Hmmmm

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>Clone Trooper
>Trains entire life
Isn't the whole point of the clones that they come out fully grown and trained?

>>86225543
Um, one side clearly one and the other lost, you stupid fuck.

not the best one of these

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Die Cis SCUM!

>cant even meme right
The whole final part of episode 2 is to show that clones>droids
Now go on give your shitty "pretending to be retarded" answer

>>86225574
No they're still kids who have to grow up.
It's just accelerated.

>>86225607
Robots would have won in a straight fight. Order 66 doesn't count.

>>86225543
so now this meme is just
>virgin thing i dont like
>chad thing i like

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>>86225543
Love it

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>>86225574
No, they aren't cloned into full adults. They are cloned as babies and raised into adults. They just do it at like twice the rate I think?

>>86225701
Don't make me cull through script of Episode III, but it was clear the CIS was on its last legs when Order 66 was executed.

>>86225725
>They just do it at like twice the rate I think?
This was based on some EU source. This basically means that unless Kamino had literally had been making billions, if not trillions of clones already, there was no way they could make enough to supply the Republic with troops. The Kamino promise that they could somehow provide more troops given more time was also absurd if they only grew twice as fast. Yet another way the EU was so dumb.

>>86225721
thats how all memes become homogenized m8 is this your first rodeo

>>86225690
That's the joke buddy, sorry to hear that you're a brainlet

>>86225765
The wookies had to cry for help because they were BTFO by droids. Shit they almost invaded corruscant

>>86225882
The CIS was at a point that capturing Grievous would end the war. Seems like they're clearly in a weak position.

>>86225832
I don't think it's only EU. Doesn't she say it aswell? I thought they had like 50-100 years to prepare the clones?

>>86226025
Obi killed grievous and CIS kept on chooching. They only lost because Anakin killed their leadership on mustafar.

>>86226082
Literally Anakin and Yoda say that capturing Grievous would end the war.

>>86225832
They started cloning years before the clone wars.
Qui-gon observes a fuly grown clone army in episode 1 when he's at Kamino

>>86226141
And yet the war continued after they killed grievous. Also:
>believing Jedi lies

>>86226053
Actually, you're right.
It's also said that they're immensely superior to droids. So there.

>>86226230
I'm aware of that, but I find it implausible that a single planet could produce enough clones to supply the entire republic's army, especially since it takes ten years to make a batch of clones.

>>86225543
Roger Roger

>>86226323
The army is half the equation. Who built the ships for the army?

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>>86225543

>>86226238
Okay. Palpatine also said the Senate would continue to vote to continue the war as long as Grievous was alive. I guess he was also lying.

>>86226429
Probably Kuat Drive Yards. It doesn't matter. The CIS could easily outnumber the Republican 100-1 with such a limited ability to produce clones.

>>86226323
If you start production 10 years prior to the war, and just continue producing, you will have a new batch every single year. But the republic should've lost because you can make a billion droids every week on every planet.

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>>86225725
>>86225832
>>86226053
>>86226323
>>86226354
The clone army was commissioned by Sifo-Dyas immediately after the Battle of Naboo, during the events of Episode I. Dyan foresaw the need to create an army and went behind the Jedi council's back.
The recently-defected Count Dooku soon learned of the project, and killed Dyas to take it over. He chose Jango Fett as the clone template not only for his efficiency, but for his ability to kill Jedi (seen in the Star Wars: Bounty Hunter game).
The Kaminoans were already experienced in providing clone armies on a smaller scale. The clones' genes were tinkered with to make them more effective soldiers (more stamina, better at following orders) and to age twice as fast (a ten year old clone was physically 20).
Some of the ships in the Republic Navy were already in use, others were secretly commissioned by Kamino.
By the time of Episode 2, Kamino had 200,000 troopers prepared for immediate deployment, with an additional million that were combat ready. The total number of active clones during the end of the war is not known, but estimated to be between 3-16 million. Additionally, droids outnumbered clones 5 to 1.

>>86225832
>Hello, Kamino Clone Works, how may I help you? You want an army for the whole galaxy? Yes of course sir, right away.

>>86225690
Are they really though? There was also a shit ton of Jedi there and the vehicles seemed to be doing most of the heavy lifting everywhere else

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>>86225543
>B1
>Chad
Fuckinj DYEL manlets, don't you know Chad when you see it?

>>86227241
>dude put all that shit on his debit card

>>86227241
>3-16 million.
This is supposed to be enough troops for a Galactic Republic, with trillions of inhabitants?

>>86227695
>introduce conscription
>no need for clones

>>86226469
who is The Senate

>>86225721
>implying it wasn't always like that

>>86225543
But that's wrong. Rex is on Endor with Han and Leia.

>>86227463
>Chad
>skipping leg day

it checks out

>>86227970
The Galactic Senate?

>>86225723
DUDE

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>>86227695
Like I said, those numbers are estimates. The separatists were still in the minority, so it wasn't necessary for every system to be filled with troops. Additionally, planetary forces were absorbed into the Grand Army of the Republic, and they may have used conscripts as well.

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>>86228020
Rex aint the only one.

There's Cut Lawquane, who quit to raise a family with some Twi'lek whore.

There's Gregor, and Wolffe, and possibly Kix, who also removed their chips.

Probably thousands of Clones who quit, or at least lived comfortable happy lives after the war.

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TRUTH

>>86228130
>those numbers are estimates.
They seem way off even by the most conservative estimate of how many troops should be been available to supply the Galactic Army.

>>86228130
Are tatooine and geonosis in the same system?

Also, why did they fly to tatooine from naboo, if they were trying to get to coruscant with a damaged hyperdrive? Not only is it the wrong way, it's rather far to go with a limping ship.

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>>86228145
As much as I liked the clone wars series, I hate what it did to the clones.
>movies
>clones are perfect soldiers who follow orders unquestionably, execute order 66 without hesitation
>video games and 2003 series
>clones are super soldiers who are fanatically loyal to the chancellor, execute order 66 with some remorse
>2008 series
>clones are dindus with distinct personalities who have to be mind-controlled into executing order 66

>>86225543
garbage. Meme is dead now and you killed it.

more like
>chad rebels
>virgem imperials

search your feelings

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>>86228599
To be honest, the chips make more sense than literally millions of Clones unanimously agreeing to start shooting Jedi.

ROTS already showed the Clones humanized, with banter and names, TCW was just an extension of that.

And if it makes you feel any better, even the Clones WITH chips could feel remorse and stop Order 66 if they really hated what was happening enough. They explored it in the canon Kanan comic, in which one Clone realized what was happening, and sabotages his ship so that the Padawan of the Jedi that had just been killed could escape.

>>86228910
>To be honest, the chips make more sense

maybe for a brainlet that can't understand following orders

>>86225543
Realistically speaking. Think of all the tech in the star wars universe. Why werent battle droids more like human andriods in capabilities?

Think Blade Runner but with combat protocols made.

>>86225607
>one

>>86229380
The Battle Droids were modeled after the Geonosians. Not kidding niether, it was Lucas's idea that droids, much like how we make them here on Earth, would reflect the aliens that made them.

>but Geonosians weren't in Episode 1!
The Nemoidians originally looked like Genosians, Lucas switched around the designs a bit, maintaining the idea that he would show the Battle Droids creators in the following movie.

It's one of my favorite bits of lore to be honest.

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>>86229380
There are some examples (like the droid commandos and tactical droids), but they would be far too expensive to mass-produce.

>>86229509
>>86229532
Yea but how come in the entirety of the star wars universe Im pretty positive we never see an Andriod?

Like imagine the Fallout 4 Snyths. How come all the robots were... well robotic? Did no one in Star Wars try to create a robot that was life like?

If they're clones of a mexican guy, why is the guy in the new movie a black?

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>>86227695
>>86228130
Just for reference 16 Million is the number of US military personnel that served in WW2, that's Army, Navy, Air Force, and everything else. Also only about half were combat soldiers or served in combat zones, most were auxiliary troops (mechanics, paper pushers, recruiters, ect)
1.9 billion people living on earth served in the war.
You're gonna need a lot more soldiers than that to fight in a galaxy with a population of "approximately 100 quadrillion sentients" according to Wookiepedia.
You can't clone enough men to fill that roll.

>>86229613
It's just the aesthetics of the universe.

We do see Luke with a realistic prosthetic hand in ESB, so its possible that the tech exists in universe though. So maybe some day we will see a realistic android

>>86225543
in all seriousness though clone troops just seem like a fiscal nightmare compared to droids

what was the republic thinking, and then we get into the ethical aspect of clone soldiers

>>86225543
Did Jorge actually think we would have any emotional interest for either side when it's robots vs disposable clones?

>>86225607
The outcome of the Clone Wars was already decided before it began, the Confederacy was never meant to win, the internal factions have no reason to work together other than their hate for the Galactic Republic and the jedi, if they won the war the separatists would splinter into sub groups and the galaxy would be divided

The purpose of the Clone Wars was to thin out the jedi and centralize as much power as possible, by the time Revenge of the Sith rolls around the Galactic Empire has already been established in everything but name

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>>86229613
>he doesn't know about Human Replica droids
Again, they're just crazy expensive to produce and not all that practical. Only the elite of the elite can afford them.

>>86225543
Clone Troopers made sense as special units in reserve. A really good force multiplier with he elite training and everything.

But as an entire army? Kind of retarded. Because Clones like normal men get killed before they ever get into the fight. Get shot of out of sky in the transport. Get Sniped when landing and ect.

The best Idea would have been use Droids as a main landing opening. Then the clones come in when the Driods have established positions and the clones flank and destroy the enemy who is now pinned.

Driods can be built every minute. Clones take years.

>>86225832

It's almost like the prequels are poorly written and fall apart under scrutiny.

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>>86227241
>The Republic of dozens if not hundreds of entire worlds doesn't have any military between them

>>86229770
>Again, they're just crazy expensive to produce and not all that practical. Only the elite of the elite can afford them.

Okay makes sense. Kind of seems like a cop out. Because the Star Wars Universe Tech wise has been basically stuck in the same level for literally Thousands of Years. Youd think someone would create cheap andriods WestWorld Style to fight battles

>>86229825
Most Worlds had their own garrison forces like Naboo had the Security Council.

Imagine if the United States of America had no official army. But Florida has its own Forces so does New Jersey and Some states dont but they dont necessarily take orders from the President but the Governor of their states,

Thats the best example of the Republic. No central military until the Clone Troopers led by the Jedi.

>>86229959
I also imagine the Republic had some sort of security force

In the game Bounty Hunter you fight prison guards on Oovo IV which always looked like what I would consider be the standard appearance of Republic troops before the Clone Wars, they had helmets similar to the Imperial Navy Troopers, and the rebel soldiers, and they had what looked like dark green body armor and protective googles, there were also security drones with the Galactic Republic insignia

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>>86229862
Part of that is because Knights of the Old Republic was given the same design aesthetic as the movies, contradicting stuff like Tales of the Jedi, which had a more ancient feel to it.

>>86228910
I think it would have been more interesting if all clones didn't follow through with 66 as neatly as they did. Would've been believable and you wouldn't have had to insert the chip nonsense. I think there would've been a lot more interesting ideas with regards to order and the morality of following commands if they went that way

>>86230217
It's not really ancient though if you still have droids, laser swords, and FTL travel

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>>86227241
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVzc20Bm8Xo

That reminded me of this, nice lore you got there George

>>86229619
Stormtroopers and First Order troopers aren't clones

>>86229825
I guess it could be similar to Renaissance England, where each county had it's own militia for defence but the system was unsuitable for offensive warfare because the militias weren't equipped to travel outside their regions, hence the creation of the New Model Army which could operate on a national scale.

>>86225725
Stop posting pictures of my daughter, thanks.

>>86229656
Not all of those were infantrymen though.

We see that the Republic Navy, except for fighter pilots, is not made up of clones. Presumably all the logistics work, high command, beauracracy, etc are also not made up of clones.

Awful example belying a brainlet level of understanding about how much non-combat work goes into running a modern army. Please spend a few weeks on /his/ and your local library before posting in my presence again. Thanks.

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>/tv/ likes disney marvel wars jj Abrams by the book executive rehash more than the prequels
>now we get force minion seals designed by an executive think tank

say it with my, I'm sorry George.

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>>86230520
underrated post

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>Takes 10 years to train new recruits

Clones are shit-tier, even ignoring the massive ethical issues of breeding your own slave race to use as cannon fodder.

Robots > meatbags.

>>86225543
>chad droid
>posts dyel droid

>>86225543
>entire life
What, like 10 years?

>>86225725
>>86225832
I figured the intro of Republic Commando happens in the span of maybe a few years at most, thats the only piece of EU I've seen that shows the Clones life/training

>>86228145
Kix doesn't count, he was frozen and came back like thousands of years after all that shit

>>86231219
Yeah, if you're ten years old, your entire life is ten years, believe it or not.

>>86226323
The clone army had two full batches ready on day 1 and basically nothing happened except skirmishes for the first year of the war

>>86228517
They're basically next to each other

>>86228910

>To be honest, the chips make more sense than literally millions of Clones unanimously agreeing to start shooting Jedi.

Why? Clones are literally genetically bred to follow orders. They're only barely a step above being robots themselves.

>>86231509
They were adjusted for obedience so they'd actually function as soldiers rather than all turning out like Jango and being completely uncontrollable. That doesn't mean they're barely a step above being robots, the sales pitch for them is their ability to think creatively.

>>86231509
Except this isn't true, they are human and function as such. They have thoughts and feelings too.

Do one for twi'leks and togruta.

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>>86228910
>to be honest, the chips make more sense

>>86230515
>Not all of those were infantrymen though.
From your post

>Also only about half were combat soldiers or served in combat zones, most were auxiliary troops (mechanics, paper pushers, recruiters, ect)
From my post

You fucking idiot.

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>>86231509
>They're only barely a step above being robots themselves
I find is so strange that this is a direction the series never explored.
I mean imagine being one of hundreds of millions of yourself, born and raised to fight for a government that has done nothing but sent you off to die. Since you were born, all you have known is war, and the only people you have interacted with are just other poor cut-outs of yourself. Your brothers who you've watched die beside you over and over until you have come completely desensitized to it. That is the image of your own death.
Then one day the fighting stops. The war, what you were born for, and what your brothers died for, is over. You thought you would die but you didn't, and it makes you wonder what makes you so special, why so many other versions of you didn't make it. You're expected to move on now but what is there to move on to? What is your purpose?
You realize only at the end that you and your brother were never any different from the piles of scrap metal you put down in the war. Completely disposable. Born to die, and yet you're still alive.

>>86225721
>being this thick

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>>86234496
Lucas had so much he could have explored with them but he didn't.
People give old Georgie a lot of shit for a lot of stuff but he always focused on strange stuff that most people found boring.

>>86234496
It was probably never explored because there was always war within their lifetime and George Lucas is a hack

>>86234496
This has been explored in multiple TCW and Rebels episodes though.

>>86234735
>George Lucas is a hack
Eat shit

>>86234496
That's why most clones you see in the CGI show have slightly different inflections in their voice and wear their armor slightly differently, they're trying to escape the fact that they're one step above robots

>>86225543
It wasn't mentioned for some reason but there was a droid that was force sensitive and another droid that learned how to feel emotions and became a farmer

>>86234895
Not canon

>>86234940
The force sensitive droid is canon but the droid who felt emotions was a what if story. Droids being force sensitive is extremely rare though. If you want I will provide the source for the force sensitive droid.

>>86226230
You mean Obi-Wan in episode 2

>>86229773
George Lucas took a lot of inspiration for the prequels from the birth of the Roman Empire, as well as other similar political coups. I think he came to the conclusion that in order to come to power, Palpatine needed a loyal army and a crisis. Since the Clone Wars existed as a vague concept since Episode IV but hadn't been explored, he used it for both purposes.
I get the overall impression that he tried to take as much inspiration from history as possible with the prequels, both in film style (stilted acting and cheesy romance) and plot. Maybe he read The Prince by Machiavelli? It reads like it was practically addressed to Sheev.

>>86235115

Romans and Third Reich with the Reichstag fire. Literally led to emergency war powers that would never be relinquished.

>>86235038
It's the other way around; Skippy the force sensitive droid was part of a non-canon gag story, 4LOM tried to learn emotions.

>>86235187

Oh, and Order 66 is literally Night of the Long Knives.

>>86235192
The droid I'm talking about didn't learn emotions though the story was about a droid who was in a war gets his head fucked up and reboots feeling emotions and becomes scared runs off and gets confronted by another droid who tells him to come back and to stop disobeying orders something happens to that droid where he becomes immobile and the droid that rebooted comforts him as his battery life drains away. The other droid shuts off and the rebooted droid decides to enjoy nature before he inevitably gets shut down. Winter passes and buries him in the snow until the snow eventually melts and two farmers find him and give him work and a purpose to live besides war. Also Iron Knights are canon and they're force sensitive droids.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBthWz2LGCg

>>86225723
WEED

>>86229773
>>86235115
>>86235236
God dammit George.
The Clones could have been just the elite units of the Republic army, like the SS. And when Palatine comes to power he has complete support from the clone units. We could have seen conflict from clone and not clone units, just like the real life Wehrmacht/SS friction.
That would fill in the issue of running an intergalactic war with only 16 million clones, they would be a fraction of the overall republic army.

>>86235236
And Rogue One is the Uranverein if it had been successful

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>>86235401
Oh, ok. I hadn't heard that before. However, Iron Knights are force sensitive crystals that inhabit droid bodies.
Not sure if that's worse.

>>86227463
Chaddest

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ALL HAIL CHAD

>>86235724
It's fucking scary is what it is have you ever seen the video of the diseases that are in the star wars universe it's some fucked up shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zJ2EYPUxYA there was supposed to be a star wars zombie game where you play as a squad of clones killing infected clones on a base. It was supposed to be similar to Dead Space and got canned.

>>86225721
Pretty much. I don't even think people make these to laugh at, cause they aren't funny just "haha I get that reference!"

>>86230294
well they don't have maps of the galaxy of that time

>>86229509
Tfw the lore book for episode 1 says that they were modelled after Nemoidian mummies.

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>>86228172
>clones vs robots

could they have made this war any more meaningless or less emotionally engaging?

>>86228517
The asspull explanation for it is that the Coruscant and the other core worlds are surrounded by an asteroid-filled hellhole that's really hard to navigate so ships have to make multiple hyperspace leaps to traverse it.

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>>86235192
>there will NEVER be a 4-LOM movie in your lifetime

>>86225607

Beta Revolution finally suceeded. Bravo Lucas!

>>86234496
There was a lot of really neat stuff they could still explore (and started to explore a bit in the EU). One of my favorite clone moments in TCW is a background line where two clones are talking in the barracks on Kamino. One is like "So then I said to her-" and the other cuts him off and says "You've never even met a girl". The culture and mini-society that must have formed on Kamino would be really interesting to see built out, but the LSG probably won't spend the time

>>86227463
best scence is when he pushes a lesser droid away.

>>86236280

That's really dumb considering you have routed hyperspace lanes that are safe. That explanation completely doesn't work.

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>>86227241

The 3 million units doesn't mean individual soldiers, it means units from platoons, companies, regiments, etc.

The Clone Army was way larger than in the millions. Unfortunately by war's end half of them were dead in combat. Many deserted to their cultural home world of Mandaloria.

>>86232284
>>86232346
see
>>86234496

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>>86225543

>Going up against copies of an elite race of soldiers (mandalorians)
>Having to spend 20 droids just to kill one Clone
>CIS has literally China in the Korean War-tier quality infantry
>""better option""

Thanks for your input...COMMIE

>>86236864

>throwing away human life and resources against an army of robots, when a big magnet would do the job.

gj republic you had it coming

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>>86227241
>believing this shit
>not accepting that Sifo-Dyas was just an alias of Sheev

>>86225646
sauce and penor

>>86235758
Why is an Ironborn wearing T-45d armour?

>>86236864
>Clones
>Mandalorian
>Jango
>Mandalorian
HAHAHA

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Feed me clones

>>86238184

>Tfw Nar Shadar fags try to call Mandalorians, Shadarians, in order to associate their inferior nigger genes with the prime Mandalorian ones.

Super-Cuck please. Go join the Imperial or Rebel foot troops.

>>86225723
LMAO

I wonder how the guy who spammed this meme originally on every board is feeling right now.

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>>86225543
>>86225723
>>86227463
>>86235724
>>86238490
t. Roger

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>>86238721

I can't wait until the next battlefront releases so i can slay me some clones day in day out <3

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>>86237408
My negro he was in the Clone Wars

>>86235069
shit

>>86228172
can this cartoon get even more FLAT.

ew

>>86239239
Th shit are you talking about

>>86236272
>hasn't watched the show
>Doesn't know that there are dozens of episodes dedicated to humanizing the Clones so that you care about them

>>86239239
I dare you to find a better cgi series. George Lucas funded it out of his own pocket, and each episode cost around $1million.

>>86228172
>[it ain't sheev playing]

>>86239290
>>86239331
looks like complete shit.

the non-3D cartoon had better art direction.

>>86239331
Ignore him, he's a genddyfag, the bottom of the barrel Star Wars fans

>>86228172
>objective: survive

>>86239639
you have to be 18 to post here, kiddo :^)

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>>86239714
Right back at ya

>>86237738
well thats a pretty beta faggot question anon

>>86238794
Not canon.

>>86241688
it is though

>>86241688
U wot

>>86229959
>The Galactic Republic is literally the USA under the Articles of Confederation
I guess that's why it was so useless.

>>86227463
Why the fuck couldn't the Clone War cartoon just animate the movie designs? Why make them more retarded?

Nevermind having the visual quality of a high school AV club project...

>>86229619
>mexican guy
He's a Kiwi, m8

>>86235115
Could've made the clones the super secret army Sidious used, instead of the Separatists. Have them come swarming out of the Unknown Regions. No one knows who they are or where they came from.

Instead of Anakin being a whiny little cubt we follow from 9 to whatever the fuck, have him already be a Jedi. Follow him through the war, seeing so much death and destruction over and over again. Have the Jedi so desperate to end the fighting they start doing questionable things. Palpatine builds on that, introducing him to Padme or fucking whatever who is a Senator who wants peace. Secret romance and kids follow. Anakin is now fighting for a peaceful Galaxy for his children.

Jedi argue with Padme, make it clear the only way through peace is destruction of the clones. Sets up the conflict with Anakin without him being a whiny emo cunt.

Have Padme find out that Palpatine is behind the whole fucking deal, and she's spirited away by Obi-Wan. Except Palpatine gets to Anakin first and says "yo nigga, Obi-Wan killed you wife". Sets up Anakin's motivations for going full fucking aggro on the Jedi; they've become the very thing they seek to destroy.

Simultaneously, Jedi try to take Palpatine out as per movie. They fail, Palpatine uses "attempted couple" as reason to wipe them out, as per movie.

Have Palpatine "discover" the home of the clones, huge climatic battle that Anakin gets fucked up in, leading to Vader, etc etc. Palpatine uses this to convince Vader the only way to keep the Galaxy safe, for people like his "dead" children, is to end all conflict. Sets up love for his "dead" kids, hatred of the Jedi for supposedly killing his wife, despair at what he's become.

Have Padme die in childbirth or show her giving Luke to what's his face and Leia to Bail.

Same political intrigue, same battles, same romance, same outcome. Without Anakin being an emo cunt, without his whiny temper tantrums, without the THEYRE JEALOUS OF MAH POWA.

>>86236543
>Mandaloria
Mandalore you fucking nigger