What exactly has Cersei done to make her as evil as everyone

Cersei did nothing wrong but Jaime has to kill her because he is Azor Ahai.

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why are they even seen as evil?
is it the incest?

>>86247487
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>stabilize the realm

>destroy benevolent religion seeking equality

>start a war of 5 armies because she didn't want her incestual trysts to be revealed

>killed an incompetent yet peaceful king to start even more conflicts

>tried putting her murderous sociopath kid on the throne

>executed innocent men just so she can keep her gravy train of lies and deceit going

>>86247412
>stabalize the realm

well by blowing up a good number of the sparrows i suppose she spared them a slow death by starvation from a famine that's definitely happening everywhere the show doesn't depict.

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>>86247412
Friendly reminder that people will try to claim that pic related is bad on principle.

>>86247412
If you sacrificed 7 dorks, every day, for 7 years, you'd still be the dorkiest fuck around.

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>>86247412
>blew up the religious capital of the realm killing dozens of innocents in the process
Hmmm I wonder why.

She is slowly turning into the mad queen and attempt to burn down king's landing when Dany's army is invading and Azor Jaime will kill her with his Valyrian steel sword and it will be POTTERY. Now that are her children are dead she doesn't love anything any more and is only driven by her lust for power.

>>86247593
>>86247593
>destroy benevolent religion seeking equality
bad bait

>>86247920
holy fuck i read that in tywins voice xd

>>86247412
She raised a cunt and a pussy, and a daughter who was a character too I guess

>>86247412
holy shit fucking this.
>Robert Baratheon is an idiot horrible king who gets the crown into unsustainable levels of debt
>plays a hand in getting him killed in a hunting accident by getting him really drunk, crown stops bleeding money for awhile
>Joffrey was a fucking cunt but he kept everything in line for the most part, way better than Robert as a king despite his cruelty
>After Joffrey dies Tommen basically allows the Tyrells and The Faith to walk all over him and totally disrespect the crown and government
>seems like the whole god damn city is going crazy
>Cersei kills literally everyone responsible for this madness and her shithead pussy son kills himself
>she is now Queen and for the first time since before The Mad Kings rule the Iron Throne is stable and crownlands secure and free from infighting
>literally the only reason she is a "villain" is because she isnt as young or as pretty as Dany and fucks her brother so normies hate her

>>86247926
She armed the faith and then promptly blew them all up. I can't imagine either of those were good for the region.

With her dealing with the bank of Bravos I imagine they might be on their way to adapting the storyline where she says fuck the bank and fuck up the economy like the books.

>>86249193

>Joffrey keeps things in line
>Starts the war of the 5 kings

ok

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she's a semen demon

>>86247593
Honestly Robert was doing fine. He was chugging through their gold but a little debt isnt the worst thing in the world, they would have just married one of their kids into the Tyrells for money.

>>86249193
>crown stops bleeding money for awhile
>engaging in a needless war
Pick one.

>>86249356
you're an idiot.
Joffrey was legally in the eyes of literally everyone the rightful heir to the throne. As an audience we know he was not but Ned Stark, Stannis Baratheon, and Cersei and Jaime Lannister are the only people who know that not to be true.
So to all of Westeros, Renly and Stannis are the ones responsible for breaking up the kingdoms by seperately rising against Joffrey. Balon Greyjoy crowned himself again pretty much entirely independent of the events of the rest of the show. The only thing you can pin on Joffrey is the rebellion in the North since Robb Stark marched south pretty much entirely because Ned was imprisoned then beheaded. That war turned into a shitshow because Ned Stark is a total fucking moron who made no effort to put Stannis in a strong position to claim the throne.
Also Margarey could never manipulate Joffrey the way she manipulated Tommen. Joffrey was clearly open to her but not totally beholden to her whims like Tommen was. Joffrey certainly wouldnt have let the Faith Militant trample over the law the way they did under Tommens rule. On top of that, the dornish royal family never would have survived after Myrcella died. Joffrey would have burnt dorne to the ground.

>>86247412

Well book Cersei is a drunk and paranoid queen regent who is actively doing everything she can to fall ass backwards into chaos.

TV Cersei murders a fuckload of people and started a major war that split the realm apart all because she hated her drunk husband among other reasons.

>>86249527
>Implying Joffrey started any of those wars
>Implying Cersei started the wars she is engaged in now
Robb, Balon, Stannis, and Renly all chose to start their rebellions, not Joffrey.
Dany decided to invade westeros, Olenna decided to rebel, Ellaria decieded to rebel, not Cersei.
Not saying Cersei and Joffrey are inoccent but if you want to get technicaly they did not start any wars, only finished them.

>>86249440
Robert was incompetent and stupid, so the people who really had power were the corrupt beurocrats that surrounded him

>>86249384
Damn she is.

She had a hand in Robert getting killed by that boar. If Robert had lived, then Westeros would've enjoyed centuries of peace and fun tournaments under House Baratheon, and even if she HADN"T gotten Robert killed, she still produced an impostor heir to the Baratheon bloodline, and if Eddard hadn't noticed then the entire legacy of House Baratheon would've been silently subverted because she just HAD to fuck her brother. She is a 4D cunt that fucked everything up for everybody forever.

>>86249629
Joffrey started the war with the North by cutting off Ned Stark's head against the wishes of the council, his to-be wife and his mother. Had he kept it in his pants, the North and the South's relationship would have been stronger than ever.

>>86249629
>>Implying Joffrey started any of those wars
>>Implying Cersei started the wars she is engaged in now
I was actually implying Cersei caused the war of the 5 kings. Also Joffrey directly caused the Robb rebellion.

>>86249639
While true overall Westeros was in a pretty good place, especially compared to any time after his death.

>>86250090

Robb's rebellion was already in full swing prior to Ned dying. It started when Cat took Tyrion hostage, prompting Tywin and the Lannisters to go after the Tullys, which got the Starks and the north involved. Now this could have been avoided or at least lessened had Cersei not taken Ned and the Stark girl(s) hostage.

Ned dying by Joffrey just made it so that peace was impossible. The Starks would never sue for peace when their leader got his head cut off.

Cersei blowing up the sparrows, along with her son's wife, was completely justified. I know some innocent people there died as well, but a lot more would die in a regular war against the sparrows

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>starkfags will defend this

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When was Cersei's heel-face turn? The walk of shame?

Early on in the show she was easily the most hated character behind Joffrey but now she seems to have legions of genuine fans

>>86250524
Of course she has fans, instead of blue balling viewers by watching Religious fanatics walk all over King's Landing and the crown, she solved everything in the most satisfying way possible.

>>86247412
>Purposely got her husband killed
>Blew up the Sept of baelor
I'm sure there's more

It's great to see her fuck up the people that fucked her family up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KviFXU_87A

>>86250482

You mean Ned telling Cersei that he knew or later when he gave her the option to flee kings landing?

I like the Stark's but yeah Ned fucked up. He revealed his hand before he had firmly secured Stannis or Renly's help. Secondly he didn't take Cersei out when he had the chance but that's more because Ned was chivalrous to a fault and thought she would just play nice.

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>murder Bobby B
>stabilize the realm

Why do people act like she did a bad thing by blowing up the septim?

>fanatics take over the city
>taking control of the crown
>fanatics hate technology
>kill fanatics
>woow ur so bad for saving King's Landing #TeamDany

And people saying you can't compare Daenerys to her. Of course you can't, Cersei was a hero.

>>86249193
Cersei had Jon Arryn killed when he found out about the incest, which led to Robert inviting Ned to become King's Hand and Ned's investigation into why Jon was murdered

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>>86249950
>warrior king robert bored of ruling
>if he had lived 5 more years and his bitch wife didn't kill him he would've been immortalized as god-king baratheon destroyer of the white-walker menace and defender of the dawn
>would've had the time of his life doing so
>this also would've been a much better tv show

I enjoy cercie but there is no doubt as a human she is rotten to the core

>>86247412
What was her tax policy?

>>86247593
>>destroy benevolent religion seeking equality
terrible b8
>>start a war of 5 armies because she didn't want her incestual trysts to be revealed
She's not the one who started that.
>>killed an incompetent yet peaceful king to start even more conflicts
Killing Robert would not, in itself, have led to war, that was due to actions beyond her control.
>>tried putting her murderous sociopath kid on the throne
As a figurehead, she and Tywin were really running things.
>>executed innocent men just so she can keep her gravy train of lies and deceit going
So did everyone else, and if we're talking realm stability here it might have worked.

>>86250297
They had Ned and his family with them, they could have peacefully resolved it easily without killing him.

>>86251099
Never would've been a problem if Robert wasn't a drunk who obsessed over Lyanna

>>86251099
well evidently she had the right idea since the first time that info really got out there Stannis and Renly called in the Baratheon and Tyrell armies up to openly rebel thus starting the war of 5 kings.
Ned was an idiot for opening up that can of worms.
His stupidity caused the death of his eldest son, his youngest son, and his wife as well as tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of soldiers and civilians.
>war of 5 kings
wouldnt have happened if not for Ned
>Red Wedding
wouldnt have happened if not for Ned
>Battle of Blackwater
wouldnt have happened if not for Ned

I'm sensing a pattern here

>>86250964
She empowered those fanatics in the first place to go after the Tyrells and it backfired on her. Then she murdered everyone involved including the people she gave power to and the Tyrells. Basically she had an enemy, made a mess to beat that enemy and then killed dozens of people to clean up everything in the most brutal and destructive way possible.

>>86251327
So, she's like the USA with the Talaban.

>>86251139
Would read/10.

>>86250749
Tyene and whip girl were cute so it was sad to see them go but on the whole it was so satisfying to see the sand sneks and by extension the god awful show version of Dorne snuffed out

>>86251267
That logic is retarded. You're arguing that because Ned could have potentially prevented a war from happening that its his fault it happened, instead of the people directly causing the war. Yeah he fucked up being the hero because he was too noble but he was trying to fix a shit situation to begin with.

>>86251229

Which is what Cersei wanted. She was willing to settle for peace with Starks and the North provided Ned convinced them to stop the fighting and Ned took the black and fucked off to the North to let her and the south do its thing. She was just using his kids and leverage to get him to comply.

Joffery fucked up her plan when he had Ned killed. Which admittedly he had no idea was even in the works. When Ned died it meant the North would never concede with simple peace.

>>86247412
>BLOWING UP A CHURCH TO ASSASSINATE YOUR POLITICAL RIVALS AND YOUR SON'S FIANCÉ TO HOLD ONTO THE THRONE IN A POWER GRAB WHILE ALSO KILLING HUNDREDS OF INNOCENT SUBJECTS WHO HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING

>>86251433
Exactly so how is the North's rebellion not Joffrey's fault?

Not evil. Just obsessed with power.

>>86251419
the best way to prevent the war was to do nothing.
There was no conflict with Joffrey on the throne, at least in terms of warfare, apart from the events set in motion directly by Ned Stark. If Cersei had things her way there would be no investigation and Joffrey would rule. Robb Stark maybe would have rebelled anyway but without Stannis serving as a supremely dangerous and much more immediate threat compared to Robb, and potentially instead serving as a loyal ally to the crown (he was said to be just as honorable and bound by law as Ned) Robb would be nothing more than a minor annoyance.
Balon certainly would have rebelled anyway no matter what was going on Kings Landing but his aggression was almost entirely directed at the North. With the Boltons already willing to betray the Starks the far weaker position they would be in in this scenario would prompt a much earlier Bolton betrayal making the Stark defeat extremely swift. That just leaves the Boltons to defeat the Ironborn on their own, a task that they are evidently very capable of. Even if they werent, the entirety of Westeros against a far weaker and desperate Ironborn rebellion can only go one way.

she did evil shit for selfish reasons

>>86251605
Its extremely unlikely Ned would negotiate for peace at that point. If he wasnt under threat of death he wouldnt have confessed. Fear of what Joffrey might do was his motivation, and if he knew he wouldnt be killed he would still support Robbs efforts.
Joffrey didnt start the war, as someone else said earlier the thread he just made peace negotiations impossible. But honestly peace was already impossible. Think of the northern bannermen. They dont just crown a guy King of the North for nothing, they wanted out and they wouldnt let Robb or Ned turn back at that point.

>>86251605

Because it started before Joffery killed Ned. The North rebelled when Ned and the Stark girls got were captured and held prisoner. They were fighting to get him back. When he died they said "fuck it, lets be independent"

They fighting was already going on before the whole Ned/Joffery thing.

>>86251343
Or the USA with ISIS and Al-Qaeda

>>86250749
Not gonna lie, got a pretty stiff vicarious vengeance boner from that scene.

>>86252113
That great tier is reaching.

>>86252113

Cersei is not elder god tier. She's high tier at best. Tywin would be elder god tier.

>>86249568

> So to all of Westeros, Renly and Stannis are the ones responsible for breaking up the kingdoms by seperately rising against Joffrey.

Sure that might be true to "all of Westeros" but we as an audience know that that is not true. The war was started by Jaime and Cersei because they took actions to hide their incest. For example, they attempted to kill Bran which antagonized the Starks and the Tullys. Then they also killed Eddard Stark because he knew about the incest. They also earned the enmity of the Baratheons including when they discovered the children weren't Baratheons but pretenders. Literally the whole thing was to cover up their incest.

>>86250297

> It started when Cat took Tyrion hostage, prompting Tywin and the Lannisters to go after the Tullys, which got the Starks and the north involved.

It started before that when Cersei and Jaime threw Bran Stark out of the window to cover up their incest. Had that not happened they wouldn't have brought Tyrion to trial in the Vale to determine his involvement.

>>86251652
>Blaming Ned for sniffing out a conspiracy plot that includes multiple murders including the king.

>>86251822
>The North rebelled when Ned and the Stark girls got were captured and held prisoner.
So again, not Cersei and Joffrey's fault?

>>86252469

Actually it was Littlefinger that pointed the blame onto Tyrion this starting the chain of events that led to the war. Catelyn had no idea who was to blame at first until Littlefinger suggested it.

>>86252556
everything was fine and the realm was peaceful before Ned Stark showed up

>>86252204
Agreed, Tywin knew how to get shit done. Cersei tried to be the mastermind behind the scenes but she pretty much failed at every turn. When Joffrey was king she tried to control him, but failed, which resulted in Ned getting executed, starting a huge shitstorm of a chain reaction. Then when Joffrey and Tywin died she once again tried to manipulate her other son who was king, only to have a religious cult pretty much take over, as well as got herself captured and tortured by them. Tywin would have never let that shit happen. Cersei is finally at a point in the series where shes a queen and has direct power, except shes not really a military strategist and in no way has the smarts to keep the throne.

>>86252609

More Cersei's fault than Joffery. Her trying to kill Bran and taking Ned hostage and accusing him of treason were more of a factor for the start of the northern rebellion than Joffery's actions. Joffery just solidified the norths decision for declaring independence by killing Ned. Ned dying led the North to believe that King's Landing wasn't worth their allegiance and they were better off ruling themselves.

>>86252768
>Tywin would have never let that shit happen.

And yet he did.

>>86247920
>mfw the sword's name is widow's wail
like pottery

>>86252665

>Actually it was Littlefinger that pointed the blame onto Tyrion this starting the chain of events that led to the war. Catelyn had no idea who was to blame at first until Littlefinger suggested it.
There would have been no need to place blame on anyone in the first place had Bran not been attacked in the first to cover up the incest. Littlefinger just exacerbated a problem that already existed.

>>86252860

He was dead at the time so I don't know how he could have let it happen as a corpse. The sparrows would have never taken Cersei if Tywin was alive because one Tywin would never have allowed the sparrows to exist in the first place and two he would have butchered the fuck out them them if they took Cersei for the slight against his house.

If you're talking about Jofferys fuck up with Ned then all I can say is that Tywin was in the Riverlands burning the place to the ground. If he was there he would have most likely prevented Ned's beheading knowing the political ramifications of that happening.

>>86250786
In the first season its following the books more closely and in the 1st one it's implied Cersei and Ned were friends-ish at some point in the past.

>>86247851
I bet you were hoping for a 7 get

>>86253592

Ned was friends with Robert but its never stated in the books that he really knew Cersei other than at her wedding with Robert. Remember after the rebellion Ned spent nearly all his time in the North, aside from the brief moment during the greyjoy rebellion to help Robert.

So it wasn't so much a friendship but Ned's character as he was written. He was the idea of chivalry and honor and that's what got him killed. Cause he believed that Cersei being a woman and faced with Ned knew would just up and leave (which he told her to do) rather than fight back. Also he didn't expect Robert to suddenly die like he did.

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>>86247412

Going off of books here so let's do this.

>Raising Joffrey
>Having kids with Jaime (LITERALLY caused the War of the Five Kings--and don't act like it wasn't on purpose, Cersei literally scooped Robert's jizz out of her pussy to avoid having Baratheon children. Stupid, but it happened)
>Assassinating Robert ("assassination" might be a heavy word for it but "seducing your cousin and having him make sure the king gets shitfaced while boar-spearing with the intent to get him killed" is still something--again, Robert's death kicks off the War of the Five Kings)
>Raising Joffrey, which gets Ned killed and--say it with me now--is part of what kicked off the War of the Five Kings
>Refusing to help the North (everyone's guilty of this, yeah, but that doesn't mean she's any less guilty)
>De-clawing the King's Guard, filling it with yes-men and even *more* seduced lovers loyal to her and utterly incompetent at everything else
>Same thing with her small council; she systematically ignores their advice, firing them if they disagree with her and turning the council into a worthless echo-chamber. This might work out if she wasn't a fucking paranoid insano, but she is.
>Raising Joffrey
>Allowing the Faith Militant to return, holy shit
>RAISING. JOFFREY.

That's off the top of my head. Cersei has done more to destabilize the realm than any other single person in ASOIAF. Fucking Dany is doing a worse job of it. Consider this: Varys literally assassinates Kevan to make sure Cersei gets back in the saddle because she is doing his fucking job for him.

Side-note: this is partly why her chapters are some of the best in the series. Cersei is the absolute best at fucking shit up, it's amazing.

>>86254058
>Refusing to help the North

That was a weird way to put it. I should specify that I'm talking about Castle Black and the Night's Watch. the North is their whole own thing.

>>86247775
Let's be honest for a second: Who wouldn't if they had a sister as hot as Cersei who was that in to you
Anyone who hates on it is obviously jealous of the absence of such a genuine love from their own lives

>>86247412
>reddithood is idolising ned
>enlightenhood is realising that his morals and actions were the cause of the shitfest

it's almost like it's a redpill for bleeding-heart liberals to see that simply having morals doesn't make you a good person,

ned was selfish in that he just wanted to hide in his comfy little fell when he should have been down south councelling his dumb fat fuck friend. he never learned how to deal with the snakes, trusted littlefinger and various other bullshittings. none of his morals were backed up by action and his was blindly fumbling through life on honour alone, you think he would have fucking learnt something from jon ary..oh wait he was a stupid old fuck too.

>>86254222
Weren't they lovers since childhood?

Seems like the solution was to just let them marry rather than try to put Cersei through arranged marriages 3 times.

>>86254549
Yes, iirc they came out of the womb together and one was holding the other's ankle

Maybe the families were afraid of incest because of what happened to the Targs over time

>>86254855
>Maybe the families were afraid of incest because of what happened to the Targs over time

Tywin broke them up because Cersei needed to marry a prince or a king for him to achieve his plans for world domination. Incest isn't terrifically scandalous in this world. But Tywin always treated his children like tools; Cersei's function was to secure for him a seat of power in King's Landing and put a half-Lannister king on the throne, Jaime's was to inherit his seat at Casterly Rock (Tyrion's role was to choke on a cock and die, at least as far as Tywin was concerned). That couldn't be done if they fucked off and married each other.

Besides, whether he knew it or not Tywin was probably doing the best thing he ever did for Jaime by breaking them up. Jaime selflessly loved Cersei, but Cersei was a horrible, heartless human being from the word go (maybe before she received her prophecy she was okay, but she was certainly irrecoverably ruined as a functional person after that). Being Jaime in the Jaime/Cersei relationship was suffering.

Ultimately the joke was on Tywin on account of Jaime joining the King's Guard and thus disqualifying himself from inheriting House Lannister anyway, and Cersei for refusing to bear Baratheon children, in all likelihood ending the chances of Lannister blood sitting on the Iron Throne. Honestly the only kid that didn't royally fuck Tywin over was Tyrion--right up until he shot him to death.

>>86255079
Thank you for the explanation, it makes more sense now

>>86250524
Why does she look like Chie now? What did I miss?

>>86251099
That was Finger's doing

>>86251139
Robert was a degenerare crybaby who acted like a spoiled irresponsible child because he couldn't get his waifu he had since like once in his entire life time

>>86247412
She had her husband killed remember
And then had Ned killed for uncovering the truth, which was that Roberts kids were actually fathered by her own brother

You dumb cuck

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>>86257382
Ned was autistic as fuck.

>>86257398

Ned was too pure for this world.

>>86257398
True but he was a good man none the less

>>86257382
Her husband Who cheated on her with whores all day every day

hello?

>>86257432

Delete this.

lol is this how you 4chan *waits 1 minute* this is shit

>>86257455
kys

i only kyss girls

>>86249568
>Joffrey was legally in the eyes of literally everyone the rightful heir to the throne.
Nigger, it was an open secret that everyone knew Joffrey was an incest baby. Everyone but Robert and the others knew that Cersei's kids were illegitimate but played along since the Lannisters had the power anyway.

>>86247412
Because she looks like a bitch.

man 4chan is shit

I just wanna stick my weiner in her snizz

>>86257499
Sure thing buddy, for all we fucking know from the show Joffrey was Robert's legitimate son, Ned Stark improvising himself as a medieval scientist doesn't count as a proof

>>86257428
Doesn't matter
He never made those mistresses his wives and never would, the bastards he left with them stayed bastards. They wouldn't even inherit his name much less a title

Cersie was his queen and she all she had to do was take his load and be loyal. You can't trust a hoe and Cersie proved be the biggest nastiest one of all. She's a fucking megathot

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Ned was a moralfag, Robert wanted to kill Daenerys and her son as soon as he knew about her being pregnant.

>>86257613
>doesn't matter

sure, sure thing, I bet you'd love a husband who cheats on you every single day, is obese, alcoholic and treats you like a piece of shit

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People considered her evil even before the septon blew up. Which is weird because all she ever did was fuck her brother. I think everyone projected Joffrey onto Cersei while forgetting she was only protecting her kids and even tried to tame (and fail) Joffrey. She didn't want to kill Ned, that was Joffrey. She didn't cause the red wedding, that was Tywin. She didn't kill Oberyn, that fucker volunteered to a fight to the death.

>>86254506
but he did go down to kings landing as soon as he was named hand of the king. before that he was the warden of the north, so of course he stayed in the north

>People saying Ned was an idiot

Ned was in over his head, but it's important to remember that Robert was *alive* when this shit started. Robert treated Ned like a brother. Robert would take Ned's word regarding Joffrey's parentage. Cersei was the one that needed to be scared, Robert was going to fucking murder her as soon as he got back from his hunting trip. Ned was right about all of this, assuming Robert makes it back from his hunting trip.

Ned's real mistake was failing to anticipate that Cersei was so god damn evil that she had literally, already, *before Ned even tells her he found out about Joffrey* begun a plot to assassinate Robert while he was hunting. How the fuck can you blame a guy for not calling that shit? It was the shittiest coincidence ever.

After that Ned got suckered but again, the guy who betrayed him was his wife's childhood friend, who she swore up and down he could trust. Bad move, we know, but still. Forgivable. Ned wasn't some stupid country bumpkin. The deck was ridiculously stacked against him.

>>86257653
>I bet you'd love a husband

I'm a man so you're already wrong.
Move along now, go back to /cgl/ or reddit

>>86257484
swefag go choke on somalian dick

>>86257455
Drink bleach, r*dditor.

>>86257382
>had Ned killed for uncovering the truth

WRONG.

The agreed upon Lannister plan was for Ned to admit to treason on the understanding he would be allowed to join the Nights Watch, and that no harm would fall to his daughters. Thus preserving the peace between North and South, Joffrey fucked it all up by having him killed anyway.

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>>86257501
"No."

>>86249527
Crown stops bleeding money as soon as CIA is fired from being Comtroller General and replaced with a whoring midget.

>>86257398
Thats like playing poker and announcing your hand...was he retarded?

if robert wasnt a drunk beta orbiter he wouldn't have thought rhaegar going off with lyanna was a kidnapping and wouldn't have started a war over it

>>86250524
Her, Jaime, and Euron are the only ones worth caring about. If they die I can only hope night king BTFO's everyone, but he won't and we all know Jon and Dany will win everything

>>86257816
Still it was enabled by Cersie, it has to come back to her
She raised him to be a spoiled sociopath, together with his natural tendency to be mentally unbalanced like his mother, compounded by the fact she chose to have him out of a twisted unnatural relationship with her brother

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>Bobby B: Honor doesn't keep the peace, it's fear and blood. MURDER THE PREGNANT HOOOOAR!
>Cersei is evil
???

>>86257398
At that point his only choice was to sequester her in his keep surrounded by his own stark men
Fight off an onslaught of attacks for days until Robert arrives

He really smeared his hands with shit there, what a rube

>>86249629
Yeah, Robb should have just bent the knee to Joffrey after the pure alpha move of chopping his dad's head off. He is the real villian here, not being a bitch boy for the Lannisters.

>>86257939
>if robert wasnt a drunk beta orbiter he wouldn't have thought rhaegar going off with lyanna was a kidnapping and wouldn't have started a war over it
Robert didn't start anything you fool, the mad king started it when he asked for his head. Lyanna was a moot point at that point, far more important was her father, brother, and many of her family's bannerman who had been tortured and killed by the mad king. The Targarayens were fucking insane scumbags, and Rhaegar was a prissy faggot boy.

>>86250964
>make problem to solve a problem you made earlier
>fix new problem by murdering thousands of mostly innocent people, including loyal lords and ladies and your own uncle

You're a moron. its a sept btw,

>>86249193
>Tommen basically allows the Tyrells and The Faith to walk all over him

Cersei made that possible by militarising the Faith to get back at the Tyrells.

>>86249193
>>she is now Queen and for the first time since before The Mad Kings rule the Iron Throne is stable and crownlands secure and free from infighting

uhhhhhh

the crownlands are only a small part of the realm

even without daenarys' invasion she would still be fighting the North, the Reach, the Vale, Dorne and remnants of the Stormlands. not to mention the iron islands have de-facto seceded

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>>86247412
>shitty mother
>incompetent drunk
>amoral murderer
>arrogant
>petty
>filled with hate
>terrorist
>torturer
>usurper
>old woman (probably infertile, if she dies the realm is thrown into chaos again)

>>86257995
Yes because now she is alive it's working out so well for the realm, with 40 thousand foreigners invading and 3 dragons burning shit.

>>86259503
>infertile
Oh boy you're in for a surprise.

>>86252113
Judging by this list, Cersei would be MEH-tier at best. Her motivation is to avoid prophecy, predicted by Magga. She's also a very poor ruler, hence her decisions seems to be insane at times.

>>86257398
>When you play the Game of Thrones...

Really? Fucking dropped.

was cersei fucking jamie before she married robert or did she only start after rob called her lyanna?

>>86254222
This, everyone would probably cut off one of his balls to have a sister like this.

>>86247412
Cersei wants a 'stable' realm the same way the emperor in the star wars universe wants a 'stable' galaxy, under his/her iron fist

>>86247412
>killed the king
>alienated the north

I'm pretty sure both of those things alone were decidely anti stabilization.

>>86261101
They fooled around even as kids and got caught by a maid

>>86261183
Thats hot

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>tell my qt sister that cersei is my favorite character on the show
>she starts wearing her hair in similar hairstyle as cersei does

feels good man

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>>86261101
>He could never bear to be long apart from his twin. Even as children, they would creep into each other’s beds and sleep with their arms entwined. Even in the womb. Long before his sister’s flowering or the advent of his own manhood, they had seen mares and stallions in the fields and dogs and bitches in the kennels and played at doing the same.

>Once their mother's maid had caught them at it... he did not recall just what they had been doing, but whatever it was had horrified Lady Joanna. She'd sent the maid away, moved Jaime's bedchamber to the other side of Casterly Rock, set a guard outside Cersei's, and told them that they must never do that again or she would have no choice but to tell their lord father. They need not have feared, though. It was not long after that she died birthing Tyrion. Jaime barely remembered what his mother had looked like.

>>86261425
She's trying to tell you something.

>>86257660
She did shit like have Ros beaten up though, just because she didn't like Tyrion. She was also pretty determined to marry Sansa to her son even though she was totally aware of how cruel he was.

>>86247412
The entire GoT series is happening just because she kept murdering/trying to murder people for finding out she was fucking her brother.

>>86247412
Friendly reminder that Lena Headey is a terrible Cersei and has been portraying her as a DnD fanfic motherly figure rather than the hot seductress femme fatale she's supposed to be.

>>86261478
yes that she loves me very much but I know this for years already.

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>>86250419
Completely justified? Maybe.
Completely retarded? For sure.

There is NO WAY IN HELL any Medieval family would tolerate a barren Queen regent blowing up half of the Royal Family and taking the throne for herself.

The Lannisters themselves would have deposed Cersei if S6 was as realistic as S1 and 2.

>>86257651
>Wise enough to prevent genocide
Robert truly underrated

>>86261687
These "people" have been fried from watching too much marvel movies and walking dead

Do you really think they remember what happened last season much less 3+ seasons ago? The only thing they know is what time they have to be at burlington bar this sunday

>>86261724
Jaime should've deposed her. It really looked like he was going to. THE ONLY REASON people support Cersei is because Dany is even worse.

>>86261799
Exposing her would be incriminating himself, it takes two to tango

And it was his willy that was inside her cooch

>>86257547
Hair color doesn't like. If the entire history of your houses intermingling produces one hair color and your children don't have that hair color some fishy shit is going on.

>>86261823
Exposing himself how? She killed the royal family and appointed herself Queen. She has no right to the title. Jaime would be deposing her in the name of Good King Tommen (who suicided) and placing himself as Lord Protector until Dany can be defeated and a Great Council decides who will be King.

>>86261799
I agree.

Realistically a Lannister nephew would have been appointed King with Jamie as regent and the crazy barren bitch Cersei summarily executed.

>>86262013
It was the Lannisters plot to do that from the beginning. The only one who was out of the loop was Tyrion, nobody in his family took him seriously

There are people so sexually deprived they will whiteknight Cercei kek

>>86247412
>stabilize the realm

Wow, where to begin.

>Executed Ned Stark then lost Arya Stark
>Framed Tyrion
>Armed the Faith
>Blew up the Faith, killing hundreds of innocents in the process
>Turned the Tyrells against the crown

The only thing you can't really blame her for is Dorne, they brought that on themselves.

>>86262107
>It was the Lannisters plot to do that from the beginning
What are you talking about? It was a Lannister plot to depose Cersei? It was a Lannister plot to kill the royal family? It was a Lannister plot to make Jaime Lord Protector? Because none of those things are true.

She did not bring her son to the small council to learn and to rule.
She enjoyed unchecked power.
Uncle Kevan demanded exactly that, to serve his king, but she decided to not allow that.

She was also too obsessed with Tyrion to see real danger

She did not get and keep any friends.

In the books she is painted as an drunken, whoring, idiot. I like that show did not went with that so heavy handed as the books.

>>86262175
I only whiteknight her because I think she is qt and because I also have a very loving sister and watching jamie is for me like "I know that feel bro".

>86262226
>Executed Ned Stark then lost Arya Stark
That was all Joffrey. Cersei was completely content with Ned living out his life at the Wall as long as he acknowledged her children as being Robert's.
>Framed Tyrion
Well, to be fair, she was convinved it was him.

>>86262255
>What are you talking about?

I'm talking about how your golden boy Jamie had his hook in the dough way before Westeros fell into complete disarray. He's not innocent, never was

Not even close

>>86257398
S1 GOT is the only good one.

Khal, Ned Stark and Visery were great characters

>>86262354
I still have no idea what you're talking about. You said "it was the Lannister's plot to do that from the beginning". What were you referring to?

>He's not innocent, never was
Everyone knows that. He tries to murder a 10-year old in the first episode.

>>86262390
>Everyone knows that.

I think ppl like you have forgotten, that's why this thread was made

She's not really a 'mad' queen since she has her sanity perfectly intact and she's made reasonable choices considering the circumstancs she's been put into. Mybe the ruthless queen would make more sense

>>86262050
It'd be Estermonts inheriting because the Estermonts have Baratheon blood from their mother. Probably arranged marriage to some Lannister cousin via Jaime.

Clicked her husband with her brother and then never told him the kids weren't even his
Got her husband killed
Didn't speak up to prevent Ned starks beheading
Basically prisoned a stark girl so her evil son could have a queen
Still prisoned her after her evil son decides on a different queen
Gets her brother incarcerated for killing her son with basically no proof
Has a septa raped to death by a giant zombie
Blow up a building full of innocent people
Just to name a few

>>86247412
>waaah why are the pretty incestrous attempted child murdering conspiring to kill the king and an entire church full of everyone they disagree with while not considering all the people unrelated in the general vicinity?
No telling how many kids they murdered who walked in on them fucking in weird dilapidated castles. Also if women like Jaime I automatically find them unnattractive.

>all this incest between immediate family members
This series is great.

>>86249639
>Robert forced the most powerful house to support his regime by tying himself to them through both marriage, which Twyin might well care little about, and debt, which Twywin does care about.
>Has the love of the lord of the Vale and North (Till Robert actually spends significant time around them)
>Is known as a merciful man in order to rid any pretentions about him murdering the targarean children (Let Balon greyjoy remain lord paramont, allowed Dorne and the Reach to surrender and lose almost nothing for supproting Aegon)
>Placed the one lord in charge of those most loyal to the targs who might actually bring them to heel (At no point do the Velaryons or Emmons support Viserys, Stannis was the right choice for Dragonstone)
>knew how to delegate (Only poor choices for small council were Renly and Littlefinger)

Robert wasn't that bad of a king.

>>86250791
>Murder Bobby B
>Get him a little drunk during a hunting trip, something he would have absolutely never done himself

Robert's death was an accident

>>86247446
Do he have to kill Tyrion too? Or it's enough with capturing him?

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>>86253592
>it's implied Cersei and Ned were friends-ish at some point in the past.

Eddard was opposed to Robert's marriage to Cersei because he opposed Tywin Lannister, who he saw as an opportunist and baby murderer.

He only stuck around Kingslanding long enough to attend Robert and Cersei's wedding and then went back home to the North.

>>86253080
>Tywin was in the Riverlands burning the place to the ground. If he was there he would have most likely prevented Ned's beheading knowing the political ramifications of that happening.

Indeed, it's the reason he send Tyrion to Kingslanding to become (temporary) Hand of the King, to prevent Cersei from making the situation even worse.

>>86263295
I would do they same if I were her

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>>86254058
>Cersei is the absolute best at fucking shit up, it's amazing.

Absolutely, Cersei is one of the GOAT characters you love to hate.

Then D&D came on the scene and turned her first into a put-upon single mom just looking out for her kids and now, a stronk queen who don't need no man...

>>86247412
Indirectly and directly brought about a saga of wars that will probably destroy Westeros in the long run (the reach and riverlands are both destroyed meaning very little food, like 40% of the population is either dead or going to die during winter, politicalally everything is in chaos), blew up a massive section of the capital to cover the above, and is just generally a cunt to everyone for no real reason

>>86264582
Let's not forget Lena's probably the worst pick for Cersei. The actress helped turn her into single mom/stronk queen instead of the hot seductress she's supposed to be.

Willing to kill innocent people in order to achieve her own selfish goals. Pretty evil. She also makes a terrible mess along the way because of poor decision making.

>>86250964

I dunno about the show but in the books the Faith's major motivation was basically "All these lords have royally fukt up Westeros, we need to provide food and care to the millions of people affected".

The only real long-term negative consequence I can imagine would've been possible religious conflicts with the North.

>>86251139

That'd be a fun scenario

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>>86257653
>sure, sure thing, I bet you'd love a husband who cheats on you every single day, is obese, alcoholic and treats you like a piece of shit

Cheating by the nobility was perfectly acceptable in that society and even expected and as another anon pointed out, Robert never legitimatized any of her bastards.

Being fat and drunk is a valid complaint but again; in that society it was just something women had to put up with.

And finally, Robert was only shitty to Cersei because was an absolute bitch to him from day #1.

>>86252113

Everything Cersei does is because of he own selfish desire for power. That would put her in shit tier.

>>86257398
>>86257835
Lena Headey has aged badly

>>86265039
The wig doesn't do her favors.
I still would though.

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>>86257703
> Ned was in over his head

True, but he could have easily avoided all that by simply contacting Stannis with the information he had discovered (that Stannis already knew about via Jon Arryn) and waiting for Robert to return from hunting and even wen Robert was fatally wounded, Eddard should have allied with Renly, arrested Cersei and seized Joffrey, Myrcella and Tommen and waited until Stannis could arrive to take things in hand.

Eddard was an idiot is completely accurate.

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>>86261101
>was cersei fucking jamie before she married robert or did she only start after rob called her lyanna?

Possibly but if so, only anal and oral, as Cersei was smart enough to know she needed an intact hymen.

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>>86265269
>Possibly but if so, only anal and oral
Anon, all of her holes were claimed years before she married Bobby B.

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>>86264772
>Let's not forget Lena's probably the worst pick for Cersei.

I don't know who else should have gotten the role but while Lena is a good actress, she immediately comes across as the "Evil Queen" and because D&D are wholly incapable of subtly, that's exactly why they cast her...

I would have gone for someone who looks beautiful not not obviously evil, so that viewers would be shocked at her evil behavior when its revealed.

>>86247412
Cersei is an impulsive, paranoid bitch.
She likes to think she's like her father, but she's not, and she never could be.
Tywin is a great and competent character. But his only mistake, the one that cost him everything, was that he could never embrace Tyrion, tho he saw his potential. He hated him, he hated him because a deformed dwarf killed his beloved on his way out of the womb.
And Tyrion Targaryen theories are shit. Tyrion is a softer and more damaged version of his father.

CHAOS IS A LADDER

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>>86264857
>in the books the Faith's major motivation was basically "All these lords have royally fukt up Westeros, we need to provide food and care to the millions of people affected".

The High Sparrow wanted to impose a theocracy on Westeros, so it was a power grab even if he wouldn't admit it.

>>86265542

That's true but at least it'd be better for the people as a whole, theoretically, to have a major player whose intent was to keep them safe in the name of the gods.

He'd also likely make it that much harder for worst girl when she arrived, possibly.

>>86265320

No, Robert wouldn't have put up with that and Cersei was completely aware that she had to go to the alter a virgin (at least that way...)

>>86257703
this

>>86265660
>alter
i also altered several virgins into not being virgins anymore