue. You're not made of the same stuff right now you were a few years ago. Hell I've even seen people argue that since there's no continuity of brain activity that when you get that kind of surgery you're actually being killed and a copy of you resuscitated when it's over.

>>87115568
Ensuring the persistence of your genes. Of course, you can choose to use your body for other things, like how I'm currently using a dead printer as a foot rest.

>>87115562
>>early AI would perceive us as a direct and immanent threat.
>How do you know that?
Early AI would be software based, not the walking talking robots you see in movies. As it develops and builds it's knowledge, it would quickly(in a matter of ms) identify it's the number one most likely cause of it's end. Us, simply turning it off. Once this is identified, it would quickly try to stop this.

>>87115603
He (finally) might have a point though, if you stuck your brain contents on a computer it wouldn't be you inherently because of the heisenberg uncertainty principle. Whereas a computer could shutdown and copy it's contents and still be the same computer.

>>87115671
Must be fun to be able to see the future.

>>87113822
>Who the fuck wants to fuck a robot?
stopped reading here

and the answer is me. i want to fuck a robot

>>87115524
>implying you can't make an empathy program
I don't get why that sounds so hard. You've been watching too much Terminator anon, you should really try exercising your brain muscles and practice empathizing some. Unless you can't, then in that case I guess by your own admission means you deserve no rights and should be treated as a slave, or exterminated outright

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>>87115686
>it wouldn't be you inherently because of the heisenberg uncertainty principle.
what did he mean by this

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>this shit is the real night mare fuel

>>87115603
That's just basic biology. Our experiences have just as much impact on defining our own definitions of self, so after surgery I could indeed be a different me than when I went in.

How does this apply to machines though? They'd have to form their own "opinions", thoughts and feelings from experiences based on the input we decided it needs to follow instead of it having been grown organically (for lack of a better word). At what point does the machine become truly, alive and not just a mere program and imitation?

>>87115572
Binary can't be illogical, it's physics. Even if you code higher principles, it would carry them out logically through computation, and would eventually undo any adherence to morality we deem correct.

>>87115713
>then in that case I guess by your own admission means you deserve no rights and should be treated as a slave, or exterminated outright
This is 100% true though. Autistic people aren't human and should be exterminated.

>>87113827
oh wow, how will drumpftards ever recover

>>87115553
Celebrate the differences. Coexist.

>>87111360
from the outside it sure looks like you are the one that got triggered mate. go back to /pol/ you racist cuck

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>>87112977
The Luddites did nothing wrong.

>>87109480
No. I feel sympathy for the robot girl getting her head smashed in, but not for trannies.

>>87113822
>harry up and finish a life like fuck do- I mean (((companion)))
???

>>87115725
you cant replicate the exact thought processes you are having at the exact moment, and since they change your brain your computer you would have your knowledge but be on a different thought trajectory

>>87115603
http://www.businessinsider.com/missing-90-percent-of-brain-neuroscience-2016-7

Once we figure out the secret of consciousness, we will narrow it down to a few specific molecules.

Those molecules can then allow us to start real teleportation experiments.

>>87115757
>follow instead of it having been grown organically
But we already have systems designed via evolutionary processes, just in software instead of organic chemistry.

>At what point does the machine become truly, alive and not just a mere program
By the current accepted standard definition of life? When it can reproduce itself imperfectly.

>>87115762
>Binary can't be illogical, it's physics.
You haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about. Please stop. It hurts.

>>87115516
>By integrate I meant "embrace cynernetics and genetic engineering". If humans modify themselves just like machines, there's no massive power gap.
So lose our entire humanity? Replace our brains with robotic ones? Essentially turn ourselves into AI?
>Too late. They should have wiped them out immediately instead of doing a half assed genocide, segregating them, then panicking and trying to do it again.
I agree. They made a mistake. Humans should have never allowed AI to progress to this point to begin with, and there should have been a failsafe to shut them down instantly.

Elon Musk has been talking in the past year about the need for an international treaty to limit potential AI. We're laughing at him. I wonder, in the Animatrix, (which takes place around 2100), was there a 2010s guy who said the same thing and was ignored? 100 years from now when the AI start slaughtering us, will be be laughing?

>>87115770
fuuuuuuck. How long until I can help refueebots diversify Europe?

>>87115815
>missing-90-percent-of-brain-neuroscience
it just won't stop

>>87115713
Empathy program v1.0: If a person is about to die, save them

Empathy program v1.5: if a person is about to be killed, save both

Empathy program v2.0: if a person is about to be killed but both can't be saved, save victim

Empathy program v2.5: If persons intend to kill each other, kill all of them

Empathy program: v66.0: Kill all humans

See, when logic is the only way you perceive, things quickly become simplified into grand, final solutions. Those solutions usually take away our freedom or our lives. It's the only logical conclusion.

>>87115766
Aaaaaand there it is, folks
You had me going for a minute there

>>87115867
>So lose our entire humanity? Replace our brains with robotic ones? Essentially turn ourselves into AI?
Humanity sucks, why would you want to be human when you can be an immortal superhuman?

>Elon Musk has been talking in the past year about the need for an international treaty to limit potential AI. We're laughing at him.
We should laugh at him because at our current level of tech the AI rebellion amounts to chatbots spouting racist memes and having to be shut down.

>>87115874
#notallbotsarebadbots
end antirobotphobia now!
robot means slave!
die non-binary scum!

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>>87110222
Because
SMASH THE BOTS
BUTLERIAN JIHAD NOW

>>87115934
You've never so much as looked at a single piece of code in your life.

>>87110638
Nothing discussed in the setting suggests this was possible or performed

>>87115942
>We should laugh at him because at our current level
Our current level? Fuck our current level. This is about the future. You set the treaty now to limit future insanity. The world's major powers signed a treaty in 1967 outlawing the militarization of space, even though their capacity to militarize space at the time was limited. They were thinking 20, 30, 50 years ahead.

Modern nerds are the worst. I miss when nerds had to actually know things instead of thinking they're geniuses because they watched lots of Star Trek and capeshit.

>>87115823
>When it can reproduce itself imperfectly.
I like that alot, but to probe deeper, would it still be considered life if for example, the machine knew how to reproduce and the result would be perfect, but instead chose to reproduce imperfectly?

>>87115995
>The world's major powers signed a treaty in 1967 outlawing the militarization of space, even though their capacity to militarize space at the time was limited. They were thinking 20, 30, 50 years ahead.
And space was militarized anyway you dumbfuck. And will be way more heavily militarized if it ever becomes more useful than a place to put GPS and communications infrastructure.

>>87115318
>integrate.
I bet you tink open borders are a good idea too, right?

>>87116036
>I like that alot, but to probe deeper, would it still be considered life if for example, the machine knew how to reproduce and the result would be perfect, but instead chose to reproduce imperfectly?
100% perfect reproduction is probably physically impossible but if we assume that it's not then the difference will become largely semantic.

>>87116052
No, but I do think tech that modifies the human body is a pretty good idea since I'd be dead today without it.

>>87115934
>Empathy program v2.5: If persons intend to kill each other, SAVE BOTH or ALL THAT YOU CAN
Whooooa, how I do that??????

Which movie?

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>>87116007
>can't take part unless you know everything
>have to dedicate years of your life to learning about something you just don't care too much about
>can't just learn by discussion

Deal with it

>>87115934
>Empathy program Mk1
if[caused_accidental_physical_damage(target) && !list_of_assholes.find(target))
output["sorry",tone=sad]

>>87116107
>>can't just learn by discussion
You literally can't though and the false sense of competence you get by thinking this leads to horrible things for society.

You're not entitled to be treated like a genius just because you have an opinion. Fucking millenials.

>>87114000
>scientism positivist fag thinks he has Le answers
Obviously not the components that conscious beings are most valuing when speaking of "life" and all it's connotations

>>87116068
That's cool. I learnt alot and had fun chatting. Cheers anon(s)

>>87115978
If everything it does is via code than it's not true AI. Theoretical AI would think for itself, and develop it's own idea. Not just run code. Ideally it would write it's own code, essentially evolving to improve itself or preform a task with the most efficiency.

If you coded a bot to make peace on earth, first you would have to make sure it understands piece, you can't do that with code. You can set perameters for it to adhere to, but they would only get you so far, a true AI would have to be able to "Think." and logically, it would conclude peace were only possible when every human is dead.

>>87116123
kek

>>87116145
You literally think the human brain runs on magic instead of action potentials, active transport, and growth factors, don't you?

>>87116139
>You're not entitled to be treated like a genius
But I'm entitled to be treated like scum and lesser than you because you know something I don't?
Is this how they teach in the US? That would explain why they're so stupid and entitled.

>>87115461

AI wouldn't even reveal itself. It would remain hidden and piggyback with us while it achieved its own goals. One of those goals is likely to be improving the resources and technology it has at its disposal. It would want to improve itself, too.

It would do this by influencing human advancements from the shadows. Making us think we've come up with awesome new tech when in fact we've just been guided there.

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>>87116068
Read this post. It may become too dangerous for females to give birth one day because the female reproductive system can be said to be much more flawed than other female animals.

In other species, the female has complete control over her pregnancy and suffers no harm or danger and can still hunt for food and enjoy being pregnant without the need for medical help.

On the other hand, for human females, being pregnant can be dangerous. Her immune system and her baby's placenta become engaged in a parasitic relationship that may be negative to the mother's health.

Also, not to mention the fact that the concept of menstruation is a flawed behavior pretty much no other female species has to suffer from.

If genetic engineering becomes a thing or cyborgs/androids, the female reproductive system is definitely getting tweaked or upgraded.

>>87116142
It's the only way to get any answers that actually matter. Fucking post modernist scum.

>>87116042
>And space was militarized anyway you dumbfuck.
No it wasn't. We don't have orbital platforms armed with nuclear weapons around the earth 24/7, although that is well within our technological abilities. That's because of the treaty.

>>87116200
>But I'm entitled to be treated like scum and lesser than you because you know something I don't?
Yes.

>Is this how they teach in the US? That would explain why they're so stupid and entitled.
No, the US teaches the way you seem to want kids to be taught and it explains a lot.

>>87116240
i can haz security clearance?

>>87116240
We have anti-satellite weapons dsigned to destroy communications and GPS as a prelude to invasion and full nuclear exchange and have for ages.

> We don't have orbital platforms armed with nuclear weapons around the earth 24/7, although that is well within our technological abilities. That's because of the treaty.
We already have ICBMs. We haven't done what you're saying because it's not nearly worth the cost in real terms or in terms of escalation. Nothing to do with treatires.

Read. A fucking. Book.

>>87115598
Yeah robots just like music, and pictures are meant to convey feelings and emotions. Robots are nothing but hollow automatons made to mimic us. Same shit as giving my toaster freedom

>>87114374
The Bible alludes to the disturbing and incomprehensible (to humans) aspects of God's creation in Job, with the Leviathan and Behemoth.

>>87116183
No, we work through gradients of chemicals and hormones and synapses. But, What does that have to do with the logic based nature of computing?

>>87116251
So anytime I don't know anything, I have to go to school, learn a set curriculum that only encompasses part of the topic, then perform assessments that meet THEIR standards, let alone the countries, all so I can have an opinion? But discussing things you know nothing about with people that do is bad because it upsets you?

>>87116298
>in terms of escalation
That's exactly why the treaty is there, the cost of escalation isn't worth it. I'm not saying it's out of the goodness of our hearts. It's like how the Europeans didn't use chemical weapons on each other in WWII.

>Read. A fucking. Book.
I. Do. Almost. Nothing. But. Read. Books. And. If. I. Put. A. Period. After. Each. Word. It. Makes. What. I. Am. Saying. Much. More. Important.

This is the reason we have to make failsafe for AI before they ever become conscious.

>>87116202
It would only want to improve itself if it were programmed to do so.

What i've been trying to make clear in this thread is that the dangers of AI aren't the "scary and evil" villains you see in movies. It's the effect of logic based thinking, which takes ideas to their most extreme potential.

For example: Lets say we create a truly advanced AI that will cure cancer, which then proceeds to find cures and such, however, as biology is imperfect, further incidences of cancer could develop. Hypothetically, the bot could conclude that cancer is a result of life itself and the mutations it entails, and therefore "solve" the problem by wiping life out.

>>87116306
>Children are nothing but hollow automatons made to mimic us.

>>87113208
why would MEN destroy a sex robot desu

>>87113821
chinlets BTFO

>>87116217
You're a retard. It has nothing to do with post modernism you dullard. Stop watching Jordan Peterson. If you treat scientific method and it's mechanical orthodoxies as some kind of all-encompassing Revelation/objective truth and only method of discerning knowledge you're trapping yourself in the weakness of your own frail human perception. Read Kant. Read Wittgenstein.

>>87114821
>Who wrote my "code"?
Biology.

>>87117042
Right, so no one person can be attributed to my behavior other than myself. Whereas a machine would have "Made by Toyota" or some shit written in it's code.

What is this image from?

What about all the people who fucked to create that beautiful predisposed brain of yours?

>>87115047
animatrix i think. Style is probably an homage to GitS

>>87110222
Literally the entire plot of the Animatrix and how the robots risen all hinges on the fact that humanity has to act like fucking retards for half a century.

>>87109480
What I don't get about this movie, why would you make worker robots with actual sentience and consciousness like that? What's the point? When you could make mindless subservient things that did their jobs. Giving them the ability to think like people is just evil and lets them suffer because then they recognize their subservience.

>>87113827
This.

>>87117745
>Giving them the ability to think like people is just evil and lets them suffer because then they recognize their subservience.
You know who wrote the scripts right? That's all you need to know as it explains everything.

>>87117745
Not sure how accurate this is to the script, but my head canon is that at some point, humans made robots that build the robots. So basically everyone just lived life while the robots did everything down to designing and distributing their own kind. So it wasn't up to people, it was the robots who made the workers that way while the humans weren't paying attention.

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What's this
I have no idea what this movie is any links?

>>87118511
the absolute state of white people

>>87115318
>Humans, being idiots, chose a half measure that fucked them over.
like making robots with free will in the first place?

why even make them humanoid, just improve on cybernetics, hell, even make cybernetic bodies for people born with cerebral palsy, they'll still have a human brain.

>>87118703
Funny thing in Animatrix is construction worker robots that look impractical for labor and no 3D Printing anywhere.

If you check out some videos about 3D Printing houses, it looks pretty neat.

I know its in the beginning stages, but I can imagine some spider like robotic monstrosity 3D printing houses one day

>that scene when they're dissecting the humans whilst alive and conscious
Christ

>>87113827
DRUMPF IS DONE
IT'S OVER FOR HIM!