DCs Contribution to television and Film

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>>86182454

>Also the CBM with the greatest and long lasting memes.

>>86182416

So many oscars and Emmys. I wonder how many the MCU has?

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>>86182638
This is just as important a contribution as the others in my opinion. Intentionally or not, they've given me untold hours of laughter and entertainment.

>>86182416
The biggest problem with Marvel is that they translated the worst things about the mainstream American comic industry into the film industry, with all the continuity bullshit taking over story quality, and "editorial" interference and committee decisions over artistic vision and creativity.
DC/WB tried to keep a more traditional movie making approach by giving directors the reins over the movies but they completely fucked up by having Snyder be the guy who did it.

Do any Marvel animated movies match up to Dark Knight Pt1&2, Under The Red Hood, Year One, etc?

>>86183238
>Dark Knight Pt1&2, Under The Red Hood, Year One, etc
Why would you pick these films when you have original content like Shadow of the Phantasm, Sub Zero and Return of the Joker. Going the adaptations route is what is killing WB animation. It's nothing but shit nowadays, on par with Marvel.

>>86183329
Because if there was anything on the level of Phantasm, I'd probably have heard of it.
Not looking for miracles here, just something half-decent.

>>86183329

They're still good IMO. Far better than anything Marvel has produced.

>>86183329

Gods and monsters was great. Watch the character shorts as well

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>>86182416

>>86183517
I did, too bad it failed so they pretty much scrapped original films again, except for cashgrab garbage like Batman & Harley.

>>86182416
What about Marvel's oscars?

I genuinely liked Ironman 1 and parts of 2, but felt like they really fucked the MCU beyond that. If they let directors do what they want, I think the series could have been genuinely good. I was really excited about Egdar Wright's Ant-man, but he got booted off and we ended up with a sterile TV looking movie instead. Overall I think the way they handled Ironman in general is very telling.

>Wasted Demon in a Bottle in the third film in the fucking franchise
>Threw away Extremis as a b-plot
>Turned Tony in to a happy go lucky quip maker
>Threw away Civil War without killing Cap

It's more just a series of wasted opportunities that might appease normies, but long time Marvel fans are pissed.

>>86183001
Worst character introductions in history.

>>86183441

The current animated movies are all awful. The New 52 was a mistake.

>>86183708
There's no academy award for budget

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>CBM
>continental ballistic missile
>cock and ball mutilation

>>86183190
>continuity bullshit taking over story quality
Hahahahahaha, writers ignore contuinity all the time

>>86183887
I feel exactly this same way. Marvel has good material. Disney refuses to treat it with anything remotely akin to respect. To them, it's all about the normiebux, and it's been that way for a long time.

Don't misunderstand. I know that any big budget filmmaker is in it for the money, but I think too many times Disney's more interested in being inoffensive than trying to tell a compelling story. It's like they've forgotten that when you strip away all the bells, whistles, cheap laughs, and big explosions, there's got to be a compelling story there.

I'm actually wondering if the brand is starting to sour on the public's taste a bit. Homecoming, despite having the best, most relatable and compelling villain they've ever had, was an incredibly safe, risk-averse story.

>>86184199
Just because they do a shitty job, but you can't ignore than comic book writing is driven mostly by continuity, and that's why they need to do retcons and reboots and bullshit like that instead of simply telling a new story.

>>86184375
I am pretty sure Nolan, Spielberg and Cameron have proved beyond doubt you can make original blockbusters and still make money.

Heck MCU has made billions paying it safe would it hurt them to make one experimental movie.

Heck even warnerbros gave Nolan a big budget for Dunkirk as a thank you for previous hits.(he turned that into a massive hit as well so there's that).

Disney just hires TV directors who are just happy to be there. The big ones that they do hire won't be making original films with Disney. Pixar is the the only worthwhile studio in Disney and the biggest loss to the industry is that we lost Pixar to those hacks.

>>86185552
>original
Well, it depends on what you mean by original. These filmmakers are actually quite conservative and traditional, and the stories and film language they use in their movies are anything but original, maybe with the exception of some of the earlier works of Spielberg, which were somewhat groundbreaking.
Cameron only implemented some technical innovations, and Nolan not even that.

>>86186423
At this point by "Original" I mean not mind numbingly generic and derivative as marvel. It doesn't have to be unique.

I used those directors as example because though they might not Kubrick or Tarkovsky they do at least make some elements of the film unique or innovative.
For Nolan I would say Dunkirk(the only similar war movie I could think of s Thin red line) and memento were quite unique and even Batman Begins did something with the genre that hadn't been done before.

>>86182416
DC also invented a technique that's still alive today called rotoscope

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>>86187237
DC Comics didn't even exist in 1915.

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DC is based as fuck. They have the best comics, best animations and best films. Marvel is generally for kids and nu-males.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j73IkjslvoM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5Cdguyut8s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDMQ3tXNKgM
how can marvel even compete

>>86188306
>that alex ross aesthetic
I thought Ross was working for Marlel now, has he done anything worth of mention? I know what Waid is doing and I don't want to talk about it

>>86183238
>Do any Marvel animated movies match up to Dark Knight Pt1&2, Under The Red Hood, Year One, etc?
Hulk vs Wolverine and the Ultimate Avengers movies

>>86188211
I am so fucking hype for this movie.

>>86182416
DC were around longer so... also marvel are changing (have changed) the whole cinematic dynamic by introducing a shared universe that everyone even DC are trying to copy

>>86183329
Justice league dark was fantastic imo

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>>86188677
>that image though
batman is nothing without his rogues gallery

>>86188783
you do know whedon has his sticky fingers all over it right?

>>86188997
>implying anybody would be hyped by Snyder

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>>86188997
Zack has the legal right to release a Director's Cut according to the Director's Guild. If he botches it too much, maybe Zack will pull another Ultimate Cut on us?

>>86189075
That bottom right is a... painting?

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this is DC

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>>86189039
SHUT IT DOWN GOY

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>>86189137
this is marvel

>>86189132
Yes, a digital one, which are 100 times easier to make than actual paintings. All you need to do is get a bunch of dudes behind computers to do what you just doodled for them.

>>86188895
>Justice league dark was fantastic imo
A complete hack job, terrible animation, a stupid plot, wasted potential and butchery of characters. Just like the comic it was based on!

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>>86189132
It is capekínographé.

>>86189278
>complete hack job
i feel you're over reacting a tad there senpai

>terrible animation
it was serviceable but yeah

>a stupid plot
A supernatural detective plot with a twist i didnt see coming... it was decent imo

>wasted potential and butchery of characters.
I dont read comics so cant give an opinion but what was so bad about it?

>>86189212
wtf... context?

>>86189609

Batman never believing in the occult, John Constantine acting like Harry Potter, and so much other shit. Terrible characterization all around.

>>86188724

They're so beyond mediocre.

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How can DC animation compete?

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>>86189132
It fucking should be.

It also cracks me up when brain lets bitch about Snyder just "lifting panels" from the comics, when this is one of the most iconic images in the film and it's all his, from storyboard to screen.

>>86190145
I'm sorry DCuck, Snyder could have each frame painted by michelangelo and the story would still be garbage.

>>86190290
I'm sorry MCUck that you're visually illiterate unable to process the frame as part of the story.

>>86190352
Visuals dont count for shit if the product is hollow you dumb fuck

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SHAZZAAAAM

>>86190447
It's not hollow. There is nothing in the field with as much substance. Can you think of anything?

>>86190513
>dude martha
yeah, thats a lot of substance. winter soldier had a deeper message than bvs

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>>86190447
You watched a movie where Lex Luthor nearly gave the government Superman on a leash, and since you're too stupid to incorporate the visuals into the narrative, interpret all the taunts Lex laid down, and put two and two together, you won't believe any of it until you read it on a website five or so years from now.

>>86190597
>winter soldier had a deeper message than
Not him but this sentence is false no matter how it ends

>>86190652
WS is a political thriller more than a cbm and deals with the ever infringing government on personal freedom, yes its a lot deeper than bvs

>>86190622
The story doesnt do the visuals justice. You can paint the most beautiful painting of a turd; its still a turd at the end of the day

>>86182416
Marvel is making light hearted movies with some serious and dark moments but DC, mostly Snyder and Nolan, is making dark and gritty movies with some light hearted moments. Guess which the audience likes better.

>>86190145
>and it's all his, from storyboard to screen.
Source? Big budget movies like this aren't storyboarded by the directors themselves.

>>86190850
>WS is a political thriller
jej I'll read the rest someday, don't worry

>>86190622
>and since you're too stupid to incorporate the visuals into the narrative, interpret all the taunts Lex laid down, and put two and two together
?

>>86190937
Snyder storyboards his own movies. He's something of a painter too, from what I understand.

>>86190908
>Guess which the audience likes better.
Counting Nolan? DC without a shadow of doubt. I think the DCEU has a higher domestic average than the MCU and it would have a higher global one too had Suicide Squad been released in China

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>>86190622
>All those references to the number 2.
I'm onto you, Dent.

>>86188966
Only Spiderman's gallery can compete.

>>86191075
I asked for a source, retard.

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>>86190850

>>86191191
>R-Rated Carnage movie never ever
Haha yeah fuck you Mickey

>>86191231
>xenophobia and hating muslims make any media good
proof that all these snydercucks are /pol/ retards

>>86191198
http://heroichollywood.com/zack-snyder-shares-look-creating-storyboard-deathstroke/

>>86191320
Looks like he's going over someone else's storyboard

>>86191314
God damn. Is your reading comprehension really that bad? If someone makes a movie painting the Catholic Church as the bad guy, in your head, does that translate to "all Catholics are evil?"

>>86191140
Now just drop The Dark Knight from that equation and you get an idea of the more recent picture.

>>86191373
http://www.slashfilm.com/zack-snyder-reveals-watchmen-storyboards/

>>86191231
>calls out Islam
>casts a Jew as Wonder Woman
>casts a secret Muslim as Batman
(((Based)))

>>86188852
So Marvel introduced the most cancerous gimmick that is killing the movie industry right now? And they didn't even invent it. And Marvel has had cartoons since the 60s and movies since the 80s, yet have never accomplished nothing like what thr OP says.
Also, you are retarded if you think the MCU is innovating in any way or form. If anything they will run the whole genre to the ground with fucking three capeshit movies a year, six with the X-men stuff.

>>86191448
They have a higher per-film average at the box office *without* Nolan. Including the Nolan trilogy would only widen the gap.

>>86191448
How about I drop the Avengers from the equation too you dishonest cuck. Also I meant DCEU as in the cinematic universe, from Man of Steel to Wonder Woman

>>86191476
So he basically copies comic books?
Also it's clear the new storyboard wasn't made by him, he draws like a 13 year old.

>>86182454
Lazy criticism. That's actually a pretty important thematic scene.

>>86191533
>If anything they will run the whole genre to the ground with fucking three capeshit movies a year,
Don't worry, DC is catching up with them

>>86190850
>WS is a political thriller more than a cbm and deals with the ever infringing government on personal freedom
You can't be serious right now. Maybe you should watch real political thrillers so you know how retarded that statement was.

>>86191668
>Aquaman is the only DC movie to be released in 2018
Nah, DC won't be the ones to kill capeshit.

>>86191694
It's actually pretty common in political thrillers to have a nazi evil scientist turn himself into a computer from the 60s and then explain the whole bad guys' plan to the main character for no reason moments before blowing up for no reason, actually.

>>86191578
Stop moving the goalposts, faggot.

>>86191738
It will be Fox or Sony. Those greedy cunts want a piece of the capeshit pie even though their respective universes are just not interesting or complex enough to warrant a cinematic universe. Sony wants to make a Black Cat movie without Spider-man, Fox wants to make a Dr. Doom movie without the Fantastic Four or any other hero. Fuck them.

>>86191533
>And they didn't even invent it.
who did?

>>86192113
Universal with the Monster movies or even Toho with their kaiju movies.

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>>86189938
how can marvel animation even compete

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Justice League unlimated, Batman Beyond and of course BTAS are all DC kino

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>>86192343
>WB won't hear my pitch about a live action The Man Who Killed Batman movie because I'm not jewish
How do you cope with these feels bros?

>>86192491
I cope by posting anti semitic memes on /tv/ and denying the Holohoax.

>>86192087
Dude, they release fewer CMBs *combined* than Disney does. Disney fully intends to milk its newest cash-cow dry. Stop for a moment and really think about how many movies from the MCU are absolute filler, all so they can angle toward Infinity War.

There are six stones. Fourteen movies, and no, there are absolutely at least three to five of those movies that you could cut with a tighter, more focused narrative. If anyone kills CMBs, it's going to be Disney.

Hell, they could have ret-conned Raimi Spider-Man into their films without so much as missing a beat, but instead, we got the resoundingly mediocre Himecoming, because Disney likes to pretend the audience is too stupid to keep two different Spider-Men straight after we've had five decades of James Bond.

>>86192343
This gave me so, so many feels.

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>>86192369
Aren't you forgetting a kino? justice league action is kino too

>>86192676
But at least they are competently made and the masses like the brand. Sony on the other hand only releases shit movies and I doubt their spider-man cinematic universe without spider man is going to be any different. In any case, they will at least fuck themselves over if not the entire genre so at least that's good.

>>86193115
>Aqualad is gay now
fuck this shit

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>>86193358
>implying he wasn't always a fag
wow..... lad

>>86193515
Even by final fantasy standards; tidus is by far the most homosexual protagonist

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>>86190970
There's good reason to believe that Lex is tied to A.R.G.U.S. For those who don't know, that's the parent organization to which Amanda Waller and Task Force X report. Lex, in his characteristically cryptic fashion, taunts both Lois as well as the audience with this information. When she confronts him at Lexcorp Tower claiming to have proven his involvement in the Senate bombing and the smear campaign against Superman, he replies with this:

>"Oh, I'm afraid that's all just going to blow away like sand in the desert. Next category:CIRCLES! Round and round and round they go to find Superma-mmmmmm no, no, no. Wrong category, boy. Next category: TRIANGLES! Yes, Euclid's triangle inequality - the shortest distance between two points is a straight path, and I believe the straightest path to Superman is a pretty little road called Lois Lane."

This is Lex doing what he loves - taunting people with information in a way that they can't possibly grasp at the present time. Within the narrative of the film, this is a double entendre, referring to the money that will armor Lex against Lois's claims, in another way, it's possible he's alluding to how all this will cease to matter once the New Gods arrive, and it becomes a reference to a Thaumaturgic Triangle, a magic circle used in evocations and summoning.

But as the story progresses and more revelations come to light in Suicide Squad, it becomes apparent that it might, in fact, be a triple entendre referring to A.R.G.U.S.'s official seal. The Latin motto at the bottom translates to "Our Search Begins," and given the fact that Lex is clandestinely gathering information on metahumans, there's good reason to believe this tech giant is the means by which they're finding them. This is why Lex doesn't fear Lois's accusations - these circles and triangles. He's too rich to care, too big to fail, and too valuable to lose.

Argus: from Greek myth, a giant with a hundred eyes.

>>86194959
t. Mr. Autismo

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>>86193515
>>86193358
>not impulse and blue beetle
it's shit

>>86194959
I pity DCucks sometimes, their imaginations far outstrip anything the dceu can ever deliver

>>86183925
you don't think it's cool that luthor both named and provided logos for the superheroes?

>>86196522
And what that implies?

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>>86192369
They did.

>>86190908
>Marvel is making light hearted movies with some serious and dark moments
i laughed enough one for one day. please stop anon

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>>86193115

Justice League Action is horrible.

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>>86194959
Oh come on, man. You don't really believe this, do you? Look, I'm a huge DC comics fan, and even fan of Greek philosophy and classical literature, but the level to which people analyze and theorise about the frankly non-existent themes and symbolism in these films are RIDICULOUS. Do you really think that David Goyer and a literal who with one writing credit to his name packed a big budget superhero movie with this much care and complexity? I mean really think about it for a minute, does that seem plausible, or even really possible? It's time to stop with thee delusions, man. Pick on some actual philosophy and pensive films and stop defending a popcorn movie as some intellectual mastercraft of the genre, it's just embarrassing.

>>86199713
Yeah, I do. Terrio's what, Harvard-educated? He seems like exactly the kind of guy that would incorporate details like this into a story - a guy who given the option of just banging out a script, instead kind of falls in love with the lore and turns into a kid in a candy store.

>>86199713

Even if you ignore the Greek shit aspect, the fact that the movie had the A.R.G.U.S. symbol during the opening act of the movie, coupled with what Lex taunted Lois with, goes to prove that Lex had government backing. That's no theory. The image is there.

I mean, you can check the comics or the The CW shows. Everybody can see that the A.R.G.U.S. became the new "IT" government shadowy organization that works with the heroes and meta-humans.

>>86200953
I think that their entire mandate is all about finding ways to *force* metahumans into government service. In essence, it's the "Sokovia Accords" done right. You don't need new laws to stop vigilantes. That shit's already illegal.

I can almost guarantee you that A.R.G.U.S. in the films will be all about policing metahuman/vigilante activity, giving them the option to either sign on with and reveal their identities(at least to the government) or go to jail and become fodder for the Squad.