Has it begun? Has Trump's destruction of America finall

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Truly, our messiah!

>>87073884

The more time goes by, the more BvS will be appreciated for the genius that it is

>>87073884
I actually dont want normies to realise how good bvs is, these shameless cucks will claim they were always on the snyder train

>>87073884
So this went from being Donald Trump, the movie to being anti-Trump the movie?

>>87074338
Give it time, this will be hailed as one of the goat capeshits ever released. mfw /tv/ might actually be right

>>87074338
extreme Libtards and extreme conservatards both tried to misinterpret the movie to fit their own agendas.

Snyder deals purely in grays.

BvS is literally the perfect snapshot of America today, it's literally prophetic that it was written 2+ years ago and released more than a year ago.

>>87074511
Its not prophetic if it dealt with an immediate post 9/11 world

>>87074511
>>87074709
deals with american foreign policy
the fact that no one ever brings up the fact that superman was baited into a corporate sponsored false flag in a war torn region is proof enough that everyone was too busy thinking about snyder to car to watch the movie

>>87074380
>/tv/ might actually be right
Dude I hate breaking kayfabe here but that movie is straight up unwatchable. And I say that as a person who like Snyder's Watchmen.

>>87075574
And theres nothing wrong with not liking bvs, god knows it has flaws but even the greatest films has its detractors

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>>87073884
I for one am glad

>>87074338
I thought Trump was supposed to represent Superman. He's the outsider with great power who suddenly appeared in the political landscape.

>>87073884
Again, all the bullshit defending BvS is about what it's supposed to be saying and not about how it's made, which is the biggest problem the movie has.
Putting concept above execution leads to the demise of the arts, which are supposed to be a celebration of skills just as much, if not more, than of concepts and ideas. There's philosophy for that, but shit like BvS is too pedestrian for that so it stays in a limbo where it's neither one or the other so people who aren't intellectuals or artists can still feel good about themselves for appreciating this pretentious mediocrity which is nothing but a reflex of their own existence.
It's not by chance that works like Snyder's are praised in a board full of neets and underachievers such as 4chan.

>>87074283
>>87074380
No, is liquid shit and will still be liquid shit in 20 years

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>>87077563
Ok anon

>>87074338
>clickbait article is followed up by a clickbait article
No, anon. This movie is shit. It will forever be seen as shit.

>>87077624
but what if a movie dreamed of becoming something other than what society had intended? What if a film aspired to something greater?

>>87076961

If anything he's Lex. A mentally unstable oligarch with delusions of grandeur who fosters hatred and paranoia for his own personal gain.

>>87076961
>Trumplets actually believe this
oy vey

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>>87074338
The left is utterly broken.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlRNnC7GupQ

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>>87074228
His hopes and dreams travel with him.

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>>87078373
>If anything he's Lex. A mentally unstable oligarch with delusions of grandeur who fosters hatred and paranoia for his own personal gain.
You tell'em girl!

>>87073884
the thing about analyzing bad films is no one wants to do it because the films are still bad no matter how much pseudo-intellectual circle jerking you do.

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>>87076961
>I thought Trump was supposed to represent Superman. He's the outsider with great power who suddenly appeared in the political landscape.

Correct.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIxALSFkuDo

>>87073884
By 2020 BvS will be widely considered a classic of the capeshit genre up there with The Dark Knight and Spider-Man 2

>>87076961
Trump represents Batman.

Mr. FLYS ANYWHERE AROUND THE (((GLOBE)))..

Think about it dipshit.

>>87078673
jesus christ, that actually made me tear up a bit

>>87073884
>the danger of believing good people given power can remain uncorrupted.
So vote Hillary in 2020, goyim!

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God bless this man.

>when liberals end up attacking a film rejecting blind hatred because they realize that's exactly what they are now
BvS said more about the media the more the media spoke about BvS. Snyder's magnum opus cast a disturbing mirror on those who have become the profiteers of social divide.

>>87078977
>the totality of media's conversation on the movie has been blatant profiteering on the spinning of false narratives
>somehow the current political landscape isn't what we were heading to
>movie so coherent even our *actual* reality reflects and reaffirms the content of the movie


i can't go against snyder, time and time again, he's right on the money

>>87076961
>literal illegal alien who puts all ideas of personal american superiority in question
>implying lex (and yeah bruce too) isn't representative of trump, who has to be on top no matter what
you know.... there's another interesting aspect of the movie.... when lex says 'he doesn't know how to lose'


ahaha at least no one in power in our actual reality is willing to blow it all up just to make sure everyone knows they have the bigger dick hahahaha

>>87078892
It feels so great to have a cool president again.

>>87079093
Both BvS and MoS work with these metatextual social themes that are seemingly without fault proven though general audience reaction.

They're fucking fascinating social studies and I can't think of anything else like them. The audience reaction, expected to be divisive literally works right into the narrative of the films, right down to the core thematics.

I fucking hate capeshit and blockbuster movies in general, but Snyder literally works on a level that I don't think many people know how to look for. He's unironically a genius.

>>87079191
Lex is Soros. He controls the media, the politicians all while keeping a guise of philantrophism. Trump is honest about who he is. Lex's game is deception.

There's a reason why Clark rages in frustration against White to the meaning of journalism now being lost.

>>87079315
youre literally talking out of your ass and projecting your lunativ /pol/ beliefs onto what is fundamentally a liberal work.

Snyder himself confirms Clark Superman = Immigrants/Muslims

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>>87079315
>There's a reason why Clark rages in frustration against White to the meaning of journalism now being lost.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbb6K9Jh3Lg

>>87079395
Snyder confirms Superman as an outsider trying to fit in a world of hatred, paranoia and greed. In MoS he mirrors the coming of the New Testament. I think you can make the point that he faces some of the issues liberal muslims do but that's limiting the outsider-fitting-in theme into just that. Superman's dilemma stems from being of another world but who considers himself wholly human, American and probably even Christian. The dilemma is in the world not accepting him as one of our own. You can apply that theme to various people or groups of people.

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>>87079567
>>87079395
superman is and has always been jesus, everyone knows this

>>87073884
>And for those seeing only enemies around them in their communities, their political arenas, and their nations, seeing through the confusion to the ones most eager to not be noticed
> seeing through the confusion to the ones most eager to not be noticed
> the ones most eager to not be noticed

holy shit did they just name the jew?

>>87079679
nah

bvs makes the claim that jesus himself is another capeshit, and that through history there's always some central figure that everyone references themselves against
how does person deal with being thrust into this position?

>>87079395
>>87079315
What both of you fail to realize is you're just injecting your own bullshit onto the movie because the movie is so utterly devoid of actual content or meaning.

As the plot of the movie is literally nothing but "lex h8 supermans." that's it. There are no subplots, there are no overarching themes. Literally every second of the movie is "lex h8 supermans." But they spent 300 million making this movie, so your mind automatically starts filling the blanks in the narrative with whatever bullshit you personally believe. The movie is a glorified inkblot. A collage of comic panels strewn randomly in a jackson pollock style splatter pattern.

>>87079790
This amount of brainletting should be punishable by death.

>>87079790
The only mental gymnastics involved would be to somehow believe the film does not have a heavy political, social and even mythical subtext. Nevermind that even Terrio and Snyder's comments about the film support it.

>>87078463
>I AM SILLY!!!

>>87079872
Your lack of counter-argument has been noted.

>>87079895
Nevermind that Terrio is a Harvard graduate with genius level IQ with vested interest in the field and Snyder graduated in Classical Arts before venturing into film.

A far cry from the hacks who get the privilegie to be Kevin Feige's little whores.

>>87079315
might as well just name any fucking rich person who bends the so called infallible political structure to their own ends


if anything, that is precisely why we're shown lex do all this shit
>absolute power corrupts absolutely

it's not the outsider who makes us question ourselves that is the enemy


there is a parallel to trump, not because trump just happens to be trump like, but because he's such a caricature of the egoic rich man, this is coincidental to me, the point of lex's actions is that for those who have that power, again, the political system is just another thing that can manipulated for personal gain


all this finger pointing to try to find out who the 'enemy' is is exactly what bvs is trying to get us all to face

Perhaps demagogues should stop looking at it from a democrat/republican point of view and look at it more from a POV of these things being fundamentally part of the corrupt USA DNA. The country is rotten to the core, and the final statement is only unity can repair it, but politicians, the media, etc have a vested interest in keeping us divided.

If you read any part of this film as a validation of Trump, you're literally the problem with this country, much as someone who reads it wholly a validation of liberal ideas. It's about the bigger picture.

>>87079895
The problem with any "heavy" theme you read into the movie is it'll be contradicted by one or more scenes.

>>87080169
>only unity can repair it,
>It's about the bigger picture.
how far do you think the movie is trying to take this idea

>>87080232
that's not true at all

while IRONY is rampant throughout the movie and in between scenes, there's never a point where the movie breaks anything in its established logic

>the character of lex luthor represents how the existence of godlike figures on earth neuters the agency of man. As what are the accomplishments of man worth if Gods can just do the same thing instantly and effortlessly?

>in BvS luthor is the only character with any agency

???????

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>>87080042
>personal gain
>trashing his brand
>trashing his character
>getting half the country to call him a nazi, racist, hitler, ku klux klan sexist
>being attacked by the (((msm))) 24/7
>made the biggest enemies one can make in both parties and around the world
>beat a candidate with 3x the money and 100% of the media behind her
>etc.
you libs just can't comprehend someone doing something because they think it's right for its own sake... it's fascinating
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zEAMkp8TuU

>>87080278
The only logic the movie establishes is "lex h8 supermans."

>>87080282
The text is all wrong. If anything Lex is the man so afraid of God he would rather kill him than come to terms with there being someone above him. He is a militant atheist if anything. Desperately rejecting God because God makes him feel small.

Note that Superman is not and have never claimed to be God. But Lex's paranoia and ego turns him into one without realizing the irony that he's the one attaching a God-like aura to Superman. There is a lot of irony in BvS.

>>87080376
>hi i only watched bvs

that's nice

>>87080299
The MSM got Trump elected

You're a fucking sheep.

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>>87080435
nice bait

>>87080376
>But ironically, the only character actually doing anything in this movie is also an idiot!

wow such deep

>>87080402
What the fuck you on about? While MoS Superman does mirror the coming of Jesus, he never claims to be God. He is of two worlds, within him a new Kryptonian doctrine of free will and choice. There are obvious similarities like that. But Superman is not God. Superman is turned into a God-like figure by Lex which is the irony considering his motives of attempting the opposite. His self-less sacrifice creates the image of a savior and the Ideal Man. A self-less sacrifice enabled by Lex.

>>87080435
>The MSM got Trump elected

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Oh Sweetie

>>87080464
>refute my post with study about coverage during presidency
>opt not to post study also by Harvard pointing out how MSM helped Trump during election which is what I mentioned
Brainlet fucking leave. You're not fit to discuss a superman movie, much less politics

Batman represents neocons, going kill frenzy and obsessed with destroying seemingly harmless foreign powers. Everythkng they didn't control had to be killed.

Superman is the American spirit, the "wolkgeist" of the United States after 9/11. Brought from abroad but raised in America, both Superman and the people found themselves with amazing, unmatched powers and they both tried to use it to help humanity as a whole, only to be blamed for everything and distrusted for the potential uses of said powers. After 9/11, Superman/the people couldn't trust themselves either. Did we cause this? Who are our allies?

Luthor represents the corporate lobbyists, especially the military complex ones.

In the end America as a estate (Batman) and as the people (Superman) found out they have the same origins and motivations and joined to defeat the ultimate military industry produced false flag war starter (Doomsday)

>>87080494
Don't reply to me again brainlet. We know BvS makes you very upset but you can still go make a GoTG2 thread and hey maybe this time more than two people will reply.

>>87080538
I was talking about your shitty interpretation of lex luthor as evidenced by how the only depiction of him you've ever seen was in BvS.

though that's a nice wall of gibberish you posted.

>>87080580
Your lack of counter-argument has been noted.

>>87080592
So you want to talk about Donner Lex? Or 70's comic Lex? Or 60's comic Lex? The only relevant Lex to this discussion is the BvS Lex you cocksucking whoreson.

>>87080619
>memespouting Mouseshill mad nobody even humors his shite posts anymore

>>87080633
then why call the character lex luthor? If you're going to do something completely at odds with every single other interpretation, why use the name at all?

>>87080664
Why did Donner use the Lex name when it's nothing at all like the original comic book Lex?

Oh wait, Marvelfaggot pretending he gives a shit about the source material but being wholly ignorant about it? A common thing as of late...

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>>87080550
>>87080580
>>87080592
You seem very angry, ma'am.

>>87080435
Indirectly I suppose

>>87080703
Why stay on topic when you can just whine about another company that only (you) are mentioning?

>>87080774
Marvelfaggot ousted and destroyed. Getting easier and easier by the day.

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>>87080708
*tip* my friend

>>87080826
So you have no response to the question of why call the character "lex luthor" if the character is going to bear zero resemblance to any interpretation of that character?

>>87080708
>gets literally BTFO
>shitpostsmwith gif in response
>confuses several anons for one
Just leave.

>>87080910
I already gave you a response you illiterate marvel dog
>>87080703

>>87080965
see >>87080910

Its okay if you have no response. BvS made a huge mistake mangling epicurus, as it leads to questioning why call any of these characters batman, superman, lex, etc. As they bear zero resemblance to any other interpretation of the characters apart from some token bullshit.

>>87081042
Why did you ignore my question, dog?

>Why did Donner use the Lex name when it's nothing at all like the original comic book Lex?
Answer it.

>>87081042
>As they bear zero resemblance to any other interpretation of the characters apart from some token bullshit.
Imagine how much of a dullard one must be to make arguments based on utter bullshit.

>>87081073
Yes, I tend to ignore irrelevant prattling that exists only to dodge questions with no answer.

Though kudos for staying in your argued corner for this long without bitching about marvel.

>>87081121
>world's greatest detective: idiot
>insane intensely wealthy genius: idiot
>superman: idiot

>>87081131
It is the quwstion you ask. But a question you ask only of BvS but not any other film despite them all doing it countless times. Now answer me.

Why did Donner use the Lex name when it's nothing at all like the original comic book Lex?

Its absolutely breathtaking that Snyder would take the massive risk to change Lex's character to fit the current American culture and closer to fit Trump, even though he took lots of shit for it, given that context Eisenberg's performance is a masterwork.

He's doing it again. The Marvel Pajeet replying to everyone with barely correctly typed English. The face of mental illness upon realizing Marvel is artistically long dead and has to take out that frustration on BvS.

>>87081165
Most of the time when films put a new spin or new interpretation of a character they don't just toss every aspect of every other interpretation of that character.

And this isn't a thread about those films anyway, as they aren't being marketed.

>>87079395
Zack Snyder is an objectivist, moron.

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>>87081175
Joss?

>>87081221
And BvS Lex has just as many similarities to original comic book Lex as the Donner one. Why is one a problem for you but not the other?

Oh that's right. The argument is only valid against BvS because it is currently competing with Marvelshit.

>>87081329
Possibly because BvS lex dropped the "isn't a total idiot" part. But that happened with every character.

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>>87081204
Isn't it your bedtime Dipto?

>>87081368
Atleast you tried.

>>87077433
but Batman v Superman and Snyder are constantly appreciated by people in the film industry

https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2017/03/jay-baruchel-praises-batman-v-superman-as-the-worlds-most-expensive-indie-film/

http://comicbook.com/dc/2017/02/20/james-cameron-praises-zack-snyder-movies/

>>87079270
>>87079093
it really is crazy

>>87081388
I can feel the effort it took to not whine about marvel.

>>87081373
he looks like that guy from the office

>>87080327
not an argument and you obviously didnt pay attention to the movie at all my dude

>>87081410
You FUCKING marvel pajeet SCUM

>>87080327
>starts with saying it breaks its own theme
>proceeds to say the only theme he picked up on was one that was never broken in the movie


you dumb

>>87073884
Trumps mom shares the first name with my mom. I love Trump now.

>>87080282
the point is that Lex feels robbed of his agency and in order to regain the feeling of agency he is pushed to manipulate everyone and everything.
In a round about way he is robbed of it though. His whole life becomes devoted to defeating Suerpman. He no longer has a life to live, just an obsession.

>>87081462
Wow the DChad sure is mad

>>87080435
Unironically this.
The negative coverage got trump elected by people who wanted Washington to burn.
If people watched rt, trump would never have won, damned as he was with faint praise instead of hyperbolic and hysterical negativity

>The Planet? Do I own that newspaper or is it the other guy?
MASS MEDIA BLOWN THE FUCK OUT

>>87080299
not liberal(why are all of you guys so myopic)

guy has a literal tower with his literal name in gold
he has admitted in multiple instances that he does what he does for the ratings
media outlets doing their obligatory "he's mean" routine doesn't mean shit


anon, you do know that trump isn't some savior figure who's going to fix all of your problems for you....
at least i'm not the only one seeing bvs as it is

>>87080565
this is the post that goes ignored. fucking lol

most succinct post itt

>>87081611
pretty much
the whole time the movie was throwing a bunch of fuck yous to established institutions, none of them being pure


>the american conscience died with robert, martin, and john

>>87080282

Then they got Lex perfectly in that regard at least. Lex is always moaning about how Superman limits human potential but if it wasn't for his desire to outshine Superman, Lex would have never achieved anything close to his full potential. Ironically there isn't a human alive who was more inspired by Superman than Lex Luthor

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>>87073884
Truly, he is our Lord and Savior. Godspeed, Lord Snyder. Your faithful are with you.

>>87074324
It's OK. It's easy to spot a parrot, but to be fair, if they pick up on a TENTH of the message, the world will already be a better place.

>>87074511
Fucking this. It called it. It called fucking all of it. And it even did a pretty fair job of explaining the underlying causes.

Meme Painter will not be pleased with this thread

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You know what's sad about this? The bad critical reception of the film forced Warner Brothers to change their hand and now the following movies will all be very simple and by-the-numbers. The fact critics are only now going back on the film and seeing its worth is a little too late, specially because we're not going to see more of these types of film precisely because of them. Justice League could have been like BvS and now it is not going to.

Fucking hell. If they complain that Justice League isn't as daring and poignant as BvS i'll fucking riot.

>>87084495
>Fucking hell. If they complain that Justice League isn't as daring and poignant as BvS i'll fucking riot.
They'll be too busy hooting and hollering about how cool Aquaman is because he's hooting and hollering "I can dig it" will start trending on social media

>>87075474
Fucking A.

>>87077711
I love these movies so much.

>>87084495
>Justice League could have been like BvS and now it is not going to

great

>>87073884
>Batman won
>The other immigrant ended up fucking up the world
>In MoS 4 of 5 immigrants were looking at hostile takeover

Holy fuck

Justice League being changed will always bother me because now we're without the trilogy.

>>87079093
>movie so coherent even our *actual* reality reflects and reaffirms the content of the movie

Even down to a lot of people being so blinkered by partisanship that they don't even recognize the heroism until after the fact.

>>87084495
It's shill narrative. They are going to attack DC no matter what. If they do another challening capekino, they'll shit on it for not having enough quips about turds. If they play it safe, they'll shit on it because they are "sell outs" doing the same as Marvel (this as an insult despite shilling everything Marvel does).

Media and their critics are just getting for a bunch of Disney checks. If there are shills ITT they'll ask me for hard evidence of any of this, that's how you know them btw

>>87079270
I pretty much remain in perpetual awe of the man.

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>>87079567
Something that I think is pure genius is having his suit be a Kryptonian relic. Just by putting it on, he's honoring the heritage of a more enlightened age of his people while also wearing a visible badge declaring his outsider status. Take away the suit and everything that makes him alien completely vanishes.

It would be like a Muslim guy putting on Hajj attire before purposefully stepping out to do good deeds.

>>87080538
It wasn't just Lex. Many people were seeing him as a godlike figure. I find it interesting that of the gods Lex mentions by name, none of the ones he names are typically thought of as Messianic, savior types. Personally, I believe that's because that's not what Lex sees when he looks at him.

>>87081155
It's amazing the number of idiots that idiots point out.

>>87081287
Unproven and increasingly unlikely.

>>87073884
Can someone explain the connection with real life america today? I don't get it (and I'm not from america myself)

>>87079921
Well it's not inaccurate.

>>87073884
All this flowery analysis when their point just boils down to "don't get manipulated"

>>87085619
Too bad noone was manipulated in the first place.
>Superman hates Batman's guts because the latter is completely reckless
>Batman hates Superman because the latter has actual Superpowers
>Superman fights Batman because Lex has his mom
>Batman fights Superman because of autism
You could argue that the audience was because they thought they might see a good film since it featured both Batman and Superman

>>87073884
What is this thread about? Are you guys saying that BvS got bad reviews because they are liberals?

I thought it got bad reviews because of pacing problems and weird edited scenes and maybe some plot problems or whatnot.

>>87085513
Basically, it's saying that the "war on terror" is really just a vendetta campaign propped up by a sensationalist media that fuels the xenophobia and a well-connected corporate elite that stands to profit from the cultural divide and lack of meaningful dialogue between the two sides.

It even goes as far as to blame how we handled the Iraq war for birthing ISIS, and I don't disagree.

>>87084495
>The fact critics are only now going back on the film
Are they really?

>>87085848
>It even goes as far as to blame how we handled the Iraq war for birthing ISIS
This is bullshit. The shia-sunni conflict has existed for hundreds of years and is much of a proxy war between those states than an Iraqi civil war.

Superman is the true American. He believes in universal morals and personal intervention over robotic drone strikes where nobody is held responsible. He's the American Way trying to survive in an era where that way has been forgotten.

>>87085848
I don't get it, how does it say all of this? Sorry, feel free to call me a brainlet and so on, but it would be better if you explain it to me because I really want to see what the hell you guys are all talking about ITT. (and I just watched the movie a few hours ago, so I have it fresh in memory)

>>87085781
Editing is shit and I'd understand people not liking the movie because of it. I have the theory that the totally not fake news gy who said Wonder Woman was a mess was some editot fired over it because Suicide Skwad was edited by a third party (it was even worse) and WW had a pretty good edit too

But other than that the movie is kino

>>87073884
People were not ready for Zack's vision at the time of its release, but slowly but surely normies are waking up and getting the redpill.
Give it a few more years.

>>87086127
You're not wrong, but by botching the job, training both Sunni anf Shiite militias and basically bleeding money all over the country, we absolutely did set the stahe for ISIS to take root and grow.

>>87086191
But can you explain it to a brainlet why the movie is so kino?

Ok, so for me the movie was pretty nice, I enjoyed it and I don't understand why it has 27% - BUT at the same time I haven't noticed all the stuff I see in this thread and I don't follow what you're saying because it seems like you are getting into stuff that you have already debated before and I am jumping right in the middle of it and I don't get it.

>>87086187
Think about how Superman is trying to just let his actions do the talking for him. Look at how that plays right into the hands of Lex and a media that would rather focus on the bad and controversy to the exclusion of all else. Look at how fast people are to politicize him no matter what he does. Now think back to the last time you heard any mention of humanitarian efforts undertaken by Muslim organizations. Ever heard of the Red Crescent? You should have. They're doing the same type of work as the Red Cross. It's just not talked about or focused on in a culture where "Islam is the boogeyman" gets more views. Also, don't think for a moment that it's a one-sided message. Superman's guilt and reluctance to more clearly speak for himself are part of the problem.

Then there's Bruce, whose personification of American(Western) xenophobia is quite a bit more obvious. He talks an awful lot about war and his fears about "aliens that could burn the whole place down," but at the end of the day, he's just looking for revenge, and he's willing to do anything it takes to get it, be it torture, skirting the Justice system by branding "undesirables" or treating collateral casualties as a necessary evil. At the end of the day, he's still rationalizing murder as an act of "preemptive self-defense" based solely off of where his enemy is from, and what he someday *might* do.

Think it over a bit and amalyze Lex on your own.

>>87087013
>Think it over a bit and amalyze Lex on your own.
Ok so lex is the media who makes them fight and get profits off of it.

Ok, maybe I get the metaphore now.
If it was intentionally about what you're talking about, I'm not so sure. Do you really think Znyder were making a mirror of muslims coming to western world and being a victim of exenophobia, and the media who earn big bucks on polarizing them?

>>87087242

>Do you really think Znyder were making a mirror of muslims coming to western world and being a victim of exenophobia, and the media who earn big bucks on polarizing them?

Take MoS for example with the 9/11 imagery, Zod and his crew acting as jihadists, and Superman in the middle of it all having to prove he's not like Zod and his crew, while also dealing with the outcome produced by Zod & crew actions.

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>>87087242
Lex is pretty much the entire military-industrial complex, complete with its pocket media outlets and politicians. He's also pretty much guaranteed to either be working with A.R.G.U.S. or be running the whole show.

Circles and triangles.

>>87087330
Why the "jesus posing" then, if he is a muslim?

>>87087519
There are also Christian refugees coming from this same region. Like Clark and Zod, same race different religion. Judged as the same.

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>>87087013
>red crescent

>>87087672
So Znyder is just one of tthose who misunderstand why people are afraid of muslim immigration? He actually think people are afraid that they might be terrorists and that this is why people don't want them to migrate? At least in Europe it's not like that. In Europe the concern is 99% of the time the great replacement, not terrorists.

>>87087013
>Red Crescent
What? Why should he have heard of them?

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All this burnt to the ground by the cuck king ;_;

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>>87073884
this cocksucker has made 3 articles in a row.

>>87086616
Visually the movie is pretty kino all the way until Doomsday shows up and then it picks up again once Doomsday is dead. It's kino because of its scope and its ambition. It uses popular characters as social, political and even philosophical archetypes to make a movie about the 2000 political and social in America. Some people say that Batman shouldn't kill mindless thugs because that's not a "goof guy" thing to do, well I say America shouldn't torture shitskins in Guantanamo either. And Batman represents America, or part of it, you see him quoting Dick Cheney in the movie. Corporal punishment is not a good guy thing to do either, is Batman, or America, bad guys then? That's one of the many questions this movies asks to the audience, those questions (the movie doesn't provide answers, just hope for an American moral renaissance) but they never answered. They just say the movie was shit and that's that. Batman and Superman must be invincible boy scouts or nothing, that was the answer. Ironically James Cameron, a Zack Snyder fan, accused Wonder Woman of being too much of a girl scout, I think he was asking for some of that Snyder magic back. Well sorry Jim but Zack has give us the biggest "fuck you" ever, by handpicking Whedon for JL reshoots. Let's hope he didn't yield and the movie is still his.

I'm drunk but I think that's the gist of it

>>87085039

It's interesting because it's always been such a hallmark of the character that you don't really think about it in those terms. Or how much more relevant it is given how the world reacts to Superman in this movie

>>87086616

It took several rewatches. The more you see it, the more you notice

>>87088988
Why is it 27%?

>>87081073
He did come up with the basic Lex-as-businessman model (even though still also a scientific genius), the basis used to this day. Yes it was a popular change, good for him.

Is any of this crap in this movie a good, popular change? Was knocking off Heath Ledger joker an improvement on that iconic Lex shift?

>>87089095

In the Donner movies Lex wasn't a scientist. He was a down-on-his-luck schemer that cared about real state. Donner's Lex had nothing to do with comics Lex. Comics Lex at the time was pure mad scientist.

And Snyder's Lex is both a scientist and business-man, as well an egotist prick who's great at posing as a caring philanthropist, while in truth he's in bed with the government. That's current comics Lex to a T.

>>87073884
>In no uncertain terms, Batman V Superman shows the danger of believing good people given power can remain uncorrupted.

except it doesn't, Superman never does anything morally wrong in the either movie, he does nothing the entire time but try to help people

and the point of Lex's character is he was fucked in the head before he got power from his fathers upbringing and the point of Batman's character is relative to Superman he is literally powerless and only a man

>>87073884
And here I was thinking that BvS was the "EBIN CONSERVATIVE BLOCKBUSTER!"

>>87089448
That's the problem with you polarized faggots. This movie's almost straight down the center.

>>87087876
Because they're a part of pretty much everything the Red Cross does and has been for nearly a century. The fact you almost never hear about them in Western media is pretty much exactly the sort of point the film's making about Superman.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Red_Cross_and_Red_Crescent_Movement

That being said, they're to blame as well, as they've been content to try to let their actions speak for them rather than pound their chest and tell everyone about all the awesome things they do.

Sort of like Superman.

>>87090202
Who cares about muslim version of red cross?

>>87089253
Lmao BvS Lex is more Lex than Donner Lex and the marveldogs still call him a fake. To hell with them all.

>mfw eventually the word kino will be used academically to refer to pop products that have more hidden substance and deepness than they should

>>87089448
Thats the beauty of it. Its nothing. The movie is so unbiased and smart that can be used to push both points of view.

Frankly I discussed the muslim shit here like 3 weeks ago (they probably lift kino posts from here).

What I said was not that he was a muslim analog, but that if MoS was about a muslim refugee that becomes a police officer and then goes against muslim terrorists in America, integrating himself and helping Americans while neglecting his barbarian roots,liberals would praise the movie and would get a trillion oscars.

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>>87091902
What that portion of the narrative is really speaking to is the danger of fanaticism and the perils of false gods. Islam just happens to be the most accessible and recognizable form of fanaticism to a Western audience.

Basically, when the Kryptonians huddled back n Krypton and stagnated, they fell into sort of a Dark Age, where they took science(their genetics program) and sort of enshrined it as a god.

>>87089253
HOLY FUCK.. STOP RIGHT THERE.

Donner Lex is the WORST one, and the least Lex-like interpretation of them all.

I hate Lex in Donner.
I hate Lex in Snyder.

I was ok with Lex in Superman returns, but he should've been better.

>>87089253
>>87093497
Oh sorry, didn't read all of your post before I ranted.

Dont you shills ever get tired? Its been almost 2 years, let it go

>>87089025

Because critics watch something once. Because they go into capeshit expecting certain things and when they don't get them, they complain.

Because, and this is the most important, the critics weren't treated the way they wanted to by the studios. This is a subtext you can pick up on in reviews of BvS, particularly the top critics on RT. Several complain about being asked not to spoil the movie. Unfortunately part of getting good reviews is courting the press, and WB didn't. They learned their lesson given that they invited people to the set

>>87074338
It's both.

BvS themes are fairly universal and everyone can see what they look in it.

BvS is already a cult classic.

>>87093920
are you cucks still peddling the RT/ Disney collaboration conspiracy because you do know WB owns RT right?

>>87094132
I don't think they are saying that.

It would be false of course. Disney don't want DCU to fail, because the good experiences people have of DCU movies will actually make people go to see MCU movies more. Superhero movies is a genre, in which all the studios are benefiting on each other's success. Marvel and WB wants the same thing, a continued success on both ends.

Or it's just a shitty movie that fails at telling a compelling story and instead is a 3 hour long pretty screenshot slideshow.

It's kinda creepy how angry Snyder haters get in these threads.

>>87077563
Liquid shit can become pretty solid in 20 years.

Daily Reminder

Chris Nolan

Best film Visual effects Oscar : 3 noms and 2 wins
Best production design Oscar : 2 noms
Best art direction Oscar : 2 noms
Best cinematography Oscar : 3 noms

Hack Snyder

0 noms or wins in any of those categories and in general kek.

Also before any of you autists say "Oscars are out of touch old men" excuse , I would like to remind you that vfx , cinematography, and other similar Oscar Judges are truly industry experts and do know better than you plebs.

Chris Nolan

Best film Visual effects Oscar : 3 noms and 2 wins
Best production design Oscar : 2 noms
Best art direction Oscar : 2 noms
Best cinematography Oscar : 3 noms

Hack Snyder

0 noms or wins in any of those categories and in general kek.

Also before any of you autists say "Oscars are out of touch old men" excuse , I would like to remind you that vfx , cinematography, and other similar Oscar Judges are truly industry experts and do know better than you plebs.

>>87094457
Nobody here is saying Nolan isn't a good director, and nobody here says that this DCU is better than Nolan's batman trilogy (I hope)

>>87094132
RT doesn't have their own critics and WB only owns like 20% of RT, as you well know shill

>>87094768
Nolan is a fine director horrible film maker

>>87095286

>Film maker

Filmmaker is a single word Snyder pajeet.

>>87073884
I'm so glad that BvS is starting to be recognized for it's greatness by the masses. What are some other movies that went unrecognized in their own times?

>>87095286
His movies ranges from good to great, so surely he isn't a horrible film maker.

The film is a lot of things. I don't think that Snyder wrote it as a metaphor for Muslims in America, especially that Trump wasn't president back then. In my opinion, the influences were (obviously) Arthurian Legends, Moby Dick, Bible etc. At the sime time, the film is so genial that it can be read many ways. It's showing post-9/11 trauma. It's a metaphor of liberal America. It's a metaphor of Trump America. Snyder created a masterpiece so powerful, it literally can be interpreted by anyone and in any way.

>>87095377
>starting to be recognized for it's greatness by the masses
Is it tho?

>>87095409
The seeds are starting to germinate Anon. It won't be this year or the next but one day soon BvS will be seen as the classic of cinema and Snyder will be seen for the uncompromising visionary he is.

>>87095377
I know of Citizen Kane (also a BvS inspiration - Rosebud=Martha) and Scarface.

>>87073884
Where were you when Trump saved the DCEU?

Can't stop winning lads.

>>87095481
I think you just live in a small bubble here on /tv/. People I know IRL all think it's terrible and some of them even refuses to see it because of the bad reviews. People who like it starts off by apologizing its flaws if they talk about the movie and so on. Everyone just "know" that it's a bad movie. And it's all because of that 27%. Still I'd like to get more answers on my main point (I'm OP), why the hell is it so much disliked? I understand how the critics would think that it's a movie with issues, like the pacing and some scenes that doesn't work too well. But 27%? That's worse than fucking daredevil. It's so low that it's ridiculous. I have no idea where they take that level of disapproval from.

>>87095641
Whops, I'm not OP, I was op in a similar thread, this is the wrong thread.

>>87095481
>>87095508

It will always recognized as a meme tier garbage.

>>87095641
>Normies think meta critic matter
You're the one who lives in a bubble. A bubble of Reddit.

>>87085061
This thread

>>87076886
What a disloyal bitch
Never trust the Jews man

>>87095674
Never been on reddit. I live in real life, which is not a bubble.

So we hate BvS now right?

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Don't worry normies will start hating him again once he starts working on The Fountainhead, his magnum opus.

>>87078862
>Radioshack

F. Looks like he won't be making that company great again.

>>87079229
No the President is the guy on the left.

>It's a pseudo-/pol/ thread
getting really tired of this shit now, you guys need to fuck off back to the 'dit

>>87094132

No. I am just saying what I saw after reading critics reviews. And they wanted more from WB. More ass kissing, better gift bags, something. Whenever critics feel slighted, they shut down and trash whoever has become their new target. I don't really buy into the Disney shill narrative. But when they speak openly of their distaste for how they were treated, it's pretty fucking clear what's going on

Which is not to say they would be given glowing reviews. But you can bet they would have been way more forgiving, the way they are with Disney who has long known how to baby the arrogant pricks