The great debate

>>86766027
Jaime beat Rand Althor, Aragorn is a cakewalk

>>86766027
Aragorn is super human, not a fair fight

I've seen Aragorn stand his ground in battle. I've only heard about what a legendary fighter Jamie is supposed to be

>>86766054
this

GRRM said that Jaime could do it but that's total bullshit let's be real here. It's like coming up with your own OC doughnut steel character and saying he's OP as fuck and beat goku

>>86766027
Do people really still give a shit about LOTR? I could never watch those movies again.

>>86766080
don't ever post again even your bait is offensive

>>86766073
>GRRM said that Jaime could do it but that's total bullshit let's be real here. It's like coming up with your own OC doughnut steel character and saying he's OP as fuck and beat goku
Was he answering a question somebody asked? It's an autistic thing to ask "WHO WOULD WIN XD"

>>86766080
:|

>>86766027
Conor Mcgregor

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agghhhhh....

>>86766027
Did Aragorn ever fight a god tier swordsman?

>>86766119
yeah

>>86766154
No but hes Mary Sue protected by plot armor.

>>86766027
one of those two has literally about 50 years more fighting experience than the other

>>86766154
He fought an orc chief I think, he was pretty good

>>86766237
an UrukHai you mean

>>86766154

Did Jaime?

>>86766027
Aragorn is a Numenorean, pay attention to how he managed to contest a big fucking troll at the end of ROTK. Also fighting off the Ringwraiths. Aragorn would fuck Jaime up.

the witch king of angmar vs the night king?
Gandalf vs the three eyed raven?
LotR troll vs GoT giant?
Warg vs direwolf?
Sauron vs R'hllor/the great other?
the ring wraiths on their felllbeasts vs Dany on her dragons?

>>86766268
I can't remember orc runes

aragorn makes jaime bend the knee through sheer power of will

there is no fight

>>86766431
LotR wins them all except wargs and dragons

>>86766027
Bingo>Aragorn>Jaime

>>86766431
smaug vs drogon

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Aragorn. You can't even compare him, he doesn't even blink when he strides out to start fighting these motherfuckers

>>86766431

>Gandalf vs the three eyed raven
>Sauron vs R'hllor/the great other

How can you even compare them?

>the ring wraiths on their felllbeasts vs Dany on her dragons?

Danny would easily fuck them up, fellbeasts are shit.

>>86766431
Night king
Gandalf
Close one, but I think GoT giant win
Warg
Sauron with ring>r'hllor>sauron without ring
Dany

>>86766431
the witch king of angmar>the night king
(if it's a battle with their armies the night king might win, depending on wheter he can revive/entrall orcs/trolls)
Gandalf > the three eyed raven
LotR troll = GoT giant
Warg = direwolf
Sauron > R'hllor/the great other
the ring wraiths on their felllbeasts < Dany on her dragons (if she doesn't turn away in fear)

>>86766431
frodo vs jon snow at least would be on the same weight class

>>86766495
absolutely no contest. Did you see how fucking big smaug was?
Also one is intelligent and the other a smarter than average animal

>>86766581
nice meme

>>86766530
>Sauron with ring>r'hllor>sauron without ring

that's a good answer

>>86766431
Witch King > Night King
Gandalf > 3 eyed Raven
Troll > giant
Rhollor/other >>>>>>>>> sauron are you retarded
dany > wraiths
arthur dayne > aragorn > jaime

>>86766515
>>Gandalf vs the three eyed raven
>>Sauron vs R'hllor/the great other
>How can you even compare them?

>magic wizard who is greater than he shows vs magic wizard who is greater than he shows
>evil god who controlls people like chess pieces vs evil god who controlls people like chess pieces

Legolas is by far the strongest fighter anyway

>>86766154
Several nazguls at once.

Lurtz (the Uruk Hai chief) was also pretty fucking badass.

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>>86766689

>magic wizard who is greater than he shows vs magic wizard who is greater than he shows

The "magic wizard who is greater than he shows" is the cover that Gandalf uses. His final reveal is that he's an angel from heaven itself to guide men, not turning wizard mode on.

>evil god who controlls people like chess pieces vs evil god who controlls people like chess pieces

Do Gods even manifest themselves in GoT?

>>86766706

>a mere wood elf

There was a far stronger dude in Rivendell when they were passing through.

>>86766027

Book Aragorn would flatten book Jaimie without even raising a sweat. He's a Numenorean ranger with almost a hundred years of experience.

Show Jaimie jobs to fucking everyone and movie Aragorn while not shown to be super proficient from a technical standpoint has still fought more and better.

>>86766292

>muh brienne reeeeee

He is supposed to be really badass but we never actually see it, in the books because he is on an actual character arc where he is turning into a decent man and good leader while in the show D&D just keep him around to say nice things to Cersei.

LOTR fags are so fucking cringey

>>86766431
Night King. He's not a man anymore so...

Gandalf

Depends on the battlefield and the kind of troll I guess

Sauron being a necromancer, it's rather hard to tell. I'd say R'hllor since there is no known way to defeat him.

The dragons.

>>86766495

>Massive dragon with human intelligence Vs big Wyvern with dog intelligence

>>86766771
R'hllor revives people using a drunken priest as a medium

>>86766804
It's called autism, faggot

>>86766027
one punch man would beat them both

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>>86766431
who'd win?

>>86766268
Uruk Hai means "orc folk"
Uruks, orcs and goblins are all used interchangably in the series.

>>86766903
is this an edit? that hammer looks straight out of Dark Souls.

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>>86766903
>that hammer
This is the most retarded thing I've seen in ages

>>86766929

Definitely a shop. The one in the show was only slightly implausible as far as media depictions of weapons go but that shit is straight out of a computer game.

Jamie wins 8/10 times

Aragon wins 10/10 if he gas tge one ring

>>86766981
>slightly implausible
ahahahahahahahaha

>>86766066
h-he almost beat brianne! But they were interrupted..

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4 great eagles led by Gwahir vs Drogon

Tom Bomb vs Rhollor

Treebeard vs Wun Wun

The Mystery Knight vs Durins Bane

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>>86766950

Shopped image is shopped. The real one is a bit derp but nowhere near so stupid.

>>86766903

Gendry would get the advantage but then "WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH BALROGS SAVE ME" and Melkors balrogs gimp him

>>86766495
Smaug is about 50 times Drogon's size

>>86767052
>4 great eagles led by Gwahir vs Drogon
eagles
>Tom Bomb vs Rhollor
Rhollor (i hate Tom and he's a fucking meme)
>Treebeard vs Wun Wun
Treebeard
>The Mystery Knight vs Durins Bane
durins bane no question

>>86767009

You left off the "as far as media depictions of weapons go," anon.

Most of the time the weapons they use in movies or tv shows are made to look the way audiences expect them to look rather than how they really did and used in ways that show off slow choreo so that the action is easy to follow rather than with realistic techniques.

It used to really activate my almonds but now I'm happy with small victories, like hammers that don't have a head the size of a small continent. By those metrics, Gendry's hammer is positively petite.

>>86767035
he also almost beat Boromir! But they were interrupted when Boromir took a spear to the knee

>>86767058
That hammerhead would probably weigh 15kg at least.. jesus

>>86767058
By the current state of GoT everything is plausible, nevertheless, the shopping is excellent

>>86767289
It's not so much, imagine the mountain swinging this it's be like a feather in his hands
Obviously it isn't since it's Gendry's hammer but still, for a big guy 15 kg aren't that much

>>86766053
This will never not be bullshit.

>>86767289

>that
>15kgs

Nah mang. Everyone thinks medieval weapons weighed a fucking ton because of how retards in the media swing them around. Even big two-handed swords were a bit over two kgs.

I mean, the head is oversized that's what she said but unless it is mostly lead with a steel overlay I doubt it would weigh that much. And a real one would be lighter still.

>>86767408
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iznCWqCC8RQ

>>86766431
Witch King since the night king can be killed
Three eyed Raven since gandalf is basically a lesser angel whereas the Raven is closer to being deity himself
Got Giants are way bigger than lotr trolls
Sauron is a fucking pussy. The real question would be morgoth or the valar vs r'hollor
Danys dragons kick way more ass than the fell beasts in both size and fire breathing ability. Note that nazgul are weak to fire

>>86767408
Kys

>>86766027
Jaime is efay af

>>86767380
lifting 15 kg isn't much, but swinging it continually is fucking heavy and makes it unwieldy

>>86767408
i know that original medieval weapons didn't weigh very much, otherwise they'd be useless.
But as long as that hammer of his isn't completely hollow, there's no way that thing weighs less than 10-15 kg

>>86767052

Durins Bane would win v anything in GoT

ungoliant bootyblasts anything in GoT

>>86766080
kys

>>86767553

Well she bootyblasted literal Satan in LoTR so yeah

>>86767380
The only way to use something like that would be by spinning continually, you can't be fast with something like that, miss one hit and you are dead, 15kg isn't that much to carry, but it is for a swing

>>86766495
Smaug is an actual dragon so there's not much contest and he's also super rich

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>>86767607

Everything LOTR wins in the end because it's simply on another scale of fantasy. Especially Jaime vs Aragorn, Aragorn is a superhuman. A fight against Arthur Dayne or Barristan MIGHT last for a few minutes before Aragorn simply overpowers them, but still, LOTR is actual high fantasy when ASOIAF is based in realism. It's hard to compare.

I haven't read them but maybe if you compare LOTR with Wheel of Time or Stormlight Archives?

>>86767380
t. never used a 7lbs sledgehammer

you could be the mountain and a 15kg hammerhead is still ridiculous

>>86767455
Spotted the faggot

>>86767610
>destroys satan
>gets fucked up by a couple of balrogs

>>86767651
>couple of balrogs
it was a whole fucking army

>>86767612
To be fair, the historical way they used big swords like zweihanders required them to constantly keep swinging them in a sideways 8 shape while advancing.

Maybe something similar could work for an oversized hammer?

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>>86767650
This isn't the schoolyard you dumbass, you don't get to make fun of me for being a nerd. You're trying to brag about being a dumbass in a nerd thread on a weirdo website. Kill yourself

>>86766903
ah that reminds me
fingolfin vs azor ahai?

>>86767698
>historical way they used big swords like zweihanders required them to constantly keep swinging them in a sideways 8 shape while advancing.

kek

>>86767728
>you don't get to make fun of me for being a nerd

he makes fun of you for having stupid opinions

>>86767698
A zwei weight 2kg, and is balanced, a hammer isn't balanced, a horizontal swing is way harder to control, in a real, effective warhammer, if you do that swing with something so heavy you won't be able to lift the weight anymore, not before you die anyway

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Ancalagon the Great vs. everyone in Westeros and Essos?

>>86767827
Everything I said is undeniably true

>>86766495
ancalagon the black vs all of the GoT dragons who have ever existed (i have no idea how much there were)?

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>>86767651

>Couple of Balrogs

Lol

>>86767728
This reply only makes you a bigger faggot

>>86767909
Ancalagon is fan fictiontier though

>>86767880
*gets hit by ice lance

>>86767958
the silmarillion is fanfiction?

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>>86767698
>Historically accurate

>>86767880
Would it even fit in the game of thrones map?

>>86767880
>>86767958
>>86767983
>>86768005
His size is complete fanfiction

>>86767983
The dragon is fanfiction tier, something of that size just can't be killed, it doesn't even said how they killed it

How strong are the balrogs anyway?

>>86768081
>>86768074
>size is fanfiction
when he fell from the sky his body shattered a mountain range

>can't be killed
he got defeated by a magical elf on his magical spaceship full with other magical elfs while wearing a star and shooting lasers

>>86767989
lmao

>>86766027
Aragon is superhuman his power increases with his boldness. The bolder he appears to be, the stronger he is.

the dothraki horde vs the haradrim or the eorlingas respectively?
the orc army of mordor vs the night kings army of the dead?

>>86768172
And that is supposed to prove me wrong? Literally fanfiction tier

>>86768249
Do you know what a mountain range is, or do you enjoy shit eating.

>>86766027
Spartacus >>>>....>>>>> Both of them

>>86768115
they can't be hurt by anything that isn't high tier magical, like gandalf or very old/powerful elfs
they are basically demons of fire and shadow

>>86766080
>>86766112
>>86766123
>>86767607
To be fair, Return was mostly hogswallop. Total letdown
>hurr guys just hold em off until i download my ghost army hacks!

>woops, looks like faramir died heroically in futility. how tragic.
>wait, looks like he had a get-out-of-death-free card (fuck all those other guys though), thus destroying all emotional impact of the earlier scene
etc.

>>86768249
so "fanfiction tier" is just your way of saying "it may be written that way in the book, but it's a little bit too much for my taste"

>>86768309
i was dissappointed by the ghost army bit too. That was just stupid and unnecessary

Isn't Aragorn literally of a superior race to ordinary humans?

Who would win between Tom Bombadil and Arya?

>>86768309
And what the fuck was Aragon's tax policy?

>>86766080
nice bait friend

>>86766080
Mad stupid

>>86767214
Stop being butthurt your books are shut grrm

>>86768408
Yes. Because humans need a super special Mary Sue snowflake to rule over them. Fuck you Tolkien.

>>86768283
Yes anon I quite literally live in one of them, you'd understand why something like that is unkillable if you saw how big it is
>>86768333
I believe so, just look at the second biggest dragon in lotr, and you will get how out of place it is

>>86766799
Goddamn Glorfindel was such a fucking badass. You just know he was glad he didn't join the company cause he didn't want to hang out with people that are so beneath him.
He would have solo'd that balrog without breaking a fucking sweat.

>>86767989
i want this in the last jedi

>>86768243
>the dothraki horde vs the haradrim or the eorlingas respectively?
they'd probably beat the eorlingas with sheer numbers (altough the'd get fucked hard), but the'd have no chance against the haradrims mumakil. Their gay sicle swords would do little to no harm against those things.

>the orc army of mordor vs the night kings army of the dead?
no idea. No idea how big both armies are, but orcs and zombies would be pretty comparable i think. But with their new icedragon, the orc army might get defeated easily

>>86768303
How were they beaten?

>>86768309
They btfo Saurons vanguard, if the ring wasn't destroyed his actual army coming out of the black gate would have overran Gondor and all of Middle-Earth. Pay attention next time.

>>86768525
by high tier magical beings like gandalf or very old/powerful elfs (and some gods and lesser gandalf-like angelic beings)

>>86768570
After reading this thread, what do humans even do in this, Are humans worthless in lotr?

>>86766112
How is it bait? Why would you care about Lord of the Rings in 2017 well over a decade after the trilogy ended? These aren't deep movies. There's nothing to discuss or speculate. I hope you kill yourselves so I don't have to see you pretend to care about GoT a decade after it ends.

>>86768629
They breed with elves to create a superior man and lineage like Aragorn who was like 1/8 elf and still was fucking amazing.

>>86768629
>Are humans worthless in lotr?
Yes and no. In laymans terms, they're the next generation.
At one point they were special, but they became corrupt and fell (think of Atlantis) and what's left is nothing above the ordinary except for a special few (eg Aragorn), but the fourth age and beyond is theirs so it's implied they become special again, maybe.

>>86766027
Sister fucking beats Elf pining. Game, set, match: Lefty Lannister.

>>86768629
>Are humans worthless in lotr?

well a major part of the discussion in this thread isn't actually about what happened in LotR, but about things that happened in different ages, described in the silmarilion.
First only gods mattered, then only elfs mattered, then only powerful humans mattered and then we finally reached the age in which LotR takes place, with mostly normal humans

>>86766080
this. it's the same garbage as star wars. numale cocksuckers love that shit.

>>86768639
the trilogy ended 62 years ago you stupid faggot and people still talk about it. Want to know why? Because it was a fantastic bit of popular literature. It's deeper than you can probably fathom, not especially because of its actual depth but because you are frankly retarded, and the movies are genuinely some of the greatest that have ever been made. Their themes are worth discussing as well, provided you can understand something as basic as the themes in lotr fucking lmao.

GoT will be remembered as a pop culture phenomenon for decades btw, you delusional faggot.

>>86768309
I've never heard anybody complain about faramir before. Him surviving doesn't ruin the scene at all; facing death and charging into it doesn't lose meaning if you survive. Not to mention him connecting with Eoewyn is very important closure for the both of them

>>86768756
Aragorn basically fucked his cousin since he was a small boy and she was already thousand years old.
incestuous extreme shotacon>boring normal incest

>>86768758
I mean, how can you compare a human with an immortal elf with a magical spaceship capable to kill something like>>86767880 , I don't know how to put it in English, but what is the "bad thing" of being an elf?

>>86768485

Buttmad beta male detected

>>86768873
>but what is the "bad thing" of being an elf?
They don't get to die.
When an Elf "dies" they simply go join the Angels in heaven, or choose to go their willingly. Either way they're stuck their until end of days

When dwarves die they go to their version of Valhalla and wait until the end of days.

When humans die they immediately go to God and don't have to wait until eternity ends.

Elves are like catholics being left in limbo. It's pretty devastating to them

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>>86768491
>Glorfindel would have solo'd that balrog without breaking a fucking sweat

Well he has the experience

>>86768937
But wanting to be ruled over is a beta male thing to do. Quite literally.

>>86768870
God, Aragorn just BTFO of everything in GoT

>>86768873
>what is the "bad thing" of being an elf?

Elfs are fucking cunts man. Everything bad that ever happened in middle earth was on equals part morgoths (tolkiens satan) and the elfs fault. They're arrogant, kinslaying, greedy, treacherous (to any LotR fucks reading this: NO, not only the noldor! all of them!) and they then have the audacity to blame the humans for their "weakness and affinity for evil"
Fuck those fucking fucks!

Also they can't die (which is actually the humans gift from god). when they die they go into some weird underworld, while the humans fate isn't known.

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>>86766080
>Good evening little shitposter! What can I do for you? If you're looking for guaranteed replies, we've got some nice cozy faggot-sized threads available, always proud to cater to autistic folk Mr....

>Hothead. My name's Hothead.

>>86768984
that's a different glorfindel. He was great

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>>86768992
>yfw Aragorn's descendant is Elrond's brother

>>86768963
also the longer they live the more the weight of the ages crushes them on the inside
It's not so bad in valinor apparently but they couldn't stand middle earth any longer

>>86769035
Nah it's the same one. The guy that rules the other angels while Gods away revived him and sent him back to watch and protect like Gandalf and the other 4.

>>86769035
>The use of Glorfindel in The Lord of the Rings is one of the cases of the somewhat random use of the names found in the older legends, now referred to as the The Silmarillion, which escaped reconsideration in the final published form of The Lord of the Rings." Tolkien came to the conclusion that Glorfindel of Gondolin, who fell to his death in combat with a Balrog after the sack of the city, and Glorfindel of Rivendell were one and the same: he was released from Mandos and returned to Middle-earth in the Second Age.
>The Return of the Shadow, 214-215

>>86769112
>>86769133

what, really?!
holy shit, i didn't know that. That makes everything he did 10 times cooler. thanks guys!

>>86769156
Welcome anon. Personally always hated the fact they replaced Glorfindel with Arwen but what ca ya do

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>>86769028

>>86768486
>you'd understand why something like that is unkillable
he was killed by a flying boat with magical stones on them

come on man

>>86769102
Moviefag here, at the end of the trilogy they take a ship to their heaven, how does that work

Why couldn't Gandalf easily beat a balrog? Am I underestimating balrogs or overestimating Gandalf?

>>86766080
Agreed. LOTR is a great way to separate the wheat from the chaff.

>>86769280
They're the same beings. One is just a fallen version of the other, so they're on par power wise, but Gandalf was ordered to keep his power hidden. When he died and was brought back, he was allowed to use more of his power.

>>86769242
Think of a circle, then a straight line extending on from it, like the number 6. The circle is earth, and the line is the path to heaven. Only Elves and those chosen (like Bilbo, Frodo and Tuor) can access the line. Everyone else just circumnavigates around the world.

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>>86769242
it's....weird
you see "heaven" was a normal continent full with gods and ancient elfs but after a lot of bad things caused by disobedient elfs, satan and "atlantiants" god removed the continent by curving the earth under it. Basically think of a map becoming a globe while one continent stayed a map.
Normal ships would now just go round the globe while elven ships could navigate "secret paths" on the water and finally basically lift off and reach the continent

>>86769385
Does "Gandalf" as such even understand what he is?

>>86769427
THAT MAP ISN'T ACCURATE
STOP POSTING IT
STOP POSTING IT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>86769385
>>86769427
Damn elves

>>86769476
we don't have any better maps

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>>86769242
You can travel in time with elf-magic.
West = Past.
East = Future.

It's why everything is getting worse, eternally. Blood thinning, magic fading, Elves engaging in white flight. This is literally European Mythology 101. Greeks even had a Golden Age, Silver Age and Iron Age. The Iron Age was the "current timeline" and would be technologically advancing, but life would become more tasteless and mundane and the world would choke.

You sail West to reach the old perfect world frozen in time.

I know this probably sounds 'le alt-right xD' or whatever but Tolkien was a massive autist for Euro Myth and he got it down exactly right for his own universe.

>>86769465
Yeah. He was the only angel of the 5 sent that stayed true to their mission, which is why he was allowed back into "heaven"

>>86766080
that's an excellent news
no remake if disgsting and stupid plebs like you dont care anymore about lotr

>>86769465
that's a good question. I don't think gandalf the grey does, since he displayed several cases of "dementia"
gandalf the white certainly does

>>86767688
and wasn't gothmog leading that army? that fucker killed 2 high kings of noldor

>>86766027

jaime can eaily kill other people

aragorn 1v1'd a fucking troll, which is the GOT equivelant of 1v1ing a giant, something simply nobody could do.

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>>86768870
>basically isn't literally
>waiting on that Aragorn footage

>>86769580
He was old, even before being stuck in human form. Maybe the ages wore him down

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>>86766581
>sam is taller than manletsnow

that's embarassing

>>86766027
What about Eärendil vs. the Night King?

>>86769639
>Elrond and his brother were half human
>When this happens, the children get to choose which line they follow, human or elven
>Elrond chose elven, his bro, human
>Elronds line remained elven
>His brothers became human, albeit long lived versions
>His brother went on to found a dynasty, of which Aragorn is the last remaining heir

>>86766495

smaug is huge compared to drogon

smaug has intelligence comparable to the smartest humans, whereas drogon is like a dog in intellect

smaug can outsmart and outclass drogon

Was Tom Bombadil a mistake?

>>86768568
>any of this having anything to do with the post you responded to

>>86768822
>Him surviving doesn't ruin the scene at all; facing death and charging into it doesn't lose meaning if you survive
But fuck all those other knights, though right? I mean they were just as honorable and brave as he was, but they don't have a name in the credits so who gives a fuck, right? It's absolute shit writing. It DOES ruin the sadness of the previous scene, and a far better ending would have been for him and his whole house (dad, boromir) to die for basically no reason. Would be nice to feel like the good guy team actually lost something.

Oh, and the Witch King's death was horrible cringy dogshit, but I figured that went without saying.

>>86769758
No. A properly used narrative tool that served it's purpose.

>>86769785
>Oh, and the Witch King's death was horrible cringy dogshit
Which part?

>>86769706
just standing before the silmaril would probably just melt the night king

without the silmaril i'd still bet on Eärendil

>>86769706
Night king kills anything that flies with his ice tomahawk, so earendil>night king>earendil with magic boat

>>86767912
i would love this picture if malkors right hand would have been on fire and dropping blood. comon , its the little details that matter

>>86766581
Savage

>>86766080
Oh boy

>>86769758
No. Retarded redditors who started memeing him were a mistake.

>>86769940
What is meme and what is fact?

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>>86769728
>pics or it didn't happen

20 good men vs the armies of mordor?
a fookin' legend vs the balrog?
the half man vs Gimli?
Arya vs Saruman?

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>>86770074
>Arya vs Saruman?
>not Arya vs Gollum

>>86770106
fuck, you're right!

>>86766027
>Numenorean vs Ordinary Human

Come one.

>>86768485
Someone has never read Greek Mythology.

>>86766548
But the nights king isn't a man, wouldn't that make him eligible to btfo the witch king?

>>86770360
If he has a weapon that can kill a whight, then yes.
Being male or female has nothing to do with it.

Aragorn's tax policy vs. Dany's tax policy

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>>86769523
Yes we do.

>>86767688
It was only like 7 of them

>>86770454
Aragorn was a classical liberal! calle

>>86770360
Night King has shown no real skills at combat. All the Walkers so far seem shit at fighting since they rely on shattering metal and fighting unskilled Wildlings.

Witch King has a magic sword, is magic and was a king and thus trained in real fighting and has fought real combat for years.

>>86770454
can someone please spoonfeed me what this means? i've seen it a lot. is it just a joke about over-detailing a movie?

>>86770507
In an interview with some mag, GRRM said some shit about Tolkien's works and how they're unrealistic because they lack realistic elements and he used as an example, what Aragorns tax policy was

>>86770404
>>86770360
GoT characters who could defeat the witch king:
>all the female characters
>all the animals/dragons
>all the unsullied
>varys
>theon
>Tyrion could beat him half to death

>>86770502
NK was previously a lord commander

and he literally just shot a dragon out of the sky

wat mate?

>>86770454
Dany is a literal fascist.

>>86770596
Yes and no. If they have a weapon (like Pippins blade) that was specifically enchanted to break the curse/bonds that hold the wraith in this world, then they could use it on him and either kill him outright or slay him with another weapon afterwards. Either way he can't resurrect anymore and thus defeated.

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>>86770557
geez, that's kinda autistic
thanks

>>86766080
and yet they will still be remembered when the last person to know you has died.

>>86770670
It's usually the most autistic things that become memes

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>>86766027
This nigga kills you, your gay guard, your dwarf, your dragon and fucks your mama

>>86770706
He's still not Tuor tier
>get the girl
>get the kingdom
>get to live forever and bang elf bitches until kingdom come

>>86766919
uruk hai are saruman's creation. they're not the same thing as regular orcs. in the books they're suspected by treebeard to have either been bred from orcs and humans or be corrupted humans. not the same thing as true orcs, because orcs were made by morgoth, are smaller, weaker, and can't stand the sun,

>>86770706
>This nigga kills you, your gay guard, your dwarf, your dragon and fucks your mama

>he then realizes that you were actually his best friend, your gay guard was his long lost brother, your dwarf was his pet dog and your mama was his sister.
>he then goes crazy again, goes to the next town with a fake name and does the same shit

>>86770763
Uruk is black speech for Orc. So as anon said, it is interchangeable, but it's also confusing as fuck at times

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>>86770706
>That ending

>>86766073
Moon Boy could beat Goku

>>86770759
>killed/ cucked elfags for fun
>killed meanest largest mofo dragon to date
>banged sister
>an hero

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>>86770596
>Tyrion could beat him half to death

>>86766492
>>86766515
>>86766530
>>86766653
>>86766811
>>86767455
this guy had it right >>86766548
the nazguls are conduits of pure hopelessness and fear. dany would fuck off in a second

>>86770763
How was Saruman able to make something better than what a literal (demi?)god could make?

>>86770872
hit me like a sack of bricks

>>86770920
Sure he's 4chan incarnate, but Tuor was the underdog all the way and a total bro and superior to the elves. He cucked them harder than anyone and they still sucked his dick afterwards with a smile

>>86770950
He was more creative, Morgoth was more chaotic.

>>86770860
uruk hai are not the same thing as orcs though. do you really not understand that just because the name "uruk hai" means orc folk in black speech, does not mean that what the characters in the series refer to as uruk hai are the same thing as the orcs around since melkor created them? it's not confusing, you're just being contrarian and wrong

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>>86770983
>Tuor was the underdog
>literally gets legendary lvl90 equipment and a guide from the admin on lvl 1

>>86771085
chukled

>>86771041
No I do understand and wasn't trying to say you were wrong. Just interjecting and stating Uruk is interchangeable with Orcs, but I should've stated that you were still right, it doesn't make them Uruk-hai and it's not used to describe them

>>86770950
saruman is the LOTR equivalent of an angel of morgoth is a pantheistic god (lower case 'g'), and he originally followed the god of craftsmanship before he fell. he studied morgoth's craft for many years, so i don't see what's so hard to believe about him creating something qualitatively better in some ways than morgoth did. also morgoth didn't really 'create' orcs, he just corrupted what he saw Eru already making

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>>86771085
>can't root for the hero 'cos it's cliched
You're no fun

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>>86766027
>a high noble with great sword skills and a fair bit of war xp VS a fucking magic ranger of an ubbernoble heritage who trenches through the harshest wilds and fights ghosts and monsters for breakfast
Yeah. Easy choice here.

>>86766204
It's more than 50, aragorn is only a year younger than bilbo

>>86771114
Arent Uruk-hais an interbred species of orcs and elves? or do i remember it wrong?

Aragorn is unbeatable by anyone 1v1

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>>86767052
>The Mystery Knight vs Durins Bane
you mean the faggot prince who only won jousts because he cheated vs a balrog that gandalf had to fight for weeks/days straight?
wow i don't know.

real question:
>euron with valyrian steel armor VS aragorn with narsil

>>86771253
who's the chaotic good guy?
eärendil? Elendil?

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>>86771403
Ar Pharazon, at least before he lost it completely and get Numenor sunk

>>86771303
basically man-orcs

regular orcs are all bo-legged 4ft genetic abomination rejects

sometimes uruks even get away with spying in human societys as some of them just look like very ugly men

>>86771437
i was thinking about Ar Pharazon, but i would have never put him anywhere in the "good" category

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>>86768873
Because elves are fucking faggots

Wish Tolkien wrote less about the literal gayest race and more about the others

>>86768963
Why do humans get to go straight to god

>>86769184
It's part of the reason why I love the books. You have this ultra badass that only plays a bit part in the narrative. That's as anti-hollywood in style as you can get.

>>86770557
wait is that really where the tax policy meme originated from or is this a masterfully crafted meme itself

>>86770620
>NK was previously a lord commander
no, not on the show (thanks D&D)

throwing magical ice spears doesn't count as combat skills

>>86768873
>an immortal elf with a magical spaceship
>Earendil
>elf

Back to family tree studying lad

>>86771632
because they are his favourite children

the valar (gods) were just there to create and protect the home the elves and humans lived in
the elves were the first children who thaught the humans many things and prepared them for their own fate, after which they could then fuck off into their own heaven
the dwarfs were little accidents

we the chosen people, man!!

>>86771738
at that point he was one

>>86771670
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K3H-FjEhkw

>>86768873
Elfs are sedentary fags that contemplate everything for centuries and do nothing

Even back in Second Age, the entire world moved because some MAN would come along, say "aint got no time for this bullshit, I have like 30 years left to live" and proceed to stir massive trouble and kick major ass going down on a blaze of glory while singing "I want it all and I want it now"

>>86771738

You obviously don't understand how Elves work in Tolkien. I'll give you a clue: A "half-Elf" is only such until he matures, then he chooses to be fully human or fully Elven.

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Jaime is a better character. Prove me wrong.

>>86771931
Earendil WANTED to be a human though
He just realised he had to become an elf so he could do what the bunch of useless elfags wouldnt and save the world

>>86771951
from a human standpoint: yes
from an archetypal/mythological standpoint: no

that's kinda the point of both the characters as well as the respective books

>5th or 6th Age
>Russians excavate a massive tunnel complex in the Arctic Ocean.
>some ANCIENT EVILS AWAKEN

>>86771248
Aragorn was 10 during book hobbit, adult aragorn is older

>>86771886
This is why Human Wizards are batshit insane in fantasy settings. They only have like 50 years to learn the secrets of magic while their faggot Elven counterparts get to sit on their asses for centuries.

>>86772011
>5th or 6th Age
>group of international oceanologists find extremely bright glowing jewel at the bottom of the mariana trench
>suddenly elfs attack from the sky, bumbling shit about some oath

Who is the LOTR equivalent to Darkstar?

>>86770872
>>86770957
I haven't read Children of Hurin since it came out, but I indeed remember that the ending fucked me up.
Is it something I want to re-read as a 24 years old adult?

>>86771851
I liked it better when I thought your post was a surprise meme

>>86772168
who?

>>86772220
yes
it's a shakespearanesque classic
you can read it at any age

>>86772235
the edgy faggot in the 4th book that carves up Myrcella's face

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>>86766080
OUT
OUT
IM DONE WITH YOU
ILL HAVE YOUR HEAD ON A SPIKE

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>>86772235

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>>86772163
>be me
>born under the Two Trees
>my hair capture their light inside them, be beautiful af
>this edgy elf-prince falls for them, wants one of my hair
>tell him to fuck off because I am an edgy teen myself
>he is a great craftsman though so he captures the light of the Trees himself on some crystals to fap to
>whatever
>he gets increasingly paranoid over someone stealing them
>eventually this evil god shows up and kills his father, fucks up the trees and steals the gems
>massive shitstorm
>fast forward 8000 years
>2 civil wars, 3 genocides, millions dead, two continents obliterated, a dozen civilizations and races lost later, all this bullshit seems about to come to an end
>the gems are destroyed and the last Maiar follower of this asshole is about to get his shit rekt
>see we got his ring of power and we are going to destroy him forever
>this random dwarf shows up and likes my hair too
>he asks for a hair of my head
>dwarves are good craftsmen right?
>oh hell no, we are not doing this again
>give him a hair and two more for backup

>>86772359
Some anon told me that a lock of galadriel's hair could have revived the Two Trees just as well as the sylmarils. Now,he was obviously a Feanor fag but do you think it would have worked? I don't but it did make me think,unironically.

>>86772342
>>86772273
i don't think there is an equivalent in LOTR. Maybe one of the cunt elfs.
Maybe Eöl. He was also an edgy emo who wanted to kill his wife once she left him

>>86772501
Maybe Maeglin,in love with his cousin and dooms a whole fucking kingdom because Tuor cucked him

>>86772483
>could have revived the Two Trees just as well as the sylmarils
Nah
Just if she had given them over to Feanor, he wouldnt have made the Silmarils and probably things would have turned up very differently
Reminder that Galadriel was along for the ride when he slaughter the Teleris and she witnessed the entire history up to The War of the Ring firsthand
I cant help but think that she held herself accountable to some degree for all this insanity and the Gimli incident was kind of a redemption for her

>>86772636
ah yeah, that treacherous cunt. He'd fit the description

>remember, always kill a traitor before an enemy Jimbo!

>>86766708
>nazguls
Geriatric poltergeists are not serious opposition

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Ancalagon vs Balerion?

>>86772903
>all those wyverns

>>86769785
>But fuck all those other knights, though right?
How do you know none of them survived?

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Tulkas vs the seven/the drowned god/the other/R'hllor/the old gods/the many faced god?

>>86767058
>The real one is a bit derp but nowhere near so stupid.
>a bit derp
We've been infiltrated, boys.

>>86766154
Uruk-Hai are probably similar to the Mountain in strength, and he fights tons of them

>>86773135
Short brawl, then only laughter remains.

>>86772903
the bigger one

>>86773261
*the hearty, manical laughter of a madman

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who in GoT (besides Gendry) can run 135 miles in 72 hours?
http://imgur.com/a/r4nk2

>>86773302
The joyous, hearty, simple laughter of one going back home, where goddess awaits him

>>86773135
TULKAMANIA

>>86773135
The Chad God ofc

>>86773187
That's oldfag terminology, noob.

>>86773434
>besides Gendry
??

>a man who spent over 100 hundred years fighting hordes of monsters or a good tournament fighter


HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

lotr power levels are fucking retarded, aragorn single highhandedly beat 7 super ghost who were hyped to by fucking imba.
so no one in asoiaf universe would be match, not even DARK_-- I mean a dayne

>>86773776
>imba
Oh god is this 2005?

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>>86766903
it's a shop, this is the original size. Still a little over the top, but much less ridiculous

>>86773538
>>86773538
>Let's start off with the dragon. Since they are magical beasts i'll assume they fly at the speed of an F16, 2120km/h, twice the speed of sound. That means Khaleesi would make it from dragonstone to the mountain range in roughly 1hr20min. Of course, since she is a strong independent queen, flying at mach 2 on the back of a dragon is no problem for her. Cockpits are a part of the patriarchy anyway.

>Sadly, ravens do not fly at the speed of an F16, but since they are magical game of thrones ravens they fly at the speed of a comercial airliner, roughly 800km/h. This means that the raven would fly from Eastwatch to Dragonstone in roughly 3hr20min. Again, no problem for a magical raven (a normal, mortal bird would spend roughly 5 times as long, 16hr20min.)

>Now for our boy Gendry. He had to run at least 482km, probably more. That's quite the marathon. 11.5 marathons, to be exact.
This one kenyan bloke, Dennis Kimetto ran a marathon in 2 hours. You just know our boy kendry can keep up with him. So he ran for at least 23 hours. (But most likely more, since im asuming the sorthest path to get to the mountainous areas from eastwatch.).

>That brings our total, friendly estimate up to 27 hours and 40 minutes. So khaleesi would in fact not arrive the next afternoon

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>>86767612
>The only way to use something like that would be by spinning continually

>>86774026
oh fuck off

>>86773841
doesnt look like a very good weapon at all

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tom bombadil vs night king

>>86773841
>a little over the top
did you forget that you already posted that bait?>>86767058

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>>86773826
If only it still were anon

>>86768243
The Dothraki are meant to use Mongol/Steppe Nomad tactics. They're supposed to be bait-and-run horseback archers, which absolutely raped European armies for hundreds of years. The show has them charging at armies with their Arakhs like idiots, but if we're talking about the book Dothraki, they'd wreck the Eorlingas without much effort.

The Haradrim would be more difficult. The Dothraki would probably lose a lot of fighters in the first few battles, but I think they'd eventually figure out a way to infiltrate or bring down the Oliphaunts, which are all the Haradrim really have going for them.

>>86773841
He only needs WoW shoulderpads

>>86774272
The haradrim would get rekt and the eorlingas would fuck them, you forget: the dothraki are weak against an army with strategies that the unsullied beat 100k dothraki with like less than half the number of soldiers.

>>86774272
A single Oliphaunt would rekt the Dothraki, I don't think they'd be able to devise a way to bring a single one down

>>86774378
It was 25k doth vs 3k unnsullied

>http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Three_Thousand_of_Qohor

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So

Night King vs Lich King?

>>86774491
lich king no question

>>86769427
what the fuck were Utumno and Rhun and Hildorien doing when Sauron was trying to fuck up everybody's shit?

>>86771041
>>86770763

This guy knows
Everyone else is stupid and trolling

Also, in the Hobbit or the LotR, UrukHai does mean "orc Folk" but everyone else calls them goblins. Goblins is the vernacular.

>>86766080
the day /tv/ becomes so fucking contrarian that someone will even shit on LotR is the day I'm done

>>86774491
In 1v1 Arthras because he was build like a truck and had Frostmourne.

Lich king + Scourge vs Night King with his army is hard to say. Scourge had some hugass Abominations, Night king has undead bears and undead Giants.

>>86770462
>middle earth is literally just a child's drawing of Eurasia and Africa

bravo Tolkien, bravo

>>86774491
1v1? Arthas
Army vs Army? Arthas again

Does the Night King even have anything akin to death knights? In the show he only seems to have those three other dudes.

>>86768639
Let's talk about The Big Bang Theory instead, BAZOOPER xDDD

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>>86766903
That fucking hammer

>>86774272
>absolutely raped European armies for hundreds of years
name one European army other bulgaria, hungary and maybe Poland that got "absolutely raped". The mongols were great, but were continually pushed out of europe, partly due to their own internal struggles, party beacuase of a complete different tactics, technology... used by europeans

>>86774855
>name one European army other than these three major European armies

>>86774509
>hat the fuck were Utumno and Rhun and Hildorien doing when Sauron was trying to fuck up everybody's shit?

Rhun and hildorien were probably under control of Sauron, nobody knows
Utumno was completely destroyed by that point

>>86774097

Tom the Bomb just sings the Night King back into a man, pats him on the back and then cartwheels and frolics back into the forest

Remeber, Tom Bombadil put on The One Ring without any fucks to give or repercussions

>>86774946
>all of which defeated the mongols eventually
fuck you. Mongols are memes propagated by john green

>>86774691
>Does the Night King even have anything akin to death knights?

I guess those would be White Walkers.
We don't really know how many of them are there, it's definitely more than 3 as Jon killed a lot of them already

>>86774691
The White Walkers/Others in the books are a lot different than the show versions. They're supposed to be incredibly beautiful elven/alien looking humanoids with elaborate ice-glass armor and weapons, who laugh at human warriors with a sound like shattering glass. They're a lot more intimidating than muh blue mummies.

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Khal Drogo vs. Azog the Defiler?

>>86768784
>written in 1954 by a WW1 veteran
>numale
Kill yourself

>>86775445
>reading comprehension
You really are a retarded nu-male.

>>86767058
Fuck readit

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>>86767989
>Clone war apologists will say this is cannon

>>86776209
Arguing anything post-Lucas is canon is literally reddit

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>>86766027

Aragorn is big and strong in the book, but is Viggo Mortenson in the movie, and his movie skills are Lurtz tier and nowhere near what is shown as the top level in those same movies (Legolas, Elrond and Thranduil pull off the most hard out fight choreog in the 6 PJ films, and the best human fighter based on onscreen feats is Boromir).

Jaime, on the other hand, is the best fighter on a continent which GURM says is the size of South America.

Middle Ages Population density x South American landmass means Jaime is about 1 in 7 million.

This makes him better than just-beats-Lurtz Aragorn, since Lurtz is effectively just a highly skilled Maori in dark makeup.

Jason Mamoa is a highly skilled Maori in GOT as well, and Jorah wrecked his second in command because of Westerosi tech.

Above average westerosi (with tech) > Dorthraki = Uruk Hai = Aragorn.

Jaime > Aragorn

You're welcome.

>>86772945
this is one of my favourite memes

>>86776330
>Aragorn is no longer a numenorian because I said so

>>86770830
>and then he guts himself because his sword told him so

>>86771931
>chooses to be fully human or fully Elven
Tolkien was a fucking hack

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>>86773497
Absolute kek

>>86771768
>chosen
>the only ones that die
I couldn't give two fucks about going to god, I want pleasures of flesh and earthly life for eternity

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>>86776502

In the book, he is, and so has more reach, strength and experience.

So what. That basically makes him Gregor/Sandor - Jaime still claims he can take those guys via skill.

In the movies, nooooooo. He's average height and swings his sword like it weighs 100kg's and barely beats nigger Lurtz who would get wrecked by your average Dothraki screamer.

Jaime has a real shot here. Numenorian fascist cucks are just pathetic. Tolkien was only trying to evoke a lineage of men who had Old Testament grandiosity, not who were fucking Kryptonians.

Retards who don't know their mythology think Numenorians were fucking invulnerable, doesnt make it true.

Faggooooooooot!

>>86776742
So, Jaime can also take on several Nazgul without any problems? Nazgul who make men flee in terror?

>>86776330
this is just sad

>>86774617

The Scourge had multiple Dragons, Multiple Constructs, the Blood Prince Council, Blood Queen, a fuck ton of Death Knights, Marrowgar, and a hell of a lot of zombie fodder. They also have the distinction of their zombies not literally exploding when their leader dies. That only happens if Arthas dies (not likely).

Arthas wins this by a mile unless there's some crazy insane superweapon we haven't seen from TNK yet.

All this talk about Arthas is just making me wish there would be an actual good adaptation of the Lich King arch.

>implying Stannis wont take them both down
Dude was the first on the ladder on blackwater and the last to leave
he also took a cavalry charge to the face and managed to fight his way back to the forest with only an leg injury

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>>86766080
>a woman enters the thread

>>86776330
>>86776742
Being this retarded

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>>86776820

>muh mental strength

Aragorn is a mary sue who was raised by elves. Of course he is going to have all sorts of specfic resistances to evil/fear/will power saving throws.

Who cares?

Jaime couldn't stare down Sauron in the Palantir either, it doesn't matter. Coz he can win sword fights.

That's what counts. That's what he is insanely good at. The best Barristan has ever seen (bar Dayne) by his own admission.

That's why he wins. Good fighter, not good person.

In his own words in the show:

"Its a good thing I am what I am, because I'd have been rubbish at being anything else."

>>86776905

>having no counterargument

>>86777015
Jaime would get BTFO by Aragorn, he's a literal ubermensch beyond humans.

>>86777053
Aragorn: More experience, risen and trained by few thousand years old near immortal super-beings, superior genetically, life of hunting demons and monsters in the wild, wielding better weapon

Jaime: Noble knight trained by best that money can buy in an inferior universe (power level). They say he's a great duelist and had being in few campaigns.

Get of my lawn.