can we discuss the logistics behind this scene?

what's there to discuss?

>>86742738
He got chains from ship wreckage long age and he sacrificed some Wights to dive down and chain it up.

>>86742738
Seems pretty self explanatory to men

>>86742775
Where did they get those fucking massive chains, for one.

Weve seen the nights king raise 1000s of new wights just by raising his arms.
Why did he need to actually touch the dragon to turn it? Why not just do his magic and have the undead dragon swim out of the water?

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>>86742738

>>86742828
>>86742800

>>86742840
Dragons aren't humans anon. It could be that he had to touch it because it's magic too, or as we saw with crasters babies touching is different from rezzing

>>86742828

Hardhome was a fishing village

>>86742775
who made these chains? they must've cost a fortune. did the NK just find them or made them himself?

>>86743002
Well the WW make armour and weapons so why not chains?

More likely though they stole them from Hardhome/The NW/Wildlings

>>86743002
i dont know? why the fuck do we need a backstory on where the NK got those chains? there were probably chains beyond the wall and he basically owns that land now. the nitpicks for this show have gotten a little ridiculous. the show is really fucking flawed but i dont need the backstory behind every blade of grass

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>>86742775
How did he get the chains connected to the dragon. If his army can dive down into the water to connect the chain to the dragons why did he wait until the ice was frozen? Why didn't they just swim across.

>>86742980
this

how did they tie the chains around the dragon? a zombie skeleton is hardly the most agile body for the job

>>86742738
the ice was magic so it didnt crack under the immense weight of the dragon and the force of the chains, which placed a lot of pressure per square inch on the weakening edge of the ice.

It's magic. I ain't explain shit.

>>86743303
zombie scuba divers

They're the chains of fate. NK can make metaphors into reality

>>86743254
the scene where tormund almost dies shows that they swim

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LANCEL GO FIND THE CHAIN STRETCHER

>>86743303
Wights with the default ability maybe not, but possibly White Walkers are able to assume direct control.

>>86743254
because he was baiting the living into bringing dragons north


that or the wights can't swim, only walk on the bottom

>>86743254
they can't swim, its bones and skin they have no buoyancy. they threw a couple of them in there and pulled them up with the chains.(or left them who cares about a couple of dead bodies)

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>>86743267
boats like this don't need oceal liner sized chains lmao

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>>86743440
What was the point of waiting for several days to attack? The episode was garbage.

>>86742840
So they could have the ending shot.

>>86743493
*ocean

>>86743494
D&D wrote themselves into a corner where only the dragons could save them

Why didn't he use his giants that we seen from the first episode to pull the chains?

>>86743440
This. Also we know WW can freeze shit so it really makes no sense.

>>86743618
Because that effect would have cost more than just using extras in costumes.

>>86743493
there was an entire village, who knows why they needed it


>>86743618
cuz they didn't need them

>>86742738
EPISODE 7 LEAKED

GET IN HERE >>86743408

>>86743618
Why go and get his giants if the current hoard will do the job?

He probably didn't bring any on account of the thin ice

The bigger question is why the dragons didn't just go directly for the Night King to begin with. It doesn't make any fucking sense.

The party of Jon, Clegane etc discuss the fact that killing the Night King will most likely cause the rest of the army to shut down. A scene later, and they get access to three fucking dragons. Why didn't any one of them tell Dany "Hey, scorch that guy over there, it will literally resolve this entire conflict"?

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The wights in front are carrying almost the whole weight of the dragon in downforce from the chain angle. Either those wights are strong as fuck or the people making this show don't have a basic grasp of mechanics.

Also this >>86743327

>>86743618
Why didnt he use undead fish or a whale to make the dragon float to the surface?

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>>86742738
Like this

>>86743327
>>86743834
This is just autism

>>86743815
Flying straight at the Night King is probably a bad idea as that makes the dragon a prime target for one of those spears. Also, White Walkers are shown to kill fire wherever they go. They can just step through flames no problem. What if that applies to dragon fire too?

>>86742903
yea he didn't just rez the dragon he gave it its own ice consciousness. like it's its own unit unlike wights which are all dependent on a walker.

>walk army of dead over ice that has been frozen for THOUSANDS of years
>breaks
>wait 1 day
>ice is now stronger than ever
>walk army over again

>>86743815
The dragons nor Dany didn't even know who the NK was.

He's not that much of a shiny target other than being slightly more bald and on a horse

>>86743609
pretty much. arguably it was all a ploy by the night king to get a dragon, but also if that was the case all three of those dragons should be dead or atleast some people would have to die to distract the other white walkers from spearing the dragons

>>86743815
you have to allow for inconsistencies to make stories work. its entertainment. literally just turn your brain off partially and enjoy it

>>86743440
>>86743667
So I might be asking a stupid question here, but why did the white walkers never just walk around the fucking wall, either by walking past it underwater or by freezing the water to allow them to cross on the surface? I understand the wall has a magical bullshit element to it, but the wight they captured last episode proves that taking a ww past the wall won't kill it.

>>86743002
NK is Bran and can see into the past/future, he had the chains built hundreds of years ago in preparation for this moment. Why do you think he killed Viserion and not Drogon? The latter might look superficially like a stronger move, but NK knows his chosen course of action already has a 100% success rate.

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LANCEL
MORE WINE

>>86744007
Gee, it's almost as if the White Walkers have control over ice or something crazy/

>>86742738

They are the chains left over from the slave cities. Varys arranged for them to be brought over. He's been the bad guy all along.

>>86743962
If there's any kind of logic to NK doing some fucking trick shot killing one of the smaller dragons and not Drogon it's that Drogon was simply to massive to be taken down by one spear. Which means he could probably have eaten NK.

>>86744059
But the gang did, as they had recently discussed the potential importance of killing him, and they were all sitting right next to her.

>>86743962
Dany looks at the fucking guy for 30 seconds straight while he dramatically readies a spear. He stands no more than 50 meters off. She literally just has to make her dragon turn its head and breathe, and the entire conflict would be over. And even if she isn't aware of this, the people sitting next to her are.

Could everybody in Westeros including White Walkers just like die already?

>>86744139
The undead has to be "invited" bu the living and we dont know if that applies to WW

Also we dont know what they actually want, they might not be bloodthirsty conquerors

>>86744139
maybe it would take too long for the nk to freeze the water thick enough for his army to walk across it. maybe the wall extends a magic barrier past its length preventing walkers from passing for some reason. maybe its just oversight

>>86742840
Because kino

>>86744267
Yeah, maybe they just wanted a new pet.

>>86744267
are these rules actually established for the wall or are we just assuming it works that way because it worked that way with bloodraven's barrier?

>>86744298
You joke but the NK might just be Ash Ketchum and he wants to "catch 'em all"

>>86744332
Just assuming but in the books its hinted at more. Like with the NK of legend having to have invited his WW wife past the wall

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>>86742903
is Viserion a 'White Walker Dragon' or a 'Wight Dragon'?

>>86744354
haha XDDDD

>>86743962
It takes that nigga five minutes to get a spear, and throw it.

>>86744426
I'm leaning more towards WW Dragon

>>86744187
idiot

>>86744408
oh ok that's a pretty good evidence for it working like that

>>86744434
Fine don't appreciate my joke

asshole

>>86744426
>>86744516
yea definitely a white walker dragon since the night king had to turn him like he did the babies

>>86744552
i liked it friendo

>>86742828
>There was a dock to the left of Viserion as he was being pulled out that had chains on it.
>They're all on top of frozen water with who knows how many ships sunken underneath over who knows how many years
>about a hundred wights fell under the water

I get that the show is upping it's pace to make up for a short season and trimming a lot of fat, but the amount of complaints from people who need things spelled out for them, or entire scenes dedicated to fickle shit like chains shows how stupid a lot of you are.

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>>86744599
thanks bud

why would they even add this scene in the first place? just let the dragon crash on land.
the chain thing didnt even look particularly cool or something.

>>86743303
Undead giants could probably move the chains easier

>>86744426
a wiggon

>>86743470
>>86743374
wight team six

>>86744130
>you have to allow for inconsistencies to make stories work
is this bait?

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>>86742738
IT dosent matter danerys is killed in season by varys with heartsbane

Night king used weirdwood net to see the coming of dragons and waited for dragons to come and sniped one of them, are you all retarded? How didnt you realize it?

>>86744676
its so dany couldn't order drogon or the other dragon to quickly torch the dead dragon body, assuming dragon corpses can burn
also to easily confirm that the dragon is totally dead instead of mortally wounded and slowly dying

>>86744567
>>86744516

And the polar bear that attacked the group, a white walker bear?

>>86744130
I know you're baiting, but I know people who unironically say this. They number of times I've had to explain that fantastical elements doesn't mean it doesn't have to be internally consistent is fucking staggering

>>86744846
Nope, that's a good ol' fashioned wight

>>86742840
Didn't want to copy WoW too much

>>86743815
Dragons can't kill the Night King. He is impervious to fire. How many scenes of him walking through fire do you need before you realize that a dragon cannot kill him.

>fire has no effect
>biting him would have no effect
>obsidian would have no effect (he has obsidian in his heart for fuck's sake)

There was absolutely nothing they could do whether they realize it or not.

>>86744794
i've seen this posted before is this a real spoil? has the whole plot been leaked already?

>>86745158
apparently its so bad it just might be true

>>86744999
wtf do you mean he's impervious to fire? He's made out of ice ffs

>>86745158
>>86745241
not true

she dies in child birth like starwars

>>86744567
Turning so far has only worked with living targets, neither the NK nor the baby were dead when they were made White Walkers. Viserion is dead though, he had his combustion organ pierced together with a main artery looks like from the sudden fountain of blood. So he /should/ become a wight dragon. However, I'm guessing the show will make him a WW Dragon regardless.

>>86745283
I think its less that he himself is impervious to fire and more that he emits such intense cold that nearby fire is choked out, making him effectively immune to it
if it actually got past his cold barrier I'm sure it would wreck him

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It would make sense if they had pulleys

>>86744660
8000 years old ships with 8000 years old anchor chains in a part of the world that has been a snowy wasteland since time immemorial?

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>>86742738
>logic
>fantasy

you are such a smart person

>>86744150
pretty reasonable explanation. and if he didn't make it himself he knew where to salvage it : it's established it's an old world that had great kingdoms.

>>86745283
The story hasn't gone much into how to kill him, but we do know fire (at least regular fire as opposed to inextinguishable wildfire), doesn't hurt him. He always walks through fire. Wights are weak to fire and obsidian though.

>>86742738
4chain=4chan. he's messaging directly to us.
The chains are pulling viseryion out of the water. V. in ancient times, Vs and Us were similar looking in script. So the 4 chains are pulling up a U, and messaging 4chan.

4U?
Four You?
For You.

The Night King is telling us that he's saving this show, with no survivors.

>>86745378
Oooh I like that. They really missed their chance of having the NK walk on water with it instantly freezing under his feet

>>86745302
>>86745158

not true varys finishes her off because of the pain

>>86745447
while OP got me speculating for nothing , how about this: the chains were made to chain down some giants. maybe the giants themselves made them.

>>86744660
>wild longs with Bronze Age weapons crafted industrial quality chains
It would have made far more sense to drain this small lake with buckets and skulls than anything else
>>86742738
Duh craster sold them to him and he got them of the nights watch

>>86745493
well the pain because of child birth complications

thats like saying Lt. Jean Rasczak was killed by Rico

>>86744150
Is that the reason he didn't kill Jon? Even though he had more than one chance?

>>86745349
o yea fair point. yea it definitely looks like ww dragon aesthetically at least.

>>86744999
NK is Bran. Jon will kill Bran.

>>86745526
Yes and the wights also mined them with their pick axe hands

>>86745632
No Bran becomes the new lich king, because there must always be a lich king.

>>86745567
its a weird ending especially the last ep do you really believe it to be true

>>86745670
I dont really know or care but its what ive read

>>86745435
>it contains fictional and supernatural elements not found within the real world
>that means the laws of physics, the laws of cause and effect and all other natural forces are likewise disabled, even when there's no reason to assume they should be.

I'm waiting for a gripping, well written show to contain ever so slightly fantastic elements, and after years of intricate worldbuilding and cleverly written episodes from one instant to the next the whole thing turns into an acid trip with pink elephants on parade for no discernable reason in or out of story at all. And everyone involved flat out refuses to explain what it signified, ever.

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These autism threads never fail to amuse me

>WHY DUZNT JON HAVE UH BLONDE HAIR BCOZ HE'S UH TARGAYRIEN
>WHY UHHHH DOESN'T ARYA HAVE A FACIAL OR NOSE STRUCTURE RESEMBLING EITHER HER MOTHER OR FATHER
>WHY ARE THEY 'WHITE' WALKERS IF THEIR NIPPLES AREN'T PINK

when will this useless bickering ever stop?

>>86745660
Why must there always be one?

>>86744819
Dragons aren't impervious to fire, they can kill each other with it and all.

>>86745785
Because someone needs to control the scourge or else they will run rampant. The lich king controls them all.

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The Night King is clearly the Lord of Light.

>>86742840
hes a big guy

>>86745950
But the dead are dead, they aren't an issue unless someone is rezzing them.

>>86745785
Because Blizzard loves dramatic tropes like "Tragic fallen hero figure is freed from mind control or curse by equally sympathetic character who then has to take their place to preserve cosmic stability". They copied it wholesale from Davy Jones / Will Turner.

>>86746007
they are only cant be rezzed if they are buried in a holy place. The dead can raise the undead.

>>86746053
I mean in GoT

>>86745966
Why did he make Jon and Beric independently conscious revenants with their old personalities and appearance largely intact and able to oppose him with no discernable drawbacks apart from light memory loss with every resurrection, the scars of every lethal blow received and no allergies against magical ice wall barriers?

>>86742738
What is the night kings tax policy going to be?

>>86746184
flat 15% for the peasants, and a progressively higher tax bracket for the nobles

fuck everyone in this thread

>>86744426
Wight. Dragon was dead. Baby was alive.

>>86746153
it was just a prank

>>86746298
mayhaps if the subject is freshly dead some of it's conciseness can be salvaged ala john, beric, etc.

>>86744231
That's true, but they don't know that.

>>86744243
I don't think the flames would have reached him. I agree it was very stupid to just sit there and watch him ready the spear. But are we even sure dragon fire would kill white walkers? They seem pretty immune to fire.

>>86744445
I think he would hurry the fuck up if he was in danger of getting killed. But he does seem to like being slow and dramatic and watching from a distance.

>>86744278
hes immortal, he has all the time in the fucking world

>>86743470
This

They did it in season 1 if you recall. When the wight went to assassinate mormont. They can warg the wights.

>>86743494
to lure the dragons in you stupid fuck

>>86748094
why not take the biggest one then you dweeb?

>>86743444
Nice trips and underrated Navypost.

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why didnt he just stab the ice to raise the dragon?

>>86750143
whats the night kings weapon called?

Let's say the NK and his white walkers take control of Westeros, and every living thing has died

What does he do in his spare time (which is basically all of his time) at that point?

>>86742738

it was one of the dumbest eps in TV history

>>86743002
North Koreans aren't in GoT

>>86744059
what the fuck has north korea to do with anything you shit

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>these people trying to punch holes in night king's story

Dabid just wanted a cool shot, okay?!

Stop bully

>>86743844
>undead fish or a whale
That would be the jump the shark moment for me

>magical blue guy that can control the weather
>also can bring armies back to life
>also invincible to steel and fire

>BUT WHERE DID HE GET THE CHAINS FROM

Autists strike again

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Two bobbies ? Are you letting the normies get away with their fanfiction ?

>>86750742
If he starts shitting little Tyrions next episode will you call them out on bad writing or if a series has magic in it then anything goes?