/who/ - Doctor Who General

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>>85906048

first for legs

are the 8th doctor novels any good

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Only true fans ITT

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How do you go from this

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Would Yeezy make the best Doctor since 10, /who/?

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>>85906129
To this

>>85906136
i want 13 to wear OG x1rs

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Reposting from end of last thread

>there will never be a sequence as unbelievably, ballistically K I N O as the cliffhanger to The Pandorica Opens, EVER again, EVER
>the slow mo kicking in as the entire plot falls into place, beautiful melancholy photography that somehow makes the shit monster costumes look profound
>the swelling, gentle music contrasting with the horror (Who putting on a 'prestige television' act and pulling it off flawlessly)
>the weaving together of the Doctor being sealed in, the TARDIS exploding, and Amy dying, timed at the perfect moments
>the final zoom out from Amy and Rory all the way to the Earth, surrounded by exploding galaxies, which slowly disappear
And the best, tiny detail that still wows me every time
>that fucked up eerie ambient sound that's playing right at the final seconds, which ABRUPTLY CUTS OFF and is replaced by silence

Rewatching it, it's jaw dropping that something that narratively and stylistically ambitious was actually achieved in this shambles of a show. Probably the only competitor in all of NuWho, for a moment quite that dense with sophistication and verve, would be the breaking the wall scene - and even that isn't juggling quite as many balls as this one does. Fuck my socks off we were lucky to get this.

>>85906188
it was alright i guess

>>85906182
I want 13 to have a stylist influence like 12 did with Bowie. Hopefully a nudist but still interesting to think about

>>85906129
>>85906176
>Michael Grade

>>85906188
Too bad the second episode was shit

>>85906129
>>85906176
Willing to do requests as well if anyone gives a shit.

>>85906176
Someone was exercising his fetish.

>>85906129
Everything's more kino in black and white.

>tfw no B&W NuWho episode

>>85906188

literally, unironically, the YANA reveal was better.

>>85906188
that episode should have been the show's final episode

>>85906294
The S8 leaks are about as close as you'll get

>>85906285
Androzani part 4 maybe?

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>>85906355

Doctor Who is dead.

>>85906316
If you're going to end the whole show, at least end it on an episode written with that in mind, rather than one which is deliberately set up to be continued next week.

>>85906115
I fucking love Doctor Who even the bad episodes like Love & Monsters. Sue me.

>>85906303
Good but messy and reliant on the viewer being too stunned by the one twist to process anything other than sound and fury. Nowhere near Pandorica in concept or execution. At most it might have 'got you more hype' while not actually being a greater piece of craftsmanship.

>>85906624
Then you're not a true fan

I wish Simm had shown up earlier in the season in a different disguise, but we never have it confirmed that he was the Master in the episode. They could've credited him with an anagram like they used to for Ainley.

>>85906681
And why, pray tell, would true fans hate their favorite show?

>>85906303
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI_RB2URZPY
>WHAT DID HE SAAAHYYY?
it has nothing on the Pandorica cliffhanger

>>85906723
Because they love a show enough to see the flaws and not take everything at face value.

>>85906723
The core truth is that Doctor Who is 100% shit and a true fan understands the show deeply enough to realise this

>>85906093
gee, stuning

>>85906843
What makes the show shit, pray tell?

I never watched it, but I heard good shit from colleagues and other chans.

>>85906831
That doesn't really sound like hate to be honest.

>>85906808
>that loop of music that's playing from 3:30 all the way to the end of that clip
jesus christ

>>85906904
Oh you never watched it? Ignore us then, it's great.

It only becomes shit once you become a true fan.

>>85906808
its literally better.

>>85906904
>That doesn't really sound like hate to be honest.
Since you've never watched the show you don't know the amount of flaws the show actually has.

>>85906808
I always got the implication that they never found Utopia because The Master fucked them over.

>>85906624
>Love & Monsters
>bad episode
??????????

>>85907537
I don't know, I think it's more in line with RTD's bleak vision for Utopia to have never actually existed at all.

>>85907637
Ashildr should have been in Utopia

>>85906268
this

>>85907778
something else

>>85906677
>>85906808
The ending of Pandorica is kino but I just love the ending of Utopia so much, the last ten minutes of it are my favorite scene from DW period. The way the music and everything comes together with the desperation in Tennant's voice, The Master leaving them for dead, all kino

call me a tenfag all you want I don't care I just adore that finale even last of the time lords

nobody replied to my comment so im assuming the general response to the 8th doctor novels is neutral

>>85908026
Eh. There are some really good ones. But in general they're less popular than the VNAs and for good reason.

>>85908063
Ah, okay. Fair enough. Thank you anyway! I might give them a try just for the hell of it, but at least I won't go in expecting much, so I can't be disappointed.

>>85907537
I thought Utopia was something the Master retroactively set up in a bootstrap paradox sort of way

>tfw NuWho has had 10 finales and the twist at the end of three of their first parts has been that someone is actually the Master

>>85908244
>implying that's any different from a good chunk of classic who

>>85908233
Yeah I remember this but I don't think they ever actually said it in the episodes

>>85908244
and i wouldnt have it any other way.

For the anon who asked who would be good for a transwoman, any Doctor will do. But wasn't I asked this, for someone writing an "Alice" story? Featuring 13?

>>85908026
Any 8th Dr novel written by:

>Kate Orman

>Lawrence Miles

>Lance Parkin

>Lloyd Rose

will be good. The rest varies.

>>85908438
Yeah same desu. Every episode with the Master I eat up

>>85908244
>RTD wrote 4 finales (5 if you count The End of Time) and the reveal in three of their first parts has been that it's the Daleks

>>85908703
>implying that's any different from a good chunk of classic who

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>Need stories for Tenth Doctor and War Doctor

>Also want one more story for both First Doctor and Third Doctor, as well as Seventh Doctor

>Bill Potts needs more stories

>More Thirteenth Doctor stories are always welcome

Torchwood, Sarah Jane Adventures, K9, and Class stories are welcome, along with any other anthology.

And the deadline is now August 14th!

>>85908857
Dalek Kek here, writing a tenth doctor story as we speak

>>85908703
>RTD wrote (5 if you count The End of Time) and the reveal in all of those parts the Doctor has been in it

>>85908908
>RTD wrote (15 if you count Shorts he directed with ecclestone) and the reveal in all of those parts the Doctor has been in it

No shitposting, how do you guys think Chibnall will do? I think he has potential, but I'm worried by the fact that I know he'll slip in more SJW shit than Moff did, and most of his episodes are pretty shite

and yes I know saying no shitposting ensures a steady stream of shitposting

>>85909771

As long as he doesnt absolutely shove political shit into it i wont really care. just hope the show doesnt die desu

>>85909842
It can't be worse than the episodes which tries to tell people that they have to accept their kids being blown up by terrorist attacks

>>85909902
What about how they said all of recorded history was whitey lying and London was really 50% nlack in 1814?

https://twitter.com/MrCThomson/status/893429967182344192
This is fucking GOAT

Still butthurt the Doctor is going to be a woman, tbvqh, lads. Every single incarnation has been a man and all of them portrayed the character as it was meant to be. Even when the scripts got shit and the storylines had shoehorned bullshit the sole thing you could rely on was the Doctor would shine in it, and now even that is being tampered with.

May as well paint the TARDIS in pride colours now.

>>85910037
or in the same episode when the doctor punches a guy for behaving exactly like literally every other person in england at the time.

>>85909842
Judging by series 10 (and really all TV and movies at the moment), he most likely will, sadly. And the even sadder part is this will stop the show from getting canceled because of normies

>>85910037
You know that's not what he said, we just had this discussion in the last general

>>85910126
>May as well paint the TARDIS in pride colours now.

would not be surprised if this happens for an episode in the near future

>>85909771
His episodes have issues. But his concepts are good, and most of his Who eps never had enough time to shine. Power of Three has a great first half, despie the script problems at the end. 42 is perfectly serviceable (and the Martha phonecall to her mum is wonderful.) Dinosaurs, for all its possible faults, has one of the darkest endings ever (the Doctor allows an unarmed human enemy to die, apparently just out of pure disgust).

Unshackled, and with that alleged writing room, he might do wonders. And I haven't even mentioned about the 13th Doctor yet. He knows how much of a firecracker that topic will be, and he clearly has an idea on how to handle it.

>>85909902
What that episode was saying was that if we do useless revenge on people who commit attacks, without at least understanding the factors that created situations like that, the cycle of violence will continue.

>>85910126
What makes you think a female actor wouldn't be able to "portray the character as it was meant to be"?

>>85910158
I wasn't here last thread, and he literally said "history is a whitewash". I can go get the transcript if your memory is this bad.

>>85910176
>>85910126
The TARDIS was painted pink in Paradise Towers. This show has always been left-wingish.

>>85910206
This was discussed last thread. Check that discussion out.

>>85910190
Because the chsracter has never been portrayed by a female before and 55 years of the same is habit forming.
Not to mention the fact this is obviously being done to make people butthurt and thus stoke up controversy, and with that viewers.

>>85910237
>This show has always been left-wingish.
There's "left-wingish" and then there's saying all of history is white propaganda and that all of Europe has always been 50% ethnic minorities.

>>85910206
I know what he said. He did not, however, say that London was 50% black.

>>85910144
Or that episode where that one victorian soldier apparently had no issue whatsoever with the idea of a black policeman but couldn't fathom a policeWOMAN

Like, what was that scene even supposed to say? That had the companion been a black man he wouldn't have had issue with it? Was this the BBC trying to pretend racism has never existed or not allowing them to show historical racism or what?

>>85910180
tell that to all the humans that died while all the zygons got away with everything
also
>lol it's the 15th time we reached this stalemate

>>85910237
There's a difference between being left-wing and bashing men and white people at every opportunity

>>85910316
I'm not quoting exact percentages here, as you're the sort of retard who will say "Heh, it's only 49% ethnic minority, you lose drumpfkin!", but roughly half of the extras were ethnic minoroties, and the Doctor confirmed this was REAL history and that the 100% white London we've been told existed in the 19th century was a lie.

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>>85910248
>Not to mention the fact this is obviously being done to make people butthurt and thus stoke up controversy, and with that viewers.
Show me proof.
Also, >by a female
I don't suppose you happen to resemble anyone in this photo

>>85910443
>Show me proof.
How about all the controversy this has caused and the literal showrunned saying there's been a press/media debacle following it?

>>85910037
>>85910126
>>85910436
>it's an "exaggerate a single line to make it seem like the media is run by SJWs" episode

>>85910480
That doesn't mean that was the point of the casting you numbskull

>>85910544
Yes, as we all know the BBC are a right wing desth squad. Definately no one in there trying to force progressivism.

By the way, you do know the BBC is currently having a gay season, to celebrate 50 years of legal sodomy, right?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05797th

>>85910359
Not every Victorian white man was racist, just like not every American Southerner is racist. And it's not far-fetched that a white man who has worked with a black man soldier, might feel more comfortable working with a black man, than with a black woman.

>>85910436
Wasn't that specific time in history (the freeze) when a number of races and classes mixed?

>>85910397
>>85910287
History isn't white propaganda. But white people do tend to write the history books, and when they come up with historical films, and historical tv shows, and historical retrospectives, they do sometimes over-exaggerate how many white people were in an area. If there was majority black people making films and books, history would be a blackwash; no white person intentionally did this. It's just an accident of human nature.

>>85910583
Yes, I bet it didn't even cross their minds.

>>85910626
I didn't know, but thanks for telling me. I was actually looking for something to watch

>>85910637
>Wasn't that specific time in history (the freeze) when a number of races and classes mixed?
No.

Sure, there may be the odd negro slav- "indentured servant" there, but the show depicted them making up roughly half of the people and showed them as aristocrats, soldiers, and as other professionals, something they certainly would not be in London, if anywhere in the timeframe.

It was a blackwash.

>>85910706
Aah, yes, the smug irreverence, the hallmark of the redditor. You're utterly wrong, lad, the BBC are entirely "ess jay dubyahs" as you refer to them.

>>85910144
but the dude was saying that shit in front of bill

>>85910760
fuck, do you realize how ridiculous you sound? "hallmark of a redditor". Fuck me, how am I supposed to take you seriously when you sound like a thirteen year old that doesn't like someone else's internet club

>>85910637
>no white person intentionally did this
So you're saying they were making an episode set in 1814 London, and they just happened to make the cast 50% ethnic minorities? And they just happened to reference it, saying history was a whitewash?

Tell me how that works in your head, do they have some sort of automatic script writer process? How the hell do you incidentally make the cast 50% ethnic minority in an era where that wasn't the case and then incidentally reference it?

>>85910835
How am I supposed to take you seriously when you don't care that you sound like a circlejerking retard happy to go along with the hivemind and never form an opinion of his own?

>>85910881
You should really look into a mirror, m8. You're the one who accused the BBC of actively pushing a leftist agenda.

>>85910637
I don't mind including more people of color in movies and TV, I know that there were a lot more race mixing going on back then than we see in the history books, but that's not what I was talking about. If you look at The Family of Blood, the one woman who Tennant fell in love with was being racist towards Martha, but that sadly would be expected of someone back then so they made it a commentary on the time period, but ten years late we see a character being racist to Bill and the Doctor punches him in the face, demonizing white people

>>85910849
You realize that writers and casting directors are two separate entities, yes?

>>85910954
And I proved it by showing they're currently celebrating gay pride. You're the one who shrugged it off because he didn't like the truth,

>>85910711
>showed them as aristocrats, soldiers, and as other professionals, something they certainly would not be in London, if anywhere in the timeframe

>Pablo Fanque

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pablo_Fanque

>Pablo Fanque (born William Darby 30 March 1810 in Norwich,[1] England; died 4 May 1871 in Stockport, England) was an English equestrian performer and circus proprietor, the first non-white British circus owner in Britain. His circus was the most popular in Victorian Britain for 30 years,[2][3][4] a period that is regarded as the golden age of the circus

>William Davidson (1781–1820) was a British African-Caribbean radical executed for his role in the Cato Street Conspiracy against Lord Liverpool's government in 1820.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Davidson_(conspirator)

>Nathaniel Wells (10 September 1779 – 13 May 1852), was the son of a Welsh merchant and a black slave. After inheriting his father's plantations, Wells became a wealthy land owner, magistrate, the second black person to hold a commission in the Armed Forces of the Crown (after Captain John Perkins). He was also Britain's first black High Sheriff.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Wells

>William Cuffay

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Cuffay

>William was a Chartist. Chartism was a working-class movement for political reform in Britain that existed from 1838 to 1857

Now, was every black person in London high-class? No. But let's not say no black person ever was.

Also, SJW issues aside, it'd be cool to see these people in a Who historical.

>>85910849
I'm saying no white person ever "whitewashed" history on purpose--that just happened from human nature.

>>85910998
If it was one or the other (Either the casting of 50% ethnic minorities or the whitewash line) then that would be understandable, but the episode was deliberatley written with the idea it would be "diverse", otherwise they wouldn't have had the whitewash line.

>>85911005
>the first non-white British circus owner in Britain.
>born 1810
>episode set in 1814
You're literally proving my point.

>Also, SJW issues aside, it'd be cool to see these people in a Who historical.
It'd be cool to see historical people, whatever colour, if yhey want to devout an episode to Mansa Musa I'll applaud itl but making London 50% ethnic minority is historical revisionism, the sort of thing you see in 1984.
"London was always black"

>>85911072
I guess I just don't understand your difficulty with a properly diverse view of history

>>85911152
Well, London was founded by rome, and Rome had black people too, despite what you like to think, so...

>>85911155
Because it's false history? If I made Africa 50% white, Asian, Indian, etcetera in 1814 it would also be lying bullshit.

Only you wouldn't be cheering it on, because your sole motivation here is "fuck whitey".

>>85911152
Actually, you did get me there. But I would like to know:where are you getting that "50%" number from?

>>85911195
>Rome had black people
Very very few, and almost exclusively slaves. Egyptians, Carthaginians, Cyrenaicans, and Phoenecians of the time, the people who inhabited Roman Africa were not black, the only time a black would come to Rome was as a slave from Nubia or Mali.

>>85911218
centres of trade will always be more diverse than anywhere else. it'd be inaccurate to go out to the middle of africa around that time period and find a diverse range of people living there, because the middle of africa wasn't where people converged from all over the world to trade goods. a place like london was.

>>85911218
>If I made Africa 50% white, Asian, Indian, etcetera in 1814 it would also be lying bullshit.
It would, though at that point Europe had started colonizing Africa, so thanks to the slave trade and trade in general, it wasn't solely black people any more.

And you don't know what my motivation is. It was to try and clarify the historical accuracy of a Doctor Who episode, though more and more it's becoming not "fuck whitey", but fuck you, personally

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>>85911232
See >>85910436
Look at pic related, from the episode, 5 non whites, 4 whites.

Let's not quarrel about exact percentages, roughly half were non white, you can't refute that.

>people still defending the black female pope scene

>>85911346
>Let's not quarrel about exact percentages, roughly half were non white, you can't refute that.
>Roughly half were non white in my cherry picked screenshot, stop arguing with me!

>>85911298
>>85911325
For fucks sake, that wasn't how empire worked, lads. White people brought spices back from India, the Caribbean, and other such places in ships, this idea that black people came to London to "sell their wares" is absolute retardation, unless you believe black people swam the entire Atlantic ocean by themselves to get to London.

Actually, I shouldn't have said that, you probably do think that.

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reminder it is canon that courtney will be president of the united states

>>85911438
I was referring to the presence of non black people in Africa, actually, not the presence of black people in london.

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Remember that episode where The Master kept a family kept a family of niggers as his personal slaves?

>>85911393
>in my cherry picked screenshot
Literally the first crowd shot I got from googling, here's another. If you can find a list of extras and their race don't hesitate to prove me wrong.

>>85911505
did you have a stroke halfway through typing that

>>85911498
And even that would be wrong, outside of tiny holdings in West Africa and the Cape colony. The scramble for Africa didn't start until 1881, before that it was 90% self rule.

>>85911550
The niggers were late with my aspirin.

>>85911594
>it's an "I'm edgy look at me use bad words" episode

>>85911644
>it's an "Im being a newfag and no one can stop me" episode

>>85911644
>getting offended by words
>on 4chan
woah

>people actually thought the Christmas special would be called "The Doctors"

>>85911443
Hold up when did they say this? Is this from one of the many scenes in Kill the Moon I try to erase from memory?

>>85911443
Literally who

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>tfw the special couldn't be called "The Two Doctors" because there was already a Pie Lord serial with that name

>be moffat
>write "i know this face" scene into deep breath so i can write an episode about it and look really clever that i planned it all out from the start
>do literally nothing with it
BRAVO MOFFAT
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>>85911813
>do literally nothing with it
>what is the girl who died

>>85911813
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7qx-0lvC18

>>85911836
>an absolute waste

Found out about this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_Sancho

>>85911518
Please provide the screenshot.

And from my research, there were 10,000 black people living in Britain. It seems like although they were probably scarce in Britain oerall, in hub cities like London, the black community formed a small but sizable community.

>>85911878
>literally nothing
>literally does something
hmm

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>Moffat missed the opportunity to call the Christmas Special "Thirteen" since 12+1=13 and it features the 1st appearance by the 13th doctor

wew lads

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I want Mel to lay on top of me and eskimo kiss me.

>>85911986
that is a fucking shite pretentious title
might as well kill yourself honestly

>>85912054
If I killed myself dishonestly, would I die?

It

would

be

extremely

Painful

You're

a

twat

Shit Trips 2 entries, anyway?

>>85912019

>Reminder Bonnie Langford did some singing

I unironically like this song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_KM0govLNM

Fuck

>>85912587
She's like an '80s Clala.
Is this perfection?

>>85912587
Didn't she sing total eclipse of the heart?

>>85906188
Why do you allow yourself to be impressed by crypto-fascist bombast?

>>85912587
hnnnngnggg

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>>85912662
Because it's the closest we'll get to real fascism.
>tfw no episode where the Doctor helps Mosley win

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>2013: tumblr gets triggered by the reveal of an old white guy playing the Doctor
>2017: /pol/ gets triggered by the reveal of a white woman playing the Doctor

Is there a name for this phenomenon?

>>85912899
>Is there a name for this phenomenon?
funny

>>85912899
Poetic justice? Irony?

>>85912899
Hegelian theory of synthesis.

>>85911393
Cherry picked screenshot doesnt work when discussing film anon... this shot isnt a random one from real life, it's one a director set up.

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>>85912899
Idiocy

>>85907049
So? Every sci-fi show including Star Trek has flaws.

I can expected a show that essentially continued on throughout five decades to have a lot of flaws.

A friend told me there was once a rule where the main character couldn't ever return to a specific time period he visited. Is this true?

>>85912754
Poor show, anon.

>>85913532
There are no rules in Doctor Who, they randomly change whatever shit they like.

>>85913583
Regeneration is a reoccurring thing though so that is kind of like a rule. I'm sure there are established rules regarding that. Is it basically like reincarnation? That is what I heard.

>>85913156
Why? Who would actually complain about this that actually have any power?

>>85913650
>that actually have any power

Fuckwits on social media that will be upset by literally anything.

>>85913551
How so?

>>85913679
They are still upset about a female Doctor and that hasn't stopped BBC from not cancelling the show.

>>85913727
How is this in any way related to the screencap?

>>85913532
>A friend told me there was once a rule where the main character couldn't ever return to a specific time period he visited
I assume they were talking about a thing that was basically an excuse to write out a character.
So yeah that did happen, but it's not an actual rule. Just a one time thing. The other anon is right, there are pretty much no rules in Doctor Who

I want an episode where the Timelords go back to being cunts to the Doctor.

>>85913762
Did that exist because they never thought there would be a second, third, or fourth Doctor?

>>85913762
Didn't that get fixed in Mysterio?

>>85913805
Seeing as how it happened in 2012, no I don't think so.

>>85913805
Oh no it was quite recent, happened only a few years ago.
I'm sure at some point in the future he'll just go back and whoever the writer is will handwave it away
>>85913839
Did it? How so? Or are we just assuming that it's been fixed because he went back there

>>85913839
This person mentioned this "rule" occurred in the very early days of the series around Hartnell or Troughton's time. Their first Doctor they said was Tom Baker.

>>85913898
Ah, then I'm talking about something else and have no idea what they're talking about.
I'm not very well versed in classic who compared to new who

>>85913879
DOCTOR: Well, in terms that you would understand? Sorry, there aren't any. It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a time-distortion equaliser thingy.
YOUNG GRANT: A what?
DOCTOR: Well, there's been a lot of localised disruption here in New York, so, er, my fault, actually. Hopefully this will make it all calm down.

>>85913898
I've watched the majority of classic who and I have absolutely no idea what they were talking about.

>>85914032
Oh yeah, I completely forgot about that scene

I think he just means about him not being able to cross his own timestream, lads.

>>85914138
That wasn't mentioned that early on was it? The anon seems to be describing a very specific thing.

>>85914130
>accidentally hit tab then enter so instead of going to a new line I posted it
But didn't the kid swallow the crystal? So the machine couldn't turn on?
Either way I don't mind, I'm fine if thats the handwavey explanation we get for any future episodes set in New York in the past

>>85914138
yet he does it anyway, the absolute madman

>>85914187
I think it's always been a thing in every time travel thing ever, don't fuck yourself as a virgin because then you'll always be a virgin because technically it's just advanced masturbation.

>>85914032
>DOCTOR: Well, in terms that you would understand? Sorry, there aren't any. It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a time-distortion equaliser thingy.
>YOUNG GRANT: A what?
>DOCTOR: Well, there's been a lot of localised disruption here in New York, so, er, my fault, actually. Hopefully this will make it all calm down.

He was doing that to undo the fixed point in time and visit Amy and Rory, wasn't he?

>>85914213
The Doctor probably fixed it later anyway

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L E G S
E
G
S

>>85914285
why do her knees face inwards but her feet face outward like that

Anyone know where I can get a copy of Wartime?

>>85914504
Post that welsh slag from the gelth episode.

>>85914584
That's not the welsh slag from the gelth episode.

>>85914618
just watch torchwood dude.

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WHERE THE FUCK IS HE?! WHERE IS THAT FUCKING SACK OF SHIT! I heard that a few threads back you were talking shit! Well I'm here now mother fucker! Cmon! Fucking say this shit to my face! I swear to god that I will FUCK YOU UP and everything you hold dear! Be a fucking man! You think I have no principles? Is that it? HUH! HUH MOTHER FUCKER! FUCK YOU I'LL KNOCK YOUR DICK DOWN! I don't care what you say. So come out your Doctor WHo loving faggot! COME ONE AND SAY IT TO MY FACE YOU CUM GUZZLING BITCH!

>>85915102
How retarded do you have to be to think this is funny?

>>85915253
>He doesn't know

>>85915268
>le trying to force a meme so pretend anyone who doesnt agree is new meme

>>85914265
That's sweet. I like when the Doctor shows that s/he still cares about previous companions.

>>85914889
What is this meme, cats?

>>85915102
>>85915253
>>85915268
>>85915311

Stop talking to yourself.
>inb4 fake screencap

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Why is this a thing?

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>>85915421
Why would anyone in their right mind fake that conversation?

>>85915525
Stop trying to make drama and talk about Doctor Who. No one cares about your fake bullshit dude.

>>85915638
>yfw you realise that its the same person as the original post

Wew, you almost had me there for a minute.

>>85915703
Why are you doing this?

>>85915755
Why are you doing it? You're the one that started it with >>85915102

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It's another /who/ is so dead one person talks to themselves episode.

>>85915854
Why would someone talk to themselves about random shit just because a thread is dead?

Is it just that hard for you to believe some dumbass would post something retarded, someone would call them out on it, and the other person would continue their retardation?

>>85906129
>>85906176
>tfw episode from 26 years later looks cheaper and more dated
Survival is still kino though.

Top 3 themes go

1st/2nd Doctor
5th Doctor
7th Doctor

>>85916364

10

martha

clara

>>85916431
Oh, I meant the intro theme but ok

>>85916364

Tenth Doctor (Series 4)
Second Doctor
Fifth Doctor

>>85916364
original theme
POWER GAP
McCoy
series 4

guise where can I read the tenth doctor comics

>>85916872
Search "tenth doctor comic read online" on Google.

>>85916364
You just posted it.

Well guys. Adam Orford says he's reported me to the police for saying some mean words on twitter. When la policia come a knockin I'm name dropping /who/
I'll even show them the wiki if I have to

>>85916872
Check the readcomiconline site. Titan organizes their comics into year 1, 2, 3, etc.

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>>85917746
bless

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>>85917716
>yfw the FBI deletes the wiki

Where can I watch The 4th doctor's season online?

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>>85918421

>>85918472
https://archive.is/7eSsd

All of classic who. Go crazy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBHGbBJwyh0
>have you no heart?
>no

why did this get retconned in age of steel?

>>85918604
But it wasn't? In Age of Steel they have nothing biological beyond a nervous system.

>>85918752
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W8b_66YuRg
>steel heart

>>85918781
>you are not upgraded
>yeah, well, upgrade this
truly the pinnacle of dialogue

>>85918781
Why do the cibbers have loose hanging 'flesh' unattached to anything that the doctor can just pull out without ripping it off something? How did it stay at that height rather than falling down internally during the cibber's life if it's not attached to anything?

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>>85918781
I would interpret the Cyberman in TTP saying he has no heart to mean he doesn't have a real human heart rather than that he has nothing that functions as a heart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQs3gVobcfg
>we are human point 2
don't they mean human v2, or human 2.0? Why would such a drastic change be considered an incremental upgrade rather than a new version?

cutest theme coming through

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqAblY4tWJo

>>85918920
what was human point 1? humans with the earpieces?

>>85918995
I was sick of that theme the second time I heard it tbqh desu. Something about the melody is so pedestrian and boring
really weak work by marigold

>>85912899
Autism

>>85906808
>think what the Face of Boe said
Wouldn't Jack have thought that was a bit weird given it was his nickname?

Also did we know The Master was returning/Yana was the Master before this scene?

>>85912587
>the episode where a transgender donna met mel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4keg7cuHb0&feature=youtu.be&t=507

>>85919277
there were hints prior

I have just rewatched 'Hell Bent' I don't really see the point of the Doctor wiping out his memories of Clara? For me it was a bit too coward from him to ditch his problems like that

>>85919672
its just another shitty part of a shitty ep

>>85919354
>it's a "catherine tate says the exact same phrases each time with subtle variation and it's meant to retain its humor" skit

>>85919672
you ever had a best friend anon?

>>85919683
pleb

>>85919701
Okay but like at the end he abandoned his bff?

>>85919724
you hate doctor who

>>85917716
shouldnt have been mean on twitter lmao serves you right

>>85919736
because if he tried much harder to keep her, he'd be destroying the universe
doing the memory wipe thing was enough to allow himself to separate from her - even though he remembered shortly after it was enough to stop him chasing after her since he knew it was for the best

>>85917716
post screencap for proof

>>85919799
and if she were able to "go the long way round" to face rhe raven, could she not just stay with the doctor and they'd be an eternal duo

>>85907957
Derek Jacobi was absolutely brilliant in those 5 minutes he played the Master for. I look forward to having him back on audio, even though he'll probably be wasted like Hurt was due to most of the script being mediocre.
And I also like Last of the Time Lords, despite the obvious flaws.

>>85919875
>Derek Jacobi was absolutely brilliant in those 5 minutes he played the Master for.
no he wasnt fuck off with this shit meme

>>85919898
Show your working.

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While I'm sure everyone agrees that Series 9 was full of gems such as Hell Bent, The Woman Who Lived, and Face the Raven (just to name a few), one episode in particular seems to have received the most negative reception from fans, and that episode is of course Mark Gatiss’ Sleep No More. In my opinion, it is a great episode and here’s why.

First of all, let’s address the most common criticism for the episode. The most dominant one being the fact that it was considered ‘too confusing’ and ‘did not make any sense’. Granted, some episodes might be a bit confusing and hard to follow on your first watch, but does that make it a bad episode? Once it’s been watched a few times, it does make sense because, now you know what’s coming, and you start to piece it all together. I suspect many people who didn’t understand it on initial viewing simply dismissed it as terrible and moved on never to watch again, which I think is extremely unfair.

Sleep No More (like Heaven Sent) is very experimental in which it takes a ‘found-footage’ approach. Personally, I think found footage is a broken genre but with this episode, Mark Gatiss makes it work for Doctor Who and explains everything in the twist ending (I’ll get onto that later). I think it was brave of Gatiss to try this and how he also didn’t simply resort to a normal base under siege template with nothing new going for it.

Sleep No More has a very interesting concept and monster behind it. The very idea of a machine that allows you have to all the sleep you need in under five minutes was a very real idea and seems like something that could be invented one day in the future. The Sandmen being created from sleep dust in your eye was very creepy and just like Moffat, Gatiss took a mundane thing and made it scary. Granted the monster design isn’t the best (excluding their mouths) but apart from that, they were really cool and interesting.

How come I get the feeling that the Thirteenth Doctor is going to have a personality similiar to that of Ten and Eleventh?

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>>85919969
(cont.)

Series 9 was hyped up to be the ‘glory years of the Doctor and Clara’ and to be honest, the only episodes where I found this to be true were Under the Lake, Sleep No More and Face the Raven. Although this episode added little new to the pair’s friendship, it did show them together, just having a bit more ‘fun’ on one of their travels, as promised.

I also found this episode the scariest of the series. The episode has a great variety of jump scares and the very concept of sleep dust consuming your body without you knowing is terrifying. However, the most terrifying scene (and the best one of the episode) is the ending where Rasmussen explains his intentions and the horrifying twist that the whole episode was merely keeping us entertained while a signal was being sent to our brain, turning us into Sandmen. The part where he collapses into dust was so creepy that I slept with the lights on that night. The ending also explains all the 'problems' in the story such as “why is the Doctor looking straight into the camera?” or “why are we seeing this from Clara’s perspective if she doesn’t have a camera?”

To conclude, I think Sleep No More is a great episode and unlike some other episodes last year, tried something new and in my opinion, it paid off. I get very upset when people hate on the episode just because they say it doesn’t make any sense, when in fact it did.

>>85919969
>The most dominant one being the fact that it was considered ‘too confusing’ and ‘did not make any sense’
I get you pasta'd this from reddit but who actually says this about SNM? The biggest complaint is that it's stupid to the point of killing suspension of disbelief, not that it's hard to follow

>>85919898
>waah, every opinion I don't lie is a meme
He absolutely fucking was. His quiet fury at the end of the episode is great.
Simm and Gomez were good, but I like his toned down Master more.

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>>85920016
>The part where he collapses into dust was so creepy that I slept with the lights on that night

>>85919969
>The Sandmen being created from sleep dust in your eye was very creepy and just like Moffat, Gatiss took a mundane thing and made it scary.
This is where I'm going to have to diverge I'm afraid, it's like a shit attempt at imitating Moffat and totally laughable as a concept. Worse because they ask you to try and take it seriously by fucking quoting Shakespeare.

And then the things don't even have a gimmick, they just pop up and kill characters boringly. The sheer unmemorability of the monster encounters is what puts the nail in the episode's coffin.

>>85919976
t b h I hope it'd be more similar to the Second Doctor

>>85920115
It's a she, mate, not an it.

>>85920133
I meant the personality you dolt

>>85920133
what's the correct pronoun to use when referring to the doctor, the single time lord independent of specific incarnation?

>>85920146
Their current gender.

>>85920017
>The biggest complaint is that it's stupid to the point of killing suspension of disbelief, not that it's hard to follow
But that's the point. The ending explains why the plot isn't stupid. People just hate Sleep no More because they refuse to rewatch it after their initial viewing. It's a really really good episode in hindsight if you give it a chance.

>>85920051
Whatever

>>85920077
>totally laughable as a concept
Did you miss the scene where Shearsmith's face disintegrates into sand? How is that laughable, that shit is nightmare fuel.

>And then the things don't even have a gimmick, they just pop up and kill characters boringly.
What? The ending makes the viewer fearful that they themselves are becoming sandmen, that's more than just "popping up and killing people boringly."

>>85920183
I laughed not at the scene but the fact that Shearsmith somehow got a worse DW-related role.

>>85920183
>The ending explains why the plot isn't stupid
it really doesn't

>sleep dust can be genetically modified to absorb light images and audio, and each individual speck of sleep dust has its own frequency that can be individually intercepted to relay the specific images from one angle/perspective to a digital device making it work like a video camera

fucking defend this

who the fuck on the BBC marketing department thought "same old same old" was a good tagline for series 9?

>>85920146
Whatever their current gender is and when you're referring to them generally across all incarnation then you'd use the signular they. This isn't that hard to figure out.

>>85920183
>Did you miss the scene where Shearsmith's face disintegrates into sand? How is that laughable, that shit is nightmare fuel.
That bit's fine. I'm talking about the literal bulk of the episode.
It amazes me that Gatiss' most creative idea for a horror scene was a repeat of the "lock with quirky security requirements" nonsense from 42.

>>85920348
>the singular they
grammatically nonexistent

>>85920351

>"lock with quirky security requirements" nonsense from 42.
What is your problem with that in 42?

>>85920351
>lock with quirky security requirements
I don't remember this being in SNM

>>85920426
SING THE SONG PLEASE

>>85920439
wasn't that just at one part and not an ongoing plot of the episode?

>>85920455
Yes. One, very shit, scene which felt like it was going on for an eternity, instead of one that did anything actually interesting with the monster.

>>85920398
It does now.

Has there been a single iconic monster that originated in capaldi's era?
Just missy and maybe the mummy?

>>85920567
>the mummy
>remotely iconic
wew

>>85920146
I'd say "he," but there isn't really a correct one.

>>85906129
>>85906176
http://doctorwhogeneral.wikia.com/wiki/Video_and_Film

>>85920567
You've got something in your eye.

>>85920567
the boneless?

>>85920567
No-one's going to forget the Veil in a hurry but mainly because of the episode it was in.
There'd be the Listen creature but it's invisible and may not exist.
Maybe the Boneless although they don't really have a specific "look".

Aside from that every memorable monster appearance in Capaldi's era has either been a returning one, or just malfunctioning technology

>>85920585
The correct one is the gender of the current one, with the singular they referring to ALL FOURTEEN

ex.

>"The Tenth Doctor would never would, yet HE actually did."
>"The Thirteenth Doctor was walking in the woods when HER TARDIS key materialized in her hands."
>The Doctor was a time traveler. They'd travel in their TARDIS and traipse throught time

>>85908703
RTD wore out the Daleks by Series 3

>>85920582
I only mention the mummy because I saw that video of it being used to scare kids in the doctor who experience

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>tfw the Fisher King would have been a sick and iconic design if they hadn't fucking hauled it out in broad daylight exposing its low budgetness (and also if the story had actually been good) but no-one will ever care about it or want it to come back

>people actually like Hell Bent
WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED
Is this the power of waifufags and their Clara obsession?

OFFICIAL WORST EPISODES OF DOCTOR WHO EVER LIST
>Time-Flight
>The Twin Dilemma
>Time and the Rani
>Love & Monsters
>Fear Her
>The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe
>Sleep No More

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>>85920955
yes

>>85920965
you forgot
>Last of The Time Lords
>Journey's End
>The End of Time

>>85920758
Singular they is cancer desu.

>>85921038
de fucking lete this

>>85920965
>only 3 selections from Classic Who
Come on son

>>85921060
We know you hate learning and things that are unfamiliar.

>>85919816
https://twitter.com/AdamOrford1/status/893597916815695872

>>85921083
>you made an entire account just to shitpost at Adam
Is it so hard to just leave the poop alone? Why do people feel compelled to touch the poop?

>>85921103
that anon is a bully

>>85921129
https://twitter.com/WhelansHouse

>>85921142
why is /who/ so mean sometimes? i dont get it, its not nice to make fun of other people especially not fellow doctor who fans

>>85921142
Disappointingly unfunny.

>>85921173
DWSR are not human

>>85921232
wtf is dwsr

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P E R F E C T B O N E S T R U C T U R E

>>85921080
>learning
m8 there is no convention in the English language for this situation.

>>85921458
Literally what are you talking about? There have been many situations where someone has had to talk about someone else without knowing what gender they are. "Be they man or woman, the next Doctor will have to have impressed Chris Chibnall at the audition. We hope they have what it takes to steer the show into a new era."

I view people who freak out about this a bit like this videos of cats flipping their shit at seeing a cucumber, even though rationally it poses no threat to them.

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>>85921301
maybe learn the first thing of what you're talking about before defending adam fucking orford

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Scaroth reporting in.

>>85921618
>>85921618
>>85921618
>>85921618

migrate

>>85921562
Sounds pretty mental

>>85921559
>There have been many situations where someone has had to talk about someone else without knowing what gender they are.
That's not what's happening when you talk about the Doctor in general though. His gender is known, he just has more than one. Also, saying "he" is an acceptable though now less common convention for talking about someone of unknown gender.

>I view people who freak out about this a bit like this videos of cats flipping their shit at seeing a cucumber, even though rationally it poses no threat to them.
You kind of seem like you're flipping out though.

Anyone else find Caves of Androzani really overrated?

>>85921738
no

The cliffhanger to part 3 is what makes it the best serial of all time honestly but it's still pretty good

>>85921562
i just thimnk bullying is mean and you shouldnt do it

>>85921738
>implying the part 3 cliffhanger isnt GOAT

Its a pretty good serial overall too

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>>85921795
Bullying is our constitutional right.

>>85910849
It's a fucking offhand joke, the Doctor could say that Hitler lined up jews like bowling pins and ran them down with a motarcycle, i doubt most people would think about it for more thank a few seconds