/trek/ - Star Trek

>>86944558
I enjoyed Move Along Home, it wasn't too deep or cerebral or anything, but it was a fun enough episode.

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>>86944558
*blocks your path*

>>86944558
kek, thanks for this

>>86944558
I liked that Sisko actually started singing rather than just recite the lines of the rhyme like the others did

>>86944558

And that right there is why that little girl never got any more acting work.

>>86944558
Is there any hope for Discovery? I'm hoping for interstellar political intrigue between the Feds, Klingons, and Romulans, but I'm concerned it will be more action-oriented like the movies. I'm also worried that even if it is good, it won't last because it's exclusively on CBS's streaming service. How widespread is the CBS service? Is it anywhere near as big as netflix?

>>86944558

From the top that webm looks like a low poly count video game

Da hell?

>>86945076

It's going to be Enterprise, but with 2017
>Muh edgy dark themes, people die! We're totally cool like game of thrones guise pls watch
>Muh no individual episodes but a single overarching storyline. We're totally cool like game of thrones guise pls watch
>2017 SJWism

>>86945076
any region except US gets it through netflix

aren't licenses just wonderful

>>86945204
>any region except US gets it through netflix
Jesus Christ, who thought this one up?

>>86945194
t. never watched Enterprise

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Unironically what was his fucking problem?

>>86945346
eugenics are bad that's what

>>86945076
>Like:
Trying to show more Klingon cultures or nations
USS Shenzhou design
design of the props like phasers and tricorders
one of the cast members is a space mushroom expert

>Dislike
Everything else so far

>>86945346
He went nuts reading Moby Dick for like 100 years or something.

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>>86945346
>Never actually shares any screen time with Kirk
WoK is a happy accident of a film due to budgetary constrains

>>86944558
How can the old man be such a qt?

>>86945076
>Ten years before Kirk era.
Too early for Romulans

>>86945252
Is it worth it? I mean that titlesong man, just holy fucking shit.

I probably get labeled as a pleb or something but I'm almost certain that 99,8% of everyone who has watched it and came from the prior series felt similarly appaled by it.

>>86945346

Kirk left him on an abandoned planet then fucked off while it exploded into a desolate wasteland.

Khan did nothing wrong

>>86945787
Honestly that's my biggest problem with STD. It's set only 10 years before TOS, if it was set after VOY it would be actually interesting. But it's going to end up a canon destroying CGI fest.

>>86945817
Season 3 is pure kino. Don't even get me started on 4 though. Also whats wrong with the theme song?
>I'VE GOT FAAAAAITH

>>86945787
I thought the first romulan war was around this time? there was just no visual contact till kirks time

>>86945979
That was a hundred years before Kirk.

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>>86945817
It's worth it. Everyone hates the song at first but later you will unironically enjoy it because it fits Enterprise so well and you'll start to associate the song with Archer's journey.

>>86945646
>pic
what...
WHAT.
Is that Real!?
Was Dorn actually somewhere in the original?

>>86944558
It was dumb even as far as useless episodes of ds9 go

>>86946134
It always looked so comfy when they + T'Pol sat together having lunch.

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>>86945346
>Unironically what was his fucking problem?
He used to be dashing and then time hit like a truck.

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>>86944558

>>86946134
fair enough

I'm on my VOY binge now, but I will give this a fair shot, at least until s3 like that other poster suggested

>>86946244
But S4 is the best one.

>>86945817
That song is undeniably not awful though

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>>86946134
>they played this song on NASA space shuttle and new horizons missions as a wake up theme

>>86946369
>>86946360
>>86945817
>>86946134
Better Enterprise opening coming trough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfbsZRbwbJ4

>>86946430
LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE
>>86945817
>I mean that titlesong man, just holy fucking shit.
Title song is unironically 11/10.
If you don't want to get into a spacesuite and fly to Jupiter when hearing it, there's something seriously wrong with you.

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>>86946490
the vibe felt a little too 'Little House on the Prairie' for me instead of Trek

>>86946430
>mirror universe alternative theme
intredasting

>>86946430
Exceptional taste.


>>86946134

I never thoughr of why I liked it so much, you hit the nail on the head there.

I watched through ENT a few months ago and I'd listen to the original theme every fucking time (usually skip intros), what they replaced it with was cringeworthy.

>>86945787
Damn. I haven't seen TOS, so I'm fuzzy on the timeline at that point.

>>86946430
>obligatory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P4IlgtwHmA

>>86946152
Seriously? He would have been a kid. It could have been a fan film, but it's really just a shop.

>>86946801
>standing tall on the wings of my dreams
So much better.

>>86946152
He was in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country, however he was already playing Worf in TNG at the time.

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>>86944558

>implying any episode of ds9 is better than b5 kino

>>86947047
tfw he has always been here

>>86947047
How come that B5 was so good, yet anything else that JMS touched after that was utter shit, including all the B5 spinoffs?

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>>86946885
I don't know how old he is! It Could've happeened.....

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>>86944767
Blocks your path to the fridge.

>>86945817
unpopular opinion time? Blaylock is as shitty as Ryan.
Trip was great though.

>>86947374
>Seven
>bad

t. Kess

>>86947351
Will you kindly die?

>>86947374
>Blaylock is as shitty as Ryan
Looks or acting?

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>>86947351
*points finger at you*

>>86947476
character wise. acting was passable.

>>86947558
Oh okay, I thought they were all good although T'Pol is a little unsettling to me.

>>86947570
did he roleplay as a medic?

>>86947648
Are you serious? That's from one of the most famous episodes.

>>86947695
I suppose it wasn't memorable enough for me, at least not from the costume change

>>86947648
It's from the episode Tapestry. Picard died on an away misssion and Q showed him what his life would be like if he hadn't had a near-death experience when he was a junior officer. Turns out he'd still be a junior science officer who never rose above the rank of lieutenant and received mediocre performance reviews from his superior officers, all because he never was able to fully appreciate the importance of taking advantage of the opportunities available to him. One of the best episodes of the series to be quite honest with you family.

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>>86947471

>>86947771
lmao. It's from Tapestry, the one where Q shows Picard how his life could've turned out if he hadn't taken chances.

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>>86947570
lol, everytime we saw other old guys in blue uniforms they were at least Lt.Cmdr.

>>86947771
It's where human play Damjat and gets stabbed, human gets artificial heart to save his life, human gets hit by lightning bolt, godlike entity takes human back in time to prevent getting the artificial heart, human then finds out his destiny was to grow up a complete pussy

>>86947833
>>86947804
in my defence I haven't reached s6 yet and there were episodes that I have missed or forgotten about. This does seem like a milestone episode though, so I'm wondering why I know so little about it

>>86947882
hmm

>>86947570
>>86947648
>>86947804
>>86947833
>>86947862
Tapestry changed my entire view of Riker and Troi. They were such massive assholes to Lt.Cmdr Picard. I'm thoroughly convinced that all of the senior staff, barring Worf, Geordi and Data, are elitist assholes.

>>86947899
>Still Lieutenant junior grade after 40 years.
Even if he didn't take risks, that's bullshit.

>>86947570
>Not knowing every Q episode
Disgusting.

>>86948073
He was a Lieutenant Jnr Grade, aka a nobody

And they weren;t assholes, they just didn't really know him. Again because he was a nobody from the science division who'd never stood out once in 50 years in Starfleet. And now he wants to move into command, probably senile

>>86948177
I'm not saying they should have coddled him, but they were unnecessarily dickish. I once thought that Starfleet valued hard work and effort, but they got angry at him for trying to break out of his shell. They basically told him to fuck himself.

>>86948233
They were being honest - at his age and with his career he was never going to get into command. No point giving him false hope

fuck it, I'm gonna watch this

>>86947695
more famous than the one with the flute?

>>86948233
Picard pushed them to it out of nowhere. They were just being honest with him, he's an adult he can handle it

>>86948233
well, from Troi and Riker's point of view, that version of Picard was a literal nowbody who at the age of 50/60 something went through a severe mid-life crisis and now suddenly wants to jump to a higher position. They were nice enough and most importantly, honest. That Picard maybe could've done something with his life, but not in Starfleet.
>>86948336
Tapestry? do it, it has Picard fucking a 17-year old
>>86948384
the Inner Life is more famous probably. I've always seen it ranked as the best TNG episode.

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>>86948384
YEs, because it's a Q episode so people remember it better

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>>86944558
Every non Dominion-Gamma quadrant race was such a disappointment, I wouldn't even want to explore it.

>>86948539
The one where Bashir tries to cure that disease and fails miserably is cool

>>86948233
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHoPLhpw2g4
"You've had lofty goals, but you've never been willing to do what's necessary to attain them".

I don't see how they're being dicks, they're telling him straight-up that if he wants to be more, he can't expect to just be given the shot. He's got to prove to them that he's earned it. In the real world, you're lucky if your boss lets you down this easy.

>>86948660
the episode was about gene telling the audience to get up and do something instead of having everything handed to them

>>86948761
Gene was long dead by the time this episode was made

Are you suggesting he was still giving writing instructions from the grave?

>>86948384
https://youtu.be/fG1koV6VlYQ

>>86945646
>only attacks by surprise
>actually orders one of his mind controlled minions to kill Kirk with his phaser instead of beaming down and meeting him face to face
>tries to kill Kirk by activating the genesis device

Khan was kind of a coward in this movie desu. I don't get why people think he was so badass.
>>86946221
Moltalban was a fit motherfucker in Wok. Those pecs were real, friend.

>>86948993
>sensible = coward

Martok pls

>>86948539
Tosk was pretty badass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZjPOrXMaR4

>What's that, Beverly? You want Wesley to watch? Make it so...

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>>86948993
But he used to look like this
>tfw you watched his early movies long before his appearances on Star Trek
I legit didn't even recognize him.

>>86949035
The surprise attack thing might be excusable from a certain point of view, but ordering Captain Tyrell to kill Kirk is just cowardly. Khan certainly had the ability to kick Kirk's aging ass with his genetically engineered strength and toughness. Why the fuck would he ever opt to have someone else kill him? A fight between Kirk and Khan would have made the movie even more amazing.

>>86949124
Did you not wonder why a Sikh looked and sounded suspiciously hispanic?

>>86949086
That actually raises a good question, you always see the main crew in the same shift, who's in command when they go to sleep?

>>86949168
Are you suggesting Obama should have personally duelled Bin Laden?

Leaders lead, they don't fist fight enemy commanders

>>86949124
>man gets old: the shocking evidence

>>86949178
>tfw no triple shift show

>>86949178
Voyager had Harry Kim taking over the ship at night.

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"Commander, tell me about your sexual organs."

>>86949178
they have night shift crew

>>86949178
You see more of this in the final seasons of TNG. Worf or Data has the night shift and then hand over to Data or Riker respectively for the day shift.

Crusher sometimes takes the night shift because being the boss makes her nipples tingle.

In general, the episodes are the year's highlight reel, where they have a specific mission for those 20-30 days. So the senior officers are all there because it's important. They avoid the 300+ days of routine patrols and travelling where officers follow an actual watch rotation

>>86949225
>implying that situation is even a billion miles close to the same thing

Get fucking real, man. Khan wasn't the leader of a civilized, democratic nation. He lead a crew of like 30 people and was living in a desolate wasteland for 15 years. The dude was out for blood. There is no logical reason why he wouldn't try tofind his way to meet Kirk, the man who marooned him on Ceti Alpha V, face to face.

>>86949393
in what way is personally fighting some guy known to kick the asses of Gods and Gorns logical?

Why do people call the war with the Dominion "anti-Trek" when it was the most Trek shit ever?
>Federation, Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians; all enemies with each other at one point, united in the end
>Odo uses trust to convince the Founder to surrender

>>86949605
The Federation is peaceful, Starfleet is not a military

A war of any kind is basically shitting on Gene's grave

>>86949457
Khan was literally the most nefarious enemy the Enterprise crew ever faced, anon. Remember this?

https://youtu.be/uT8npGLg2g8?t=57s

>>86949676
He was dangerous, not retarded

>>86949605
Good question, it is penutimate trek. I think the "themes" are their issue.

>>86949605
>Why do people call the war with the Dominion "anti-Trek"

Who says it's "anti-trek". People may say that it goes against Roddenberry's vision, but the episode Q-Who already showed us that the Federation had gotten soft, and needed to toughen up if it wanted to survive.

>>86949647
>The Federation is peaceful, Starfleet is not a military
Unless threatened, which the Dominion explicitly did.

>>86949757
That's a DS9 idea and explicitly anti-trek

>>86949647
I need to watch TOS again
Did the series show the trek universe getting more hostile around them chronilogically? In other words were things way less hostile overall in Gene's vision?

>>86949825
In TOS any conflicts were due to cultural misunderstandings or evil technology or capricious gods

The Federation was a utopia that did not war because war was beneath and behind them

>>86949825
I don't think. Pre-Kirk canon was established with Klingons being hostile and Romulans waging war on the Federation.

>>86949647
>A war of any kind is basically shitting on Gene's grave

Too simplistic a viewpoint, which DS9 was not. Sometimes war is inevitable, especially in its universe with alien species and shit. DS9 built up and showed what Starfleet would do in a very messy conflict and it didn't come out half bad.

>>86949895
>Sometimes war is inevitable

Only if your civilisation is too uncivilised to resolve it's problems peacefully

Gene's Federation was too enlightened for such nonsense

>>86947103
Jeremiah season 2 was fairly good and he wrote the screenplay for Eastwoods changeling which is really solid but quite different

>>86949799
>That's a DS9 idea
TOS had a cold war with the Klingons and Romulans, who threatened the Federation.
TNG had conflicts with the Borg and the Romulans, who both threatened the Federation, and a war with the Cardassians had taken place before the series.
>That's a DS9 idea
>That's a DS9 idea

>>86949871
And yez the Federation was the result of a victorious war.

>>86949701
Give me one reason Khan wouldn't have been able to kick Kirk's ass in a one on one fight.

>>86950027
Kirk always won 1-on-1 fights against superior foes

Why would this be any different/

>>86949936
The Dominion literally said they were gonna take over our entire part of the Galaxy, what was the Federation supposed to do?

>>86950149
Reason with them and forge a treaty

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>>86947771

>>86949936
war came to the federation and it didn't care how ''enlightened'' starfleet was

>>86950171
Tried it. The Dominion wasn't interested in reason, they were interested in conquest.

>>86950190
>>86950280
In Gene's day the dominion would have been beaten with words, not Ferengi mines

>>86950171
>>86950302
Should the Borg have been reasoned with, too? Remember that Q Who and TBOBW came out under his supervision.

Sometimes you've got to kick someone's ass before you talk sense into them. The Dominion had it coming.

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thoughts on ds9(ii)

>>86950076
This is an aging Kirk we're talking about, and Khan was still in peak physical shape because of his genetic enhancements.

>>86950566
The way it's described is cozy
>arboretums
>theaters
>giant Quark's Bar

>>86950566
Looks like cap. And why would the federation build it like that just to look similiar to the old Cardi station?

>>86950566
what is it exactly? Also that design is ugly it look like terok nor had sex with a TOS era starbase

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>>86950566
I haven't read the books, but why would they redesign it like that? The protrusions were supposed to be docking ports.

>>86949319
yeah they usually have something like a 12 hour shift with a 4 hour overlap where both shifts are "on call" or something and it was stated since Data doesn't need to sleep he's usually in command of the night shift. In the The New Frontier books state they state ships run on 3 8 hour shifts, that the Captain is in command for 8 hours, 1st office has the 2nd shift and the Executive officer (XO) has the 3rd night shift

>>86949605
those are the people who think you should be able to solve anything through talking or diplomacy when the truth is some assholes will only respond to a punch in the face

>>86950824
Sela blows up DS9 and then kills herself

>>86950826
>12 hours each day in the 24th century.
There is no money or poverty anymore but work is crappier than ever. Thanks, Gene.

>>86950911
Any society that can't reason with such people doesn't deserve to be called a society

>>86950984
i dunno i think i'd trade working a 12 hour shift for never having to commute or run errands/go shopping

>>86950984
between that and all the stuff those people do on their free time: amateur archeology, theater, music and so on the replicator logs must be constituted of aproximately 95% ratkajino request

>>86950984
>>86951130
I'd work 12 hours a day on a star ship if it means I had replicators and holodecks.

>>86950824
Those practical ship models are always so fucking good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCpYqWAIwFA
>They're requesting communications, sir.
>Let them eat static

>>86950826
The guy who replaced Picard in the "there are 4 lights" thing changed them to a 4 shift rotation of 6 hours apiece

DS9 also introduced a 4 shift rotation as it boosted morale

>>86951213
Have you seen the size of them? I always expected them to be kinda small but they're like 4 feet long

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how much do you agree with this, /trek/?

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>>86951281
The models were great.

>>86951213
The slower movements of those models gave those ships a certain gravitas the newer shows and movies and their flippflopping CGI ships are missing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkJ3--2K7yo

>>86949263
ugh, again? goddammit it's like a faucet that you have to prepare, okay?

>>86951281
The Enterprise model they made for the motion picture was like 8 feet long, and I heard that the head of the effects team originally wanted it to be 20 feet.

>>86951354
The smaller, newer Ent-D (top) was so fucking ugly

>>86951251
The thing on the Enterprise was that they were undermanned for 4 shifts, which meant people had to double up and work 12 hours third day to make it work.

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>>86951281
not star trek but..

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>>86951844

>>86951415
>prepare
ED?

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ATTENTION BAJORAN WORKERS

>>86951865
When I re watched Power Rangers Lost Galaxy I thought the uniforms looked familiar. I was surprised to learn that they were literally the exact ones from Starship Troopers lmao

>>86951308

True heros

>>86951983
That episode in general was crazy. People actually dying in Power Rangers was rare

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>>86949263

>>86951922
VOTRE ATTENTION TRAVAILLEURS BAJORIENS

IHRE AUFMERKSAKEIT BAJORLINGE ARBEITERS

>>86951865
hahaha yeah, those props appear in a bunch of other stuff too.

>>86951844
That is fucking sexy, where can I get one?

>remember your training, and you will make it back alive

>We are supposed to believe that Bajorans managed to get to Cardassia sailing the sun while still living in mud huts.

They wouldn't made out of orbit.

>>86952141
Rewatch Ensign Ro (the episode)

Bajor was a space-faring civilisation 1000 years before earth

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>Will, you need to lose at least 20 lbs by the end of the month

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>how long until we are intercepted?
>4 hours and 20 minutes
how did he get away with this?

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>>86952344
>Dr. Crusher likely gave much of the crew yearly physicals

But who gave her yearly physicals?

>>86949895
>didn't come out half bad
>saved by wormhole aliens
Sisko is the sole reason the federation didn't get wiped out

>>86952449
Probably a medical colleague or associate whenever they docked at a Starbase.

>>86949799
>If I kill them, they win
>If they kill me, I win

>>86952449
Picard took those Medical courses for a reason

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>>86952846
__;)__

>>86948936

Best edition of Picard's flute coming through.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTBUgTby93Y

>>86949647
There was a war declared by the Federation in TOS.

Your post is indicative of a pleb who never watched TOS.

Any pics of butts?

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>>86953640

>>86952183
Bajor was pretty primitive.

>>86953833
You'd be primitive too if you were occupied for 50 years and forced to toil away in labor camps and harems.

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>>86953915

>>86953915
Well then if they were so advanced how did the Cardassians occupy them so easily?

>>86953699
Thanks!

>>86954114
If you don't have shields and/or phasers then you can be conquered by anyone else who does.

>>86954215
Well then the Bajorans were pretty fucking dumb, weren't they?

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>>86954367
I'd like to see YOU try and fight off an alien invasion fleet, buddy.

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>>86945076
You know all those amazing Trek episodes? City on the Edge of Forever, In the Pale Moonlight, and many others? They won't happen because they're producing a 15 episode story arc. Discovery is shit. Trek is fucked.

>>86954459
Well if I was some supposed "advanced civilization" I'd have adequate defensive measures to be able to do so.

>>86945236
CBS. Their service isn't available in other countries so they didn't give a shit, plus it meant that Netflix paid for the entire budget for the show, it's already profitable and hasn't even aired yet. No matter what happens, they're safe, and any additional subscriptions they sell are pure profit, and will help to prop up their failing service which at the moment is only used by our mothers who watch all the NCCISCSI shit on there.

>>86944624
People like you are bad for the show, watch something else.

>>86955112
Will the "pilot" be aired on network TV?

>>86944767
Why so evil?

>>86955217
Not him but any Recs?

>>86954386
Thank you!

>>86955238
Yeah, as an additional hook to people that miss the advertising I guess, but they're going to reboot or alter the universe somehow so I'm not sure how indicative it'll be of the style.

>>86954745
https://youtu.be/SePfKKxbMCk?t=1m37s

>tfw love Star Trek but never got into deep space 9
should I give it another shot? I found it really boring compared to all the others except enterprise

>>86949647
How would Gene have handled The Dominion declaring war on the Alpha Quadrant then? You can't just ignore it and say it wouldn't happen, not everyone is peaceful and someone will eventually come along.

>>86955851
God-like aliens would have come and forced them into a peace treaty.
So basically Sisko and a founder would be trapped in the wormhole, to come to an agreement and in the end the Dominion turns into the Federation 2.0, because they are utterly convinced by the superior nature of humanity, democracy and individualism

>>86951251
>DS9 also introduced a 4 shift rotation as it boosted morale
Bajoran space stations would have to run slightly differently because they have 26 hour days.

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so, I was watching DS9 and this hapenned:
what the fuck ?!

>>86954215
You can't be space faring without shields, unless they mean space faring in the same way humans have been for decades now (i.e. totally irrelevant).

>>86955735
I feel it's worth giving another shot. Really finds it's legs after the 1st season. I'm enjoying DS9 way more now than I did the first couple times I watched it. Especially now that I'm older I appreciate the story lines more.

>>86956344
don't hate on dbz bro

>>86956344
The only time The Prophets interact with other lifeforms is to further their aim of winning the civil war against the faction of Prophets known as Pah'Wraiths

>so, I was watching DS9
Doubt it, 7 years.

>>86956344
The Bajoran spiritual episodes aren't the best.

>>86956453
no I literaly am watching it and I understand that this is part of the pah'wraith thing, what I don't get is: why does it look like a fucking anime battle on a low budget shonen?

>>86944558
>So what if The Federation made contact with a bunch of aliens who love games, and they get cheated
Great concept, great execution. I'd have loved to play that game, it reminded me of The Crystal Maze, very comfy episode.

>>86956549
I like the Keiko one, I was hoping Miles would have to kill her

>>86956564
Again, the Bajoran spiritual episodes weren't the greatest.

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>>86956823
I think that's a Miles thing? Maybe that's just me personally since O'Brien is far and away my favourite character.

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>>86952183
t. Bajoran nationalist

>>86945076
It's gonna be TV-MA if that tells you anything. Because more sex and violence is what Trek has been all about. It's never been about discussing philosophy, politics and science.

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>>86957526
Not that guy but that post kinda goes in to the argument of Bajorans being warp-faring when you look at what the other races were doing -150 years ago.

Bajorans are shit, however. Almost as bad as those fucking Cardies.

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>>86957526
>tfw you will never put an end to Bajoran terrorism.

>>86957934
The Galor class looks a lot better with the running lights on, it's a shame they didn't do that in DS9.

>>86958020
I was just thinking that for the Galaxy class lel

>>86957906
They didn't even have Science stations, the Cardassians supplied them with most of the computer tech, although limited it may have been.

>>86958114
When didn't they tho, are you talking before or after 50 years of occupation?

>>86945346
hes genetically modified but he wasnt modified to be white

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As an aspiring sci-fi writer, is it odd that I prefer to watch VOY and ENT to put me in a creative mood? Both shows have strong concepts (VOY especially fascinates me in it's setup) and some elements that I really like, but have so many flaws that it makes me start endlessly going "They should have done 'x' or 'y' in that episode!". If I watch TOS, TNG, or DS9 I end up subconciously copying the stuff in them I like instead of freethinking.

>>86958173
Even prior to the occupation, Bajor wasn't part of an galactic empire. It was just one shitty planet, one rooted in "culture and arts" and extremely religious.

Bajor is literally the middle east.

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>>86958461

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>>86958599
that emotion chip was a mistake and the movie too

>>86958392
There's nothing wrong with doing an existing concept but better as long as it isn't completely ripping off an entire episode or series. Ronald D Moore used off a fuckload of Trek concepts for Battlestar Galactica, especially Voyager, but he did it so much better and different enough that he never got called on it (at least not legally).

>>86958558
I completely agree, Bajor is shit and only got through because of Wormhole Aliens. I was just challenging where you said about them being primitive.

Humans were never part of an interstellar empire either, unless you count Borg.

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>>86958849
The Prophets were an inspiration to the Bajorans and their faith may have helped them survive the occupation, but their faith was wrong and The Prophets never intentionally intervened in their lives except during the course of DS9 when they saved the life of Sisko because he was their weapon against the Pah'Wraiths.

>>86956599
the allamarain scene isn't even that terrible. the poison gas room is worse.

the episode had top odo/quark interactions and Kira getting pissed that the starfleet officers were treating everything like a puzzle isn't of getting angry was nice

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Who /BreenConfederacy/ here?

>>86958849
well they did kick the cardies off their planet. a full scale evacuation of bajor happened. sure without the federation/wormhole they'd probably be back under occupation in no time. who knows though maybe they would have ended up allies with the Klingons who would have been happy to war with Cardassia and probably respect the Bajorans for fighting.

>>86959491
TELL ME ABOUT THE BREEN, WHY DO THEY WEAR THE MASK?

>>86958020
I think you mean
>The Galor class looks a lot better in BluRay, it's a shame they didn't do that for DS9.

>>86959491
I actually would like to hear about their sexual organs

>>86959676
The Cardassian withdrawal was a decision made by the civilian government, probably partly due to interplanetary diplomatic pressure but also because after 50 years they must have already got all they wanted out of them. It definitely wasn't a decisive military victory on the part of the Bajorans though, or they'd never have shut up about it.

>>86959676
The Cardassians were also retarded though.

They were extremely arrogant and antagonized literally every other race in the quadrant. They were in a war with the Federation just because, they never had favor with the Klingons or Romulans. They made enemies at every turn.

And if it weren't for the complete and utter lack of self-regulation and humanitarian restrictions, they'd never have "achieved" as much as they did. And eventually they fell into ruin. With nobody willing to help them. So withdrawing from Bajor was a necessary political action, at least to salvage what they could while keeping up appearances.

>>86959676
Wasn't the reason why the Cardies left Bajor because they were applying for Federation Membership?

>>86959897
This, like Uk with N.Ireland

>>86959872
I always thought that Breen were like jelly skeletons underneath the suits.

>>86959491
Never turn your back on a breen

>>86960062
I wonder if there was a war between the Romulans and the Breen, considering the references the two sides give to each other.

>>86956344

That is a rather common species of show destroyer, scientific name sharkurus jumpus.

>>86958695
I don't lift things wholesale, but it is a nice thought exercise in character motivation to rethink a plot. The sci-fi universe I write has a group which is essentially the TNG era Federation, but it's not written from that group's POV and it paints them as double talking, passive aggressive, moralizing assholes from the POV of the main characters. I have a lot of beefs with Trek, despite loving it.

>>86960603
There must have been something.

Considering that the Breen are basically on the other side of the Quadrant than the Romulans, the direct opposite side of the Federation really, there must have been some kind of skirmish between the two during the century of silence between the Federation and Romulans. Perhaps the Romulans tried to covertly go around to the other side of the Federation in some attempt of subterfuge and ran into a roadblock when they arrived in Breen space.

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>>86944558
Pick your ship

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>>86961089
I always loved the Intrepid Class (Voyager, Bellerophon), the variable geometry pylons are so very sexy.

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>>86953640

>>86961089
If I get the Borg tactical cube, do I get the Borg to go along with it.

Would be hard to manage that ship myself 2bh

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>>86961263
>the variable geometry pylons

>>86961089
Nebula Class, naturally.

>>86961089
I always liked Galor class Cardie ships. Even if they are pretty lame compared with Fed ships.

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>>86961339
>Borg tactical cube
*kicks your ass*

>>86961540
Doesn't exist. Never happened, don't ever @ me again.

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>>86961089
this one

>>86947047
B5 and DS9 were both good shows with their own merits.

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>>86961089
OG Enterprise refit best ship.

>elegant, sleek, fast looking design
>technologically superior to the original design in every way
>Survived V-Ger
>Survived Khan
Bonus points for still being THE Enterprise and having that 20 years of history behind it.

>>86961789
This fan base is pretty welcoming to other examples of the genre. Maybe it's just overall maturity that keeps away the Dc vs Marvel silliness.

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>>86961089

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>>86959875
>or they'd never have shut up about it

Have you ever heard a Bajoran talk about anything without mentioning "muh resistance" or "during my time in the resistance"?

Ill bet they're claiming they're responsible for the Cardassian rebellion by now as well.

>>86962101
Those ships are so sexy holy shit

>>86962149
I don't mean shut up about the resistance, I mean shut up about the decisive military victory. Based on what you clearly know about the Bajorans, do you really think that if The Battle of Bloobaloo made the Cardassians leave forever that you wouldn't have heard about it at all during DS9?

>>86962149
In all fairness, how often does "during the holocaust" get brought up?

When something so heinous and huge happens, one that particularly affects a large number of people, it's kind of hard not to instinctualy find relationships between things even with they might not have a strong bearing.

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>>86961089
Sovereign class

>>86955735
I tried to watch DS9 right after i had finished TNG and couldn't stand it.

I gave it a little time and then I really started to love the dynamic of the characters and the slow build towards the main arcs of the show.

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>>86962149
Come now Child we were just serving the will of the Prophets

>>86962149
Jesus fuck Damar was a great character. Why were all the best characters in the show cardassian?

>>86962613
>lol good luck opaka we will never see you or the secret to immortality ever again

>>86954013
hmm, dukat had a lot of bitches in his time

>>86962613
You're the reason there was a Kai Winn you bitch

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>>86962184
Indeed

>>86959862
Something about TNG not selling as many blu ray copies as they had hoped and it being twice as expensive to update than TOS, so CBS canned any possible plans for DS9. DS9 isn't nearly as popular as TOS or TNG so it would sell even fewer units and probably be MORE expensive than TNG.

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>>86962635
Well my dear if you ask a Cardassian they'll say because they are the greatest in everything!

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>>86962970
>and probably be MORE expensive than TNG
A single DS9 finale episode would probably take more manhours of remastering effects than a series of TNG too.

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>>86962970
It's really unfortunate.

>>86962662
Quark could have made a fortune selling directions to that planet to Klingons.

>>86964609
What's the Delta-Beta expanse? On Voyager they mentioned the "Nekrit Expanse", as a division in the Delta Quadrant, (basically separating species like the Kazon from the Borg), but that wouldn't be between the Delta and Beta Quadrants, it would be nearer the edge of the Delta Quadrant.

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>>86947570
>Picard has no respect for his science officers because they're passionless drones
I thought you couldn't even get into Starfleet without being cream of the crop

>>86965015
That map is bullshit. They're all bullshit. There are zero canon maps of all the galactic powers in the Star Trek galaxy.

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>>86965524
but that one is especially bullshit because it has made up shit that's not even from star trek on it

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>>86965269
I don't think Barclay was the cream of any crop. I also remember on Voyager there was some dude who joined Starfleet because he wanted to go to some fancy school, but need a couple years experience on some shit he could only do on a starship. I think there was also some girl who couldn't do anything right in that same episode.

>>86948177
>50 years
Speaking of, is Picard even really considered all that old considering humans live to be like 150 now?

>>86965644
No this would probably be his midlife crisis.

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>>86946430
my nigga

>>86965625
Barclay was known to be compotent, but too much of an unfocused goofy dweeb. He was the kind of guy who coasts his way to grad school but gets kicked out of his PhD program

>tfw Brocolli was more accomplished than the people he was supposed to represent

Remember that one time Kira almost pissed off the Romulans and ruined the entire war because they were being a bit sneaky and put some missiles on a moon?

God, why did they have to write Kira's character to be so retarded when it comes to anything concerning Bajor?

>SO YOU BE SAYIN' WE AINT AS IMPORTIN' AS DA ROMULANS BE TO DA WAR???
Yeah, your shitty little tribal world isn't that fucking important.

>>86965625
Yeah that was the episode where 7/9 does a performance review of the ship and finds three nobodies who aren't pulling their weight.

Reminds me of Cally from BSG, she just joined the Colonial navy to pay for dental school, then the colonies got nuked.

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>>86965015
It's all bullshit my man

>>86966253
Yeah. Sure. The Romulans did nothing wrong. All they did was construct a secret military base in soon-to-be-Federation space under the guise of a """hospital""". Nothing wrong with that.

>>86965269
>Yeah that was the episode where 7/9 does a performance review of the ship an
Did Picard not respect science officers?

>>86966654
Yeah in Federation space. Which easily would be removed once the war is over because the Federation will be able to go right up and say "take this fucking down now or we blow this moon up with all its shitty romulans inside it"

>>86966654
Well, would you trust the Bajorans to defend you if the Dominion showed up?

>>86965625
Actually I think Barclay was once called "one of my best engineers" by Geordie.

Barclay was far more capable than you think, he was just such a turbo autist that he got in his own way.

>>86967052
the prophets will protect you my child

>implying the prophets ever gave 2 shits about anybody not named Benjamin Sisko

>>86967218
The Cardies had a point when they asked "if the prophets love Bajor so much, why didn't they protect it during the occupation?"

>>86967008
Or the Romulans could say "Fuck you, we're staying" and the Federation would back down because they just fought one war and aren't ready to start another.

Better to nip it in the bud.

>>86967052
I would trust the Starfleet/Klingon fleet that's permanently in DS9's vicinity ever since it was retaken.

>>86967363
>Or the Romulans could say "Fuck you, we're staying" and the Federation would back down because they just fought one war and aren't ready to start another.

You're implying the Romulans weren't also part of this war and that they would be anywhere near the level of destructive power the Dominion were.

On top of the fact it's Federation space. They have absolutely no claim to it. And they'd have Cardassians and Klingons now also their enemy.

Face it, Romulans would be shit out of luck.

REMINDER: DS9 is casualbait for people who don't like actual Star Trek.

>>86967363
Romulans trust no one but themselves. They're arrogant dicks, that's their thing. And while I understand Kira being upset about them lying to the Bajoran government, risking their involvement in the war (which turned the war around) isn't worth it.

On the other hand, I can understand where Kira's coming from. She'd already seen her planet taken over by one galactic empire, I get that she wouldn't be thrilled when she saw another one setting up shop.

>>86967363
>I would trust the Starfleet/Klingon fleet that's permanently in DS9's vicinity ever since it was retaken.
But the larger point was that Kira almost made the Romulans angry enough to withdraw from the war, which would have inevitably led to the destruction of the Federation and Klingon empires.

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>>86967126
It takes more than being a good engineer to get by in Starfleet. You never know when some dumb bitch will turn you into a spider man.

>>86967126
barclay feels like a borderline savant but he's just a held back by being a massive shy and lazy underachiever Just like me! :)

>>86967798
>DAYTA!

>>86967344
Because they knew it wouldn't destroy them and in a way would bring about changes in their society that needed to happen. Before the occupation, they lived in a caste system so strict you could only do specific tasks linked to your family name and be able murder someone of a lower stature for not obeying you as we saw in the episode with the previous Emissary returning and enforcing this law again.

>>86967835
He's not lazy, he just lacks self confidence to go through with something.

>>86967489
It doesn't matter if the Federation would win a Federation-Romulan war. What's important is that the Federation would choose to avoid a war at all costs, and that means the Feds backing down if the Romulans won't.

The war is the only reason that the Romulans are willing to back down. They know that the Dominion will conquer them if their alliance falls apart, but they have no reason to maintain that alliance after the war is over. Once the Dominion are no longer a threat, the Romulans won't back down.

>>86968134
>What's important is that the Federation would choose to avoid a war at all costs, and that means the Feds backing down if the Romulans won't.

They'll still go to war if the cause is just. And this would be one such situation.

Why do you make the Federation sound like pussies? They went on with the Dominion War, didn't they?

I mean, they've warred with the Klingons, the Cardassians, and even the Romulans a couple centuries ago. They're pretty into war.

>>86968040
>The religion of the prophets leads to a rigid caste system that stifles Bajoran society.
>The prophets allowed a brutal occupation to last 50 years to help eliminate this caste system.

Seems like a rather roundabout way of doing things, don't you think? Why not just send an emissary to tell them to cut that shit out?

>>86968111
But therein lies where laziness comes in, so he goes and does something to procrastinate like getting his freak on with holodeck troi.

>>86951308
>That fucking BABE vorta that was only in one episode
muh dick

>>86968427
Yeah I miss Keevan too

>>86968314
>Why do you make the Federation sound like pussies?
Gene's vision.

>They went on with the Dominion War, didn't they?
Precisely why they wouldn't want another. The last war is too fresh in their memories. You need to wait about a decade or so before the Federation is willing to make war again.

>>86968353
50 years is jack shit compared to these guys. They also don't see the universe the way we do. Time itself is like an open field they can move through freely.

>>86968571
But then why would the Romulans want a war either? Why do you make the Romulans sound like war-mongerers? They've literally stayed away from any war or big confrontation for centuries, meanwhile the Federation got into every conflict they could.

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>>86968694
This reminded me of that Eddington spew.

>>86968694
Romulans don't want a war, but they love to posture and pretend that they want a war. Citation: Every episode of TNG where they have a standoff with Picard.

A war-weary Federation might believe them.

>>86968847
>Romulans don't want a war, but they love to posture and pretend that they want a war.
>A war-weary Federation might believe them.
But that's exactly the point.
The Federation will be in a pissy and angry mood. It'll be in their territory. The moon will have absolutely zero backup or help. It'll get overrun in about ten minutes.

And then what are the Romulans going to do? Launch a full on offensive into Federation space? And tussle with not only the Federation, but the Klingons and what's left of Garak's Cardassia?

The Romulans aren't THAT dumb. They'd rather not wage war either, and they'd pull their forces back.

>>86969058
>The Federation will be in a pissy and angry mood.
>It'll get overrun in about ten minutes.
I honestly think that you might be thinking of the wrong franchise. The Feds are not and will never be this aggressive.

>>86968571
I would doubt there would be much war within the Alpha quadrant. All the major powers, besides the Federation, end up going through major political changes during and after the war.

Cardassia's military leaders have brought about massive destruction to their homeworld and lost most of its cultural history in the process. Even Damar when starting the rebellion had no intentions of going back to the old ways and fought for a new Cardassia after seeing what was becoming of his people no thanks to Dukat making them join the Dominion simply to make them feel like badasses again.

The Klingon Empire is now under the leadership of a warrior who comes from the commoners rather than one of the major houses that have been calling the shots for centuries and have left the political system rife with hypocrisy and corruption. Along with having Worf being an ambassador and adviser on the side would bring about much needed change to the empire.

Romulus, due to its own constant changing of gov't and rampant xenophobia, lead to the creation of a cloned Picard who rises through the ranks and gains power during the Dominion War who then assassinates the entire senate to put himself in power. He eventually is defeated leaving it open for political change to come to Romulus after centuries of paranoia running their lives.

>>86969200
Their Klingon allies just might be. I could see Martok taking a few Romulan scalps as a personal favor to Sisko.

>>86969200
>The Feds are not and will never be this aggressive.
You know what I meant, they're not going to full assault the moon like the Klingons, but if they find missile threats on it they will dispose of them even if force is necessary and evict any and all personnel that were present on the moon.

And the Federation is very, very capable of that.

>>86969388
Your post was really good until you started talking about Nemesis and then I got mad.

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Grrr arrr drink the fucking bloodwine rrr.

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>it's a Worf episode

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>>86969200
>The Feds are not and will never be this aggressive.
What about these gentlemen? I realize that they're more subtle than a massive assault on a Romulan base, but the bottom line is that if the Federation perceives a threat to it's integrity, that threat will be dealt with, whatever it takes.

>>86969439
And every time in TNG when "force is necessary" because the Romulans broke the treaty and crossed the border and are charging their weapons, the Federation stands down first. The Federation will always stand down first because, and I say this unironically, Gene's vision.

The Feds would try to convince the Bajorans to just look the other way and let the Romulans stay.

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>>86968767
>that image

>>86969920
Who do you think gave the Bajorans the intelligence in the first place? Section 31 knew that the Romulans had a time-limited bluff, and they knew that Kira would call that bluff. Kira did nothing wrong because Section 31 wouldn't let her do anything wrong.

>>86969942
>The Federation will always stand down first because, and I say this unironically, Gene's vision.
But those are completely different scenarios. They're signs that they don't want to come to blows because what's currently unfolding is unnecessary for war.

Both the Federation and the Romulans have crossed the border and have done this. Neither wants to go to war.

But if the Federation sees that the Romulans have missiles on a moon bordering one of their Federation planets, then it opens a whole new can of worms.

Again, you keep saying the Federation are pussies, but they unironically have been in like every war since the 22nd century.

>>86969920
I was always under the impression that Section 31 was judge jury and executioner. Not even the admirals had control over their actions. I might be misremembering this however because I was playing scales when i watched the latter half of DS9

>>86969684
Why did Sisko look forward to the wine and then didn't drink it? Is that Starfleet chauvinism just telling the Klingons what they wanted to hear?

>>86970085
>Again, you keep saying the Federation are pussies
If you think Gene is a pussy then sure.
>but they unironically have been in like every war since the 22nd century.
Only when someone else fires the first shot. The Feds will never fire first.

>>86970179
It was a tacit way of saying he doesn't enjoy Martok's company when he's drunk.

>>86969920
>That chadsquad backup though

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What do you think about this guy being a Section 31 agent?

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>>86970220
>Only when someone else fires the first shot. The Feds will never fire first.
They will if missiles are on a moon orbiting a federation planet in federation space.

And look at this. Why the fuck would Romulans risk war with this kind of setup. They're at such a disadvantage.

>>86970221
"yeah bro i'm totally down to party"
later:
"bro it looks like you have party for both of us i gtg bye!"