Hey you Star Wars fans, you know your hero Luke Skywalker? He

I thought the force sloth was the main villain

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... and there's nothing you can do about it, goy (well I mean you can buy our toys... you will won't you? please)

This thread is now about how you would have re-written TFA.

Personally I would have brought in Hammil and Ford as the lead actors again and done away with the entire nu-starwars plot. After the loss of their son, Solo and Leia became estranged for years until he gets an SOS transmission from her. He and Luke, with the help of some new friends like the tech-savvy Rey travel to the war torn planet, Coruscant to find that a new order has been building on the ruins of the old jedi temple. Kylo is revealed and takes off his mask at the climax and kills both his parents, while luke barely manages to hold him off and escape with Rey to teach her the ways of the force. They end up banging too.

>making an old, white male a villain in the current year

I don't see a problem here.

>pulls the string on the Luke figure
>"It's time old white men like me stepped aside and made way for the future."
>pulls string
>"Our galaxies are full of too many people like me. Wouldn't it be so much better if guys like myself would just step aside and let people of other races populate the galaxies?"

>>86583305
>"it's time for the white males... to end"
Literally a quote from the trailer.

>>86583199
>Ford as the lead

He fucking hates Star Wars and phones it in 9/10 times in all of his movies now that's an old shit.

I wouldn't be surprised if he only joined up because they told him they'd kill off Solo.

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>>86582837

>>86583356
Just cast him as a cranky old jaded Han then, even if he phones in a performance, he still does a great job. Like Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino.

>>86583199
>This thread is now about how you would have re-written TFA.

There should have been more factions within the galaxy/story.
>New Republic
>New Jedi Order
>Hutt/crime syndicates
>First Order
>Kylo Ren and other Dark Jedi
>Non-aligned systems

The First Order should have been comprised of remnant Imperial Moffs, Generals, and Admirals. After coming of age at the end of the Clone Wars and being indoctrinated to fear and hate Jedi, they served the Empire under the torment and threats of a spooky dark Force user, and his creepy cyborg ex-jedi ax man, only to watch their empire brought down by another Jedi, these Imperials want nothing to do with Force users of any kind. They mostly use old Imperial weapons and equipment, but now also have specialist units that can go toe to toe with Jedi and other Force users.

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>>86582837
>We don't care if you don't like it, we are guaranteed to make billions anyways!

How did they do it? How did they force Lucas to sell?

>>86582837
Well that would actually be somewhat original for once.
Then again, I do wonder why Luke just fucked off after Darth Schoolshooter killed all his pupils. But I guess that's a Jedi thing.

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Rian Johnson is a cuck. He didn't write the stroy by himself. He had to get permision from Kiri Hart doing his thing. Kiri Hart is a cunt who's running the Lucasfilm story groups which is composed by abunch of cunts who don't know anything about storytelling but they know about their vagina, and that's the only thing they will be talking about. Embarrassing because Rian pretends he has full creative control.
The story group was invented by Disney and is essentially a focus group.

https://youtu.be/hib2cnhE_fQ?t=3m57s

>>86583199
>This thread is now about how you would have re-written TFA.

Leia should have been a Jedi.
For all the noise they made about Carie Fisher and how great and important her role was in Star Wars, Disney really did her a disservice by relegating Leia to a nothing-burger position and never developing herForce abilities.

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>>86585711
Who can I blame for this?

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>>86585502
>How did they do it? How did they force Lucas to sell?

Pedo honeypot blackmail.

>>86585711
>>86586909
It will crash and burn, the last jedi will. Let it crash and burn.

>>86583199
>This thread is now about how you would have re-written TFA.

Finn was wasted in TFA.
He's an adult child-soldier who breaks his conditioning. He should be deeply conflicted and torn between fearing/hating the First Order and loyalty to his comrades. He escapes into a galaxy that can't understand: he has no moral compass outside military discipline, so he struggles to find direction. He joins the Rebellion but isn't fully accepted due to his past and his reluctance to kill brainwashed First Order fighters.
>Imagine this scene: Rebel fighters are coming back from a mission, cracking jokes about ambushing a squad of Storm Troopers, Finn overhears and confronts them. Those storm troopers were like him, they weren't given a choice in which side they fought on.
When he fights Phasma, he's holding back, he wants to save her. Similarly, Phasma holds back against Finn, he is her greatest failure and she wants to bring him back into the fold.

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>>86583031
WHY WOULD ANYONE WANNA BUY A TOY OF THIS ASIAN WOMAN THAT LOOKS SO UNAPPEALING?

>"I want you to find the most unattractive Asian chick that there is"

>>86587075
>How did they force Lucas to sell?
By saying they could make his life a living hell if he didn't. It's obvious this is what they did.

Just watch the interviews of Lucas and you can see how sad he is. Not to mention he WANTED to be on set with Disney but since he didn't like what they were doing and how they wouldn't allow any of his ideas to go into these films, he had to part ways
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWNLWMy336A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5TGJquhP1s

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>>86588809
Disney films test audiences then uses facial expression recognition algorithms in order to optimize the viewer experiences of their movies and rides. Maybe they used this technology during the casting process but had it poorly calibrated. Somebody probably questioned the computer's decision, but since it's worked well in the past, they were overruled.

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>>86588863
>I brought Kathy on board because I wanted somebody I trusted.
>somebody I trusted.

>>86585711
Ahh that's why Star Wars is now so shit. Women ruin politics and art alike.

>>86588863
>Just watch the interviews of Lucas and you can see how sad he is
But Lucas is always sad
>>86589330
>is now so shit
Are we really going to sit here and pretend that the Disney movies are worse then the prequels?

>>86589387
If anyone thinks that TFA is down there with the prequels than they are retards

However if the evil Luke thing is true I will consider them to be just as bad

>>86589541
Disney has made a lot of bad choices with Star Wars, however I doubt that they would go so far as to make Luke evil.

>>86589541
I don't think they're *as* bad as the prequels, but they're insultingly unimaginative and safe.

>>86589541
>>86589568
Evil Luke is obviously disinfo bait to build hype around the movie, (((they))) do this every fucking time. I thought /tv/ already learned to spot (((their))) tricks.

>>86589881
Then we are entering the age old question of do you want something unimaginative and safe or imaginative and bad?

>>86589926
Who is this they that you speak off?

>>86589937
Imaginative and bad all the way. Even if you look only at the memes spawned by the Prequels, imaginative shit is clearly superior.

>>86589966
Not here, anon.

>>86589881
Lucas oils have thrown around ideas with the new trilogy, it would help a lot with thier imagination

Because while everything else Lucas did was horrible, his imagination was amazing

>>86589937
I'll take imaginative and bad every time, because imaginative stands the chance of producing something great or at least so bad it's good. Unimaginative, safe films never produce anything offensive enough to enjoy at any level. They're just a vacuum of a viewing experience that's consumed and largely forgotten.

I thought the Force is meant to be an aether that permeates through everything and creates the polarities of light and dark through balance.

But I guess it's female now or whatever.
Was it male before? I don't know.

>>86583199
Hamill and Ford are too old to carry an action movie. This is retarded. The OT is over, let it go.

>>86582837
Didn't Hamill always want Luke to go dark?

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>>86582837
Postmodern anti-heroic inversion. Storytelling designed to de-moralize.

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>Snoke doesn't want the Jedi to return
>Luke isn't interested in bringing the Jedi back

What's the fucking problem here?

>>86582837

Who here won't go see star wars in the cinema? I will probably pirate it but at this point I really don't care that much anymore.

It's like when I used to be a capeshit fan, excited for when the new movies came up and forgiving the mediocre scripts and generic tone, until Avengers came out and I just couldn't ignore the shittyness anymore.

At this point Star wars is just another franchise for normies who fancy themselves nerdy, and tumblrinas. We are not the target audience for this crap, so might as well move on to bigger, better things.

>>86592221
I won't. I'm not boycotting it, or anything like that. I've come to the conclusion that Star Wars, for me, is the undoctored original trilogy that I saw in the theatres back in the 70s and 80s. Less is more.

>>86592221
>Who here won't go see star wars in the cinema?
I'll still see it, but I'll probably buy a ticket for a different movie and just go in the theater screening SW in order to divest from the franchise.

>>86592221
Yeah, I won't, I saw two movies, red the new books and the characters made according to progressive checklist means that they will never be in any way interesting as it is always the case.
It is pointless for me to waste money on it any longer. It will still make billions.

>>86589387
Revenge of the sith is complete kino next to these nu star wars shit man

>>86589966
The judios

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>>86585711
>I moved up to San Francisco and regularly met with Kiri Hart and her team of Funny and Talented Female Writers (Deal With It™)
>I'd write all my ideas up on a white board and bounce them off her story group.
>I'd let them tell me "No, don't do that."
>Or "Yes, you can do that"
>It was good to get permission from somebody in order to do anything

This level cuckoldry isn't even funny, it's just sad.

>>86585354
>This thread is now about how you would have re-written TFA.

>the Demon Prince Mortarion loses his way in the warp
>he and his Chaos Terminator bodyguards exit the warp in TFA universe
>butchers everyone with his giant scythe
>picks his teeth with lighsabers
>gets stomach pains due to the levels of faggotry and xenoestrogen
>returns back WH universe
>appreciates the Imperium just a tiny bit more

>>86592933
The worst part is that Rian Johnson seems to find this perfectly normal. I mean, even JJ Abrams didn't reveal it because he knows it's a shame.

>>86585791
Of all the things to carry over from the EU. At least there she was President of the Galaxy for about 25 years.

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>Ben has developmental issues and can only use the Force when throwing tantrums
>His out of control behavior causes Han to walk out on Leia
>Leia sends him to some crazy aliens to have him purged of his connection to the force
>Snoke captures Ben on route to aliens, promises to teach him how to use the force, but can only really give him a few tricks from some old holocrons he has (like the blaster bolt freeze and mindreading)
>Rey is the force prodigy daughter of Leia and Han
>She's the phenom of Luke's Academy on Yavin 4 (a friendly old-EU pull like calling the capital world Coruscant in the prequels)
>Ben couldn't find it in him to kill his crying younger sister he's never seen before, but "heard so much about."
>Ben leaves
>Luke finds Rey, dumps her on Jakku so she'll grow up a humble desert life like him

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>>86589541
Depends on the criteria. If you mean disappointment, then yeah TFA is rock bottom bellow the prequels even.

All that money and effort (and talent for the visual stuff) wasted on a remake of ANH, starring a Mary Sue. 1/3 of the new trilogy, pointless and heartless. I can't believe RLM praised this shit.

>>86594244
>All that money and effort (and talent for the visual stuff)
Budget and VFX are meaningless when the director is a hack who doesn't know his head from his ass. The visuals were unimpressive, it was CGI scenes that you can see in any blockbuster or videogame. There isn't even just one scene that is memorable, this movie even fails at being brainless entertainment. There's no fun in watching a planet charging the sun energy or watching dogfights where you don't care about anything because you know the good guys kill all the bad guys in the most easy ways.

>>86594244
Wait for when Rey force lifts Luke's X-wing off the ocean's floor at the end of her training so that she can leave the planet. Confirmed BTW.

>>86594041
For fuck's sake, Rey was on Jakku for fucking YEARS before Kylo even came to be. Ben Solo became Kylo Ren and wrecked Luke's shit only 6 years before TFA.

>>86587867
Instead we got easy-going quips.

I like Boyega as an actor, but Finn isn't a good character at all. The movie doesn't know what it wants out of Finn, and it shows.

>>86589541
I doubt Luke will be evil. It seems more that he's suffering from chronic depression.

I don't mind Luke having that dimension to his personality either, but it's terrible that it stems from him making mistakes identical to the ones Obi-Wan and Yoda made. Luke shouldn't be perfect, but his handling of Kylo feels completely false given where RotJ left him.

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>>86594566
Yeah, and the X-wing has been in salty waters for like 30 years. She lifts starts the engine, doesn't turn on. Proceeds to remove a piece of electronics, I bypassed the compressor and now it can enter lightspeed faster than the Falcon

>>86594707
There is one consistent rule of Star Wars canon: movies over everything, and books get retconned constantly. You cannot depend on them.

>>86595053
Yeah, I chuckled and then I realized that there is very high chance it will be exactly like that.

>>86582837
>Hey you Star Wars fans, you know your hero Luke Skywalker? He is evil now and is in cahoots with Snoke!

>Our new character Rey is much better than him both morally and power wise and you have to deal with it!

So this is guaranteed to make billions more, more than having Luke being good????

& it would be a better story & result to have him be bad????

^Sounds f'n outrageous & wonder how it would be a much better story if Luke is bad.....

>>86585711
>>86592933
the worse thing is these are people who probably arent writers but just read headlines like "Renlo shipping is abusive" and took their cues from tumblr complaints or fanfics

>that's what I've been hearing people want

>>86594764
>I like Boyega as an actor, but Finn isn't a good character at all. The movie doesn't know what it wants out of Finn, and it shows.
It's very unfortunate that he's relegated to the sidekick quipshit role, since there's a lot of potential to his character. There's even the redemption theme to go with.

>>86589541

TFA is literally Mary Sue fanfiction of ANH

It's one of the worst films ever made

It deserves 1 out of 10.

>>86596677
This movie is Rey's adventure in Star Wars land, there isn't any room for any other character than Mary Sue. Even the old cast are just useless spectators in this film. This film is pure fan fiction fantasy written by a 13 years old girl that doesn't know anything about anything.
The question is, does JJ Abrams have the brain of a 13 year old girl?

>>86595206
Rian Johnson was the one who came up with that timeline in the first place. In fact, I think he specifically changed it from Ben Solo being a teen when he turned. So it's his timeline and it hasn't changed.

>>86594764
>I like Boyega as an actor
What has he even done, besides Attack The Block?

>>86597138
>This movie is Rey's adventure in Star Wars land, there isn't any room for any other character than Mary Sue. Even the old cast are just useless spectators in this film. This film is pure fan fiction fantasy written by a 13 years old girl that doesn't know anything about anything.
Imagine the plot and events of Episode IV are a rpg module. A New Hope is a group of gamers playing it perfectly. The Force Awakens is the same module played by the GM's girlfriend.

>>86594764

Finn is literally Jar Jar without the CGI in TFA, ironically.

>>86597495
>The Force Awakens is the same module played by the GM's girlfriend

That's exactly what it is.

Does anyone have a link to that thread that was posted last night?

All the good Star Wars threads are posted on Friday night.

>>86597274
It's not very PC to say he sucks and his overacting was shit. Even if his character is Jar Jar Binks, his acting didn't look good. It felt like Harrison Ford told him how to play the scenes.
The funny faces might work for Ford, not for him.

>>86585711
>More than 50% female
DROPPED

>>86582837
>>86582837 (OP) #
>Hey you Star Wars fans, you know your hero Luke Skywalker? He is evil now and is in cahoots with Snoke!

>Our new character Rey is much better than him both morally and power wise and you have to deal with it!

So this is guaranteed to make billions more, more than having Luke being good????

& it would be a better story & result to have him be bad????
Sounds f'n outrageous & wonder how it would be a much better story if Luke is bad.....

>>86585711

They did the same thing with TFA.

Rey is literally their creation. They admitted it.

JJ is bad, but he's not that bad.

This is why Rey is such a Mary Sue. A group of women wrote her.

>>86592221
Gonna watch a camrip

>>86597274
I just meant that I think he could play a more grounded role well enough, judging from a few moments in TFA. I don't think he's a bad actor, so why waste the character on something so empty?

>>86583356
>hollywood actors choosing not to take millions of dollars for a role they dont like

i dont think so man

>>86592221
I'll end up seeing it with my dad on Christmas. He still likes going to see them even if he falls asleep half way through. I miss when there were movies worth seeing at Christmas like LotR's

>>86582837
>Hey you Star Wars fans, you know your hero Luke Skywalker? He is evil now and is in cahoots with Snoke!

So Luke doesn't care @ all bout his best friend Han Solo???

>>86601264

Leia didn't even care about Chewie, anon.

The main cast are literally all subservient to Rey.

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>>86588809
unaccractive is empowering

>>86601264
>Leia didn't even care about Chewie, anon.

>The main cast are literally all subservient to Rey.

So Luke turning bad is true????

>>86602778

Most likely.

She'll "save him".

If not, then "she'll fix him and he'll see the best course of action due to her insight".

>>86588809
Some women are intimidated by women more attractive than them.

>>86589937
Definitely the latter. I'd rather watch Manos: The Hands of Fate a thousand times than watch Eat, Pray, Love even once.

Who's going to be the main villain in episode 9? I'm assuming they defeat Snoke in this one, so will it be Luke?

>>86604011
>Who's going to be the main villain in episode 9? I'm assuming they defeat Snoke in this one, so will it be Luke?
the cishet patriarchy.

>>86583199
Have Han, Chewie, Luke, and Leia all together again in a group hug. Don't care what else. This will never happen now.

>>86582837
>He is evil now and is in cahoots with Snoke!
You say that like that's a bad thing
Also
>reddit spacing
baka

>>86605028
>So Luke turning bad is true????
Leia force ghost confirmed for Episode IX?

I'm more interested in seeing how they kill off Leia now.

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You guys do know those leaks are horseshit right? Why are you unironically getting upset over a strawmen YOU created?

>>86605088
It is a bad thing. Why do you think that's a good direction for Luke's character?

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>>86605111
>Leia force ghost confirmed for Episode IX?
How could that happen? Leia's not a Jedi. Her only demonstrated Force ability is sensing someone getting hurt or killed.

why does anyone even care about star wars anymore? Its in the hands of the company that shits out 50 marvel movies every year. even if this trilogy turns out decent (unlikely, given ep7) the franchise as a whole will be total shit and everyone will be sick of it in a decade.

>>86582837
He is a symbol of the old Jedi order and a relic of the past. He's there to help make way for the newer generation.

>>86605213
The leaks are proven true

>>86582837
What about Luuuke tho?

Heroes in the prequel trilogy
>Anakin Skywalker (White male)
>Obi-Wan Kenobi (White male)
>Padme Amidala (White female)
>Captain Panaka (Black male)
>Qui-Gon Jinn (White male)
>Jar Jar Binks (Alien male)
>Mace Windu (Black male)
>Yoda (Alien male)

Villains in the prequel trilogy
>Nute Gunray (Alien male)
>Darth Maul (Alien male)
>Zam Wessel (White female)
>Count Dooku (White male)
>Darth Sidious (White male)
>Jango Fett (New Zealand male)
>General Grievous (Cyborg/alien male)

A good ensemble of characters that isn't defined by their race, gender, or even their species.

Now let's look at Nu-Star Wars.

Heroes in Disney Star Wars
>Rey (White female)
>Finn (Black male)
>Poe Dameron (Latino male)
>Jyn Erso (White female)
>Iden Versio (Brown female)

Villains in Disney Star Wars
>Kylo Ren (White male)
>Snoke (White male)
>Captain Phasma (White female)
>General Hux (White male
>Director Krennic (White male)

>3/5 heroes in Disney Star Wars are female
>3/5 heroes in Disney Star Wars are brown
>4/5 villains in Disney Star Wars are male
>All villains in Disney Star Wars are white

Starting to see the pattern (((they))) have set for us? It really makes you think...

>>86583199

It's been thirty years since the death of the Emperor but the fighting has continued ever since. His removal created a power vacuum, and although the rebels were victorious at Endor, the remaining Imperial fleet is still a hundred times larger than the rebel forces. Infighting between Moffs and regional governorships rage on, adding fuel to the fire. Only now, after three decades of fierce civil war, the weary and frail New Republic is finally ready to sign a peace treaty with the consolidated Imperial government, which is likewise prepared to end hostilities and allow for a two state galaxy.

However, one rogue battle group remains, calling themselves the First Order. They are only made up of a few star destroyers with a few thousand troopers. They are led by a fearsome but charismatic older version of General Hux (played by someone like Malcom McDowell). They are battle worn and crazier than most Imperials, and resent their former compatriots for putting aside their war with the rebels. Princess Leia breaks with the Republic after they officially decide that they will not mobilize against such a small force when they are attempting a peace agreement with the Remnant. She forms her own 'Resistance' and stops at nothing to bring them down (bringing character irony in having her act like Darth Vader in the beginning of episode 4, straightforward and militant, while also bending the rules).

Finn still leaves the FO, because he's learned that the group has found ancient plans to build a new weapon. However, unlike the Death Star of old, this weapon takes the form of a hyperspace missile, capable of destroying life on a faraway planet but with scarcely any of the cost of building a giant station.

The movie opens with Leia tracking down a Star Destroyer operating over a planet that has the materials necessary to complete the missile. Her ships attack the Star Destroyer and the opening battle ensues.

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>>86606213
Nice.
I like the idea of using older actors for the First Order leadership.

One idea I had after watching TFA that could be adapted in a rewrite would be to alter Starkiller Base. Instead of absorbing the sun and shooting lasers, it's just an enormous armoured mobile fortress that has the technology to snuff out stars. The Force Order use it to threaten systems into compliance/service.
>Join us or die. Oh you have a massive planetary defense network? lol, np, we'll just turn your sun off. Catch ya later.

I don't know, maybe the idea is kind of hokey, but honestly, planet killers have been done to death in Star Wars, so it's something new. Maybe it could be explained in-universe as being the result of the First Order exploiting a loophole in the New-Republic/Empire-Remnant peace treaty that forbade designing and constructing planet killer weapons. This star killer base was designed as a way to stop super nova's, or dial up, or down a star's intensity in order to make systems more habitable.

>>86606213
Better, but still too close to the OT imo. The only aspects that really matter in Star Wars are the hero's journey and the psychological depth of the light/dark side duality. Fear>anger>hate>suffering (nihilism/rationalized malevolence) is one of the truest axioms pop culture's ever stumbled upon and that should always be the "point" of a star wars story. But the trappings should be as different as you can get away with in order to avoid comparison to the OT. I have some ideas, will post from my PC in a bit

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>>86605756
>Starting to see the pattern (((they))) have set for us? It really makes you think...
So are (((they))) Jews, or are they just >>86585711 clueless empowered women?

>>86582837
He's not evil, he's realized are a failed concept due to their use of the light side.

The Jedi CREATED the Sith by exiling those that were practicing their art in a way they disagreed with and persecuted them. All the great wars via Sith were their responsibility.

And the Jedi WERE WRONG all along as using only the light side is wrong as well. You must be whole and balanced denying no part of the Force. But by exiling them and forbidding any research into the dark side of the force this destroyed proper development of the Force for the Jedi for thousands of years.

"First comes the day
Then comes the night.
After the darkness
Shines through the light.
The difference, they say,
Is only made right
By the resolving of gray
Through refined Jedi sight."

Jedi will no longer fall to the dark side and end up causing intergalactic wars because they'll no longer be a stranger to the dark side, they'll be balanced with both.

>>86608291
>as using only the light side is wrong as well. You must be whole and balanced denying no part of the Force.
Dumb.

>>86605756
>Iden Versio (Brown female)

WTF?HUH?BROWN???

Last time I checked she's East Indian and East Indians are white or olive skinned.....Caucasian or Caucasoid..

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>>86608291
>this is what retarded roastie cunts in charge of "story" development actually believe because they are incapable of grasping or possibly didn't even watch the original trilogy's basic zen philosophizing

How is this not just fanfiction?

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Pretty sure they're going to have Luke realize the balance in the force is accepting dark and light. He utilized the dark side to defeat Vader and his family has a lot of aggressive tendencies. He's a grey jedi.

>>86607828
So, first of all, things have progressed. I actually like a fair amount of where the old EU took it, they just had issues with power creep and the natural too many cooks issues. Luke continued his Jedi education with help from the Force ghosts and took students, many of whom 30+ years on now have their own students, so there's a fledgling new Jedi Order going on. The teachings are much different--I think one of Lucas's main points in his depiction of the old Jedi Order (inasmuch as he had any) was that it had become complacent after a long period of relative peace and was willfully blind to the darker aspects of the force and force users. Which is a good point, albeit poorly executed. The Jedi Order (and the Republic at large) had lost their vision, become blind to evil in their society like Osiris was blind to Set's machinations in the Egyptian myth. (Been watching a lot of Jordan Peterson videos.) I honestly think Lucas is a genius, he just didn't have the instinct artists that have longevity need, to surround yourself with people who challenge and improve you rather than enabling your worst habits. Not an uncommon flaw. Anyway, Luke's teachings reflect the full nature of the Force (humanity), he studies the way the Dark Side operates so he can teach his students (and himself) not to fall under its sway the way his father did. He'd have a family, a reaction against the ascetic traditions of the old Jedi Order, and the Jedi themselves would be much more integrated into society than the old ones were--committed to peace, but not opposed to violence in defense of oneself and others in need, acting as space detectives, adjudicators, advisors, etc. but not joining the New Republic military or anything. (Basically limitless spinoff potential btw.)
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/tv/ will never be intelligent enough to understand Star Wars. These threads continue to prove it.

>>86609802
(cont.)
Speaking of which, the Rebellion would have turned into the New Republic, which has its own issues but is committed to justice, freedom and democracy. Leia would be high up (naturally) and also would have some limited force training ("there is another"). Han would have finally gotten over his trust/commitment issues and would be one of the great heroes (which would make him deeply uncomfortable.) Their kids would be a little older than Luke's (who probably just has one, he'd have been leery of it considering his occupation and family history.) Lando would be high up too, or he could have fallen back into his con man ways for a contrast.

And the Empire would have fallen, there's no way they got so entrenched in 2 decades that they're still THE bad guys. The natural state of human civilization is order--brief periods of chaos are necessary to regulate it but order always returns, and so it would have gone in the SW universe. The Empire-controlled worlds were still Republic people underneath so they'd naturally come back into the fold as soon as they could. There could be pockets of resistance, groups of Empire-fetishist youths, aged Imperial Moffs running their own little North Korea style regimes scattered around the galaxy, which are hard to deal with for the same reasons North Korea is hard to deal with. But overall things would be on the up-and-up.

So, what about the story?

Well, ESB and RotJ demonstrated that a multiple-plotline structure works really well for Star Wars. Something happens in the A story, cut to the B story, something happens, cut back. A story goes a little quiet (Luke meeting and training with Yoda), B story picks up the dramatic slack (evading Imperial pursuit in a broken-down Millenium Falcon, Han and Leia's romance). The key aspect is that we like and care about both stories and they complement each other dramatically. And the prequels operated under this principle, they were just shitty in execution.
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>>86609150
>How is this not just fanfiction?

How dare you call Coldsteel the Jedi fanfiction, how dare you?!
She's cannon and awesome and female, get over it.

>>86610578
>coldsteel the Jedi

I am stealing this

>>86605756
>Iden Versio (Brown female)

HUH???Brown?????Man, this anonymous poster don't know SHIT.

Might be closet racist.......

>>86585354

>a movie where the bad guys use outdated guns and don't have space magic and they manage to be a massive threat regardless due to their skills and military experience

That could be interesting, if a little too weird for most star war people.

>>86585791
>at the end of ROTJ, Leia knows she has the potential to be a Jedi
>30 years later, she hasn't done jack shit to pursue that course
>some horse-faced cunt picks up a lightsaber and becomes a formidable jedi in 5 minutes
bravo Disney

>>86611128
>a little too weird for most star war people.
But most star wars people like Grand Admiral Thrawn, who is basically what he seems to be describing in a nutshell. While he wasn't outright opposed to working with Force users, he was very skeptical of them and had countermeasures ready in case they turned against him.

>>86610362
(cont.)
I've got a few ideas for plotlines. I'm thinking three stories in parallel: the Jedi/ Force story, the political/diplomatic/military intrigue, and a new story to both set things up for future installments and give it that hero's journey foundation that made the originals work so well.
>Luke is on some sort of Jedi vision quest and detects some inscrutable evil growing in a distant corner of the galaxy (alternatively just hears about some nasty Force-related shit going on, or even an absence of the Force) and checks it out with his son/daughter (a gifted but untested Jedi Knight) and a few other Jedi buddies
>Leia and Han and their friends in the Republic are trying to figure out what to do about one of those North Korea-type star systems that's threatening to do something major and seems serious this time. Their kids (3 of them I think) are probably overprotected as a consequence of having such famous parents and want to step out of their shadow. Some or all are probably force sensitive
>A brainwashed stormtrooper kid in space-North Korea has a Force-fueled moral awakening (suddenly he can feel the suffering of others and it trips the programming, what they sort of started to do with Finn before quickly abandoning it for comic relief), tries to resist but find himself driven to try to change things, loses people he cares about, gets caught up in stories A and B somehow. Maybe down the line he could be a love interest for Luke's or Han and Leia's daughter? Anyway, this is the emotional core of the film
I'm thinking there's some kind of conspiracy between either secret Sith, wayward force sensitive kids who found Sith teachings (redemption potential) or vehement anti-Force nihilists (more complicated, think Kreia from KOTOR 2, or communists) who've found some way to suppress it, and Grand Moff Kim, which serves to unite the three stories by the end of the film.

>>86611192
Leia was the perfect opportunity for them to expand on the Force and the qualities that a Jedi can embody. Being a trained and experienced diplomat and leader, Leia could use the Force to aid in negotiations, understanding opposing points of view, and uniting vying factions: Very important challenges that needed to be overcome during the reunification of the Galaxy after the fall of the Empire. She could demonstrate that being a Jedi involves more than just fighting with a light saber and using telekinesis, or being a weird recluse monk.

>>86611264
(cont.)
The main thing would be making sure you didn't try to squeeze too much into the plot, considering there's 3 stories going. A good screenwriter could pull it off and have each movie end on a satisfying beat while setting up the next one. 1980 Lawrence Kasdan certainly could've. Something like this could've been true to the OT, while still fresh and great in its own right, avoiding easy comparison. Instead we got corporate trash with no soul. Thanks Kathleen and Co.

thanks for reading my blog

>>86605756
>Iden Versio (Brown female)

WTF?BROWN??????

Last time I checked she's East Indian and East Indians are white or olive skinned.....Caucasian or Caucasoid.

>>86609150
>this is what retarded roastie cunts in charge of "story" development actually believe because they are incapable of grasping or possibly didn't even watch the original trilogy's basic zen philosophizing

>How is this not just fanfiction?

Is that the summer sam killer of NYC in 1970s??? Surprised no one knew wtf that monster is, then again there is too much millenials in here.....

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>>86582837
Luke could never be bad, take it back OP

>>86611518
triggered lu?

>>86583199
First and foremost, the Resistance should have been the imperial remnant faction opposing the upstart new Republic. The First Order should have been Kylo's separatist knights that have renounced the Jedi ways and have chosen to take a different path than Luke (who wishes not to be involved in galactic politics, non-violence is his goal as it was at the end of his character arc in RotJ). It would first appear that the FOrder supports the Resistance, but the knights of Ren are merely using the galactic conflict to achieve an ulterior motive.

>>86609368
RotJ has Luke completely rejecting the Dark Side and needless aggression. He isn't gray.

I don't care because thanks to Disney I finally grew out of Star Wars. About time already.

>>86583031
Remember that this was handpainted by some Chinese woman who lives on an extremely low wage and spends most of her week inside a factory, sleeping on the floor, using boxes as a pillow, working almost like a slave. She will never have the time or money to actually watch Star Wars Episode 8.

If you like the ideaof grey jedi then you are literally retarded.

>>86611790
>triggered?

WTF??? Stop making shit up.... No offense but are you as stupid and (excuse word) retarded as that anonymous poster who thinks some actress is "brown"???????

>>86585711
Why did men ever allow women to get a position of power? I mean I assume there was a time when men were in control of pretty much anything and that it must have been a man or men's decision to let women into positions of power. How did this happen?
Also note that women's sex appeal couldn't have been a part of this (I imagine) since women in positions of power are hardly ever attractive.

>>86609150
>this is what retarded roastie cunts in charge of "story" development actually believe because they are incapable of grasping or possibly didn't even watch the original trilogy's basic zen philosophizing

>How is this not just fanfiction?

Is that picture the summer sam killer of NYC in 1970s??? Surprised no one knew wtf that monster is, then again there is too much millenials in here.....

I don't buy the Evil Luke theory

Why is he evil? What happened?

Why is he in exile then? If he's so powerful that he can control Snoke and nobody can touch him, then he has no reason to do all of this sneaky plotting. He could just kill his enemies.

If he didn't want to be found at all, why did he leave a fucking map in the first place?

it doesn't add up

>>86612922
It's either that or you're a mexican that thinks he's white.

>>86612976
>Why
Have you seen TFA? "Why" is not a question you are allowed to make, there is no answer to why anymore, nothing makes sense in Disney Star Wars.
They deleted the fragile pseudo consistency of the EU to create something purely inconsitent.

>>86601650
>photoshop
lol if only you can make an entire game in photoshop

>female lead is not a 10/10
go to pornhub or instagram if you need to fap

>>86613033
I'm pretty sure they could easily tweak the model to look like the photoshop one though.
You know, like in games like The Sims where you can manually reshape a face by moving some sliders.

>>86613031
Yeah I guess those are just good questions for another time.

I'm sure they'll write a book explaining it that 20 people will read.

If Luke really was evil I doubt Hamil would be so butthurt about what they did with the character. That dude always wanted Luke to go to the dark side.

>>86613113
Exactly. I read somewhere that they didn't plan out the entire trilogy yet and they are writing it as it goes. It might be just rumors but it sounds like something they would do (for example, under the excuse that "george lucas did that too with the OT" even if he didn't "exactly" do that).

>>86613057
oh of course they could make her look more attractive but you gamers really need to get used to not always having your sexual fantasies catered to. and this kind of mindset imo is the ruination of the industry. you fags care too much about graphics and your superficial preferences over gameplay and content

>>86613192
So Luke is either
>straight up evil
or
>a broken down and shamed man who's lost his fire, and most likely will be saved by Rey's youthful spirit

there's not much winning with those choices

>>86613244
well didn't you notice they reverted han solo as well to being a smuggler running around the galaxy too? the only one who maintained her dignity was leia

>>86613217
I'm not a gamer!
I agree with you, they shouldn't make her conventionally attractive just to please gamers, it just leads to them being so square and simple minded that they can't think of women otherwise.
I personally only care about gameplay and I haven't enjoyed almost any game made after 2008 (maybe because of turning into an adult) except for some indie games made by friends of mine.

>>86613215
Yeah they've been open about changing things on the fly. It was up to how TFA was received, they had several different directions they could go in depending on what worked and what didn't.

>>86613297
having attractive characters is fine but it goes overboard when these pathetic shits bitch and complain anytime a character isn't 10/10 perfection for their sexual preferences.

>>86585711
what was even the point of getting Rian in that case. I get JJ because he has no vision in the first place, but why waste the time getting someone as talented as Rian only to put him on a very short leash.

>>86613288
They should have gone further with Han being a big-time hauler now. Giving him that new ship was good, should have given him a huge crew that looked up to him instead of the tentacle monsters.

I could buy that he got divorced from Leia and started his own big-time shipping company and was the boss of several other small-time smugglers. At least that would be some kind of growth. Also could have changed his clothing style over 30 years.

>the only one who maintained her dignity was leia
And only barely. Nobody in the New Republic believed her, considered her a militant, and kicked her ass out once they figured out she was Vader's daughter so she was kind of a disgraced radical too.

>>86613288
Leia was broken too, she hugged a girl she just met over an old friend after an ex lover died

>>86613443
Just pretend wookies don't like to be hugged when they are mourning. Damnit, TFA required a fuck ton of mental gymnastics to ignore its plotholes.

Looks like Maz Kanata was so poorly received we'll never see her again. Haven't heard a single word about her appearing in TLJ.

>>86613580
Well she's just an orange with huge eyes.

>>86613580
Didn't she die?

>>86613662
In the original script of TFA she was supposed to follow them to the resistance base after her castle gets blown up, but they cut those scenes because they were having a hard time getting anything decent out of Lupita Nyongo

I think she is supposed to have survived just off-camera

I think one of TFA's biggest problems were the battles were lackluster, and this sin't an unpopular opinion either.

There is a poll going on by StarWars.com about the best battles and none of TFA battles break anything by the OT, R1 or the Prequels aside from the Battle of Naboo

Regardless of what you think about R1, the battle of Scarif was great

I love how the Empire said "fuck it" and did the SW equivalent of nuking the area

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>>86582837
They would.

>>86583199
>This thread is now about how you would have re-written TFA.

Stick with George's original idea about the antagonists being a federation of Space Pirates that are claiming territory because of the power vacuum left by Empire/Rebels mutually weakening eachother

>Han is an Admiral protecting against pirate attacks because he knows how they think
>Leia is nearing the end of her esteemed political career and facing pressure to step down. She refuses because she can sense there's something bigger going on
>Luke is training Han and Leia's kids - son and daughter
>Finn is already part of Crimson Corsair's crew (instead of just almost joining him for 2 seconds then deciding not to)
>Poe is the New Republic's best ace pilot, not much to change about him. He's fiercely loyal to Leia and looks up to Han.
>It's revealed that the First Order/Imperial Remnants have been hiding in the shadows using the Pirates to fight a proxy war and keep the New Republic occupied because they're not strong enough yet
>Finn defects to New Republic once he realizes this

>>86613787
> love how the Empire said "fuck it" and did the SW equivalent of nuking the area
Remember it was also probably a contingency by Tarkin to make sure all the data was destroyed - aka proof that Krennick was the real brains behind the death star.

>>86614246
Oh I forgot

>First Order power structure is Snoke at the top with Hux being his Tarkin
>The new darkside lightsaber user (got to have one) is PHASMA. Why not? Give her a red lightsaber to go with that cape and chrome armor. She's Snoke's muscle.

>>86613787
There were no stakes. The pilots talk like they're playing a video game and we only know one of them anyway and don't particularly care about him. Han does goofy shit like shooting people without looking at them and trying out Chewie's bowcaster. (Really? They've been bros for like 50 years, presumably having countless crazy adventures and there has not been A SINGLE SITUATION in which Han picked up Chewie's bowcaster and used it to shoot a guy?) It's painfully obvious nobody we know is at any risk of being hurt or dying until they get to a certain story beat (at which point it's equally obvious what's going to happen.) We didn't know anyone on those worlds the Super Death Star blew up. Nothing matters, it's just window dressing. Absolute garbage.

At least R1 was better, you knew people were probably going to die, you sort of cared and the action scenes were actually decently directed. Still just ok though