Are we entering an age of avant-garde television?

No, we aren't.
One show got cancelled, the other utterly stupefied even the most loyal of Lynch fans. The only way we could have shows like these on a consistent basis is by the means of crowdfunding or very, very niche, micro-budgeted shows

>putting those 2 side by side

twin peaks can't even compare to sam's genius

>>86228260
It's insulting to lynch to compare these shows

>>86228501
>>86228531
Both are very different from anything else on television

>>86228260
I liked some of the skits of World Peace but it's a fucking mockery to put it anywhere near Twin Peaks.

>>86228867
I'm not really comparing it or holding one's standards up to another, I'm simply saying both are very artsy and experimental compared to anything else on TV right now

>>86228260
twin peaks isn't avant garde you dumb retard. and ''le weird stuffs habbening 2 ppls body 0.o" isn't avant garde you fucking idiot. MDE's style is nothing new.

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>>86228488
>utterly stupefied even the most loyal of Lynch fans
you mean coffee and pie Lynch fans.

>>86228260
World Peace was about as "avant-garde" as fucking Loiter Squad,

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>>86228488
budgeted shows

>>86229065
I doubt you've watched word peace apart from a couple skits

>>86228501
Listen, I like both Sam Hyde and David Lynch, but if you think that Sam Hyde's genius is greater than Lynch's, then you're just a retarded kyke

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>>86229535
muh man right here

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David Lunch lol

>>86228260
Twin Peaks S3 is meh. Makes me wonder how Mulholland Drive would've been if it actually became a television series as was originally intended.

>>86229986
lol

>>86229535
this

both shows have been probably the only actual interesting shows (4 ME) in recent times

>tfw Samuel and David will never be your lads

why even lift

>>86230017
s3 is the best so far as all is written by lynch instead of muh soap pie bullshit.

>>86230127
When did you get into the show?

>>86228260
>I'm a /tv/ contrarian and my taste in television is fucking superior starter pack

>>86228554
World Peace is literally just LOLSORANDUMXDDD garbage just like everything else in Adult Swim.

>>86228554
>Both are very different from anything else on television
How was WP "very different" to other sketch shows?

>>86229986

haha

>>86228260
American Gods is more worthy of that title than TP:TR

>>86230017

Lynch made MD as a made for television movie. It actually exists and has most if not all the actors in it as well.
Anyhow, the Return is better than the original. The original is just a soap opera surrounding a paranormal detective show. It was comfy and intriguing but the Return is on a whole other level. Both the comedy and intrigue of the Return knocks the original out of the water.

>>86230590

There's nothing at all avant-garde about American Gods.

>>86230490
They played dark ambient music in the background

>>86230420
>>86230490
t. people who didn't watch the show

>tfw plebs ruin everything
pleb genocide when?

>>86228260
world peace was a sketch comedy show and twin peaks is not much more "avant garde" than a show like Lost

>>86228260
Moon man XD vs quality filmmaking

really makes you think

>>86232286
That's "The Return", not Twin Peaks. which is a whole different ballpark than anything else on television.

I've been holding off from watching the thid season until it ends: is it more in the vibe of the original Twin Peaks or Inland Empire/Fire Walk With Me?

>>86233105
there was much more to it than that

>>86233852
Very Inland Empire in style and tone, but touches leans heavily on FWWM for plot.

>>86234077
>Very Inland Empire in style and tone
Ratings must have gone way down if that's true fucking love it

>>86234123
they have, it's just us /tpg/ autists enjoying it these days as all the normies have been lynched

>>86234239
No wonder Lynch wanted to produce it all in bunk

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>>86228260
Let's be honest world peace was just recycled tim and eric with two or three good spoofs/goofs. And most of that is just because sam hyde gives 0 fucks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIGjr3MuL3g
Would be more fun if it was more offensive but it already got shut down.

Twin Peaks is just absolute shit. Just complete garbage.

>>86234744
>Twin Peaks is just absolute shit. Just complete garbage.
Opinion discarded, I'm going to watch World Peace now because you're probably wrong about that as well

>>86234744
Let's be honest there was literally one sketch that was anythign like Tim and Eric and it seemed to be making fun of their type of comedy

>>86234744
>this thing is edgy and offensive i like it :)
>twin pekas sucks!!!!

>>86234744
He should really stick to vertical videos with his cellphone. It's much better than anything he did on adult swim.

>>86228260
God, I wish. Sadly, both have been utterly rejected.
>Ew is Sam Hyde a member of the alt right? omg I had no idea, I thought he was so funny because his jokes were making me laugh and getting a positive reaction, but now I will ignore that because it must have been some kind of alt right trickery and he must not actually be funny! Cancel his show!!!
>Ummm... lol wtf? I went to my Twin Peaks viewing party dressed as Audrey for the premiere and she didn't even show up??? It was just a bunch of weird nonsense??? Also what's up with all this violence against women??? I'm going to the bar across the street to watch Khaleesi instead

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>>86229986
Ha ha ha ha it's because it's his name and he's eating ha ha

>>86234567
Now that's what I call avant garde.

>>86234814
Twin Peaks is just garbage. It's bad beyond something that is possible to describe. It's like when you were 14 and thought you were a genius and thought you could make a movie no one else had made where like a toad has cockroach wings so avant garde le wow xD. Also there's a hidden meaning not something philosophical not a genius metaphor to explain some deep theory about life no just the plot is encrypted behind cringeworthy CGI looking like something from newgrounds anno 2003 and every scene is way too long so it's like trying to translate finnish in slow motion to get the message "freemasons did it also actors poorly pretending to be stupid is hilarious xD".

>>86234825
Okay it's basically loiter squad meets eric andre meets tim and eric. The humour is mostly in how little sam gives a single fuck. I feel it could have been fun if he got go all out like he wanted. And it had a lot of potential to grow.

>>86234853
Things are funny because they are offensive yes. That is correct.

>>86235235
You are so stupid you don't even know why you are stupid.

>>86230490
it was very unfunny.

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>>86235235
Lynch is somekind of weird Scientology-tier cultist now (look up LynchFoundation) and Sam is a tranny-fucking self-hating closet case.

They are both trash tier.

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>>86235646
Lynch is pretty much a neo-nazi nowadays, actually.

>>86228260
>A cancelled show and a vanity project that almost no one is actually watching means that we've entered a new age of television

>>86235365
Just read the emperors new clothes by H.C. Andersen. It's a kids book. You should be able to handle it. The new TP is a perfect example of the phenomenon.

It's objectively shit. You trend cucks are sad. You 'get it'. I just don't 'get' why a shitty metaphor, dated cgi toad is enjoyable to watch for 30 minutes.

>>86235646
Lycnh's fetish for american cults is the only fun element of the show. From putting his own meditation playlist as the out of place soundtrack to the constant references to everything from freemasonry to moloch to the bohemian grove... Imo that's the good part. And season 1 was kind of comfy in an unintentional way.

Sam being a tranny fucking (and underage girl abusing) crazy person just adds to the show. The setup alone of a pseudo-libertarian beast of a man with mental issues who gives 0 fucks makes for a good spoof and a goof.

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>>86228260
daily reminder that world peace actually does have hidden swastikas

the avant-garde is online where there's more freedom and experimentation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywIfhavpQrQ

>>86236019
Holy shit.

>>86230624
>a made for television movie
It was a tv pilot that ABC didn't pick up. It ended around the scene where they put their wigs on. They shot additional scenes for French money and turned it into a crazy movie, like a much more refined version of Twin Peaks' international pilot.

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>>86235235
what a retard!

>>86234567
Jam is the fucking best. Chris Morris is the man.

>>86230127
>>86230624
Why are Lynch fans so delusional?

>>86228260
i fucking hate bandwaggoners so much

>>86239243
band wagoners*

1 g in wagon, you biggot

>World Peace
>avant-garde
pffr

>>86234077
I don't get the comparison to Inland Empire, it feels more comparable to Mulholland Drive to me

>>86236695
>when he results to ad hominem because he can't argue with it

>>86236095
Are you implying the video you posted is avant-garde?

>>86230192
OG viewer. Watched the original series when they were first broadcast in 1990.

>>86235755
Another good reason to support his work. Dubs confirm.

>>86229986
Haha lol

>>86239853
>being this much of a fag
have a (you)

>>86239853
>le meme fallacy
You're going back

>>86234910
It's the best thing he's ever done.

>>86232286
>twin peaks is not much more "avant garde" than a show like Lost
Epic kek

Post another show that has a scene like this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IKUeIEdRMY

>>86235755
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/david-lynchs-german-guru-angers-students-with-goebbels-rallying-cry-758742.html

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

i call it masochismceore

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>>86229986

>>86241706
Candie look at me

>>86241586
>people losing their minds over literal words

2 minutes of hate tier programming

>>86242504
>One audience member yelled: "That's exactly what Hitler wanted." Mr Schiffgens further enraged the audience when he replied: "Yes, but unfortunately he didn't succeed."

You're fucking kidding me?

>>86235961
>only argument is to go on and on about a cgi frog that appears for five minutes in one episode
>liking a series that has been hugely popular for thirty years makes you a "trend cuck"
edgy 14 year old pseud detected, go back to your thread about batman v superman being kino.

Which show is worse i can't tell

>>86242758
The word that literally translates as invincible germany is what the student was saying 'hitler wanted'. I'm sure hitler didn't coin the word.


The future equivalent will be if anybody ever invokes the idea of making america great again and somebody screaming "THATS WHAT TRUMP WANTED!!".

'yes well unfortunately he didn't succeed'.

Do you see how insane it is to get mad at a person for suggesting that The despised leader failed to accomplish a long standing ideal?

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>>86242870
You're forgetting about context bro, in the context the guy is basically saying he was supporting Hitler achieving an Invincible Germany which means he supports Hitler.

The secong example is the same thing, it becomes clear the guy is a Trump supporter, I don't have anything against someone who supports Trump (even though I think his politics are trash), but saying you support Hitler is a totally different statement.

>>86243069
>You're forgetting about context bro, in the context the guy is basically saying he was supporting Hitler achieving an Invincible Germany which means he supports Hitler.

uh wrong. The context you're viewing his statement in is doctrinal and narrative based. He could be referencing the clearly catastrophic consequences of Hitler's behavior, while still implicitly supporting the general concept of making germany an invincible nation. Its just a wry way of acknowledging that the person whose stated goal was to achieve an idealized solution for a particular problem actually accomplished the opposite of what he wanted.

The indoctrination is in full effect if you are basically checkmated into being a nazi or 'trump' sympathizer the moment somebody attaches your aspirations to the aspirations of the Evil One.

Is it trumpesque to want america to be a great nation? Does that make the lefty as left can get writer of the west wing 'trumpesque'?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPHSXUS0_1c

>>86228260
Yes, MDE is a preview of what's to come when right wingers start gaining traction in the media. It's no wonder they shoa'd him.

>>86242870
>implying Trump won't be the most revered president in modern history

>>86243578
Wow sick contribution bud, you have the best conversational relevance and everybody knows that

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Friendly reminder that it's been confirmed that Eddie Vedder recorded a song that plays during the Twin Peaks finale. It confirms Agent Cooper never gets his mind back. (Pic is evil Cooper)
Listen https://youtu.be/pXth84G7dkM [Embed]

Every decade has "that" show.

oh look

90 posts and 57 users

fuck off hyde you fat downs cowfuck

>>86243238
In fact it's syntax, I just analyzed the sentence. If the guys says unfortunately he didn't succeed it means he wanted that specific leader to achieve it's objective, which is an idealized nation, and that comes with all other bullshit nazism has, which you and I both know (racism, facism, genetic utopia, dichotomy of good and evil, economy and society based upon the progress (good) while wiping the ones that may discuss or critique the ideal they are pursuing).

You're probably a guy that hates PC, and I'm not a big fan of it either, but some statements contain dangerous ideas, and the one good thing PC does is to bash the fuck out of those ideas, even though it creates some paranoia because everything they see now has this dangerous ideology.

But I'm against those idealized goals, those utopias, they are generally dangerous for the people itself when they see it's a lie, for the people who are against it and are the main argument for populists and dictators.

Btw, that clip you sent is bullshit, USA is the greatest economic country in the world and it's better now than it was, they forced dictatorships over some countries (including mine), try to dismantle our business so they have the economic monoply over our countries (FTAA), destroyed Iraq for oil and push their shitty culture of consumerism and some demagogic freedom ideals to the whole world, while everybody know they just want to keep taming the world under its rails.

>>86244209
No saying its unfortunate hitler didn't succeed at making germany invincible is not saying that you want invincible germany accomplished by hitler and hitler alone or bust. It can mean that an invincible germany is a desirable goal, and its unfortunate that a person who tried to accomplish it was a failure. This is the problem with polarizing people against analyzing their values by ascribing them to an evil caricature (which is what the popular concept of Adolf Hitler is).

The clip is bullshit but not because america is great and he is wrong to say otherwise. Its a bunch of idiotic namby pamby rhetoric. The point of the video was to show that 'making america great again' is literally a slogan and concept that predates Trump with a natural audience that can easily be suppressed now that the whole notion of restoring economic and social prosperity to the majority of Americans is tainted by the persona of Donald Trump. That is how a concept with mass appeal gets a bad public image and distorted by the majority's detractors.

>>86244209
I don't think there's much rebuttal to that but that the message can be subjective or that the dude was drunk. Good rebuttal for a discussion that didn't deserve it, cheers.

>>86244413
lol wtf am I being shilled for? Are you pretending to have participated in this conversation? Its been a 1 v1 the entire time.

>>86244461
I'm congratulating you for a good rebuttal mate, not much else.

>>86244512
oh you replied to yourself, I thought somebody else was pretending to be the other anon in this exchange and ending the conversation prematurely. Alright m8 peace among worlds

>>86244551
?

I'm a third anon, not a participant in the discussion.

>>86244657
Your phrasing seems overly familiar and could be misconstrued as being a final remark in the conversation that was being had, which in 4chan parlance makes it seem like you were oy vey shutting it down. At least we all understand what's going on now D:

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>>86243762
Name them all or your mother will die in her sleep tonight

>>86235961
It seems Lynch is actually too deep for you.
Must suck to have an IQ on the double digits m8 : (

>>86244409
>invincible germany is a desirable goal, and its unfortunate that a person who tried to accomplish it was a failure.

The person who tried to accomplish it also was a nazi, so that means that if he accomplished that, nazism would've reigned in Germany.
He could've said: I despise Hitler, but I wanted an Invincible Germany. He would've killed any ambiguity in the sentence, even though there's not ambuiguity, because I'm analyzing the sentence logic, and when he says that phrase we can imply that "The person who tried to accomplish it also was a nazi, so that means that if he accomplished that, nazism would've reigned in Germany as a consequence of the idealistic perpetuator's ideology"

Besides the syntax analysis that wipes any doubt and subjectivity out of his comment, let's analyze what Invincible means.

Who would like to be invincible?

Probably a person who indulges into battles, arguments or any type of activity that implies a victory or a loss. If he wants a country to be Invincible, then he wants a country that reigns over them all, and it's superior to them all. Guess what ideology prays that? Nazism, and that's how it was implanted. By making the people believe in a utopia that they would be fighting to impose their superiority, so they would never even be threatened by a possibility of a loss in any activity that implies its possibility, making them invincible.

>The clip is bullshit but not because america is great and he is wrong to say otherwise. Its a bunch of idiotic namby pamby rhetoric. The point of the video was to show that 'making america great again' is literally a slogan and concept that predates Trump with a natural audience that can easily be suppressed now that the whole notion of restoring economic and social prosperity to the majority of Americans is tainted by the persona of Donald Trump. That is how a concept with mass appeal gets a bad public image and distorted by the majority's detractors.

>>86244409
>>86245434

As you've said, it's a slogan, not an idea. If someone wants to appeal to the ideal of Making a better America they can evade the phrase "Make America Great Again" which is now linked to Trump, since it was his slogan, the same thing applies to "Invincible Germany", it was a slogan.

But man, I understand your point and I see you're a good person, because you won't judge a possible future candidate if he says "I'll Make America Great Again" as you'll believe in his innocence when paraphrasing something like that, because you'll think he's linked to an ideal rather than a slogan. We need more people like you, that don't fall into the PC paranoia and start to misjudge people thinking they're evil and they're trying to manipulate everything, since PC tries to overanalyze things to create this sense of misjudgement and complete vigilance, without even having a space to think in a slightly different way.

It's just that your point with Trump makes some sense, while the German priest doesn't, because it doesn't offer space to interpretation. If what I said above is true about your beliefs, then I say we have a lot in common, and we just disagreed over a slight thing. Anyway, it was great having a discussion with you.

>Two of my favorite shows in one image

Neat

>>86229535
If you didn't realize the joke, then you're just a retarded kyke

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>>86244860
>1990s
Twin Peaks
>2000s
The Sopranos/Breaking Bad
>2010s
The Walking Dead