Why did they make Smaug a wyvern /tv/?

>>86475898
whats the difference?

Lazy animators.

Because of people like the first post.

>>86475898
Reminder that no one cares and anyone who make dragon/wyvern discussion have fucking autism.

Smaug was barely a dragon in the books too though, he was more like a snake with limbs and wings, nowhere near as bulky as lotrfags tend to make him out to be.

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>>86475963
>>86475926
confirmed for normie scum that doesn't even bother with fantasy

>>86476022
you still didn't answer the question about their differences fag.

If you watch the appendices its because they wanted him to look unique or something like that. They didn't want him to just look like a dragon so they made the changes they did.

The biggest one being adding the front legs in the original design and the first run of the first movie he only has 2 legs and looks different (hes shown really quick in the prologue)

>Hobbit - wyvern

>GoT - wyvern

>Skyrim - wyvern

what do the most relevant fantasy products of this day have against actual dragons?

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>>86475926
Dragons have 4 legs + wings, Wyverns only have hind legs and use their wings as forelimbs.

Because it's better

>this made up creature is factually incorrect

Jesus Christ go out and get laid already

>>86475898
Smaug was cool and his scene with Bilbo was the last alright scene of the trilogy.

>>86476273
There is no real life inspiration to for dragons. CGI should have opened unlimited potential for freeing the animation, but far too many people depend on mocap.

>>86476530
what a shitty argument, just because the genre is fantasy doesn't mean it shouldn't have its own rules

>>86476620
until the scooby doo chase

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>>86475898
notice how he was drawn on the map.
he originally had six limbs till late in production, then the design team had to go back and change everything when Peter Jackson decided he should only have two legs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Auv2vFlmB0U

>>86475898
>Breathes fire? Check
>Flies? Check
>Reptilian? Check
>Intelligent? Check
>Hoards gold? Check

He meets all the dragon requirements. Just because they wanted to make Smaug more biologically plausible doesn't mean it's a fuckup, OP.

>>86476273
Because four limbs+wings look retarded

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>>86477207
>i-i-it's not a fuck up b-b-because I said so!

>>86477207
It's actually less plausible having 4 limbs and 2 wings, because of how evolution werks

>>86475898
why the fuck does it matter? Wyverns look cooler imo anyway, maybe that's why

>>86476022
leave the basement at least once/week anon...

>>86477171
isn't that the map that was literally drawn by Tolkien for the boom though?

>>86477207
he meets only the wyvern requirements

>>86477207
>Just because they wanted to make Smaug more biologically plausible

They didn't. Watch the Behind the Scenes shit for The Hobbit, Hackson changed it on a fucking whim at the last second.

>>86477424
>le basement face
Shit argument also your shit taste isn't an argument either.

>>86477236
It looks vastly superior you fucking charlatan.

>>86477344
>What
>are
>birds

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>>86477443
no, but similar. this is from the first UK edition/first impression printed in 1937. though tbqh I don't know if it was originally drawn by Tolkien or added later by someone else.

>>86475898
The CGI department doesn't know how to animate something with 6 limbs, they have no animals to reference and aren't creative enough to do it from scratch.

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Why does the /v/eddit army think Dungeons and Dragons gets to define what a dragon is?

>>86475898
Wyvern's are dragons

the term you are looking for is Wyrmn which has no legs, but Smaug has legs so he is not a Wyrmn

>>86477812
wrong. they in fact did twice the amount of work because they originally designed it as having six limbs before having to redo the bone structure and animations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Auv2vFlmB0U

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>All these fantasylets don't know what a real Dragon looks like
Here's it, from Tolkien himself.

>>86475898
He was apparently too hard to move with four limbs and wings so they just combined them as well as cut off his balls

>>86475898
Would you rather have a brontosaurus with wings?
Smaug is the greatest of calamities not a dopey winged dinosaur.

>>86475926
What's the difference he says

>>86475898
>Muh realism
Despite the fact that there are no dragons or elfs or orcs, etc.

>>86477654
What fucking bird has 4 limbs + wings you tard?

>>86478182
That wouldn't make anyone giggle.

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>>86478289
They could also mean realistic as in "how Dragons are portrayed in real life", rather than trying to appeal to people who are historically illiterate. A two legged dragon also looks better in flight than one with four legs, unless they're tiny little things.

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Why did these people portray dragons with only two legs? Did they never play Dungeons and Dragons!?

>>86475898
This Smug motherfucker vs a GoT dragon
Who wins in a 1v1 ?

>>86477860
>banner has a wyvern in it
>anon claims that it's a dragon

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>>86478457
The Anglo-Saxon Dragon banner is believed to be derived from the Roman "Draco" standard, born by a Draconarius. I guess Draco was the Latin word for Wyvern.

>>86476273
Harder to animate.

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>>86478366
Here have another one.

>>86478182
>R u frustrated

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How do you think this Dragon's hind legs fell off?

>>86478451
Smaug has gorillion of years of experience over them. Also it's hyper intelligent unlike the dumb beasts in GoT.

Because there isn't an animal in the history of existence to have 4 limbs and functional wings. It's dumb and only wyverns make sense.

>>86475898
>>86475926
>>86476022
For the same reason chimps and niggers are in the same taxonomy; apes.

>>86478705
They're tucked in

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Was Saint George a liar? I notice in depictions of him, he often slays a beast, but it doesn't have 4 legs, so it clearly isn't a dragon.

>>86478696
kek

Because dragons are physically impossible to fly, their bodies are too heavy and their wings to small and weak and we can unconsciously understand that. Now wyverns look more like creatures we know (birds, bats, pterosaurs) and we see they can fly so it makes more sense
also wyverns look better

>>86478748
Prehistoric bats of Madagascar. Do some research before you open your mouth

>>86478778
church retconned depictions of dragons to make them look weak and pathetic, because nothing can cause awe except God or some shit
I'm serious btw, they had strict rules about not showing a dragon that's mighty

>>86478811
Link reputable source or fuck right off.

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>>86478778
Like, seriously, whitevyrn people need to stop appropriating dragon culture.

>>86478182
is he trying to blow himself?

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out of my way wyvern fucking shits

>>86478840
>Retconned
How did they do that to ancient Greek and Roman dragons
( >>86478705 , >>86478564) ?

>>86478944
fake news aimed at smearing dragons

>>86478670
this desu
easier to just copy a bat or something

>>86476360
>>86476022
>if DnD says so then it must be true!

dungeons and dragons really ruined fantasy settings

>>86479316
>waaaah classification is bad!
die

>>86477315
>>86477479

"muh two legs"

I thought this was a meme, but holy fuck there are actually people hung op on this

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>>86477236
wow u r a dumb lmao

>>86479457
wow, that's a nice answer.
that guy should be a writer.

>>86479316
This fucking post holy shit.

>>86477424
Don't care about the autists who claim that dragons and wyverns have a difference that isn't relaiant on the setting but in all of Tolkien's illustrations smaug had 6 limbs

What does Smaug eat?

>>86479998
tolkien was hack, see >>86480023

>>86478859
>needs a chick to hold it down so he can kill it
medieval murals have taught me that St. George was the most chickenshit faggot ever

>>86475898
Because Skyrim came out
Not even memeing

In the first movie, Smaug had 4 legs
You can see it in the intro scene. Quite clearly 4 legs and 2 wings.
Then in between the first movie and the next Skyrim came out. And then market researchers were like "SYNERGY WE NEED CROSS PROMOTIONAL MULTI-MEDIA SYNERGY" and producers who are dazzled by buzzwords forced Jackson to change it.

>>86475926
Two completely different species of creatures in human mythological folklore.

It would be like basing a movie off of Bram Stoker's Dracula, but the actual character of Dracula is played by someone in a werewolf suit.

>>86480023
gold you retard

>>86480206
so it's like the difference between a alligator and a crocodile?

>>86475898
Wyverns >>>>>>.Dragons for design. Dragons are fucking stupid.

>>86480206
Wrong.
Real mythology is not as autistic as fucking Gygax's D&D manual.

The term "dragon" is very loose throughout history where it's often interchanged with "serpent" depending on translation.

The only difference between "dragons" and "wyverns" is in heraldry. Some people put 4 legged dragons on their flags and some put 2 legged "wyverns" on their flags.
They both wanted to depict "dragons" as they thought it was. Dragon being a metaphor for evil and violence and richness.

Whether your dragon has 2 legs or 4 depends on the imagination of the people who are imagining this non-existent creature

>>86480160
I bet this some deluded obsidiot.

>>86477860
You're a fucking idiot. Dragons have been depicted in art as having four solid limbs plus the wings/ability to fly since ancient history, long before D&D.

It's where D&D got their design from.

What's next, are you going to start claiming D&D "ruined" dragons when fucking retarded Hollywood starts slapping wings asian dragons because MUH REALISM, IT NEEDS WINGS TO FLY, DURRRR.

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>FOUR LIMBS AND WINGS IS UNREALISTIC

>>86480476
Upscaled it is

>>86480315
No, more like the difference between a lamia and a naga.

Both technically snake people, but two completely different creatures.

>>86480392
In my language (bosnian, serbian, croatian, whatever) there isn't even a distinction between the two. I wonder if it's like that in other slavic languages.

>>86479457
>decided to put a HIGH FANTASY creature in his novels/television show
>it must be realistic!

Motherfucker, why even have dragons at all?

>>86480476
those are skin flaps

like a foreskin

no muscles attached

moron

>>86480771
Probably because wyvern vs dragons were only important in Western European heraldry.

By the way, does wyvern sound at all similar to any word for "snake" in your language?
Because it's almost like "viper" in English

>dragons are ancient eldritch abominations of pure magic and pure rage
>LOL, LET'S BASE THEM OFF OF REAL LIFE ANIMALS

I bet you would all be shitting yourselves in an autistic rage if they did this with Cthulhu.

>>86481143
>By the way, does wyvern sound at all similar to any word for "snake" in your language?
>Because it's almost like "viper" in English
Holy shit. No since there is no wyvern in our language. But look at this, the word for snake (Zmija) and the word for dragon (Zmaj) are pretty similar.

MIND BLOWN
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>>86481468
Same thing in English with viper and wyvern.
Both words come from the old French word "wiver", which means viper/snake.

All this autism about strict rules about what is and what isn't a dragon is bullshit. Dragons are big scaly monsters that are like snakes. All the language roots say that.

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>>86481322
Who? The cute squidman?

Movie Smaug is ugly and terrible design wise. At least GoT got it right with their wyvern design.

>>86480392
This. People complaining about wyverns are the same as mallgoths who complain about the werewolf vs. lycan distinction because they think Underworld should be an authority about monsters in folklore.

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>>86481468
>>86481932
Did some research on the theme, found this.

At least we now know where Tolkien got the name "Smaug" from...

>>86475926
Dragons breath fire, wyverns breath cock

>>86479383
>MY arbitrary "classification" of fictional creatures is the only valid one
lol

>>86482778
It goes further back than that.
Polish word for snake is "smok"
Swedish word is "snok"
And of course the modern English word is "snake"

It all goes back to PIE
Tolkien was a linguist. He knew all this.
Smaug's name was like if there was another branch of PIE that broke off and settled in Middle Earth.
Smaug's name was probably how the locals of that place called snakes.
Smaug was just called "Snake" in the local langauges

>>86480771
There is in my language (portuguese). I didn't know about this but, uh, wyvern apparently translates to serpe while dragon translates to dragão.

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>>86480771
>tfw in my language (finnish) a dragon is literally salmonsnake
As fas as I know there is no differentiation between "wyverns" and "dragons"

>>86483126
Only Finns would would look at a dragon and name it after food

>>86482879
So you are a son of a wyrm then?

>>86483126
It comes either from old norwegian word logi which meant flame, so it's fire snake like in scandic mythologies or it comes from louhikäärme, which is the snake of Louhi. Louhi or Louhetar was the main antagonist of finnish mythology. The stand in for Loki. But no, lets spam the salmon memes because ebin benis XD

>>86483126
>>86484321
I can see why "flame" and "Loki" might be similar, buy why "salmon"?
Are there evil Salmon in Saami myths or something that you half-mongols picked up?

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I work in animation and design and the main reason why most dragons are wyverns is because you can study/mocap/reference many real life animals with a similar skeletal structure, making the whole job a lot easier.
CGI of dragons with 6 limbs never looks as fluid or believable as CGI of wyverns does since we dont have a real life example to emulate muscular/bone structure from.
Most CGI animals are amalgamations of case studies made from multiple animals. We just dont have anything to reference a natural 6 limbed winged animal.

>>86484479
The word in finnish is lohikäärme. Lohi is salmon and käärme is snake. But like I explained above the lohi-part is not from the fish but probably a carryover from scandic mythologies. Old finnish like any other language was quite different from it's modern version.
Then again there is one story about a giant pike that Väinämöinen kills and makes an epic kantele out of its jaws in Kalevala.

>>86479457
literally blown the fuck out by a Pegasus.

>>86484663
I wish I were Finnish
Your shit is the best

>>86484569
why dont you just google dragon skeleton?