Name one thing wrong with Terminator 2

He didn't go back in time to kill your mom.

wotching this thread bc i cant think of one and i am curious to see what you all say

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>>86085716

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhkv2sL2Uxw

The T-1000's gun makes pew pew suppressor sounds for some reason.

>>86085676
The fact that it completely shits all over the established rules of Terminator 1 and ruins a perfect film.

it wasn't 2 hours of arnie sitting on my face

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>>86085676
STANDING HERE

>>86085806
please explain, what rules do you mean?

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Too much blue.

Then again, everything made in the late 80's and early 90's had too much blue.

>>86085676
child actor
no atmosphere
pretty much t1 made into a kids movie

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>>86085676
The fact that it's a shit film compared to the original.

Terminator 3 is a better film than T2.

>>86085676
It completely ruined action movies forever because now all action movies get compared to it.

>>86085676
Black guy invents something, totally unrealistic.

>>86085676
No direct sequel

>>86086012
Bro, the room is a better movie than terminator 2. It's one of the worst things I've ever seen.

>>86086012

(You)

>>86085788
And Arnie's shotgun makes the sound of a cannon being fired. It's called being cinematic.

>>86086012
>Terminator 3 is better than Terminator 2

Literally and unironically kys

>>86086115
>Black guy copies the work of others, probably white people from a different timeline, and passes it off as his own
Totally plausible

>>86085676
>lacks diversity
>no capes
>no refugees
>no lgbt praise
>doesn't promote white genocide
>doesn't promote interracial breeding
>too much masculinity

I could probably go on about this obvious racist motion picture. Not progressive, goy.

It's not as good as T1

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the extended bullshit cut.

>>86085897
So basically there are two ways to do time-travel (well, more, but two BASIC categories).
1. The future can be changed
2. The future cannot be changed.

In The Terminator, the future can't be changed. It's a predetermined paradox, a time loop, whatever you'd like to call it. It's the same deal as Twelve Monkeys and Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. What is always was and always will be.

The Terminator is always sent back, Kyle Reese always volunteers to go back and stop it, Kyle Reese always fathers John Connor with Sarah Connor, Sarah Connor always gets her photograph taken by the little Mexican boy, and John Connor always gives that photograph to Kyle Reese, and Kyle Reese always falls in love with Sarah Connor, and Kyle Reese always volunteers to follow the Terminator back.

It's neat and it's perfect and it's awesome.

In Terminator 2, this is all ruined. This is why Terminator 2 is a wonderful film but a terrible sequel.

>>86086666
terminator is not a time travel movie, asshat. time travel is just a plot device overthinking cunt.

>>86085676
They used the wrong Guns N' Roses song. It should have been their best one, Nightrain.

>>86085806
terminator 1 was dogshit and only contrarians disagree

>>86086689
The Terminator absolutely is a time-travel movie, and one of extraordinarily few to ever handle it with zero plot-holes. It's a brilliant achievement and a perfect film.

What is it with James Cameron's sequels, they're always about motherhood. Aliens, T2, c'mon man, fuck off with this shit, chicks can have other motivating factors.

>>86086666
how does t2 violate this

>>86086724
What a weird thing to say.

>>86086724
>only contrarians disagree

Ironing.

>>86086727
shut up, cocksucker.

>>86086727
James Cameron said himself that time travel was just the justification for a robot in the movie. Dumbass.

>>86085676
aside from the title theme soundtrack isnt as good as t1

>>86085676
I just didn't like the child actor really. Also that shot you're showing isn't that great or how he sounds like his throat is congested in that scene.

Its almost a perfect movie so its hard to say anything bad but I guess I would have liked Arnold to act just as cold and robotic as the first one

He was still great as but felt just a tad bit more humanlike

>>86086666
>1. The future can be changed
>2. The future cannot be changed.
perfect time loops don't prove 2, they simply avoid any paradoxes of 1. 2 is a deterministic Universe devoid of both free will and effect. For 2 to exist it must already have all time loops solved before you can "play the recording."

1 implies free will and meaningful choices. Hence "No fate but what we make."

I'm not disagreeing with you, time travel is fiction, I'm just providing analysis.

>>86086391
>lacks diversity
It has a black family in it.

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>>86086282

>>86086900
>head of tech lab
>black

fiction gets away with anything

>>86086797
>muh author
When will you grow out of this idiotic way of thinking

>>86087037
When will your grow out of your idiotic head cannon?

shithead.

>>86086752
In a couple of ways.

Firstly, the very fact that a T-1000 is sent back. It implies that the machines in the future somehow understood that the first Terminator had failed - and how could they gain such knowledge? Did they know immediately after sending the first one, because they didn't notice a change? And how were they able to send it at all if, as Kyle Reese states in the first, that the human resistance had won and that the original Terminator was the machines' last-ditch Hail Mary?

Secondly, the fact that they stop Judgment Day directly contradicts the established theory of the first film, being that the future is set. In Terminator 3 we discover that Judgment Day was merely postponed, but that's still a deviation, so a bit of a moot point.

>>86086797
Would you provide a link to that? Even if he did, that doesn't change what it is. The director/writer's motivation for the device's inclusion doesn't have any bearing whatsoever on whether the device is successful.
He was also a cyborg, not a robot.

>>86086870
Yeah, but if Judgment Day is averted or postponed then the closed-loop of the first film is shattered. It can't remain intact if the machines don't ever take over or take over six years later, which makes this a plot-hole. OP asked for "one thing wrong", and I'm giving it to him. Plot-holes shit me.

>>86085676
I unironically cannot. odern movies just cannot compare to it, the action looks artificial and unrealistic. One scene of Arnie jumping down that canal on a chopper without moving a muscle shits all over the next three decades of action movie making and the opponents looks as if it is really a threat to the characters.

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>>86087071
Starship Troopers is perhaps one of the more extreme examples of a substandard director accidentally creating a masterpiece.

There is a lot more to film than a director's skill or vision.

>>86087168
>accidentally
Confirmed dumbass, unless you are baiting me into it.

Verhoeven does nothing accidentally. Fuckface.

Sarah Connor's voice over.

Interestingly like this post said
>>86086666
Strangely Sarah Connor's voice over appears when they are on their way to destroy Cyberdyn HQ. they literally say "the history is unwritten now"
I have to admit although I see it as a flaw of the movie when I heard that line back then I was moved. Like "they are in an uncertain timeline now!!!" Totally believing that the movie can go either way

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>>86087168
>paul verhoeven
>substandard director

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>>86087115
>closed-loop of the first film is shattered
Think about it like Majora's Mask or the Stargate time loop episode or any of the many Star Trek timeloop episodes.

How many time loops was Earth trapped in? Did Terminator 1 happen 1,000 times? Were there slightly different versions of Terminator 1 until something happened to break the time loop?

>>86086704
there is literally nothing wrong with using you could be mine for the movie.

>>86086012
>Terminator 3 is a better film than T2.
You saying this because in T3 they embraced the inevitable fate?

>>86085676
The trailer spoiled the good guy / bad guy switch

>>86087115
The Terminators in 1, 2 and 3 were all sent in reverse order by the chronology of the films, so the T-X in 3 went back first followed by the first Arnie model the resistance were able to reprogram, then the T-1000 towards the middle of the war with the second reprogrammed T-800 and finally the 'original' Arnie Terminator from 1 was sent at the end of the war with Kyle Reese being sent by the resistance

>>86086734
Makes me think about what's will the theme of Avatar 2 be

>>86085676
Forcing the terminator to not kill people ruined the entire movie with blatant reddit and tumblr pandering.

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>>86086012
>Terminator 3 is a better film than T2.

>>86087445
woaww edgy

T1

>>86087115
>directly contradicts the established theory of the first film, being that the future is set
Reese's speech to Sara (the one John made him remember) states the future isn't set. In T2 the "No Fate" thing implies change can happen.

>Kyle Reese states in the first, that the human resistance had won and that the original Terminator was the machines' last-ditch Hail Mary?
That the resistance knew about. SkyNet sent two terminators back through time (at the same time), one being Arny and the other, an alpha stage prototype (since we see T-1000 malfunctioning during the movie).

>>86087476
u have 2goback

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>>86087348
>tfw way too young to have even seen the trailer
>tfw first watching to movie assuming arnie was the bad guy again
>tfw he shoots t1000 instead of john
I didn't know what the fuck was going on

>>86087542
I'm a little jelly for that experience

Mediocre childrens version of a good movie that didn't need a sequel. Should have never been made.

>>86087445
>blatant reddit and tumblr pandering.
>director knew that two decades later the testosterone level in western cucks will drop by 50%
>prepandered to them

Truly a visionary.

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>>86085676
>Name one thing wrong with Terminator 2

>>86087563
Same. I was a kid when T2 first came out but all the promotional material, trailers and whatnot totally spoiled the twist. Fucking faggots.

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>>86085676
Nothing
T2 is pure spirit of age
Jame cameron get the idea from his nightmare in italy after do bad movie " Piranya"

T2 is represent of the second fish in pisces age
the fish of materialism

T-800 who turn back to save human from t-1000 is this fish

T-1000 is represent the fear of coming Aquarius Age. that is why it's become something out of place . it's "Water of spirit "
the harmony between 2 fish

>>86087303
I haven't done Majora's Mask or Stargate but I have done every episode of all of the Star Trek series and I am well aware of the many, many plot-holes throughout it. Trust me, if you asked me to name flaws in those episodes I would also cite this same problem.

>Did Terminator 1 happen 1,000 times?
It happened (and happens) an infinite number of times. That's what a predetermined paradox is. At least, when it's done properly. And The Terminator was.

>>86087359
Putting aside the fact that this would be absolutely disgusting from any sort of consistency-standpoint, are you telling me that Skynet's machines grow steadily LESS advanced over the years?

>>86087495
>Reese's speech states the future isn't set. In T2 the "No Fate" thing implies change can happen.
Yeah, and Reese is wrong. Characters are allowed to be wrong. Reese also states that he has no idea how it works in the police-station. He was just repeating a line that Sarah told John told Reese told Sarah told John. It's denial, or it's delusion. The evidence presented in the first film renders him incorrect.

>SkyNet sent two terminators back through time (at the same time), one being Arny and the other, an alpha stage prototype (since we see T-1000 malfunctioning during the movie).
This actually does make it make more sense. Not enough to fix it, mind you, but it makes it a whole lot better. Was this established in a peripheral novel or comic or something?

>>86087692
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0kXVfqPrLs

I'm tiny riiiiiiiiick

Some of the pure cgi scenes haven't aged that well(the scenes that combine practical and cgi and the purely practical are ageless)

Furlong's acting was kinda shit and his slang died in the 90s

that's about it

>>86087590
reddit and tumblr have always lived in humankind the website names just give us a place to contain these people you should head back

>>86085676
james cameron

Name one thing wrong with this post >>86087658

>>86087303
Remember one important concept: multiverse and Earth Prime

>>86087882
reddit format
reddit content

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>watch terminator movies for the first time
>wtf why is arnold the bad guy

The kid and >don't kill anyone!

I want to see Terminator kill people.

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>>86085676
it's not T1
I like a killer Arnie

>>86087800
lol, dumbass you're in the wrong thread.

>>86087428
Zoe Saldana is a mother.
But 'the business' takes her kids away from her.
AND NOW her and that other guy who was in the last one have to GET. THEM. BACK.
Through the power and the strength and the love that only a child can instil in an individual. But mostly the mother.

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>>86086724

>>86087925
Talking about the evil universe that Kirk fucks up that we see again in DS9? That isn't time travel.

Also the DS9 tribble episode.

>>86085676
Not enough T600 on human combat

Less gore and raw-ness than T1

Watch both together is the only way to do it.

IF Cameron Does another series of these i'd die happy.

It took the Terminator from the first film and turned him into a typical Arnold character.

>>86087998
>you can't just go around killing people
>why?
>you just can't okay
what a faggot

>>86085676

>black scientist/engineer
Yeah ok.

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didnt have best terminator

>>86085913
it was a cheap way to show the audience

LOOK NIGHTTIME

Also that scene is iconic so it immedately gets a pass from me, the CGI is pretty goat for a 27 year old movie

>>86088194

>tfw mid-sentence greentext doesn't work anymore with spoiler tags

Thanks moot

Nothing in it matches the style, atmosphere, and tension of this scene
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i4kfqmv2PoQ

>>86086012
1. 10/10 The Terminator
2. 9/10 Terminator 2: Judgment Day
3. 5/10 Terminator Salvation
4. 3/10 Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines
5. 2/10 Terminator Genisys

>>86085676
>Name one thing wrong with Terminator 2
It was not the last Terminator film

>>86088262
>even when a nigger gets rich his house still gets shot up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hMKX1ld-L8

>Name one thing wrong with Terminator 2
>Implying we can't and in the last 20 years we haven't discussed the movie through and through

Did they tell us why mercury robot is counted as an organism by the time machine and why must the mercury robot go through it butt naked and what would happen if we ask the mercury robot to take of his shirt?

the extended cut

anyone going to the re-release?

>>86088354
By a feminist-environmentalist

The theatrical release was missing some crucial character building scenes like Sarah contemplating smashing the Terminator's cpu or John bonding with Terminator like it's his father.

>>86087168
Watch Basic Instinct and then commit sudoku

The shitty as fuck Alternate ending

>>86087168
>Turks fruit
>Soldaat van Oranje
>De vierde man
>Robocop
>Total Recall
>Basic Instinct
>substandard
>accidentally

I wasn't even tired before opening this thread and now I'm exhausted.

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>>86086012

>Terminator 3 is a better film than T2.

>>86086391
>lacks diversity
bullshit, i saw mexicans and a black family up in T2

>>86085676
They established that the Terminizer has to be covered in meat to somehow fool Father Time, but the Terminizer 2 doesn't have to be in a meatball to time travel. Grade A fuckup.

>>86088151
he'll kick the bucket before that happens

besides, i wouldn't want anymore Terminator.

just let it die

>>86087115
Except you are wrong

Each movie was a different time paradox......

Don't look at it as a continuation of the story they are different

It negates Kyle Reese's death and sacrifice. The first Terminator film actually had a deleted scene where Sarah suggests that they blow up Cyberdyne in 1984. Kyle says it's too risky, but in T2, they're all for it. Of course, they had a T-800 on their side to battle the T-1000.

If Marcus Wright had also been with Reese in the 1st Terminator film, then destroying Cyberdyne and assassinating its lead developers might have been more feasible. If the Villain T-800 shows up, Marcus can handle him better than Reese can.

Still, T2 is a solid action thriller while T1 is a great sci-fi slasher.

>>86085788
fuck that shit is so awesome. amkes me want to see it right now. cameron is the best i dont care what you fuckling plebs think

>>86086666
checked

>>86085676

The marketing campaign did not take full advantage which is immanent if you actually watch the film for the first time, knowing nothing about it, and having seen the first film: that Arnie is the good guy this time and we do not have absolute confirmation of this until the gunfight in the mall hallway. The trailer should have coyly been all like "the terminator is back" [cut to Arnie], "and this time, there's a new [neutral word here: face, actor, character, I can't quite find the right word: cut to Patrick]

The fact that it wasnt the last Terminator movie

Thats about it

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>>86085676
>Name one thing wrong with Terminator 2

There is nothing. Terminator 2 is the perfect action sci-fi film. Essential 90's kino with Arnie in his prime.

>>86085676

The only flawless movie I know...

>>86086278
Shotguns in enclosed places are extremely loud. Louder than displayed in the movie.

>>86086666
satanic quads of truth

>>86090199
>Don't look at it as a continuation of the story they are different
Yes. That's MY point. Great movie, bad sequel.

>>86088194
>this little brat is the future savior of mankind

The fact that I don't have that picture with the waitress staring at naked Arnie that says "ANAL" on the bottom saved on here.

>>86088392
Because T2 is the movie Cameron wanted to make but couldn't at the time due to tech limitations. So instead we get a convoluted "energy created by living tissue" excuse as to why an unstoppable machine from the future had to wear an Austrian suit and carry no weapons.

This is also the reason why T1 and T2 are the same movie. Well, T2 is a soft-reboot of T1.