GOD'S NOT DEAD HE'S SURELY ALIVE

>>86843177
> i can't think for myself: the movie

they made 3 movies by misinterpreting a quote

>>86843366
They made current world order by misinterpreting that quote anon

5 years later and atheist still don't have a response

>>86843366
No.

>>86843177
>he's roaring on the inside like a lion

>there is no sound coming from anyone's inside
what did they mean by this?

>>86843366
What's the third? I only know about Hercules and Sabrina.

>pureflix

Christians are so disgustingly self-righteous.

Are protestants even christian in the first place?

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People somehow still believe this dumb shit even after the internet exists
Amazing

>>86844386
No desu only coptics are

You don't have to subscribe to religion but you should definitely be spiritual.

>>86844426
We might have found the one person in the world that is more retarded than christstains

>>86844435
catholics win again

>>86844447
Thank you for revealing yourself.

>>86844402
Honestly this, that anyone believes in God flabbergasts me. People on the internet are curious about people becoming atheists but I've never even met anyone that believes in God in the first place.

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>all these atheists

>>86844651
lel. i'll let you in on a little secret
I'm a pretty vehement Catholic, but I always post fedorashit in God's Not Dead threads to inflate the post count.
I'm not satisfied unless a GND thread hits 300 posts

>>86844693
>I'm a christlarper who blasphemes against YHWH whenever I deem it funny
Yeah we know

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>>86844524
you'll grow out of your phase soon enough

Atheists do not exist. Knowing that God exists they have repressed that truth and exchanged it for falsehood. Deeming themselves wise they became fools.

>>86844651
Jesus Christ not you again

>>86843177
Only dumbass Evangelicals would make a movie based on Christian internet copypasta

>>86844693
this is how dishonest christians are
btw replying to your own posts is another good tactic

>>86844386
more christian than catholics

>>86844734
When I grow out of my atheist phase which god should I worship? There are so many. Jesus is dull, Odin has an eight legged steed. Thinking Odin.

WHY did you make the choice to believe in God? It's a choice, not a logical conclusion that can be reached through evidence. Faith is believing without having proof, and you make a choice to have faith - why?

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>>86844883
pic related.
>not a logical conclusion that can be reached through evidence
Uhh yes it can.

>>86844862
There is only one God

I think God is a woman. Think about it. Men are always fighting over her after telling them different things

>>86844935
You can't use the bible to prove the bible, anon

>>86844935
>only one God
Do I get three guesses? I say Ra the Sun God. Did I get it right??

>>86844959
Why not? You can't just dismiss the primary source because you don't like it.

>>86844935
Would you say that something "tao" is the another name for or the same thing as "God"?

>>86844954
>brain automatically tunes out boring bullshit when girlfriend is talking
>brain automatically tunes out boring bullshit when preacher is talking
You may be on to something anon

>>86844975
When all you have is the bible proving itself, any belief has to come from the assumption that it's true. Without any external confirmation it's meaningless circular logic

>>86844975
Your primary source is refuted by empirical evidence and other belief systems

>>86844975
You can dismiss the bible for being a shit source though, like archaeologists have done for years

>>86844999
I have no idea what that means and in what language so I can't say

>>86845033
It's not. For one God works within time. Jesus was a historical person. And the other you can check the consistency of it's claims and compare it to the consistency of the atheistic worldview.

All logic is circular at one point because you have to have basic presuppositions to establish how to determine truth i.e. laws of logic.

>>86844470
>idolatry and man made doctrines

The only thing you are "winning" is the reality of burning for eternity

>>86845009
>God is a jealous God
>One minute is loving and caring, next minute is smiting everything in sight

>>86845086
>dismiss the bible for being a shit source though, like archaeologists have done for years
And how did they did that?

>>86845099
>For one God works within time
prove it without using the bible

>Jesus was a historical person
prove it without using the bible

>>86845123
>god has its period
>nukes sodom

>>86845099
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tao

Laozi in the Tao Te Ching explains that the Tao is not a 'name' for a 'thing' but the underlying natural order of the Universe whose ultimate essence is difficult to circumscribe due to it being non conceptual yet evident' in one's being of aliveness. The Tao is "eternally nameless" and to be distinguished from the countless 'named' things which are considered to be its manifestations, the reality of life before its descriptions of it.

>>86845099
So the world is 6,000 years old?

>>86845153
>god objects to some adults behaving badly
>drowns almost every baby, puppy and kitten on earth to death
But remember, God is love!

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>mfw being born into the wrong religion condemns you into hell
What a great, just and benevolent God

>>86845132
I already said I reject your presupposition that I can't use the bible as evidence.
You have to demonstrate where the bible is wrong. Simply saying don't use that is not an argument.

Not that you can't see God's work in the creation and sustaining of the universe though and that there are enough extrabiblical sources for the existance of Christ that historians practically universally agree on it. Including Saint Dawkins

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>>86845175
>>mfw being born into the wrong religion condemns you into hell

Just convert to the one true religion and youll be golden

>>86845131
Nigga you can't even read the Bible in its original text, you have no fucking idea what it said or if it was even meant to perceived as it is. Fuck off

>>86845196
I reject your presupposition that the bible should be assumed factual until proven otherwise. Your stance requires faith, which is the very thing I'm questioning in the first place.

>>86845175
>rape torture and kill women your whole life
>ask god for forgiveness and go to heaven
>live a life of pure good and benevolence
>sent to hell because you always thought the bible was stupid

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>>86845209
Which one is the one true one? What if you never hear of it?

>>86845196
>You have to demonstrate where the bible is wrong

No, you have to demonstrate where it's right

>>86845158
Then no I guess. I'm sorry thread is moving to fast I'll look into it more closely later.

>>86845164
Not necessarily

>>86845211
Why would that matter? I have access to hundreds of translations and commentary who in detail explain the nuances of the original language.

>you have no fucking idea what it said
Completely ridiculous statement.
You suppress your knowledge of God. Listen to his word.

>>86843177

pretty sure i slew most of the deities in a series of video games

>>86845209
Okay thanks

>>86845229
>your presupposition that the bible should be assumed factual until proven otherwise
I never said anything like that. I'm saying you can't just dismiss the best source because it is biased you need to evaluate the likeliness of it's claims.

>>86845274
>Completely ridiculous statement.

Why?

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LOL

I AM GOING TO TRY TO CHANGE SOMEONE'S DEEPLY INGRAINED BELIEF OVER A MESSAGE BOARD.

>>86845301
On what grounds do you call the bible the "best" source?

>>86845301
In what way is the bible the best source?

>>86845301
>you need to evaluate the likeliness of it's claims.

And what is the likelihood of a talking burning bush? Evaluate that claim based on real life experience

>>86845307

Laughing at someones' beliefs is usually the best way to change their mind, actually

>>86845230
Isn't it telling that you had to completely turn christianity on it's head to make it sound dumb?
Your error is in asserting guilt to the repenting and innocence to the nonrepenting.
>live a life of pure good and benevolence
>sent to hell because you always thought the bible was stupid
No such thing. All sin and the wage of sin is death

>be a bad person, realise what you did is wrong and repent because now good person
>go to heaven
>be a bad person, arrogant enough to call yourself a good person and DEMAND god to let you in
>go to hell

member Chanology?

I member

>>86845347
Not really.

>>86845353
>>be a bad person, realise what you did is wrong and repent because now good person
>>go to heaven
>>be a bad person, arrogant enough to call yourself a good person and DEMAND god to let you in
>>go to hell

Do we have evidence of this? Maybe you could poll the denizens of Hell to find out how they got there

>>86845301
Am I right in assuming you were brought up in a christian family and have been a part of the religion since before you were old enough to have any critical thinking skills?

>>86845274
If the Christian God is real why hasn't it destroyed humanity again due to the fact that the majority of the world don't follow it's word?

Also do you truly believe that all those "translations" and commentaries haven't placed their own personal bias in their "translation" of "the Lord's word"? How do you think denominations began? Do you also believe that these commentaries aren't conflicting at all, and if they are conflicting which do you side with?


I'll tell you what, I'll live my life saying fuck God and right before I die I'll pray to each and every know god, thus increasing my odds of eternal fun times.

>>86845383

Yes really. Have you ever tried it? It works.

>>86845244
1. The indestructability of the bible
For 300 years christianity was sentenced with death and their scriptures destroyed. Yet NO BOOK OF ANTIQUITY IS AS GOOD PRESERVED AS THE BIBLE

2. The inner consistency of the bible

3. Fullfilled prophecies in the bible
Hundreds of years before the actual event

4. The influence of the bible
It is the most important book in the history of humanity

5. The confirmation of it's truth in reading by the holy spirit

>>86845392
>If the Christian God is real why hasn't it destroyed humanity again due to the fact that the majority of the world don't follow it's word?
because he said he would never do it again and the rainbow is a promise of that

>>86845361
It killed this place

>>86845409
You're retarded.

>>86845303
Because I have access to hundreds of translations and commentary who in detail explain the nuances of the original language.
What makes you think we have no clue what the original said? Do you understand what a translation is?

>>86845312
For the life of Jesus? Because it's the most detailed and earliest source on him I guess?

>>86845321
See>>86845412

>>86845328
>proove a miracle under regular circumstances
Ask yourself why you have to make silly statements like that to challenge the bible. You are repressing your knowledge of God.

>>86845419
God is a proven liar though, he even lied to fucking Abraham about murdering his child. And before you speak some bullshit, God is supposed to be omnipotent which means he knew Abraham what do what he told him so the whole experiment was a fucking lie.

And besides that how do you know that the Bible isn't a grand like by Satan to mislead the true Lamb of God?

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>>86845412
>2. The inner consistency of the bible
woah...

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Hey, that's a nice religion you got there

would be a shame if somebody tried to start a reformation

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I think this image is so triggering for atheists because they know it's true. Their belief system is just as faith based as any religion.

>>86845412
>1. The indestructability of the bible

The level of preservation of a book does not imply any truth therein

>2. The inner consistency of the bible

lol

>3. Fullfilled prophecies in the bible

Absolute rubbish

>4. The influence of the bible

Doesn't imply truth

>5. The confirmation of it's truth in reading by the holy spirit

Not an argument

>>86845479
>For the life of Jesus?
""""""""life""""""""

>>86845391
No. Convert at 24

>>86845175
All religions lead to God brother even the batshit crazy ones

>>86845479
>Ask yourself why you have to make silly statements like that to challenge the bible.

It's not silly, it's completely logical.

>>86845520

Imagine converting to a religion as an adult. Imagine being this lost.

>>86845520
Convert from what anon? :^)

>>86845453

You won't know until you try

>>86845529
Can I make a religion that's based on the idea of not believing in God and have it lead to God?

>>86845392
>If the Christian God is real why hasn't it destroyed humanity again due to the fact that the majority of the world don't follow it's word?
Out of mercy. This question specifically was addressed in the bible. Ask yourself why in the most important question of life itself you never bothered to give the bible a read to even CHECK if it may be true. You are suppressing your knowledge of God

>Also do you truly believe that all those "translations" and commentaries haven't placed their own personal bias in their "translation" of "the Lord's word"?
No I agree but we can check the different translations and commentaries to see why the translator in question translated it the way he did. Endless christians speak the original language and their theology does not differ from translation users

>How do you think denominations began?
Because people choose which parts of the bible they want to follow and which not

>and if they are conflicting which do you side with?
The better arguing one. In doubt the majority opinion. You are wrong to assume that there are grave theological differences between translators. I can assert my theology from the byzantine texts of the reformation as much as the nestle aland based on the oldest manuscripts

>>86845520
Were you in a deep depression and/or alcoholic and the only thing that gave you motivation to continue living was the notion of a god that loved you?

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>2017
>not being a Deist

I shiggy diggy doo

>>86845487
Do you know what REformation means? He purged the religion from man made dogmata as God commanded us to do

>>86845486
You can of course assert as many contradictions as you wish but you can't proove one

>>86845599
>Out of mercy.

But God has destroyed the world in the past according to the Bible. Is God a hypocrite?

>>86845495
Now you seem unbiased. The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
You suppress your knowledge of God

>>86845671

Not an argument

>>86845578
Atheism

>>86845601
No

>>86845490
Atheism is retarded which is why people are agnostic. We can't prove he doesn't exist, but it's quite unlikely

>>86845307
>I AM GOING TO TRY TO CHANGE SOMEONE'S DEEPLY INGRAINED BELIEF OVER A MESSAGE BOARD.

All you have to do is get someone to be objective and look at what they believe and why they believe it.
People who have never once questioned the what and why because thats just how they grew up, they end up changing their own minds.

>>86845653
How is it hypocritical to punish people who deserve punishment but prolong the time before you bring punishment?

>>86845694
That "Not an Argument" is cringeworthy as fuck. It doesn't make you look smart. You'd be better off just not replying to the faggot.

>>86845706
>but it's quite unlikely

So you don't believe in it then

>>86845638
How exactly can't you prove a contradiction?

I feel bad for Christians because they're really stupid. But I feel even worse for anyone who wastes their time in these heated 4chan theological debates, Christian or atheist.

>>86845714
>prolong the time before you bring punishment?

I guess God will be prolonging punishment indefinitely, because it ain't gonna happen

>>86845725
>implying you arent a christian who hates having his belief questioned

>>86845725
I feel more bad for the guy who sits quietly on the sidelines feeling superior to everyone else

>>86845716
Not an argument.

>>86845723
Because there are none. Copypasting a list of 10000 asserted contradictions and then go "see you efuted only 9999 in this 300 post thread that means you can't disprove all" is ridiculous. If you think there is a contradiction tell me and I will explain it to you

I saw some skinny teen the other day wearing a long black trench coat and a fedora, he also had a big metal Christian cross hanging around his neck, really speaks volumes as kids these days grew up with atheist parents so the new fedoras who are rebelling against their parents are choosing religion to do it

>>86845599
For your first point read the other thread, second at some point (the death of all involved in the creation of such text) the original intended interpretation of the text is lost no matter how many interpretations verify each other. You cannot check why the original translator of the Bible chose to write what he wrote because 1. People lie 2. No one stops people from lying.
3.
Yes and do you think a specific denomination goes to hell or do they all if they don't follow every word?
4.I don't think there are "grave" theological difference between translators but personalized interpretations that are ingrained into the very religion you follow, it's like a game of telephone, you will never hear or read the original words of God simply because your reading an translation of an interpretation of a few people's accounts of God that had been pass vocally and you have no way to prove otherwise.

>>86845716

Not an argument

>>86845718
Don't believe in what? God? There is a possibility of his existence but it is miniscule. Atheism implies knowledge of God not existing. Agnosticism is realizing we cannot prove either way.

>>86845755
*Tips fedora*
Ave, truly you are a debate master.

>>86845695
Did you have some life threatening event occur that made you shake in your boots?

>>86845789
He went to jail for murder, wants to repent

>>86845725
It's kinda fun to argue for the sake of it

>>86845778
Not an argument.

>>86845758
You haven't refuted single one in the pic

>>86845773
>There is a possibility of his existence but it is miniscule

Yeah, so miniscule that there's no point in beliving in it all.

>Agnosticism is realizing we cannot prove either way.

No agnosticism is you learning a new word and thinking it makes you look superior

>>86845765
>For your first point read the other thread
What?

>the original intended interpretation of the text is lost no matter how many interpretations verify each other
What makes you think that?

>You cannot check why the original translator of the Bible chose to write what he wrote
The original translator? I don't use a translation of the original translator.

>1. People lie 2. No one stops people from lying.
What about comparing to translations and the commentaries on why they translated a passage in question the way they did does baffle you? Not even your assertion that there are grave theological differences between the translations is right. Let alone that we don't have the tools to improve upon the translations

>>86845805
I'm not really trying to "argue" or present an argument I'm just telling you that you're an embarrassing retard.

>>86845833
Not an argument.

>>86845789
No.

>>86845761
Only the fake "redneck" types are being religious as a contrarian thing nowadays.

The leap from religious parents => atheist makes a lot of sense
The leap from nonreligious parents => religious kid makes very little sense

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Does anyone else think the abstract idea of heaven is stupid?

Living in a huge paradise with never-ending peace and never ending tranquility sounds boring as fuck. There's no effort, no work, no thrills, no achievement. Can you break the commandments in heaven? can you have sex in heaven? can you be mean in heaven? is it like brainwashed prison where you only think and exist with god? Or is it just one big out of time, non-corporeal, energy field like the prophets from DS9? What's the point of existing on a different plane with nothing to do for all eternity. I would rather just cease to exist if I die than be put through that type of hell.

>>86845831
>I don't use a translation of the original translator.

Then you don't know the true meaning of the Bible

>>86845846
Reply "Not an Argument" to this post.

>>86845751
I only join debates I haven't been to before. This post right now is something I haven't seen before, so I'm writing a reply to it. Everything else in this thread has already been debated on 4chan and the internet as a whole thousands, probably millions, of times. It's always pointless, inconclusive and hardly is there anything new to be learned, specially because post GG 4chan is full of illiterate armchair theologians/generals/scientists/politicians/etc who make the already limited debates even shallower.

>>86844975
I am an infallible source and I say the Bible is 100% bullshit. Prove me wrong.

>>86845829
Are you just insulting me while agreeing with me? I suppose I haven't explicitly stated enough that I don't believe in God. I believe there is a possibility.

>>86845862

You're a faggot

>>86845863
Fair enough.

>>86845789
>>86845851
Why do you assert motive to me but objectivity to yourself? Could it be you WANT christians to be illogical so you don't have to question your own ideology?

>>86845855
>knows nothing about Heaven
>says it makes no sense

>>86845887
Not an argument.

>>86845858
I think you mixed some things up there

>>86845884
> I believe there is a possibility.

There is a possibility of anything existing, you fool.

>>86845906
well then how would you define heaven?

>>86845881
Do I have any reason to assume you are infallible?
Why do you apply different standarts to christianity than any other subject if not because you know christianity is true yet try to suppress it?

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>>86845927
That's the point

>>86845906
>doesn't bother explaining what heaven really is because he also has no clue
spoiler alert: it's not real

>>86845916

No. You don't know what the true word of God is, and you never will. You only know what was written by the hand of man (fiction).

>>86845944
>If I cannot see or perceive it, it must not exist.

>>86845943

Yeah, it is. We don't talk about our beliefs of anything existing, no matter how ridiculous. We don't believe in them until there is a reason to do so.

>>86844435
Replace Tree of Life with Calvary

>>86845938
Why is the bible infallible?

>>86845957
I have a pet dragon in my garage

>>86845946
The bible is written by man but God-inspired.

>>86845957

Correct

>>86845976
was Tree of Life Catholic specifically? I haven't watched it yet

>>86846002
Not him but no that is not correct.

>>86846002
So you admit thoughts other than your own don't actually exist?

>>86845985

So sayeth the hand of Man

>>86845978
See >>86845412
Atheistic materialism cannot sufficiently explain the world because we live in God's world. This God revealed himself in the bible.

>>86846022
See debunked post?

>>86845831
1.The other fucking thread of conversation, someone else replied you dimwit read my response.

2. If you cannot verify(which you can't) that the interpretation that you read, which is a translated interpretation of personal accountings meaning that it has gone through many hands before it got to you, is the true interpretation of the word of the lord then it is more than likely you are not following the directions words of the lord, which leaves room for a lot of doubt.

3. Then what do you use?

4. People can/will fucking lie about their bias when writing down a scripture that idiots like you will follow, all it takes is one or two translators writing something that suits their personal bias while making up a bullshit excuse as to why they wrote what they did with very few people to actually verify. If you read my response then you would realize that I implied that it doesn't take grave theological differences to change information, translations aren't perfect one, and two combined with the bias of the human being translating the text or even the ever changing meaning of language (which in this case would self perpetuate this bullshit because of people like you parroting) the translation is almost certainly not the intended interpretation of the words of god


But even besides the unverifiable nature of the modern day or even past versions of the bible, no one can prove that the people who have accounts of God aren't crazy or just lying.

>>86846017

It is correct

>>86846018

The thoughts of others can indeed be perceived, through their actions.

>>86846044
It is not correct and not all thoughts are acted upon. Just stop. Your hole is way too deep.

>>86846044
Action does not equal thought, sorry, you're wrong.

>>86846078

It is correct, you've confused knowing the exact nature of something with knowing the existence of something

>>86845713
fair enough

>>86845891
I question my ideology all the time which I why I came to the conclusion that your ideology is bullshit and even if it wasn't it's not worth adopting because I don't care about some rules that a God who affect me until in dies instills even though it's more likely that group of like minded people invented your perception of God a long time ago anyway.

>>86846092

You don't know what you're arguing anymore. Action doesn't equal thought, except the action of thought.

Imagine making a movie out of a quote you don't understand

>>86845957
Wait a minute, I thought Yahweh the Jealous Jewish Overlord was ever-present and his power was obvious? Now we have to play hide-and-seek to find him?

Anyways, you still haven't described what heaven is.

>>86846039
>the interpretation that you read, which is a translated interpretation of personal accountings meaning that it has gone through many hands before it got to you
Again. You assert this but it is objectively untrue. We have the original. I can't speak the original so I look at a translation. If two translations of a word differ I read why the different translators translated it the way the did to get a better understanding of what the original author intended to communicate. At no point more than one person is between me and the author and at any time I can check the authenticity of the translator to diminish the barrier even further.
Also your claim doesn't hold stand because christians who use the original and christians who use a translation come to the same theological conclusions. There are reformers who used the byzantine greek texts, the Luther german translation and the hebrew/greek originals.
You speculate about wide discrepancies because you never studied the bible.You never studied it because you suppress your knowledge of GOd

>>86846153
Imagine living your life based on a book with sources that are unverifiable except within the book itself.

>>86846153
It's going to be a trilogy, actually.

>>86846103
I have not. Not all thoughts are acted upon but every though has existed. You have been proven wrong. Move on.

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>>86846183

>>86846145
No. The action of "thought" can not be perceived 100% of the time and is not even understood and there is no guarantee that any being is truly conscious besides myself (or yourself). By your own logic, the action of "thought" because there is no way to measure it, you can only measure someones body.

>>86846209
>Not all thoughts are acted upon but every thought has existed.

If a thought is acted upon then thoughts exist

>>86846244
That doesn't account for thoughts that are not acted upon. You have no point or argument.

Epistemology discussion on /tv/, wew

>>86846039
>all it takes is one or two translators writing something that suits their personal bias while making up a bullshit excuse as to why they wrote what they did
Which we could then spot because there are literally hundreds of translations. There is no room for such conspirational error

>translations aren't perfect one
I agree

>two combined with the bias of the human being translating the text
THAT GETS DIMINISHED because through different translations we can extrapolate which parts are bias and which are in the original text.
PEOPLE WHO USE THE ORIGINALS AND PEOPLE WHO USE TRANSLATIONS COME TO THE EXACT SAME CONCLUSIONS
>or even the ever changing meaning of language
Then why are there no major denominational differences between languages? There are ways to translate things without gravely changing the meaning and no other book is as carefully or often translated as the bible allowing us to diminish translation errors to virtually zero.
Given that PEOPLE WHO USE THE ORIGINAL AND PEOPLE WHO USE A TRANSLATION COME TO THE EXACT SAME THEOLOGY there are no differences betwen the languages that matter

>>86846232
>there is no guarantee that any being is truly conscious besides myself (or yourself).

Then you agree with my point that

>If I cannot see or perceive it, it must not exist.

>>86846244
Not all thoughts are acted upon however those thoughts still existed. Stop.
Replying.

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>this thread

>>86846285
nice try, but if anyone is black it's the Christian.

>>86846260
>That doesn't account for thoughts that are not acted upon.

That's not a requirement of the argument. Only that thoughts exist.

>>86846158
Can you prove that the "original" is the original?

I don't suppress my knowledge of God , the knowledge of God doesn't assert itself in my life and therefore doesn't affect my life. "God" hasn't affected my life in a negative way even though I don't believe in him so why should I start now?

To be direct, it doesn't matter that I don't believe in God because you have no actual way of verifying any of the shit you believe, the accounts of God could have been false but consistent within the beliefs of what God was at the time but does it mean they happened? No. You have no way of verifying that anything in the book happened regardless of translation interpretation the very text is non verifiable, the accounts also non verifiable, all of the shit is non verifiable because it happened a few millennia ago.

Cogito

>>86846283
How did you connect those dots exactly? No. I do not agree with your point. Your point is wrong.
>>86846305
You have no way of knowing if thoughts exist unless they are acted upon or expressed, nor does anyone. So by your own logic, thoughts that are not acted upon don't exist.

>>86846284

>>86846305

>>86843177
4 u

>>86846332
How do you know if a thought exists unless it is acted upon?

>>86844386
No, proties are degenerate heretics

>>86846319
>Can you prove that the "original" is the original?
What?

>I don't suppress my knowledge of God
Yes you do. The bible is the most important book in history yet you are fully contempt with second hand accounts by enemies of the faith on what it actually teaches. Have you ever unbiased studied the life of Jesus Christ and his early church? The prophecies?

>>86846330
>So by your own logic, thoughts that are not acted upon don't exist.

Thoughts themselves are an action, anon.

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>>86846370
>The bible is the most important book in history
Uh, no it isn't.

Pic related, your shitty Jewish book rips off the flood part.

>>86844409
>reject chalcedon
>only true Christians
lmao no

>>86846352

We don't. Do you go around having any idea what other people are thinking at any given time? You do not.

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>>86846370
>The bible is the most important book in history

>>86846379
Lmao

>>86846330
>How did you connect those dots exactly? No. I do not agree with your point. Your point is wrong.

Prove that other people think then

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>>86846370
>The bible is the most important book in history

>>86846379
>>86846408
You can't know that there are any ideas in someones head though, not unless they articulate it or show it somehow. "Thought" is not understood, nor is it a measurable action (Like bringing your finger to your nose).

>>86843177
This movie is terrible because it exemplifies the most shallow, normified, braindead theology possible.
It's the theologians version of big bang theory

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>>86846370
>The bible is the most important book in history


ironic shitposting, is still shitposting

>>86846464

Good. So how does that contradict my point that

>If I cannot see or perceive it, it must not exist.

>>86845103
>accuses true christians on idolatry
>meanwhile holds "multi faith" services with kikes and sandniggers

The only true churches are the ones who follow apostolic succesion, Catholics and Orthodox (and of course the coptic and the other ones) you don't follow christ, you follow what a dumb tv celebrity preacher tells you to follow

>>86844862
>which god should I worship
You're already worshipping yourself since you've given yourself the authority to decide with deity is real

>>86846459
>>86846430
I'm not even Christian but it's a fact not an opinion it's the most ever sold book of all times.
Tell me of another ~1850 years old book that is at least half as popular as the Bible.

>>86845486
>>86845486
This chart is full of shit. Misinterpretation and comparing verses from different versions of the Bible.

>>86846497
Because thoughts do most certainly exist.

>>86846263
There is room for conspirational error especially when you consider the fact that there are hundreds of translations, that very fact could prove conspiracy (probably doesn't but oh well) if there's hundreds of translations there would have to be subtle deviations in each of them.

If you get rid of all deviations in the name of bias how will you know if the "biased" one is correct or incorrect? Just because it's different?

The people come to the same fucking conclusions because the religion is called Christianity regardless of the deviations in text as long as Jesus is in the text. The people who use the originals and people who use translations are already like minded individuals leaning on each other to verify the others words, the translators most like listen to people who read the originals as verification of what's right or wrong . And besides the theological conclusions that they all agree on are the simplest, god exists and created the world, Jesus was born, Jesus died, besides that there are all sorts of differing opinions and interpretations of the book, while all "minor" they begin to stack up.

>>86846459
>>86846479
>>86846430
>>86846401
It is though. In terms of how much influence it had on humanity.

>>86844883
So you can only do things if they can be "concluded through evidence"?
What evidence did you find for eating the last meal you ate?

>>86845234
You go to limbo for eternity to hang out with Plato, Socrates and Marcus Aurelius

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>>86846510
>twilight and harry potter are the best selling teen fiction in the last 20 years so wizards and vampires be gawdz n shiet

>>86846524

You're not making a very good argument for their existence

>>86846401
>rips off the flood part
t. retard who doesn't realize every culture has their own flood myth

Try actually reading Gilgamesh instead of memeing, it's nothing like the Bible

>>86846547
False equivalence

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>>86846533
>influence it had on humanity


yes countless deaths and wars is so awesome bro. great god you have.

>>86846556
You aren't making a very good argument for anything. Your logic is flawed and you refuse to accept it.

Are American protestants the biggest cucks in history?
>Believe that god is almighty, all knowing and benevolent
>He gives your kid cancer and kills it
>"I-it's the way of the lord, you can't know what he's planning. I'm sure it was for the best of all."

>>86846542
>What evidence did you find for eating the last meal you ate?

The contents of my gut and the subway wrapper in my bin

>>86846543
That sounds fun though

>>86846510
>sales = significance

am I on /v/ right now?

>>86846547
>last 20 years
Come back in a thousand years and you'll have an argument

>>86845229
Suppose faith is never a good enough reason to believe in something.
On what should we base our knowledge of the world?

>>86846573

My logic isn't flawed, I haven't made a contradiction once. You on the other hand don't seem to know what you're trying to argue.

>thoughts might not exist in anyone but ourselves
>except they totally do because reasons

This is you ^

>>86846571
Yeah bro now that we're atheists all wars are finally gone. Nice

>>86846583
No, what evidence did you find that lead you to conclude that the last meal you ate was the meal you should have eaten?

>>86846607
tell god or jesus to have came back or did le miracle within that amount of time

>>86846556
Thoughts exist dumb ass. Just because your definition of existing is retarded doesn't change reality.

>>86846634

Speak English Poindexter

>>86846370
Can you prove that the asserted "original" copy of the Bible is truly the original? Nope ya can't.

The book isn't important to me nor is it really integral to anybody's life in this point and time so that's wrong.

I've read the fucking Bible, I was raised Christian until I was about 11, even then I only thought the stories were fun little myths that had to be completely unconnected to "god" simply because nothing that is uniquely in the Bible is integral in anyone's life including mine. The prophecies are shit until proven not to be, god doesn't exist to me until he affects my life in a completely direct way no just some coincidence. You cannot prove me otherwise without bringing up some book that has no importance to my actual life besides being something vaguely interesting when I was a kid.

>>86846635
Story doesn't have to be real to be important.

>>86846638
>Thoughts exist dumb ass

Yeah, my thoughts. Prove that yours exist though

>>86846668
just like the bible

>>86846630
Lol there would be far less wars with no actual earthly purpose if religion didn't exist, you have to admit this.

>>86846676
Prove that your thoughts exist in my reality

>>86846624
Notice the MIGHT not exist. You're arguing for absolutes and your logic is flawed. They do exist because I can think and you cannot know what I am thinking. Just because you do not know what I am thinking does not mean I am not thinking. BUT you have no guarantee that I am thinking unless it is articulated, so by your own logic thoughts do not exist unless they are acted upon because you cannot perceive them and they are not measurable to anyone other than the person who is thinking them.

>>86846676
Prove my thoughts exist? Are you retarded? I'm having a fucking conversation with you. Christianity has melted your brain.

Does freewill exist?

>>86846686
Yeah. I don't think it's real, I just think it's very important.

>>86846698
>less wars with no actual earthly purpose
Name literally ONE.

>>86846704

I can't. Now what?

>>86846731
Any war in which the warring parties exclaimed that the purpose of the war was religion.

>>86846712

I'm not a Christian, I'm the exact opposite and that's why we're having this argument right now. Are you too dumb to follow a conversation? You obviously aren't able to think

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HOW TO CONQUER FAITH IF YOU JUST DONT BELIEVE IT?

Im serious here. I would love the comfort of feeling engulfed in some allcompassive love and sense of purpose but I just cant bring myself to truly believe in God.
What to do?

>>86846578
What's with mindset that God is responsible for all the bad things that happen? Stop being fucking children.

>>86846780
Love yourself.

>>86846714
if there really is a god in the sense of the Abrahamic religions, then no

if there isn't, then yes

>>86846754
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
And the invasion of Iraq was about WMDs and bringing democracy to Iraq, right?

>>86846769
Not am argument.

>>86846791
loving yourself doesn't magically make you believe in a supernatural deity

>>86846754
>exclaimed that the purpose of the war was religion
That's just propaganda. Wars weren't actually fought for religion back in the day just like they're not actually fought for democracy and freedom in current year. There's always an underlying reason that makes actual real life sense.

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>>86846791
that's not an option

>>86846809
No but you can tap into your own divinity and be the "God" of your own life at the very least.
>>86846826
I love you.

>>86846826
Haha, foolish untermensch. It is always an option

>>86846803
Hey atleast if religion didn't exist it couldn't be used as an excuse, and I wouldn't be conscious of the fact that you exist nor you me. Also alot of goatfuckers in the middle East actually believe the shit so that could use as evidence.

>>86846710
>so by your own logic thoughts do not exist unless they are acted upon because you cannot perceive them and they are not measurable to anyone other than the person who is thinking them.

Your thoughts are perceptible though. They can be perceived through the action of you telling me that you have them. I can also make the inference that you have them because we are both the same kind of being and that you perceive things in the same way that I do. Ergo, If you perceive your own thoughts, and I perceive my own thoughts, and we are both humans, then thoughts are indeed perceptible.

>>86846780
It's all just a metaphor. At the end of the day your experience of life is just the universe experiencing itself. Whether you attribute divine will to the universe or not is a matter of opinion.

>>86846810
I know but the people not in power used to fight because of their religion. Different agendas for different levels in the caste system.

>>86846885
Deep man. *passes joint*

>>86844370
No we're righteous by God. Who are you righteous by? Oh that's right yourSELF.

>>86846661
>Can you prove that the asserted "original" copy of the Bible is truly the original? Nope ya can't.
It isn't but it contains the original. That is why there is barely differences in the oldest manuscripts

>I've read the fucking Bible
I seriously doubt that

>some book that has no importance to my actual life
If you want to discuss christianity you have to discuss the christian bible that's kind of the deal.
Coming to a discussion about christianity and then raging when someone brings up the bible because you are trying to suppress your knowledge of god is silly.

>>86846899
And now people not in power fight for freedom and democracy. Doesn't matter. Plebs will always be manipulated by their masters.

>>86846865
If it weren't religion it'd be some other scapegoat

>>86846866
An inference is a guess, you're having faith in the fact that my thoughts are still there when I'm not articulating them, despite you having no proof or way to know that is the truth. Interesting.

>>86845529
This is arguably worse than "spiritual but not religious"
How can Buddhism and Islam and Celtic paganism all lead to the same diety?

>>86846714
No

>>86846780
What seems to be your issue with it? All faith that isn't based on the authority of scripture will never give you peace. But the scripture is divinely inspired and we have evidence of that inspiration

>>86846922
>>86846925
Yea but some scapegoats are more believable. Like democracy.

>>86846947
How is being spiritual but not religious bad?

>>86845725
>I feel bad for Christians because they're really stupid
Say that to Thomas Aquinas and watch what happens

>>86846912
It's true though. Believing in unique free souls experiencing life independently is a far bigger stretch than believing that all life is just experienced by the world itself.

>>86846967
Just makes it a better tool for justifying war. Democracy wasn't actually ever proven to be superior.

>>86846560
>t. retard who doesn't realize every culture has their own flood myth
t. retard who doesn't realize the Epic of Gilgamesh is the earliest known epic work of fiction that predates the Torah significantly, and that the Jews used to be polytheists until they ripped off monotheism from the Zoroastrians
Your Bible is fanfiction of fanfiction, it belongs solely in the desert it came from.

>>86846987
Yeah.. *inhales marijuana smoke*

>>86847039
You sure told him.

>>86846507
Isn't that what you did? Or did someone just tell you which one it is and you believed them?

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>>86846630
>all atheists
>no more wars caused by religion
sounds good, now nobody has to die because magic undead Jew likes ME more than YOU

>>86847086
How many people were murdered by the atheist religion? Explicitely because of atheism not as a side product?
How many people went into the gulag because the atheist religion doesn't tolerate apostasy?

>>86847076
I came to a conclusion based on personal experience. I didn't stand on a street corner and ask people "should I be a christian or a muslim or a buddhist or etc"

>>86844447
Yes, and it's you. Spirituality does not equate to religion; in fact, religion suppresses spirituality by providing ready-made "answers" and therefore discouraging you from exploring the unknown yourself.

>>86847038
>Epic of Gilgamesh is the earliest known epic work of fiction that predates the Torah significantly
So? Almost every culture has a flood myth, doesn't mean they all stole that idea from Babylon. Some of those cultures weren't even in contact with Babylon.

>>86846919
The point of the question was that can you verify that any other words in the original manuscripts or whatever are based on fact without faith or the Bible itself as proof?

2. Doubt whatever you want just like I'll doubt God exists

3.I don't wanna discuss Christianity I wanna discuss the existence of God, you just choose your flavor of the Kool aid. Also you've done nothing to disprove any of my beliefs you just try to reinforce your own which is fine but it's not gonna make me change. This thread wasn't made to discuss Christianity it was made to induce conflict with Christianity as the topic, you bring up a book that has no actual proof behind it besides some old mentally ill people's accounts of when they saw god or "miracles", your entire argument here has been a bunch of people who are biased to believe the book is factual believe the book is factual so it must be factual. You don't even consider the fact that other religions have existed longer than Christianity and have had the same level of translation and interpretation as Christianity because you are too afraid to realize that your societal bias had conditioned you to believe in Christianity rather than some other religion with just as much proof behind it.

>>86847086
>because magic undead Jew likes ME more than YOU
Yeah, now it's just living Jews who tell you who to fight. Much better.

>>86847024
Yea but there are historical examples of what appear to be democracy in the world today, religion not so much. It's probably why the US isn't going to war to defend Christianity or whatever, religion isn't really affecting the lives of US citizens like it used to.

>>86846542
False equivalence, deciding which action to take is not the same as unironically claiming the existence of literal magic in this real world we live in

>>86843177
you cant kill what is all ready dead

>>86847283
>taking an action is not the same as taking an action

>>86844975
I'd say this is bait but sadly I know that christfags are actually this dumb

>>86845758
I missed the post where you refuted 9999 of them?

>>86847181
>can you verify that any other words in the original manuscripts or whatever are based on fact without faith or the Bible itself as proof
Yes. Jesus was a historical person. If you ask whether I can verify theological statements that are only made in the bible without the bible no that would be silly.

>You don't even consider the fact that other religions have existed longer than Christianity and have had the same level of translation and interpretation
How would that be relevant? We see God's existance in the creation and order of the universe. I CLAIM this God inspired the bible and my EVIDENCE for it is >>86845412. No other religion can make these claims for itself. And again. God interacted in time. Jesus was a historical person. You can disagree (theoretically) on whether or not he was who he claimed to be but you aren't even engaging the argument. And I tell you this is because you suppress your knowledge of God and invite you to open your heart and read the bible with an open heart and he will guide you to all truth as he has done with more people in history than any other ideology. And the reason the bible is able to this is that GOd so loved the world he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

>>86847362
>reading comprehension

>>86847313
Using insults to wash over inconsistent statements. The height of atheistic apologetics.

>>86845638
>He divided Europe with a weak, no-authority Christianity that slipped into atheism

>>86847381
I think I see the problem here. You don't know what "verify" means. Imagine if this anon's logic was used in actual court cases

>>86845490
>all atheists are gnostic atheists
Kys

>>86847415
What inconsistent statement are you referring to?

What's up with americans thinking anyone who isn't religious is an atheist?

>>86843177
>God is dead
>thinking this is a statement of metaphysics rather than one of the loss of spirituality in western civ
Think about it, why would someone who doesn't believe in god say that he was dead, if as far as nietzsche is concerned he was never literally alive in the first place?

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>>86847309
(You)

>>86847508
It is perfectly justifiable to use biased sources on a subject if you evaluate the bias of the sources. The bible IS the main source of christianity. To reject the bible in a discussion about christianity is completely preposterous and no serious scientist does it on any subject.

>>86845706
Agnosticism is atheism for the weak. Everyone knows that there's no true way of "knowing." That's not the fucking point; the point is pondering it and making a fucking decision. Doubt is but another part of faith.

"Agnostics" are like that little kid who leaves blank SAT slots because he's scared of losing points more than he wants to get points.

what the fuck even is this thread and how has it not been deleted yet after 300 posts

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Post religious films so it's /tv/ related

>The christian god is the one true god because of the bible

>The muslim god is the one true god because of the qu'ran

ughhhhhhh?????????

>>86847613
smug reddit atheists arguing with Christians that don't know what they're talking about

>>86845412
>1. The indestructability of the bible
>For 300 years christianity was sentenced with death and their scriptures destroyed. Yet NO BOOK OF ANTIQUITY IS AS GOOD PRESERVED AS THE BIBLE
It's not that well preserved considering disliked swathes of it were removed at the council of Nicea. And desu the torah is older and is preserved fine, and makes more sense and has a higher logical consistency. Also, the roman empire helped. Quite a bit in spreading Christianity when they stopped liking Judaism, so doesn't mean God helped. Anyway, doesn't mean it's true

>2. The inner consistency of the bible
Like that bit where God said Adam would die on the same day he ate from the tree, but Adam lived for hundreds of years after leaving the garden. Or that bit where God is claimed to be omniscient, but admits he didnt see who would succeed to the throne is some shitty OT country, as it was hidden to his eyes

>3. Fullfilled prophecies in the bible
>Hundreds of years before the actual event
Give mw one specific prophecy that isn't "people will dislike this shit ideology I've pulled out my arse and will persecute you for believing in it"

>4. The influence of the bible
>It is the most important book in the history of humanity
It's a nice book (sometimes) with some ok moral lessons (and some terrible ones) and it makes people feel nice and safe if they believe in it. That doesn't mean any truth values can be gotten from that, unless you're a feels > reals guy

>5. The confirmation of it's truth in reading by the holy spirit
This doesn't even mean anything

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I refuse to watch this movie because religion is a constant source of anxiety for me
>be raised a Christian
>by an evangelical mother who sees it as the most important thing in the world
>go to a bunch of church camps in teens, sometimes think I get it but other times pretend to get it to fit in with my friends from church who were having all these mystical experiences
>skip to age 21, go to church maybe once every time I come back from uni
>dont talk about my waning faith because mother reacted bitterly to my brother being explicitly atheist
Maybe Calvin was right

>>86847217
>historical examples of what appear to be democracy
So? It being real doesn't mean it's worth fighting wars for. China isn't a democracy and it's the biggest economy now. So why kill people for democracy? Because you BELIEVE people need it? They don't.

>>86847686
>disliked swathes of it were removed at the council of Nicea
The council of Nicea didn't discuss canon issues nor was a single verse of the bible removed there

>>86847665
Religion BTFO

>>86847686
>removed at the council of Nicea
Because they were wrong.

>"How do you know they were wrong--"
They were promoted by heretical sects and were explicitly condemned by Church leaders of the day. Funny how fedoras love bringing up the Gospel of Thomas, but none of them seem to know how it was unequivocally denounced by Irenaeus.

>>86847586
this anon has just as many votes as you do, dear reader

>>86847686
>And desu the torah is older and is preserved fine, and makes more sense and has a higher logical consistency
It is part of the bible.

>Also, the roman empire helped. Quite a bit in spreading Christianity when they stopped liking Judaism, so doesn't mean God helped
You a what? Christianity was met with death sentences for 300 years

>Or that bit where God is claimed to be omniscient, but admits he didnt see who would succeed to the throne is some shitty OT country, as it was hidden to his eyes
Can you give me a verse on that?

>Give mw one specific prophecy
The crucifixion of the messiah in Jesaja 800 bc and centuries before the rise of Rome and crucifixtion as a method

>>86847706
Don't worry about mystical experiences anon.
Only God can create those, so maybe you're just not ready for or even built for mystical stuff.
Further, basing faith on mysticism makes for a weaker faith.
>Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Christians are kids who needed to be told that santa wasn't real and were shocked when they found out

>>86847686
>The influence of the bible
>unless you're a feels > reals guy
Now you're not even pretending to listen anymore. I clearly said: The bible which claims to be inspired by God being the most influental book in human history is evidence that it's claims on divine inspiration are true.
How can you not see your own bias in this?

>>86847283
>>86846611

>>86847706
>all these mystical experiences
Popefag here; I need a quick rundown.

>>86847665
All religions are different paths trying to get to the same thing.
Enlightenment, Samsarna, Heaven are all words for the same state of being.

>>86847813
>Because they were wrong.
The council of Nicea didn't decide on the canon of the bible. It's a modern myth from da vinci code.

>>86847153
this guy has to be baiting. Can't believe you'd say anything as stupid unironically.

>>86845480
*omniscient

Also, I think the God actually being satan is a hypothesis that doesn't get attention. In the Bible, God messes with peoples thoughts (hardens Pharaoh's heart), tricks people into doing pantsonhead retarded things like giving up their daughters to be raped and punishes people wantonly without letting then know what consequences their actions will entail, like with Saul and holding some animals back to sacrifice to god later, and with the woman who looked back at s&g who turned into a pillar of salt. Presumably, the women and Saul both went to hell too, which would be fucked because one single act that they couldn't have known to be "bad" condemned them to an eternity of non-existence. Also he kills a buttload of people for their perceived sins, but he doesn't even explicitly tell them what they're doing is "bad" or even appear to them unless it's to kill them. And he's fickle, choosing to show he's definitely there in the OT then saying through jesus he's not there for magic tricks

>>86847922
>All religions are different paths trying to get to the same thing.
but both religions say there is only one god, and they want heretics to be killed
so if they're the same god they want everyone dead?

>>86847922
Only if you completely ignore what the religions you're stealing from teach about those things.
Buddhist enlightenment is nothing like Christian heaven

>>86844975
>people are unfortunately still this retarded.
Technology was supposed to sort this out...

>>86847929
I didn't really think of that until after I made the post, but yeah. It amazes me how quickly atheists switch between historical, scientific, and philosophical areas when attacking religion and going after whatever might work without really analyzing it; like mice trying to find weak spots from which to burrow under a house.

>>86845099
Oh look, presuppositionalists. The new christfag meme populated by youtube born agains.

>>86848046
They are not seeking the truth because they know the truth and suppress it.
Acknowledging God's existance forces them to evaluate their own evil ways in face of a holy God

>>86848070
They are part of the argument though. You just don't want to engage the argument

>>86848070
>Kill people for god
>Holy thing

>Don't believe in god
>Evil sin
good job

>>86845274
>the world is not necessarily 6000 years old
Kek

>>86848110
>obey God good
>disobey God bad
Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

>Kill people for god
If you distinct between kill and murder I'm okay with that statement. You shall not murder. I can't think of any situation since the coming of christ were you have to kill people for God though

>>86847905
>Now you're not even pretending to listen anymore. I clearly said: The bible which claims to be inspired by God being the most influental book in human history is evidence that it's claims on divine inspiration are true.
This is a non sequitur, please stop. Most influential does in no way imply divinely inspired
>How can you not see your own bias in this?
What bias? You're literally making giant logical leaps to show something you want to be true is true

>>86847813
>the Bible is the true and unerring word of god
> but if enough important people dislike God's word they can remove the bits they dislike
Pharisees in all but name desu

>>86847777
>>86847929
Source

>>86847865
The teachings of the torah are slightly divergent from the bibles OT, what with things like angels not having free will

Lrn2history, yes the empire didn't like it initially, then Judaism became a threat and bam they started liking it

>not even knowing the Bible's teachings but placing so much faith in them
Embarrassing maybe you should read it again and get closer to God's word


Lmao nice prophecy it doesn't even translate properly and the words (especially referring to what happens to his hands and feet) can have so many meanings the prophecy isn't specific.
Even if this was a good prophecy, there is no reason to believe the story of jesus wasn't written with psalms in mind to try and make a logically coherent book, given how geographically close (relative to the entire world) all the events of the Bible are
>>86848070
>muh people won't believe my fantasy because they want to be ebil

>>86848165
>I can't think of any situation since the coming of christ were you have to kill people for God though

>What were the crusades

>>86848012
>Buddhist enlightenment is nothing like Christian heaven
Have you visited both?

>>86848110
>Thou shalt not kill

>>86848220
except when god tells you to ofc, or in this case, the pope

>>86848165
>muh kill/murder distinction
Lmao doesn't even exist in Hebrew, the murder word is used for general violence, like fighting in a war, beating people up and legal (under God given Israelite law) killing

>>86848184
>>What were the crusades
A combination of a political move between Byzantine Empire and Feudal Europe and defense against Islamic conquests. Any more questions?

>>86848220
>>Thou shalt not kill
Why do they let a person see a priest to pray and shit right before lethal injection?
Can you not kill in self defense?
Would it have been a sin to kill stalin/hitler/mao?

>>86848248
Are you really this retarded about history because it makes the Catholic Church look icky poo poo?

>>86848220
The Hebrew uses the word for murder, not general killing.
Blame bad translators

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>one of the ten commandments (the chief rules that God allegedly gave) prohibits idolatry, his followers can't make images of worship
>unlike some other prohibited stuff in the old testament that gets a lift, the new testament does reinforce that idolatry is wrong in the eyes of God
>Catholics, the biggest denomination of Chritianity, have its followers (from the Pope to the most common peasant) kneeling, praying, and asking stuff to various statues and paintings of saints, the virgin Mary, and Jesus in the cross

Could somebody explain me this? Prefferably an actual Catholic who knows his shit, I'd rather not hear a Baptist or Adventists or Mormon going "hurr they suck, our clubhouse is better".

>>86848293
They're not praying to the statue/painting, just contemplating it

>>86848178
>Most influential does in no way imply divinely inspired
It actually does.

>You're literally making giant logical leaps
I haven't made one. You just reduce my claims to make them sound illogical. I said that a bookthat claims to be Godinspired becomes the most influential book in human history is evidence of that inspiration to be true. Evidence not proof. And it is. Whether you find it compelling or not. It is not a logical leap. AND I presented it in a broader argument for the inspiration of the bible.
You can't just redefine words because you don't like the truth

>but if enough important people dislike God's word they can remove the bits they dislike
The council of Nicea did not decide on the bible canon. ASK YOURSELF: WHY do you hold the lowest possible standart to arguments against christianity but reject all arguments for it beforehand? Using Dan Brown to not engage in 3 minutes of googling council of Nicea should be all the proove in the world that you just hate christianity and therefore dismiss it's truth

>Source
The council itself? No person there claimed to discuss the bible canon and the bible canon before and after it was the exact same and no peron who seeks for the canon compilation today refers to the council of nicea. You are not even grasping at straws here. You are literally winding to desperately find any reason to not believe in christianity. And since there are none you believe in Dan Brown

>>86848293
Ex-Catholic here, believe me when I say that the entire denomination requires a level of cognitive dissonance to get past New Testament hurdles other denominations take more literal. Some Catholics even literally believe Mary can communicate through statues...

Why don't people stone whores anymore?
I thought that was in the old testament right?
You know, the one closest to the source, not the revised new testament?

>>86848324
I was a Catholic and I am telling you that you are full of shit.