Why are people who hate this film so completely incapable of

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>>86120535
Stop the fucking falseflag threads you mouseguat.

i like it because i feel like i'm actually watching a movie and not a two-hour long tv episode

>>86120535
I can explain to you why I disliked it.
1) Superman is reduced to a secondary character in his own film.
2) Lex Luthor is reduced to a ADHD Zuckerberg with none of the control that the character is known and loved for.
3) The color gradient used for this film makes everything look bland and unappealing without actually adding character to the film
4) The theatrical release cuts out crucial parts of the plot and stores them away for the extended edition (not technically an error with the film, but an underhanded business decision nonetheless)
5) The death of Superman plotline is spent on the SECOND MOVIE OF THE FRANCHISE

Honestly, this entire film is what convinced me that Snyder had no idea what to do with Superman. Man of Steel wasn't perfect, but at the very least it was the groundwork for establishing the Superman that we all know and love. BvS, however, made it abundantly clear that Snyder was only interested in Batman, and was completely willing to send Superman into the shadows, to the point of literally sending him to an early grave.

>>86121106
Snyder WANTED to do MoS 2 for the second installment in the DCEU, but WB forced him to incorporate Batman because MoS didn't make 1 billion+.

>>86121106
>1) Superman is reduced to a secondary character in his own film.
Since when was this his own film?
>2) Lex Luthor is reduced to a ADHD Zuckerberg with none of the control that the character is known and loved for.
Literally "NOT MUH LECKS". Hackman didn't have any control he was a crook con-man, barely any resemblance to the old Lex besides he's bald.
>3) The color gradient used for this film makes everything look bland and unappealing without actually adding character to the film
Don't know what you're talking about, it looked dark but beautiful.
>4) The theatrical release cuts out crucial parts of the plot and stores them away for the extended edition (not technically an error with the film, but an underhanded business decision nonetheless)
Legitimate criticism. I applaud you.
>5) The death of Superman plotline is spent on the SECOND MOVIE OF THE FRANCHISE
This isn't the last of Doomsday, they confirmed it. It's not really Death of Superman as it is Superman dying and coming back again

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>>86120535

>>86121229
This is probably also why it took three years after MoS before we saw a second DCEU movie, even though now we're getting 2+ a year.

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>>86121250
knightfall sucked ass

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>>86121250
>>86121317

The movie spends way too much time with Lois and she's far too important to the plot.

>>86121350
So? This is also the first time Lois has actually been played by an attractive actress.

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>>86121106
>1) Superman is reduced to a secondary character in his own film.
Not a critique
>2) Lex Luthor is reduced to a ADHD Zuckerberg with none of the control that the character is known and loved for.
Not a critique
>3) The color gradient used for this film makes everything look bland and unappealing without actually adding character to the film
Literally not a critique, are you fucking serious?
>4) The theatrical release cuts out crucial parts of the plot and stores them away for the extended edition (not technically an error with the film, but an underhanded business decision nonetheless)
Borderline not a critique, what exactly do you feel the theatrical cut lacked in terms of plot that the ultimate edition refined? There's nothing wrong with the theatrical cut.
>5) The death of Superman plotline is spent on the SECOND MOVIE OF THE FRANCHISE
Not a critique, go back to /co/

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>>86121250
>>86121317
>>86121345
this is pretty much batfleck and there is nothing wrong with it.
he's a vigilante not a fucking priest

>>86121367
So it's a huge waste of time in a very long movie.

And it really doesn't matter how attractive she is.

>>86120535
You can dance around it all you want, meme it to death for all I care.

The truth is that it was poorly executed in almosy every respect.

And at the end of the day...DC fans just deserve better than this.

>>86121420
Yes it does, makes her nice to look at. If my eyes are pleased my time ain't being wasted.

>>86121250
Yeah, and that serves as a great example of where Bruce was in this film - out of control and in jeopardy of losing himself completely. I have no trouble believing this is a Bruce who lost a partner and had no one there to stop him from killing the man responsible.

This time around, the Batman is getting an honest treatment. As opposed to it only being the Valley "Batman" who is the killer, Bruce is shown past his line, and what he becomes when he's past his line - not a hero; just a vigilante.

>>86121453
nice headcanon

Imagine being so obsessed with capeshit to the point that you make it a part of your daily routine to post and repost the same thread over and over again, about a movie about superheroes from over a year ago on the television and film board of a website centered around japanese cartoons, multiple times per day, and the only purpose you have for doing so is to get random people online to reply to your thread.

>>86121442
You're vapid if you support an inordinate amount of screentime dedicated to a pretty girl rather than character development or theme exploration.

>>86121476
cry more

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>>86121473
Oh yeah. Total headcanon. Nothing at all to support what I'm saying.

>>86121106
>5) The death of Superman plotline is spent on the SECOND MOVIE OF THE FRANCHISE
And? Seriously, are you implying you'd want Doomsday to be a franchise ending villain? Are fucking stupid? Doomsday is a plot device to get Superman out of the way for a while. Doomsday's never successfully put down Superman for good.

>>86121422
Their reaction to the film is proof that they don't deserve better.
They praise it like scripture and won't admit to any flaw and simply claim that the people that don't like it are ignorant.

>>86121481
And you're a homo if you don't watch movies with your dick in your hands.

>>86121518
Also >inb4 le spear staff
Jason Todd is the most violent Robin

>>86121368
All of those are criticism

>>86121545
No need with your mom blowing me.

>>86121570
No they're the incoherent ramblings of someone (a manchild) who didn't get what they want

>>86121566
I'm half-convinced it's what gave Bruce his wicked scar.

>>86121106
1. Unsubstantiated claim
2. Another one
3. Failure to elaborate or explain
4. Crucial parts like?
5. You're not even saying it was bad you're just sperging about chronology

You've proved OP right. Try again, brainlet.

>>86121518
>Robin's costume totally proves my fan theory 100% guys! M-my dad works for Zack Snyder and he told me the hidden backstory!

>>86121637
Nah, all it took was not being profoundly retarded.

>>86121536
Its a meme, these "glowing" crtitiques are sarcastic exagerations, most DC fans were dissapointed but didnt hate it.

The meme is that people who hated it pretend its some landmark earthshattering film, only dummies take them seriously.

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>>86121592
>complains because the movie is shit
>YOU DON'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT
The absolute state of DC.

>>86121665
It's absolutely not a meme. Believe it or not different people can see the same film in different ways. I spend so much time defending it because I truly care about it.

>>86121665
Maybe it was at one time, but >>86121705.

>>86121592
I want a good movie

>>86121705
No you don't.

>>86121536
I ride this movie's dick, but it is flawed. Seriously, there is some fucked camera work, one too many separate narrative threads, and more than one plot contrivance.

But I also think it's a brilliant take on the superhero story in general, and examines both Superman and Batman's reasons for doing what they do much more effectively than previous films about the characters. In addition, there is some fucking gorgeous imagery in the film, and while some of the meme "SNYDER IS GOD" compilations are reaching hard, there are some genuinely awesome visual parallels that take place over the course of the movie.
It's an ambitious movie that fucked up a bit in some regards, but had enough positives to make up for those stumbles.

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>>86121705
And I'm with you. I don't think it's an untouchable masterpiece, but I get tired of seeing people criticize for all the wrong reasons. I have one criticism of it, myself - editing. I understand what he was doing with all the backward reveals on things, but it's a bridge too far for a lot of people. Only fans, really dedicated fans would pick up on their real importance to the story.

Unfortunately, I'm out for the night, but have a good one fellow DCbro.

>>86121726
From a purely technical view, it is a failed movie. In this regard you emotions are irrelevant when the the film makes basic professional mistakes.

We arent arguing the same point. No one can take away your feels, but we cand address the real technical problems this movie had. Whatever fundamental flaw that dredges up and your reaction to it are for you to deal with.

DC fans deserve better.

>>86121536
that's cause you can't even explain your opinions with any reasoning, it's just I didn't like it, so it's shit or I don't caare, it's shit, it just is! over and over again. Why would anyone listen to a retard who can't use reasoning to back up what they say.

>>86121852
This is the problem with you DCfags, you can't accept criticism. Also don't even reply. let the thread die.OP will make it again tomorrow.

>>86121901
You're wrong. Ive been to alot of these threads. You faggots reach so hard for your head cannon its ridiculous.

>>86120535
The pleb hates what the does not understand.

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Every time I see a thread about BvS there are always critics. Whatever. People have different opinions.

What's frustrating is when these "critics" make these unsubstantiated claims about the film's "flaws" by simply stating that there are flaws without listing examples. Why the fuck should anyone listen to your opinion if you're too braindead to provide at least one example backing it up? All this vague bullshit is not a critique.

>>86121763
>some fucked camera work
Show me

>>86121665
>most DC fans were dissapointed
How the fuck do you know that, guy?

>>86121106
This entire post

Case in point. These """critics"""" are brain addled charlatans who have no idea how to write or analyze media more complex than Sesame Street.

>>86120535
No, oceans of ink and hours of commentary have gone into dissecting why this film is a fucking piece of shit. Your earnest dumfuk review years after it's release will convince exactly no one it's anything more than an unwatchable turd.

>>86121879
I'm not the other guy, I'm >>86121852, but before I go, I just wanted to say that the overwhelming bulk of the criticisms we see insist on viewing this movie with "dumb blockbuster" goggles, when there's way too much analysis, all consistent, all in keeping with the lore and the characters and the running themes, that absolutely points to the contrary.

>>86121980
I don't have the webm, but the video game style zoom in on Batfleck when he shot doomsday was pretty stupid.

Is this thread gonna be a daily thing now?

>>86121901
>Why would anyone listen to a retard who can't use reasoning to back up what they say.
Why indeed? Why do so many people listen to and agree with criticism of this film? Perhaps because they felt the same way about it?

>>86121995
Most of the things we're saying right now, we were already pointing out a month after its release. All the intervening year has done is expand the evidence that backs every single thing we claim.

>>86121980
>What's frustrating is when these "critics" make these unsubstantiated claims about the film's "flaws" by simply stating that there are flaws without listing examples. Why the fuck should anyone listen to your opinion if you're too braindead to provide at least one example backing it up? All this vague bullshit is not a critique.
Welcome to literally every thread on this board. Getting people to explain their opinions is like wringing water out of a rock. It's certainly not exclusive to BvS-haters.

>>86122037
That shot bugs me so much because Batman's position doesn't line up with where the shot came from.
It's so distracting.

>>86121980
Because the movie is such a mess and disaster its almost over whelming.

Well, the film in my opinion isn't even bad, it's actually quite good. If I had to score it, it would be probably a 7 out of 10. However it does have flaws that are fairly pointed out but usually in a retarded way and or memes. This entire plot should have been reserved for towards the end of the DCCU so Batman and Superman would have more reasons to fight not even mentioning it would be more personal and engaging to the audience eg Superman having problems with how they tackled problems over the years and Batman resenting Superman for working with the government. The delivery of the lines when Batman has the spear on Superman. Cavill and Affleck are geniunely good throughout the entire movie until this single point and it is really bad. It is as if they took the real scene and imported the audio from a gay porno parody and it's made fun of rightly so. The last problem would probably be the representations of some characters eg Batman and no some comic from 1946 doesn't validate his actions when he is a very modern Batman and the Batman character itself has been changed rigorously throughout the years. Other than that the movie is great, fantastic camerawork, imagery that is obvious in some places but subtle in others. This movie gets shit on way too much and it shouldn't.

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>Another thread where people explain their problems with the movies, and diehard DC fanboys plug their ears and say "no valid criticism" while also pretending all critics are shills or idiots.
Could be some people just didn't like the movie, guys.

>>86122155
Literally impossible this movie is perfect in every way. You just can't understand.

>>86120535
Isn't this text being copypasted twice a day?

>>86120535
Three straight days of this pasta, huh?

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The soundtrack was fucking bitchin' and it frustrates me when people say it was just nothing but Hans bwongs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdc6QjBNOOU

I think the soundtrack is more clever than people give it credit for. Like how Lex's theme is Supes' them played off-key and backwards. Those four simple notes carry the whole film.

>>86120535
Are you saying that people that say they don't like this film are lying?

>>86122194
Yes.

>>86122225
>I think the soundtrack is more clever than people give it credit for. Like how Lex's theme is Supes' them played off-key and backwards.

That's babbers first "how to write a variation on a theme" technique

>>86122108
It lines up. Our PoV starts facing Doomsday. The grenade comes from our right. The PoV then pulls back a bit, swivels right, and zooms in on Bruce.

Believe it or not, I think there's even a message in that. It's commentary on what our role should be in fighting the world's latest crop of monsters.

>>86122225
This film's score is not memorable in the slightest.
The Man of Steel theme, however, is.

>>86122225
Wonder Woman's theme is the only one that really stood out to me and I was very surprised when I found out it was specifically supposed to be her theme because it felt more like a "theme of the movie" or something.

>>86122265
Could you show me some examples of other media doing that? I'm genuinely curious, it's a fun concept.

>>86122312
It's also ripped off from the Spy Kids soundtrack because Zimmer is tired of capeshit music.

>>86122343
Have you never listened to a single piece of classical music in your entire life, ever?

>>86122265
It's a little more involved than just that, but yeah, that's where it starts - a bars-reversed variation that becomes increasingly Faustian as it proceeds. The staccato strings and percussion are nice, too, suggestive of a clockwork.

>>86122302
My flight negro. Unironically the best thing to come out of this universe.

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>>86121973
the ability to put 2 and 2 together is now a buzzword, you wouldn't feel that way if you do basic reasoning.

>86122077
>felt
>other people

so you don't have shit other than a scrambld impression of the film and going with group think. explains why you can't be more specific with your opinions.

>>86122384
I can agree.
Also, though under-utilised, Jeremy Irons as Alfred is great.

Reminder that Zack Snyder finally made Doomsday interesting and not a single /co/cksucker thanked him for it. He's too good for us.

>>86122366
I looked that up, and that's the most bullshit stretch I've seen in a while.

>>86122435
No he didn't.

>>86122385
>putting BLM in your movie
How cucked can you get?

>>86122366
I think Zimmer only sounds samey because when you're constantly employed like he is you start to phone it in a bit.

>>86121901
Go make your HAHAHAHA threads again Pajeet

>>86122451
Yeah he did. Original Doomsday has no personal connection to Superman. This one does. The ghost of Zod.

>>86122435
...What? What exactly is interesting about this interpretation of Doomsday? Doomsday always fucking sucked. When I heard Lex utter the word doomsday I internally thought "FUCK" because I hate Doomsday.

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>>86122302
the MoS theme is amazing and it's sad that it was paired with such a garbage movie

>>86122375
Oh fuck off, I'm not saying I've never heard of a variation on a theme, I'm asking if you can think of any other movies where the score does the hero's theme in reverse for the villain. I'm sure there are, and I wanted to know where else that happens.

>>86122437
You are tone deaf then, mate. Bet you also didn't know that Hans Zimmer copied his own work for Disney Pirates from Muppet Treasure Island.

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>>86121973
>>86122077
>>86122494
>i-i-its head cannon totally guiz
the absolute state of Mar/v/edditors

>>86122521
Him literally being the mutated body of Zod coming back to life in retribution for Superman killing him is way more interesting than him just being some asshole that just shows up and throws down with Supes.

>>86122500
You sound retarded. Doomsday was literally 2 minutes of screen time and he was a generic Frankenstein's monster. That's played out and stupid.

>>86122570
>implying based Marvel doesn't want DC to do good for a healthy amount of variety.

>>86122597
The way you put it would be interesting, yes, but not in the sense it was portrayed in the movie. He was still just a dumb generic-looking monster with generic powers like absorbing energy.

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>>86120535
kys

>>86122598
As the babbling retard is quick to dispell any notion that he might anything more than that.

>>86121317
>>86121345
>>86121372
But Snyder himself justified it with "Batman killed in DKR" which not only did he not but they specifically remind you multiple times in the book that he isn't killing people. And it becomes a plot point later on.

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>>86121910
What criticism? You mean blatant shitposting like
>>86121973
>>86121995
>>86122155
>>86122375
>>86122494
>>86122477
>>86122598
Who are literally just memeing and being condescending little faggots in general

>>86122522
I would say it could be used for a future Superman movie, but I don't think a good Superman movie will ever be made.

>>86122215
Yeah, basically it's an extremely butthurt false-flagger trying to spam a proffered opinion into irrelevancy through repitition. That "pasta" didn't exist prior to three days ago when I typed it up in response to someone who insisted that no fan could offer them reasons for why they liked this film. This is the depths to which their hatred actually runs.

And on that note, good night.

>>86122500
Wow, Zack Snyder's a few steps behind the fucking Resident Evil franchise when it comes to resurrecting a dead villain as a giant humanoid monster. Bravo.

>>86122646
he killed the joker
he literally hallucinates joker killing himself so he wont have to feel guilty about killing him

>>86122613
This, competition breeds innovation. If DC didn't challenge their domination then Marvel would just stagnate.

>>86122645
Not even a proper sentence, mate. Try again. Take a deep breath and tell me again.

>>86122665
He's also one of the most acclaimed director's biggest inspirations
>http://www.slashfilm.com/james-cameron-inspirations/

>>86121637
Nigga how did you not get that this was PUNISHED Batman
Did Batfleck literally have to say in the movie "golly gee I sure wish Robin hadn't died and forced me into an intense philosophical and ideological dilemma, turning me into a dangerous, twisted version of my former self! That sucked!" for you to get it?

>>86122769
The fact that Civil War got acclaim baffles me.
It was literally 2 hour ad for more Marvel commercials which in turn are more commercials for more Marvel commercials.
The only defense I've seen for this film was that "MARTHAAAAAAAA" and other memey shit like "it had le setup", fucking laughable

>>86122613
This is actually the truth. The companies that make superhero movies actually do work together in small ways. There's little bits of cross promotion, there's friendly social media exchanges from talent encouraging the talent of other franchises. They even plot out when to release their films so they aren't in direct competition. The truth is that everyone benefits when a movie franchise does well. For DC, Marvel opened the door to the idea of a cinematic universe, and for Marvel, DC keeps things from being stale. Interest in comics overall is also a boon because of the size of these two. A lack of interest in one really wounds the entire industry.

It's not like a Coke vs Pepsi thing or a console war, where dollars only go to one or the other due to the nature of the product. People can and do enjoy both studios and both comic companies. Some may like DC, but not like the movies. Same's true the other way around. It's not some kind of religious war going on here. The people that make these movies would probably laugh at the idea that there's some kind of ideology that's going to win. It's about the money.

>>86122778
It would be nice is Batman was a developed character at all in BvS
>wahhhh parents dead flashback
>glance at Robin suit
>grumble grumble Superman
>MARTHA!
>we buds now ;)

>>86122646
Snyder was obfuscating. His Batman isn't filling Bruce's role in DKR. He's filling Clark's.

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>>86120535
>The importance of communication

Do I even fucking need to say it

>>86122881
*if

>>86122862
There was no capeshit wars until cross-boarders from /v/ shit up the board with stupid idealogy clinging and started the "le evansposting" meme.
All this shit can be blamed on them.
/v/ is so laughable honestly. And they wonder why their ugly acne-riddled ass can't land a date

>>86122893
Now tell us what Martha represents.

Diana: world of the past
Lois: world of the future
Martha:

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>>86122742
>During a recent interview, Cameron rattled off the names of some contemporaries that inspired him — including Batman v Superman director Zack Snyder and Deadpool director Tim Miller.
>Deadpool

>>86122827
The CGI airport fight was retardation extreme. Like are we really supposed Spidey was that point motivated to attempt homicide on Bucky? It's lazy ass writing so audiences can finally see Spidey in a scene he has no place in.

>>86122881
>>86122893
>he fell for the Martha meme
You do realize it took Lois to confirm the real reason why Superman came, right?
Bats was visibily getting distressed at the fact he was becoming his father's murderer, he's fucking batshit but he redeemed himself.

>>86122943
Martha represents one of the many stupid contrivances in the movie that only have ad-hoc explanations by mouth breathers who think Zach Snyder can do no wrong.

>>86122960
Tim Miller is very talented though.
Have you seen his Batman vs Deathstroke CGI short? That shit is beautiful looking.
He dropped out of the sequel because they wanted it to go fullblown reddit and milk the fuck out of the neckbeards.

>>86120535
I mostly don't like it because of Lex. Every scene with this character is awful.

>>86123033
Go find the script. Do a word-search on "world." See how many times it comes up associated with those three specific women.

Then please do kindly fuck yourself.

>>86123028
Nice excuse.

>>86123028
>he's fucking batshit
Ehehehehe.

>>86123028
>You do realize it took Lois to confirm the real reason why Superman came, right?
So what, faggot? Why should anything she say to Bruce be enough to stop him from killing an alien that was partially responsible for thousands of deaths in Metropolis?

It's bad writing, kid.

>>86123126
I can't remember a single time that word is even remotely mentioned. What DC cocksucking blog did you get that from?

>>86122769
>not picking up on the subtle critique of characters like Captain America
Cap is a man who will do what he believes is the right thing, no matter what.
Historically, this has been inline with the zeitgeist, so he is honored as a hero.

During Winter Soldier, what he believes is right conflicts with SHIELD and the governments of the world.
Steve, naturally, doesn't care and fights them anyway and he turns out to be right and mostly everything works out, though with some fallout.

Now we get to Civil War where Cap, already on thin ice with the authorities, refuses the Accords.
This causes a schism again with the government, but also this time with his friends and fellow heroes.
We come to think about whether or not a paragon like Steve makes sense in a world with real life consequences.
Accountability isn't a concern of his, because he believes that he is a perfect champion of justice.
To make matters worse, he aids a dangerous fugitive for the world to see, effectively ending his existence as a hero and inspiration to others because that not what he wants to be. He only wants to do the right thing and to him, the right thing is helping his best friend.

>>86120535
D-did you just take a legitimate post from a DCHad for your false flag thread now that Wonder Woman has crushed Marvel's equivalent movie to BvS?

WEW

>>86123165
>>86123407
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oufremzw7d8
watch the scene, pay attention to ben's face, and see how supes is saved
ps: its not his mothers name

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>>86121665
>It's yet another MCUck tries to speak for others episode
Also how does it feel to be a 'dummie'?

>>86123683
I literally just rewatched the whole film, retard. Your entire premise is an autistic reach.

I ask again, please use your brain this time: why in the fuck would the name of his mother (reminder, Bruce is a methodical genius so he probably assumes correctly that there are other people out there named Martha) stop him from killing an alien he prepped a whole fucking year in advance to murder?

Why do retards keep complaining about"not muh Batman"? It's obvious this version of Bruce had a hard life and whatever happened to Robin finally made him snap. I think it's one of the best takes of his character so far, I was really disappointed Suicide Squad didn't elaborate at all on that backstory.

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>>86123551
oh yes doing the right thing just like attempting to murder a random twink teen by drop 3 ton debris onto him, and quipping after wards, right?

>>86122381
>Faustian
What does this mean in a musical context?

>>86123793
All you need to do to bear Batman is say Martha and trigger his autism.

>>86123826
Kino is your kryptonite

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>>86123744

>>86123744
Because it needed to happen in order to have them together fighting Doomsday and quipping together just a few minutes later, even though we spent 2 hours with Bruce planning and attempting to kill Clark.
No glaring narrative, editing and pacing fuckups there, everything's perfect!

>>86123826
*beat

>>86123890
>cue up that copypasta from that one salty DCfag

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To me at the end of the day it's about ambiguity that is what divides people on this movie. We're talking about a wide release blockbuster that was targeted at the kind of manchildren that read comic books and watch cartoons, they prefer a more straight forward mode of storytelling that puts exposition over allegory in turn making the movie very accessible and hedonistic in nature, BvS while also borderline hedonistic and escapist gives more credence towards genre subversion through unorthodox blockbuster film making, this keeps the audience grounded in reality while demanding that they fucking smell the roses for once. Of course a good chunk of people who paid to watch this had a fixed perception thanks to Marvel of what they paid for, so they came out feeling lied to.

>>86120535
It's funny you'd write all this horseshit and not reference anything from the movie as evidence.
Just like bvs, your paragraph is a collection of overly broad generalizations without connection to the source material

>>86123955
Now which blog is this from?

>>86123955
Also i think there was a disconnect between the marketing and the actual filmmakers, of course it would've been difficult to be honest about this film considering the featured characters are pop icons, but, regardless.

>>86123955
>exposition over allegory
But much of the movie's dialogue was nothing but exposition. Luthor's dialogue was nothing but that, and a lot of Bruce's was exposition as well.

>>86123955
Or you know its not good? The movie tries to do those things but fails. I swear goyer and snyder must browse this site.

>>86123683
Holy shit, rewatching this scene makes me realize just how retarded people's reaction is to this. He clearly still would have killed Superman, the reason he stopped is clearly because Lois' words made him realize "Holy shit, Superman has a mother. He's a human just like me."

Wow, people are fucking stupid. I am never going to let them forget their stupidity now.

>>86123793
>whatever happened to Robin finally made him snap.
Why isn't Joker dead then? Or marked with the bat so he gets brutalized in prison? Or Deadshot, Harley or any other villain much more dangerous than those faceless goons he marks and murders?
Btw, those guys had human moms too, but I guess they weren't called Martha.

>>86124090
Let me clarify, exposition in the sense of literal meaning, Marvel utilises this 'IF HE HAS THAT TESSERACT WE WILL ALL DIE' whilst Snyder embraced a much more 'ambiguous' method of exposition, which was the initial point i was trying to make. Ambiguity is the heart of this debate.

>>86124123
>"Holy shit, Superman has a mother. He's a human just like me."
And how about all the other people he kills either directly or indirectly? Don't they have mothers and therefore are human and deserving of mercy?
How does him having a human mother makes him less of a potential threat, as per Bruce's 1% argument, and how does it make him go from mankind's #1 threat to quipping buddy in just a few minutes?

>>86124123
>Holy shit, he has a mother just like me. That makes me completely ignore the fact that he could obliterate the planet if he wanted to which was the sole reason why I chose to fight him in the first place!
Also, Batman doesn't exactly hold back on people who have mothers either. Just look at his minigun and how he uses it on people who might very well just be security detail.
I for one just think that everybody in this movie is mentally ill. It doesn't make the movie any better but then you can at least ignore character motivations.

>>86124146
this
>>86124123
>Holy shit, Superman has a mother. He's a human just like me."
None of this would've happened if these characters think before they act.

I'm actually ambivalent about this movie. Good arguments can be made for both cases, the movie being one of the best of the capeshit genre or a piece of shit, the truth, as usual, lays in the middle.

7/10 is the same rate I'd give to Civil War and BvS, but they get there walking different paths. Civil War is consistently mediocre, the cinematography and choreography is just atrocious (I'm just watching the tv show Ozark and I think it has the same fucking filters and better composition, but that's a show about a cucked accountant about to be killed by a cartel not a movie about cosplayers fighting in a parking lot). They get to the OK mark by just aiming low and playing safe. The plot boils down to the typical "we need to get this so we need to go there" kind of lineal plot with jst a thin, cringy layer of political shit manchildren love so much, the motivations are cartoonishly simplistic, and they quip all the way to the end. It's fun, nothing more than that.

On BvS case, they aimed higher and sometimes they got close to actual greatness. The first scenes of Metropolis getting nuked, everything Batman, the montage of Superman saving people with a gloomy face, the role of the savior weighing on him, Cavill and Affleck perfomances, the undeniable (and so far undenied) political, philosophical and religious scope of the movie, even the new take on Lex Luthor, that's all 10/10. Those grids posted here from time to time show better photography and composition than anything in the genre. The score won't be surpassed anytime soon and they should have won an oscar. But then you have fucking Lois, Doomsday, that JL shoehorned shit, that desert scene, the high on meth editors... Too much shit. They have their ok, 7/10 movie at the end, but I get people being this buttmad about it because unlike Civil War, which is what it is, inside BvS lives the best capekino ever made, you just have to dig through a layer of pure shit to get to see it sometimes

>>86123744
>why in the fuck would the name of his mother (reminder, Bruce is a methodical genius so he probably assumes correctly that there are other people out there named Martha) stop him from killing an alien he prepped a whole fucking year in advance to murder?
It's not just the mother's name, it's the realization that they have the same moral justification for their actions. Batman is a dangerous vigilante too. Killing Superman means admitting to himself that he's a bad guy.

>>86124186
Nothing ambiguous about having every single line of dialogue of two of the main characters be nothing but expose their motivations over and over and over again for 2 hours, and then make their actions completely incomprehensible and sometimes even contradict what we've seen for the past 2 hours.
It's just at least two scripts (maybe more) meshed into one and rushed into filming without giving the writer enough time to make a cohesive whole from it. It's obvious the script needed one more draft or two before being ready for filming.

>>86124207
>high on meth editors
This is the correct editing style. I don't watch movies to be bored.

>>86122769
>>86124207
It's interesting to think about how both of these movies probably released when they did because it was election season

>>86124240
>it's the realization that they have the same moral justification for their actions
That literally makes no sense, as we keep trying to tell you.

>>86124240
Yeah, I think we all know what they were trying to say with the scene, but the way it was actually portrayed in the movie fails to really convey that, and we're left with Bruce changing his mind simply because "hey, he's got a mom too, and she's called Martha. I guess he's cool now!"
The movie just jumps from attempts to build deeper and complex psychologies and motivations for its characters to shallow/summer blockbuster writing when the movie needs the plot to move along fast.

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>>86124207
>cavill and affleck performance
>all 10/10
>7/10 movie at the end
No it wasn't Saying this movie is a 7/10 is a disgrace to all the good movies out there.

>>86123744
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJH8hO7VlWE
Why in the fuck would seeing a woman singing (reminder, the french soldiers are seasoned fighters so they probably assume correctly that there are other german women able to sing) stop them from being the dehumanized killing machines they have been training to be for 4 solid years? Why don't Kirk Douglas just challenges the Kaiser to a dance off?

>>86124363
yes it was 10/10 overall

>>86124207
see
>>86123551

>>86124393
Are you autistic?

>>86124450
see
>>86123802

>>86124393
This is the most absurd comparison I've heard yet.

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>>86124463
>asking a DCfag if they are autistic
what else anon, I'm gonna go watch some x-men. peace

>>86123551
Still, let's not forget that both the goverment and the ultimate team of superheroes get fooled by a rubber mask (which is revealed in a voiceover).

>>86124450
I covered that in my post:
>the motivations are cartoonishly simplistic

>>86124463
>>86124489
If you're namefagging we can't see you samefagging too.

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>>86124520
>their mothers having the same name isn't cartoony nor simplistic

>>86124553
You were so dumb I had to say two different things.

>>86124561
1. It was already like that it the comics.
2. It's deliberate, to emphasize how they're basically the same character. The difference in powers doesn't matter when Batman has plot armor. Batman is just an edgier version of Superman.

>>86124363
Oh, bullshit, there are so many worse movies and people choose to throw a shitfit about a decent one.

>>86121106
MoS was about Clark growing up from being a guy from Kansas with strange powers and searching his purpose on Earth to a superhero who embraces his destiny and saves the world. The character arc in BvS is about Clark learning to deal with aftermath of that: the burden of being a public superhero and thus the object of political interest and controversy. He learns that despite his powers, he can't always do the right thing and save everyone. People will still die because he is fallible. A true hero is one who may fall down but just gets back up again.

When Superman saves the child from the burning apartments, he is surrounded by dead people embracing him, even worshipping him. But Superman doesn't happily take it all with a smile. In fact, he reluctantly turns his head away in what appears to be him feeling some sort of dread or pain.

I think this is Superman realizing that he is surrounded "by the dead". That he is so different from them, they will know death, he will not. Maybe it's even part shame, knowing that our fates are set in stone while his isn't. A God among men. But he also desires to be one of us.

In his fight against Batman, Batman says "you don't know what it means to be brave. Men are brave". And this is true to some extent. An immortal God figure cannot be brave as there is no risk involved. "It's time you learn what it means to be a man" means coming face to face with death, which is what separates Superman from man. If he can't do that, then he cannot be brave and he cannot be man.

This dilemma of death is eventually adressed in the climax of the film, as he comes to terms with his own mortality, and pays the ultimate price of a human being. Superman becomes man. Superman overcomes the final trial. And that is accepting his own death. And this is when Batman finally recognizes Superman as man.

>>86124561
Martha is the last word Bruce's dad says before dying after being shot in cold blood just like Bruce was going to do with Superman

>>86124646
It would be nice if the movie actually developed that theme.

>>86124573
Nice try, you tried to samefag to make yourself look like multiple people and you forgot about your name.

Everyone, whenever you get multiple low effort responses like that, keep in mind it's probably something like this guy.

>>86124676
So again, that's a really dumb fucking plot convenience to get him to literally stop shoving a krypronite shank into his face.

>>86124686
Fine, so what? You cracked the case of the century? That doesn't magically make your points less autistic buddy boy. I'm not the only one who has been shitting on you in this thread.

>>86124658
>MoS was about Clark growing up
The problem is that he was already fucking 33 in the movie. That's what made him look like a fucking mopey whiny faggot. If he would've been in his late teens/early 20s like in the Earth One graphic novel the movie took inspiration from, his character would've been more sympathethic for the general audience. Nobody likes a grown man that still needs a father figure to tell him to stop being a pussy and do something.

>>86120535
how can a review be so wordy yet say so little?

>>86124573
That or you realized that violence stopping after being reminded of motherly features is nothing new and the only fault of BvS is having 2 hours of movie between Bruce's dad and Superman saying "Martha" before dying

>>86124711
No, the Zemo reveal in CW was a dumb plot convenience, 100% certified hack cop out. This is perfectly in line with both characters, especially Batman. It has a set up (Bruce's dad saying Martha before dying), it has consistency with the character (Batman's whole motivation is to see Gotham free of the Joe Chills corrupting it and he realizes he has become one of them) and the only thing missing is the pay off, which I feel rushed as fuck and kind of ruins the whole thing. Batman should have gone sit for a while, and have a flashback of the alley scene. Just make the doomsday eyesore a minute shorter, no one would have noticed

>>86124724
It's entirely possible that you are. You just got cocky and fucked up with your name.

It's a bad film because it has terrible dialogue, horrible pacing, ridiculous action scenes that could only be thought up in a fever dream by Cynthia Rothrock while being spiritually guided by Steven Seagall wearing his bulletproof kimono and pretending to be a mystical shaman, and a convoluted melodramatic plot.

Batman is a gun-toting maniac near-murderer and flat-out psychopath (who Zack Snyder said he wants hin to be gang-raped in prison) instead of being an obsessive note-taker and planner with unbreakable will, unwaivering ethics, and rock-solid morals.

Superman is as dumb as a rock and an egomanic

..and Wonder Woman as the Beaver.
Great Cinematography though.

>>86124891
Yeah because Bruce could here her say that and this movie definitely needs more flashbacks too...

>>86124896
No fag, trust me. I am not the only one. Your points are just trash.

Hoooooooo-lee shit. This thread only had 2 replies a few hours ago, and this is day3 since I started paying attention to how many times it's been restarted.
Day3 could just as easily be 200 for all we know, faggots.

>>86124761
It's not developed anon, or believable to his character in the film.

>>86123520
From watching the movie without my head my ass.

>>86125071
It's not even the first time it's been posting.

These threads are literally the result of one DCfag getting butthurt his movie was getting shit on, so now he's posting the exact same thing every day now.

>>86125057
Why would I trust you when you were intellectually dishonest enough to reply to the same post twice?

>>86125108
I'm actually going to go back to the Steppenwolf thread tomorrow for a change of pace, I think.

>>86124146
Batman's "n e w r u l e s" only came into play after superman arrived. By that point he point he became obsessed with superman because he feels like that's his only chance to make a difference. Those other guys are now too low level in comparison. only a retard who couldn't follow the film would be confused by this.

>>86124252
again you're just ranting off on your opinion and can't cite any specifics to support it.

>>86123826
your simplistic thinking ignores the contex of the situation, bruce reacted that way because he didn't expect to hear it from "an A L I E N."

>>86125071
You're fucking transparent.

>>86122656
It makes me so happy that I'll never be as completely ass-ravaged as the sad motherfucker who's doing this. That's epic-tier asspain right there.

>>86125108
These threads are blatant false flag threads by a MCUck or maybe an actual Disney shills butthurt that a Marvel movie comparable to BvS is not only going to make less than BvS but less than a Gal Gadot World War 1 romantic comedy flick. That's why the OP is designed to attract more MCUcks and shills
>Why are people who hate this film so completely incapable of expressing actual reasons why they dislike it?
Literally begging people to sit on the movie

>>86123955
>M-marvel's the reason the movie is shit!
Unbelievable

>>86125210
>a Marvel movie comparable to BvS is not only going to make less than BvS
Uh, which movie are you referring to? Civil War was the only one comparable to BvS and that made more.

>>86124756
I don't know, but your post spoke loud and clear. It said:

"I'm a fucking retard."

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>>86125291
Spider-Man: Homecoming and we've been through this, Civil War was an Avengers movie

>>86125155
>again you're just ranting off on your opinion and can't cite any specifics to support it.
Only my second part of the post is my personal opinion, the other is what we get in the film which is nothing but redundant exposition from the characters that sometimes even contradicts their actual actions.

>>86125155
>Batman's "n e w r u l e s" only came into play after superman arrived. By that point he point he became obsessed with superman because he feels like that's his only chance to make a difference.
Wait, didn't you (or the other guy) say that it was whatever happened to Robin what made him what he is in the movie? And even so, the other thing you just said is just headcannon and contradicted by the movie itself when it shows him stopping that human trafficking guy and having branded dozens of other minor criminals before. If he had the time for that, he also had the time to go after more dangerous criminals like the ones I mentioned before.
One of the reasons for the "no kill" rule that most superheroes have is to keep villains alive and returning without having to resort to lame copouts about how they didn't die last time. If you're doing this film as a part of a plan to build an extended universe, it's fucking retarded to start by the ending. Leads to a bunch of inconsistencies and contradictions the following films are gonna have to deal with (we already had WW ignoring the "left mankind" bit). Snyder is just smart enough not to realize how stupid he is.

>>86125218
>D-Disney's the reason Marvel's shit
ftfy

>>86125210
>Blatant false flag threads
Are you fucking for real? Is this somehow out of the ordinary for DCucks on this board to post the exact same shit over and over? No, that's all you fuckers do; Post the same "cinegrids", post the same screenshots of the movie beside a picture of Jesus, post the same pictures of Zack Snyder lifting weights. It's all the same. You pseudo-intellectual shitskins can't even defend this movie which is the best part. Everything that's said isn't a critique because you can't take criticism
>But paid reviews!
>But Marvel!
>But you're a shill, cuck, numale, pajeet!
>But you didn't understand!

>>86125424
>No, that's all you fuckers do; Post the same "cinegrids", post the same screenshots of the movie beside a picture of Jesus, post the same pictures of Zack Snyder lifting weights.
Show me any of that in this thread. I'll wait

>>86125210
>>86125363
>Spider-Man Homecoming
You mean the movie that's far more profitable than BvS with a months release without China?

>>86125370
Not him, but it's a gradual descent.

>loses parents
>declares war on Gotham's underworld
>loses friends and allies over the course of his twenty year crusade
>loses Robin
>comes apart
>probably does something he can't forgive himself for
>pulls himself back together
>experiences yet another trauma(the Wayne Building and friends/employees)
>comes apart a little more
>largely ambivalent about loss of life in this final "war" he's declared

>>86125523
>profitable
It has to break even first though

>>86125543
Still doesn't explain the inconsistency of him showing no mercy at smaller criminals instead of the big bad guys.

>>86124949
Is this supposed to be criticism? nice list of adjectives with no backing for it you retard.

>>86125370
no you didn't cite any part of the film to support your opinion. I'm going to make your argument for you.

That was some other guy. And once again you've shown yourself to be too dumb to follow the film, he only went after the traffiker cause he was a lead to the white portugese which the krryptonite was on.

>>86125424
you don't have any arguments so you just make up BS arguments about "dcuks" and try to get retards who don't read to buy it.

>>86121250

There's no issue with Batman killing in BvS since, you know, Batman's actions were depicted as being bad and him personally having gone mentally unstable. BvS is partially a story of a man who's fallen finding redemption at the end when he becomes a proper hero again.

>>86125582
Yeah? When did he do that? He devoted two years of his life to upping his game to the point where he thought he stood a chance of taking his target down.

>>86125507
Do you actually want me to link every single post in this thread that blatantly shows someone unwilling to take any criticism on this movie? Because there's a lot of them.

>>86125637
No, faggot. Show us all these cinegrids and pastas we're posting all the time like the other guy fucking told you to. That's all we ever do, right?

Maybe if you'd read a few of them, you wouldn't be such a massive fucking retard.

>>86125637
Nah, just those cinegrids and Jesus pictures DCcucks love so much. If you're using 4chanX just go on gallery mode and you'll find them in seconds, I'm sure

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>>86125632
>>86125599
>he only went after the traffiker cause he was a lead to the white portugese which the krryptonite was on.
What about these?

>>86125718
In this thread? Stop being such a weasely little faggot and admit there's more legitimate conversation even in those threads than you can get anywhere else on this shit board.

Or, you know, go find all the instances where we spammed any of them in *this* thread, since that's "all we ever do." Christ, it's no wonder you faggots can't see past your own bias. You can't even stop sucking your own dick long enough to back up your own bullshit claims.

We've backed ours up though. Countless, countless fucking times.

>>86125549
>It has to break even first though
Once again DCuck delusion in full effect

>Homecoming
Budget: $175 million
Marketing: $140 million
Gross: $675.6 million
Has made 3.86x its budget so far no including marketing

>BvS
Budget: $250 - 300 million
Marketing: $150-160 million
Gross: $873.3 million
Made 2.9 - 3.5x its budget back not including marketing costs, which are higher than Homecoming
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/batman-v-superman-inside-warner-878208
BvS still made over $105 million net profit

>>86121980
>read Armond White once

>>86125637
What criticism's cuz I only see retards off adjectives and some broad complaints about that they can't be specific about.

>>86125762
Those were leads he was after as well, watch the part where alfred tells him to go to the party as bruce because batman wasn't working.

>>86121229
And yet you cucks are forever making out like this movie has some bold artistic vision. It can't be both a thrilling creative work and a piece of studio-controlled content. If Snyder was being bossed around by the studio, why didn't he just quit? Since apparently he's some kind of super genius, couldn't he make smaller movies and exert full creative control over them, gifting the world with the fruits of his own imagination?

But no, he carries on bending over for the studio and you carry on making fucking lame excuses for him. This is because he is an incompetent jobber and you
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>>86125762
Those are the other guys he interrogated finding his leads, brutality, mind you, that Alfred even points out to him as utterly futile. Given that Alfred mentions six and the paper mentions eighteen, I'd often wondered if that was an oversight or meant to suggest Lex's guys were sort of smearing Bruce a bit, too.

You think this level of false flag shill threads is bad? Well I've just checked and according to my numbers, Wonder Woman has a good shot at passing Civil War and Iron Man 3 in the US market at her current pace.

Let's see:
Wonder Woman is on her 67th day from release and in that time has made $399,828,275 domestic, while Civil War, by the same day, was at $406,267,368. Now this looks ogre for /ourgal/ right? But let's look again, on their 67th day these are the numbers they pulled:
>CW $40,987
>WW $395,862
That's 10x more. You'd say, this is summer, not comparable. Good point, let's see how did they do in the weekend:
>CW $293,217
>WW $2,286,334
According to these numbers and my knowledge of the MCUck psyche, I predict this thread being made everyday and a full blown raid in three weeks or less, just like everytime a Thor 3 trailer drops. Expect some fake news about reshoots or Ben Affleck in that timeframe too. Good time to stay away from /tv/ for a while because mods are NOT going to stop them

>>86125676
>>86125718
>They're actually denying the cinegrids and pastas now because every single one hasn't been posted in this thread
Lmao you people are so lost

>>86121243
>b...but gene hackman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When defending something that's shit, it does you no good to point to other things that are shit. No good at all
>I applaud you
Absolutely fucking cringe

>>86125857
>Those were leads he was after as well
So he felt he needed to have them brutalized and murdered in prison, simply because they had a piece of information he needed, which wasn't probably the case anyway, otherwise he wouldn't have needed to do it to "dozens" as it states in the film itself. Something really doesn't add up there. Either he had been branding criminals unrelated to his investigation on the whole kryptonite deal or he's just the shittiest detective ever.

>>86121368
Why waste your precious time on this utterly dishonest post

>>86120535
Because you only want to argue with people by proudly claiming you're correct under any circumstance.
That's why you keep responding to even the most retarded of replies, because you want something easy to argue against.
Even when you get a valid criticism you'll just deflect about how marvel is worse, and DC should be praised for at least trying to be darker and deep, even though they fail so hard.

>>86125900
What does Wonder Woman have to do with this BvS thread? You people keep bringing that movies success up, yet it wasn't Snyders movie. In fact, didn't Wonder Woman beat BvS' domestic gross like a month ago?

>>86125210
>a Gal Gadot World War 1 romantic comedy flick
What the fuck is this shit, Wonder Woman is a serious DCEU film just like MoS and BvS. Do DC fans seriously refuse to defend WW just because it was actually successful?

>>86125888
Again, the movie states "dozens" were marked, which means at least 24 people. Were all those "leads"? How many fucking leads does he need to be able to get something?

>>86125823
Calm down, you're being incoherent. You went overboard with an ad hom and got laughed at as a result, not the end of the world. These are capeshit movies, no need to get this upset. Also
>we
Don't do that

>>86125085
Literally qoute and timestamp the times.

>>86125116
I don't care what you do. BvS sucks, the writing is bad and I laughed at the Martha autism.

>>86126003
They really don't want to defend it as it was pretty much a Marvel movie, and that combined with good reviews/ Being the first serious female Superhero flick in a while is what made it successful.
However, as you can see from posts like this
>>86125900
They're even bringing up the movies success in a thread that has nothing to do with it. It's always compared to Marvel too, not Snyders movies which it has absolutely destroyed.

>>86126098
>I don't care what you do
That explains why your arguments are so weak. You simply don't care.

>>86125155
>your simplistic thinking ignores the contex of the situation, bruce reacted that way because he didn't expect to hear it from "an A L I E N"
Yes, this world genius who has been planning to kill Superman for little over a year somehow never once considered that he was a humanoid with a biological mommy and daddy. So either Bruce is a literal fucking autismo, or the writing was shit.

>>86126130
>Being the first serious female Superhero flick in a while is what made it successful.
Where were all these women for Elektra?

>>86126146
He's just gonna tell you that anything Bats does is okay because he's "clearly" deranged in this movie.

Why do we keep having this fucking argument? God just get a life away from this stupid movie already.

>>86126130
>it was pretty much a Marvel movie
How?

>>86126003
>DC fans
Don't mistake your autistic fanbases. These are Snyder fans that couldn't see the whole "kino" thing was just anti-Marvel shitposting and took it literally.

>>86125957
he didn't know and he didn't give a shit. he just didn't want to feel like the only things he's been doing as batman was pulling weeeds. Lex was adding the extras.

>>86125977
again with the BS narrative of things that didn't happen, easier than making a well reasoned argument I suppose.

>>86126146
Why would he? He only gives a shit about superman's power, he was angry and wanted a target to unleeash it on. So he only saw what he wanted to see.

>>86125887
It does, cocksucker. The creators behind this story pretty clearly got together and crafted elements of three major comics stories into a cohesive whole, one that basically lays the groundwork for everything to follow. The narrative is coherent both backwards, forwards, and even carries over into tangential films like Suicide Squad.

It is masterwork storytelling, and the fact that blind dipshits like you lack the imagination to even appreciate it says a lot more about your own, and by extension this fucking country's, growing deficiencies.

Five years from now, you'll be quoting some fucking "listicle" from some horseshit like cracked.com about all the cool connections that have been "discovered" in these movies, and most likely patting yourself on the back for dropping knowledge on your friends just like the smug asshole you so clearly are. Here, I'll even predict the article's

"10 Reasons the Internet Might Want to Apologize to Zack Snyder"

>>86126225
>he didn't know and he didn't give a shit.
What didn't he know?

>>86125108
>WWWAAHHHHH WHY ARE PEOPLE DISCUSSING A MOVIE I DONT LIKE WTF
die

>>86126140
You have ignored every argument you disliked, friendo.
-why does Superman wait until everyone is dead to save Lois?
-how does Lois know that the magic bullet that somehow stayed in her small journal, would be tied to Lex even after it was ballistic checked?
-how did Bruce steal Lex's kryptonite without Lex knowing?
-or did Lex know in order for him to fight Superman?
-at what point did Lex plan to pin Superman against Batman?
-was it before he knew about the genetic gene splicing in the ship?
-but why then did Lex make the cripple go insane for over a year?
-does he do research on that Kryptonian ship for a year, then it time skips to his master plan?
-what even is his plan?
-was it to make Doomsday? Why?
-what would stop Superman from flying all over the world, getting Martha and then grabbing Lex?
-how did Bruce never once get a notification that his crippled employee was sending checks back?
-what sort of comittee are they forming that Superman needs to answer to? What law?
-How does Bruce instantly know where Martha is being kept without any info?
-Did Batman plan on getting punched through an entire warehouse just to end up precisely where his Kryptonite spear was?
-why did Lois throw it into the water?
-why did Bruce sperg out about their mothers having the same name?
-why would the government trade high clearance military info with a weirdo on the "maybes" that some foreign mineral is valuable?

>>86126226
In 5 years no one's gonna remember that Zach Snyder was ever in the film industry.
He's made absolutely no effect on film.

>>86126164
>Comparing Wonder Woman to Elektra

>>86126270
>These threads
>Discussion
HAHAHAHA

>>86125210
Actually i come here both to discuss the artistry of Snyder's directing AND to trigger the MCUcks who for some reason keep entering these threads insisting that no one cares or something

>>86126175
So pick one, Bruce is a smart and methodical anti-hero learning the errors of the monster he became, or a big autistic nutbag.

>>86126305
Dickhead, just because you can't absorb more than 140 characters at a time doesn't mean the rest of us can't.

>>86126305
>HAHAHAHA
kill yourself

>>86122701
>joker magically twists his own neck
bruce pls

>>86126305
>derails thread with childish company war shitposting
>BRO THERE'S NO DISCUSSION TO BE HAD HERE
it's almost like you get paid or something

>>86126225
>Batman couldn't fathom that Superman was birthed by a biological organism despite everyone knowing more or less, that he was raised on earth somewhere and speaks English and lives in America and looks like a regular man.
I'm sure it baffled him.

>>86122827
>The fact that Civil War got acclaim baffles me.
Me too. Doesn't take away from BvS being shit, but I can't understand how CW got so much praise when it was just a fucking blatant exercise on cynical Hollywood filmmaking.

>>86125218
Well insecure faggots like you wouldn't be constantly jumping into these threads insisting the movie sucks if it weren't for Marvel so yes he's right

>>86126305
This. MCUcks only come up with variants of "it's shit because I say so" and dismiss any argument defending or explaining the movie, so it's not really a discussion. It feels more like a classroom with the students throwing paperplanes to each other while the teacher tries to get their attention to the blackboard

>254 posts
>50 IPs

Why are DCuck threads always like this? it's always the same two guys trying to defend it isn't it?

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>>86126316
Bruce is at war with himself. For the first time in his life, his obsession has a guy for a target that he actually knows isn't a bad guy. He's only *slightly* more crazy and obsessed than he is at any other time.

In fact, he's unconsciously sabotaging his own efforts because of that internal conflict. I'd point you in the direction of a certain dream he had, but with assholes like you, anything not spoken directly into the microphone is "headcanon."

>>86126437
>two guys
You have a lot of faith in Snyder.

>>86126383
Maybe because it was fun and people liked it? Is that going to trigger anyone? The word "fun"?

simple answer why anyone would hate this masterpiece: theyre too dumb to understand it

>>86126437
pathetic projection from a pathetic person

>>86126443
>he's unconsciously sabotaging his own efforts
Are you talking about Bruce or Zack?

>>86126437
Yeah, pretty much the same guys trying to tear it down, too. Guess which side typically has the better vocabulary, grammar, and grasp of literary and film techniques.

>>86126468
/thread

>>86126459
>people liked it
I'm talking about critical reception. Critics are supposed to see beyond "fun". I'm not at all surprised it was a box office hit, just that critics eat that shit up when they're the ones who are supposed to know better.

>>86126443
If you want to go this route, then why didn't he at least grapple with the assumption that Clark had some sort of alien psychic powers trying to fuck with him? You can throw all sorts of excuses at the wall to make them stick, but he does a complete 180 flip, changes his entire belief structure and then proceeds to help an alien all under 3 minutes.

And yes, it is headcanon what you said...

It's a shitty scene. Why can't you accept that?

>>86126475
>Guess which side typically has the better vocabulary, grammar, and grasp of literary and film techniques.
Judging by the posts here, I'd guess the ones that stay away from these threads.

>>86126495
Maybe it's just you?

>>86126289
No seriously, what problem did women have with Elektra? I'm curious. Why weren't they all over that female superhero film?

>>86126277
>muh plot holes

these would only be criticisms if you were too dumb to follow the film

superman had to fly over
she didn't
he did know
yep
when he found out who they were
yep
to make him look like someone who would blow shit up
no
to shit on people's perception of superman

I'm dun hier.

>>86126526
No

>>86126532
You didn't delve into any of these answers.

Here is an easy one: Lex had been fucking with that cripple for a year, it has been a year the checks are going back to Bruce. Why...? Did Lex always know Bruce was Batman? If so, how?

You people can't fucking address anything. Christ you are dumb.

>>86126532
>superman had to fly over
Is this a fucking joke response? Where was he? Waiting for the dramatic time to enter the scene? Why wasn't he hovering around waiting? That's his fucking girlfriend, you mean to tell me she went to a war zone and he just picked up on it, moments before ten other people are gunned down and Lois is almost droned to death?

>>86123802
kek

>>86126475
>Guess which side typically has the better vocabulary, grammar, and grasp of literary and film techniques.
>>86126532
Not the ones still trying to defend this piece of shit

>>86126559
You're right, it must have been the entire world.

Mom I've posted it again!

Batman in this movie represents the shoot first ask questions later policy that neocons including Obama, Hillary and their cronies and Trump most likely followed in the Middle East after 9/11. He's not supposed to be rational just like invading Irak on the off chance of finding WMDs at the cost of tens of thousand american lives wasn't rational. Now does that mean that America is a "villain"? Does that take away all those years being the "police of the world", saving entire continents from nazism or communism? No, it doesn't. America, as a country, as the people, were a misguided hero grieving the loss of a simpler, safer world after a brutal attack they couldn't make sense of, and taking extreme, villanous actions for a "good cause" under the subtle influence of shady figures who didn't hesitate in taking advantage of that need for justice and logic.

You'd say I'm reaching here and I will probably get only Evans memes as an answer but consider the following:
>the movie has a 9/11
>batman literally quotes Dick Cheney when asked for the reason to go after Superman
>"If there's a 1% chance that Pakistani scientists are helping al-Qaeda build or develop a nuclear weapon, we have to treat it as a certainty in terms of our response."
>Lex is a literal military complex industrialist orchestrating everything behind the courtains
>the movie addresses the responsability of MCMs in creating the necessary climate for a nonsensical confrontation (I'm sure this sat well with the MCM critics reviewing the movie lmao)
The movie has execution issues and no one ever will defend that Doomsday bullshit, one could argue that using the characters as metaphors is detrimental for the character themselves, but over the top criticisms based on preconceptions about the characters is the mark of the brainlet

>>86126566
It's shown Lex knows who they are when he's being playful with them at his party. Wayne corp. is a major competitor so it would make sense Lex did some digging and found out. If you're looking for more explanation than that, well there isn't. It assumed that someone like Lex would have the ability to find out.

>>86126608
When he heard guns

>>86126566
Cont.

Also, if Lex did know Bruce was Batman that whole time, then he knew about the kryptonite being stolen? How does he know Bruce is mad at Superman? Why would he bank so much on something he can't even prove? If he's even right in the first place that Bruce is Batman...a figure nobody has ever corroborated as to EVEN BE A REAL FUCKING PERSON.

so his plan is to have a hunch that a billionaire he's never met, may be this urban myth from another city over, is going to be mad at Superman and then build a robot mech suit to fight him?

I am getting angry at myself over how retarded this movie is.

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>>86120535
>Why are people who hate this film so completely incapable of expressing actual reasons why they dislike it?
I spent months here doing ah jeez threads listing out literally every possible nitpick there was. I wrote long, extensive essays about how the Director failed at executing his vision, and that you don't get an A for effort just for shoving renaissance imagery into your retarded kids movie.
>They just shitpost and meme their way out of it.
Well of course. The People v BvS has been thoroughly litigated. All that's left is the memes.
>its use of the leitmotif of perception versus reality plays into literally everything happening
motif
> up to and including the revelation at the end that Clark was looking at the world through a filter of his own, doing what we all do - focusing on the polarized extremes and missing the whole truth.
k. Not really but k.
>For another, it takes the three principles of the film, and uses them to craft an allegorical tale stressing the importance of communication across cultural divides and the perils of succumbing to xenophobia, paranoia, and a biased media.
A: kinda. It throws that shit in there.
B: It was not well done.
C: It was belligerent and annoying.
Many movies hit those themes too without having an endless series of monologues and Exposition News Network literally yelling that shit at the audience's face.
>Lastly, it uses the characters of Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman to represent different eras of myth in both pop culture and antiquity.
And it also had Lois Lane investigate a bullet for no reason for 5 scenes.
>all while doing honor to the history of comics as a medium in general
by ripping off renassaince religious imagery
>this film takes what Miller did with DKR
in that it copied a few cells and took the basic premise and created a retarded shotgun approach movie with no aesthetic flow or coherent unifying message, while also ambiguously sabotaging the fundamental aspects

>>86121368

What are you talking about? Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it's not a critique.

All this post proves is that you blindly dismiss any negative opinions about a Batman v Superman movie because, why?

It's like you're trying to convince the cool kids you're cool too. If you like the movie, sweet. Not everyone has to like it.

>>86126504
Bruce was looking for literally any excuse to stop himself from killing Superman. How do I know that?

Because when he could have made a bullet, he made a fucking spear.

He crafted a weapon that would force him to kill in a way that he simply can't - directly, face-to-face, and hands-on. Literally the only time we see him do anything remotely like that is in the Knightmare, and the message is just as clear there as it is throughout the rest of the film - a gradual descent into full-on vigilantism. The Bruce we see in the future, unsurprisingly, is even more comfortable with killing, doing things like shooting guys point-blank and snapping necks.

A spear, when one bullet and one revolver would have done the fucking job.

Now, please feel free to change your angle of attack from "muh headcanon" to "muh bad writing," because that's literally all you shitheads ever do.

>>86126716
>How does he know Bruce is mad at Superman
He literally explicitly states he's the one that's been fueling his rage for the past 2 years.

Brainlets, when will they listen?

>>86121350

Far better than she being useless damsel in distress/arm candy like every Marvel girlfriend.

>>86126744
/thread
Foreal people why are you replying to bait?

>>86126706
>I's shown Lex knows who they are when he's being playful with them at his party.
How does he know? When did he find out? How long did he know? This is so fucking stupid.
>Wayne corp. is a major competitor
COMPETITOR IN WHAT??? WHAT DOES SNYDERVERSE WAYNE CORP. DO?
>so it would make sense Lex did some digging and found out.
It literally doesn't.
>If you're looking for more explanation than that, well there isn't.
Because this movie is poorly written.
>It assumed that someone like Lex would have the ability to find out.
It would be great if the audience could see that....in a movie...

>>86126758
WHY HAS HE BEEN FUELING THE RAGE OF A PERSON HE "MAYBE" "SORTA" THINKS IS A FUCKING BAT DRESSED VIGILANTE?? WHY??? WHY IS HE DOING IT?

>>86126716
Because he's fucking hacked Bruce, dumbass. If Alfred can listen in on his conversations, you think Lex can't?

>>86126753
None of this makes any sense though. It literally doesn't.

>>86121106
>1) Superman is reduced to a secondary character in his own film.
It's not Man of Steel 2.
>2) Lex Luthor is reduced to a ADHD Zuckerberg with none of the control that the character is known and loved for.
"Not muh Lex" is not a valid criticism, judge the character on his own merits in context.
>3) The color gradient used for this film makes everything look bland and unappealing without actually adding character to the film
Somewhat valid, it's a very oppressing atmosphere and isn't to everyone's taste.
>4) The theatrical release cuts out crucial parts of the plot and stores them away for the extended edition (not technically an error with the film, but an underhanded business decision nonetheless)
Agreed, and it's the 3rd film this has happened to Snyder where his full cut is critically better.
>5) The death of Superman plotline is spent on the SECOND MOVIE OF THE FRANCHISE
Rather than moaning about which story went where, are you incapable of judging it on it's own merits? It makes sense in the context of the film, that's where your criticism stops. I could argue why Batman is in his mid 40s in the second installment, but it wouldn't be valid either.

>>86126807
>Because he's fucking hacked Bruce
When? Where? How? When does the movie show that Lex ever figures out Bruce is Batman? It makes it look like luck. You're an autistic retard.

>>86120535
Why exactly is it so dark?
The plotline is saturday morning cartoon tier, and yet its treated like a masterpiece because it has people looking sad the entire movie.

>>86126758
Buddy, I seriously want an answer. Why has he been fueling the rage of someone he doesn't even know or if they have any tangible connection to Batman? The other answer is he did, and this was some 12th dimensional long game chess to do....something. But that doesn't make any sense either. So Lex knew that if he pushed Bruce over the edge, that he'd make a mecha suit, steal Lex's krypronite and then punch Superman?

>>86126828
What diesn't make sense about it? That a man can't be at war with his own obsession? Because that's what it really was - Bruce's old and crumbling coping mechanism for his grief demanding "blood" from a man he knew didn't really deserve it.

He's lying to Alfred, and Alfred calls him out on it. Why is Bruce lying to him? Because that makes it easier to keep lying to himself, too. It wasn't about a "war," it wasn't about his legacy, and it for damn sure wasn't about justice. Vengeance was all it ever was.

>>86126806
Look at the text he sends to Bruce. He's more tham aware who he is, what he's been through and what he's lost.

You know, nowhere as retarded as an ex-Sokovian turned into some all-knowing mastermind.

>>86126845
I don't know, maybe it was when we saw that Lex could hack just about any other damn thing he pleases, yet another thing that "pointless advertisement" for the Justice League accomplished.

>>86126917
>What diesn't make sense about it?
It makes no sense that he'd use millions to modulate multiple kryptonian weapons and then fashion a fucking spear, just to go "jk lol" at the end. Nobody spends a whole rage-induced year planning to assassinate someone and then throw the sniper rifle out the window because your target had a mommy.

>>86120535
lex "the joker" luthor

>>86126931
What text? When does he send it? Show me. I don't remember a text message at all.

Fuck off with your whataboutism and talk about the fucking movie

>>86126956
You do if you're a bit of a nutjob. This isn't exactly new ground for Bruce, but that's probably something you'd have had to have read a comic book or two to know.

>>86126941
Literally when does Lex hack a single fucking thing?

>>86126786
are you going to ask me how Lex found out about WW and others too? It's shown that Lex has a lot of concermn for people with power who could get in his way so he's trying to do something about it

>>86126914
he does know who batman is and he knew batman was looking for something that he could fight superman with.

>>86126997
I'm a Batman fag you pretentious tard. But that doesn't change how the entire sequence made no sense in context to the film. You just keep making excuses.

>>86127021
>are you going to ask me how Lex found out about WW and others too?
Yes. Tell me how some autistic child managed to find out about a woman from a magically shrouded island and no living witnesses. Did he "hacks bro" her Mac book pro? Is he just hacking everyone all over the planet to find WW1 pictures?
>he does know who batman is
HOW???

>>86126845
The revelation is that he knows, not HOW he got the information. Are you dense?

>>86127082
But where even is that revelation? There literally is no narrative device to show the audience.

How is that not an important plot point to you? Their entire shtick is secret identities and we get an offscreen explanation? Fuck off you dense cunt.

>>86127082
>are you dense?
You already know the answer to that one.

>>86126853
>The plotline is saturday morning cartoon tier
Lmao what Saturday morning cartoon has courtrooms exploding and religious symbolism?

>>86127142
Xmen

>>86126914

There is no answer, because you're right anon. Lex's entire existence in this movie is a plot contrivance to have Batman and Superman fight each other, then eventually work together.

>>86127122
>But where even is that revelation? There literally is no narrative device to show the audience
When he fucking tells Superman he orchestrated the whole thing on the rooftop you moron.

>>86120535
>7 minute BvS scene in a 2.5 hour movie
>Lex's plan makes absolutely no sense
>Three pointless dream sequences
>Joyless Superman. How hard is it to have a little charisma and smile. He should be the All-American hero. It doesn't need to be overly cheesy but he needs at least some warmth.
>Big dumb CGI fight at the end instead of focusing on the Batman and Superman conflict
>Drawn out politic scenes that ultimately go nowhere
>unneccessary Wonder Woman (just introduce her in the solo film)
>introduces Justice League with email attachments and Bruce literally just watches a clip of each character
>BvS fight isn't actually a fight. Its a one-sided beat down that alternates with the krypton wearing off and then being reapplied. It would have been better to show the two characters at equal strength and fully engaging each other.

>>86127075
could it be that he's the CEO of a large corp who's also working with the the gov't. he found out about WW cause of cctv with facial recognition.

>>86127122
Permit me to illustrate what a dickhead you are.

When did Luke learn how to make a lightsaber? We never see him learning how. We know he loses Anakin's in ESB, yet he starts Jedi with a new green one. Later, Vader even comments on Luke's skills being complete because he *can* construct one. But where even is that revelation? There literally is no narrative device to show the audience.

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>>86127025
You're just a fag. Leave Batman out of it.

>>86127258
>>7 minute BvS scene in a 2.5 hour movie
Entire film is ideological, irrelevant
>>Lex's plan makes absolutely no sense
It makes total sense, Lex is a planning scheming super villain, apparently
>>Three pointless dream sequences
1 ties in to future films, the other two set up Bruces paranoia
>>Joyless Superman. How hard is it to have a little charisma and smile. He should be the All-American hero. It doesn't need to be overly cheesy but he needs at least some warmth.
"Not muh Superman" is not a criticism
>>Big dumb CGI fight at the end instead of focusing on the Batman and Superman conflict
"Not muh Superhero formula"
>>Drawn out politic scenes that ultimately go nowhere
They culminate in Act 3
>>unneccessary Wonder Woman (just introduce her in the solo film)
She was pretty necessary
>>introduces Justice League with email attachments and Bruce literally just watches a clip of each character
Agreed, this was stupid
>>BvS fight isn't actually a fight. Its a one-sided beat down that alternates with the krypton wearing off and then being reapplied. It would have been better to show the two characters at equal strength and fully engaging each other.
"Not muh Miller" is not a valid criticism.

Can you people judge the film on its own merits? Idiots judge with comparison, patricians judge the piece isolated.

>>86127197
He never says he knew who Batman was.

>>86127331
So, headcanon again?

>>86127434
He tells Bruce that he does, when he finally comes face to face with the Batman.

>>86127434
Jesus Christ did you watch the film?

He fucking says he orchestrated it with "a few notes, a few reminders" or something. Again I'm forced to ask. Are you fucking dense? Do you need everything spelled out

>Hey Superman you need to kill the bat to save your mum
>Also he's Bruce Wayne incase you didn't know

>>86127461
Except that doesn't happen at all you stupid fuck.

>>86127454
>headcanon
Is that what you call your boyfriend's dick, too?

>>86127472
So again, how did Lex know Bruce was Batman? Literally his entire year long plan hinges on this information.

I just want you to admit this is bad writing.

>>86127434
>And tonight they will. Yes. Because you, my friend, have a date! Across the bay. Ripe fruit, his hate. Two years growing. But it did not take much to push him over actually. Little red notes, big bang, you let your family die! And now, you will fly to him, and you will battle him, to the death. Black and blue. Fight night! The greatest gladiator match in the history of the the world: God versus man...

>>86127342
The lightsaber was never important in the original trilogy.

Bruce's secret literally informs him as a character, Luke's lightsaber doesn't.

I hate you. I hate you so much. You are so clearly retarded about this movie.

>>86127500
The REVELATION and the TWIST is that he KNOWS you fucking idiot.

ARE YOU FUCKING DENSE.

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>>86127476
Oh, I forgot. You're the stupid fuck who can't follow any hints or wordplay.

>"Look at us. This is how it all CAVES IN. Civilization on the WANE, MANNERs out the window."

You're right. That never happened. 4U.

>>86127524
But...how did he know Bruce was Batman?

>>86127500
The twist is that Lex knows he's Batman, and has known for 2 Years. See >>86127524

The twist is Lex was sending the notes. How he found out is irrelevant.

>>86127541
It's a dumb revelation that explains nothing. How can you not follow this criticism?

So Lex knew for 2 whole years who Batman was? And you think this helps the movie to make even more sense than it already doesn't?

>>86127551
Fuck off, troll. No one is this dense.

>>86127581
It EXPLAINS who was sending the fucking notes and who set up the fucking Superman smear campaign you fucking moron.

Christ. I'm out.

>>86127567
>it's irrelevant ;D
So, Lex knew that a billionaire was dressing up as a bat and beating up criminals, so he somehow rolled with this and assumed that if he psychologically tortured him for two years by writing cringy notes on back pay checks, that he would fund his own mecha suit to fight Superman, who Lex wants to defeat....2 years earlier....before he even knew about the crashed ship?

How do you not grasp the stupidity here?

>>86127581
Well, you tell me. Can you think of any reason that the world's wealthiest man might be interested in orchestrating a situation where the world's most powerful man has to kill the workd's second-wealthiest man when that man also happens to be the Batman?

>>86127585
>thinks BvS made sense
>not dense

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>>86121368
>Someone made this post
KYS

>>86127644
No, because all of that sounds absolutely retarded as fuck and overly complicated when a simple sanction would have whipped Superman in shape, that he would have followed the rules of anyway.

>>86127602
But WHY WAS HE DOING IT?

>>86127690
To orchestrate the downfall of superman you fucking moron