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British Tv Show: Isis Soap Opera "The State"

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>>86721701
Well, at least the Brits know who their core television demographic are.
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>>86721720
if you actually watch the show it potrays isis as cruel but incompetent
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>>86721745
Is it not sympathetic towards the idiots who join it though
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>>86721701

Hmm that's ballsy of them to air it. I know it turns out that IS is horrible, but you're risking retarded pakis with an attention span of a 5-year-old buying a ticket to Syria before that revelation.
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>>86721852
Why don't they glorify ISIS so more slimes leave and get killed in some shithole desert a world away instead of turning out towns and cities into crime ridden ghettoes with child rape gangs, cannibal kebab vendors, and sharia patrols?
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>>86721701

Imagine if they made this about Neo-Nazis shitposting on the internet.

They'd literally jail the producers and ban the entire channel from airing.
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>>86721701
Nice.
Movie about deluded germans joining Hitler when?
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>>86721701

>some impotent drama normalizing ISIS members
>meanwhile you can't say a word about Islam or Muslims in the UK
>absolute travesty of justice in indicting members of the rotherdam rape gangs (among fucking others across the country); and hardly a peep in the media about a genuine, literal, legitimate cultural phenomenon where pakis have no guilt or conscience about child molestation against native children of the country they immigrate to

Fuck them, fuck the police, and fuck the bloody media for this goddamn insult to us as a people.
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>tfw the only blacks in ISIS come from UK

JUST
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>Well i watchin the telly welly the other night and turns out, ISIS is bloomin 'orrible!

Wew
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>>86721701
Channel 4 are gonna use this shit as propoganda for letting isis members return to the UK to be 'rehabilitated'.
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>>86721701

imagine a British soap opera in the 1940's about Nazi Germany, humanizing the enemy.

this is bonkers
>>86721921

'cause those retards mostly don't go to Syria, but instead run over children for their Jihad in countries that are actually worth something
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>>86722048

I mean seriously, deport the fucking bastards and lets be done with this goddamn charade. Why the fucking fuck do we let these assholes in here when they just want to run a mess of our lot? There's no sense in it. It's bloody fucking stupid.
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>this is such a common occurrence in the U.K. that they couldn't ignore it any longer and made a show about it

the state of the anglo, disgusting.
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>>86721973

>tfw BBC made a really vanilla movie about one of the least wide spread/least depraved rape gangs, and never once in the show, ever, mentioned Islam or used the word Muslim, even though one of the rape leaders was the Imam at the local mosque and preached about raping white girls, AND they shoehorned in a Muslim lawyer as the prosecutor

>People STILL complained and they won't show it again because it made that fat Welsh guy mad and drive his fan into a bus stop outside a Mosque (a Mosque famous for recruiting terrorists and preaching death to English natives) and killed one old guy
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>>86722048

Several thousand have returned, and aside from a few hundred """""""core""""""" members, none of them are under steady surveillance because budgets have been diverted to combat Online Right Wing Extremism
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>>86721701
Fucks sake, what a load of bullshit. At least there's that movie about the YPG to counter this propaganda
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>>86722078
Its by design you fucking nonce
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Daily reminder that wrongthink is now and offense in Britainistan. You will get a visit from the thought police if you espouse negative opinions towards a a non white group or ideology.
https://soundcloud.com/christian-finch-269783044/counter-terrorism-interview
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>NatGeo also involved in the show
Makes me sad.
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>>86721701
Couldn't broadcast this in the US. Would trigger too much right wingers.
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>>86722348

Do you agree with it? If so, why?
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>>86721807
yeah it is trying to make the audience sympathetic towards the 4 people.
unsurprising for C4 to do this though. i don't care if these 4 people think they are victims or the show tries to make them look like victims, they should get the rope.
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>>86722316

this isn't rotherham, this is a new one

once again the police were to scared to be called racist so let it continue, they paid one of them 10k to confess
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>>86722380
Because it's a self hating alt lefter.
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>>86722316
>your

jesus christ bongistan
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>>86722411
And you can guarantee there are dozens more throughout Britain because pedophilia is an inherent part of Islam. It's also an inherent part of the leftists and homosexual philosophy which is why you wont see any outrage from them and they wont be out protesting.
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>>86722415

Blind to whatever their side spews out, and it's voluminous, considering the utter expanse of it's operations, they myopically brow beat the fringe right wing for daring to speak up about it, when they literally have no platform in any kind of sphere of influence.

Really makes you think.
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>>86721950
It's called Imperium
And /pol/tards complained when it was released for putting attention on white terrorists when Muslim terrorists exist

There's literally no pleasing you fucks
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I hate channel 4 and the BBC so fucking much. Britian is dead.
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Anyone else been following the Guardian's coverage and articles of Charlottesville compared to Barcelona? There's no attempt to even pretend anymore.
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>>86722316
>Commiting a crime that was illegal in real life before can now be punished if it is commited online.

Oh no, all the poor trolls will finally face the law if they bully some teen into suicide online! Stop the presses!
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>>86722380

What, part depicting ISIS as incompetent organization with with illusions of grandeur about their pathetic Islamic state and the end of the world? Or that they attempt to portray the misguided search for a meaning from the people who travel to become part of the jihad?
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>>86722048
Fuck that, you guys should take example from France, they've actively been murdering any of their citizens who defected to ISIS they can get their hands on in the middle east.
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>>86722492
Did you heard about ISIS attack in russia few days ago?
Man with a knife and an axe stabbed 7 people in town Surgut.
But police said - it isn't terrorist attack.
Nothing on news about it.
Putin send his regrets to Barcelona, but said nothing about this too.
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>>86722471
>multiple Islamic vehicular terrorist attacks throughout Europe killing dozens
Part & parcel.
>one alleged white supremacists indirectly kills a fat commie with his car
This is a major problem throughout the USA.
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There have literally been movies and shows where the protagonist was a german nazi. Why get so triggered because of this show. Conservatives so quick to want to censor everything and take away all our freedoms of expression.
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>>86722492
yeah, all white guys are white supremacists because one drove a car into a crowd. however, 12 people try to blow up a church but instead mow down a streetful of people are just a few bad men.

it is totally unsurprising how they present the two stories
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>>86722492
Great article on the reaction to Charlottesville versus Barcelona.

http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/from-charlottesville-to-barcelona/20222#.WZlOWCiGPIU

It was linked by a commenter in the Guardian no less. Even they're awake to what institutions like the BBC, Channel 4 and Guardian are doing.
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>>86722501
>we should make it illegal to criticize an ideology because feelings could get hurt
>calls others Nazis
Why must you alt left babies police everything?
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>>86722478
Anon, almost all Imperium threads in /tv/ were retarded jokes about Harry Potter.
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>>86722492

the guardian is just the british vice/salon now, clickbait far left trash

there is an article today arguing for nelsons column to be torn down, written by some affirmative action nigger
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>>86722502

C'mon, that's not the gist from the trailer, and you know it. They're trying to garner emotional appeal for a people who recently just murdered 13 people in Spain, among countless other fatalities. They can't keep making this trite, because the Louvre is next, and so is every other monument to the West, along with all it's people.
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>>86722580
i dont care much about trump but he really is right about all this fake news stuff
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>>86722580
White supremacists are kinda pathetic. So much for being the superior race when they can't even compare to your average jihadist who they claim to be subhuman,
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>>86722492
>>86722623

Why doesn't someone just bomb their HQ? They deserve it with all the poison they spew.
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>>86722348

>Trigger right wingers

Yeah, it's Right Wingers deleting websites and getting people fired from their jobs for having opinions or telling naughty jokes.

You could have this in the U.S., and the most you would get is a;

>We don't like it

From Fox News.

Meanwhile, you make a joke about a fat bitch getting run over at a retard rally and literally the entire left wing political and media establishment loses their minds, goes on a Stasi like censorship spree and drives TV show producers to literally stand on a stage and autistically screech at the top of their lungs that 1/3rd of the U.S. must be murdered.
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>>86722623
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_oIUHRRCTM
This is the type of faggot who writes for the guardian no wonder it's such a joke these days.
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>>86722643

That's your take on this thread? Taking down a lone white supremacist with racial supremacy of your own brand? You're just as bad.
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>>86722129
>and killed one old guy
the old guy died of a heart attack and the welsh dude drove his car into the crowd that gathered around the old man iirc
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>>86721701
>That classical tune signaling to the viewers that this should be considered "refined" television.
Just pathetic. Another show to be cancelled in the first 2 seasons
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>>86722430
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>>86722478

Imperium was about the brave FBI taking down super evil, sinister and competent neo-nazis.

And /pol/ loved making memes out of it.

>There's literally no pleasing you fucks

How would you know if you've never tried?
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>>86722643
>Jihadists are better than white supremacists because they kill more people
You alt leftists really are mentally ill.
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>>86722625
>They're trying to garner emotional appeal for a people who recently just murdered 13 people in Spain, among countless other fatalities

Easy with the tinfoil hat.
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>>86722659

Oh, that's right, ISIS is funded by the West to sow discord. That's why they won't target THE VERY NEXUS OF CORRUPTION IN MODERN SOCIETY.
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>>86722411
>bottom, 3rd in Carolann Gallon
>Carolann

Is that a xhe?
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>>86722719

Considering you likely live far from the violence, it's easy to blind yourself to the casualties, right?
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>>86722492

It's hilarious and ming boggling.

I saw on Marco Rubio's twitter feed people asking him to explain why he went on a lengthy, angry rant about Nazis and Racists, after one random fat lady got hit by a car at a protest that one or two Nazis were at - Yet when Muslims (again) slaughter 16 people he can't even bring himself to say the word "Islamic".

You had Wolf Blitzer, seriously, suggest that Barcelona was a copycat of "Charlotesville"

They just don't give a shit about reality anymore.
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>>86722659

luckily they operate at a massive loss and their comments section is 90% dissent

still they're kept afloat by some mysterious benefactors who just love their quality journalism
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>>86722501

It shouldn't be a crime IRL either.

The central point is;

>Investigating acts of free speech
>Investigating jokes

>Don't investigate mass child abuse
>Don't investigate mass rape
>Don't investigate terrorism

>Don't even pretend to hide the fact that it's race based.
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>>86722753

Damn, it's like you really know me!
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>>86722805

Stop pussy-footing, grow a spine, and say "I haven't experienced this kind of violence in any form whatsoever" because it's true.
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>>86722802
If they arrested them I'm sure there was an investigation.
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>>86722719

It's actually true and the Australian media (because some Australian Hapa kid was killed in the attack) are having a meltdown over it.

European/British media have been whoring out the "Good Boys Who Dindu Nuffin"'s mothers on TV, showing how heartbroken they are, and how they have "lost" their children too (not to Islam, because as the wailing mothers repeat, Islam is surely a religion of peace) and how they were led astray by "anonymous radicals perverting the one true great religion".
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>>86721701
What's wrong with this? It doesn't portray ISIS as the good guys.
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>>86722802

>child dies after makeshift boat carrying illegal immigrants fails and his body washes up on British beach

YOU DID THIS WHITE PEOPLE BECAUSE OF YOUR INTOLERANCE, picture printed in every news article for months

>girl holding a teddy bear is mown down on the streets of central paris as part of an attack that killed dozens

silence

its almost as if they are getting their orders from somewhere
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>>86722759
I just hope a lot of people are paying attention to shit like this
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>>86722892
>silence
No?
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>>86722847

Not personally, but neither have you.
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>>86722855

>Arrested them

Precisely. They don't arrest them.

We see a small trickle of sexual abuse cases get investigated, usually after years of delays because of a refusal to investigate.

We see next to no child abuse cases get investigated, and often DEFENDED, even though hundreds occur every month.

And at this point the terrorism investigations amount to "We checked to see if the terrorists had enterered the country. They did" and then they go back to arresting edgy teenagers for making Hitler jokes while Muslims run over and stab and explode people.
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>>86722892

It's some sublime cognitive dissonance these people have. There are no foreseeable ends to these terrorist attacks, right? So the West, sorry, Europe will continually be barraged by incidents of mass homocide for, I don't know, maybe decades? Until they finally wake up and realize, hey, wait, there's a big problem here, and Islam is the reason for it. Meanwhile, Israel, arch enemy of Arabs, is wholly clean of any kind of aggression beyond Palestinian children throwing rocks. Makes you think.
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>>86722971
>incidents of mass homocide

Nice Freudian slip.
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>>86722898

They are, but it makes no difference.

They'll just fucking delete anyone who criticizes them.

Again - just look at the reactions to the BLM related shootings in Dallas/Baton Rouge, Every Islamic Terrorist Attack Of The Last Five Years, The Baseball Shooter and then Charlotesville.

20 kids getting blown up by nail bombs was less egregious to liberals than one fat chick getting run over in a fight with a weekend Nazi at a mutual riot.

In fact, when people did complain about the children being blown up by nail bombs, Owen Jones posted videos on his twitter of violent Muslim thugs beating up English people along with a smiley emoticon.
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>>86722971
>hey, wait, there's a big problem here, and Islam is the reason for it.

Or, you know, the west bombing Islamic countries and overthrowing their democratic governments for decades and then seeing the populace get swallowed by deep sown hate against the west and its allies when their family members die in the thousands and nobody is made accountable for it.
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>>86722502
>misguided search

Except there's nothing misguided about it. Everyone that traveled to Iraq and Syria knew what ISIS was about and what they stood for. ISIS revel in their violence. They post beheadings and people being burnt to death online for everyone to see. It's been impossible to ignore the activities of ISIS in the last 5 years. These people knew they were joining a death cult but did it anyway. Trying to portray them as sympathetic, naive characters is fucking shameful.
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>>86722942
Well, apparently they do arrest them.

>>86722411
>eighteen people FOUND GUILTY
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>>86723013
shitskin detected
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>>86722926
You're right.
#pray4evisceratedchild
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>>86723013
Fucking awful bait lad. A Moroccan stabbing a mum pushing a pram along the street in Finland has fuck all to do with Britain and America's Iraq war.
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>>86723024
>Everyone that traveled to Iraq and Syria knew what ISIS was about and what they stood for.

No, they just fell for the "It's a literal paradise, bro! Get a wife and a house for free!" meme. Once they get there, they aren't allowed to leave. Some of them of course buy entirely into the violence and propaganda, but plenty are disillusioned since they're literally stupid teenagers. Many such stories!
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>>86723024
Well, the Nazis were a death cult and you have people today glorifying them.
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>>86723013
Yea man. I remember the part where viets, japs, corean, cuban, south american were mass killing american people.
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>>86723140
Not directly, obviously, but the ground has been made very fertile for the jihadists brainwashers to get young people to buy into their shit thanks to the 16 years we've been fighting in the middle-east.
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>>86723183
There were plenty of ethnic terror attacks in America in the 70s

Look up FALN, JDL
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>>86723145
Yeah and they get vilified for it. Channel 4 is never going to produce The Sympatheitc Nazi: A Four Part Drama. The timing of this series couldn't be worse. Do your apologist ISIS drama in 20 years when they're not still actively and regularly killing people across Europe. How many more major ISIS attacks will there be before this series concludes? Probably at least one.
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>>86723186
The fertile ground is the marxist ideology weakening our nations and brainwashing young people combined with the raise of islamist ideology, which has nothing to do with some war at the other side of the world.
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>>86722986
>Nice Freudian slip.

Not a freudian slip at all.

>>86723013

Right, so drive a car into unsuspecting civilians, rape women and kids, and utterly terrify a populace of people who had no involvement with said war. You'd convince me if you actually went after the nexus of power that the West uses to push what you're wholly against, fuckhead.
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>>86723013
>Or, you know, the west bombing Islamic countries and overthrowing their democratic governments for decades
I was unaware that Saddam Hussein, Bashar al-Assad and Muammar Gaddaffi ran democratic governments.
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>TV and film finally starts to talk about Islamic terrorism
>WTF is this propaganda, why don't they portray all Muslims as bloodthirsty murderers and rapists?!
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>>86723263
There are a lot of films showing kids getting seduced by the Nazis to join Hitlerjugend or do similar things.
Hell, there are more good Nazis in Western entertainment than good Poles.
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>>86723186
>Not directly, obviously

Good, glad that you agree that your argument is self-flagellating bullshit. They're doing this shit because (1) there's enough of them in Europe now to develop 'communities' and cells and (2) because their holy book, which is the unquestionable, undeniable word of god, exhorts them to.
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>>86723276
True, I was mainly referring to Iran, but you get the general idea of toppling governments and seeding chaos in the region.
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>>86723013

Considering historically the Arab Middle East would see to Europe becoming Muslim by it's many failed conquests, I only see that as just deserts.
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>>86723278
>why don't they portray all Muslims as bloodthirsty murderers and rapists?!
Yea, why are they lying?
You have to be naive at best, accessory at worst to describe people joining isis as dindu.
Every one knows who ISIS are. The killing/torturing HD cam is how they got famous. This is their strenght : no bullshit.
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>>86723326
Were those movies made in the 30s and 40s with the nazis at their height? Were those movies used as propaganda for reintegrating nazis into the societies that they pledged to conquer? Of course not. What channel 4 is doing is is incredibly tasteless to the point of being sinister.
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Colonized
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>>86723278
>WTF is this propaganda, why don't they portray all Muslims as bloodthirsty murderers and rapists?!

Right, we should just make them out to be people you can sympathize with.
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>>86723354
The same people calling for 'humanitarian' intervention in these countries are the same people telling us to accept mass immigration into the west. For example the prior to the overthrow of Gaddafi the BBC were beating the war drums constantly, we must topple this sadistic despot! Now we barely hear a peep about Libya since it turned into a failed sate, but we must accept into Europe any fucking African leaving the port of Tripoli.
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>>86721701
>the state of British television
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>>86723356

Finally, thank you, this is literally karma for you shit skins. You want Jihad. You want bloodthirsty conquest over Europe, and you've never been able to properly sate that thirst, however long you've strived to achieve it. Europe did you what you attempted to, and it's literally come-uppance.
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>>86723420
Those were different times. This kind of propaganda doesn't work today. People aren't one-dimensional.
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>>86723278
>why don't they portray all Muslims as bloodthirsty murderers and rapists?!

Nice straw man. Not all muslims joined ISIS. The people that joined ISIS were/are/or wanted to be, bloodthirsty murderers. They deserve zero sympathy. The equivalent would be a series about a group of sympathetic people joining the Waffen SS. Can you imagine Channel 4 ever doing that?
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>>86723520
I don't think this trailer portrays them as sympathetic.
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>>86723442
Toppling Gaddafi is eventually going to be remembered as the worst fucking thing the west has done in the last 20 years.
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>White genocide isn't real
-/leftypol/
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>>86722579
Link to tweets of "conservatives" wanting the show cancelled? Or did you just completely make that up?
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>>86723594
The first episode does according to everyone that's watched it. It portrays highly educated people as having been 'tricked' into joining the death cult ISIS :(

We really should let them all back in. They've just been naive.
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>>86721701
Pays tax so the bbc can tell you that ISIS members are good boy that are just misguided.
LAMO at the retards defending this shit.
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>>86723658
It's Channel 4, who are worse.
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>>86723645
So why did they join ISIS? Because it's true, educated Muslims are joining ISIS. What is the reason for that?

>according to everyone that's watched it
So you obviously haven't seen it.
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Four Lions was funnier, but as sequels go it's alright.
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>>86722064
>imagine a British soap opera in the 1940's about Nazi Germany, humanizing the enemy.
There are quite a few British sitcoms (not from the 1940s) that protray nazis as comedic incompetents rather than inhuman evil. Dads Army, Ello Ello, that one where Rodney from Only Fools and Horse goes back in time.
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This is why neo-Nazism is on the rise.
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>>86721701
Sometimes I wish I was dead.
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>>86723783

Why? Because people think shit you disagree with? Do you really reckon some opinion piece in the Guardian is going to turn the entire country on Nelson's sodding column? Stop being so easily riled.
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>>86723729
Because of ignorance and stupidity?
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>>86723703
>So why did they join ISIS? Because it's true, educated Muslims are joining ISIS. What is the reason for that?

Because they want a caliphate. Because they believe in an apocalyptic holy war between muslims and non muslims in which muslims will enslave the world. How dense are you? They haven't been tricked into anything.
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>>86723718

That was during a time, which is still present, when nazis were wholly irrelevant as some kind of formidable entity.
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>>86721807
But it does, its all about
>dey had hard life
>dey were lied to
>they practically dindu nuffin
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>>86723276
>Implying Gaddaffi was bad
kys cunt
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>>86723852
Yes
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>>86723897

>threatening to flood Europe with migrants if he wasn't paid reparations

Good thing he was outed, right!
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>>86723278


Ahah, love the drama and the sad music trying to humanize those fuckers.
"Poor deluded islamist who were only looking for justice", "they did nothing wrong", "wtf i tought islam was about peace?"

Please do the same thing for the Germans during the 30's now.
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>>86723894
What if it's true?

>dindu nuffin
I doubt it says this.
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>>86723943
Like I said, there are many films portraying the Germans as naive people seduced by Hitler.
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>>86723718
>not from the 1940s

Yeah which is the important part of what you said. Humanising nazis and portraying them as sympathetic characters DURING the time when they were bombing the UK would have been obscene. That's what Channel 4 are doing right now. There's going to be islamic terror attacks in Europe between the release of each of these episodes. It's insulting to the victims to be saying "yeah they've killed loads of people, but not everyone that joined ISIS is bad LMAO".
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>>86723931
So he's bad because he threatened to send people to your countries to work and live? Fuck, that's terrifying, so glad they killed him
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>>86723943
Germans have done that.
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>>86723707
my nigga, good taste anon
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>>86723992
70 years later.
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>>86723923

You're a daft sod then. The "Guardian pick" from the comments section is about opposing the removing and/or destruction of statues too.

You don't have to throw a shit fit every time an article you disagree with gets written
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>>86723987

Right? As if crime doesn't sky rocket with migrants flooding. As if the cologne incident wasn't a thing, or the rotterdam rape gangs. There's no sense of racial animosity amongst those groups! Nor is there is a sense of racially-motivated misogyny!
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>>86723943
All Quiet on the Western Front and La Grande Illusion are both from 1930s. Both portray German as the good guys.
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>>86723861
Yes, of the left wing and the people they import in the west.
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>All these "Germans/ISIS" comprisons

Are you guys literally retarded?

ISIS members do it voluntarily

Most people in Germany had absolutely no choice. That's why you can be symphatetic to their situation.

This isn't even remotely comparable.
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>>86724114
CDU isn't left wing.
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>>86723944
>What if it's true?
The fuck are you talking about dumb fuck? Everyone has internet now there is no excuse like "I DIDNT KNOW THEY KILL PPL ;(" in 21st century.
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>>86724152
Well their leader is an ex(?) communist.
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>>86724145
They voted for NSDAP voluntarily.
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>>86724152
Yes we know, pro-gay marriage pro-mass immigration socialist party is considered conservative in germoney.
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>>86724145

Hitler was essentially a sultan. Same situation of governance, really. Can't blame him.
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>>86724181
Merkel isn't an ex communist.
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>>86724251

You're right, she IS a communist
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>>86724219
They aren't really pro-gay marriage.
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>>86724284
No, many young people joined the FDJ. It doesn't mean they were all communists.
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>>86724219
>pro-gay marriage
lol
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>>86724311
Yes most of them voted for it, because thats what conservative christian party would do right?
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>>86724184
Just like you voted for that small addition you weren't told about in your cpu. Voting doesn't mean anything.
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>>86724360
They were against it in the past. I guess they realized there is no need to continue their opposition. Most Western countries already legalized homosexual marriage.
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>>86724219
how is mass immigration not right wing? there's a reason reagan let millions of mexicans invade california, and it certainly wasnt for charity
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Jesus, we haven't even managed to kill off ISIS yet, can we hold until they're well and truly out for the count?
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>>86723595
Agreed. He certainly may have been a piece of shit but everything is far worse off with him gone.
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>>86722492
CNN/Wolf Blitzer called Barcelona a copycat attack of Charlotesville
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>>86724608
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc9Ve7xH358
Link for those interested.
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>>86724488
As I said thing a real conservative christian party would do :)
Stop lying to yourself CDU is left wing.
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>>86724522
in britain mass immigration in the 90s and 2000s was done specifically to secure future votes for labour

didn't work, obviously, but that was their reasoning at the time
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>>86724522
Because conservatism is all about preserving status quo? How is inviting foregins in coservative move?
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>>86724531
Killing off ISIS won't change anything. Another terrorist group will appear.
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>>86722386
They're trying to normalize Jihadis returning to Bongland (de-bonged). Most Brit TV has propaganda elements.

Remember Bongs, it's okay to have a 5-year holiday beheading people, but don't forget to pay that license, or else.
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>>86722892
Westerners have run out of shit to complain about. Youre all bored as fuck and instead of looking to conquer space, you look to coddle us third world shitholes in the hope it brings meaning into your pathetic existence. Get your ass to mars
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>>86725809
This is just idiotic.
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