Lets settle this once and for all /tv/. Is he breathing Ice or Fire?

>>87020063
Ice AND fire
>Bravo DnD

>breath ice at wall made of ice
>it collapses

>>87020063
It's just blue fire. Do you think he's breathing molten ice to melt away at a wall made out of ice?

>>87020063
He's breathing lightning nigga

>>87020063
Its blue fire which is even hotter than red

Vissy is going to tear Rheggy and Drogon a new one

>>87020097
Truly, this was a game of thrones.

>>87020063
Neither fire nor ice its a magical compound

TURN YOUR BRAIN OFF LOL

>>87020117
it was moving really fast though

>>87020063
he was breathing lightning you idiot

It's confirmed to be blue fire. Stop making these topics you imbecile.

frozen fire

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>>87020117

Well when Kelly C used Drogon to blow up the food supply line the breath had incredible ballistic force, it was literally hitting the ground like missile fire and sending shit flying hundreds of feet into the air.

So with that kind of kinetic impact regardless of whether it was Ice or Fire it would knock down a wall made of ice. So this really doesn't help settle this important question.

It's fire, also blue means it burns hotter than your standard orange, that's why it melts the wall so fast

You guys are dumb lol

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>>87020246
>frozen fire

It's force damage.

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>>87020298
Legend of Zelda would like a word

>>87020063
>>87020253

Would it melt steel beams?

Did anyone else think that his Listerine breath was bad CGI?

>>87020364

Given the obvious amount kinetic energy imparted by this breath in both examples I feel as though the steel beams would be sent flying in every direction before they could either melt or freeze respectively.

>>87020063
he's breathing songs

>>87020456

You're saying the breath is a sonic attack and the blue appearance is only cosmetic? It's an interesting theory.

>>87020298
that's what dragonglass is

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>a literal shot for shot remake

>>87020533
that is just a metaphor

He was breathing arcane

>>87020253
>was literally hitting the ground like missile fire and sending shit flying hundreds of feet into the air.
At the time I assumed it hit something that made it explode, but Westeros doesn't have gunpowder so you're probably right.

>>87020525
I mean it makes more sense than it being fire

Helps explain why he was moving so fast and the weird shrieks

>>87020063
Nah, just bad breath, bro!

>>87020533
Dragonglass is just obsidian. It's made by extreme heat, which is why you find it around volcanoes and why Dragonstone has so much of it.

>>87020627
I think it's some sort of kinetic thing, the flames are just a useful side effect. Like an incendiary bomb or something.

>>87020679
dragonglass is cooled lava, frozen fire

So he was breathing dragonglass?

Was that how dragon stone was made by zombie dragons?

>>87020764
dragonstone was made when your mother took a giant shit in blackwater bay

>>87020740
Do you think steel is frozen fire because it's cooled molten metal?

>>87020856
it's frozen metal

>>87020856
the maesters call dragonglass frozen fire in the books maybe you should read them

>>87020063
Having that dragon in motion with a woman on the back must've looked horrible.

>viserion has been dead for about a month
>he has holes in his wings already

really? fucking really?

>>87020063
Frostfire.
Hopefully the ice will freeze your flesh before the fire vaporizes it.

>>87020063
How would ice melt ice dummy? It's blue fire, which means his flame is even hotter than a regular dragon's.

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>>87020063

>>87021058
it's not from being dead, it's from getting fucked up by a magic ice spear that caused his combustion sack to explode

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>>87021145
>combustion sack

game of thrones was a mistake

>>87020063

I was fully expecting the wall to break off, crushing the night king's army and then it fades to black with the text: L O S T

>>87020679
>>87020679

Nothing is "just" anything in GoT you retard. The obsidian is obsidian, yes, but it has "magic" properties as well you cunt.

There's almost a perverse brilliance to how bad this show is. Even something as simple as, "what the fuck is coming out of that dragon's head" is beyond D&D's capacity for storytelling.

>>87020574
>Blizzard sues HBO
>we'll never know the end of the story

>>87021295
>wanting to be spoon fed every little detail right after the scene happens

>>87021295

You don't comprehend the glory of his work. Anything that doesn't make sense to your simpleton mind can be explained with a simple word. Magic. That's why most adults aren't in to "fantasy" unless it's fetish fuel normie shit like GoT.

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better question is what this fuck is THIS made of

>>87021295
The show is bad, but there's nothing contradictory about a blue fire breathing dragon brought back from the dead that has its stats buffed up.

>>87021378
Almost entirely hydrogen and helium

>>87020063
So, was it the something about the Dragon that negated the wall's magic, or was it just that they needed something something strong enough to knock the wall down? If it is the former, why didn't leaf or the Three Eyed Raven or Coldhands or SOMEBODY who knew about this kind of shit go to Bran and be like, "Hey, little dude. Like, not for nothin', but if Dragons happen to come back to life-- which they just did, which we knew about because we can see literally everything in the world with tree magic-- make sure you tell everyone to keep the Dragons away from the Wall. Dragons can really fuck that shit up, my dude."

Frostfire bolt duh

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>>87021295

All they needed was shot of Tormund yelling "It's cold!" or maybe a shot of a couple of random wildings getting hit by the breath and freezing in place like getting hit by Mr. Freeze's ice gun.

Wait so does it do ice damage or fire damage?

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>tfw no ashbreath dragon

>>87021621
1/3 fire, 1/3 frost and 1/3 song damage

>>87021465
Yeah, but the simple act of making the fire blue causes massive unnecessary confusion, which is currently being debated about all over the fucking internet. If it's fire, just make it look like fire. Or make it green if it needs to be fancy, we've already got an in story precedent for that. Making it blue, when it's an undead dragon brought back to life by ice zombies is going to make people think it's ice. Or Godzilla radiation. Or anything but fire.

>>87020172
Rheggy hasn't even grown anymore
he's like a big fruit bat at this point
he's going to die badly

why is there magic in my fantasy show about zombies and dragons wtfFFFF

>>87021694
>Making it blue, when it's an undead dragon brought back to life by ice zombies is going to make people think it's ice

Hahaha oh wow anyone who thinks it's ice is dumb, wait, do people actually think fire can only be one color? Literally light a candle and just look at the inner most flame, it's blue, and it's also the hottest part of the candle.

>State of the education system

Why would it be breathing ice?

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>>87020063
liquid nitrogen

>>87021544
>was it just that they needed something something strong enough to knock the wall down?
Seems so.

Raises some more questions since frost dragons are an actual thing in the far-north, which WW could have spear-revive-combo'd into service. Multiple even.

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When Azula used it it was still fire, just blue fire.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKYK7i-2CbA

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Viserion has two sides.

Friendliest most happy dragon you will ever meet.

AND TWISTED BLUE FIRE PSYCHOPATH

>>87021790
>Literally light a candle and just look at the inner most flame, it's blue, and it's also the hottest part of the candle.

Oh my god, he's right. Holy shit mind = blown XD

GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU RETARDED FUCKING NIGGER! NO ONE IS QUESTIONING THE FUCKING COLOR OF FIRE!

>Why would it be breathing ice?

You're right, that's so stupid. I mean, he was just killed by a race of ice demons, who's defining trait is that when they come around, everything in the environment freezes, with a giant icicle in a story called "A Song of ICE and Fire". Why in god's name I would think it would have anything to do with ICE IS FUCKING BEYOND ME! The only logical explanation is that when the Night King killed him, it made his fire breath hotter.

>>87020063
Truly, he's singing a song of ice and fire

>>87021790
It's blue for purely visual and symbolic reasons.

Stop being autistic.

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i think i figured it out

>>87020189
>not "Finally, I have won the Game of Thrones."

SHAME

>>87020063
It's frostfire retard

You know how when something is so cool it feels like burning?

>>87022164
Why would a dragon start breathing ice just cause it died? IF you used your head for like 2 seconds you'd realize that it came back with buffed stats ie much hotter blue flame, because that's what happens with the undead including the horses and giants. Don't blame your own stupidity on the writers.

>>87022281
No kidding, but why would anyone think it was actually breathing ice?

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>>87020097
>tfw the DABID hits

>>87020898
>caring what a bunch of medieval scholars think

>>87020063
steam

>>87020347
>red fire only melts blue ice
>blue fire only melts red ice

What the fuck was the idea here? Is red ice supposed to be hot?

>>87020063
Extra cold 'fire'. That's why it looks like something solid is smashing the ice wall.

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A lot of people are asking this question;

>https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/xww7pq/is-the-undead-dragon-on-game-of-thrones-spitting-dicyanoacetylene

>Some of the hottest flames harnessed by human engineering burn blue, such as oxyacetylene torches, which are used to weld and cut metal. The unusual color is sometimes derived from the chemical composition of the substance being combusted, but it's more often linked with increased oxygen flow to a flame.

>Oxygen is highly flammable, making gas molecules within a flame much hotter and more excitable. That in turn generates a blue tint. Compared with standard yellow flames, which burn at around 1,000 °C (1,800 °F), the hottest blue flames can reach temperatures of 4,000 °C (9,000 °F) when fed by the extremely combustible substance dicyanoacetylene.

>Perhaps in his resurrected wight form, Viserion gained some extra oxygenated dicyanoacetylene juice in his gullet that has shifted the composition, temperature, and hue of his flames.

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>>87022753
>cold fire

>>87022441
>because that's what happens with the undead including the horses and giants

What the fuck are you even talking about? >>>/v/

>>87022441
>No kidding, but why would anyone think it was actually breathing ice?

Why not? If it's breathing fire, and fire is one of two things in the whole fucking universe that kills wights, why is he not fucking dying from the inside out? Magic? Cool, but then why are you questioning whether or not the fire breathing dragon could magically be turned into an ice dragon by the physical manifestation of the concept of cold?

>>87022824
The term is called complete combusion. IIRC for every one unit of gas you burn you need ten units of oxygen. Carbon monoxide is what gives off the yellow flame look because the gas was burned incomplete.

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>>87020063
using Nazi scientists they captured during the battle of the Fist of the First Men, the white walkers constructed Westeros's first jet engines. The walkers then lured the silver haired bitch into a trap, a trap to get a vessel for their new jet engine. After dragging the dead dragon up to the surface, they placed the new prototype jet engine in the throat of the beast. The dragon's natural fire breath fuels the jet engine to shoot out a more deadly blue fire.
>>thought this was common knowledge desu senpai

>>87022441
>why would anyone think it was actually breathing ice?

NORMIES OUT RIGHT FUCKING NOW!

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Ice_dragons

>>87023029
Wights are stronger than humans you idiot. With that logic, an undead dragon would be stronger and have much hotter flames than a live one. For a show that has so many inconsistencies, this isn't one of them.

>>87023224
Why would ice melt ice?

>>87020574
BRAN MY SON

>>87023395
Why is the fire not killing Viserion?

>>87023395
>Why would ice melt ice?

It didn't melt shit, it blasted it apart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LzCo967WiY

>>87020063
ITS FIRE YOU FUCKING MONGS

BLUE FUCKING FIRE

DRAGONS MAKE FIRE BY MIXING COMBUSTIBLE CHEMICALS TO CREATE FLAME

YOU CAN'T MIX ANYTHING TO MAKE ICE

GODDAMNIT MY AUTISM

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>>87020063

>>87020063

Chorizo.

>A Sneed of Ice and Fire

>>87023885

How preposterous. If an ICE dragon breathed out FIRE the thermal variance between his frozen body and the flames would cause him to stress-fracture, shatter and melt.

Please pick up an engineering book and educate yourself. I'm embarrassed for both of us.

>>87020117
>crash planes made of metal at a building made of metal
>it collapses

>>87021680
1/10th of damage

>>87024260
> "it collapses"
sure thing goy

It's hot water, which melts ice

>>87023885
guess what faggot giant dragons also cant fly with holes in their wings, but yet we see that don't we?

>>87020063
The wall was made with magic and a spell that prevented the undead from getting by, which is why benjin stayed up there. kinda shitty that they could just burn it down so fast and just walk on through. So im gonna say its magic flame.

>>87024589

Those are speed holes. Why do you think he was so much faster? Air intakes.

>>87020063
Godzilla's atomic breath

>>87020117
that ice is at close to absolute zero temperature, it makes everything break apart

>>87024211
Who the fuck said this nigga doesn't have some sort of cooling system? Just because the dragon is cold doesn't mean his flame has to be. Rocket engines burn hydrogen and oxygen at several thousand degrees centigrade inside the combustion chamber, while the outside of the nozzle remains freezing to the touch due to the liquid hydrogen flowing through it. Zombie Viserion just needs some sort of cooling system to not melt, which would be true of any dragon regardless.

>>87020574
how does 20 year old CGI look better than this shit filter mess ?

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>>87020063
clearly it's warp plasma

It's a plasma dragon so it is obviously breathing plasma.

>>87021378
its a fake image, the sun doesnt look like that, stop trusting nasa

>>87020456
...of ice and fire? I hate you.

>>87025231
>what is a Thu'um

>>87025051
I look at the sun every day and this is exactly what it looks like.

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>>87020456
Kek

>>87020614
this
that dragon was malygos' wife so it makes sense

>>87024260
the dynamite made it collapse

>>87020063
>Its neither Ice or Fire
>Its a song

>>87020141
Ice dragon is actually a flying fish confirmed

>>87026205
>Aegons Fuck and Suck

>>87026528
formerly jons

>>87020205
>TURN YOUR BRAIN OFF LOL

lol

>>87020574
why do they walk so slow?

>>87021790
The hottest part of the flame is the tip you god damn retard. The color is from the initial chemical burning

have you fags never seen a shadow dragon? The wall lost 8 levels and crumbled.

after last week's episode where they showed the night king turn the dragon, I literally said "if this dragon fucking breathes ice, I will kill myself"

this is it for me, boys

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holy fucking shit this entire thread

jesus christ you guys cmon its just breathing arcane magic

>>87020242
Not atomic breath?

>>87021544
Is the wall even magic in the show?

>>87028085

Yeah it has a magic enchantment so that they can't go under it or over it. The magic extends deep into the ground and up into the atmosphere.

Supposedly Bran broke the enchantment because he was marked and then went under the wall, but D&D and 90% of this thread probably forgot that ever happened.

>>87022441
>it came back with buffed stats ie much hotter blue flame, because that's what happens with the undead including the horses and giants.
Evidence of this? The undead people don't seem particularly strong, just hard to kill, because they've already died.

>>87021324
BASED BLIZZARD

>>87023224
>If it's breathing fire, and fire is one of two things in the whole fucking universe that kills wights, why is he not fucking dying from the inside out?
Why aren't the dragons constantly cooking themselves from the inside out? Obviously whatever process allows fire-breathing is insulated enough that it has little interaction with most of the dragon's body.

>>87023885
>YOU CAN'T MIX ANYTHING TO MAKE ICE
If I were going to try, I'd give hydrogen and oxygen a go.

Maybe he's breathing song?

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>>87026884

>The hottest part of the flame is the tip you god damn retard

No it isn't. See pic.

>>87023885
>YOU CAN'T MIX ANYTHING TO MAKE ICE

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS4oQbJ-L5k

YOU. LOSE.

>>87028279
There's a difference between the wights and the White Walkers. The babies from Crastor got turned into white walkers (we see the ritual at the end of one of the episodes) and normal dudes get turned into whites.

You can tell the difference between them by the eyes; White Walkers (and other high level dudes) have the ice blue eyes, and wights don't.

White Walkers have super strength, the one dude tossed Jon around like a ragdoll at the first of the first men

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>>87023374
>Normies get out, and you go with them

>>87020364
dragon fire can melt stone so probably.

>>87024884
It's only 10 years old though

>>87020574
This is shameless
>>87021324
lets hope or at least can't wait for the Blizzard logo in there credits for next season

>>87028788
>(and other high level dudes)
That's the confusing part. I thought there was just WWs, and other undead. But there's a horse? And then the dragon got the WW eyes.

>>87020117
>Fire bullet made of steel into steel
>it collapses

Dumbass

>>87029110
Someone pointed out there's a difference between if they raise/turn you by touching you, or by doing the dark souls animation (The Nights King turned the dragon by touching him)

It's blue fire

When wights are resurrected they are much stronger than their living-counter-parts. So I believe that when a dragon knows how to fully use its fire it turns blue

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>>87022281
>>87023395
GoT is videogame logic level now

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Shoop Da Whoop

>>87029190

This. Dragons are fire based magical creatures, now effectively two magics have mixed. But I still think it's fire, not ice.

>>87029292

We are back to square one with the meme economy

>>87020063
Blue fire, which burns hotter than ordinary fire.

I like to think it's magical energy. Viserion is no longer a mere dragon, it's a Wight Dragon, it's undead, it's possessed by the Night King's power. It doesn't breathe flame anymore, it breathes pure magical energy, and that's why it was able to destroy the Wall, because it unbound the ancient magic that kept the Wall standing in the first place.

That's my thoughts anyway.

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>>87020063

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>>87020885
>>87020885
>>87020885

>>87020063
He does electrical damage

>>87020063
Fiery ice

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>>87020063
This show is just one giant commercial

>>87020172
Depends on the material burning friendo. I can light some cologne on my hand and it will burn blue, and it would take a good 3 seconds minimum to get me uncomfortable enough to put it out. Having an orange flame paper on my hand and I wouldn't last half

>>87020117
It's like fighting fire with fire. It can work

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>>87020063
Never mind that shit! Here comes Mungo!