What are /tv/'s opinions on Man of Steel (2013)?

Before Batman v Superman came out this was the worst superhero movie of the 2010s.

>>85932780
Fpbp

>>85932780
Kek so true

Kino.

Before Batman v Superman came out this was the best superhero movie of the 2010s

>>85932780
you're right
it's a bad superhero movie
but that's because it's not a superhero movie
it's a mythological drama

>>85932697
its the best capeshit movie of all time.

>>85932697
its the Citizen Kane of our time

>>85932697
It is one of the greatest movies ever made. With out a doubt the best movie to come out in the last 10 years

I'd argue it was the best Superman ever made.
More importantly it was the best portrayal of the character superman.
Though out the past, Supes has been an extremely boring 1 dimentional character, never gave a shit about him.
Why?
Because he had no weaknesses, was too strong.. they had to even make some shit up (kriptonium) as a cheap way to make him beatable.

In man of steel they finally gave him a legit weakness - humanity.
Inner conflict, the type of guy who never hurt a fly.. a naive boy who can't save the world unless he kills someone, something a gentle guy like him can never do.

This carried over into what BvS did well.
They made batman the opposite, ruthless cunning willing to do anything.

>>85932780
they will race behind us, they will stumble, they will fall... but in time they will join us in the sun

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He's blessed us with kino.

>there will never be a better trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6DJcgm3wNY

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BvS made me love it. Or maybe I was just too harsh on it in 2013.

>how a Marlel evaluates a film:
>>85932780
>how a DChad evaluates a film:
>>85932914

>>85932780
It's not a superhero film. "Superman" isn't even in the title.

>>85933085
I appreciate the compliments, but Marvel's movie series is currently more interesting than DCs, they are still winning.
I can enjoy both, theyre different.

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>>85932914
Superman is by far the hardest superhero to put on film precisely because his seemingly indestructible nature. Snyder and Goyer decided to bind Superman to mankind and as such making him more vulnerable and human. Just look at the Terraforming scene and see how well it plays into the civilians extending a helping hand to each other. They are intertwined. Destiny of man with destiny of Superman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSjI7gwuKtg

This is my favorite scene in the entire genre. On both a figurative and literal level, Superman's ascension is beautiful.

>>85933327
I didn't bring it up.
And who gives a shit about picking teams based on what movies you happen to enjoy.
Fucking idiotic.

>>85933245
There has been nothing in ANY cbm that has come even close to this scene

>>85933245
Well shouting is the character development one gets in Snyder's flicks

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>>85933211
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>>85932825
>oscarlets on suicide watch

>>85933427
That scene is without dialogue. It tells Superman so well without a single line from Superman himself. You can SEE him without him having to tell you you what you should see. It's geniune.

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>>85933528
No. I gave man of steel many compliments.

DC fucked up, though.
They tried to rush to Justice league in order to keep up with marvel doing the avengers.
Stupid.
They should have done it at their own pace.

Anyone got a link to that one giant post that explained how kryptonians are able to hold massive objects without the object falling apart etc? I didn't have time to read it.

>>85933471
the flight scene always gives me goosebumps

>>85932780
THIS! It was EXTREMELY problematic with its white people, loving families, toxic masculinity, traditional values, etc. We as a society have progressed beyond these sorts of disgusting, bigoted movies.

Although Marvel movies still have the problem of oversaturation of white people, the feminized, weak beta males there make up for it. It causes the environment to feel safer, knowing that these men are respectful and would never say anything that would offend anyone. Even the villains are feminized enough that, though they are still evil, do not pose an existential threat to th audience. Man of Steel had two powerful, angry men fighting each other in a way that was far too masculine for modern audiences. I was appalled at how anyone could possibly like this movie! And worse, later came Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice. Don't even get me started on that one! I fainted over 10 times while watching that one!

>>85933629
That was a WB mandate though. Snyder wanted MoS2 before BvS. Still, he did everything he could to make it work and he did. BvS was a 10/10.

>>85933645
Why was it so long? It's just invisible bio-aura surrounding the object. Unless it's different in the DCEU.

>>85932697
I feel it could be a better film if it were told in a more straight forward way. The jump to a straight forward narrative in the last half really hurts it in the long run, it would have been better if the events in the film were linear

>>85934214
I wasn't placing blame, I was saying it was a bad move.
And bvs suffered because of it.

In all fairness bvs has aged well. I don't think it's terrible at all

Of the 4 films in the DCEU so far, it's the only one I've watched just once. I feel like it's the weakest for many reasons, but mainly it doesn't tie in to the other films particularly well, given the production development. Sure there's little nods here and there, but it could have been a self contained film, it just so happens to have spawned a shared universe, somewhat retroactively.

Because of this, I don't feel the need to rewatch it. Saying that, I enjoy the soundtrack on occasion, there are some fantastic themes present.

>>85932780
This but exactly the opposite

>>85932780
But /co/ said it was like muh playing with action figures when i was a babby so its good

>>85934496
BvS is a film I feel will have greater context when the DCEU is more established.

Like, the context for Cyborgs treatment will likely be known in JL, the Flash/Nightmare sequence is likely to be a tie in to Flashpoint, in JL we're meeting the enemy Luther was "communing" with, and it's likely in The Batman we're going to learn about the Mansion and the Robin suit.

BvS should accomplish what MoS didnt, but never really intended to kick off - It's going to be a kicking off point with branching plot points seen over the entire DCEU.

Genuinely a very good film. There are very few non-meme reasons to dislike it, and the few flaws I do find in the film are never mentioned here in favour of memes.

>>85934531
In some early interviews with Goyer he did say that they want to make Man of Steel the basis for the Justice League. Though I doubt it was as a cinematic universe and more probably in line with a trilogy. Which I definitely would've preferred over this cinematic universe shit.

>>85934628

Yeah I can definitely see that, but with the finished cut, these jumping off points are minor.

Like the little nods to Wayne Industries, the second capsule in the Kryptonian ship, etc. If Goyer were actually launching a Justice League film in the near future, I'd have liked to have seen him pull it off more effectively. If MoS had more of these references, BvS wouldn't have had to have been so forward with it

>>85934628
>BvS is a film I feel will have greater context when the DCEU is more established.

That may have been true before snyder left and his vision scrapped. Now we will get a justice film completely different to the one that was initially planned, especially now the cuck king has taken charge

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>>85934889
>mfw Amber Heard scenes are cut because her costume is problematic and Aquaman is turned into Thor 2.0

>>85932697
One of the few movies that i expected to like that i couldn't even finish.

And i'm usually not the type to not finish a movie. Even bad ones. I can't say that Man of Steel was BAD but i was just so bored by it.

>>85934889
Who's the cuck king?

>>85932697
The entire point of Superman is to inspire hope, and the movie sure as shit didn't do that.

Marvel movies are gay at times, but at least they get the characters right.

>>85935497
What marvel heroes inspire hope?

>>85935596
Cap america

>>85935596
What the fuck are you on about?

I said the point of SUPERMAN is to inspire hope. That's his schtick.

I didn't say that was every heroes schtick.

This movie wanted to look iconic but it's oh so bland and forgettable. It wanted to be epic but just became monotonous and boring. It wanted to look striking and cinematic and just comes across generic and ugly
But hey, for as shlocky and mind numbingly stupid as BvS was, at least this movie played it straight and treated its viewers like adults. It never goes as goofy as BvS did in a poor attempt to emulate Marvel's tone, making jokes about lol all superheros wear capes right after batman kicked a man into a grenade, paralyzed 2 others, stabbed someone and blew up another unrelated to the grenade

>>85935497
>spiderman's if this be my destiny scene replaced by Tony senpai.

>>85935683
exactly what was generic about MoS in it's genre?

>>85935497
This is about the birth of Superman. In the second part you see him becoming a beacon of hope to millions. But it is also greyed out with voices of those doubting and even hating him. I like that balance. It's not entirely that everyone loves him unconditionally. Real life heroes are never loved unanonimously.

>>85935740
The dbz anime tier battle in the end

>>85935683
>BvS did in a poor attempt to emulate Marvel's tone
BvS never did such thing. Absolute falsehood. Especially ironic when it's Marvel that based Civil War on mimicking the BvS teaser trailer.

>>85935779
no, that is something unique to MoS as far as I can tell. Other capeshit doesn't have people on an equal footing with godlike power battle it out.

>>85932780
nailed it

DBZ fight, Pa Kent's death scene, Superman not being the symbol of hope he is and fucking grey & blue filter makes this movie mediocre.Snyder is talented, you just need someone with a brain in charge of him.

>>85936096
>Superman not being the symbol of hope he is
He is in BvS.

>>85935744
Last I checked, Superman's character trait is that he always finds the better way. It's the staple of his character.

Snapping Zod's neck was the moment I realized "Oh, this isn't a Superman movie anymore. It's a Snyder shit piece".

Even in other heroes origin/beginning films, the dynamics of what makes that character shone through.

Not so in Man of Steel. It was such a shit movie, even the Lego Batman movie retconned it's ending by throwing Zod in the Phantom Zone instead, unironically being a better film than Man of Steel.

>>85932697

Shit reddit movie memed into oblivion only second to Fatman V Soupman

>>85933058
Are you even trying:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KdQ7Gig770

>>85936205
Kill yourself.

>>85933058
Zack sure can do trailers, he's not even afraid of calling himself a visionary director in the Watchmen trailer

shame about the movies themselves though

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>>85936355
The marlel seething

>>85936261
You're human garbage. MoS was a beautiful work of art, no one gives a shit what you think Superman "should be" you fucking spergy fatass.

>>85935497
MoS and BvS did. Superman was very inspirational.

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I hated the way Jon Kent's death was handled in the film. But other than that, it really is the best superhero film ever, definitely one of my favorite movies. Snyder gave Superman pathos, which is no easy task. Plus, the fight scenes were fantastic. I don't understand how "DBZ-style fighting" is a valid criticism, it's everything I've wanted out of a Superman movie.

>>85936765
I guess gods punching and throwing each other around with no real damage being done to either of them get's old really fast

remember evolution always wins but space jesus is stronger

I liked it

that montage about his dad made me cry like a bitch

Good looking without any substance. Just like every other Zack Snyder film.

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>>85936888
Speak for yourself, I loved it. And I loved how all the collateral damage Clark and Zod's fight caused tied into BvS. Just because you don't like something, doesn't mean it isn't good.

>>85936888
>no real damage being done
Gee, it's almost as if it was an artistic choice based on the lore. Both of them are invulnerable, remember? And when Superman's invulnerability was removed in BvS, he started getting damaged. I don't get why having consistent writing is seen as a negative these days.

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>>85936261
>Last I checked
Check again faggot. And this time clear out Kevin Feige cum obstructing the view. Superman isn't a Gary Sue. He's great but he can still do wrong. He's not all powerful or all good. He can do wrong even with the best intentions.

Sure in the world of Marvel, a good action always results in good consequences because the writers are basically children but that's not how reality works or even plausible fiction.

>>85932697
Great. Second best superhero movie behind BvS.

>>85937097
>Just because you don't like something, doesn't mean it isn't good.

I'm glad you enjoyed it but it doesn't make it good or interesting to watch, how many times can one watch a blockbuster with a same third act of destroying buildings and not get bored but I digress

I suppose all I can say is watch more films.

>>85937111

You're giving WB/Snyder the benefit of the doubt of writing MoS with BvS in mind while it was seen as an answer to all the mayhem caused and a saving face as opposed to a vision which you're reffering to

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It's been a while since I've seen it, but the whole thing just felt sterile to me. The characters were generally cold and somewhat disposable and even their relationships and interactions lacked a certain chemistry. The atmosphere I recall being deliberately made to look "darker", which just felt like manufactured "grit" that frankly didn't work for me as a Superman story. All of Superman's internal struggles also felt like they were delivered in a really heavy-handed fashion. Not a lot of subtlety, and with Superman being so god-like, subtlety in his character goes a long way towards making him relatable and making me care.

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>>85937382

>marlels still in denial over Man of Kino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p5-14rjWUM

I wonder if they have the attention span to watch a proper analysis.

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>>85936261
Answer honestly, did it upset you seeing Friendly Neighbourhood Spider-Man recruited as a mercenary by Iron Man and where he then proceeds to attempt manslaughter on innocent superheroes?

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>>85932780
Lol um no sweatie

Daily reminder that if your opposition to this film is "not muh subparman" then you're a plebbit fag and you should get the fuck out of here and end your fucking life

>>85932780
I still believe Man of Steel is worse than BvS and is one of the worst films I've ever seen.

>>85937661
Hello? Sad at lack of answer.

>>85932780
color filters: the movie

>>85936544
>>85937137
>>85937661
t. triggered shitskin fanboys
I love how you equate any criticism of Snyder's handling of a beloved character like Superman as being somehow pro-Marvel. I've always preferred DC comics to Marvel and I love the characters, Superman in particular. That is what makes Man of Steel and BvS so egregious -- they're hatchet jobs on the ultimate super hero in a way that is entirely masturbatory and self-serving towards a director's arrogant vision (or lack thereof).

>>85932697
Pretentious garbage.

>>85932780
t h i s

>>85932917
snyder's daugther is waiting for you in the sun anon

>>85933085
>dcuck
FTFY

>>85933551
>M-M-M-MUUHHH MAKKEE UPP !@!!!!

>>85932914
Superman aint a grumpy bald tho.

>>85933245
Snyderlet please kys, your trying too hard.

irredeemable filth -- it takes a Christopher Nolan to have Superman's earthly father suggest that young Clark Kent should let a schoolbus full of kids drown rather than reveal his superpowers, but it takes a Zack Snyder to encase General Zod inside a fullbody metallic dildo before sending him into the Phantom Zone. And it takes both of them to grossly exploit 9/11 imagery with all those collapsing skyscrapers.

>>85933076

Same. The scene on the mountain in particular made me totally re-evaluate the depiction of Jonathan Kent.

>>85935497
>but at least they get the characters right.

I don't think this statement holds after Doctor Strange and Spider-Man Homecoming.

>>85935497
>Marvel movies are gay at times, but at least they get the characters right.

They don't. They change them.

>>85933471
kino

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>>85934889
Has anyone or Snyder actually confirmed that he was leaving the DCEU? Or are people assuming this because that's what they want?

>>85945118
The only evidence that makes it seem plausible is that Snyder removed the JL background from his Twitter. I really hope they didn't do anything bad to him.

>>85941964

Superman killed Zod, Doomsday, Darkseid and a bunch of other villains in the comics. Darkseid murder was even written by Morrison, the writer which /co/ faggots usually recall to show how the "proper Superman" always find a way.

>>85945678
He still posts btw pics from MOS and BvS though. Plus the support he gets from his actors says otherwise too

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As someone who hated it at first, it really grew on me as soon as I saw the same retarded pattern with MCU movies.

Also the pottery. People slam on it, but no one really sees it right away. It's not "deep", but something on a second viewing goes "ok, yeah, I get that" and makes the cinematography much more appreciable.

That and I always liked young Superman.

Maybe it's because I grew up in Iowa, and believe in Midwestern values from being around farmers.

No one will ever top Rosembaum and Glover for THE BEST Luthors ever.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p5-14rjWUM

It is the only good DCEU movie.

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>>85932697
It made me like Superman.

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>>85943967
>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/thor-teaser-trailer-make-a-wish_us_598338c4e4b00f0084ae5f9f
Only a Guatemarvelan would enjoy a flick literally written by kids with cancer

>>85946213
I loved MoS and BvS but my preferred Superman is Silver Age. People who go "not muh" are just finding an excuse to hate the movies. There are many different versions, even from the same age of comics, due to the writer differences.

>>85948240
people who "not muh superman" because of MoS never read a superman comic book.

>>85932697
Top 2 capeshit film for me, only beaten by iron man 1 just because of how unnecessary long the movie is. All the lois scenes could be cut short same with his flashbacks.

I loved how sci fi it is, add in hans zimmer soundtrack and its just godlike

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h9E5SmLCVM

>>85932697

Man that's some beautiful imagery in a very shitty movie.

>>85932914
Previous Superman stories did that, except much better.

>>85948623
The worst offenders are actually people who read ONE comic (eg All Star Superman) and then think they are experts on the character. You can find them easily by pointing out references to comics in the movie that they rage about and yell "it's not the same because it doesn't have the exact same context!" every time. These are the types of people who say Nolan's Batman is "exactly like the comics."

>>85937661
>innocent superheroes
>Bucky
You're trying too hard.

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>>85932697
One of the two smartest CMBs ever made.

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>>85949129
His point still stands idiot

>>85932697

I thought it was a damned solid film. It's not going to be one of my favorite hero/cape films, simply because Supes is never going to be one of my favorite heroes. Still, it was a decent story, well made, I like Cavill just fine....it was a good film. I think it was done about as well as a Superman (one of the most boring and overpowered heroes ever) film can be done.

Boring. Superman Returns was better.

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Superman would never snap the neck of an enemy

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>>85932780
I hate MoS but that's just wrong.

>>85951333
I bet your mom broke her back when she tried you lift your fat NEET virgin ass off the couch you weeb jap cuck

>>85951333
He killed Zod and two other Kryptonian criminals in the comics, in very similar circumstances.

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>>85936261
>find another way in a realistic world where no prison could possible hold zod, not like anything superman can say will stop him
Literally the only choice, but keep trying to use "muh superman" on a movie that love or hate it at least tries to back superman in a corner and make him do choices that, whatever you feel about them, come to make him who he is.
Superman LITERALLY agonizes, screams even, that he killed a man. Breath of fresh air in a world where superheros kill people faster than they can quip.

>>85946844
Watching this video now. I am even more convinced MoS is a true Kino that the masses just don't understand.

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>>85936261
>>85941964
>>85949035

i love how 'space jesus' 'not muh' is saying these movies are bad because the man fails to live up to some impossible ideal that completely guarantees meaning and the avoidance of suffering
this is literally the exact same structure of certain mass social phenomenon........

>>85936261
>>85951333
i like how everyone is so worried about the fact that he killed someone but not the fact that he killed an unstoppable demigod who promised mass homicide
what an asshole

I think I noticed today that Kryptonians already know their strength isn't a purely physical thing.

>>85941536
you're retarded, there isnt a single color filter used


learn what grading is you pleb

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>>85944485
>>85933076
same bros, same

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>>85951333
>>85936261
he kills Zod in the comics though, and he has killed others too.

You guys are casuals

>>85932697
Utter trash.

>>85932780
I'd agree with this, if MoS didn't turn me off from the DCEU and I therefore refused to see Suicide Squade, BvS, or WW

>>85946844
someone already posted this itt pajeet and noone cared

>>85932697
it was trash. snyder clearly demonstrates that he doesn't understand superman as a character, and how could he? he's an objectivist.

>>85957608
You just proved to me that you don't understand Superman.

>>85948240
>finding an excuse to hate the movies
Why do you struggle with the concept that people just might not like something that you like? You could apply the same logic to you. You're just 'finding an excuse to love the movies'.

The only thing close to a great superhero movie, at least in the 2010's.

Most complaints I see against it are basically just capeshit comic book manchildren whining

>>85937137
Damn, Peace on Earth is fucking good.