Blood Meridian

It's just kids getting raped and killed in a room by a big naked man with no hair painted white, balls swinging, kids crying for 2h.

>>85947023
The Judge looks like the engineers from Prometheus

Excellent book, except for the fact that they would never have been able to make gunpowder like that.

>>85947023
I'd begin the grueling task of learning to read ;_;

I feel like it would be best pulled off animated tbqh

>>85947072
fpbp

>>85947023
the kid/man is now a black woman

>Finally read it last month
>Edge: The book

No wonder it's so loved here.

>>85947183
the Judge is no longer totally bald - he now looks EXACTLY like Donald J Trump - it could even be a CGI clone like Liea in Rogue one.

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I'd set it during WWII, and instead of the Glanton Gang it would be a rogue SS unit massacring villages across Eastern Europe at will

>>85947359
Fuck, that's actually a pretty good idea. Hollywood would love it too

>>85947023
>the judge
John Goodman, like ending of Barton Fink Goodman
>glanton
Frank Grillo
>the kid
Some 14 year old
>toadvine
No idea
>the preacher (?)
Edward Norton

Hard to film blood meridian without expanding the dialogue to include constant exposition and motivation. Which ruins the book. You'd have more luck and success filming the border Trilogy.
>>85947130
>t. 19th century gun powder and guano expert

>>85947023
Cast Jake Paul as the kid

>>85947211
>Not understanding that many events in the novel are based on real events

>>85947661
>t.noguns faggot who doesn't even know the difference between black and smokeless powder

>>85947669
I don't care.

>>85947211
>contrarion: the post
Op: "WTF is this trash? There's not a single explosion and the judges superpowers were poorly defined."

>>85947359
>>85947582
WWII is overused. A Viet Cong unit, mercenaries in the Angolan Civil War, or the Kosovo War would be more interesting.

>>85947801
Let me guess, you whined about Doss kicking away the grenade in Hacksaw Ridge?

>>85947661
Pretty great casting choices right here. Personally always picture Glanton as a dark-haired Barry Pepper, but agree with everything else. Maybe throw in Josh Brolin for Toadvine and Tommy Lee Jones as Cpt. White

The beauty of the novel is within the sounds of the words, not the plot.

>>85947936
Nigga do you know who you fuckin' wit?
Ice cube is the lick, Westside is the click
Can't get enough of this gangsta shit

>>85947936
Hacksaw Ridge was a completely terrible movie but at least it didn't pretend to be edgy.

If they expect me to believe that he never fired a weapon while saving all those men though? No chance.

>>85947987
The plot was garbage that's why. The book may be beautifully written but that's meaningless.

>>85947987

This. The novel could have almost been about anything. People like it cause of the raw beauty of the writing.

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>>85947963
I like a Tommy Lee Jones cpt. White. I can picture his pickled head in a jar. Ben foster from 30 days of night for toadvine.
pic related

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>>85947884
I think it would work because the German perspective is still very rare, especially the SS specifically, in English-speaking media. It's also harder to identify with both the protagonists(?) and their victims if they and their settings are completely removed from the audience, ie southeast Asians or Africans, compared to the more familiar and emotionally charged European conflicts. A large-scale apocalyptic setting would work in a jungle but there are already tons of movies dealing with jungle villages being burned, especially in Vietnam.

>>85948160
Oh yeah, that'd be perfect for toadvine
>>85947987
That's why I feel it would work best as an animated film. Like a series of moving paintings

>>85948229
Both the eastern front and Vietnam are pretty underutilized. Both would require pretty large budgets and be pretty tough shoots, but both would also be fantastic

>>85947023
it would work better as a 6 hour film than a weekly episodic series desu

>>85947023
12 episodes an hour long.

>>85947359
Excellent idea for an adaptation. I think otherwise it would look to much like The Revenant at times.
>>85947884
Great follow up. I second the Angolan civil war. It's not as well known, way less used. And African wars are fucking brutal.

The tone would be similar to blood diamond. The style would be something akin to a Paul Verhoeven film in terms of displaying violence.

Director: Kathryn Bigelow. She doesn't shy away from violence.

Judge: ving raymes. The character is educated abroad and returns to Angola as a mercenary.

Glanton: josh brolin.

Tobin: Gary oldman. Not a priest but a former military Chaplin.

Toadvine: Idris Elba.

The kid: John Boyega. A former child soldier that escaped his captors.

I'm really not tied to any of the cast too much. So long as a few of them are black.

>>85948804
>Episode 1(double sized)
Kid's misadventures through chapters one and two and then his time in the army, ending with the massacre
>Episode 2
Begins with the kid crawling away from the massacre and ends with him joining the gang
>Episode 3
The gang's misadventures in Mexico
>Episode 4
Everything with the Yuma's
>Episode 5
The kid's evasion from the judge and post gang life
>Episode 6
The man

The movie would just be the revenant meets apocalypse now, not saying thats a bad thing but if you basically just ripped off both those movies itd turn out fine visually

>>85949375
>Director: Kathryn Bigelow.
lol stopped reading right there. bigelow is a propaganda promoter and not to mention a fucking woman. women dont understand literature

>>85949375
I thought you were simply giving it the liberal treatment. But, shit son, they'd never let you portray Africans as violently as a blood meridian adaptation would require.

>>85948045
>The book may be beautifully written but that's meaningless.
How the fuck is that meaningless if that's the entire purpose of the work you fag

Call me a pleb but I think after watching taboo Tom Hardy is the only person (at least that I can think of) who could pull off The Judge.

>>85947072
Why does he do it for? And why does it seem nobody cares?

Can someone explain the ending? Does the Kid rape and kill the bear girl? Is that why the Judge embraces him?

>>85949966
It is meaningless. Beauty is completely meaningless. It's the most meaningless thing in the world.

A beautiful letter, poem, painting, book, verse, artwork, woman, man, sculpture, timepiece, trinket, road network, weapon, speech, song, dress, concept, all of it is vanity and vanity is meaningless.

>>85949982
Not big enough 4u

>>85950058
I always thought The Judge rapes and kills them both but maybe I'm wrong.

>>85950058
Several children disappear or die while the kid is present throughout the book. The Judge also tells the kid he's the only one that's dishonest about his depravity. So yes my opinion is that the kid rapes and murders bear girl. The men that find her are shocked because child rape is the only taboo violence not already explored elsewhere in the story.

>>85950160
>all of it is vanity and vanity is meaningless
Both of these are completely baseless and wrong. Art exists and has meaning to everyone on the planet except people with debilitating autism.

>>85947130
It's a reference to Paradise Lost you cunt.

>>85950058
http://www.litcharts.com/lit/blood-meridian/chapter-23

>>85950160
You thinking it meaningless is meaningless. What isn't meaningless? That said people happen to enjoy beauty so who gives a fuck.

>>85949806
Nah man. I'm not a SJW but I'm not a /pol/tard either. Look if you're gonna make a movie about a war in Africa you need realism. If it was in Kosovo I would ask for serbs or slavs.

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I dare anyone to tell me he wouldn't be a P E R F E C T toadvine so that the rest of us can laugh at you.

>>85950393
that makeup is genuinely unsettling

>>85949783
The director is not the screen writer.

>>85950261
Vanity is meaningless. There's nothing to be gained from it at all. No knowledge, no wisdom, no nourishment. It's all just meaningless pursuit of surface attractions. And even then most knowledge is meaningless, and wisdom is often wasted on the undeserving, making it meaningless too.

>>85950325
Fucks are given for many meaningless things. This thread is living proof of that.

No soundtrack whatsoever.

>>85950485
she is an awful director

>>85950058
The Judge is the devil and he couldn't corrupt the man, who dared to defy him. The kid for that matter was an experiment in a sense and it didn't turn out like the Judge wanted, which is partially he killed the kid after he became the man, because the coin had fallen. There was no corrupting the man, he was better than the Judge, and he couldn't stand it. In a sense the kid was a rebel like himself, but he took his freedom and got right with god instead of trying to corrupt the creation through his persuit for more power. Like using your knowledge to make gun powder.

I think it would be cool if these songs were somehow incorporated into the ending credits.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Pale_Light_in_the_West

Idris Elba plays the Judge. He's so sexy.

>>85950548
pls explain. Genuinely curious to hear your rationale.

>>85950494
Wow guy you're really convincing
I guess all of life is a massive sham and good things just don't exist
Santa's not even real whoa

blood meridian is 368 pages. it doesn't need a miniseries.

>>85947023
The only thing I know exactly what I would want to do is use stop motion puppets similar to Laika and Fantastic Mr. Fox.

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>the only actor that could have pulled off judgekino is dead

So, who was everyone's favorite character? I liked Glanton and the Judge is generally enthralling.

It's hard to choose a favorite clnsidering they're all pieces of shit. Also whatever happened to Tobin the expriest? He just disappears.

>>85950739
I feel a water color-style animation would be more fitting. Give it the look and mood of a fever dream

>>85950748
He died. The judge tells the Kid in the last chapter that they're the only ones left

>>85949375
Michael Clarke Duncan could have been a perfect black Judge.

>>85950748
The Judge is the most interesting by far.

>>85950019
1. The Judge doesn't seem to be human
2. Why would anyone try to stop him
3. Because he can.

>>85947023
John Carroll Lynch is the only living Judge

>>85950748
Glanton easily was the most interesting in my opinion. As enthralling as the judge was, Glanton was so human yet monsterous at the same time, I could never put the book down when the focus was on him

>>85950838
I disagree totally. Not because of his skin color but because I don't think he could exude that atmosphere of evil.

>>85950838
I know. RIP.

>>85950743
Holy shit he would have been perfect.

>>85950568
>>85950504
I think a soundtrack would be doable if it were more ambient and less structured, but with a tone that fits the setting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pXp_XVEvKs
https://youtu.be/ng7gCBy81x4?t=452

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>>85950743

>>85950918
I agree with this guy. He'd feel like a angry gangsta not mad

>>85950838
He's black and the Judge is a bad guy. So he must be white.

>>85947023
William Friedkin could have pulled off a great Blood Meridian film in the 80s. I dunno about current Friedkin though. Bug and Killer Joe were good, but it's been a while since he pulled off a large scale film.

No one here ever believes I had an hour long discussion with Tommy Lee Jones in which we spoke about this. He said "I told them the screenplay would be the book"

>>85950582
propaganda machine

>>85950748
I liked Toadvine because he was more sympathetic than the others. Specifically when the gang is about to massacre the peaceful Indians, he's the only one who speaks up to Glanton, telling him they're harmless. It's a human element almost everyone else in the story is missing and contrasts heavily.

>>85950982
>they find a child the Judge murdered and ride out of town
>straight up surf rock bullshit starts playing

hahahahaha jesus fucking christ.

Something along the lines of Penderecki might fit with the bleak fire and brimstone mood of BM. It would be pretty tough to find a living composer capable of tackling it

>>85950913
I liked Glanton a lot too but people almost never talk about him. There was a part near the end where he was staring at the fire and it said he would drive the sun away if he had to

It reminded me of Ahab from Moby Dick

>>85951054
What happened, did he have a stroke at taco bell and the ambulance was stuck in traffic?

>>85951132
?
I didn't post the fucking Beach Boys you mongoloid

>>85950582
I'm not that anon and I wouldn't consider Bigelow an "awful" director, but she could never do Blood Meridian justice. She traffics in a type of "gritty" action that's still way too sterile for a work like BM. A good adaptation would not be an action movie.

Always saw Sam Rockwell as Toadvine

>>85950895

Agreed. The more I think of that casting the more I like it.

>>85951098
continue....

>>85951226
I just really want to know what happens inside your head that makes you think that second song you posted would be anything other than hilariously immersion breaking in a Blood Meridian adaptation. The first one isn't as much of an absurdly bad choice, but way too generic.

>>85951121
I also gained more respect for him when he didn't abandon the kid in the desert. He had a sense of loyalty that was missing from all others bar The Kid
>>85951167
That segment of him by the fire was one of my favorites, one of the few genuinely human moments in the story

>>85951054
Did he want to direct it?

>>85947072
I mean that does happen a few times, but I remember it being mostly about frontier landscapes.

>>85950019
The Judge is creating and documenting America and America will brook no weakness.

>>85950743
he would've been perfect, but alas

>>85951239
Sam Rockwell fits the bill for Toadvine. I used to think Joseph Gordon Levitt could play a good Toadvine if he could conjure up the side of himself you see in Hesher and Mysterious Skin, but the guy has gotten way too buttoned down and it seems like he could never accurately play that type of role again

>>85951229
Maybe. I feel like you need the sterility though. The action in the book is reported on like news. Just saying what happened. I feel like "dirtying" it would be like the director saying this is bad. The audience should figure that out themselves. But good point still. Any thoughts on a substitute?

>>85951401
Uh, fuck. I just realized America might be Pandemonium in that sense. Would explain the Paradise Lost angle.

In Paradise Lost Lucifer teaches the fallen angels how to make gun powder.

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>>85949375
A younger Keith David would have made a good African Judge. Maybe we can pump him full of roids.

Otherwise we can just give him a bit part as Jonas Savimbi

>>85951307
It's a brooding, dark piece with an unsettling drone and an acoustic guitar foreground that would fit in with the setting. Certainly it wouldn't fit in with the story's darkest moments but it wouldn't be out of place tonally at all. Calling it "surf rock" makes no sense.

>>85950982
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6z2mf0kjEP8
I always had this song in mind reading the comanache massacre and Yuma massacre scenes, but otherwise I agree

I call the Coen brothers and pass it off to them

>>85951473
The book paints a vivid image of a bleak, fiery world. The violence itself is handled matter of factly, but the imagery is grotesque and almost like a Bosch painting or something. Bigelow is not an artist.

>>85951564
>brooding
There's the problem. Blood Meridian isn't brooding, it's basically cosmic horror.

>>85951473
Not the guy you're replying to, but Fernando Meirelles. The Constant Gardener had a detached, dreamy perspective that would be great for the material.

The Judge should be a a fat-suit actor. The Kid should be believably a kid. It should be a miniseries, maybe 20 episodes?

>>85951690
Fair enough. I can still envision the kid wandering hopelessly through crimson landscapes to that song in my head though.
>>85951567
This piece would fit in flawlessly, shame it's already so famously used

>>85948045
>>85948046
I think you could make a stab at approximating it with the right kind of shots of landscapes and by focusing in on some of the Judge's more interesting monologues.

I'm thinking back to how True Detective S1 was shot.

Definitive casting

>The Kid
Unknown actor found through auditions in small shithole towns across America

>The Judge
John Carroll Lynch

>Toadvine
Walton Goggins

>Glanton
John Hawkes

>Captain White
Bill Camp

>David Brown
Eamon Farren

>Black Jackson
Erik LaRay Harvey

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/lit/ here, nobody on /tv/ has actually read this OP

>>85951567
I literally thought of this one too. Then I heard Penderecki's "Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima" and that seemed like a good fit, but then David Lynch snapped it up.

>>85951917
Holy shit Ethan Coen is that you?

>>85951853
Cary Fukunaga is one of the few current working directors who I think might have a shot at pulling it off t b h

>>85952019
Close! It's me, Etan Cohen, the writer of Tropic Thunder and Madagascar!

>>85951690
True, I've always liked her films but you're right. It would lack that element of art that the book managed to achieve.

>>85952047
How about George Miller? Make it colorful too.

>>85952135
idk if you're memeing but I just don't think Miller is capable of making something that's actually dark.

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>>85950743
Objectively the best and most based actor to ever live

>>85952237
Mad Max isn't dark?

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Are there any scenes just too horrific/complicated to be shot?
I'd say the mercury mules falling off the cliffs or the babies being smashed against rocks.

>>85951934
That's funny cause when I see BM threads on lit it's full of shitty copypastas and then the thread dies within 30 posts

>>85947149
thirdpbp

>>85950838
>>85950949
Michael Clarke Duncan was the worst actor alive, when he was alive. That you want to cast him in a role like the Judge... there are no words. It bothers me that people like you two are alive and walking among us. Please die in a car crash or something, today. Thank you

>>85952288
Mad Max, and I say this with the utmost respect and admiration for George Miller's skill at what he does, is cartoony. Actually the first one had a little more realism, but still far off from the tone of Blood Meridian.

Eric Lange? He's got the look but I'm not sure who he fits best.

>>85952306
drowning the puppies. I cry evertiem

>>85950743
Brando was redpilled, too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN17c2v2Vgk

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>>85952373
y r u dum?

Recast the entire thing with Strong Black Females.

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>>85952278
Oliver Reed begs to differ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvCh6bbSQDg

>>85951917
Pretty bad choice for white IMO, but otherwise good. Viggo Mortensen just came to mind as a good Glanton... if he were shorter

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>all these people who want more WW2 shit

So why was child of god shit?

>>85952547
I agree on Viggo. I thought of Camp as White mainly because he can play such a stable, calming authority figure that having him get totally blown over like in the book would be startling

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Even in our new millennium, at our highest point of achievement, America is a state that believes the poor and weak should die. I think Blood Meridian is a great depiction of this pathology in its antebellum roots and even modern liberals could find some appeal in its a theme that considers injustice endemic to the American experiment. What they won't be able to swallow is the unabashed racism, the nihilism, and the willingness to portray the violence from the endangered Comanches without the sort of modern context we generally apply to the Indian wars.

Ron Pearlman is not a line for line interpretation of the judge but he's the only actor who inspires a visceral reaction in a world were a vacant underwear model like jared leto can pass as an actor. The easy thing about McCarthy adaptations is the Coen brothers already gave you a blueprint of how to effectively adapt his prose: gut the soundtrack, remove his monologues, film with steadicam and edit unpretentiously. More on that last point...

The reason NCFOM beat There Will Be Blood at the Oscars was because No Country for Old Men was a film that was edited to move seamlessly between scenes--watch it with earphones on and you'll notice every scene has an L transition (the audio from the next scene comes in before the picture cuts). TWBB on the other hand just throws its bombastic writing and acting at the audience as if every scene is its own Oscar moment, and while the movie stands as great it's also attention seeking and maximalist--and McCarthy is a minimalist writer. Avoid oscar moments.

TL;DR I'd rather adapt Cormac McCarthy's Suttree, a half-memoir about a nihilistic college burnout who slums it up with negroes, transvestites, and criminals in 1950's Tennessee. If you look at a lot of white people right now that actually has some new relevance, and the book is insanely gross and funny.

>>85952743

Who is James Franco for 500 Alex

>>85952743
The movie or the book? I haven't read or seen either, but if we're talking the movie I can assume because of James Franco

>>85952047
>>85952135
If we're talking directors, prime Herzog would've been perfect too

>>85952803
I mentioned William Friedkin earlier in the thread, and basically rate both him and Herzog as the two directors who would have been ideal to direct three decades ago, but are kind of iffy now.

>>85952803
Who would Kinski play?

>>85952803
Herzog is shit at action to be honest and his stuff is too normal. I mean he's like a naturalist. Blood Meridian should be like a fever dream in a sense.

>>85953044
He'd play White Jackson and also put on blackface and play Black Jackson

>>85953123
i haven't stopped laughing

>>85952916
>Werner Herzog will never direct an adaptation of Blood Meridian starring Marlon Brando as the Judge and Kinski as Brown
Why even live

>>85953084
Lynch directs Blood Meridian

>>85953361
I love Lynch but it just wouldn't work

Will BM become a movie in our lifetime fellas?

>>85953643
I was joking

>>85947130
Oh really?

>The gunpowder was crucial. Stores were extremely low, to the point that Cortes had recently dispatched an emergency team under Francisco de Montano to the summit of Popocatepetl to obtain sulfur for fabricating gunpowder. Five bold Spaniards ascended the great volcano, and after casting lots for the "privilege," Montano was lowered by rope chain multiple times some four hundred feet into the mouth of the smoldering caldera, until he had harvested enough sulfur to make gunpowder for the crossbows and artillery, and amount that lasted until the end of the siege.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=jSfO7xFo3BIC&pg=PA303&lpg=PA303&dq=conquistadors+gunpowder+volcano&source=bl&ots=Nz0YS-8T-c&sig=zSO6vWodD7YcR6SoaYchhaHyv2w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjdnPS_z8HVAhWD3oMKHcYGBVsQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=conquistadors%20gunpowder%20volcano&f=false

Would HBO go as far as depicting the Commanches raping their dying enemies?

>>85953975
:^(

>>85954071
No. If we're being realistic, a good BM movie could not be made in the current film industry. It would require a budget that no studio would ever provide for a bleak, gruesome nightmare western with no female characters

>>85947023
Coppola in his golden years could have done it but it's too late

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>>85953643
>>85953975
Actually it could work. But no. Scorsese directs Blood Meridian

>>85954473
I think Apocalypse Now finished him off.

>>85948045
Muh Oscar Wilde

>>85947023
How does the border trilogy compare to this?

>>85947023
Very mediocre book. The HBO series would just be another boring copy pasta western , just like the book.

>hurr durr we hard cowboys
>hurr durr main character is a "middle of the road" guy
>hurr durr kill injans
>hurr durr look how harden we are
>hurr durr insert old americana mythos

>>85954867
>hurr durr aspect of the media in question

mccarthy: destroyed

well done

>>85954867
>Missing the point this hard

>>85947023
700 episodes, entire first season should just be a guy on a horse and no dialogue.

>>85953998
>gunpowder for crossbows

>>85955549
exploding bolts, just like in game of thrones

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John Hillcoat should direct it, 'The Proposition' was amazing and had similarish vibes to Blood Meridian. Too bad barely anyone has seen it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpiols1cGDM

>>85955345
this

>>85951054
I want to believe

I don't believe

>>85952783
I appreciate this post anon
As a matter of fact this is the best thread Ive seen on /tv/ for a while. Do a lot of thoughtful /lit/fags browse here?

>>85950262
how?