Starship Troopers

>>86415734

A very good film that gets it's message across clearly, and in an entertaining fashion. It can also be enjoyed as a flick

I like the big titty girl in the movie

>>86415734

>tfw there are people who actually think the movie was pro-fascism

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>>86415734
its a master peace

>>86415862
Same people who think Sucker Punch was misogynistic

>>86415734
Forever War when

>>86415904
well partly it's wanking material for 13 year olds, but before anything else it's just shit really

>>86415734
more like
>star trip poopers

>>86415862
Many reviewers at the time actually said that, but it's really the opposite. It's like a parody of a propaganda film (with the little spoofy segments...) and it also shows how the main characters (the ones still alive) changes into war machines at the end of the movie. It's really a film about a fascist/authoritarian society that centers around war and where violence is the only option... and it paints that society in a very grim light.

Brinlets won't get that though.

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>>86415734
Living proof that using good miniatures will age like fine wine unlike CGI, which ages like milk left in a hot car.

>>86416183
Even the the cgi in starship troopers holds up well 20 years later compared to a lot of more modern stuff. Also book>movie and verhoeven a danish cunt who failed at making it "satire"

ST is a contender for the most quotable movie of all time.

>IM FROM BUENOS AIRES
>shoot a nuke down a bughole, you got a lot of dead bugs
>fleet does the flying, m.i. does the dyin

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>>86416123
Seriously. It's sad how many people don't get that Verhoeven operates with his tongue in his cheek.
Doing the propaganda bits just like he did in Robocop with the Fox News segments(9 years before the real Fox News was founded) complete with the silly commercials.
And a completely accurate depiction of Detroit in the future.
>>86416292
Considering there are people still too stupid to realize it was satire, he did it perfectly. It's not his fault fascists are stupid.

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>>86416123
Imagine starting off the millennium with a rock solid announcement that you're a cuck and a brainlet.

>>86415816
Who?

>>86415862
>film tries to paint fascism in a negative light
>everybody ends up wanting to live in that society

I just watched it for the first time. It was enjoyable, I enjoyed the characters (except for John being a cuck and his love interest being a cheating whore).
However, I cannot fathom how people could have missed the satire and perceived this as a straight up action film where the humans are the good guys. Are American theater audiences really this stupid?

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I'm from Memphis, Tennessee.
AND I LOVE EM ALL

>>86416416
>It's not his fault fascists are stupid
Some fascists probably unironically think that (also my guess is that most of them just want to "claim culture"). Although I have gotten the impression that it's mostly some liberals that think that, i.e. some liberals are so quick to point to fascism that they don't read into it more. Like this guy. >>86416647

>>86417199
All the old soldiers are very hurt and the society spends most of it's resources on war instead of at least trying to figure out a way of communicating with the bugs and come to some king of truce (the bugs are quite smart). Does it seem so good?

>>86415734
The book was better.

>>86416123
I cannot for the life of me fathom how somebody could fail to realize that Starship Troopers was satire (at least as far as the movie was concerned).

>>86417402
>also
*although

>>86417427
I think some (fascist) people just want to "claim it" and some liberals are very quick to label everything fascist or racist etc. so they don't take a closer look. And some people are just stupid.

>>86417211
>However, I cannot fathom how people could have missed the satire and perceived this as a straight up action film where the humans are the good guys. Are American theater audiences really this stupid?

Nope, it's mostly a meme spread by people who think they can make themselves look smarter by pretending that there was only a tiny elite who got what the movie was supposed to be. Actually, it was generally understood.

Of course the irony is that it works much better as a straight action flick, because the satire is so clunky and ineffective.

>>86417402
>didnt read the book
The vets arent all fucked up mane

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>>86417402
The only people who ever took it as serious in its praising of fascism were other fascists.
Quite a few of them posting here and wondering why everyone was laughing at the movie and them.
Just, how the fuck can you take a movie seriously when it gives you Gestapo Doogie Howser?
Seriously. Only underage fascist kids who don't know NPH except the meme he's become recently would look at him in this movie and not smirk.

>>86417529
>because the satire is so clunky and ineffective.
Except it's not. Its news reels are exactly like the rallying news clips played in front of movies in the 40s.
If you think it's bad at it, then you're probably one of those fascist kids who didn't get the satire at first and now is upset that it was making fun of you the whole time.

>>86417554
>The only people who ever took it as serious in its praising of fascism were other fascists.
That not true. Many serious critics though that.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/starship_troopers/reviews/?type=top_critics

>>86417544
Many are fucked up though and they have all lost many friends. Doesn't seem like good society to live in mane.

>>86417402
>reason with the bugs
How would you reason with a militaristic insect species with a caste system and swarm intelligence? It's literally kill or be killed in every conceivable sense, one species will end up dominating and replacing the other, better make sure it's yours.

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>>86417554
This is an outright lie. It takes a fucking minute to find examples of people stupidly thinking this movie was a celebration of fascism/imperialism/whateverism when it first came out.

Sorry, anon, but you're blatantly wrong.

>>86417785
Only if they thought it was like the book, which was a celebration of fascism.

I can watch Starship Troopers anytime and anywhere and not get sick of it.

>>86417644
>Except it's not. Its news reels are exactly like the rallying news clips played in front of movies in the 40s.
Yes, that's the problem. It's too goofy to be taken seriously nowadays. The film is a farce - making a straight adaption of the book would have been more effective, considering there's actually people who think it endorses fascism.

>>86417886
>The film is a farce
Just like fascism.

dizzy aged well while carmen didn't

>>86417722
They are clearly very intelligent. At least attempting to communicate with them to broker some kind of truce would be a good idea, but they don't even attempt to because their society need the bugs - they don't want to broker a truce with the bugs. Maybe it wouldn't work but you should at least try.

What you have instead is a society where generation after generation will die or be very hurt or be traumatised. Instead of MAYBE having a society where you focus on developing peaceful technologies that will take it to the next level.

Point is that the society needs war and that they don't want a truce. Not saying that you shouldn't defend yourself or anything like that - you should - I'm just saying that violence isn't always the best option for you.

>>86417914
Biting analysis, anon, but probably not what the director had in mind.

>>86417826
Definitely. I can put this sucker on any day of the week as well. Same goes for Robocop and Total Recall.

>>86418017
99% of the bugs are mindless drones. The bugs are also expansionists. Do you intend to send a diplomatic mission through billions of hostile soldiers in the hopes of finding a brain bug that wants to talk? As soon as these two species met it was kill or be killed end of.

>>86416123
>changes into war machines at the end of the movie
you know they show why, Paul V fucked his point all up.

>>86415862
That's because of the all white cast. What pisses me off is people will interpret heinlein's book to be some sort of white supremacist Pro fascist propaganda based upon the fact that the dipshitz who made the movie who hated his book had an all-white cast. F*** them, in the book Juan Rico is a goddamn Puerto Rican and I forget who else but like a lot of sci-fi it was very Progressive for its day

>>86417821
Or if they didn't start with the well already poisoned on the topic.
Of course fascism is wrong. Everybody knows it's wrong. This movie says fascism is wrong, so its message is obviously that fascism is wrong.
If you don't start from that premise then it isn't obvious that the movie condemns fascism, beyond the implication that they nuked their own city to have an excuse to go to war. But beyond that one, even the obviously mocking news segments could be interpreted as good-natured, and people actually do think stuff like those ridiculous uniforms are cool. Probably because the main reason people don't think they are cool is because of the association with the nazis, who just stole them from somebody else like they stole everything other idea they had.

Problem with mocking fascism is that people actually really like fascism. They like propaganda, they like eugenics, they like cultural imperialism, they like fighting what they perceive to be just wars, etc. Simply having your fascists do these things isn't enough to make them look like bad guys. You need to make them do this to accomplish unambiguously evil goals. If what you rely upon for people to get that you're mocking someone is that they already think that person is ridiculous then you're making some awful satire.

>>86418379
It's not Paul's fault fascists are retards.

>>86418228
>I forget who else but like a lot of sci-fi it was very Progressive for its day
Macross was also. I wouldn't use progressive I would use inclusive.

>>86418228
Verhoeven didnt read the book, the whole movie borrows a very few scant plot points from the book. He did include some people of color but they mostly died.

>>86417821
>the book was a celebration of fascism
So you read the first page and stopped just like verhoeven huh

>>86417821
Heinlein's vision of the future in Starship Troopers was less a celebration of fascism and more one of a meritocracy.

>>86415734
The movie is more like a parody of the book than anything.

The book makes fascism look inevitable, even when the people don't want it.
The movie makes everything look a lot more happy-go-lucky with people embracing the war.

>>86415792
>clearly
Which one, the pro-fascist or the one when it mocks fascism?

>>86418176
Did they try to talk to the brain bug? Could take it home and try to. Point is that they don't even consider that because they don't want a truce. That's the point. The details about the bugs are really irrelevant.

So, apart from the ultra-militarism, what specifically are we supposed to be terrified of about the society we see in the movie? They go out of their way to show that civilians have very affluent and comfortable lives, that there is responsibility in the leadership hierarchy (the sky marshal being replaced after the lost battle), and society-wide racial and sexual integration.

>dude just talk to the bugs lmao
In the 3rd movie theres a planet bug which controls the brain bugs, its implied the brainbug in the first was allowed to be captured to infiltrate the federation. The bigs are just as sinister as the terrans.

>>86418811
Well gee, I wonder why brainwashed grunts eager to kill all bugs don't want to talk to the thing that's responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of their comrades.

>>86418851
Nothing. Liberals just associate a pro militaristic society with fascism.

>>86418811
he didn't see part 3 :P

>>86418908
Misrepresenting what I said. If you could get a truce you could avoid that happening to future generations though. Ending the cycle of violence. Worth a try at least, but the point is that the society need it to continue. They don't want a truce. Again, the (details about the) bugs are not important it's just a plot device.

>>86417199
>wanting to live in a society where the government kills tens of millions of its own citizens in false flag attacks
>wanting to live in a society where you aren't allowed to have children without permission from the state
>wanting to live in a society where you aren't allowed to vote without permission from the state
>wanting to live in a society where your children are sent to die in pointless wars as a means of population control
protip: they had the technology to just glass all the bug planets from orbit but instead they just send grunts down onto the ground without any sort of air support and let them get massacred

Starship Troopers' society is not a utopia at all, it only appears good on the surface - you have to be genuinely retarded to not see beneath it. The only people who actually thought it was positive were people who were alread fascists, noone saw this movie and thought "hmm you know fascism seems like a good idea"

>>86419075
Yeah bro we just need to talk to end the cycle of violence haha
Has worked out pretty well for Israel and Palestine, wouldn't you say?

>>86419079
They didnt have the q bomb til the 3rd movie. A lot of other things wrong with your arguments that I simply don't have time for right now too.

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JOHNNY JUST LOST HIS PARENTS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThrVQKl04Ak

ITT: retards who actually think it was the bugs who launched the meteor
I didn't think the implication that it wasn't actually the bugs could have been any more clear in the movie but apparently people are so stupid they will fall for fake propaganda in a movie.

>>86419079
The asteroid hit on B.A. MAY have been a false flag operation; that hasn't been confirmed. For all you know it could genuinely have been an attack from the bugs.
Children are for cucks anyway.
People are already only allowed to vote with permission from the state. It's called eligibility. You know how minors can't vote? The age cutoff is determined by the government.
No children are sent to die in pointless wars; those who are sent are those who were stupid or desperate enough to enlist of their own free will.

So basically, if you didn't enlist in ST's society, your life was pretty gud. Fuck all day with no kids, don't give a shit about the war.

>>86419110
Yes?

>>86419079
>false flag attacks
your going to have to prove that and the morman "extremist" weren't also killed by bugs.

>>86415734
Love it.

Wish there was a version that followed the book though

>>86419197
They can fart plasma into orbit that will one shot ships engineered for the military and are capable of FTL travel. They clearly have the means for interstellar travel (as you can tell on account of the bugs being on planet P as well). What makes you think they can't send asteroids across the galaxy?

I like it because it's sci-fi where humans are the bad guys but not in an obnoxious supervillain type way. I wish there was more stuff like it.

>>86419197
Brain bugs sucked brains to get the info from them it's not hard to swallow sci-FICTION

>>86419197
t. bug

>>86419373
Theres a faithful reboot in pre production

>>86418851
the uniforms are scary.

>>86419195
catchy

>>86415734
absolutely kino my second favorite movie

>>86419526
sauce

>>86419195
>ywn have Rico's facial aesthetics

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It was ok but stretched reality too far even for sci fi. I mean come on, white people in Argentina?

>>86419075
The bugs obviously don't want a truce either since they didn't try and communicate right? Take the peaceful Mormon outpost where the people got eviscerated. Stop making excuses for modern day Islam.

>>86419789
I'd sex him and I'm not even gay

>>86417427
>>86416416
although its satirical at points its not a satire. the plot and characters are genuine.

>>86417402
>bugkek detected

>>86419741
>http://www.thewrap.com/starship-troopers-remake-reboot-sony-fans-devestated/

>>86420186
I really hate people.

Who else has read the book? Am I alone in thinking that it's also largely satirical? Everyone talks about how it's an outline for Heinlein's ideal (fascist) society, but it reads like satire to me. That and almost all of his other books are satirical

>>86420361
Thats all i got from that rag too

>>86420388
Do you know literally anything about robert heinlein?

>>86420388
I was in the military it's just an in the life story mixed with sci fi

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>>86420186
He's right you know.

>>86420469
Do you?

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>>86415734
>Most great directors
>Like maybe 1 movie of them
>Paul Verhoeven
>Robocop
>Starship Troopers
>Total Recall

I'd watch any of these movies over most tbhfampaisamalansenpai

>>86420186
>yeah i know its a book, lol, but still
fucking millennial numales

>>86418676
If you think its pro fascism, you clearly don't understand parody or satire.

>>86417121
Pretty sure he's talking about Denise Richards

>>86420754
Enough to know that his book reflected his own views because he was an educated military man.

>>86421188
Oh so you're trolling. Carry on

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>>86423009
>you

>>86423009 Great non argument faggot.
>>86421188 Is right.

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Choose your destiny

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>>86423350
>there are people who wouldn't choose dizzy

>>86423350
Prine carmen was hard to beat. Diz had disappointing tits.

>>86423350
I choose LOYALTY

>>86423350
not impregnating both

>>86418811
>Talk to the brain bug
They didnt even get one to talk to till the end of the movie

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>TFW you find out Buenos Aires was an inside job

Robert heinlein.
>Closeted facist who basically described nazi doctrine trying to make it sound like the correct choice.
>Then he got cold feet and wrote about a hippie community to confuse people.
>decades later some random idiot decided to make him popular, not even that much of a writer

that's literally it

I watched this shit when I was like 7-8. Was traumatizingly violent for that age.

But still a good movie.

>>86424787
>I watched this shit when I was like 7-8. Was traumatizingly violent for that age.

Not even in jest, you had some good folks.

>>86416183
ST had a good mixture of CGI and practical effects, the CGI still holds up pretty well because they weren't overzealous with it and made sure to mostly restrict it to things that look good with CGI. The practical effects were amazing too, especially the gore.

>>86424972
From what someone said, in an old thread, the hard edges and bug carapace render really well in CG

>>86419390
it would take thousands if not millions of years for the asteroid to get to earth, fucking brainlet

>>86423424
This

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>>86425157
Yeah, those sorts of things work well in CGI, it's why Davy Jones also holds up incredibly well today

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>>86425175
>what are wormholes

Great movie, I wish they hadn't turn it into some sort of right wing thing nowadays.

>>86418228
SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP PACO

GO KILL TOWELHEADS, I MEAN BUGS, THEN YOU CAN STAY ON THE GOOD SIDE OF THE WALL

>>86425175
they pooped their blue at it and made it go faster

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>>86417700
>liberals taking something too seriously & in wrong context

>>86417886
The book doesn't endorse fascism

>>86420388
Are you sure you read the book? Do you know anything about Heinlein or his experiences?

Why didn't Rasczak want to have robot legs to go with his robo arm?

>>86424759
No.
The book was his opinion on how he views a utopian society. In the book, non-citizens were not slaves, serfs, nor even lesser humans. Non-citizens could own property, hold jobs, receive advanced education, become rich, have families, and even voice their opinions openly but were simply restricted from taking an active part in government activities. Both citizens and non-citizens were held to the same legal standards, were not restricted on their freedom of movement, ownership, or accomplishments. In the book he describes that the voting and politically active class had to come from those who had served in the military, however, the current government also discouraged people from joining, unless they were truly ready to put societies needs before their own. The acting gov't put amputated war veterans at recruiting centers, required classes in school encouraging people not to join unless they were willing to risk everything, and even people who had enlisted but held second thoughts were allowed to leave honorably. The government wasn't oppressing their people, they conducted public corporal punishment for certain offenses but even th brutality is minor when compared to our modern system of incarceration and removal from society. He wrote a book on what a Utopian society would be like if it was governed by a numerous amount of selfless honorable leaders...unfortunately, the whole problem with Utopia is that by definition it can't be perfect because men are not perfect. At worst it was a naive and idealistic view of a perfect society.
I also encourage you to read the forever war for a more pragmatic view of war and veterans returning from war.

>>86429016
Sorry if my autism went into overdrive, I just really enjoyed that book and the Forever War.

>>86420853
No one cares nigger. Most people who saw the movie think the Federation is the shit. Verhoveren's attempts to spit on the source material only made it look cooler.

>>86428741
I wonder this too, but it's possible he would've died prior to exfil?

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>>86416292
He's Dutch.

>>86415734
saw the first one as a kid. I liked it.

>>86429114

You sound smart and capable of critiquing art

>>86429351
If there's one thing I can't stand, it's the dutch.

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>>86415816
the captain of the orbiting ship?

Anyone going to Traitor of Mars?

>>86429016
Don't forget that you could do civil service to gain citizenship.

The sequel is one of the worst films I've ever seen.

OP whoever you are, you're a master at getting annoying fucking screencaps.

>>86430947
Ah yes, thank you, anon. I had forgotten about that.

>>86430759
Might be

>>86419079
>false flag

That fan fiction theory again. Not even 'muh satire' Verhoeven says that.

>tfw met Dina Meyer in person at a convention
She was really sweet and still looks good.

No joke this movie inspired me to join the military

Does anyone remember the sequel? Because god it was awful.

>>86436917
What about the sequel of the sequel?

>>86437465

There was a sequel of the sequel? I just watched the second one and thought it ate shit and never came back.

>>86439142

Yeah, they even got Rico's actor back. It was pretty mediocre, but a lot better than the second one.

>>86418228
Filipino not puerto rican.

>>86415734
It's anti-fascist kino

>>86430876
Someone make a virgin vs chad version

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I'm from Maumee, Ohio
And I say run em' over

I'm from Omaha Nebraska and I say kick their ass-a!

>>86420004
Im from buenos Aires and I am offended

>>86423350
prime denise was fucking perfect anon

>>86425175
FTL travel is clearly possible in ST's universe. The humans do it to reach the bugs, the bugs do it to settle planet P. Obviously, there is a way.

>>86440049
It's pro-fascist kino

People claiming this films shows fascism in a good light are trolling.

>>86430391
My dick is now braking for high orbit.

Unironically an excellent film with top notch music. One of my favorites.