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How do you make 15 films without a single one being the least memorable or unique? It's like Disney banned creativity the moment they acquired the rights.
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>>86992922
What about Dr. Strange?
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>>86992922
From the mouth of the Disney CEO himself:

>In April 2011, Disney broke ground on Shanghai Disney Resort. Costing $4.4 billion, the resort opened on June 16, 2016.[53] Later, in August 2011, Bob Iger stated on a conference call that after the success of the Pixar and Marvel purchases, he and the Walt Disney Company are looking to "buy either new characters or businesses that are capable of creating great characters and great stories."

http://www.businessinsider.com/disneys-looking-to-buy-up-some-more-stables-of-characters-2011-8

Disney's not in the imagination business any more. They're all about buying other people's creations, polishing all the rough edges off them, thereby robbing them of everything that makes them unique or interesting, and making them as "safe" and "family friendly" as possible.

"The whole Walt Disney philosophy eats out of your hand with these pretty little sentimental creatures in grey fur coats. For my own part, I believe that behind these smiling eyes there lurks a cold, ferocious beast fearfully stalking us."
-Jean Baudrillard
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>>86992922

as someone who is disappointed as fuck that the MCU stopped being great after Avengers 1, I have to say that in my eyes, Iron Man 1 and Incredible Hulk are very unique, Iron Man 1 being especially memorable at that.

All the movies after Captain America 1 reek of suits who are trying to force directors do their bidding unfortunately. Even if they want to keep the story lame, I don't see why they don't at least treat the audiences with some nice cinematography. Say what you want about Snyder, Jenkins and Ayer but all of their movies are visually appealing. Even a lot of CGI moments, which I usually hate, look great (obviously with exceptions)

Funnily enough, the Thor 3 trailers are perfect examples of literally everything wrong with the modern MCU. The scene where the Asgardians fly with their horses toward Hela represents what the whole movie should actually be like, you know, goddamn Ragnarök and all. Then, like always, the trailer throws bad dialogue, quips, horrible costumes, and horrible characters at you.
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>>86992922
Captain Murrica Winter Soldier and the first Galaxy Guardians were pretty good
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>>86995400
Yeah, Frozen and Moana totally weren't big hits or anything
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>>86995400

Although I love Disney's animated movies, I gotta say that Disney has always been about using existing properties for their movies. It's rather rare for Disney to make up something entirely new, isn't it?

>Snow White
>Alice in Wonderland
>Peter Pan
>Little Mermaid
>Aladdin
>Tarzan
>Hercules
>Pocahontas
>Mulan

Obviously, there are original ones, but every single successful movie of theirs is based upon existing literature or mythology or whatever the hell. Even Lion King resembles McBeth to some degree
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>>86992922
At least we know that Ant Man survives Infinity War
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>>86994678
OK, let's talk about Dr. Strange. Let's talk about what piss-poor storytelling it is to reveal that people with tremendous mystical power have been present on Earth throughout history. Not nay that, but by their own admission, their job is to safeguard earth from extra-dimensional forces. Sadly, extra-dimensional force is precisely what the Asgardians came to fight off when they showed up to repel the Jotunns centuries earlier, supposedly inspiring the Norse religion in the process. That either implies that they're not very good at their job, or that they knew all about it and yet still chose to leave an Infinity Stone laying around for centuries instead of stashing it safely away with all their other powerful mystical artifacts.
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>>86995505
I could not agree with you more. I was tentatively excited until I started hearing more and more of that pathetic dialogue. Not even an actress as talented as Blanchett can salvage that shit.
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>>86996024

What baffles me the most is that so many people on 4chan are happy about the trailers whereas the trailers are the worst the MCU has ever provided. Not even being contrarian since I was actually a fanboy during Phase 1 and even optimistic during Phase 2. I mean I totally get the pandering to mainstream audiences because that is what basically generates a shitload of money for them but would it actually hurt them to make more realistic dialogues or even more serious ones? Winter Soldier wasn't goofy at all and audiences as well as critics loved it. Why that was a signal for them to make the following movies full of quips and jokes is beyond me except for the ones that are obviously meant to be comedies such as Guardians and Ant-Man. I'm just disappointed
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>>86995642
I never said they didn't know how to make bank. I said there's nothing original about them. Both films you just named are proof-positive of what I said, the only difference is that Disney didn't have to buy those stories; they just dipped into public domain, Disneyed up some myths and folk tales, and packaged them up all nice and neat for public consumption.

Fun fact: Disney, all of whose greatest successes and best-known stories came straight out of public domain, lobbies to extend the duration of copyright protection every time fucking Steamboat Willy comes close to expiring.
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>>86995642
Frozen became too successful for its own good. Moana was also a success but not to the same degree, which I'm actually happy about because it won't get shoved into the "Movie is overrated because it got so popular" category
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>>86992922
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>>86992922
>Guardians of the Galaxy, a movie that surprised pretty much everyone
>Not memorable or unique
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>>86996500
It was a standard action comedy set in space. For Marvel's low standards it might have been different (the jokes were the same really and they even forced Thanos in there) but in terms of summer blockbusters, there was nothing unique about it.
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>>86996500
kys you mouth-breathing nigger
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>>86996616
Nice argument
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>>86995658
>Macbeth

And that's not the only thing to which bears some rather interesting similarities.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimba_the_White_Lion#The_Lion_King_controversy
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>>86996549
>they even forced Thanos

Revealing Thanos as early as they did was a mistake in my opinion. Without exception, they could have skipped every single after-credits scene with him and lost nothing at all.

Just so I'm clear here, he knows what the Stones are, knows how powerful they are, knows where several of them are, even had one in his possession, sends catspaws out to try(and repeatedly fail) to retrieve them, but suddenly he's just showing up to rape face and take them? Why the fuck wouldn't he have just done that in the first place?
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>>86996205
Ever since Disney took over, the MCU has gradually been becoming little more than reskinned Pixar, and not even *good* Pixar.
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>>86997516
Age of Ultron was really retarded. I love how Civil War retcons it into "omg we traumatized so many people in Sokovia" even though it is evident that no such dilemmas occurred in AoU.
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>>86992922

Let me guess, because marvel is bad dc is automatically good. Kill yourself capeshitter
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>>86997767
One of the retcons that's pissed me off more than anything is the Ch'tauri tech shit in Homecoming. It's a bit late to start examining the impact of an event that's multiple films in the past as well as years ago both in-continuity as well as real-world.
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>>86995400
This pic always makes me feel bad for george
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>>86996459
This is what happens when you put studio kike hacks in charge of the second attempt of a rebooting a franchise. As a fan of the original Raimi's, i just want to kermit.
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>>86996459
>the absolute state of marvel
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Winter Soldier, Iron Man 1 and the Daredevil TV series were great though
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>>86992922
Time to shitpost in India Pajeet?
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>>86999118
Iron Man 1 was before Disney acquisition and Daredevil isn't MCU.

IM1 was a taste of what could've been if Marvel wasn't sold to Disney. It would've been a decent film universe if IM1 was the bar set and not Avengers.
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>>86992922
why are DCucks still THIS obsessed with Marvel?

you finally had success with WW. get over it.
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>>86996500
Tbf it was above par comparing to your average avengers flick or another franchise expanding attempt ie iron fist, antman or doc strange. But all in all gotg was nothing more but a standard level action movie with a reddit-tier gimmick and quips pandering to 13 yearolds. I just has a lil bit more heart because the studio didn't completely get themselves involved and start fucking shit up
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>>86995505
Literally all this
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>>86996459
Swear to god ill shoot up a Sony corporate meeting if anyone post this again
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>>86995658
>he doesn't know the difference between Hamlet and Macbeth. Why can't Americlaps into even the most pleb of playwrights? He's literally the MCU of the 16th century.
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>>86999242
>MCU thread
>b-b-but dc
Marvel is unironically not better
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>>86999242
Its one guy living in New Delhi. He's the one posting the HAHA threads and the SNYDER KINO threads.
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>>86995505
>based

And it even infuriates me more the fact that movies like this will never stop being made for all the normies and chinks just keeps on flooding the box office.
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Does anyone have any orange slices?
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>>86999222
but Daredevil is MCU isn't it? As in it takes place in the same universe?
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>>86995505
Hey come on tbf winter soldier wasnt that bad
Rest after is literally shit tho ever since they fell for that quip-flick meme with antman and guardians cucking every other films at the b.o.
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>>86995400
Daily reminder George did nothing wrong and was fucked over by these hacks
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>>86999222
>IM1 was a taste of what could've been if Marvel wasn't sold to Disney.

This. All day every day. I half believe that RDJ demands as much money as he does both as a way to drive home how they owe him literally *everything*, as well as revenge for them robbing him of what Tony's character could have been for him.
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>>86999775

yeah, sorry for generalising that hard. winter soldier was a good movie. I even enjoyed ant-man because it actually had funny moments in it and because it had a smaller scale setting
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>>86999614
You talk to fish?
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>>86999617
Technically, they're in the same universe. The Netflix shows acknowledge the events from the films as canon, but not vice-versa. It's infuriatingly stupid.
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>>87000063
You will now close your eyes and imagine an edgar wright directed antman
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Meh they have the template of a 6/10 movie so they'll never make anything better than that
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>>86999222
Truth of the trips
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IM1 and Norton Hulk are the only MCU movies I've seen more than once.
What went so right with those?
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>>87000233
Iron Man, Winter Soldier, First Avenger, The Avengers, GOTG, GOTG2 and Ant Man are all above 6/10 imo
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>>87000339
Good character arcs, interesting story, not holding back and be family safe, no dumb quips and gimmicks

>technically what marvel/d*sney is not now
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>>87000365
take out ant man, guardians 2 and winter soldier and we got a deal
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>>86994678
I think this one shows what's wrong with them really. It tries to be a serious movie but for some reason there are these quip scenes like they have to fill some quota.
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>>87000365
Avengers killed cinema.
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>>86994678
Fuck doc strange and fuck benny cucumberbatch
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>>87000416
Winter Soldier is a solid 8/10
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>>86996459
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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>>86999427
Why Sony?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2250912/companycredits?ref_=tt_dt_co

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Light_%26_Magic

Disney's hands aren't exactly clean here.
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>>87000413
And what humor is present is organic.

>Banner learning Portuguese and telling those dudes they won't like him when he's hungry.
>the stretchy purple pants bit
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>>86996500
>dude talking tree and raccoon
>dude 70s music soundtrack
>Disney movie has talking animals and pop music
>holy shit it's SO RISKY and ORIGINAL
It was a good movie but fuck off with this reddit meme
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You guys are fucking crazy. MCU is good. DCEU aswell.
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>>86997832
Corporate homogenized politically correct inoffensive entertainment is bad, films with actual auteurs with a vision and voice are good. That doesn't mean DC is automatically good, but Suicide Squad is terrible for the reasons MCU films are bad. Snyder and Jenkins are, unlike most of the MCU (Shane Black is a big exception) filmmakers I'd follow even if they weren't directing capeshit.
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>>86992922
I rewatched Ironman 1 and 2 yesterday, and avengers.
IM1 is still great and I think it was very unique when it came out.
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>>86999222
>>86999333
Wew
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>>87001472
In other words, humor that grows *out* of the situation instead of flippant, self-aware dialogue making light of a serious situation. And for those who think anything in the MCU passes as gallows humor, you can fuck right off.
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>>86999455
Midsummer nights dream should be wordfiltered into the scottish play
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>>86992922
This board is such a joke. There are good MCU movies, there are bad ones. They're still consistently better than everyone else. Repostan.

GENERAL CAPESHIT OPINIONS RANKINGS

True Cinematic Greatness Tier
>The Dark Knight
>Spider-man 2

Genuinely Well Made Tier
>Winter Soldier
>Iron Man 1
>Guardians of the Galaxy 1
>X2
>Spider-man 1
>Logan
>Batman Returns

Bretty Good For A Blockbuster Tier
>Civil War
>Dr. Strange
>The Avengers
>Batman Begins
>The Dark Knight Rises
>Superman
>Dredd
>X-men Days of Future Past
>Deadpool
>Hellboy 1 & 2

Flawed But Entertaining Tier
>Spider-man Homecoming
>Iron Man 2
>Guardians Vol 2
>Wonder Woman
>The Wolverine
>X-men First Class
>Hulk (2003)
>Batman (1989)
>Sin City
>Superman Returns
>Constantine
>V for Vendetta
>Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

I Guess I'll Watch This If Nothing Else Is On Tier
>CA: First Avenger
>Antman
>Thor 1
>Superman 2
>X-men 1
>Spider-man 3
>Amazing Spider-man 1
>Batman Forever
>300
>Punisher (2004)
>TMNT
>Kick Ass

Bad Tier
>Thor Dark World
>Iron Man 3
>Man of Steel
>Watchmen
>Superman III
>X-men 3: The Last Stand
>X-men Apocalypse
>Spawn
>Judge Dredd
>Daredevil (2003)
>Fantastic Four (2005)
>Ghost Rider 1 & 2
>Supergirl
>TMNT 2, TMNT (2014), Out of the Shadows
>Kick Ass 2

Oh Shit Nigger What Are You Doing Tier
>Incredible Hulk
>Age of Ultron
>Superman IV: Quest for Peace
>Batman vs Superman
>Suicide Squad
>Green Lantern
>Jonah Hex
>Catwoman
>Amazing Spider-man 2
>X-men Origins: Wolverine
>League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
>Fantastic Four 2
>Fan4stic
>Elektra
>Punisher War Zone
>Steel
>Ninja Turtles 3

So Bad It Boomerangs To Amazing Tier
>Batman & Robin
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>>87002090
You should stop using "nigger" on the internet. Not because others find it offensive(nobody gives a fuck), but because there's not one of us who's ever seen you that thinks you have either the balls or the "cred" to use it in your daily life.
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>>87002090
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Top 10 capeshit filmes ranked from worst to best. Everyone who feels asshurt because of this list should immediately remove himself from this board.

10. Iron Man
9. Watchmen
8. Spider-Man 3
7. Batman Begins
6. The Incredibles
5. Man of Steel
4. Spider-Man
3. The Dark Knight
2. Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
1. Spider-Man 2
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>>87002921
I mostly agree with this. I would replace SM3 with X-Men First Class though.
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>>87002921
Literally no one believes your BvS ranking.
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Back on topic, I'm starting to have serious problems with the choices they're making in terms of story and characterization. I was very much not a fan of how they set Tony up to be Pete's mentor and voice of wisdom in Homecoming, then had him give Pete what is essentially a lethal weapon. That suit's like giving a handgun to a fifteen year old that can benchpress a bus - both unnecessary *and* dangerous.

The cartoonish red pinprick eyes for "Instant Kill Mode" is dumb as shit, too, like something straight out of a shit-tier Pixar flick.
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>>86995642
Moana was a burp of a success. It was almost as lukewarm as The Good Dinosaur.
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>>87002921
>BvS
lol
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>>87003096
I do.
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>>87002921
Watchmen > Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
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>>87003270
They already ruined Spidey by turning him into a homicide-attempting mercenary in Civil War.

Yeah man now I really relate to this sellout superhero who almost kills good guys because rich guy Tony paid him to do so.
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>>87003303
>Good Dinosaur
Budget: $175 million
Box Office: $332.2 million
>Moana
Budget:$150 million
Box Office: $642.9 million

Moana made almost twice the money on a smaller budget
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>>86995642
big hits = quality movies

they were shit, lets be real. Compare Frozen and Moana to literally any other Disney movies of the past. They're garbage
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>>87003477
Agreed.
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>>86995870
>let's talk about Dr. Strange
They turned a hyper intellectual sorcerer into Quipster #4

Stark, Thor, Banner, Hawkeye, Fury, the new Spiderman and Cap are all the same personality witht the same lame jokes
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>>87003338
Watchmen are good mostly because of the source material. I wouldn't say costumes, casting and cinematography are great enough
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>>87003570
Costumes are so-so but the casting and cinematography both are top-notch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNXohNU3tWo

This scene is beautifully directed.
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>>87002090
BvS on Oh Shit Nigger tier?
Opinion discarded
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>>87003563
Of all of those, Strange and Thor piss me off the most. Did you notice in the latest trailer how Thor is just shrugging off the loss of Mjolnir a day after it's destroyed? Would it have really killed them to have him bear that loss with some stoicism like a fucking warrior?
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>>87003563
He attempted a handful of jokes. No one found him funny. He's not even close to a quipster.

/tv/ continued bitching about Dr. Strange highlights how patheticly biased this board is when its everything you fags claimed you wanted the MCU to be.

I don't even know how you'd consider Thor, Cap and Nick Fury, who's just Sam Jackson playing himself, the same personality.
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>>87003446
I said almost as lukewarm. No one remembers Moana just like no one remembers Good Dinosaur. Doesn't matter if Moana made more money.
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>>86992922
>a single one being the least memorable or unique?
What's GotG?
What's IM1?
What's Avengers?

They were cookie cutters for the movies following them, but they were pretty good and memorable in their own.
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>>87003895
All you've seen is a trailer. You don't know how the movie will play out
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>>87004060
Avengers isn't memorable. Neither is Guardians. You couldn't even get a normie to remember Groot's name after two movies when that's all he fucking says.
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>>86992922
>none of them memorable or unique
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>>87004060
>What's GotG?
Trash

>What's Avengers?
Trash that ruined cinema with its Saturday morning cartoon storytelling

Only IM1 is good and that was before Disney took it down the path of dumbing down for the kiddies. The old Tony was borderline politically incorrect. Very unpredictable and sharp-tongued. Nowadays Tony is just any other hero with sarcastic quips. Avengers ruined him. Just like it ruined the MCU.
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>>87003477
Frozen was shit but Moana was genuinely good with some great moments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEiSF8HpyDg
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>>87004157
>people say I remember this
>NO YOU FUCKING DONT
wew lad
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>>87004157
>>87004222
>Dude these movies that were hugely successful and got near universal acclaim are bad because I said so
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>>87004157
>>87004222
>Avengers
>Not memorable
>DC hires the same guy who made the first 2 Avengers to direct JL

>GoTG
>Not memorable
>DC hires the same guys who made GotG trailers and marketing for SS
>GotG are worldwide known and famous as many other superheroes
>Tons of merchandise and animated series

You guys are dellusional
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>>87004969
This is /tv/. Anything that's Disney is automatically bad despite giving no actual reasons why it's bad
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>>87002090
>imagine having your sense of taste this warped
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>>87004969
Popularity does not equal quality. Or Avatar would be the greatest film of all time and that spic song that played on the radio all summer would be the best song of all times.
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>>87002921
Replace Spider-Man 3 with Incredible Hulk and you've got a Patrician's list
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>>87004018
>DUDE BEYONCÉ LAMOW
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>>87002090
this is pretty accurate, however all the Snyder fanboys wont like your ranking of the pile of dogshit that was Batman v Superman
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>>87005085
He doesn't have any taste or own preferences. He just ranks filmes by metacritic/tomatometer score like every mcutard does
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>>87005338
>All those critics are wrong but I"M right
lol
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>>87005338
When will DCucks stop with this RT is biassed shit and wake up to the reality that Warner bros literally owns RT
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The first half of Iron Man 1 feels like a real movie. Then Tony crashes the suit, and it abruptly turns to shit. From that moment on, every character is inexplicably a moron. Their sole motivation is doing whatever the focus groups think looks cool or funny. They no longer act like real people, and I no longer care what happens to them.

Going by other MCU flicks, the first half of Iron Man must have been a mistake. The characters were supposed to unfunny idiots the whole way through but they didn't have the formula down yet.
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>>87004085
I know that if he's talking about it in an arena full of spectators in one scene and silently lamenting it's loss in another, it will look like exactly the sort of superficial characterization that made me hate Disney's MCU in the first place.

It's like the way they set things up to look like he's an unwilling captive there to fight a death match, then when he sees that his opponent is Banner, he's suddenly happy. Why the fuck would he be? If they're forcing him to fight against his will why wouldn't he immediately think the same about Banner? It's a clumsy attempt at subverting expectation, and it's done at the expense of consistent characterization and basic fucking common sense. It's retarded from pretty much all angles at the same time.
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>>86994678
Doctor Strange is absolute shit-tier, and I say this as someone who usually can enjoy these films.
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>>87005133
>memorable means it is good quality
Sharknado is probable one of the most memorable movies in the decade, and yet it is still so shit.
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>>87005779
When did I say that? Your argument rested on popularity alone. The films judged on their own are awful. You let corporate PR shit get to you. These films are successful for suits yes but not so much for us.
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>>87005074
I gave plenty of reasons in this thread alone. Want another one?

I don't need realism in my movie with talking raccoons and walking space trees, but I do occasionally require the characters doing things that make logical sense.

Case in point: If Rocket can cobble together a planet-destroying bomb out of some odds and ends and a couple of space batteries, why can't he disable the "instant destruct" button? Why did he even want one in the first place? Answer: so we can have a flat attempt at a cutesy gag with Baby Groot that runs way too long, because they're seriously not even trying any more.
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>>87005133
Why does Thor vs Loki have less than half the weight of a WWE slobberknocker?
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>>87005394
>>87005414
>I let whiny millennial alt-left manchildren define what is good for me and what is not
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>>87005338
>He just ranks filmes by metacritic/tomatometer score like every mcutard does
>being this triggered
>just looking at this post lets you know the list would go Iron Man 1, Spider-man Homecoming, Avengers, Guardians 1, Dr. Strange, Civil War
>list clearly doesn't do that
lol at snyderfags
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>>87005263
>one line makes him a quipster
>DUDE I THOUGHT SHE WAS WITH YOU LMAO
I guess BvS was a quipfest too.
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>>87006911
>one line
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>>87006252
>I let contrarian millennial alt-right manchildren define what is good for me and what is not
Yeah, BvS and Suicide Squad were totally deep masterpieces, friend!
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>>87007113
Why can't you guys shut up about the DCEU? Whether it's deep or not isn't relevant in a discussion about what specific reasons board patrons have for growing increasingly disillusioned with what Disney's done to the MCU.
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>>86992922
I can feel the salt in this thread.

>>87006121
Holy shit. This a reatarded reasoning.
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>>87008251
Yeah? How about another?

Why is Ego a fuckng retard? No, "ego" is not an acceptable explanation for why a being with literally millions of years of life experience would think someone wouldn't react badly to finding out you killed their mom.

Know what would have worked? If Ego and Quill shared a mental connection through the Light and Quill discovered it himself. See? Literally five seconds worth of thought and their shit plot-twist is fixed. Where's my fucking check?
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>>86992922
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukk5TJL27pE
I don't care if you think that video is "reddit" or "cancer". He's 100% right and explains MCU.
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>>87004018
That isn't Strange's character, which is the point. Doctor Strange comics are boring and aren't mainstream. Yet in the movies, his bro-tier reddit dialogue matches those of his assembled group of sitcom laughtrack puns.

I forgot to mention Paul Rudd as Ant Man.....ironic that he along with the rest of the Avengers use the same Seth Rogan quips.

Thor is a Norse god not a frat bro
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>>86992922
Iron man 1, captain 1 and captain 3 are pretty fucking memorable
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>>87010025
Dude does make some good points.
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