Series or books?

Neither. The series is atrocious, and the books aren't much better. If you want great sci-fi/fantasy, I recommend The Book of the New Sun.

Both are shit. Choose series cause that takes less time.

>>86078036
maximum eye roll at you

>>86078084
this plus the shitposting on /got/ makes the series better

>>86078135
Upvote

>>86077964
Reading the books doesn't add to the shitposting any more so there's no point to the extra knowledge.

>>86078036
That's like recommending Moby-Dick to a special ed class.

Knowing what happens later in the story now I would never pick even the first book, which I read and imo it's pretty good.

>>86078208
That's a damn good point

I thought the first three books were good when I first read them but they're a chore to reread. You really have to have patience to slog through the fake history stuff. Books four and five are irredeemable dogshit. I wouldn't wish the fifth book on my worst enemy. George's mind has gone to shit with age.

>>86078255

Except Moby Dick is actually good.

Book of the New Sun is the prototypical le edgelord contrarian who hates popular fantasy choice.

>>86078036
Book of the New Sun is the Hot Topic edgelord of fantasy books.

>>86078255
What's the whole joke around Moby Dick anyway, is it written poorly? I've only just started to read a lot of well known books like 1984 and Brave New World.

>>86078376
>>86078433
>edgelord

Just who do you think you're fooling here?

>>86077964

Hmmm...

Spend countless hours of your life reading a fat man's list of 6657465312690 characters and the deeds of their grandfathers like a fucking autist.

or

Spend ten hours a year to get the good stuff from all that coupled with great visuals and discuss it with Stacies from your uni the next day without the risk of sperging out and going "Well akshually in the book..." like a fucking virgin.

That's a damn tough choice my man.

>>86077964

Series
The story and characters are good in both but GRRM is a fucking awful writer.
The only time he gets descriptive is during the pedo rape scenes and the rest of the time it reads like a dry history book. So boring that I couldnt get past the 4th book

>>86078453
Moby-Dick is great, but it's pretty dense for /tv/. I have a hard time imaging any of the Ritalin children on this board reading anything more complex than Brandon Sanderson.

The show is nothing good and stuff like MTV's Shannara did the same but with better results.
The books are terrible garbage full of liberal propaganda and "open the borders" stuff not to mention that he never investigated the obvious link between homosexuality and God's Wrath.
Read Brandon Sanderson if you want to read something good.

>>86078520
>>The only time he gets descriptive is during the pedo rape scenes

Not true, there are literally hundreds of pages worth of meal and food descriptions.

>>86077964
Books, for all that they are worth. They are more of a foreign cooking books, since Martin is drooling pig who can't stop stuffing his face or thinking about food for five seconds.
They are good for first read but you realize in retrospect that they are chock full of plotholes and awful writing, from the literal sense.
Each book is also finished in a cliffhanger that will never be relevant again in the future.

>>86078520
>so boring I only got through 2500 pages

cool story chief

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>>86078552
>MTV's Shannara did the same but with better results.

No!

>>86078520
This. Such amazing potential marred by a dull style. I lost count of the number of mentions of "bare brown branches" north of the Wall.

>>86078552
>Read Brandon Sanderson if you want to read something good
fucking lol

he spits out dogshit fantasy books like a dog with diarrhea

>>86078652

I'm not historically a Sanderson fan but the Stormlight Archive books are pretty dope, actually.

But that guy you're quoting is obvious troll.

>>86078597
What the fuck is his problem? The endless lists of food and heraldry made me want to hurl the book out a window.

>>86078728

Take your adderall.

>>86077964
>series
Did you just call a TV show a "series"? What the fuck?

*reads thread*
What the FUCK, why is everyone doing it?

>>86078774
You can't seriously be defending that trash. It's one thing to pepper in detail, but to make it so bland and repetitive is just an insult to the reader. It's like he listed items straight out of some medieval cookbook.

>>86078652
>he spits out dogshit fantasy books like a dog with diarrhea
Holy shit, this sentence makes George R.R. "His lips look like two worms fucking" Martin look good. Glad you're not a fucking writer.

>>86078827
Hello, you must be new to the internet. Non-American forms of English are a thing.

>>86077964
The books have a dissonance in the content and writing style to me. They're full of goofy shit, ridiculousness fills almost every page, GRRM seems to take it all more serious than it reads and it just becomes kind of laughable after a while. Still enjoyable, there's a lot more going on - or at least seems that way - and more characters actually have character (one issue I had with the series was forgetting who the fuck a lot of the people were because their presence is so underwhelming).
The series for the first 3, maybe 4, seasons seemed to be made with an awareness of just how goofy it all is, so it was pretty entertaining to see. Now, it's alright but feels like it's sticking to a generic beat for everybody to follow.

>>86078084
>took him over 73 hours to read 5 books
No wonder you are so bitter. you barely have any brain function

>>86078927
Is the worms fucking line real? You have to be trolling.

>>86078477
>watching tv bro ya that's chad behavior
could you imagine being this pathetic?

>>86079021
This. I read the entire Goosebumps series in less than 73 hours. I'm one of the top posters on /lit/.

>>86078876

The food descriptions can be a bit much sometimes, but I enjoy the heraldry and houses and family names. They usually come up again later, and it may not be important information, but it makes the world seem big and alive.

I also never found any of it intrusive or lengthy enough not to easily skim past if I wasn't interested.

The books are fine, listen to the audiobooks on youtube while you do other shit, they go by faster and youll still get all the info, Roy Dotrice does a great job with them

>>86078876
this right here.

Martin keeps getting lost in trivial details, telling you the entire history of the third cousin of some random dude that will never come up again. I understand that he wants to set up his world with more details than some other writers but he just keeps losing track of what's important.

>lmao the books like totally suck that's why I've seen every episode of the show based on them lol no cognitive dissonance here

Regardless of your opinion on the series as a whole AGoT is a very well written book with a very clear grand vision

>>86079094
A seven-book series shouldn't just be "fine" to justify reading them.

Good lord, man. I know this is /tv/ but get some taste.

>>86079153
I could tell you the books would cure your mental retardation and you still wouldn't get off your lazy inbred ass and actually read one.

Books are ok, the series are pure shit

>>86079108
>very well written

FAT PINK MAST
SUNSET FOUND HER SQUATTING
etc.

Fuck off. I defy you to find anything that awful in Tolkien.

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>>86078629
The show is well written, well acted, the cast is white and the story deal with God.
Read a well thought out review http://christianentertainmentreviews.com/2016/01/22/the-shannara-chronicles/

>he like writes too much
jesus christ /tv/

>>86079104
>Martin keeps getting lost in trivial details, telling you the entire history of the third cousin of some random dude that will never come up again

He really doesn't. Huge exaggeration.

>>86079203
All you know is the meme excerpts

>>86079192
Says the guy who's chuffed with himself for reading a 2-million-word soap opera.

>>86079218
yeah that anon's talking out his ass, even at the Twins and shit where there's a million named characters you get a sentence or two for a couple of them and that's it

>>86079203
neither of those things are in AGoT I know you're trying to meme or whatever but try and at least pretend you are literate.

Besides you've never read either authors offerings so what use is comparing them?

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>Martin delayed a book a couple of years so he can find a logical way to bring the characters together in Meereen
>In the show every episodes characters teleport halfway across the continent in one episode while others take entire season to get from point A to point B

I prefer the Martin

>>86079235
Nah. Those are just the ones that come to mind first. The "knife up his butt" and "fat man straining to shit" lines are awful, too. You just have to wonder what he was thinking to keep those after a fourth or fifth read-through.

>>86079205
I know you're trolling but this made me laugh
>well thought out review
>christianentertainmentreviews.com

>>86079238
>that projection
I never said I read the book. there's more than one person in this thread. Try and keep up. This isn't the TV show so you won't get a "Previously on"

If you can't even follow this thread what hope do you have of reading any of ASoIaF or really any book for that matter?

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I like both

>>86079301
Same but sometimes I wish he would say fuck it and teleport the assholes so that the book would fucking come out.
Even Martin cheats sometimes, like how in the first book somehow Tyrion caught up to Catelyn even though he started from the Wall and she from Winterfell and they ended up at the same place.

Just hurry up already grandpa.

>>86079260
No one's buying what you have to sell, troll. Keep trying.

>>86079334
there the only ones that come to your mind because you never read the books.

Have you read *any* book since high school ended anon? You do read don't you?

>>86079382
caught up?
they were heading in different directions

A Feast for Crows is the ultimate pleb filter and the best book in the series, remember that

>>86077964
Series - even though it's utter garbage now. At least it'll have a conclusion, unlike the Fat Fuck's books.

>>86079334

How are they awful? Be specific.

>>86079301
Autistic world-building, internal logic and consistency > Blood, tits, girl powah, anachronistic retarded dialogue, whatever the fuck the show is.

Besides every single original thing in the show they added fell flat on it's face, showrunners are talentless hacks just read the leaked scripts

>>86079382
stop pretending you read the books

>>86079416
Huh?
They were both heading south to Kings Landing but then met at the tavern even though Tyrion was hundreds of miles farther away than when he started, unless I'm really misremembering something.

>>86079398
what's your favorite passage out of tolkiens body of work?

>>86079411
>there

>You do read don't you?

lol

>>86079451
yes, just the very minor detail that she already went to KL for a very insignificant meeting and was heading back

>>86079469
Oh shit that's how that sequence of events went, sorry I'm stupid then.
I only read it like two years ago too. My bad.

>>86079451
>They were both heading south to Kings Landing

No

>>86079467
embarrassing. Please explain why those particular lines you seem to be obsessed with don't fit within the context of the novels?

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>>86079301
>Martin delayed a book a couple of years so he can find a logical way to bring the characters together in Meereen
Martin's a lazy fucking hack. He did not delay a book "to figure out the Mereenees knot" (a retarded hole he dug for himself) he's just fucking lazy. and delayed it so he could shove more cheese down his throat inbetween inane blogposts on the NFL, attending cons so he can bask in the worship of the fans he despises, and procrastinate on endless bullshit sideprojects like cunting WildCards.

Martin has released ONE fucking book in the series this century. Feast for Crows and Dance with Dragons are 2 halves of the same book released seperately because the fat prick was taking so long.

His writing speed:
>Game of Thrones released 1996
>A Clash of Kings released 1998
>A Storm of Swords released 2000
>Complete Book 4 finally available 2011 (1st half released 2005)
>Book 5 (Winds of Winter) to be released...maybe next year.

He might complete Winds of Winter, but that'll be the last book he writes in the series. He's a grossly obese cheese eating hack who hates his fans and clearly hates the series he's created. The only question is will he have enough humility to finally accept what's up, be honest with himself and fans, and hand the series over to someone like Sandersen or a friend like Gaiman to write up the last book.

>>86079419

Read "A Feast for Dragons." Google that shit.

It's the combination of A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons in rough chronological order, and it reads a lot better than either novel on their own.

>>86079599
why are you so angry? you weren't going to read the books either way

>>86079438
All of those negatives you mentioned are in the books too, though. Even the anachronistic dialogue. Don't criticize the show for the tawdriness of the source material. At least the show will actually have an ending, which is more than you can say for George "imminent
cardiac arrest" Martin.

>>86079419
I dunno man, Dorne still drags a little.
Brienne and Jaime are amazing though.

>>86078543
>Moby-Dick is great
Isn't it just about a guy hunting a whale with a whole lot of DEEP?
Sounds about as enjoyable as reading the dictionary cover to cover.

>>86079599

I cannot imagine what Neil Gaiman writing ASoIAF would be like.

Though, I imagine it would be a lot more twee.

>>86079639
Yes I was. I'm an oldfag and read the first book on release 96. I certainly won't pay for anything he finally shits out in the future but I will read it just to get some closure/see how much of a car crash it is.

>>86079686
>Isn't it just about a guy hunting a whale with a whole lot of DEEP?

I feel like you might be inadvertently proving his point with your post.

>>86079607
Good call there.

Feast and Dance combined (with about 30% of the most pointless filler cut out) would be a decent book. Still weaker than first 3 but decent.

>>86079715
>Though, I imagine it would be a lot more twee.
No doubt. But at least it would get written, which it won't under GURM.

Online death calculators predict Martin will die by 2020 or so.

Is there a plan in place if he does?

>>86079882
Who cares the show ends next year.

Doe GRRM even write episodes for the show any more?

I'll be honest, the books aren't exactly great literature.
I'm sure there are several posts itt mentioning the "sunset found her passage" or the "fat pink mast" line.
Still, the books are all really fun, colourful, and I really have no idea where the plot will go even a few chapters in to The Winds of Winter never mind how the story will end. There's so many loose ends, and George has consistently shown he doesn't leave any left when he finishes a story so I know they'll all tie in to the plot eventually. This is why he takes so long to write, because making things stay internally consistent requires a lot of rewriting and editing.
The show on the other hand, looks like shit (no colour, everyone wears black, whole show is dark as fuck for some reason) and the plot couldn't be more predictable.
Dany and Jon will marry and Jon will secretly have been the One True King™ all along, all the "good guys" (who will all get valyrian steel swords) will defeat all the "bad guys" with maybe one or two curveballs, the lich king will get a hella awesome ice dragon and every main character who lives to the end will end up in some position in the royal court

Also I think it's fair to say that last episode with Jaime getting saved at the last second shows that all the "good guys" have plot armour, not just the main ones.

The books is a better story, it's more enjoyable in every way other than the cgi dragons you don't get to see, and honestly at 72 hours you're not wasting any less time reading the books than watching the show.

>>86079973
I think he's made mistakes with the pacing though. I'd have literally zero issues with the speed of book 4/5 if he was younger and could write quicker, but he doesn't exactly have much time left.

>>86078698
I read the first two Stormlight Archive books and they're shit. They remind me of a second rate shonen anime, like the later seasons of Bleach.

The original Mistborn series was bretty good tho. Elantris was cool in concept too, but I felt the execution was poor. I don't know anything about evaluating literature beyond high school English, but I can't really shake the feeling that Sanderson is a person with fairly unique ideas but mediocre writing skills and and inability to explore areas outside of his own personal boundaries, even when its detrimental to the narrative. His work definitely reminds me of pg-13 comic books.

>>86079973
>I'll be honest, the books aren't exactly great literature.

This is what gets me. The books are a fairly simple fantasy series, and the show writers still fuck it up and dumb it down huge amounts.

OP here, I just watched the first episode and I was wondering if they keep forcing so much sex and pointless nudity? I always hear of it being a selling point but it seems so overdone.

>>86080366
Yes, welcome to HBO; sex scenes because they can.

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Read a good book instead

>>86078036
>Muh obscure shitty series is bettuh !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQsXznYNzz8

>>86078433
>>86078036
What's Book of the New Sun? Sell it to me.

>>86078036
Incorrect. The books are fantastic. Less 4chan and more outside, then your opinions won't resemble /tv/ memes as much.

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Neither. LOTR is better in every way.

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>>86084700

>The books are fantastic

You don't read much, do you?

>>86077964
The books are great. They aren't masterpieces like some will tell you, but they're great.
Good enough to preorder, but not good enough to read any multiple times.

The series was great for the first five seasons and then noticeably dropped in quality the moment they ran out of material from the books.

Series. Mediocre fantasy books make for a pretty fun TV series. Only prime time show were you can find anime DnD party fighting skeletons and dragons and shit

>>86078036
>>86078255
>book of the new sun

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>>86084821
Often actually. I'm on a nonfiction kick at the moment. Just started a brief history of time by hawking.

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>>86084770
>Neither. LOTR is better in every way

A FUCKING BOOK MADE FOR CHILDREN.

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>ywn be grrm

>>86085000
how is that a criticism?

>>86078375
Why's it so bad anon?

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>>86085000
False

Also, you forget how much of modern fantasy is based on LOTR. To pretend it wasn't a milestone is delusional.

>>86084924

If you read often, but don't think Martin is a hack, then you either haven't been reading for very long, or haven't been reading anything good.

Fiction lives and dies by its quality more often than its content. For example, while Hawking isn't a great writer either, that's not really the point of reading his books - the reader is in it for the science, which is original and fascinating. GRRM, on the other hand, has created a fantasy world that quite transparently rips off other fantasy, then does away with anything that made it fantastical, occasionally borrowing from history to find plot devices. There is nothing remotely fresh about ASOIAF's worldbuilding or characters, so all that's left is for Georgie to dazzle us with linguistic prowess and masterful storytelling. Which he doesn't.

It's the literary equivalent of baked beans - it's available everywhere, can be consumed by anyone, and required precisely zero skill to produce.

>>86085055
How old are you, 10?

>>86085228
Just because Tolkien was the first doesn't mean he is the best. Just because it inspired other authors doesn't mean it's better.

>>86077964
Books had great potential. Game of Thrones, The Clash of Kings, and Storm of Swords were all fantastic. The books started going to shit around Feast for Crows/Dances with Dragons. GRRM could have expedited some of the plots in both of those books. He also got lazy and decided to not keep up the complex backstabbing and political savvy of characters that kept the reader on the edge of their seat. The shows basically took out the only good moral and philosophical concepts from those two books making it even more shit. I'm not going to read Winds of Winter because fuck GRRM. He should have listened to NoFap.

>>86085391
>Books had great potential. Game of Thrones, The Clash of Kings, and Storm of Swords were all fantastic. The books started going to shit around Feast for Crows/Dances with Dragons.

This isn't true t b h. While the books certainly are weaker than the first 3 they are extremely good at worldbuilding, giving you a breather from the massacre of the first 3 and setting up the stage for the final two books. The problem is most people mistake that for "slow" because of the pace that GRRM releases the books and the fact that these two books may very well be the last considering GRRM's laziness and

>>86085515
yeah that's exactly the problem
the pacing wouldn't be an issue if he wasn't so fat and old and bad at meeting deadlines
unfortunately he's all of the above

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>>86085515

>may very well be the last considering GRRM's laziness and

It's an honour to have you among us, Mr Martin

>>86085515
>The problem is most people mistake that for "slow" because of the pace that GRRM releases the books and the fact that these two books may very well be the last considering GRRM's laziness and
Not sure if intentional, but hilarious.

>>86085391
>>86085515
>>86085542
He should have stopped fapping to all of his characters and wrote the books.

>>86085657
this tbqh
you could just tell he was hard writing that Mercy chapter the fucking pedo
but so was I while reading it

>>86079087
Bullshit, post with your trip GooseAnon.

>>86085515
That fat lazy nigger GRMM has already mentioned he might take the series to 8 books.

books for me. Jaime's my favourite character, dude has really come a long way. hopefully he doesn't fucking die.

>>86085762
won't be surprise if it goes to 9, honestly. the White Walker threat can't just be done and over with in just two books, especially with much of a threat they are supposed to be.

Series is better.
I don't really like series.
I like the books.
But series will eventually end.
Books will never have an ending, GURRM is a hack.
Therefore: series>books

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at this point just let preston finish it tbqh
autism can achieve amazing things

>>86079640
That doesn't justify the terrible dialogue, those idiots can't write for shit. And there's plenty to criticize about the show, and it doesn't matter if it hurts your feefees.

>>86085864
>the Others
>an actual threat
They're the big red herring. The Wall will keep them contained while Euron does his Lovecraftian shit and brings about the next Long Night.

>>86079599
>Feast for Crows and Dance with Dragons are 2 halves of the same book
They're each longer than any of the other books, though, so it's not like he's splitting them in parts.
But that's also a good sign, because The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring might be written concurrently.
You can't rush literature like you can TV shows. I'd rather have a satisfying conclusion in a few years than some incoherent drivel like in the show.

>>86079758
Get this: George outsources this shit to Stephen King, he finishes the series in two weeks.
I'm a fucking geniouse.

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>>86086112
Imagine if Euron in the show was as described in the books, he'd make every woman wet. So wet that they may even forget to cheer for the YAAAASS QUEEEEN.

>>86077964
>books make no sense given anything about their environment and are basically 'grrrr hey look I'm not Tolkien look all these people are dying'
>show is a fucking soap opera but is entertaining with friends of while cooking/cleaning/etc

Pick your poison, if you're gonna read something I'd look elsewhere. The medieval setting makes 0 sense, but it's still cool on the show, but kinda annoying in the books. If forced slowness is your drift, read wheel of time, it's at least got good writing

>>86084700
Less 4chan and more outside for me means not reading anything at all. This thread alone has more book recommendations than all my friends can muster together. There's nothing wrong with being a normie, but you can't discuss this shit with them.

They're fun to read. No literary masterpieces, but a lot of fun. Contrarians will tell you otherwise,but the book gets really good really soon in. Download apdf and see how you feel.

>>86086240
>books make no sense given anything about their environment
The pacing sucks, especially in the last two, but they do make perfect sense. You'd know if you had read them.

>>86086353
The pacing is slowed down because the War of Five Kings is over so people aren't running around with battles happening all over the place. The factions are rebuilding or working up their plots and conspiracies which take time.

>>86086434
>The pacing is slowed down because the War of Five Kings is over so people aren't running around with battles happening all over the place.
I guess war does bring about progress, but there are too many meandering chapters in those books. There's also plenty of conflict going on outside of Westeros, but it never manages to matter as much. Introducing new plot threads at a point where the story should start getting resolved seemed pointless, unless GURRM wanted to start a long series of books and not wrap all plot threads in just a couple, with limited PoV characters.
I sure hope he expedites things in terms of pace, otherwise he might need yet another book to wrap everything up.