Better than the book?

No.

>>86566271
The ending is.

I love the comic, but sudden surprise giant octopus is fucking stupid.

Doctor Manhattan taking the blame makes way more sense.

>>86566271
Not even close plebbit. Time to go back now

>>86566405
This is the most reddit opinion.

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>>86566271
>>86566354
>>86566405
>>86566407
Daily reminder only /co/ and r*ddit hates Snyder's Watchmen because of "MUH COOOOOOOOMIC"
Biggest nu-males ever, just laugh at them.

>>86566467
yeah but my friends who don't read comics (or anything really) still complain about it

There's more to it fag

>>86566271
the ending is better

>>86566457
Nice way to refute me. Ironically, dismissing an opinion so willfully as you did is exactly what Reddit is built on.

>>86566467
It's a good movie, way better than it has any right to be.

The comic is just better over all... Except the ending

>>86566467
Why does one preferring the objectively superior comic make them a nu-male?

>>86566560
>>86566564
>>86566586
t. moore

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FUCK no

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>>86566625
see pic related

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>>86566675
Settle down there, r*ddit

>>86566586
The squid is foreshadowed multiple times and is much more sensible as a solution to end Cold War tensions. The world allying against a hostile alien race makes sense. The world allying against Manhattan doesn't make sense. Making him the foil was just a half-baked way to make the ending more easily digestible for plebs.

>>86566688
>links to a discussion about an unrelated movie

What did he mean by this?

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>>86566739
Snyder certainly isn't talentless, he cuts a mean fucking trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wglmbroElU0

>>86566837
>le random outer space squid out of fucking no where is acceptable
>nite owl and rorschach being stronger is not

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>>86566675
Wow, it's been so long since I watched the flick, I forgot about this. How could they fuck up something so important? For fuck's sake, it's literally the cover of the comic.

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>>86566837
The point Moore was making was that the only way to put the madness of global conflict into perspective is to match it with something even more absurd and irrational, it's his Catch 22 moment, I guess

>>86566890
Unironically the greatest trailer of all time. The movie was alright too.

>>86566675
>>86566960
>blood is a pixel off
>GRAUUUUUUUUUUUGH I CANT FUCKING WATCH THIS FLICKKKKKKK FUCK YOU PLEBES!!!1111 WHERES MY LEDDIT GOLD

>>86566837
The point is for the world to rally against a common enemy though (as opposed to fighting themselves into nuclear Armageddon). So I don't see how fighting against Manhattan seems egregious in that sense. If they truly believed he lost it, why would they?

The problem I have with the squid is just how silly it seems. It's foreshadowed, sure, but that doesn't excuse how dumb it is.

With Manhattan it's more believable. He has the means and the will to do it. He's been acting strange prior to it anyway, so you can believe people reading into his actions (like screaming during the interview, and fucking off to Mars).

>>86566960
The answer is that Snyder isn't very smart. He carried over all the cool one liners, the jokes, the iconic scenes, and recreated the visuals meticulously, but he didn't understand the book or its themes fully, if at all.

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>>86566947
>>le random outer space squid out of fucking no where is acceptable

It's not out of nowhere, what are you even talking about? It's literally the focal point of the comic, since The Comedian died after discovering the facility where they made it.

>>nite owl and rorschach being stronger is not

One of the key themes of the comic is the deconstruction of the superhero, and the fact that the heroes aren't all that super is a pretty dang important element.

>>86566675
That's not even where 11 is.

>>86567154
>It's literally the focal point of the comic, since The Comedian died after discovering the facility where they made it.

The comedian is more sickened and disgusted by the plan he's uncovered that will whipe out millions of people. You can still have that thread and lose the dumb squid shit

>>86567187
learn to read

>>86566271
did the lousy book have 2 animated porno scenes that made my dick hard? no, didn't think so..

I watched this with no knowledge about the comic and I liked all the fictional elements with rorschach and comedian but the parts with discount batman, badass girl, and blueman were really shitty and I didn't like the fantasy type elements

>>86566271
I don't know; I can't read

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>>86567082
I agree that it's silly, but that's kinda the point. Watchmen doesn't just deconstruct superhero tropes; it parodies them. It's like Nite Owl's costume. Many have complained about how silly it looks, while never asking why it looks so silly in the first place. Hence, we get the sterile Batman-ripoff costume in the movie. It's flashy, it's menacing, and it's completely meaningless.

>>86567274
Not at all.

>>86567187
>nearing the 11th hour

>>86567320
They aren't supposed to mesh well together, that's why they are ultimately killed or retire anyway. Did you even watch the fucking movie?

>>86567274
My point remains that it doesn't come out of nowhere. It's foreshadowed throughout the comic, and it makes enough sense in the comic's universe.

>>86567367
>>86566675
11th hour of what?

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>>86567320
Part of that is the fact that the casting for Rorschach and The Comedian was excellent. The other cast members, not so much.

>>86567440
The 11th hour on the Doomsday Clock

>>86567343
>I agree that it's silly, but that's kinda the point. Watchmen doesn't just deconstruct superhero tropes; it parodies them.

I get it, and I understand the reasoning behind it. I just don't like it I guess. It's too much "Adam West's Batman" for me. And I know, a fantastical element in a movie about people who are essentially Gods or demi-gods is maybe a moot point, but here we are.

I still don't like it.

>>86567409
there's a difference between seeing and understanding character conflict and then feeling the movie itself is not cohesive, buddy

>>86567048
It's less that the splat is pointing in the wrong direction, and more that the filmmakers clearly didn't understand that the smiley is supposed to be a clock, with the splat resembling an arrow hand. In the movie it's just a splat. They missed the symbolism entirely.

it's a good film
better than marvel's shit
as a guy who don't care about the comic before it's a solid 8/10

>>86566271
It's a cinematic achievement that's for sure. It's retarded to stack comics against movies.

>>86567524
nice reddit spacing, reddit

>>86566271
No, but one of the better films to motivate normies to read the source material

>>86567499
Fair enough, but what you essentially are saying is that you don't like that the comic commits to the absurdity and silliness of superheroes to make a point, and that you prefer them to be depicted as badass and cool like they're "supposed" to be. I bear you no ill will, anon, but I think that's a pleb opinion.

>>86566405
The ending is worse because its cheaper and makes less sense in terms of the progression of the dystopian society it's trying to portray. It's also completely the destroys the point of dr manhattan.

>>86566405
The alien gives the world a perceived real threat from space and pushes society into a new space age and toward utopian thinking. This is one of the big themes of the story.

The movie does none of that. The 'Dr Manhattan did it LOL' is extremely shallow and would only make sense if you haven't read the story.

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>>86567653
True. I didn't know about the comic before the flick came out. I live in Europe, and the only superheroes we read about are treasure-hunting ducks and potion-drinking Gauls. I thought the flick was kinda cool, picked up the comic, was blown away by how good it was, and never looked back on the flick again.

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>>86566675
They literally dropped blood on hundreds of buttons. You can't physically make it splatter in that arrow shape. The symbolism is still there because it's in the same spot.

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>>86567931
The book is unfilmable, it simply covers too many themes and ideas. Even as a Moore fan I'd say it's too dense, bloated and self-indulgent for its own good. But I wouldn't change a thing.

>>86567512
See>>86568014

>>86566675
>If the blood isn't perfectly shaped like the hand of a clock that means it doesn't represent the hand of a clock
Come on

>>86567524
I'd say 7/10

Not that I'm trying to shit on it. A 7 to me is a solid "good"

It's not fantastic, but it's not dogshit either, and it's better than mediocre. So just plain "good"

My biggest complaint is how bloated it is over all. In trying to cram in so much from such a dense comic, it often bogs the movie down with lots of exposition and rushed scenes.

That's all fine if the movie has a good flow, but that's not always the case. Watchmen often gets bogged down as fuck in trying to have it's cake and eat it.

On the good side is they got the casting dead on. The Comedian, Dr. Manhattan, Rorschach... All amazing performances. And bloating issues aside, it's impressive how close the movie manages to stick to the main theme of the comic, and how much of manages to explore it.

>>86567048
>DONT PROVE ME WRONG SNYDER IS THE PUREST KINO MAKER FUCK YOU ALL REEEEE
I come to /tv/ to laugh at retarded posts like this one.

>>86568014
>they had to add clock hands to make the symbolism work

Your defense of this artistic decision sickens me.

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>>86568126
>they got the casting dead on

I'm enjoying the Watchmen motion comic as we speak.

>>86568238
Good point.

Most of the cast then.

You're right though, Movie Ozymandias was way too much of a skinny twink.

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>>86567494
>>86567154
>>86568141
>>86568238
>>86568309
snyderchads >>> moorevirgins

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>>86568126
>they got the casting dead on.

>>86568339
I liked her. I wanted to fugg her

I like the Watchmen movie as a fanservice thing, even if Snyder didn't understand the source material it's still an entertaining watch.

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>>86568091
>Even as a Moore fan I'd say it's too dense, bloated and self-indulgent for its own good. But I wouldn't change a thing.

I agree with this sentiment. I love the comic, but he really threw in everything and the kitchen sink, and yet I love all of it. What could you trim off, without mutilating the final product? The Manhattan chapter? The Rorschach chapter? The Black Freighter comic? It's all so meaningful and important.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGCIreIyyYg&t
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>>86568398
Her performance was awful, and she was too young. Silk Spectre II is supposed to be a jaded, aging woman, not prime pussy with kicks and flips.

>>86568339
The visual accuracy of the movie and attention to detail was utterly fucking mindblowing, Snyder deserves credit for that. But he failed to deliver Watchmen's themes and values on the big screen because his appreciation of the book was superficial at best.

>>86568517
>The visual accuracy of the movie and attention to detail was utterly fucking mindblowing
>>86568238
lol

>>86568332
No amount of memespeak is going to change how trash the flick is, familia.

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>>86568508
>>86568547
>>86568581
its inherently and objectively a masterpiece and the only counter-arguments i've seen are that its "NOT MUH BOOK" from /co/mblrs

>>86567440
>>86567496
It's not even the 11th hour fags.

Midnight symbolizes nuclear war. The world has been at 15 minutes to since the bomb was created. It's the minute hand getting closer.

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>>86568014
They fumbled one of the cleverest and most iconic comic book icons. I'm guessing it was less because it was impractical to recreate and more because they simply didn't get it. The blu ray cover seems like a 'whoops, guess we didn't catch that' moment, in addition to ham-fistedly screwing it up even more
>>86568547
ok yeah he was shit

>>86566271
No.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu8l0q4rgcg

>>86568238
Fun Fact: Ozy's suit was a parody of Clooney's Batman suit

>>86568339
>>>86568126
>>they got the casting dead on.
Although they butchered alot of the costumes, I wanted to fuck SS in the movie with all that latex hmmmmm

>>86566271
Just like GoT, then.

Never change, /tv.

>>86569306
I don't really dig Kermode but he was on point with that

>>86569306
Kermode is totally right here. I don't hate Snyder but he is the definition of style over substance

>>86567082
Because it's meant to be the "other" that draws humanity together. Something completely alien. Manhattan, as far beyond humanity as he is, was still a human creation. A US creation at that. Him going rogue would just make other countries assume the US was finally making a power play with their man-made god and launch all of their nukes in retort. Having Manhattan being the threat should logically result in the opposite outcome from what Ozymandias was aiming to accomplish.

>>86569760
Thanks exclusive dvd bonus track

>>86566271
No
But it's the best adaptation of Watchmen from a major studio/director for a widescale audience that we can hope for

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>>86566271
Graphic novel:
>A whole chapter is spent on dissecting Rorschach's mind, where the therapist is the protagonist. We see that Rorschach slowly exposes his mind bit by bit, as the therapist becomes warped from the exposure to true human darkness. It's a Nietzschean fable with a bleak and twisted conclusion.

Movie:
>Pretty butterfly, lol.

>>86572237
>this 2edgy teenager dialogue
Pretty cringe desu.

>>86572611
No, edgy would be saying that Rorschach did nothing wrong. To call Rorschach a dark and nihilistic character is just a fact, familia.

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>>86566271
>"My coat, my shoes, my spotless gloves."
>gloves are actually spotless

WTF Snyder

>>86566675
Pure autism

>>86567931
>The movie does none of that. The 'Dr Manhattan did it LOL' is extremely shallow and would only make sense if you haven't read the story.
Not to mention it's full of holes too. The whole point of the alien octopus was to unite the Americans and Soviets in setting aside their differences to fight a common unknown factor. Dr. Manhattan was hardly an unknown factor. He was an agent for the U.S. Government and his apparent betrayal could've easily been misconstrue as a defection.

>>86573090
i've been saying this for 10 years but the retards on this sub reddit can't get it

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>>86566271
Comic:
>Silk Spectre pines for The Comedian, despite the fact that he raped her and abused her. Her longing for him is fundamentally irrational. Love is depicted as a brutal force of nature, instead of happy endings with flowers and princes.

Movie:
>"I don't hate The Comedian because he gave me the most beautiful daughter in the world." AWWWWWW.

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>>86566271
Comic:
>Ozymandias, a man blessed with great abilities and cursed with even greater ambition, condemns his own soul to save mankind. He knows he did more than anyone else ever could to save humanity, but his shadow stands taller than his body. In the end, he sees the faces of all the people he sacrificed, and knows in his heart that he has paved his path to Hell with his good intentions.

Movie:
>"lol, I'm just gonna stand here and take a beating from Dan in slow-motion. I'm evil, you know."

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>>86566405
The squid is foreshadowed rather heavily however, which is surprising, considering it still came as a shock. In the book, the ending panels have the most graphic violence in the entire novel, while in the film, we've seen people explode into meat too many times, and the ending doesn't hit the same tone. Props to Snyder for the rest of it though t b h

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>>86569306
the chad movie reviewer

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>>86572237
>>86573090
>>86573252
>>86573507
cringe
what are you trying to prove? that youre "le 2 smart for le movie"?

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>>86573619

>>86566271
The comic book? You dont have to call comics comic book, they aren't real books.

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>>86573777
>asks if the movie is better than the comic
>posters point out why the comic is better than the movie
>"you think you're better than me, >tips fedora, my feet hurt"

>>86573777
Everything touched by Snyder attracts retards like yourself. He totally botched the casting and characterisation of Ozymandias, thereby ruining the ending as well.

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>>86573896
none of that made sense whatsoever
please return to r*ddit /co/ralineposter

>>86573777
They're trying to prove that rape is king

>>86573777
>>86573959
>Pepe reaction pics
Opinion discarded.

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>>86573949
nothing tastes better than the salty tears of mad butthurt moorefags
go worship your snake god somewhere else

>>86572907
Sorry Mrs Snyder

>>86573949
Snyder is probably a Rorschach fanboy, and didn't really care about Ozy. Don't get me wrong, Rorschach is great, but too many plebs like him just because they see him as nothing more than a brutal Batman with an ink mask.

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>>86574007
>being triggered by a frog
perhaps 9gag is your cup of tea?

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>>86573959
>none of that made sense whatsoever

No wonder you prefer the dumbed down movie over the more cerebral comic. You can't even comprehend 4chan posts and greentexting.

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>>86573777
>I feel threatened when people are able to think

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>>86574159
>anime reaction image
So bookfags are /co/mblrs...

>>86574057
Sorry I'm not a Nazi who runs over whales.

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>>86574021
>likes a movie that's a dumbed down, abridged version of an Alan Moore comic
>doesn't like Alan Moore

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>>86574176
Agreed! We should totally look into this beautiful comic novel by Alan Moore and dump the bible! Do you also enjoy Rick & Morty?

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>>86573619

>>86573777
I've never meant this so much before
dumb frogposter

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>>86574245
he's an overrated comic book hack who most likely has aspergers and is worshipped by every corner of r*ddit and began a new era of nu-males and pathetic fedora tippers
his only work that was good was that abandoned "Twilight of the Superheroes" script

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>>86574215
>"bookfags"
>actually looks down on reading

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>>86574260
The bible is harry potter/star wars from 2000 years ago and only millennials enjoy back to the future family guy

>>86574342
Very well, but why do you like the Watchmen movie then? It's a very direct, although horribly botched, adaption of an Alan Moore comic.

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>>86574342
why don't you like reddit

>>86566405
>sudden surprise giant octopus is fucking stupid.
It isn't if you got what Moore was trying to tell us about Ozymandias, and once you re-read it you realize it's not "sudden surprise" but that it was actually set up and foreshadowed all along the book, with elements that are kept in the movie but have absolutely no payoff later.
The most obvious, and the one that works as a perfect example of Snyder's superficial approach to the themes, is Bubastis who makes absolutely no fucking sense in the movie.
Second, and more glaring, The Comedian's reason to go mad. Why would he go mad? What was the point of the island and what did he see there that was so shocking?

>>86574342
>he's an overrated comic book hack
t. butthurt superhero fan

>>86573777
>OP asks if movie is superior to comic
>anon directly compares comic to movie to prove that comic is superior
>"what are you even trying to prove"

So this is the power of capeshit.

>>86566405
The reason a giant space octopus was used is because mankind needed something to unite it as a species. There needed to be a common enemy amongst all of the warring nations for them to come together in the face an unknown external threat and bring about peace between the civilizations.

Dr. Manhattan is an agent of America. Even if he went rogue, the blame would still be partially leveled at America. It accomplishes nothing.

>>86566405
I thought Doc Manhattan taking the blame would eventually lead to the United States being blammed for creating and harboring him for as long as they did.

>>86566467
if you have any feelings towards this comic book or the movie one way or another you're a nu-male
thats just a quick FYI for you from a bonafide chad

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>>86566675
>>86566890
>>86567154
>>86572237
>>86573619

>>86570224
>style over substance
You are the definition of a clueless twat