Starship Troopers: Traitor of Mars

What made the nips latch onto Starship Troopers?

>>86814685
>nips
Obviously the giant monsters?

>>86814685
Mechs I guess, there was even an 80s anime
https://youtu.be/XIZty-Eol4s

Why does he keep appearing in these? He should boycott them until they make a proper sequel

>>86814766
>a proper sequel
Starship Troopers 2 was bad, but the third one was pretty good. And this one is also fun, you should check it out.

I think the man just loves to play Johnny Rico.

>>86814766
He appeared in some low budget comedy too. I don't think anyone is seeking him out for roles, so he does it to get a steady income, plus he gets to play a badass every time. It's not like he's the comic relief dumb character.

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>>86814890
Sad how he never really made it big, are they afraid of the perfect Aryan?

>>86814890
>He appeared in some low budget comedy too.
He was masterpieces such as Star Raiders: The Adventures of Saber Raine and Army Dog, so, yeah. A man's gotta eat.

>>86815005
>>86815008
When I first saw him in the first movie, I really thought he would be big for a couple of years. It was sad that it never panned out that way. He's handsome.

I wish they'd go back to liveaction all the cg films bomb

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>CGI nudity

Man, its just so awkward looking.

>>86814631
Just downloaded it, is there supposed to be a sort of constant staticky looking film grain over it?

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I'm glad they finally made him Filipino like he supposed to be

I know Kojima is derivative but why are they ripping off MGS so hard?

>>86815544
explain how it's ripping off MGS

>>86814631
They need to do a Halo movie.

>>86815525
>buenos aires is in SEA
what the shit

>>86815798
he is ethnically filipino

>>86815708
There are several Halo movies. They all suck.

>>86815232

There wasn't even nudity in it.

>>86815988
Do you have source for that? I honestly have no clue?

>>86814631
Sky Marshall chick is a cute.

>>86816175
>book

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Anyone else wanted to punch Carl right in the fucking face for bullying this qt?

>>86816230
how many bugs is she hiding in that massive dome she calls a forehead

>>86816257

All the better to suck out your brains from.

>>86816175
in the book he mentions it in the last paragraph.

he talks about a phrase in his native language (tagalog/Filipino)

>>86816198
Been meaning to read the book for some time now, got like a scan of the page? I also know the book is pretty different from the live action since the M.I usually roll with powersuits (I like how they showed it here)

>>86816230
Same, Carl and Snapps motivation to continue the war were the same and Mars was going to be destroyed either way because if they left, the other colonies might have left too.

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Sky Marshall Snapp looks a lot like Emma Watson

>>86816396
You just ruined her for me Anon.

>>86816396
what's it like living with face blindness?

>>86816396
more pronounced cheeks bones and less "baby fat"

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are there seriously no sweet CG tits in this one?! fucking japs disappointing me

>>86816396
Thought so too. They must have used Emma as a reference model.

When Snapp started to bleed, it gave me a massive erection holy shit.

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>>86816396
Why is her head so big?

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>>86816610
smartest woman on earth

Did they really had to kill Dutch just because 101 said "The bugs have your number" at the start?

>>86816175
>Sky Marshall chick is a cute.
She looks a lot like Emma Watson for some reason

>>86816298
>Same, Carl and Snapps motivation to continue the war were the same and Mars was going to be destroyed either way because if they left, the other colonies might have left too.
She wants to keep the war going for good ratings. He wants to keep fighting the war because otherwise the bugs overrun us. Carl is based.

>>86816676
>smartest woman on earth
You know she had her PR guy write that, right? She isn't even psychic.

>>86816807
Was it only for ratings? I mean she's already a Sky Marshall. Carl used Rico's dead gf and then went tsun at Rico when he mentions they weren't friends anymore.

>>86816807
>Carl is based.
of course he is
his methods are questionable, but he does it for humanity
she does it for herself

>>86816908
It was obviously just for ratings, she actually says so in the movie. There are also several scenes where she's thrilled to see her ratings go up, and butthurt to see them go down. She even hatches a plan to get rid of a whole fucking planet (that's got to count for something strategically) just for ratings.

And Carl going "nooo I would never do that how could you think such a thing" was more of a callback to the first movie imo. It could also mean that he was aware of her plan but decided to let her go on with it so he could be there when it blows up in her face.

That anon gets it. >>86816988

>>86817040
I know her motivations had to with "ratings' but for what? isn't sky marshal the highest rank in the Federation already? I just can't bring myself to like Carl, he manipulates people and being sanctimonious about it. Never read the books but did they ever mention if it was possible to have a ceasefire with the bugs?

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Didn't she died in the first movie ?

>>86817250
Didn't you watch the movie? She was a psychic illusion to give Rico a murderboner to survive.

>>86817142
Yes it's the highest rank, but she obviously has a huge need to be loved. Sky Marshalls are appointed, not elected, so it stands to reason that there could be unpopular ones.

The book is very different from the movies, there are no psychic powers in the books, and Carl is killed early in the war. Also Diz is a dude. In the books Mankind is at war with several alien civilizations, including the Arachnids, and in all of these wars Mankind is the aggressor, truces aren't really considered.

In the movies it's implied that if we just left the bugs alone they'd stop attacking us, and there's also the popular fan theory that the bugs didn't even have anything to do with Buenos Aires.

Carl does what he does because the survival of mankind is at stake in the movies. His methods are questionable but the alternative is the annihilation of Mankind.

>>86817250
>t. hasn't seen the new movie

>>86817319
Yeah I read that the Federation was the one that bombed Buenos Aires because the peace was stagnating the colonies and that'd be difficult in a civilization where people who enlist have the power.

>>86815596

Dude is literally Old/Naked Snake and that girl is fucking Meryl, right down to the hair and black tank top.

>>86817367
My interpretation of it is that the Federation wanted a war for two purposes. The first one was to whip up nationalism and ensure the loyalty of the citizens, and the second one was population control.
The nationalist propaganda aspect is obvious, people hate the bugs, so they love the Federation. The second one explains why they're sending dudes in flak jackets with assault rifles to meet four meter tall unthinking killing machines numbering in the thousands in a pitched battle on the field, instead of bombing them from the air, or space, or even just using terrain and fortifications.

What happens then is that Mankind starts losing the war, and gradually they have to stop throwing lives away in the meat grinder because they kinda need them to hold back the tide of the Arachnids. This explains why Federation military doctrine appears to be changing in Marauder, and then in Traitor of Mars.
In Marauder they use underground bunker with narrow firing slits so they can shoot at the Arachnids without the Arachnids being able to hit back (of course they eventually counter that with grenades, but it's a start).
And then in Traitor of Mars they use the suits and the jump jets to give their troops the ability to outmaneuver the Arachnids, which puts them in a position to actually win fights against them.

>>86814631
is there tits?

>>86817546
>instead of bombing them from the air, or space
I mean the bugs did have those Anti-Air plasma bugs. Well from what I know the powersuits is standard Mobile Infantry gear (in the books at least ). But I do agree with you that the war is a fabrication made by the federation and that they jump started a war with the bugs since most citizens already have a low opinion on them. What I liked about the 3rd movie was the federation hanging the "peace terrorists" and blaming them for that Sky marshals death, just so that the war will continue indefinitely.

>>86817563
No

>>86817683
>I mean the bugs did have those Anti-Air plasma bugs.
The attrition caused by the anti aerospace plasma bugs doesn't prevent the fleet from dropping troops, why would it prevent them from dropping bombs? I'm not even going to go into how in a realistic settings they could place a bomb on a ballistic trajectory that'll impact the planet in a few weeks/months while staying way out of range (or hell, use kinetic impactors) because it's obviously not that kind of movie, but if they can deploy dropships they can deploy bombs.

>Well from what I know the powersuits is standard Mobile Infantry gear (in the books at least )
The book has almost nothing in common with the movie. I love them both (and you should read it if you haven't), but you really can't use one to explain the other.
>What I liked about the 3rd movie was the federation hanging the "peace terrorists" and blaming them for that Sky marshals death, just so that the war will continue indefinitely.
They hang pacifists in the first movie too. And I don't think Carl is waging the war just for fun, I think he's doing it because at this point the Arachnids have been responding the Mankind's aggression with such force that they need to be dealt with otherwise they're actually going to win. But that's just fan speculation I'll give you that.

So hol up
This kino be canon? Like the three live actions?

>>86817841
Yes, they just didn't call it Starship Troopers 4 so they wouldn't discourage people who have only seen the first one from seeing it.

>>86817833
I think in the 3rd movie with the Brain bug having a more prominent role, it was shown that the bugs are actually galvanizing to beat the federation. Also aren't bombs ineffective since the bugs just hide underground, that's why the M.I couldn't nuke them straight up but have to find their caverns and shit. I can't remember if they hanged pacifists in the 1st movie since I haven't watched it in a while, I love the Federation propaganda commercials they do, feels comfy as shit and here's hoping Star ship troopers blow up in popularity soon. Also the scene where Rico salvages powerarmor from dead soldiers was fucking great.

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>>86817965
Is it? Isn't Razbach, Rico's teacher who died?

>>86818030
If your nuke doesn't vaporize the ground deep enough just use a bigger nuke.
Or use orbital strikes tactically to support troops on the ground after they drew out the Arachnids. Combined Arms Warfare is powerful as shit and every modern military uses it, it makes no sense that the Federation wouldn't, unless the purpose of the war is to curb population.

>>86818030
Rasczak isn't in there.

I thought the animation was good except for how they moved their mouths for dialogue. It didn't match up at all. All the women were hot in this.

Okay so what is official list of what is canon and non canon?

We have 3 live action movies, 2 animated one i think and how many books because i never did read them and in what order should i do all this in?

>>86818206
Isn't the name of the Admiral who died from the HALO dive Rasczak? Also I don't think the war is about the population since they have terraforming technology so theoretically they have infinite supplies but more about control of the population since more colonies = more independent thinking.

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>>86814631
Is that Guts?

>>86818222
There's only one book and it's completely different from the movies, it's its own canon.

For the movies watch Starship Troopers, then Starship Troopers 3: Marauder, then Starship Troopers: Traitor of Mars, and that's it.

>>86818269
No I don't think so, I'd have to check, but it would make no sense for it to be him.
And terraforming technology doesn't mean infinite resources, what are you on about? You still need a suitable planet to start the process, and these can't be that common. And when you're done you have a barren desert with breathable air, that's it.

>>86818222
There are three canons
Book canon - standalone
Hollywood live action + 3DCG kinographies
TV 3DCG seriekinographie
There are also videogames and anime and manga and comics

>>86818211
>All the women were hot in this.
yeah, one even had a lipgloss on when going to battle

>>86818368
I mean the more planets you terraform the more resources you'll acquire and since the galaxy is ever expanding you'll have in theory infinite resources? I mean even if 1 out of 20 planets has usable resources you'll still have infinite resources since they have FTL technology.

>>86818368
>>86818403
Thanks.

>>86818479
>the galaxy is expanding
What are you on about lad? The galaxy isn't expanding where would you get this idea.
But still I see your point, but what other explanation could there be for the Federation sending people to their deaths on purpose, besides a ressources shortage?

>>86818974
Isn't the current theory is that the universe/galaxy is ever expanding/ has no end? I think the reason they send people to their death is so more people would enlist.

>>86817307
>>86817319
what reality did we fall into again?

>>86819179
The one where its Berenstain bears and not Berenstein.

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>>86818360
Carl is Griffith and he mind-raped Carmen in front of Johnny

>>86819279
I'm surprised Rico and Carmen never became a thing again but then again Carmen is a fucking bitch.

>>86815525
He doesn't look Filipino; Filipinos are ugly, short, dumb, weak, cowardly shitskins

>>86819024
>universe/galaxy
Those are two very different thing anon. Our galaxy (it's called the milky way) is contained within a galaxy cluster that's called the Local Group. The Local Group is inside the Laniakea Supercluster, which contains about a hundred thousand galaxies, including ours. Superclusters form filaments and sheets and large voids when you look at them collectively, and overall these form the large scale structure of the universe.
The universe is expanding, and this cause the voids to expand and the sheets and filaments to move away from each other, but their components don't really move in relation to each other.
Also you'll notice no matter is being created in all of this, it's just moving apart.

>I think the reason they send people to their death is so more people would enlist.
How is a high mortality rate in the troops an incentive for enlistment? Wouldn't people be more likely to enlist if they thought there was a good chance they'd make it out alive? And even then, the Citizenship is already a pretty big incentive to enlist.

>>86819347
So much projection in this one post.

>>86819350
Think about it, the more people who die the more people would want to enlist for revenge, if you ever played COD MW2 (?) The General guy does some shady shit that kills tons of american lives to ensure there's no shortage of enlistment, also as you said there is a big incentive of enlistment but there is a stagnation if noone dies since why would you enlist if there is assurance you will win the war and not enlisting could still be beneficial, look at Rico's parents who aren't citizens but they're still rich as fuck. Also I normally know what a galaxy is it's just late where I live.

>>86817965
I think you mean starship troopers five bro.

>>86816298
>I also know the book is pretty different from the live action
It's hard to ever emphasize how true this statement is. Verhoven hated the book and aside from the general conceit and a few character names they've not got much in common.
Heinlein is known as one of the grand masters of sci fi for a reason, but unlike some of his contemporaries the "science" in his sci-fi us usually more of the social sciences. While his universe is full of ray guns and rocket ships they're usually more about how civilization adapts socially to the changing universe.
People like to try and put heinlein in a box, but thats wrong. The same guy who wrote about a right wing peoples rebellion on mars is the same guy who wrote about a anarco-socialist revolution on the moon, the fascist/statists wet dream of starship troopers, the religous autocracy of revolt of 2100, the hippy-dippy love fest of stranger in a strange land, and whatever the fuck lazarus long was all about (mostly fucking cute relatives and space-loli clones of himself).
The biggest running theme of his sgories is an exploration of the role of the individual and the state.
I highly recommend anything hes written. Especially his short stories. By his own bootstraps is my favorite time travel story ever. Have spacesuit, will travel has one of the best closing lines in contemporary lit.

>>86819492
As it stands the MI has something like a 80% casualty rate, that's a bit much. And in Modern Warfare 2 General Shepherd doesn't do what he does to get more enlistment, where would you get that idea? He does it to get revenge on the civilians who didn't care about the men he lost in the middle east, he does it to bring war to them and to make them care about what happens to soldiers.

And I don't see why you would think noone would enlist if noone died. Do you get up every morning thinking "wow, I feel like joining the army, but I'm going to wait for someone to blow up in Syria so I can take their place!", that doesn't make any sense.
And yes Rico's parents are rich, but they're not citizens, and citizens don't respect non citizens. It's not about money, they're an interstellar civilization, they can afford to house their people in nice houses, it's about respect in the public sphere.

>>86814631
What happened to Guts? Why did they change the setting? How did Griffith get boobs?

>>86819637
This anon is right listen to him.
Also the physics in his books isn't so bad, especially compared to other authors. In particular The Moon is a Harsh Mistress comes to mind, the orbital mechanics in that book are pretty spot on for instance, which isn't that common in science fiction.

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>>86819693
After Berserk ended Guts had to make due with a bunch of odd jobs piloting mecha

How would SICON/Federation be overpopulated when there's already legislation that requires people to do civil/military service and become a citizen first before getting a reproductive license?

>>86819492
In the book they did everything they could to discourage enlistment in the mobile infantry before Buenos Aires.
Thats why they had a triple amputee vet sitting at the enlistment desk. In the book Rico bumps into him on his way out and is startled to find that he has realistix faux-flesh prostheses and he says its a scare tactic. They also didn't even bother when people went awol or didn't even show up basic training. They had too many people already that took a ton of cash to train up to MI standards.
After the bug attack they have the opposite problem of not having ENOUGH bodies and they started taking everyone, which is why Rico's dad shows up in his unit at the end of the book.

Snake??

>>86819659
Doesn't Shepard say something like "We wont run out of recruits now" or something like that? I haven't played the game in years so I might be wrong.
>And I don't see why you would think noone would enlist if noone died. Do you get up every morning thinking "wow, I feel like joining the army, but I'm going to wait for someone to blow up in Syria so I can take their place!", that doesn't make any sense.
Okay I agree what I said doesn't make sense, if I were to rephrase it I'd say MORE people would enlist if the casualties rose because it brings the fear that the federation MIGHT lose the war also because if someone you personally know die from the war that might be the reason why'd you'd enlist also I got the general feeling that non citizens started to not care about the prejudice of citizens to non citizens since their lives were really comfy, I mean look at the current movie and Mars wanting to secede from the federation. But then that's my interpretation of the thing.

>>86819850
Why else would they send people to a pointless death on purpose? It's the only thing I can think of that can explain the Federation's military doctrine.

>>86819850
>reproductive license
People still had kids without the license but they couldn't claim any kind of benefits from the government. Or you could just buy your way through.

>>86819892
Huh, well I've said that I haven't read the book but it's that different huh? Did the book emphasize the importance of being a citizen too? I should really read it one of these days.

>>86817833
The reason they can't just orbitally bomb or even glass the planet from space is simple, bugs hide underground, where they're safe from the bombs.

In the book mobile infantry are needed specifically to jump jet from entrance hole to entrance hole to deposit nukes in each little hidey hole.

>>86818206
We already see in the first movie M.I. using air support to carpet bomb arachnids after they come out of the ground. Although in that case it was used to clear the way for the mobile infantry, and granted at the beginning of the war, tactics were still developing.

The only forseeable reason I can think of to not use aeronautical bombers are flying bugs and anti-air bug plasma. Mech suits and infantry drops are probably more cost effective than bombers. It's a case of ground reconnaissance and surgical strikes to find and eliminate brain bugs. Arachnids probably multiply like rabbits.


Personally, i'm still waiting on cyborg dogs from the book.

>>86819941
>Did the book emphasize the importance of being a citizen too?
Yes it did.
Verhoven notoriously hated the book and didn't even finish it, so they decided to subvert it as much as possible turning it into a satire/parody.

>>86819892
>which is why Rico's dad shows up in his unit at the end of the book.

If my memory serves correct. Rico's dad shows up as a naval colonel (i'm pretty sure this isn't even a thing), having bought his way into officership like the brits used to do.

>>86819899
I think I see your point now, I don't see it like that but I guess it also makes sense.

>>86819977
Yes the doctrine changes during the course of the movie and that's pretty cool. Still, most of the time in the movies the bugs are not in caves, so the best strategy would be to draw them out of the caves and then kill them on the surface to thin their numbers before killing the brain underground. Surely they can't reproduce faster than the Federation can drop bombs (although they might be able to reproduce faster than the Federation can build bombs...). My point is that there is no way what they're doing in the movie is rationally the best use of their resources.

Also shit I forgot about the robot dogs

>>86819977
>specifically to jump jet from entrance hole to entrance hole to deposit nukes in each little hidey hole.
Half the bug holes were already irradiated. They mention having nerve gas that sinks into the bug hives, but they're doing recon on the bugs so they do it the hard way.

>>86820130
Huh so if citizenship was important in the books how come they're scaring people away from the M.I? I did like the movie though but I've never read the book.

>>86820154
>I think I see your point now, I don't see it like that but I guess it also makes sense.
Everything is open to interpretation, Also I'm thinking that the Federations fear is that there will be a civil war instead of a war on bugs since the colonies are too far apart/ too many.

>>86817319
>In the books Mankind is at war with several alien civilizations, including the Arachnids,
I want to know more.

>>86820420
Then do yourself a favor and read the book.

So is Snapp going to get the rope?

>>86820536
No, she's going to remain Sky Marshall as a puppet for Carl.

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>>86819637
I only read The Moon is A Harsh Mistress and Starship Troopers, but I think you're spot on about Heinlein.

Any other short stories to recommend? What's that book and the martian rebellion?

>>86814631
sounds fun, but I'm weirded out by that gatsu Rico

>>86820420
Read the book.

>>86820154
To be honest, that's probably what they've been doing, establishing outposts like whiskey, and then bombing the bugs outside of it.

I think it's more of a case that the bugs are so numerous that it's simply cheaper for M.I. to hold off bugs, perform reconnaissance and hunt down brain bugs, than to instead transport more bombers, draw out bugs, send bombers down, refuel them, drop bombs, then bring the bombers back up for refuelling and re-arming.

M.I. it makes more sense to focus logistics on M.I. than an air force. It's still ground troops that secure battlezones. Same with modern armies, they've only just now figured out that drones can have guns attached to them, and with western navies focusing more on drone use than other forms of aeronautical power, it won't be too long until some military commander with an I.Q. higher than his shoe size figures out they should be making drone carriers.

Regardless, by traitors of mars, M.I. can outrun arachnids and are equipped with specialist gear to take out different kinds of bugs either way. You win 100% of the battles you don't fight.


Of course this is entirely conjecture and playing devils advocate. Stories have got to be made fun somehow.

>>86820852
>Regardless, by traitors of mars, M.I. can outrun arachnids and are equipped with specialist gear to take out different kinds of bugs either way. You win 100% of the battles you don't fight.
Yeah, that's why my head cannon is that by Traitor of Mars they figured out that whatever political reason they had for sending people to their death pointlessly is overruled by their need to, you know, take this war seriously unless they're going to win it.

>Stories have got to be made fun somehow.
Sure, but nerds have to take stories apart to figure out what doesn't make sense and then come up with convoluted explanations as to why it actually makes sense when you think about it that way.

>>86815005
He's a manlet

>>86821884
yeah, because it ever stopped people from becoming huge stars

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>>86816076

Oh, Im probably thinking of the first CGI Starship Troopers. Theres a scene where a chicks hanging out with some dudes having a casual conversation and shes topless with a towel handing around her neck with her nipples peeking out past the towel every time she moves.

Besides being obvious as fuck jap fanservice, the horrible voiceacting, lip synching, animation, and CGI models just made the whole scene akward and creepy.

>>86820852
>Read the book.

Sorry, but I grew up and don't read books anymore. Go ahead and read your books. I'll go and experience life.

Just how bad is Starship Troopers 3? Considering giving it a go now

>>86822526
Kys

>>86822580
It's actually pretty fun, it's completely over the top and the tone isn't serious at all and super cheesy, give it a go.

>>86822397

Yeah that was 3. Camacho was so fucking annoying in this one, along with all the other Martian's but I figured I would at least get to see her naked, nope.

>>86822580

Watch it. Its so bad its good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3sU8NPCYmc

>>86823039

Excuse me, that was 4/Invasion

>>86822580
Starship Troopers 3 is actually fine. It settles back nicely into that campy exaggerated style of Starship Troopers 1, to the point where there are public hanging of suspected terrorist pacifists.

>>86822526
>I'll go and experience life.
He posted on 4chan's television and film board and hit send with a smug smile, without the meagerest hint of irony or self awareness.

THERE IS AN ANIMATED STARSHIP TROOPERS?!

>>86823503
This is actually the 4th one if you count roughnecks and the 80s OVA

>>86820286
>Huh so if citizenship was important in the books how come they're scaring people away from the M.I?

They don't scare people from the MI. But it's meant to discourage the weak hearted and those that are only in it for citizenship and not to serve their fellow man. There's even a line in the book where it's basically "Even if you're too dumb or crippled to do anything, the service will find something for you to do for your term, whether it's being a human guinea pig, testing extreme weather survival equipment or just banging rocks together.' All because they can't turn away anyone that is fully cognizant of what they're signing up for.

In the book, Rico manages to fail out of everything that he wants to do, and is finally asked whether he wants to join the K-9 corps (where a person is psychically bonded to a genetically modified dog that has the IQ of an 8 year old and can sorta talk) or the Mobile Infantry, and because he says he never really bonded with his dogs as a kid he was disqualified on the spot for K-9 Corps (RIP all those poor Calebs who first landed on Klendathu and committed suicide when they saw the bugs).

>>86823056
Ok, this is hilarious. Definitely watching.

>>86820660
>What's that book and the martian rebellion?
Red planet which introduces the martians that raised Michael Valentine-Smith. Most of heinlein's stories all exist in one continuity he called Future-History.
He has a ton of short stories. I'd reccomend finding the collection "Menace from Earth" (which has "by his own bootstraps") or "Green Hills of earth" is pretty good too, you get to meet the blind piano player at a cat house Lazarus mentions in Time Enough For Love.
He got his start writing for pulp magazines and serials so he has a lot of short story collections. "All you zombies..." is what the movie Predestination was based on, if you've seen it.
Orphans of the sky is a fun little story too, while a bit campier than most I like the concept (a generation colony ship sent out to the stars, but somewhere along the way society collapsed and entire generations forgot they were on a ship)
I don't think I've read anything from him that I didn't like though, so it's hard to not just dump everything I've read.

Carmen fly's so good

>>86820286
>if citizenship was important in the books how come they're scaring people away from the M.I?
There are other ways to become a citizen that contributed more and cost less. In the books having any civil-service job would make you eligible for citizenship. So cops, the surly black lady at the DMV, or just a government clerk were all fine options.
And they wouldn't turn anyone away from the MI, they just made it really easy to fuck off or wash out with little to no consequences. Once you were in though, you were in. The idea is that you filter out all the people there for the "wrong" reasons.
Heinlein came from a naval family, but was discharged for medical issues and he had a chip on his shoulder about not being able to serve ever since.

>>86816175
Heinlein had a lot of diversity in his books, but it's never in your face or obnoxious. Most people never realize Jubal Harshaw and Miriam from stranger in a strange land are black.
Even some of his characters that "pass as white" are noted to be racial mutts.
Its sort of like Trek in the sense that humanity, for the most part, has put that kind of thing behind them. People still had problems but with a little bit of brains and determination to succeed can not only survive but flourish.