does anyone else think jamie lannister would be a good king?

>>86094033
He should have taken the throne when he saved King's Landing from Aerys.

>>86094033
>>86094152
Jaime has no desire to rule.

His only motivation at this point is Cersei's cunt.

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>>86094033
JonxDani will be King and Queen, Jaime will be Lord of the Rock maybe with Brienne, Sansa getting the North and maybe even the Riverlands (through the death of the Tullys) and the Vale (through marriage to Robin), Dike or Dickless will get the Iron ISles, some brown lady will get Dorne and some unintroduced queer will get the reach.

Idk about the stormlands.

>>86094257
and then cersei was married to robert. surely if jaime's only motivation was cersei then becoming kind was the perfect move, since if you love someone so much you dont want a hairy drunktard to fuck her every night... i mean unless someone is a cuck

>good general
>doesn't use scouts
>doesn't realize a horde of Dothraki and a giant flying lizard are nearby until the ground is rumbling from their charge

>>86095051
what if the scouts got eaten by a dragon

>>86094257
>Jaime has no desire to rule.
I think that's why Jaime would be the best king. He would do it because of his sense of duty and not for ambition.

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>>86095093
>good general
>uses incompetent scouts
>scouts all get killed
>no suspicions aroused when reports are coming back in from the scouts
>keeps entire army in a valley with no line of sight
>doesn't put any men on the hill to signal if something fucky is happening on the other side
>don't realize anything is wrong until thousands of men riding horses and a giant flying lizard are 100 yards away

>>86094033
he WOULD be a good king, but too shame he's a betacuck and cersei's boytoy who needs his sister's approval for everything he does.

>>86094033
No, a good HAND of the King maybe. Jamie's more of a field commander. Tyrion would make a good king.

>>86096263
Flip that, Jamie would be a 10/10 king with Tyrion as hand.

>>86094033
Do you still think a good general would make a good king?

t. fruitcake

>>86095274

Daenerys plot armor got him, not his fault.

>Not cruel
>Attempts to murder a child

>>86097519
Someone made a good point about that last night.

Him pushing bran was to save his entire family from being beheaded by the King.

Jaime did nothing wrong

>>86098611
This. Brann doesn't have a leg to stand on, if I was in his shoes I would understand. He should walk a mile in Jamies shoes.

>>86097519
That was old Jamie though, he has probably had the best character development arc in the series. Not saying he wouldn't do dickish things anymore, but I think for the standards set by the rest of the cast he's looking pretty good.

>>86098821
He should try to not be a crippled fucking retard! (am I doing this right?)

>>86094713
Brienne will be the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, she's a descendent of Ser Duncan and Martin loves that his stories end in full circle.

>>86096368
Jamie can be just as bad as Cersei and he is when it comes to her, he could only be a king if Cersei was dead. He also only has Cersei to live for as when Oleanna called him a fool for loving her and doing anything for her. He was always a good knight/Kingsguard but no one could trust the kingslayer as a king. Tyrion on the other hand knows politics and how to make people get along rather than fight so he'd make a better king overall.

>>86099135
Fresh off the boat, from reddit, kid? heh I remember when I was just like you. Braindead. Lemme give you a tip so you can make it in this cyber sanctuary: never make jokes like that. You got no reputation here, you got no name, you got jackshit here. It's survival of the fittest and you ain't gonna survive long on 4chan by saying stupid jokes that your little hugbox cuntsucking reddit friends would upboat. None of that here. You don't upboat. You don't downboat. This ain't reddit, kid. This is 4chan. We have REAL intellectual discussion, something I don't think you're all that familiar with. You don't like it, you can hit the bricks on over to imgur, you daily show watching son of a bitch. I hope you don't tho. I hope you stay here and learn our ways. Things are different here, unlike any other place that the light of internet pop culture reaches. You can be anything here. Me ? heh, I'm a judge.. this place.... this place has a lot to offer... heh you'll see, kid . . . that is if you can handle it.

He's like Ned. Both had a chance to take the throne but neither wanted it. They don't fit well into that role and more suited to the roles they had, until Ned became Hand anyway.

>>86094033
Jaime has 0 ambition, he would never rule.

>>86094152
Literally no-one but Tywin and Cersei would have supported Jaime as king, by the time Aerys died it was either Robert or Aegon/Viserys

>>86094033
Good but not as good as Tywin.

>>86099434
What did you just say about me you little bitch?

>>86097519
>>86098611
Yep, he did what he had to do. But still an asshole and he should still be punished for it.

>>86094033
He wouldn't, he's a dumb fuck. Tywin would have made a great king.

>>86094713
King and Queen of the Iron Throne: Jon/Daenerys
Lady of the North: Sansa Stark
Lord of the Riverlands: Edmure Tully/his newborn son
Lord of the Vale: Robin Arryn/Yohn Royce
Queen of the Iron Islands (Dany promised them independence): Yara Greyjoy
Lord of the Westerlands: Tyrion Lannister (I can't see Dany or Jon letting Jaime hold any power if he doesn't die vs. the Others)
Lord of the Stormlands: Gendry Baratheon (legitimised)
Lord of the Reach: A minor Tyrell cousin or Samwell Tarly
Princess of Dorne: Sarella Sand

This is just going by the show anyway

>>86099851
I said youre REDDIT
to prove me wrong, post your boi puss in a /b/ thread like every 4chan'r has

>>86094713
>Daenerys
>Letting the man who killed her father, committed incest (indirectly usurping the throne in doing so) and tried to kill her be a Lord Paramount

>Jon
>Letting the man who crippled his brother be a Lord Paramount

Jaime will probably bend the knee to Dany at some point. It's kind of been a sticking point throughout the series of how he's the kingslayer. It's really the only way I see him regaining his honor. In turn I guess he gets Casterly Rock.

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>>86094257
>MFW in the books Jaime gives up Cersei's pussy by burning her letier
>He's pussy whipped in the show

>>86099996
> post your boi puss in a /b/ thread like every 4chan'r has

Imagine being you in that thread and having to be all like "damn, Anon, you fuckin' fine, all sexy with your tight body and horrific androgynous monster face. I would totally have sex with you, both my online persona and the real me."

>>86094152
>Lannisters fighting the Stark-Baratheon-Tully-Arryn alliance at its height

top kek they wouldve stomped on the Lannisters in like 1 scene from the show

Do you think episode 5 will be leaked too this week?

Or dare i say, the next 3 episodes?

He's learned alot and can continue to. HE COULD BE, in the future, a great king. Just a bit more time.

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>>86100039
>Letting a manlet be one instead

>>86100224
Both Dany and Jon are on good terms with Tyrion though

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>>86094033
>cersei
>cruel

>>86100304
>murdering hundreds of innocents including her family in the Sept of Baelor
>Having the woman she though Tyrion was fucking beaten
>What she did to Ellaria Sand (I know she killed her daughter, but jesus fuck)

>>86100379
Punished Ros is best Ros

>>86100379
No worse than what most characters have done on this show. She's just framed as the villain.

>>86100211
>>86100055
Not in this timeline. It's more about if he could be a good king not when. It would actually never happen.

>>86100420
The only ones who have done worse are Daenerys and Ramsay

>>86096263
>. Tyrion would make a good king.

No one would accept a midget as a king, it would look weak to the public and allies

>>86100257
Tyrion might want to continue being hand, like his father was to aerys. He can make a positive change by keeping Dany restrained.

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>>86100921
>Dany
>restrained

>>86097168
thats not plot armor, thats next level plot super powers. entire x-men ain't got shit on this bitch

>>86100082
Yeah they fucked up his character in the show, he's my favorite character in the books his chapters were always great.

>>86100170
They weren't fighting for the throne though, it was just an excuse for Robert to smash some skulls and get Lyanna back, if the Lannisters had held on to KL after the sack im sure Ned would have been pissed about it but Robert wouldn't have cared that much

>>86101010
his POV chapters turned him into one of my favorites. Travelling a wartorn country fresh after losing his hand, rethinking everything he throught he knew, trying to become a better person... quality stuff

Tywin was the last competent Lannister.

>Cersei is far too cruel to rule.
>Jamie is a vain child that still hasn't realized how far out of his depth, things have gotten.
>Tyrion has grabbed the Dragon by its tail and doesn't know what to do now.
>joffrey was an immature figurehead. he needed someone like Ned Stark to mold him into a proper king
>Tommen was immature. instead of being arrogant like Joffrey. He was too easily swayed by the wrong people.

Tywin didn't have a very good plan. If his intentions were to usurp the Baratheon crown and establish Lannister as the royal family. Then he should have told Jamie to keep his dick out of Cersei and deny Robert any heirs, legit or not. Then Cersei could be on the Iron throne, once the Baratheon brothers and their heirs were delt with.

>>86099969
>Lord and Lady
>not Wardens to their respective regions

Show pleb

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>>86100947
Tyrion is hungry for power and has a desire to create a long lasting legacy just like his father. Perhaps the common people will cheer for the halfman louder than their retarded incest bendini queen

>>86100921
He can be Hand and a Lord Paramount at the same time, plenty of people have
>Ned Stark
>Tywin Lannister
>Jon Arryn
>Orys Baratheon

>>86101102
They're only Wardens when it comes to the North, Vale (East), Westerlands (West) and Reach (South). The Lords of the Iron Islands, Riverlands, Stormlands and Dorne aren't.

>>86094033
childhood is idolizing stannis

adulthood is realizing Jamie makes more sense

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>>86101256
Said no kid ever

>>86101013
>being this naive

top kek. they were plotting to overthrow the Targs long before the Lyanna drama

>>86101560
They wanted to install Rhaegar

>>86101256
Elderhood is knowing that the 7 kingdoms should be reformed into an empire with Euron as emperor

>>86101670
no they didnt. They wanted to check Targ's absolute power and remove them. Historically Great Houses rarely intermarry and dont interact much. The generation of the rebellion (Hoster Tully, Jon Arryn etc..) were clearly plotting a conspiracy to overthrow the Targs for a long time. Theres a reason Robert and Ned were sent to foster with Arryn, its extremely rare for a firstborn heir like Bobby B to be fostered at someone else's seat for such a long time, and Catelyn Tully marrying a Stark, the Baratheon-Tully-Stark-Arryn alliance was formed long before the Rebellion, hell even Hoster Tully and Tywin almost arranged a Jaime-Lysa marriage (before Jaime was in the KG) in an effort to bring the Lannisters into the alliance, but that marriage plan was ruined when Jaime was named to the KG, completely catching Tywin off-guard

>>86101825
Jaime dodged a bullet there

>>86101010
>>86101074
>>86100082
Same, Thought he was an incestous dumbass who had no clear plan, goal, or honor. It was very surprising and enjoyable to find out he was probably the most honorable of the kingsguard and all the evil he did was to stop an even greater evil.
His show counterpart well like anon said
>>He's pussy whipped

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Is Jaime, dare I say it, /ourguy/?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RET4E58u51I

>>86094033
If the Lannisters could marry each other, he would be king.

>>86099280
Tyrion is a pompous midget. He would make for a terrible king.

>>86103410

Why didn't I see it guys

Jamie was always our guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LkFN54_Wxc

>>86095051
The scouts are on horses, Dany is on a much faster dragon. She caught and killed the scouts before they could get back to Jaime.

>>86104060
They would have by now if Cersei didn't need Euron. They clearly don't give a fuck about keeping it a secret anymore, and the Faith doesn't have their shit together enough to oppose it.

I think Jaime will be Lord of Casterly Rock when all is said and done. Yes, he fought the Mad King, but so did almost everyone else except Dorne and the Reach.

>>86095177
Bobby had no desire to be king, see how he turned out
Jaime only wanted to fuck his sister, always, he wouldn't give two shits about the kingdoms (which hated him) as a king

>>86094033
Don't forget that he's handsome af as well.

>>86104368
Drogon is pretty damn massive and it looked like the surrounding area was mostly plains so several scouts could have seen the dragon coming from miles away.

At this point in the show i just want the white walkers to kill everybody. No survivors no happy ending, just everybody fucking dies.

>>86100082
>letier
what

>>86104686
He means the letter.
Still wrong though because he still thinks about going back to her, and he replies to a guy who asks her if he has a wife that he's got a sister.

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>>86104441
>tfw we'd have king Jaime by now if it wasn't for YASSS QUEEN Targaryen

>>86103410
damn that was good. I always hated how Ned dismisses Jaime smugly and acts like an asshole to him.

>>86105745

Why did Ned hate him so much outside of muh honor?

>>86100379
>>What she did to Ellaria Sand (I know she killed her daughter, but jesus fuck)
that wasn't even bad, just ask Septa Unella

>>86105859
No sister to fuck.

>>86100039
>Daenerys TARGARYEN will punish Jaime for incest out of all thing (after marrying her nephew btw)

>>86100152
>implying it should be done out of pleasure and not obligation

>Honorable

I like Jaime plenty, but he is definitely not honorable. That's a huge part of his character, honor and vows don't mean anything to him, he lives by his own personal sense of morality and only that.

>>86104523

George Washington had no desire to rule

>>86094033
That depends, what is his tax policy?

>>86106514
But honor clearly does mean something to him. He wanted to keep his vows, but Aerys was the most dishonorable and mad king to have ever existed (arguably).

>>86106514
A big part of his character is pretending to be the honourless Kingslayer people see him as.
He started as someone who believed heavily in idealised chivalry, and his great breaking of an oath was to save the whole realm.

>>86107309
>He started as someone who believed heavily in idealised chivalry, and his great breaking of an oath was to save the whole realm.

The weird thing is that in most fantasy stories, Jamie killing the Mad King would be the heroic climax. The brave young son of a noble house with a golden lion as their crest saves the capital city and ends the war.

Rewatching Jaime in season 1 is maximum comfy.

>>86106621
That's a little different. Washington was entering into an office that had 4-year terms, giving him a way out at the end of any of those terms. He also knew he had competent people surrounding him who could succeed him and run the country properly. Kingship doesn't work that way, Jaime couldn't just abdicate, pick his smartest advisor and say "ok, you're up!". It's for life or until his son is old enough, and who's to say that son will be any good considering how useless his last two sons were?

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>>86103410
/ourazorahai/

>>86105859
Ned hates oathbreakers.

>>86108246
Which is kind of retarded, because Ned of all people should realize that:

>Jaime swore to defend the innocent and serve the king, doing both was impossible
>He himself swore an oath to serve the king and broke it, as did all the other lords who joined him in rebelling against the Targaryens

>>86103410
now THAT is kino

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take cersei out of the picture and yes

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>>86108852
>take cersei out of the picture

>Eddard Stark: Is that what you tell yourself at night? You're a servant of justice? That you were avenging my father when you shoved your sword in Aerys Targaryen's back?
>Jaime Lannister: Tell me: if I'd stabbed the mad king in the belly instead of the back, would you admire me more?
>Eddard Stark: You served him well when serving was safe.

B L O W N THE F U C K OUT

>>86109770
Ned is a retarded moralfag.

>>86109770
This only works if you leave out the part where Aerys told Jaime to kill his own father then said "oh by the way, I'm about to kill everyone in King's Landing".

>>86105859
Ned doesn't have the full story. He doesn't know about Aerys planning to burn down King's Landing. All he knows is:

>Jaime served the king
>The king started losing
>Jaime killed the king

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Literally everything started because people were suspicious of the Baratheon kids. Mind your own business for fuck's sake.

>>86108983
..well i wouldnt but to be a good king

>>86110440
What, even the fat fuck went on record that Cersei loves only Jaime and her children. She would marry him if she could and he'd be her king.

>>86110091
THIS
H
I
S

who cares if those weren't Rob's kids? he didn't run the kingdom the small counsel did. he didn't care for his kids either. he only cared for drinking, whoring and crying about his oneitis. Jon Arryn and Ned should've left it all alone.

>>86108983
Still the finest looking woman on the show.

>>86108379
Ned's biggest flaw was putting too much focus on being honorable and expecting everyone else to be held to the same standard. Like Jaime put it, Ned had walked in on a dead king and Jaime sitting on the throne; he wasn't interested in hearing what happened because he assumed it was something dishonorable. He didn't really have room in his mind for an acceptable situation where Jaime would break an oath.

>>86110753
Why does Cogman think he's being progressive for keeping her hair short? Fucking faggot, Cersei loves her long hair.

>>86106731
>The less fortunate deserve a hand up, not a hand out :^)

>>86110827
>hair grows down to your knees in a matter of days

>>86110827
>Cersei loves her long hair.
She also has serious penis envy and wishes she'd been born a man. The short hair is probably just meant as an easy way to convey that visually.

>>86094152
And got his head popped by a certain hammer.

>>86110827
You have patrician taste, my man.

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>>86110578
>they're blonde so they can't be Baratheons
>everyone and their dog proceeds to dig and prod to find out their parentage
For what purpose? Bobby B had a fuckton of bastards, didn't even suspect or care, didn't even love Cersei and only attempted to fuck her when he was drunk, literally why were outsiders so invested?

>>86111004
>muh honor
>muh rightful heir
the two people who were heavily invested were obsessed with oaths and honor. vesyrs and littlefinger knew but didn't care. they knew it was too much trouble and the realm was safe as long as cersei and rob were married and the secret was safe

>>86110578
>who cares if those weren't Rob's kids?
Family was extremely important so everyone that cared about House Baratheon would have cared, especially Stannis and Renly.

Also Joffrey was Mad King-tier levels of retarded and malacious so getting rid of him was a nice bonus too.

>>86108379
Actually, as Kingsguard, he swore to defend the king at all costs. Ned didn't betray the king, either, as Stannis was the rightful king, technically speaking.

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>>86111151
>tfw it's canon that Cersei loved Joffrey because he looked like a mini Jaime (at least in the books)

>>86111193
Oops, missed the last part about Targeryans, but then again, they killed his father and brother. That is pretty much justification for breaking an oath.

>>86094033
I think he has too much baggage to be the actual figurehead but he would be great as a powerful advisor if not the Hand. Basically, he belongs in the void his father left.

>>86111092
Littlefinger just cared about his own power(and Catelyn's magical red-haired pussy) so he'd expose or hide that fact depending on what was politically convenient for him while Varys doesn't care about the nobility in particular.

In a culture where family is everything it seems that the Lannisters are trying to steal an entire kingdom from under the Baratheons and unless they can get a piece of that pie they'll obviously be protesting.

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>>86094713
>>86099969
Or maybe, you know, the Whitewalkers win?

>>86110950
Is this a spoiler

>>86111482
they might be stealing the right to be king from the Barotheons but not the kingdom. Remley has far too much political power to ever be removed same as Littlefinger and Vesrys. They have too much money and friends.
>>86111688
reddit

>>86111482
>In a culture where family is everything it seems that the Lannisters are trying to steal an entire kingdom from under the Baratheons
I don't believe either Jaime or Cersei thought of that that way when they conceived their children.

>>86111743
>they might be stealing the right to be king from the Barotheons but not the kingdom
Same thing, fact stands that Jon and Ned fought a massive war to help the Baratheons on the Iron Throne and now they're being usurped by the Lannisters who are hated especially by Ned. They're backstabbing his best-friend and stealing his legacy so obviously he's getting a bit upset over it.

>>86110091
jesus, so much introductionary exposition in a one-minute clip.. and people say the show was good back then, kek. literally on-the-nose with information.

>>86111874
Cersei wanted to spite Robert while Jaime was just thinking muh dik(while also disliking Robert), usurping power was obviously what they were trying to do at the end of season 1 though.

Jaime has done absolutely nothing to prove he's a good general

>>86103410
kino

>>86111901
That's a petty grudge.

>>86112028
He took Riverrun and Highgarden in less than a day each time.

>>86110827
Because she is actually a transgender. Mark my words, it will be revealed.

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>>86112341
>tranny
>had 3 kids, soon to be 4
???

>>86110827
>hair cuts
Like costume changes, it's a visual storytelling thing that signals to the imbecilic audience that there's been a significant character arc change.

>dany sue was never bald

>>86112453
So the fact that Dany didn't go bald is meant to convey to the audience that she's the good guy?

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>>86094033
He killed his own cousin to set up the same kind of distraction he could've created just by getting said cousin to play along.

Not clever, always slow on the uptake.

>>86100082
He also casually blurted out a shit load of Westeros secrets to someone who couldn't talk. Then HBO threw that kino out

>>86112394
>What is F to M?
Do you have severe retardation?

>>86104246
He used to be. Just like Jamie used to be a douche before he got his hand cutoff.

I forget if he murdered his cousin in the books and the movies both. Also why would he do that?

>>86112928
Tyrion is still a pompous midget.

>>86094033

Why didn't Jamie juke the dragon out and try to get an eye shot or at least wound Kelly C and that way put the fear of God in her like he did to Robb Stark.

>>86112617
Oh shit it's been a while since I read FFC and DOD. Who'd he tell?

>>86111237
"The king will kill thousands of innocents and my father" is justification for oathbreaking too.

>>86111874
They did in the books, Cersei aborted any child she thought was Robert's.

Who's ruling Dorne and the Stormlands now? I'm assuming Randyll Tarly is ruling the Reach now too since he was promised it. And was it ever stated who Jon gave the Dreadfort to? I'm guessing it rightfully belongs to Sansa, since she was Ramsay's wife and all the Boltons are dead.

>>86094033
>good fighter
Not anymore with a fake right hand
>good general
How? He lost like a bitch to both the Dothraki and Robb all those seasons ago.
>tough but not cruel like Cersei
He pushed Bran down a building and taunted Catelyn about it. He also killed his cousin Alton just to get out, and never feels any remorse for being a kinslayer.
>decently intelligent
He's too stupid to realize that Cersei's a crazy bitch who's gonna be another Aerys.
>empathetic but not a pussy like Khaleesi
Yeah, he was sure empathetic when going to King's Landing and looking stoic at all those burnt bodies at the remains of the Sept of Baelor.
>honorable but not a retard like the Starks
I already mentioned he was a kinslayer, and a rapist in season 4
>already part of the royal family
Stealing a throne through incest doesn't make you royal at all.

>>86116407
>Outnumbered easily by the Dothraki and they have a fucking dragon
Even the finest general couldn't have won that one

>Robb
Tywin was the general there, it's his fault for not anticipating the trap Robb was setting

>He pushed Bran down a building and taunted Catelyn about it.
He pushed him to save his life, Cersei's life, and the lives of their children. And I don't remember him taunting Cat about it, only admitting he did it but refusing to say why.

>Never feels any remorse
He definitely does, it's alluded to when he tells Tyrion there's no word for killing cousins, and confesses it as one of his sins to the High Sparrow I think

>He's too stupid to realize that Cersei's a crazy bitch who's gonna be another Aerys.
Love blinds the smartest of people, and he's beginning to realise, with the look he gave Cersei after she blew up the sept, his reaction to her letting the maid see them, and the advice Olenna gave him. He was clearly doubting himself and only flimsily trying to justify it with the last one.

>Yeah, he was sure empathetic when going to King's Landing and looking stoic at all those burnt bodies at the remains of the Sept of Baelor.
He looked incredulous.

>I already mentioned he was a kinslayer, and a rapist in season 4
He feels regret for the kinslaying and had to do it to escape, and the "rape scene" wasn't intended to be rape, more dubcon than anything.

>already part of the royal family
He is. He's the ruling queen's sister.

>>86115991
Ser Ilyn Payne.
And HBO didn't trow that kino out, the actor died

>>86116797
He didn't die, he got terminal cancer but managed a miraculous recovery via experimental surgery. His health's still poor though, which is why he hasn't returned.

>>86112617
>inb4 Ilyn Payne is one of Varys's little birds

>>86116848
Oh really! Good to know.
I had no idea of that. I think I stop caring about any news related to the show's production at this point.

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>Dany gathers up the remaining Lannister soldiers
>Alright, it's bend the knee time. Fight for me or die
>there's a silence. Lannister soldiers are noticeably afraid
>Suddenly a young Ed Shereen speaks up
>I don't want to die. There's no doubt about that. I especially don't like the idea of burning to death. But as you and your dragon hovered over us and rained death upon us I indeed feared for my life. If you had asked then I probably would have taken you up on this offer.
>Daenerys has an arrogant smirk on her face but Ed Shereen continues
>But you came down I saw Jamie charging at you. Jamie, who could've ran and left us. But he chose to stay, and fight here with us. He probably knew he would've died trying to kill you but he still tried. He was willing to die... for us. I just feel that the least I can do is be willing to die for him.
>Daenerys's smile vanishes, and one by one each Lannister soldier starts to mumble in agreement
>Slowly, but assuredly, a chanting grows.
>NEVER SURRENDER! NEVER SURRENDER!
>Danerys is furious now.
>So be it then.
>Drogon opens his mouth... and Ed Shereen is ashes

>>86101730
Lichhood is deducing that both Westeros and Essos and all lands beyond should capitulate under the unified dominion of Gylbert Farwynd

>>86103410
Wow, didn't expect that

>>86109861
Right; which Ned didn't know about

>>86094033
Show Jaime is a pussywhipped cuck.

Book Jaime managed to break the spell but he still doesn't give enough of a shit to do the job. He'd basically be like Robert.

Jaime is retarded if you haven't picked that up by now you're lost

>>86116797
>>86116848
the show recasted a bunch of characters so I doubt him getting ill would really make a difference.

>>86099747
>>86110950
Robert Baratheon literally gave no shits about being king.

If he'd heard Jaime had crowned himself king after killing Aerys, Robert probably would have laughed, congratulated Jaime for killing a Targ shit, and gone home to drink and fuck.

And with Robert not caring, the Tullys, Arryns and Starks probably would have gone along with it.

THE LAST REMAINING HERO OF WESTEROS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RET4E58u51I

>>86100379
>murdering hundreds of innocents including her family in the Sept of Baelor
this show is dumb.

shit just happens now because they want it to happen, realistic consequences don't exist. she bombs the sept, the people in attendance weren't street urchins, they were the whose who of kings landing, probably a great deal of prominent families in the city, but does she experience any consequences for this? nope, now shes just queen and everyone accepts it. every religious flagellant type drops the issue.

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>>86103410
damn, now I'm a /lannister/

>>86102015 you'll never convince your batshit crazy wife to have a threesome with your sister...feels bad man

>>86094033
Yeah, he'd unironically be better than any of the people who may actually end up King or Yas Queen.

>>86099135
>>86099434
>>86099851
>>86099996
>>86100152
>>86106416
excellent work gentlemen

>>86101174
You can name whoever you want Warden, it is just traditionally given to them.

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Who was in the wrong here?

>>86104304
Welcome to the club

>>86095177
Especially Book Jaime by this point. He's unironically become very honorable, and aspires to uphold knightly values, at least to a reasonable degree.

>>86101174
Its "Lord/Lady Paramount of X right?

>>86094033
he's the reason why everything happened.

>>86098611
What the fuck was Brann even going to say to anyone anyway? He didn't even know what he saw and probably would have forgotten it five minutes later. And his word alone wouldn't even reach the king. And if they did the king was so fucking drunk that whole trip he would probably just laugh. There was absolutely no proof. Jamie only made things worse by doing what he did like a stupid retard

>>86100082
>Jaime born holding onto Cersei's foot
>Jaime loses hand
>Cersei walks barefoot through King's Landing, bloodies her feet, and walks through shit
>Possible infection in Winds of Winter could see her foot being amputated, physically manifesting the severing of their bond
BRAVO MARTIN

>>86119411
No. Little Finger is the reason everything is happening.

>>86107982
Washington actually set the 2 term precedent himself which is all the more reason he is so adored now
Dude was undoubtedly the most popular man in the country and could have stayed in office until his death, but stepped away for the sake of democracy when a new nation was finding it's way, and also he did kinda hate being a leader

>Jaime born holding onto Cersei's foot
>Cersei walks barefoot through King's Landing, bloodies her feet, and walks through shit
How lewd

>>86119650
Little Finger wouldn't have a fire to fan if Jaime didn't push Bran.

>>86119706
That was the High Sparrow's punishment scene. The show did mention her bloody feet, but the book also mentioned that those bloody feet also stepped in "nightsoil", which is just a polite term for street shit.

>>86119838
Bran would never have been pushed out of the window if Little Finger hadn't had the king's hand poisoned.

>>86111874
Jaime didn't, that whore did though

>>86118199
They didn't want to recast Ilyn Payne though, because no other actor could replace that guy's unnerving stare. They didn't recast Old Nan out of respect either when her actress died before season 1 started airing.

>>86119334
Both. For example, Jon Arryn was Lord Paramount of the Vale as well as Warden of the East before he died.

>>86119334
>>86121525
Also woth noting the "Warden of the X" titles were created by Aegon the Conqueror to deal with certain threats from the respective directions:
>Warden of the North defends against Wildling invasions
>Warden of the West defends against Ironborn raiding
>Warden of the East defends against attacks from Essos
>Warden of the South defends aginst Dornish incursions (back when Dorne wasn't part of the Seven Kingdoms)

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Why does the show keep namedropping the Golden Company when the most important plot point the GC are connected to got dropped?

>>86121672
Because Cersei will send Euron to hire them at the end of the season, and apparently, according to alleged Season 8 leaks from the HBO hack, he takes Storm's End with them next season.

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>>86103410
/ourguy/
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LkFN54_Wxc

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>>86118833
nice digits

>>86094033
>>good general
He's actually a bad commander.

>>86094033
>Danny wins and takes the throne
>credits roll
>post-credit scene, Jamie kingslays Danny and takes the thrown
Wouldn't that be nice

>>86121802

What the fuck is even happening in the Stormlands? Stannis got killed with al lhis troops they wouldn't even be in any position to resist.

Also the meme is probably going to be the GOlden Company rejecting Cersei and joining Dany since she's the only Targ left.

>>86119446
Are you retarded or what? Bran is the son of Ned Stark, the best friend of the king, him opening his mouth would absolutely destroy the Lannisters and once Robert found out that his kids aren't really his he probably would have slaughtered every Lannister in town and then rode to Casterly Rock to finish the job.

>>86094919
I don't think she did, she mentions that he was always fucking whores and when he tried to get it on with her he whispered "Lyanna" into her ear, so she got mad and refused. Cersei also managed to convince him the kids were his, he didn't remember because he was nearly always drunk and all his whore orgies just blended together.
I think Robert's the cuck here.

>>86119066
Book Jaime has always dreamed of being knightly, but it's digressed that everyone thought of him as an unbearable piece of shit for having slain Aerys, and he pretty much decided it would be easier to play into those stereotypes about him than try to reform his image. Everyone he hoped would one day respect him, Barristan, Arthur Dayne, etc... had disavowed him and he saw no chance of redemption.
Until the ASoIaF plot-points. It's a great arch, the best in the series probably.

>>86122537
Both are my dude.
He did fuck her, just not very often. Or very well for that matter.

>>86121672
>Golden Company
>the most elite and honorable mercenary force whose ranks are filled with the sons and grand-sons of Blackfyre loyalists
>great segue into a storyline of lords wanting to reclaim their lands from which they were exiled
>show is probably going to make them all arab/black, and ditch the exiled lords part, so we get clued in on how they are "exotic"
Hold me bros.

>>86122537
he did fuck her she said when he did find his way on top of her she would finish him off her different ways. She he either came in his asshole or shes a cum swallowing slut one of the two.

>>86122537
Cersei fucks around more in the books. Does she fuck anyone in the show other than Jaime?

>>86094919
IIRC it was also to piss of Tywin because with Jaime a kingsguard Tyrion would be his default heir.

I don't know if I miss the more blatant penis envy Cersei has in the books.

>>86122746
>Does she fuck anyone in the show other than Jaime?
Lanciel before she torches his ass.

>>86099969
what a cucked list

>>86119650
Bran is Littlefinger.

>>86122121
wtf I love Skyfall now

>>86119693
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Order_No._11_%281862%29

>>86114663
Explain.

>>86124349
wtf I love the Union now?

>>86100082

Jaime gets into a verbal fight with Cersei and ditches her in the season finale, so he finally frees himself from her clutch.

>>86125734
It's not exactly like that.

>>86105859
He saw him sitting on the throne after killing the king

>>86111738
Robert's warhammer that killed Rhaegar, doofus

>>86118228
Actually, Robert was going to kill him if he didn't get out of the throne.

Theon would be the best king.

>no kids or pussy problems
>seen everything imaginable
>now a good guy
>liberal and a cuck
>part of a royal family

>>86121802
>according to alleged Season 8 leaks from the HBO hack

WHAT?? Where can I find them

>>86126940
They were made up on *eddit.

>>86126733
he was just keeping it warm bro

>>86122730
>cum swallowing slut
She talks about how it gave her sexual pleasure to consume his sperm after he'd passed out in bed, talking about how "each mouthful was another horde of his miserable bastards she was killing before they ever saw the light of day" or something.

Cersei is fucked in the head like that.

>>86117406
Eternalhood is understanding that the dragons are halting progression and thus should be destroyed completely along with the Iron Throne and then letting the 7 kingdoms rule themselves sovereign.

>>86127037
She licked it from her hands/face thinking that she was eating his heirs.
It was funny to read, Cersei's chapters are entertaining.

>>86127173
BeyondEternityhood is concluding that once Danny and her killer are dead Dragons are the only true neutral beings in the kingdom, and should rule the kingdom.

>>86103410
He was always /ourguy/. He gets a chance to be a real commander in the books and damn, he's good.

>>86127037
quality writing right there

>>86099851
I'll have you know

>>86095274
you cant really apply this kind of logic anymore in this show

>>86111198
Cersei/Jaime is legitimately the best love story in the books. Fucked up, but definitely the most interesting.

>>86127847
Well there are other couples but they're marginally relevant to the story.

>>86127573
Awakenedhood is realizing the mythos is nothing but a marionette on strings manipulated by two inept "gods" who have decided that the night is in fact not dark nor full of terrors.

>>86126989
>>86126733
Bobby's reaction when Ned was whining to him about it was funny as hell.
>So? It's not like that damn room has any other chairs to sit on.

>>86099434
I do it for the (You)s

>>86117058
Kino

I have always hated the lannisters but when it comes to them fighting dany i will root for jamie.

Using foriegn invaders and dragons is disgusting. Cant wait to see one of those faggots get killed.

>>86117058
post image without text pls

>>86128776
What exactly is she planning on doing with the Dothraki after she gets the Iron Throne anyway? They're useful, but their culture is completely incompatible with Westeros.

>>86129242
Dany has always thought that she can simply force her will on people and make them act the way she wants, regardless of the local circumstances. In the books, her crusade on Essos was all about that. Her rule was a disaster for that region.

>>86094033
He pushed the kiddo off the tower. That was a shit move.

>>86129386
Was it really?
>Let the kid live, he talks: Jaime, Cersei, and their kids get beheaded, civil war erupts, tens of thousands die
>Push the kid: one kid dies

>>86094033
I think at some point when it was trilogy GRRM had a different idea in mind for Jaime. OP you may be more right than you realize. Except GRRM decided Sansa to be ruler in the end :^)

>>86129386
i think we are learning Bran has a proclivity to find people while they are having sex. Future Bran may have encouraged it, may need to place blame on both at this point.

>>86122839
Welcome to D&D's Game of Thrones!

>>86121672
because it's a red herring in the books

only a literal retard would think Griff Blackfyre is actually Aegon VI Targaryen

>>86126912
[citation needed]

>>86094033
He will be captured, hanged, drawn and quartered by the Dothraki ubermensch. A fitting end for a traitor.
Long Live the Queen.

>>86094033
>empathetic but not a pussy like kalisi

Autists always calling her that like it's her name

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>>86119650
Little Finger in the bum, it all fits

>>86103410
Absolutely. King Jaime is the best thing Westeros can hope for. Maybe with Tyrion as hand, but there's other good advisors out there too. The throne should be Jaime's though, that much is certain. Too bad this shit's been hijacked by SJWs who would never accept a story where he comes out on top, even though Martin started to series basically as a huge "IDGAF about tropes and honor and convenient black and white endings".

A some people already said, he's dumb.

>>86104523
Bobby had no desire to care for his people either. Sure, he wasn't a greedy power-hungry fuck. But he was narcissistic and self-obsessed all the same. Jaime might share Bobby's lack of ambition but he doesn't share his apathy. Although who knows it might take all the fucks he's got left to give for him to kill Cersei. It's entirely possible he'll be dead inside once he does that and will go back to hating the world again. Truly the best and most tragic character arc.

>>86111004
>if there blonde that means there not baratheon
I dont get how lannisters have super powerful blonde hair genes but jon has black hair instead of targaryen white

>>86105732
He has no claim to the throne, cockface.

>>86134177
He's Azor Ahai, though. He has a divine claim.

>>86134236
not my gods.

>>86134125
I don't think it's that Lannisters have super powerful genes, it's what on earth are the odds of a blonde-haired/green-eyed woman and a black-haired/brown-eyed man producing 3 blonde-haired/green eyed children, none of whom even remotely resemble the black-haired man?

>>86134177
considering cersei usurped it, guess who inherits her titles once she dies since she has no sons

>>86134317
Especially when there are two men (Jaime and Lancel) with the same physical characteristics as Cersei and her children, and it's fairly well-known in the red keep that Cersei and Robert don't like each other and certainly wouldn't be having sex more than necessary. Doesn't take a genius to put it together, there's a reason why so many people in Westeros believed Stannis when he told everyone.

>>86111688
That's the ideal outcome, but obviously not happening

>>86101094
Jaime as King plus Tyrion as Hand would have brought peace and stability to Westeros

>>86134581
It's weird that Cersei proclaimed herself Queen Cersei of the House Lannister. As Cersei Baratheon she was the rightful queen already.

>>86134125
Several Targaryens had dark hair, that was the result of mixing with Andals. Rhaegar's daughter with Elia Martell had dark hair.

>>86134177
Once Jaime beat Dany and kicks the Night King's ass nobody will give a shit about him not having a legitimate claim.

>>86094033
>Braavos and Free Cities some of the most powerful economies due to free trade with the world.
>Westeros a literal feudal shithole that hasn't caught on.
Jaime's actor once joked about ending the monarchy and installing a republic. That would probably actually happen after the Night King loses.

>>86126912

It was Ned who found him sitting on the throne next to the dead Targ shit, and told him not to get comfortable.

Jaime wanted neither the throne nor the risk of taking on prime Ned.

>>86134729
I bring this up often, but no. She had no claim anymore once Tommen married Margaery, who was literally just crowned a month ago. Technically, the Tyrell family is now the ruling family according to Westerosi law...but this show and nobody in it, cares I guess.

>>86134887
>prime Ned
He already casted his frog trap card, he'd get wrecked without it.

>>86134963
Maybe if Margaery hadn't died before Tommen, which she did.

>>86135057
What the fuck does that matter? Their wedding was weeks before the Sept blrw up by "accident".

>>86134729
titles are past to firstborns on death, not wives

>>86134848
>Some in the Free Cities think that we're all savages on our side of the narrow sea. The ones who don't, they think that we're children, crying out for a father's strong hand.
Westeros BTFO.

>>86135097
To Tommen, to his wife, to her family (in absence of children), to Mace and passes Loras who is excommunicated from titles, to Olenna. So, getting super technical, Olenna (before she died) was Queen by law.

>>86134989

Prime war-hardened Ned was probably a good match for young, inexperienced, arrogant Jaime.

Also the fallout wasn't worth it for Jaime or the Lannisters. Lose to Ned? Dead. Kill Ned? Robert bursts your head with his hammer.

>>86103410
BRAVO NOLAN BRAVO

>>86135201
>"inexperienced"
He was Kingsgaurd at 16, helped kill those bandits at 17, was trained with Barristan Selmy himself.

>>86135201
Jaime was fighting trained knights and winning when he was 14 years old, I think 17 year old Jaime could have taken Ned on pretty comfortably.

>Kill Ned? Robert bursts your head with his hammer.
But yeah, not worth the trouble.

>>86135201
What was the rest of the Kibgsguard doing while Jaime sat on the Iron Throne for a few hours.

>>86135293
*Kingsguard

>shitty white male
>good

lel

>>86135080
Because instead of Margaery being a queen-consort, they had Cersei, a queen-regent. In fact, since Joffrey, Cersei was one.

>>86121672
Why didn't Stannis hire them?

>>86135293
A few was with Rhaegar in the Trident
A few was with Lyanna in the Tower of Joy
Jaime was with the kang

>>86135327
nigger

>>86105745
>>86105859
Ned slew kingsgaurds who stood by their oath and felt guilty/shitty as fuck about it seeing Jaime, the one who broke his oath, alive and fine and on the throne, broke him in a small way.

Ned let his respect for the men he killed cloud his judgement. He had to tell himself those men died well and honorably and ther was nothing wrong with that, and therefore honor matters more than life. Jaime is a living challenge to that notion.

>>86135439
WOAH SO EDGY! I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!

>>86135240
He was kingsguard to keep him safe from any real risk, daddy assured that.

He had experience with a sword and plenty training, but at that point Ned was on another level to Jaime, he was at war, cutting down much better men than babby Jaime Lannister.

Power levels can change over time.

>>86103410
>They called him the Lion of Lannister to his face and whispered "Kingslayer" behind his back. Jon found it hard to look away from him. "This is what a king should look like", he thought to himself as he passed.
Even Jon knew Jaime was /ourguy/.

>>86135504
Nobody ever talked about Ned as some legendary swordsman. He was competent and well-tempered in battle. No evidence he could match Jaime's skill.

>>86135504
Lol Ned was slightly above average and is only alive because Howland Reed is a swamp jedi

>>86135293
Hightower, Whent, and Dayne were at the Tower of Joy

Martell and Darry died at the trident

Selmy was injured and captured at the Trident.

>>86135504
His Kingsguard position was a huge and intentional fuck you to Tywin. Aerys was literally holding Jaime hostage and Tywin knew it. It wasn't a safe position at all.

>>86096368
Tyrone is a shit hand...
>botched Mireen plot until Mary Sue came back. Loses Selmey in the ensuing fuckery
>his Westeros strategy cost Kelly C most of her ships and put The Unsullied almost completely out of commission. Has no backup plan to get Dorne forces after losing the Sand whores

>>86135545
>your king is a crazy fucking nutbag
>everyone despises him
>gets killed and makes the war shorter
>Jaime isn't instantly a hero to everyone
>smug cunts who are literally rebelled against the crown, murder Rhaegar, smash his children against the wall and destroy their family line
>"BUT MUH HONOR THOUGH!"
fuck off, Ned.

>>86110091
They looked so happy back then.

>hated Jaime at the beginning
>Now my favourite
>Loved Dany at the beginning
>Now I hate her

>>86135634
>gets killed and makes the war shorter
>Jaime isn't instantly a hero to everyone
That's the weird part, by all fantasy logic this should have been the part where Jaime was proclaimed a hero and given a fucking parade+a cute princess.

>>86135630
Euron unsheathing his katana was fucking ridiculous though. Managing to sneak up on them on a clear day? Bollocks.

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>>86135761
>Loved Dany at the beginning

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>>86135960
Because she was cute and innocent

>>86135641
Yeah, they were a lovely couple before CIA and the Starks fucked everything.

>>86135770
>fantasy logic
And that's why it didn't happen. In the real world, people tend to condemn those who rebel against evil orders. Westeros also isn't a meritocracy, so Jaime's "betrayal" was even worse, because by their rules, he had no right to judge his divine king.

>>86136025
But Robert did? The point of the entire series is hypocrisy and shades of gray.

Book Jaime is one of the best characters in Game of Thrones and the show followed it fairly well till he came back to Kings Landing after losing a hand.

>loses hand
>trains with Payne to try and be a better swordsman
>tells Payne secrets cause Payne can't talk
>isn't good with sword and starts to question himself
>only has been with Cersei and starts to wonder why
>still wants to keep his oath to Kat
>frees his brother but they part of bad terms
>Tyrion tells him Cersei sleeps with guys behind his back
>hates the idea of this being true even though he cares less about Cersei
>sent to settle the last of the rebellion in the Riverlands
>still a cocky asshole even though he's sit with a sword
>makes peace without fighting with his his previous reputation
>burns Cercei'so letter for help

He even knows that killing the Mad King was the right thing to do and that people wouldn't belive him if he told the truth anyways.

>>86135761
>>hated Jaime at the beginning
Other than cucking the king and pushing Bran, Jaime was a pretty noble dude since the begining.

>>86136120
>Jaime was a pretty noble dude
Are you retarded? Why do your parents allow you anywhere near the computer? He belittled everyone he came across. They fucking made a point of showing this in the goddamn show, you retarded cocksucker. I fucking hate you.

>>86135960
Not him, but she's portrayed rather sympathetically at the beginning.
>13 year old kid whose only constant companion is her crazy brother
>only wishes to live in peace and have a good home
>sold to savage horse fuckers
>still tries to treat people well
>survives shitty circumstances
It's a classic hero underdog story. Her villainous traits come to light gradually, as does the realization that her rule is a disaster for everyone involved.

>>86136318
>Not him, but she's portrayed rather sympathetically at the beginning.
That's sort of true, but her episodes (and chapters) were always boring as fuck.

>>86136099
Objectively, you're right. But as far as the Westerosi society was concerned, Robert had a legitimate grievance in that Rhaegar had kidnapped his fiancee and Aerys refused to do anything about it. Kidnapping some lord's woman was a big deal during feudalism, but being a really shitty person wasn't.

Jaime is better suited as a support character than an outright leader. His aunt Genna was spot on with this comment:

>You smile like Gerion and fight like Tyg, and there’s some of Kevan in you, else you would not wear that cloak

Gerion was a likable dude amongst Tywin's brothers and openly mocked how Tywin tried to grasp for power. Tygett was the 3rd son and a fierce fighter, but always lived in Tywin's shadow. Kevan was just as skilled as Tywin, but lacked the initiative and drive that his elder brother showed. Jaime shows all 3 of his uncles' traits; he's not the sort of guy that would greenlight the Red Wedding, but more like the sort of guy that people will give pause and not underestimate.

Jaime would be a good Hand when he's in his 50's. By then, the rashness in his blood would've cooled and he would've gained immense experience throughout the years.

Jaime is like the Gohan of ASOIAF to me. Both had so much potential, but it got nerfed because of poor decisions on their part. If Jaime hadn't submitted to incest with Cersei and actually grew a backbone (like not acquiesce to Tywin's lie about Tysha being a whore), he could've gone places. Young Jaime was a great combatant and idealistic. He idolized his hero Ser Arthur Dayne and during Robert's Rebellion, he eagerly wanted to test his prowess but was denied because Aerys wanted him as a hostage.

Even now, Jaime still has the makings of a great man. At least in the books. He's freed himself of Cersei's toxic influence and is on the path of his redemption. Out of all the characters in ASOIAF, he's the one whose had the most character development and introspection in my opinion. He went from being an entitled douchewad who threw a kid off a window to one of the best guys that Westeros has left.

There are only 2 ways for Jaime's story to end; to die in glorious battle against the Others and Wights or a long life of service to the realm as befits a man of his caliber.

>>86094152
originally grrm wanted the books only to be 3 book long, with jaime the BBEG in it, who stoles the throne

and it was written like that in the book

he was sitting the throne the lannister soldiers around him

than come ned, and poured in the starks, and there were more starks than lannisters, so jaime laughed and get up from the throne

>>86095274
Implying he would need to do any of that when euron should be making sure the dothraki never leave the island
Implying you could land a horde of dothraki and it not be noticed

>>86136461
Actually, Aerys was the one who initiated hostilities. After Aerys executed Rickard and Brandon Stark, he ordered Jon Arryn to kill his foster sons. Neither Robert nor Ned initiated any action against the Iron Throne until Aerys went full retard.

Jon Arryn refused Aerys and mobilized his bannermen, thus triggering Robert's Rebellion. And Robert didn't even declare himself to be king until before the Battle of the Trident. So he wasn't out to overthrow Aerys from the throne, it was a war for survival for Robert and Ned.

>>86136558
>Tywin's lie about Tysha being a whore
But she was tho

>>86103410
I really hope Jaime gets an honorable death.

>>86136804
No she wasn't. Jaime even admitted it to Tyrion.

>“Tysha?” His stomach tightened. “What of her?”
>“She was no whore. I never bought her for you. That was a lie that Father commanded me to tell. Tysha was . . . she was what she seemed to be. A crofter’s daughter, chance met on the road.”
>Tyrion could hear the faint sound of his own breath whistling hollowly through the scar of his nose. Jaime could not meet his eyes. Tysha. He tried to remember what she had looked like. A girl, she was only a girl, no older than Sansa. “My wife,” he croaked. “She wed me.”
>“For your gold, Father said. She was lowborn, you were a Lannister of Casterly Rock. All she wanted was the gold, which made her no different from a whore, so . . . so it would not be a lie, not truly, and . . . he said that you required a sharp lesson. That you would learn from it, and thank me later . . .

It pisses me off that the show completely dropped the Tysha plotline and never had Jaime confess to Tyrion about the lie. D&D have no sense of dramatic build-up anymore and whitewashes the fuck out of anyone that they deem popular amongst fans.

>>86136558
Several characters note that Jaime never wanted power (unlike most powerful lords in Westeros), so yeah, Genna's comment about him resembling Kevan in some respects is accurate. The Tywin-Kevan relationship was really interesting as well. Even as a child Tywin showed himself as a remarkably driven and intelligent person, so his brothers got insecure and butthurt. Meanwhile, Kevan just took a good look at him and went "damn, he's good" and figured they should work together. So many things could have gone wrong there, yet their cordial and trusting relationship lasted until Tywin's death.

The Lannisters are secretly the most interesting family among the Great Houses. They have the best bantz too.

>>86137138
It's fascinating how a useless retard like Tytos was able to produce 4 sons and a daughter; all of whom with ability and strength of personality.

>>86136764
Sure, but the Targs were considered to be borderline demigods, so they could get away with a lot of shit. Many people also credited the country's prosperity during Aerys' reign to Aerys, even though the real architect of that prosperity was Tywin.

>>86118963
The mad queen obvi

>>86136305
>Implying Jaime wasn't willing to sacrifice his morality to save his family
>Implying he wasn't the only one who cared and did something about Cat taking Tyrion prisoner
>Implying he didn't ask Robb to resolve the war just between the two of them so innocent men didn't have to die
He was a coky bastard, but he always stood by his family, even when it was against his own best interests, and never gave a fuck if he was perceived as honorable or not for doing so. That's pretty noble.

>>86137289
>so they could get away with a lot of shit
There's a difference between killing some petty lord like the retard at Duskendale and a fucking Lord Paramount and his heir. Especially the Starks who have shown themselves to be incredibly loyal to the Targaryen cause like Cregan Stark's heir being killed in the Conquest of Dorne or how they rallied behind Queen Rhaneyra.

Once Aerys burnt Rickard into ashes and had Brandon strangled, just how the fuck is the Iron Throne supposed to retain control of the North? Especially if they have no dragons.

In some ways, I really wished Aerys hadn't gone full retard and ordered the heads of Ned and Robert because once Rhaegar and Lyanna come out of hiding, the aftermath would be glorious to see. The North would view Lyanna as a stupid slut that got her father and brother killed and would reject any half-dragon spawn of hers. Ned would be forced to disown his sister because his bannermen would be pissed as fuck. Robert wouldn't go to war because Jon Arryn would be there to calm him down, but now the Targs lost the support of the Baratheons, ANOTHER of their Lord Parmounts that supported them for years (especially in the Blackfyre Rebellions).

Don't forget the Martells. They were pissed that Rhaegar insulted Elia's honor as his wife when he presented the Crown for Love and Beauty to Lyanna. They might go independent again and there's nothing Rhaegar can do to patch it up.

>>86137565
>Implying Jaime wasn't willing to sacrifice his morality to save his family
He was upholding his vows, not sacrificing his morality

He'd make a better king than Dany, that's for sure.

I think Jon would be a better king though.

>>86138602
Jon isn't cut out for being king. Lord Commander or being a steward to a Great Lord would suit him fine, but Jon isn't the type that wants kingship.

If anything, he'd be lord over the wildlings if the Others do get defeated and peace comes to Westeros. He'd be the bridge between the Free Folk and the rest of Westeros in having them become civilized (within their own framework and culture).

>>86138602
Most people would make better kings than Dany. Her genes alone should disqualify her from ruling anything.