Speed vs Strength

>>86077415
One hit with massive cock and you're dead, getting poked by 2 inch wonder is annoying

Video games are exactly like real life and dex builds always win

>dex builds
>not maxing out luck
Pleb.

>>86077415
bravo OP, you've figured out that defending this scene is easy (you)s

Why is why lower weight divisions are better than higher ones, oh wait.

>>86077546
I actually kekd out lout

>>86077415
>rapier parries a claymore

that's why you stupid fucking dildo. they tried and failed horribly at making arya look like some kind of sword master.

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>>86077415

>all these fat fags trying to justify being overweight
AHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHHHAHAH
Smalllets > Fatlets

>>86077732
Collegiate sprinter and high school state champion football player here.
Strength>Speed
Every time

>>86077762
Did you score 4 touch downs in one game?

>>86077762
A weapon > Strength
Every time.

>>86077415
Why would she ever be facing backwards??

fucking retards, these maneuvers are easy to perform if you have knowledge of angles

well she has a rapier so shes fencing. which means you use your enemies weight against them like judo with a sharp stick. shes not parrying, its more like adding more momentum to the claymore to out balance her weight. also in terms of fighting, a knight has a different attitude than a ruthless assassin.

>>86077415
post the webm

>>86077415
>speedy little shit gets in a flurry of weak blows
>starts running their fucking mouth
>STR recovers and DEX gets BTFO in one hit
not like that ever happened in the series

>>86077415
>Speed beats strength. Every. Time.
Which is why the small fast guy always BTFO the bigger stronger guys in any fighting discipline huh.

Did everyone suddenly forget Oberyn vs. The Mountain?

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>>86077415
>speed vs strength
>implying you can't have both

>>86077732

That's a fake laugh

>>86079083
That's not a very good argument, since it's extremely clear that if Oberyn hadn't been an emotional little shit he would've killed The Mountain very quickly

>>86078607
Somebody make an Arya version of that math formulae meme.

What was the point of this scene exactly? For Sansa to get jelly? and Littlefinger to see what Arya is capable of?

>>86077415
Very solid, 7/10. You also should have posted something about personal martial arts experience.

A real life dex build is someone like Bronn. Not a teenage girl who does three useless movements for every useful one. Not to mention she'd get pushed the fuck back.

>>86077415
>Speed vs Strength
Yeah that's why Medieval knights never wore any plate armour and fought with tiny swords.

>>86078991
But Oberyn completely outclassed the Mountain. He didn't recover from the injuries either, he died and was resurrected as a zombie. Oberyn lost because he got cocky, but his fighting style was objectively superior.

>>86078262
Gun > Sword
Every time.

quality bulid masterrace reporting in

>>86077415
Exactly.

Which is why from Classical Antiquity to the late Medieval period you'd often see women fighting in the front lines of combat as they're far more agile. They dont need the muscle mass of men to wear heavy armor or carry shields because they just dodged everyones attacks with ease.

>>86079249
>teleports behind you

>>86079241

Obyrn went through multiple Spears. Has he not been given more and more he would have been BTFO

Strength and speed work in tandem and are not mutually exclusive.

That's why people like Iron Mike was so feared in his prime - heavyweight with the speed of a lightweight

>>86077546
Came here to post this

You missed the part where the goblin was stunned for several seconds by the kick.

>being big is the same as being slow

kek you beta virgins got anymore insight to share?

>>86079276
this. some generals even went out of their way to time the battles just right so the female soldiers would be on their period and could spray the enemy with blood to blind them.
all the strength in the world won't help you when you can't see.

>>86077415
But she would have dead in a real fight. Brienne kicked her to the ground, she could have easily finished her off.

>>86079388
You're a big guy.

Knights were always trained to be as fast as possible. In fact, I can't think of any elite fighting force in history that hasn't emphasized speed and maneuverability as key elements of their training.

>>86077415

>Watching with family
>This scene happens
>Brother looks to me and says
"What a joke"
>I reply
"I kno rite''
>Mum responds
''DON'T''

She's a YASS QUEEN SLAY sort of fan. anything with empowered females really

>>86077415
they at castle black or winterfell here whats happening

>>86077442
You don't need to be particularly strong to inflict lethal damage with a sword or dagger.

>>86079276
Precisely. Furthermore these women would often be armed with extremely small swords so that they could get around the enemy shields more easily.

>>86077415
I wasn't angry about this scene much. Obviously Arya is an amazing dueliest but shes still going to be useless compared to Brienne in a real battle because of her size

>>86079495
winterfell they just sparring

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>>86077762
>americans
>knowing shit about health and fitness
Fucking LOL

>>86079317
He knew he was going to be given multiple spears. Had it been a different set of rules or no rules at all, he'd have probably fought differently. Also if he really ran out of weapons, he could just casually jog away from the Mountain and there would literally be nothing he could do to stop him.

>>86079276
>implying fighting on the front lines is the same as dueling

If strength was so important then why didn't medieval knights and infantrymen do any kind of strength training?

>>86079609
probs trying not to die of famine

>>86077415
>Speed beats strength. Doesn't matter how strong you are if you can't hit your opponent. Eventually size makes you tired and you become weak like a lamb waiting for the slaughter.
>Speed beats strength. Every. Time.

Please shout your 12 year old mouth.

You don't know shit about sword fighting, arya can not parry Briennes swings.

Needle would break or get stuck in Briennes blade and Arya would die probably in1-2 seconds.

Most sword fights lasted only a few seconds this parrying moving around bullshit by Arya has never happened in real life.

Now take your dex build and go back to gaming where this imaginary bullshit belongs to.

>>86077415
LITTLE

realtalk dis was made to make u whitebois feel better about dat little white cock

>>86079276
Women aren't more agile than men

Can a feather duster parry a sledgehammer? In westeros it can

>>86079609
You didn't need elite athlete strength on the front lines, you just needed the basic strength of an average, healthy adult man, because those were usually also your opponents.

>>86079642
>knights
>dying of famine

Just admit that in a swordfight, strength has very little to do with it.

Wrestling? Okay. The bigger guy wins 9 times out of 10. Swordfighting? Almost nothing to do with strength.

>>86077415
Stop getting your fight knowledge from DBZ

>>86079710
You need the strength to actually swing or stab the sword with any type of power. The stronger you are, the faster you can recover from your swings and the more damage they will do.

>>86079609
>If strength was so important then why didn't medieval knights and infantrymen do any kind of strength training?

They did strength training that would kill a modern man.

>>86079609
>why didn't medieval knights and infantrymen do any kind of strength training?
Source on that ridiculous claim?

>>86077462
Holy shit, anon is right.

>>86079710
If 2 equally skilled people were sword fighting and one had a huge strength advantage over the other who do you think would win?

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>>86079485
>Watching a show about incest with your mom.
Nice.

I don't watch the show.
I did watch the scene though.
What a fucking joke it was, holy shit. Such a brittle sword can't parry for shit against such a huge sword, especially vs. someone with the build and the training of Brienne. That woman is a beast, and having a big build doesn't equate being slow, that only works for murricans after they ate too many burgers.

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>>86079276
>>86079402
>>86079524

>>86079609
>If strength was so important then why didn't medieval knights and infantrymen do any kind of strength training?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_infantry_tactics#Training

[X] doubts

>>86077415
There's only one major flaw with your reasoning. In reality massive strength also equates with massive speed.
You don't believe me? Max your "speed" and then try fighting a heavy weight boxer as a skinny fuck using only your "speed". Then come back here and tell what happened.

>>86079759
You need enough strength to be able to swing your sword and enough stamina to do it for hours on end.

You don't need to be particularly strong. Technique is far more important.

>>86079776
>They did strength training that would kill a modern man
[citation needed]
Given that the average height for a man in the middle ages was about 5'6", I really doubt that.

>>86077688
She used the perfect angle, that's all there is to it.

>>86079609
>why didn't medieval knights and infantrymen do any kind of strength training?
Except for wrestling, heavy sparring, ungodly amounts of marching and so on? Endurance and discipline were far more important than strength, but you're an idiot if you make the claim that they didn't drill soldiers to be strong enough to use their fucking equipment properly.
>>86079837
>Medieval

What if prime mike tyson wielded needle? I bet he could parry a nuke

>>86079837
>Standards varied over time, but normally recruits were first required to complete 20 Roman miles (29.62 km or 18.405 modern miles) with 20.5 kg in five summer hours (the Roman day was divided into 12 hours regardless of season), which was known as "the regular step" or "military pace".[7] They then progressed to the "faster step" or "full pace"[7] and were required to complete 24 Roman miles (35.544 km or 22.086 modern miles) in five summer hours loaded with 20.5 kilograms (45 lb).
Would you have made the cut, /tv/?

>>86079898
>>Medieval
>1453
>Not medieval

>>86079782
I didn't know they had gyms in the middle ages bro.

>>86079806
The more skilled fighter. Strength has very little to do with it.

Go get the strongest guy in the world, give him a sword or spear and put him up against a little shaolin monk with a scimitar or halberd and watch him get carved up like a turkey.

>>86077415
This only works because both have swords, Needle can penetrate Brienne in some area's as much as Brienne'se sword can basically wreck Arya.

However if without weapons then perhaps Brienne would win.

If with multiple Brienne's then Brienne would probably still win.

>>86079952
>roman
>medieval
Before you mention MUH BYZANITUM the article specifically lists equipment that was was the republican/early imperial era.

>>86079963
You're retarded and your bait is pathetic. Enjoy the (You)s, dipshit.

>>86080004
t. buttblasted faggot with zero arugments
Bye faggot

>>86079963
lmao you're not even trying here

>>86079909
>can you walk 20 miles in 10 hours carrying a 50 pound pack

Sure, but I wouldn't be fucking happy about it.

>>86079963
Even people who legitimately believe this shit put more effort into their posts. Cmon dude

>>86079993
>specifically lists equipment that was was the republican/early imperial era.
>Vegetius
>Republic/early

>>86079975
It workers because the writers made it so. Fancy spinning from a little teenage girl can't beat an armored knight who's arms and weapon both have DOUBLE the reach of her opponents, especially one who's also supposedly a good duelist and can fight dirty as fuck.
Literally:
>keep your distance
>point your sword at arya and thrust it at her

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>speed beats strength
>not understanding the core concept of the strength-velocity curve and strength training's effect on it in 2017

Fucking normies should die already

>>86080101
>scuta, gladius and pila
This might come as surprise to you but a historian can write about events that occured before his life; that also doesn't mean that he lived during those times.

>>86079963
Hah you actually believe this, amazing. I'd bet my life savings that you spend most of your time jacking off over animes with little girls overpowering everyone in their way.

>>86080035
>>86080092
You haven't refuted anything I've said.

Swordfighting is mostly reflexes and hand eye coordination. Literally DEX.

How dumb do you have to be to believe that muscles are going to win a swordfight. Only 4channers who've never left their basement or done any contact sport could be this delusional.

>>86079963
I said they were both equally skilled fool. Don't even know why i'm replying to your obvious bait

>>86080104
>point your sword at arya and thrust it at her
This. Why did the great lummox only swing giant overhead strikes instead of just thrusts? I'd like to see a little girl parry that with her pissy little rapier.

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>>86080169

>>86080156
You're projecting there neckbeard. I don't even like anime.

Again, you can't refute a single thing I've said because you have never done any contact sports or martial arts in your life. Get out of your basement sometime dude.

>>86077415
Yeah thats why contact sports have "speed categories" and not "weight categories".

Right OP?

>>86080207
People are never equally skilled you retard. The winner is obviously more skilled. That's what the contest is there to decide.

>>86080243
>boxing and swordfighting are the same thing

This is what happens when virgins on an anime forum think they have a clue about martial arts. Fucking hilarious.

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Logic vs 20 Good Men

who wins?

>>86080172
But Brienne more than once actually strikes at Arya and she parries the blows like nothing with a laughably tiny sword. Was that also her great dexterity? Each blow should have ended the fight.

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>>86080299
t. buttblasted Stannisfag

God I'm so glad that faggot is dead. It's time you got over it as well anon.

>>86080232
I've done HEMA for a few semesters, and honestly there was no little girl with next to no muscles, so no, I can't refute anything you said. Maybe they truly are the greatest fighters on earth but noone has found out yet?

>>86080232
Whats the limit of human agility? Its not even very good. Ok so you can sidestep quick and cartwheel and jump thats about it. Only good to a point in a sword fight becaue its about footwork where balance from core strength is more important.

>>86077415
Dude it's a fantasy. Like, turn off your brain. This not a documentary!

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Dex wins.

>>86080324
Sure that fight scene is retarded. I'm not denying that. It's just fanservice.

I'm arguing that, in general, reflexes and hand eye coordination are more important in a swordfight. Strength isn't really a big deal. In fact, endurance and balance are far more important. Anyone who's ever swung a sword IRL can attest to that.

>>86080367
I'm talking about able bodied men obviously.

A N G L E S

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What you really need is def.

>>86080410
>blue shirt guy goes and starts dancing

10/10

>>86080473
Quick rundown?

>>86080498
niggers

>>86080498
Forget it Jake, it's China.

>>86080410
BLACKED

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>>86080539

>>86077415
Fedora

>>86079307
Oh shit

>>86080349
>Dany is the rightful ruler!
>It's her turn!

>>86077415
I was going to point out that rapiers are useless against armor, but I never noticed how leg armor doesn't exist in GoT

>>86080674
Dany is the strongest. The mighty will rule Westeros again.

You didn't believe that balding old cuck could contend with dragons did you? Get fucked Stannisfag.

>>86079892
Doesn't matter if she used the "perfect angle" or not. Rapiers are not made to parry long swords, they're made to parry other rapiers.

If Araya tried that shit in real life her sword would have either bended or snapped like a fucking twig.

I do HEMA. I'm a manlet and I've fought guys with hand and a half swords who are around 7 foot tall, they have one big disadvantage, and that is that they telegraph their moves because their limbs are so fucking long. But this is a rather small disadvantage because reach is a huge, beneficial factor when fighting with swords.

People don't realize how close two swordsmen have to be to actually hit each other with any effect. Reach is a great advantage to have for this reason.

>>86079276
>you'd often see women fighting in the front lines of combat as they're far more agile.

All you fuckers are straight out retarded. Female fighters is the bigest meme in history. I went to a kickboxing club for 3 years and some random dude could kick a female who got european 2nd place and she flew like a damn ragdoll. Stronk hollywood women don't exist.
Why do you think boxers for example do weight tests? Even just a 10 kilogram difference is the world in any fight. Women have half the muscle density of men and often weigh 2/3 of what a man weighs. A group of men would mow to a group of women like through gras, especially if they wear armor that women can't pierce through with their shit strength no matter how fast.

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>>86080861
>I do HEMA

>>86077415
It's a mistake to think strong people aren't fast. Look at Mike Tyson. Muscles generate power, power is strength times speed. The "big slow dumb character" and the "fast agile tiny character" are outdated debunked comic book tropes. It would be different if she were fat and untrained, but she isn't. In reality Brienne/Gwendolyn would utterly destroy that little goblin and turn her inside out before it could ever get in range.

Someone show that video of the little white dude and the big black dude

>>86079276
Brutal reversal.

>>86081158
this board is sfw

>>86081130
>tyson _shadow_boxing.webm

Nigga was scary

>>86079609
They hadn't had cars or machines like today and couldn't sit on their lazy ass. Everyone was more or less fit already by daily working activies, plus military did have drills you retard. Stop thinking you're an expert on history because of fantasy fiction.

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>>86077415
Need Endurance.

>>86077415
>arya scene
>skip

problem solved that ugly goblin deseve no screen time

>>86081130
>The "big slow dumb character" and the "fast agile tiny character" are outdated debunked comic book tropes.

You're partially right. It's always better to be bigger as the advantage in size far outweighs the disadvantage in speed, that's why weight classes in fighting sports exist, but it's also clear that featherweights are faster than heavyweights.

>>86080971
>Being this stupid.

>>86077479
>not maxing out INT and having others fight for you while you're fucking the hottest women
Pen is mightier than the sword.

>>86080169
absolutely kill yourself you degenerate

>>86081370
Why would she do this?

>>86079892
Someone explain this meme to me.

>>86081455
Sometimes it's really hard to spot irony here.

>>86077415
man she got fat
that's actually disgusting

>>86079105
IRL you die of a heart attack when you do cardio and roids

>>86079609
The body adapts

Carry the sword and armour long enough and you'll be strong and endurant enough

>>86077415

They've shown multiple times in the show what happens when a heavily armored and lightly armored person fight. It all depends on how they fight.

the only problem I have with this is that she's literally using a toothpick. Brienne just have to let herself get stabbed, grab the sword and the fight is over. Alternatively she just swings without avoiding the blows, they won't do shit

>>86077415

What universe do you come from where size makes you tired? Size is mass and mass is endurance. I guarantee you a big guy will last longer in a fight than a skinny fast guy who doesn't eat.

>>86082657
anime?

>>86079710
Knights actually wrestled, you high functioning retard.

>>86079809
who i that?

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>>86079892
No such thing as 'the perfect angle' in this situation - the weight behind the broadsword's swing would just bash through anything that flimsy little twig could put up. Her pointy little stick wouldn't be able to touch the giantess either, had she been wearing her full rig (leg armour included). People in plate armour aren't that slow or clumsy.

AFAIK there are no guns in GoT? That means weapons and armour development would have stayed at late medieval: that's full plate harness and big two handed fuckoff weapons. It's the advent and widespread development/use of guns which first saw armour coverage shrink to just a helm + chestplate, and then weapons switch to light and faster stuff like the rapiers and sabres.

>>86079552
>retired
>lineman
>lineman
>passive sport
>lineman
Don't hate on us because we have multiple sports unlike you guys
>soccer is the best sport we don't need anything else
Soccer is shit

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>>86077415
>finally think fights get more realistic after euron murders sneks
>arya parry's two handed attacks while loosely holding oversized toothpick

>>86079809
>>86083074
https://xhamster.com/photos/gallery/cute-barista-eleni-7337345

>>86083564
praise be upon you

>>86077415
Look at trunks when he went ss2, got massive and bulky, couldn't touch Cel.

>>86083361
Thats pretty rad

>>86080172
>Swordfighting is mostly reflexes
>How dumb do you have to be to believe that muscles are going to win a swordfight

10/10, replied, etc but what do you think reflexes are?

>>86083361
>leg armour included
find me a single picture of someone in GoT with it

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>>86083361
>that move at 22 seconds in
Impressive, very nice

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>>86077415

>>86080349
DELET

>>86077546
This is like ten years old and still relevant how.

>>86078863
answer this one faggits.

BTFO

>>86081649
>People really believe in this
LMAO

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>>86077546

>>86078863
>rapier

rapiers are long as shit.
she has a smallsword

>>86079909
>but normally recruits were first required to complete 20 Roman miles (29.62 km or 18.405 modern miles) with 20.5 kg

>Would you have made the cut, /tv/?

I wouldn't but the weekly "commando run" for my country's special forces is 16km in 2hours with 30kg backpack

>>86083055
Just FIY this is from a shitty kickboxing teen flick called The Fighters or something like that

What triggered me here is that Brianne was swinging so hard at numerous occasions if it actually hit Arya she would've been cut in half

>>86079609
actually medieval Christian monks would go to the gym every day in order to get the strength required to practice ancient Christian martial arts techniques

>>86079710
You can't move a sword or your own body fast without strength. Strength is speed.

Fat saps speed and women are 25%+ fat.

>>86077415

f=ma

Muscles generate both mass and acceleration

Therefore, the more muscles you have, you will hit both faster and harder than your opponent

If you are taller, then that helps too because you can reach your opponent before they reach you

The only way the girl on the right would beat the girl on the left is if she brought a shotgun to the fight

there was a fucking dragon flying around and shit
its all magic bullshit so why even think

>>86079878
>You can have stamina and speed without strength
Lol, these are not independent attributes.

>>86077415
Speed only matters if you're at least 10 times faster than your opponent, otherwise you can't go in and come back out without getting hit. Sometimes speed doesn't matter against durability, either. Can quicksilver beat the hulk? Flash is different because Speedforce is ridiculous.

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>>86083806
>>86077415

>>86079892
Is this a superhero show? The only person I know with this kind of power is Karate Kid from the Legion of Super-Heroes.

>>86079909
US Army regulations require 20mi w/ 45lbs in 5 hours, tested twice a year. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

They give us a scene in which Arya gets wrecked by the Hound in a matter of seconds and then expect us to believe this.

She has gone through no formal sword training since season 1 and is now a master?

>>86084202
Top fucking kek

>>86084425
But anon don't you remember her epic training with le enigio le montana? Le what do we le say to death?

>>86077415
What happened to her valyrian steel sword?

>>86084613
She was sparing, theres no need of using such a sword for that

>>86077415
Both of them suck compared to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3NbZBINbvQ#t=1m39s

>>86081459
That's charisma you numb skull, int is where you wave your hands and everyone burns down but you don't get any chicks because you're a disgusting corrupted looking creep.

>>86077415
OP will be proven right when the MOUNTAIN GETS BTFO BY ARYA

>>86077688
it's not even a rapier dude. it's a fucking smallsword. it even looks ridiculous how she clacks her sword against briennes and it has no impact on her whatsoever. Also the no aim slashes are retarded.

P.S. remind me how pod is still receiving day one lessons after all this time

>>86081895
Yes, but the point of the fight was to spar. I dont know why everyone here is arguing about how Brienne should have cut her in half of stabbed her in the gut. She's a little girl and a highborn lady Brienne is sworn to protect. Why is everyone ignoring this? I guess you bookfaggots just need to believe what u want to believe. And gtfo of a board called /tv if u wanna discuss the books

>>86077415
you know if they actually fought Arya could annihilate brienne. one whiffed swing and Arya would just stab her in the leg and shes totally fucked

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>>86080169

>>86084754
>inferior reach, strength and speed
If anyone would miss it would be Arya, but I wouldn't expect quality from Gay of Throwouts.

It is a stupid david and goliath meme.

>>86084754
or in the face, since she didnt wear a helmet

>>86077415
Unlike your animes in real life strength = speed.

A kid like arya would get annihilated in one strike, it doesn't even need to penetrate the armor, her bones would break at a slab of metal coming at you at 90km/h

>>86083361
>webm
this shit hurts my eyes

>>86079898
>>86079952
It still shows physical training that took place before medieval times. What makes you think soldiers or knights in the medieval era didn't try to get in shape or train?

>>86080349
Is that sword stuck in his shoulder?

>>86084873
This + reach is big factor. If Brienne actually fought like a master swordsman she is supposed to be, Arya would never be able to get close.

>>86084754
Give her a shield and Arya would die by a shield bash...

>>86077415
>Speed beats strength. Every. Time.

Life is not an anime or video game. There is a reason why there are weight classes in boxing and MMA.

>>86081499
China

>Episode where STR one shots DEX after getting pounded on for the whole fight
10/10, perfect realism thank you based mountain

>Episode whare magic boosted DEX manages to stalemate STR
Absolutely Disgusting I've never been so offended at a cartoon before 0/10

>>86078863

blah blah blah blah anime shit blah blah shut the fuck up.

>>86084873
The heavier something is (claymore) the longer it would take to accelerate, smaller weapons are known to even break the sound barrier and the tip of a fencers rapier is the second fastest object in all sport second only to literal marksmen gunfire.

Arya could easily decapitate a fighter without a helmet with a ultrasonic swordstrike

>>86083361

Cool moves but they would never work in a real sparring session let alone in a real fight. It's like those cool martial arts moves which are demonstrated but you never see them performed in actual fighting.

>>86084425

what are you talking about, she lived and trained with the best assassins in the world.

>>86085149
She literally has a training montage

>>86079232
Well yeah that's literally the reason rapiers became predominant later on.

Heavy infantry dates back to the greeks, heavy cavalry predates the medieval period. "Knights" were, in terms of equipment, originally an ordinary military unit, designed to work in formation in large numbers.

Later you would have to be a landed lord to even own armour, so shit became ceremonial in a bunch of ways and single combat in full armour became a thing. In that context you aren't holding a line or defending men next to you, and you're not worried about suddenly getting speared by a dude behind the dude you're fighting, so yes, light armour and tiny swords eventually did win out.

>>86085131
>find manuscript
>try and translate it
>still don't know what's going on
>make up something that kinda works
Just because something was written and illustrated in a book doesn't make it magical or perfect. Nor does it mean they interpreted the fighting technique correctly.

Still way better than George Lucas prequel lightsaber spinning.

>>86085149

She spent the entire season washing dead bodies and blind stick fighting. She didn't even have her sword.

>>86085213
rapiers aren't tiny

>>86077415

It is not that simple.
Since Arya has no strenght nor has a powerful weapon, the damage she'll inflict will be minor, unless she scores a critical one.
A bigger opponent can just take the hit, grab her and break her in half like a twig.
In a real fight Brienne would have killed her.

With that said, Arya is pretty high level now.
Probably in top 10. Likely in top 5 in a few episodes if she keeps training with Brienne.

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When Brienne asked Arya who taught her to fight like that she said no one, Brienne gives her a look. Did she think Arya was fucking with her or did she know exactly who Arya was talking about?

Why didn't Arya just go kill Cersei and then go back to Winterfell?

She could have put on the face of the Braavos Iron Bank dude or some shit, it isn't like Zombie Clegane was even in the room with them, not that Arya would apparently have any problems with Clegane now.

It's almost like they overpowered her character and have to figure out a way to arbitrarily stall her in one location to prevent her from just killing everyone and ending the story too soon.

>>86077415
Brienne throwing power swings and Arya being able to parry said swings were the only problems for me. Arya dodging Brienne's attacks is very plausible as they were very telegraphed due to her power attacking.

>>86085269
I mean, they're long, but like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_sword

>>86085296
Is arya also this super human in the books?

>>86085296
>It's almost like they overpowered her character and have to figure out a way to arbitrarily stall her in one location to prevent her from just killing everyone and ending the story too soon.

sounds like the Night King, only they don't even bother giving us a reason for stalling him

>implying the dwarf parried anything
Arya doesn't really parry the swings, the dike cunt just swings slowly a couple of feet off target and the goblin taps it with her sword on the way down. Would it fucking kill these people to hire a decent fight choreographer for at least one episode?

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>>86080169
what the fuck

>>86077415
It would have been absolutely fine, if:
1. Arya hadn't blocked a broadsword with the middle of a rapier. Because it should have snapped. Also the sheer weight difference between the two of them, every hit that she blocked or parried should have thrown her off her feet.
2. If we'd actually seen Arya become a master Water Dancer in Braavos. Instead her sword got hidden and she learned the staff and selling cockles.

The fight should have ended when Brienne kicked her, that seemed like a good stopping point. Having them tie only made Arya seem Mary Sue levels of OP considering Brienne's feats, and Brienne seem less impressive considering Arya's lack of combat training.

>>86085296
Did you miss the part where Sansa saw her training and was like "oh shit she's serious about the list thing." Remember Sansa has got some weird vibes about violent nobiity at this point so that's gonna be important.

Also this way Arya now has the Bran dagger, which is pretty perfect for killing Cercei.

Arya the straight up terminator woulda been fun but now she's gonna have some feelings about her family not being quite as dead as she thought, which might be a big deal since she kinda sacrificed some shit to become the terminator.

Arya is the avatar of the Man(y)-Face(d) God.

>>86077415
To everyone who could possibly be criticising this scene, Brienne is one of the top duelists in all of the 7 kingdoms with a longsword, and Arya trained with some fucking magical demi god while blind - I can see why they'd go toe to toe.

I think there was one part where Arya blocked Brienne's sword which is retarded but other than that she dodged and countered, which I see no problem with.

>>86085213
good post +1

>>86085281
But I think she would go for critical strikes, we see her go straight for the neck multiple times, which would put someone out of action for sure.

>>86080169
Ayyyy only expect to see this stuff on 8 - chan

>>86085377
In the books she's still in Essos so we haven't seen what she can do yet.

It's pretty clear she's got some kinda stolen death magic superhuman-ness though. Idk what the boggle is with this scene, of course she's basically unbeatable at this point. It's a major story element that Westeros people are kinda ritualised and dumb about warfare, and the East is fucking owning everybody by playing a different game.

>>86085555
Yeah probably.

>>86080971
How does it feel?

>>86085610
I think she was able to pull that off because Brienne wasn't taking her seriously in the first 2 attempts.
Considering the size difference and the reach/height difference, it would be extremely hard for Arya to stab Brienne in the face or neck with a lethal strike in a realistic scenario.

There is also the stamina issue. The only defense arya has is her movement, so she has to be on the move constantly whereas Brienne can sit still and preserve stamina and tire out Arya in which case she'll lose considerable amounts of speed.

>>86085681
I enjoyed season 1 of got but i kinda stopped watching right after should i pick it up again? Is it a good show?

>>86085847
nah, don't bother.

>>86085847
I don't know why the hell you're asking me even though I'm definitely the person everybody should ask about everything, but yeah it's pretty good.

At this point there's only one more season to go though so you might wanna wait a year so you can marathon it all?

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>>86085903
>but yeah it's pretty good.

>>86085213
>Well yeah that's literally the reason rapiers became predominant later on.

Pretty sure firearms are the reason

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>>86077479
>>86081459
>not min-maxing luck and dex

>>86083055
Isn't that from Never Back Down?

>>86085827
even in the end were they both not pointed at each others necks?

This was sparring which is still entirely different to a real fight, I think in a real situation Arya would still have a very good chance, the same way Oberyn was able to beat the mountain, it may take more strikes but eventually Arya could do it.

Although this is Brienne, also one of the greatest duelists in westeros. I think it's hard to say who would win.

>>86085903
Great i just do that then

>>86085969
...you think firearms are the reason the rapier was invented?

Explain that one to me, anon

>>86079552
>someone took the time to make this image
>probably took an hour out of their day to cherrypick all these images

Just let that sink in

>>86086057
He's talking about the abandonment of heavy armor.

>>86081019
Oh tell me tripfag, what other physical activity than going to fridge and back in your moms attic were you doing lately?

>>86086057
Firearms and gunpowder artillery are the reason why rapiers and clothes replaced heavy armors and swords on the battlefield in the 16th century

>>86086031
If it were a real fight she'd never see Arya coming

>>86086079
That was never brought up. Literally nobody was talking about that. The question was weather light armour and mobility are superior to heavy weapons and full armour, and the answer is this is exactly why the rapier and its descendants exist.

>>86077415
It's an absolute meme.

Swordfighting is not a ballet dance, and you don't swing swords around willy nilly hoping you'll hit something.

>also wearing massive pauldrons and a heavy breastplate but not wearing any greaves

>>86079503
You do in real life, swords don't cut too good without strength behind it and poking people/stabbing is very slow and innefective unless you can do it on important organs/arteries, which is nightmare tier hard to do in a fight with an armored opponent that is fighting back.

And no good fighter will ever let you stability his neck, that fight was clearly a meme.

>>86085131
>Cool moves but they would never work in a real sparring session let alone in a real fight.
Spoken like someone who's never been in a real fight

Drills train muscle memory, it's the same principle as boxing exercises or practicing judo throws. In fencing, if you practice receiving an oberhau strike with an ochs guard enough, you'll instinctively know to perform an ochs guard when someone tries an oberhau strike on you in a real fight.

>>86086150
>That was never brought up. Literally nobody was talking about that.
see >>86085213
>Heavy infantry dates back to the greeks, heavy cavalry predates the medieval period. "Knights" were, in terms of equipment, originally an ordinary military unit, designed to work in formation in large numbers.

>>86085131
They're pretty simple moves, you have no idea what you're talking about

>>86084126
Do you know what fast twitch fibres are?

>>86086221
>>>/v/

>>86086180
This you wouldn't believe how often sparing saved my life when i faced myself fancing on the streets

>>86086150
Well that's an easy way to end the discussion, but I'd assumed we were talking about a damn fight, not an assassination.

>>86086261
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fast+twitch+muscle+fibres&gws_rd=cr&ei=TsKJWfWkHMbWgAadxqywDQ

>>>/trash/

>>86086133
>>86086181
Firstly that's not what anybody was talking about you dumb fucker.

Look at what thread you're in. We were talking about Arya versus Brienne. Obviously the question was about swords. Nobody said ANYTHING about the end of plate armour.

Secondly, no. Rapiers existed concurrently to armour and infantry weapons. They were used in personal duels where they made larger swords obsolete. People continued to use armour. The whole point of a rapier is you can rapidly punch it at unarmoured areas.

Thirdly, you're off by about two hundred years. Rapiers were used mainly from the sixteenth century, sure. Artillery wasn't until much later. Firearms existed in some form much earlier, but not in the modern form in warfare until somewhat later.

I've got a feeling I'm talking to some idiot who got proven wrong and is now trying to argue some completely irrelevant point to save face, but you're still fucking wrong even about this,

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>>86085131
>be Jim Jimmyson, 21st century boxer
>practice receiving a left hook with a cross block 1000 times
>know to receive a left hook with a cross block
>Bob Bobberson tries to start shit with me in the street
>he throws a left hook
>instinctively receive it with a cross block because that's what I've trained to do
"Yes, this seems reasonable"

>be Jahn Jahnyson, 15th century fencer
>practice receiving a mittelhau with a pflug block 1000 times
>know to receive a mittelhau with a pflug block
>Bohb Bohberson tries to start shit with me in the street
>draws his sword and swings at me with a mittelhau
>instinctively receive it with a pflug block because that's what I've trained to do
"heh...real fights don't work that way kiddo...that fancy schmantzy stuff would get you killed on the street...better luck next time...punk..."

>>86086417
>Nobody said ANYTHING about the end of plate armour.
see >>86085213
>so yes, light armour and tiny swords eventually did win out.

>>86085827
>Stamina

Arya is way younger and smaller and lighter, she's got a big natural edge there. Plus Brienne is wearing heavy plate and swinging a heavy weapon which erodes that defensive advantage a bit.

>>86086261
Are you fucking retarded?

>>86086492
Right, nothing to do with firearms. What point are you trying to make here you dumb fuck? You can't have it both ways

>implying realistically Brienne wouldn't also be faster due to her much longer limbs and muscle mass

Arya was defeated when she got kicked to the ground. Brienne let her get up. If it was for realsies then she would have leapt into the sky with the sun at her back and used falling sword to finish her

>>86086630
Would have been epic. I hope someone makes a believable montage of this series of events unfolding.

>>86077415
>this is what manlets actually believe

kek
KeK
KEK

>>86086603
>Nobody said ANYTHING about the end of plate armour.
>moves the goal posts to firearms now
Do you not even read the drivel you type? Good luck with your life anon. You're going to need it.

>>86077415
Angry manlet The post

>>86077415
I'm only angry that there's no brienne-arya domination bondage scene.

>>86085074
Yes, so those with bigger weight have a chance to win something.

>>86081512

Meme justification for why a sword with the width of a curtain rod didn't get snapped in half by trying to block a claymore's overhead swing.

>>86086417
>Rapiers were used mainly from the sixteenth century, sure. Artillery wasn't until much later.

Get a load of this retard
Artillery was already used at the end of the 100 Years War, in the 1450s

>>86077688
>rapier

Its a florete you mong

>>86086163
are you actually retarded? You could injure people with armor on the places that connect the parts of the armor with each other, for example the armpit, shoulder, neck, somewhere in the groin. It's a little bit like Griffith who attacks Guts in the beginning of the series. It's not like it's shown in movies.

Did no one in here even take a basic fucking year 12 PE class? What's the retarded assumption that more muscle mass = more speed? There are different muscle fibres that work in different ways.

As long as everyone is arguing about this nerd shit, did Christian martial artists have wrestling back then? I am tired as shit of weaboos jacking off about how Samurai would demolish Knights with Judo.

>>86087464
see >>86083361
>I am tired as shit of weaboos jacking off about how Samurai would demolish Knights with Judo.
I've never heard weebs claim that, but in any case, they're retarded weebs, who gives a shit?

>>86077688
This. The scene would have been fine if she had just dodged everything, not LITERALLY PARRYING A GIANT FUCKING BLADE OUT OF THE WAY WITH THE FLICK OF HER WRIST.

Why didn't they switch actresses when it became apparent Arya would grow up to be a goblin? This isn't the Harry Potter franchise. It's HBO, some liberties can be made.

>>86087664
>Crabbe

>>86079331
Heavyweight with speed of a middleweight. Also helped that he reigned in a historical lowpoint of heavyweight boxers

>>86078863
There are clearly moments when Arya straight up parrys Brienne's sword. It was a dumb, poorly choreographed scene. That's it.

>>86080169

what magical skills does arya have?

>>86087778
Tyson would murder death kill your boy Ali

>>86085338
The weapon of choice for CIA.

>>86087855
how about the magical skill to disguise herself as literally anyone?

>>86085101

claymores weight about 5 pounds doe

>>86086417

>Obviously the question was about swords. Nobody said ANYTHING about the end of plate armour.

Obviously weaponry and armor to defend against it are intrinsically linked.

Rapiers themselves did not "make larger swords obsolete" and a trained fighter in full plate with a sword and shield would easily defeat someone with a rapier. Well made plate doesn't have gaps that you could realistically exploit.

Rapiers and smaller swords like cutlasses and sabers proliferated because plate armor fell out of use as firearms became more common. People stopped full wearing plate because it was expensive and didn't provide protection against muskets- instead opting for thicker cuirasses. Consequently swords better adapted to fighting people with limited or no armor replaced swords that were necessarily heavy so they could be used as blunt instruments against armored opponents.

Even then, longswords were replaced by the saber, basket-hilted broadswords etc. which were primarily slashing weapons rather than stabbing weapons.

A rapier is literally one of the worst weapons you could possibly have in a fight against someone in full plate armor. You're talking about putting a person in armor specifically designed to stop fast and narrow projectiles, with a sword designed to chop people in leather armor apart, against someone with a sword for fighting unarmored.

>>86077415
Why do people assume Brienne is slow and lumbering? She's about the same size as the Hound and he's swift as fuck.

>>86087259
You baka, it's clearly a wakizashi

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>>86080142
I really don't like this graph.
It just seems soo wrong.
Yeah I did a bit of digging, this one looks 100x better.

Force-Velocity still looks redundant and nondescript
Power seems more practical.

>>86088081
because when I played Street Fighter Zangief was slow and Chun Li would always beat me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aaehn1aY8Ig

>>86079276
I know nu-males who unironically wants to believe this.

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She has a point

>speed beats strength
maybe
but she crossed swords with her and even stopped her swings with her tiny ass sword
thats all strength
thats all fiction
speed argument doesn't belong in this case

>>86087259
It's a Katana!

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>>86083361
Are you telling me real life fighters don't aim at eachothers swords and instead end a sword fight after two seconds?

>>86088497
That was bad. I didn't even need the internet to tell me think that was dumb.

/ourguy/ put his video up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epxdxcy6dYs

>>86088497
I didnt even realize this. Thank god the internet pointed it out for me

>>86088497
There was a deeper hole filled with a water next to the shallow part so both Jaimie and Bronn could bullshit their way out of getting killed in a battle.

>>86088737
a plot hole?

>>86088497
It was a Jesus Christ of horses

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>>86080169

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>>86088497

>>86084899
>What makes you think soldiers or knights in the medieval era didn't try to get in shape or train?
Did they write anything about it?

Closest I've read is that the ideal body shape for a mounted knight was basically what we consider the ideal body today; V-shape with a large, strong upper-body and a relatively narrow waist. Because you wanted your mounted knights as strong as possible while still weighing as little as possible.

Dunno if they actually worked out to achieve this though or if people just relied on their natural strength and the best knights ended up as those who were just naturally way stronger without any training.

>>86088497
whoever pushed him used the most efficient angle to throw him 100 meters away

>>86088805
All according to keikaku. Main characters wear plot armor. People like Dickon or the Tarly general will die next episode.

>>86085149
>what are you talking about, she lived and trained with the best assassins in the world.
It never fails to amaze me how clueless the people on here can be.
Do you really think the training for being an assassin is as combat based as the training for being a knight?
Assassins are trained to kill as quickly and as stealthily as possible. THEY ARE NOT GOING IN THERE EXPECTING TO HAVE A DUEL.

>>86088870
>People like Dickon or the Tarly general will die next episode.

The old Tarly roasted in the first minute, and Dickon prolly died offscreen

>>86088964
No, the person burned was wearing Lannister armor.

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>>86089008
Nah man, this one is definitly the old Tarly
Facial features give it away

>>86088936
>Do you really think the training for being an assassin is as combat based as the training for being a knight?
Yeah, I'd imagine they'd train to defend against and kill a knight, just in case they got caught assassinating a lord or some shit. Seems kind of important, now that you mention it.
I imagine they would try to cheat their way out of fencing against a trained knight and kill him as fast as possible to minimize the risk.

Arya's sword is a thrusting weapon. Meant to stab in between plates and armor and spread mail rings.

she is mostly using it wrong.

>>86088805
Rivers actually work like that though
Or at least, they do in WoW

>>86089071
Watch the scene again and focus on the armor that the people are wearing.

>>86079219
My God you're right

>>86089074
>Yeah, I'd imagine they'd train to defend against and kill a knight
Obviously they are trained for closehand combat, but their training doesn't emphasize it at all.

Picture a person who has been trained for war and constantly fighting opponents, vs someone who was trained to kill people without being caught?
In a duel a knight should have the advantage over an assassin.

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Say her name

>>86089160
>but their training doesn't emphasize it at all.
The show fails to emphasize it. They aren't just assassins that wear masks, they are meant to become anyone and have their abilities. Jaqen was a knight when he first met Arya, he would be able to fight as good as any other knight to fit it.

>>86089160
>someone who was trained to kill people without being caught?
I suppose they wouldn't be very effective assassins if they weren't ready to fight their way out of a potential mess.

>>86089251
>Jaqen was a knight when he first met Arya
That's where you're wrong. He was a Prisoner when he first met Arya. She freed him.
Jacquen was disguising himself as a Knight he was never an actual Lannister soldier. I'm sure he could fight, but his main talent was assassination.

Jacquen Hagar is a badass, but he's not a warrior. He's an assassin. He's best at sneaking and killing people before they have time to react.

A knight who has had years of experience dueling and battling in war, should be better at sparring than someone whose main training is stealth kills, changing their face, and creating poison.

>>86083391
>have a sport twisted enough so fat people can play

>>86088497
The one who knocked him off his horse was actually Jorah, trying to save Dany from getting speared. The reason he went so deep is that now that Jorah has been cured, he has super stone man strength.
Screencap this.

>>86089251
>>86089417
THink about it, one person trains assasin shit, poisons, claning bodies (for some reason) etc. and then also fighting. Another person trains only to fight, who will be better?

The meme that someone can just train really hard for some years and be better than even the average proffesional soldier is retarded. SInce the soldier (especially if it's a knigh) has been training har his/her entire fucking life.

>>86089417
>I suppose they wouldn't be very effective assassins if they weren't ready to fight their way out of a potential mess.
They'd be very ineffective if they had to fight their way out of a potential mess.
Closehand combat should be a last-ditch resort when everything goes horribly wrong. Which is the reason I don't think the faceless men focus on combat training as much.

A good assassin shouldn't be dueling or having sword fights very often.
It's sort of like learning martial arts when you're an infantry man in the military. You primarily are training with guns and shooting, the small amount of CQC training you'd get would be for extremely unlikely scenarios.

I doubt the faceless men would put that much focus on dueling as compared to espionage and assassination.

>>86089420
>>86089552

I was wrong, and he was just a soldier not a knight. Still he would have been able to fight on the same level as them. When they fist show Jaqen they have him kill a person with his own dogs and he talks about how he could kill a king. Then when they get to the training it's some jedi stuff and neat masks.

>>86089687
>he was just a soldier not a knight
I should add he was disguised as a soldier.
That wasn't his occupation. He was originally imprisoned. He disguised himself as a soldier to avoid capture.

>>86088805
>those shoulders

Based dickon

>>86089748
He could stay in his position as a soldier for years if he had to, he would have to be able to preform as a soldier. The show did a bad job by making it seem like they just pop on masks.

>>86089816
I'm sorry to continually let you down. But I don't think Assassins are as skilled as fighting as knights.

>>86085213
That's completely and utterly wrong though.
It was firearms that caused that transition, and even then it took centuries before heavy armor began to be phased out.

>>86089865
In general, yes. But these are super magic assassins from magic land. These particular assassins from this story should be as skilled.

>>86089910
still that doesn't even make that much logical sense.

>>86089581
>Closehand combat should be a last-ditch resort when everything goes horribly wrong.
I never implied otherwise, but they still need to be trained and ready for this sort of deal.

>>86089971
Yeah but why would be as trained for fighting as a knight would be?

>>86090072
To kill a knight if the opportunity arises. And they wouldn't be as well trained at knight fighting as a knight, they would probably train to get around that.

>>86089949
The scene with Arya was dumb. Their skills don't make a tiny sword able to block a full sized one. I'm just saying they are supposed to be good fighters because they are supposed to be anything.

>>86090110
>And they wouldn't be as well trained at knight fighting as a knight
Which is why it's suprising Arya won the duel.
I put it down to Brienne underestimating her not Arya being a better or evenly matched swordsman

>>86090135
but they shouldn't be better fighters than a knight

>>86077415
strength is speed faggot

>>86090191
Yeah, I didn't phrase that correctly. They would train to kill a knight using any means necessary, not observing the rules of chivalry or whatever. So essentially an assassin would be prepared to face a knight by dishonorable means, and not one on one combat.
Arya didn't really defeat Brienne, they ended in a stalemate.

>>86088936
>Assassins are trained to kill as quickly and as stealthily as possible.

Knights are just trained to kill quickly, a method which is far more effective when fighting someone.

>>86089971
THey don't have enough time. There is a reason knights are good at killing people, that's what they train for, it's their full time job.

Every second the assassin is making poison the knight is training.

Every second spent cleaning dead bodies the knight is training.
Every second spent in disguise/spying the knight is training.


They could maybe beat conscripts but once someone who isn't a professional soldier meets a professional he is fucked.


It's like putting a soldier against an mma fighter in hand to hand combat, of course they mma fighter will win,.

>>86090244
Arya did technically beat Brienne in the duel because Arya's dagger was touching Briennes plate.
I just put it down to Brienne sleeping on arya and not taking shit seriously because it's a duel with someone whose practically a child.
>>86090290
that was an oblivious and pointless statement

>>86089971
>>86090110
>They would probably train to get around that
Yes, by training cardio and using disguises.

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>>86085131
They're demonstrating half-swording techniques, various moves and their counters, straight out of an old C15th sword manual.

This clip is from the same group IIRC: longswords in a confined space - no harness, just arming jackets.