Dune

>>87033561
This movie blew me alway. I was amazed that something this insane could have been made. The movie was bold. It took chances, it respected the audience.

Its not a perfect movie, but its way better then any cape shit, rouge one, GOT shit that we have to sit through today.

Just read the novel. Film is a mess.

>>87033561
you loved it

>>87033561
I'm more interested if that game has been updates. You know the one.

>tfw there will NEVER EVER be a large budget high quality produced Dune miniseries

its the book that is perfect for a GOT multiple season series.

I thank God that jorodowsky never got his made, that would have killed scifi dead.

>>87033859
>HBO makes a many series and fucks it up worse the David Lynch.

HBO would turn it into a porno fan service mess that GoT currently is. Just be happy the 1984 movie is not that bad.

>>87033561
It was great. There is no way outside of a LOTR trilogy that you could do the story justice, but they did the best they could. Also, Virginia Madsen.

>>87033998
Shotime? Starz?

>>87034051
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZD99X_S7SA

retards back then though the fucking level 3 guild member was a fucking alien, even after watching this. I never even read the books.

>>87034089
>>87033995
Syfi Channel made a mini serious back in 2001. It was ok. But the actors, music, and special effects all sucked dick. The screen play was good though.

It will never be made. People would expect a GoT porno fest and fan service garbage.

The movie got the tone of the book down perfect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJsYKhEV6o0

>>87034267
when they replayed it before the Dune Messiah/Children of Dune miniseries, i had basically ran a mini workshop for my roommates where Puerto rican drug dealer hoodlums. they and their friends all loved that series.

>>87034267
I cant find it on exodus so I might torrent it. Ive heard great things about it though

>>87033561
Honestly it got me to read the books. I was mesmerized by the start. If you watch it after reading the book you'll be hugely disappointed but if you watch it before it's a really entertaining and unique movie.

>>87034657
I never read the book. But I did read LOTR and can understand how sometimes its not possible to even adapt a book to film.

I might be wrong when I say this, but the 1984 dune is probably the best adaptation tonally that the book will ever get.

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Yes, but who will play Lady Jessica in the reboot?

I kinda like it for the sheer spectacle. The most I remember outside of floating fat men scenes is how many scenes bored me (constant inner monologues, the movie).

The book shares the problem that Paul is a very dull protagonist. The movie at least holds off on his "lol insta-win" powers until towards the end. Whereas in the book, it's much earlier and makes the rest of the story a dry, foregone conclusion. It's probably heretical to sci-fi nerds but the book did not impress me, other than its first third, which was genuinely exciting.

Back to the movie. I kinda like and respect it, but it's a mess. The assembly cut is also a mess which I never finished because IT WAS EVEN MORE BORING. I recommend at least one watch, because there are moments that are really worth it.

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>>87035713

>>87033561
Someone post the sandworm riding scene it's the only part i remember and it has one of the best pieces of music in a movie

>>87035713
Is this a meet and fuck game from newgrounds or something?

The movie did this weird thing where all the characters would give a little monologue to start / finish a scene to give the story a 'push' to help things along. I see why they did that, but it really detracts from the film.

how to dune:
read first book
read wikipedia synopses on the next five books
stop forever

The audiobook for dune is amazing by the way. James Earl Jones plays Baron Harkonen.
Inb4 read the book
Ive read the book.

>>87036108
>read wikipedia synopses on the next five books
I did this, and thought to myself "how could these books get so fucking retarded?"

>>87036210
just imagine what the retards like me that actually read all six thought

>>87036007
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj7R_2WWdKs

>>87036065

http://davidgoujard.com/elements/BehindTheDune.swf

>>87036260
Thanks

The movie was fucking terrible but I still loved it.


I went in without any perspective or expectations and actually had the thought "wow critics probably fucking hated this" and to my surprise they echoed my thoughts about specific scenes I will not spoil you for your pleasure.

I liked both the movie and the book, the movie has some sick riffs

>>87036248
>DUDE and then he becomes a worm and lives for 3000 years LMAO

>>87036108
Pleb. Everything after God Emperor is amazing. The only weak book is Children.

>>87036459
i bet you watch arthouse

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>>87033708
>implying that novel wasn't anything other than autistic science babble and political nonsense

>>87036108
Fuck off, God Emperor was a masterpiece and even rivals the original.

>>87036007
>and it has one of the best pieces of music in a movie
I had the most bad-ass dream that I was in the red army and tasked with setting up scientific equipment to document a nuclear test in Siberia to that music.

>tfw the nuke went off right when the music peaks

>>87036210

the novels written by frank herbert were awesome for me. the one written by his son supposedly "based on notes found after his death" was utterly retarded.

>>87036108

the movies were ok. the first movie was what got me to read the novels.

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>>87036492
We can't stop here this is worm country!

>>87036538
The Brian Herbert books are some of the worst books I've ever read. I don't mean just storywise, but writing style, and everything.

>>87036569
S P I C E D

MAUD DIB

>>87036260
This is terrible. What was Lynch thinking?

>>87033708
A beautiful mess

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>>87036108
>read first book
How about you skip it altogether and read some actual worthwhile literature instead?

>>87036717
what, harry potter?

>>87036586
>writing style, and everything

totally agree.

>>87035886
>It's probably heretical to sci-fi nerds but the book did not impress me, other than its first third, which was genuinely exciting.
this
Dune isn't actually very good. The basic premise is nice but the plot just isn't that interesting and most of the worldbuilding seems to be mostly having weird names for things.

>>87036309
>I will not spoil you for your pleasure.
Nigga the movie is like 30 years old.

>>87037597
The space-politics is pretty cool too

>>87037988
just watch logh :)

>>87033561
You thought the first half was a phenomenol piece of sci-fi space opera but also acknowledge that the second half is rushed beyond repair. The impact of the ending is lost on you as the build up to it feels so rushed which makes you sad.

However, you want to watch a directors cut that fits Lynch's original vision (never going to happen though).

>>87036717
This list is retarded

>>87033561
Twin Peaks redditors "discovering" Dune.
Terrible movie but I guess people that grew up on videogames and capeshit will love it.

>>87038153
Sorry, we just know how not to get LYNCHED

>>87038305
Shoo shoo, back to your general where you can whine about GOT and spam CUTE! images and DAVID LUNCH lol

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>>87038111
There's a reason why it seems that way.

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>>87036073
It's based on the book where the characters' inner thoughts are revealed to the reader. It gives important background information but could honestly be done better, as much as I love the book.

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>>87036309
>The movie was fucking terrible but I still loved it.
I feel exactly the same way

>>87036073
>>87038516

the main characters are bene gesseritt or trained in bene gesseritt ways (like paul atreides) and one of the most powerful (or useful) skills of the bene gesseritt is detecting minutiae that normal humans cannot like the slight quiver at the corner of your eye or the imperceptible (to non-bene-gesseritt-trained people) slant in the room walls indicating it's designed to funnel sound to a vent allowing someone to listen in.

all these observations which are important to the plot (it allows them to determine the person they're talking to is hiding something or that the room they're talking in is being monitored by non-electronic means) is internal monologue.

the first movie tried to show the bene gesseritt ability (an ability acquired through a combination of bene gesseritt training techniques) of the reverend mother to listen in on a conversation between the emperor and a guild envoy who were talking several rooms away. but i misinterpreted that scene and thought she had telepathic powers. i don't know if i was the only one who thought that. those who've read the novel before watching the film would not, of course.

movie is dogshit but i like it

>>87036717
>Ayn Rand
Absolutely garbage list.

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>>87035713
>Yes, but who will play Lady Jessica in the reboot?
>mfw every Dune thread moving forward will inevitably (d)evolve into a Behind The Dunes discussion.

I want to talk Dune.
But I also kind of want to see the smugglers tits.

>>87033561
Which version did you marathon? 9/10 mentats agree that the optimal version to watch is the Spicediver fan edit.

>>87033561
>tfw "marathoning" a single movie...

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>>87035713
WHY THE FUCK DO ALL WOMEN IN EVERY GOOD PORN PARODY HAVE MASSIVE TITS, DO YOU AUTISTS ACTUALLY ENJY THIS!!!! I WANT MY ON MODEL HENTAI AND PORN GAMES WITH REALISTIC BODIES NOW!!!!!

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>>87043040
I-I do that too. Years of sitting in front of the screen have reduced my attention span to roughly 15-20 minutes...

>>87033561
I've spoken to Lynch about this before, not joking, he said it was his biggest regret because he didn't get final cut. He seems to be really bitter about it even to this day.

>>87043379
He Alan Smithee'd it right?

>>87043476
pizzagate is now hacking your packets

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>>87036717
> ayn rand

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I hope there will never be a remake. Kyle is the perfect Paul.

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>>87043713
I-I dont remember this from a movie.

>>87043767

not that anon. i think that's from a different movie.

>>87043713

i would like a remake but this time they stick with the age of the novel character. paul was teenager. also, paul's son was boy in novel (except in next novel which is set thousands of years afterwards).

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reminder

>>87044810
>Dune + Rome = Game of Thrones

False.
Dune and Rome were both spectacular. Game of Thrones is professional wrestling for people who think they're too smart for professional wrestling.

>>87043476
He tried I think, but you've got to prove your case to the director's guild to get the ability to take your name off something.

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>>87044810
>Dune features based Ian McNeice
>Is fantastic

how the fuck do you marathon 1 movie?

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>>87044810
>Rome features based Ian McNeice
>Is fantastic

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>>87044810
>Game of Thrones is devoid of based Ian McNeice
>Is garbage.

>>87044810

It's more like Dune + LotR = GoT

GoT author did plagiarize several things from Dune:
- Faceless Ones who are assassins who can change faces are copied from Face Dancers who are also assassins who can change faces. GoT author was even too lazy to think up of a different name.
- A child of House Stark is Green Seer who can see past present future is a copy of a child of House Atreides who is Kwisatz Haderach who can see past present future.
- Dothraki who are desert warriors made up of clans led by khal and advised by Mothers and who Jaime Lannister described as terrifyingly good warriors are copied from Fremen who are desert warriors made up of tribes led by a naib and advised by Reverend Mother and who are described as terrifyingly good warriors
- House Stark whose leader had to leave Winterfell because King asked and whose leader's death was orchestrated by Lannister is copied from House Atreides whose leader had to leave Caladan because Emperor ordered and whose leader's death was orchestrated by Corrino. An anon who read the books even said House Stark were physically described in the same way the Atreides were physically described in terms of facial features.
- House Lannister richest house in Westeros who becomes head of empire and whose child is married to House Stark's child is copied from House Corrino biggest shareholder in CHOAM richest House in Imperium who is head of empire and whose child is married to House Atreides' child.

>>87045257

OP probably meant the first Dune movie plus the later mini-series.

>>87045319
>>87045290
>>87045255
You're a genius.

>>87045257
>>87045755
You should probably step up your meme game.

>>87045692
Not to mention the blatant Kwisatz Haderach rip-off of Azor Ahai

>>87045889

The similarity between Azor Ahai and Kwisatz Haderach is that they're both the PromisedOne/ChosenOne/Saviour/Messiah which is also found in several scifi books and in fantasy as well. I think the Green Seer is the rip-off of the Kwisatz Haderach since they both can see past present future and they both can control others via warging (Green Seer) and Voice (Kwisatz Haderach).

>>87045755
>>87045814
fack i only thought there was the books and 1 movie. never posted in a dune thread. will have to considering checking out.

>>87046109
>>87045889

Maybe Azor Ahai is Bran. And there will be a scene where Bran shows his power as Azor Ahai and Arya proclaims to assembled people "How can this be? For he is the Azor Ahai!"

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>>87045692
These are pretty good.
I'll add to the list maesters, which parallel mentats.
Maesters are highly trained doctors, advisors, logicians, astronomers, and record keepers and they maintain the Raven communication network. They are sworn to serve the realm and usually remain neutral during conflicts.
Mentats are highly trained human computers who act as advisors for the various factions in the Dune universe, performing advanced calculations, handling systems and logic problems, and storing data. While they are sworn to serve a particular faction, their skills are valuable enough for their lives to be spared (when possible) during military conflicts.

>>87043767
it's from nsfw cut lynch kept for his personal use

>>87046119

the mini-series more faithfully portrayed the novel. for some reason though i like the first Dune movie compared to the mini-series. i like the novels best (over the films) so i'm confused why i would prefer the movie that's not so faithful to the source material.

>>87033708
The movie is a guilty pleasure. To be honest, you can't really adapt all of what the book(s) are about in a single film. It did well with what it could, and introduced some neat ideas, like the sonic weapons, which are almost a staple of Dune now. It could have been better, and I think Lynch mistakenly gives himself too hard a time about it. It's fun.

>>87046296
Because 'accuracy' to a source doesn't lead to something of actual quality - and that's all the mini-series has over the movie

>>87046217

I thought Maesters were rip-off of Ixians but you're absolutely correct. Each House in Westeros has a Maester providing knowledge/info and advice to the head of the House. Each Major House in the Imperium has a Mentat providing knowledge/info and advice to the head of the House.

I thought of Ixians because Ixians provide technology while a maester provide the anti-dragon weapon to Cersei.

>>87046296
well the movie was for sure weird as fuck, but with got now dead, hulu being worthless and cucktube content melding together I am dying for something to watch.

>>87043713
>I hope there will never be a remake.

They're making a new movie directed by Denis Villeneuve.

Fortunately, he's a really good director and a personal fan of the material.

>>87046363

the internal monologues and the bene gesseritt's petit minutiae skill are difficult to portray on-screen. maybe lynch got grief from novel fans who wanted a more faithful portrayal (this is just speculation from me i haven't read anything that indicates this) and maybe that's why lynch regretted the film.

i'm curious why he added the sonic weapons.

>>87046743
I think about Blade Runner when internal monologues come up. It was an afterthought and it was believed there was too much silent pondering in the film, or watchers wouldn't understand what was going on without some explanation. Now most look at the directors cut, without monologues, as the superior version. I think both of these movies set some ground work for what works and what doesn't, so it's a little unfair that Dune gets a bad rep for it. Lynch tried something new. Not a big deal. Dune is just too complicated to not have some sort of explanation, especially in a 2-3 hour movie.

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Hey, redux or original, what do you think is the better one?

>>87036492
>implying that novel wasn't anything other than autistic science babble and political nonsense

so how many times have you read it? did you fap over the descriptions of the Baron Harkonnen?

>>87046743
>i'm curious why he added the sonic weapons.
To save time, avoid having to describe prana bindu training, and the ecological and social issues that make the fremen (and sardaukar) such good fighters.
Plus no knife fight choreography needed. Just dudes yelling magic words from their gun.

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>>87042995
>the optimal version to watch is the Spicediver fan edit.

is that the one with the half-hour intro made up of really blurry crayon art with subtitles explaining the setting? i thought that was horrible.

> at least nobody's mentioned fucking Jodorowsky yet

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>>87047123
>Dune is just too complicated to not have some sort of explanation, especially in a 2-3 hour movie.

Dune would really only work in series format if you ask me. Mini-series did a much better job without cutting out too much. Now imagine what a proper season worth could do.

>>87046109
I think the difference is, unless GRRM has some masterpiece twist planned up his sleeve, Herbert did MUCH more with the concept. Going from the premise that initial Kwisatz Haderach was a fake, not to mention also toying with ideas of messiahs, failures, and such.

>>87047971
>Going from the premise that initial Kwisatz Haderach was a fake

what do you mean? paul was not a true kwisatz haderach because his son was? but they're both kwisatz haderachs. there were at least three others after them: the tleilaxu one, the last duncan idaho and miles teg.

>>87047741
It has a prologue using production art and things like that, it's supposed to be in the context of being one of paul's text books.
I really like the spice diver edit, but I'd recommend watching the theatrical and director's cuts first.

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Just remember that, no matter what, Dunecat loves you.

>>87036717
>Great Gatsby
>Ayn Rand
Could someone explain these two choices to me?

>>87047874
The problem is that it's a product of its medium. Dune is very much a literary work and any direct adaptation isn't going to work. 99% of Dune is either a character's delivering soliloquy and monologues about tangentially related issues, and almost all the "action" happens between pages.
I've always said it would adapt to the stage better than screen.

>>87049394
>Could someone explain these two choices to me?
Its b8.
Old b8.
And you took it.
Shame on you!

>>87035886
He doesn't have instant win powers you fucking idiot.

>>87033561
I read Dune and I remember some page where Lady Jessica drank the Water of Life and she saw all the previous Reverend Mothers. Also she could move the water molecules not to die from the poison, what the fuck was that? I was like 14 year old so I was like "What the fuck man holy crap this is too weird".

How could you adapt that to a film? I still like the Lynch one, pretty good.

>>87049309

i loves you too dunecat

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to all the faggots ITT:

Imagine if Dune would have been the cultural phenomenon and not Star Wars shit.
Kyle MacLachlan and Sean Young would have been the iconic superstars instead of that old, pants shitting DUDE WEED LMAO Harrison Ford and that coke head Carrie Fisher.
George Lucas would have been a drunkard hobo on the streets, reeking of piss and shit and everyone would have been making fun of how retarded and goofy Star Wars is.

We are living in the worst dimension in the worst timeline of the worst universe.

>>87049519
The reverend mother transforms the water of life into a drug taken by the members of the sietch where they then engage in a giant orgy as their individual consciousnesses begin bleeding into one another.
The old reverend mother then shares her accumulated lifetimes with jessica (and her unborn child) before the old reverend mother dies.
But yes, that's a great part of the book. I like the description of seeing down an infinite corridor and seeing all of her female ancestors there looking back. I always saw it as a hall of mirrors effect, or like a recursive picture. I always imagined the painting of whistler's mother that has a painting of whistler's mother on the wall that has a smaller portrait of whistler's mother, ad infinitum.
Dune has some legitimate literary aspirations which sets it above a lot of other genre fiction.

>>87049971
also could've been what Game of Thrones is today, had HBO picked it up

>>87036379
Thanks for spoiling, harkonnen scum

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>>87049396
>I've always said it would adapt to the stage better than screen

I got you famalam.

>>87051205
I must be a culturefag cause i want to see that

>>87051551
Anon, my son. You are patrician now.

>>87033859
There's an upcoming big budget Dune movie by the director of Arrival and Blade Runner 2.

>>87045257
It's a retarded /tv/ meme.

>>87045257
they watch it at 1.5x speed while only half paying attention to it and doing something else on another monitor

>>87045692
Wow. I read the first GoT book and thought this could not become any shittier.
Guess I was wrong.

Martin is such a lazy fatass.

>>87033561
It was shit. Watch the scifi tv specials for kino.

>>87051205
brrrrrraaaaaaappppppp

Dune is an all time top 10 GOAT sci fi movie.

I never read the books so I give zero fucks about what they left out.

The set design was GOAT and the cast was the next level beyond GOAT.

The mini series was unwatchable shit though.

>>87035713
>tell /weg/ that there needs to be a dune porn game
>one sprouts up shortly after
i became an ideas guy without even meaning to

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>>87036717
>The Great Gatsby and Anus Bland in God tier
Oh my

>>87051086
I didnt say who becomes the worm, powindah
:^)

>>87036538
>the one written by his son
They actually turned "dune 7" into two books. Two awful, boring, painful to read books. And only after doing two whole prequel trilogy with dogshit OC DONUT STEEL characters.
All supposedly from "notes" found on a floppy disk in an old desk. I don't doubt that this file does exist, but I suspect its a loose outline at best.
I refuse to believe that the final conclusion in his vision was that humanity needed a SUPER-kwitzah hederach after spending six books explaining why it was such a bad idea.

>>87047741
s-s-shut up anon, the hundred men shitting scene would be kino.

This film is horrible. Lynch is just not cut out to direct this kind of material. The 80s high school tier drama Lynch relies on doesn't really work in a Messianic sci-fi space opera.

>>87053823
>Falling for b8 this old
Stop!

Judy?

>>87054443
Jordorowsky was right though. You can't really do a satisfying translation to screen, so do your own thing. Keep the themes and messages, but adapt them in a new and interesting (or at least personal) way.

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>Tfw a pleb thinks Jodorowsky's dune would have been good
>spic didn't even read the book

>>87051205
That looks pretty awesome.

>>87033652
This tbqh

>>87033561
It was good until they montage throught what should have been a whole act of the movie. I watched a 3 hour edit and this movie still felt like it was missing and hour. That child actress was also awful.

Still it had a lot of interesting ideas an great designs. I don't regret watching it.

>>87054645
It is the ultimate Dune viewing experience. No dialogue. No narration. Pure, unadulterated Spice.

>>87036492
>implying you read it

Leto II did nothing wrong.

>>87033561
I like most about it. Even the internal monologuing. Cringy maybe, but far less so than having every character constantly explain their thoughts out loud. And the aesthetic was 10/10. I think even Herbert himself said that the movie was the definitive visual representation of the setting.

>>87056428
It's interesting that dance is brought up several times throught the books as a pure form of communication.

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>>87033561

Flawed but I like it.

>tfw dvd is scratched to shit

>>87058526
>the aesthetic was 10/10
Whatever else you want to say about the movie you can't deny the fantastic sets, costumes, and cast. Lynch's movie definitely informs my vision of the novels.

>>87033561
>Marathoned a movie.

I have lived long enough to know I have lived too long. Peace out!

>>87054615
it would have been awesome and you're the pleb with no imagination. also he's a european jew but whatever youre an idiot.

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>>87061474
theyre showing the documentary here next month gona go see it again fuck yea

>>87043379
Yes his biggest regret and one he has consistently turned down offers to be able to put right.

>>87033561
You did.

>>87061856
I think that he had some excellent concerpt art, but it's way too nonsensical, especially for Dune. Jodorowsky didn't want to make Dune, he wanted to make an excuse for an LSD trip movie. The man was going to pay Salvador Dali 100K for a minute of screen time.

>>87054424
Not to mention having him merge with machines and making the Butlerian Jihad a bog standard robot war.

Question is, can you make Dune now without turning it into a parable. Herbert's interests were in ecology and false messiahs.

If you wrote it today it would seem a bit near the knuckle. Muslim tribes running around a desert jihading imperialists who want to take natural resource needed for transportation. Led by the son of a great House who has gone native. One group of Imperalists are fat and gluttonous, the other group of Imperialists are a tired Empire fading into irrelevance.

It seems like it would either be a political film or they'd avoid it altogether. Either response is wrong I think.

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>>87033561
My father took me to see this life changing movie when I was 8.

They handed out a one sheet of terminology at the door to the theater. Did I obsess over this for years to come? Yes.

There was a radio documentary about Princess Diana on last week. In the background they had the 'prophecy theme' from the Dune soundtrack playing in the background which gave the whole thing a rather strange feel.

Find a flaw. Whoever did the casting worked really hard on this.
Kyle McLachlan plays a wooden and somewhat boring character so nothing wrong there, I also liked in Sting in it. The Police were the biggest band in the world at the time but in retrospect its not the stunt casting it looked like at the time, he does a good job.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjJPjAkLXS8

>>87036538
Read this (out of print and will never be in print again). The "notes written before his death" were written with this guy while Frank was still alive. The estate moved in and gave it to idiot son.

http://www.joshmillard.com/misc/DUNE_ENCYCLOPEDIA.pdf

>>87062121
>It seems like it would either be a political film or they'd avoid it altogether. Either response is wrong I think.
Dune is very political though. It does a really good job of peeling back the vaneer of it all to show that its just a power game of the highest level. Politics and religion are just tools used to control people.
It's about ecology, but ecology is about economics.

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>Fucking D-girl abomination!
>Excuse me? Excuse me, i'm a vice president! You fucking asshole!

>>87062992
Sure, Politics with a capital P I mean.

Paul isn't Osama Bin Laden, Dune isn't Afghanistan/Iraq, Spice isn't oil, CHOAM isn't OPEC, the Faydakyn aren't the Mujaheddin etc. but still.

I assume Frank was thinking about Laurence of Arabia as much as anything but the idea of tribes carrying out guerilla warfare from the desert and stabbing people while yelling about jihad has changed complexion a bit in the intervening years.

>>87033561
It's not perfect but I'm happy with what we got

Alan Smithy kino

>>87063606
Heres another thought, the criticism of Islam that reformists themselves make is now the same one Paul makes of himself in Dune Messiah: we're fucked because the Messiah was a warlord and not a man of peace.

Its an interesting thought culturally and thematically, do you think they'd be allowed to explore it?

A lot of Dune has interesting analogies to the present situation but they suffer from being so close they could be misinterpreted as direct representations.

>>87051205

>women

always looking for any opportunity to display their butt

>no The Stars My Destination movie yet

fucking hell.

>>87038540
As someone who was raised as a Jehovah's Witness, this always makes me chuckle.

>>87036108
pleb.

The following books expand and subvert the themes of the original in interesting ways.

Dune was framed as a coming of age adventure story but its about so much more and the sequels explore these ideas more.

>>87062978

i have a copy of the encyclopedia and i enjoyed reading it. the son probably did not read it (maybe because it's so thick and it's not a single story, it's really an encyclopedia-style book with entries/articles in alphabetical order) because the son's novels blatantly contradicted several entries in the encyclopedia. the encyclopedia was fun to read because it expanded and gave more detail to frank herbert's dune universe without contradicting anything written by frank herbert.

>>87062333
That's great that you kept it.

>>87062607
shiit Sean Young was Chani?

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>>87033561

yes

>>87065246
>>87062978

also, i think the "notes found after his death" was not the encyclopedia. at least that's the impression i got. i do not believe though there were any actual notes. it's become a fad for famous writers the suddenly have "notes written before his death and found after funeral". as i said, the encyclopedia did not contradict frank's novels. however, i feel the son's novels made a major contradiction with frank's last novel. in frank's last novel it was very clear that the two who were observing idaho and the bene gesseritt were face dancers who have absorbed so many that they've evolved beyond their tleilaxu masters. whether their abilities (to observe and capture no-ships) is due to their gaining kwisatz haderach abilities or due to advanced tech acquired from the scattering is uncertain but i think it's advanced tech. in the son's novels they're now robots.

>>87033652
>it respected the audience.
by handling translation pamphlets?

>>87054424
>>87062062

personally i doubt the existence of the file because several dead authors suddenly have "notes written before death and found after funeral" happen and i think it's just a publisher ploy to sell more novels.

the tolkien notes i believe in. i think a publisher got the idea to do a "tolkien" and claim his dead author left notes and other publishers liked the idea and started claiming their author left notes. i know i heard of at least 2 other authors that this happened to but i can't remember their names. i think asimov was one.

i agree about the super-kwisatz-haderach. it was very obvious that frank's vision/solution was for humanity to become invisible to kwisatz haderachs and to scatter. and it was implied that the enemy the honored matres were retreating from were not robots but renegade face dancers who used advanced drones (which was referred to in the god emperor's vision) to aid in hunting honored matres.

i do not consider the son's novels a part of the dune universe. to me, they're just badly written amateur fiction written by someone who did not actually read the novels.

>>87065786
The novel has a similar thing printed at the end

>>87065455
Yep. Go watch it now!

>>87033561
One of the wrose adaptations of a book ever.

>>87033561
THE TOOTH
THE TOOTH
THE TOOTH
the tooth

>>87065455
>Tell me of your home world, Usul.
Hnnng.

>>87036717
honestly, atlas shrugged is tom clancy-level shit.

actually, tom is kind of cool. its more like john grisham stuff.

>>87066422
This. Tolkein was known to be an iceberg of writing, and a lot of his underpublished stuff was seen or published but not at a massmarket level. (Well before the Hobbit, Tolkein had writte the single most important modern reconsideration of Beowulf, which is widely credited with laying the foundation for modern fantasy literature, and connects to things CS Lewis had written about "the story itself" as opposed to morals or speculative anthropology.)
The Herbert posthumous books sound nothing like Frank Herbert in tone or intellect and sometimes contradict canon. Even when they do not they are just insufferably bad.
When we finally get to see the origin of the Atreides-Harkonnen split (of course it has to have a specific novelesque origin, it can't just be a cynical power struggle), we get this dialogue from a petulant sixteen year old girl breaking up with her boyfriend:
"You failed me at the moment I needed you most. Never again will I look upon your face. This I swear: From this day forth, let all who bear the name Atreides spit on the name of Harkonnen!"
—Vorian Atreides, Dune: The Battle of Corrin

>>87063853
This is a weak point. Post-IX/XI kids cannot understand how exotic, irrelevant and unknown were the Jawas in the seventies. Reading Dune after some university level courses in Islamic history and jurisprudence leaves you wincing, "Then the space-Ghazzis rode forth from the space-Hijaz on a space-Jihad, commanded by the space-Raisul to kill the space-Faranj and establish the space-Ummah ..."

>>87051205
>that dune
>rhythmic vibrations
>summoning shai-hulud
>blessed be that little money maker

>>87033561
Yes. You thought that, although it badly butchered the novel and added idiotic things like voice cannons, and it pretty much totally failed to put across the novel's criticisms of religion and of hero narratives, the movie was worthwhile because of the awesome soundtrack, the set design, and the interestingly mystic portrayal of far future psychedelic superhumans.

>>87064251
yes. its called display behavior.

>>87043476
Common misunderstanding. Lynch is still credited as the director of the original cut and in fact takes responsibility for the way the film is.
HOWEVER, a few years after the original release, they broadcasted a special "extended cut" on TV. It doesn't really add much except the opening was redone a bit longer and they sprinkled in some extra shots throughout the film to pad the running time. Lynch had nothing to do with the extended cut and didn't even know they were making one. Once it came out, he got pissed and demanded that the extended cut be Alan Smithee'd.

>>87070320
The padded cut makes no sense and repeats sequences (the Guild ship entering the capital is repeated to show the Reverend Mother approaching Caladan, which makes as much sense as Chewbacca living on Endor). It manages to be harder to follow and to gratuitously repeat or over-exposit things, like the Emperor musing that the reason for the Guild visit must be the only resource mentioned, although its significance beyond frequently mentioning it remains obscured. How do you extend it and show nothing of the Herbert "ghetto hypothesis" in the Saudarkar backstory (accelerated evolution by artificially toughened living circumstances)?

>>87063606
>I assume Frank was thinking about Laurence of Arabia as much as anything
He absolutely did. Dune is really weird in that you can excise the real world influences cleanly from it.
Be it the newspaper article about anchoring sand dunes with grass, him living in egypt as a child, jesuit influences, the list goes on.
Spice isn't explicitly oil, but it describes hydraulic despotism, if you control the only source for a life sustaining substance then you're at the top of the ziggurat.

>>87036275
thanks anon

>>87065745
If I remember right the son and his co-writer eventually dropped pretenses and said their works were "inspired" by Frank's leftover notes. So they did just go with their own thing.

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>>87069501
>"You failed me at the moment I needed you most. Never again will I look upon your face. This I swear: From this day forth, let all who bear the name Atreides spit on the name of Harkonnen!"

Fug. I read that trilogy back in highschool (2004). I forgot how bad it was.

>>87071711
I remember how they would pad out each chapter by recapping everything that had happened previously, including things that happened two chapters ago.

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>>87061612
>theyre showing the documentary here next month gona go see it again fuck yea
Where is "here"?
I've already seen the doc, but I might attend a public screening just for some IRL dune bantz.

>>87071711
I think my personal reminder of what bad material it is, is when it took the brief mention from the original books that the Old Duke Atreides died in a bullfight and that Leto kept the bulls head as a trophy that travelled with the House wherever it moved. It's brief point was just to tell what kind of man the Old Duke was, since Leto, Gurney etc all felt Paul was like him more than anyone.

The prequel books showed the bullfight, and turned the bull into some kind of raging alien mutant super-bull, which was further roided up by a Bene Gesserit plot to kill the Duke or something.

It's such shit.

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Righteous??!

>>87062333
Thats awesome

>>87071931
>padding to make novel seem longer

the first thing i noticed when i started reading the son's sequel novel was that the font was unusually large. i guess they did that to fill more pages and make the book novel-thick. lol

>>87071540

they probably had to when people started calling them out.

>>87069501
>a petulant sixteen year old girl breaking up with her boyfriend

jeezus shaihulud christ! that's something you would expect from teengirl novels like the hunger games not from a dune novel. in frank's novels the atreides never felt passionate hatred for the harkonnens only contempt. it was the harkonnens who hate the atreides but it was envious hatred not teengirl-passion-angst hatred. i very much prefer the dune encyclopedia's backstory.

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>>87072412
There is a Harkonnen among you.

>>87038019
fuck, just got to this thread, started reading and some motherfucker namedrops this. I want some space politics bullshit to watch or read... guess I will end up watching logh

>>87072967
They actually went back and wrote novels that happen during and between the dune books where they state outright that the original dune book is in universe propaganda and is not cannon.

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>>87073205
>they state outright that the original dune book is in universe propaganda and is not canon.

>>87073205

the publishers are worse than harkonnen scum. frank's novels (and the encyclopedia) was and will always be the true canon. everything else are non-canon slig garbage. they are not even fan fiction. fan fic are at least respectful of the source material.

>>87073474
>>87073286
Brian Herbert allegedly hated his father (not entirely without reason) and these books have been his way of milking his dad's legacy as he drives it into the ground.

>>87073756
>hated his father (not entirely without reason)

haven't heard that. do you know why? i'm guessing frank told him truthfully that he's not cut out to be a writer and to do something else. i suspect brian's co-authors does all of the writing and they just add his name because of the herbert name.

didn't brian do a co-author with frank when frank was still alive? or was it published after frank's death?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm4E4umP9Qc

literally best thing about the movie

>>87073898
He used to strap his kids to polygraph machines.

>>87074188

fook. i thought you were trolling but googled and ... and ... i don't want to know more. my heart was crushed when i found out frank herbert hated rock music. i can't take anymore of this. gonna just shut it all out and recite the litany over and over.

>>87070697
Yeah it was really made to trick people into sitting through a bunch of commercials. Lynch had every right to Smithee the extended cut

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>>87034117
>you will never gorge on so much galactic lsd that you turn into an abomination that can warp space with your mind

why live?