Dark Tower

>>85899877
Is Roland basically a magical negro?

The book was horrible imho. King cant write for shit.

>>85899911
In that he's literally a negro with magic guns, yeah.

>>85899927
I dunno, I quite enjoyed reading Carrie (and the movie didn't do the book justice but is an outstandingly weird piece in it's own right).

Stephen KANG everybody

File: qGwrdWK.gif (2MB, 400x170px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 400x170px

>>85900082

>>85899877
>People keep saying "Oh the books are so much better" and "This shit is nothing like the books" but is it really? Do they explore any of the concepts involved in the movie?

yes yes and yes

>And if so, how did they fuck up THIS badly with This kind of source material?

brain drain from hollywood to tv

>>85900420
Fuck, I guess I should take a look at them then

Damn, I think nobody was expecting a RT score like that.
I was of course suspicious about it being so short and apparently not starting from the beginning, but I still thought it was gonna be a 60% at least.

>>85900636
I guessed in the 40's myself.

File: KOBoQG.gif (965KB, 640x360px) Image search: [Google]

965KB, 640x360px

>>85899877
>vistas

>>85899877
as someone who didn't read the book did you feel roland is the main character, or just some guy jake met along the way?

honestly the only things that related to the books felt more like small little nods hidden as easter eggs or throw away lines/bad jokes that probably confused people who didn't read the books.

i haven't read all the books but the whole thing about using kids to destroy the tower i don't recall ever happening.

>>85901556
Didn't see the movie but they use telepaths as beam breakers in the books. break the beams you break the tower

>>85901556
Roland is absolutely the main character. Jake fucking dies at the end of the first book. Jake doesn't come back until the end if the second book.

File: sony_totally_not_out_of_touch.png (240KB, 763x745px) Image search: [Google]

240KB, 763x745px

>>85899877
It's Sony.
What do you expect?

>>85899877
This pleases me. I hope they fucking cancel this franchise and reboot it with a tv series with hbo or something like that.

But then again, If this succeeds financially, well fuck, they're gonna keep shitting these movies like the dan brown adaptations, which Akiva "the hack" Goldsman also wrote.

>>85899877
The Gunslinger is way better. The rest of the books are just as disappointing as the movie in exactly the same way.

>>85902064
>Jake fucking dies at the end of the first book.
In fact, Roland kills him.

Just saw it. It was fairly meh, but Idris Elba was fun to watch. Can't wait to reread the series now, it was one of my favorites as a kid.

I ever read the book. Does he do all that retard gun shit in the book?

>>85899877
So this movie must of had a conservative message or should something realistically for the (((critics))) to not like it.

>>85902574
I don't remember the action parts of the books very clearly. In fact, they were often the weakest parts.

File: 7356763.jpg (79KB, 431x750px) Image search: [Google]

79KB, 431x750px

>There will never be a 3-hour movie adaptation of The Talisman made with the same love that was given to the LOTR films.
That book was better than the entirety of the Dark Tower series. And this is coming from someone who liked the series.

>19%
It's like poetry.

they should have NEVER made Dark Tower into a film

Books 1 to 4 are fantastic. Great atmosphere and setting. Roland's level of the Tower is essentially so far in the future that reality is collapsing in on itself, and King really nails the feeling of a dying world. That's not a spoiler btw, Roland runs into nuclear-powered water well pumps and shit in book 1 that are so old, they barely work anymore. I suggest reading books 1 to 4 if you haven't already. 5 is readable, but not in the same class, then 6 and 7 are pretty bad. There are moments of greatness in the last two (Castle Discordia, Eddie's fate), but they don't satisfactorily wrap up the series, in my opinion.

Is Pennywise one of the demons from outside the universe? What about the monsters from The Mist?

>>85902822
it can only work as a TV series, King's just too complicated and dense and boring for Hollywood-tier distillation

>>85902574
He doesn't do acrobatic shots and shit, he's so fast in the books that he ends most fights before they really begin by just pulling leather at the speed of light and blowing the fuckers away.

>>85902846
which one had charlie the choo choo train and shit? that one was my favorite

>>85902856
There is actually a monster heavily hinted to be part of IT's species in the last book, albeit a weaker version.

>>85899877
First four books are god tier. The last three are rushed shit with harry potter, and doctor doom referenced because King had a bout of "muh mortality" and wrote them to quick.

JUST

>>85902923
Book 3.

Blaine is a pain.

>>85901556
I felt like Roland was the main character in a much better movie. As it stood here all he was was a reluctant guide, with Jake being the main character.

>>85900082
WE WUZ ROLAND

>>85902846
>but they don't satisfactorily wrap up the series, in my opinion.

That's probably because King felt the necessity to end the series and rushed it out after he had that car accident. I still like the ending, but I believe the set up to it wasn't good.

>>85899877

the first 4 books are great, after that everything kinda goes to shit.

>>85903087
blaine was my fuckin nigga, I was all about the evil train and Roland finally getting the stick out of his ass over Eddie

>>85903120
>not WE WAS DESCHAINS N SHIEEET
You've forgotten the face of your father.

File: The_Saint_of_Killers_SOK4_Cover.jpg (26KB, 248x401px) Image search: [Google]

26KB, 248x401px

Who wins in a Mexican standoff? Saint of Killers or Magic Negro?

>>85903344
Saint of Killers is indestructible and killed literally every angel in heaven, and then even killed god.

>>85903386
But can a white character beat a black one in a Hollywood movie?

>>85902846
I'm interested now, since post-apoc shit was my jam for a good long while and it'd be nice to get back into it.

Always thought the apocalypse would be a good revival point for Westerns anyhow. New Frontiers and all that.

>>85899877
>People keep saying "Oh the books are so much better" and "This shit is nothing like the books" but is it really?
There are eight books, you can't possibly pack all of that content into a 90 min movie

>>85903499

have you read The Stand? I'd rec. that over the Dark Tower series

>>85903623
>not reading all of King's best works

>>85903623
Also see >>85902725

File: 1484177705243.jpg (277KB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

277KB, 1920x1080px

>>85900636
>not realizing it is the will of Ka and Kek that is has a 19% score

>>85903344
SoK is celestial/divinly powers

Roland just has guns made out of a melted down Excalibur knockoff and some pseudo jedi like mind powers

>>85899877
>but none of it ever gets explored.
That's because it's saved for future movies ya fuck
>>85901556
>i haven't read all the books but the whole thing about using kids to destroy the tower i don't recall ever happening.
I believe it's in Book 6. They are The Breakers, and in the book it's any telepaths, not just children.
>>85903167
>>85902846
>5 is readable, but not in the same class, then 6 and 7 are pretty bad.
Christ am I the only one who liked them all? They were all great and the ending is fitting.

>>85904759
>They were all great and the ending is fitting.
the Coda that King urges us not to read is great and fitting. The rest of the ending is an abomination.

>>85905250
Why?

>>85905332
>Crimson King: FUCKING GUNSLINGER GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>85905389
So?

>>85899927
You're only saying that because you didn't read Harry Potter at 11 or 12

Stop breathing.

>>85905332
spider king man who's played up as the most evil and powerful entity in all of creation is literally just an old man in a crimson cloak throwing explosive snitches

yes snitches as in those tiny flying golden balls from Harry Potter

>>85905662
So?

One dumb thing ruins a whole book?

>>85905727
>one thing

he was literally the final boss, the main orchestrator of everything that's ever happened in most of King's books, the man who makes Randal Flagg/the Man in Black his bitch

he was built up as a half spider demigod spawn who is the son of King Arthur and a literal spider monster queen from another dimension who commands legions of humans, rat people, mutants and untold numbers of lovecraftian and demonic abominations

and his last stand is him literally locking himself out of the Tower on a balcony and just chucking Harry Potter knockoff artifacts at Roland

>>85906098
>he was literally the final boss
Not really. Roland was his own final boss

>>85899877

>8 books of material in 88 minutes

Who could have seen this happening?

>>85905426
You're beyond all hope.

>>85905514
>You're only saying that because you didn't read Harry Potter at 11 or 12
'No!'

>>85905727
There are more dumb things than that in the book by a lot, the Crimson King is just the epitome of all the series' problems. If you can't understand that there's no point exhaustively listing the many, many other bits of appalling writing.

>The Crimson King is exactly what he's built up to be
>In His unimaginable power, He sought to scale the Dark Tower and claim it for His own
>But the Tower is so far beyond even His comprehension that he became trapped on one of the lower floors, tortured by infinite vistas of reality and driven mad
>Unable to raise above or return below, utterly insane, the Crimson King's only recourse is to escape to the peace of oblivion by destroying the Tower itself

Is this a better version, Towerfags?

>>85906344
If you can't explain it, it's probably not true

Nice try though

>>85906098
>and his last stand is him literally locking himself out of the Tower on a balcony and just chucking Harry Potter knockoff artifacts at Roland
What possessed him to bring a crate of those up with him to the Tower anyway?

>>85906236
to be fair the eight books didn't have eight books of material either

>>85899911
>Is Roland basically a magical negro?

That's not even what the trope means, buddy. You should probably Google it.

File: Not Enough Gun.jpg (139KB, 637x1024px) Image search: [Google]

139KB, 637x1024px

>>85903344

This was SoK's response to getting nuked, so I'll give the win to him.

Post spoilers. I read the books. Does Flagg give Roland the Tarot card reading like he does at the end of the gunslinger? Are there lobrstosities in the movie? Are Eddie and Sussana in the movie?

>>85907558
>Does Flagg give Roland the Tarot card reading like he does at the end of the gunslinger?
No. None of that shit is in the movie. The first book is pretty much rewritten.
>Are there lobrstosities in the movie? Are Eddie and Sussana in the movie?
No that's all presumably in the second film.

For fuck's sake his name is Walter, not Flagg, not the Man in Black. FUCKING WALTER

>>85907828
Someone didn't read the book

File: IMG_4116.jpg (57KB, 600x600px) Image search: [Google]

57KB, 600x600px

>>85899877
Affirmative Action: The Movie

>>85907713
Oh I didnt know the movie is mainly based on the Gunslinger. So Roland doesnt reach the Tower at the end of the movie?

>>85907854
Those are all aliases. Walter was his real name.

>>85907915
>So Roland doesnt reach the Tower at the end of the movie?
Correct. This one has bits and pieces of all the books, but functions as The Gunslinger, as the first book-- although Jake doesn't die and it just ends with them going back to Mid World, presumably to find The Tower
>>85907951
Same guy, different names.

>>85908138
>Correct. This one has bits and pieces of all the books, but functions as The Gunslinger, as the first book-- although Jake doesn't die and it just ends with them going back to Mid World, presumably to find The Tower
Sounds like complete trash.

File: 1332443436243.jpg (116KB, 406x364px) Image search: [Google]

116KB, 406x364px

the first book, as it was originally written when King of a drunk in the 70's is pretty cool, part 2 is also ok, then in the 90's he decided it was his magnum opus or someshit and it really went off the rails

>>85908351
Nah I thought it was pretty great, even if it didn't follow the first book.

>>85908416
The first book was by far my favorite one so doubt I'd like this.

>>85903621
Does the movie truly try to do that?

>>85904759
Nah. I liked them all too. There's some shit in the last one I didn't care for. The Crimson King being some lame ass Evil Santa Claus was dumb. But leaving him as just a pair of eyes locked out of the tower forever was some good shit.

>>85908463
Fair enough. It wraps in a lot of mythos from the later books, which isn't in the first book.

>>85908494
No. It's been publicized again and again this is the first of several movies and a TV series.
>>85908499
That was cool too. I will admit, 7 is my least favorite because I did think the Crimson King was an anticlimax and also the son-of-roland spider creature was dumb. But the rest of it I liked, and I liked the ending.

>>85908607
Mordred killing Flagg was the biggest bullshit in the series.

>>85908607
Whew, good. I was going to say, they deserve shit ratings if they tried.

I predicted they wouldn't take the risks needed to produce a movie true to the book. Just like how they won't with the new IT movies.

>>85908643
I mean seriously, an atom bomb at the end of The Stand didn't kill Flagg, but some spider could just eat him?

Come the fuck on Stephen

>>85908691
>Whew, good. I was going to say, they deserve shit ratings if they tried.
As I said, they do cram a bunch of exposition from the later books into it, because if they didn't, it wouldn't make much sense of why Roland is after Walter, what the Dark Tower is and why Walter is trying to bring it down. They spent more time building that world, rather than following The Gunslinger to a T. They pretty much had no choice though, they needed an action-packed first movie that explains the premise in order to set it up for more films. In all honesty the first book doesn't do that. I really don't blame them, I really enjoyed it, and I was a hardcore fan of the novels.

Also the Low Men are in this, and they're cool as fuck

>>85908865
Man, say what you want about the movie, but they did a great job with the Low Men. Sayre's casting was great too.

>>85909138
Yeah that was great! I feel they didn't do as much as they could with him though, and it's unclear if Roland killed him or not. I hope he's in future films.

>>85909138
>>85909213
There's taheen in it? Does he have a phaser?

>>85909925
Unfortunately no. But they've got the weird ill fitting human masks and skin and all that.

Big fan of the books. Tend to agree with most that the first 3 are great. The 4th is still pretty good, although I like the graphic novel stories of Roland's childhood more.

Books 5-7 have some good stuff but the whole King writing himself into the story kinda soured me on the story.

Saw the movie today. Mixed emotions. Clearly it's own thing using Dark Tower mythology. But Mcconaughay felt flat, only really seemed menacing in the kitchen scene cooking chicken. Elba was good, telling the sluts on bus they've forgotten the face of their fathers was funny and calling people savages for eating hot "dogs" drew a chuckle.

Thought the kid was decent enough. The scene with him and Roland finding what Walter did to his mom was the one scene that showed them having a bond.

Props to whoever included the scene with Roland watching tv and seeing a commercial with talking Racoons and asking if animals still talk in our world as an Oy Easter egg.

>>85899877
They took a series of books that are 2000+ pages total in length and tried to fit them into a single movie. What the fuck did you expect? The people in charge must be legitimately retarded to think this would work as a movie instead of a series.

>>85902725
Would love to see talisman explored t b h

That book was a trip

No one asked for this movie. So Im thinking it was made too soon.

>>85908397
Wizard and Glass is the best one though

4>1>3>2>7>5>6

>>85911591
Except it's an adaptation of the first book and had additional movies/TV shows planned.

I mean it's still bad, but it's not meant to eight fucking books in one movie.

>>85906098
you forget the part where he gets erased out of existence by an autist with a magical pencil and paper

File: 1501751148884.png (4KB, 205x246px) Image search: [Google]

4KB, 205x246px

>>85899911

>>85902913
which is a much cooler archetypal gunslinger than the goofy shit they have idris doing in the movie

>>85902669
kys

>>85899927
The books are amazing you pleb.

>>85911591
>2000+ pages
More like 4000+

>>85900576
The first one is a very short book and by then you should totally get it and want to read the rest. The other books are massive though.

>>85902725
The Talisman is a bit off a mess though, two different writers, it's like an experiment.

File: IMG-20151023-WA0010.jpg (130KB, 768x1024px) Image search: [Google]

130KB, 768x1024px

>>85913116
>reading King
>calling pleb to anyone

>>85913205
Who do you read then? Some pretentious indoctrination shit or something?

>>85913241
king is fun, like watch a transformers movie in an afternoon of a boring saturday.

It's a guilty pleasure, you can't call anyone pleb.

Every time i try to read a King book, it feels like the first 5 to 10 pages are fucking awesome and then it just goes downhill, up, downill and then it becomes so-so.

I am interested in the Dark Tower series, but don't know shit about it

>>85913427
>The book was horrible imho. King cant write for shit.

It's not a book btw plebinoid it's 7 books, so I see you read them so quickly you forgot that fact.

Yeah, that quote is definitely from someone who'd I'd classify as a pleb.
Pleb being a very mild version of what I could of called them.
SK is in no way comparable to a Transformers movie. I don't care if someone likes Transformers movies it's up to them, I'm not a snob,
>using a go-to imdb tier insult
Why you chose to bring that up in a conversation about The Dark Tower only you know.

>>85913525
The first book is fantastic. After that the series is as you describe.

>>85899877
Some parts of the series were awful desu, but the ending is kino shit

>>85899877
>but is it really?
doesn't matter as the movie is a sequel to the books

>>85906606
the hell does that even mean

>>85902822
this the books are just too weird i don't think you could ever make a good adaption. Having said that I'd love a full 3 hour movie of the drawing of the three.

Can anyone explain why they chose to make Roland, of all fictional characters in the world, black? I started the books recently, just finished the second, and his whiteness is literally a plot point. I was able to picture Elba in my head as I read for a while, overlooking vague references to his complexion, but when he was described by other characters as the "spitting image of a spaghetti western cowboy" and a "honkey white boy", I just couldn't keep the image up.

>>85915103
>>85914029

>>85915103
As a fallback for when the movie's shit, say it's because he's black.

>>85915295
So...he became black? Got that same thing Uncle Ruckus got?

>>85915103
because King is a lib cuck and did it solely to trigger Trump fans

>>85915359
different cycle.

>>85915445
Ah, I see where that's going. Alrighty then.

File: happy mike.png (193KB, 235x354px) Image search: [Google]

193KB, 235x354px

>>85900883
As soon as I read the word I thought of this.

>>85902165
>That girl looking straight at the camera
Come on. If you're gonna dab at least commit to it.

>>85915103
casting director and head writer are prolly sjw fags who didnt even bother to read the source material
When people complained his color is literally a plot point they "uuhhuuhh it a sequel" to do damage control
It didnt work

>>85908865
>they do cram a bunch of exposition from the later books into it, because if they didn't, it wouldn't make much sense of why Roland is after Walter
Should have started with Wizard and Glass if they were that concerned with establishing Roland's motivations and history.

>>85915642
>roland has the horn with him
>lel obviously not a sequel
ok.

>>85899877
>Sony
>the other production company has veto rights
>King has veto rights
This movie never had a chance

>>85915873
Which is exactly what they did in comic books series and it turned up great.

>>85915959
Roland doesn't have the horn in the movie. Even if he would, the horn wouldn't change his skin color. As well as all the other shit.

I think the fantastical elements were used appropriately considering the amount of plot the movie had to cover. I haven't read the books but I assume they're condensing basically thousands of pages together into a film structure.

I really liked the movie's lack of bullshit. We don't need the backstory of the rat people serving Walter. We don't need "quiet moments" where Roland says something obvious like "I loved my father." This was an adventure movie with the right idea, in my opinion, and it made me interested in reading the books.

>>85917963
it's literally hanging off his back the entire movie you dumb cunt

>>85918124
how did the horn change roland's skin colour?

>>85899877
is the black 13 in it? is any of the balls?

>>85899877
Why did you pay to see it? you knew it was going to be shit.

They don't care if you liked it, you have paid them for it now.

>>85918283
All of them. Flagg has them in his weird lair.

>>85918443
Flagg has the 13? And he doesn't just wipe out existence? That's fucking stupid

So what does Katheryn Winnick do in this?

So Stephen king had the right to veto things he didnt like during production but he was fine with a black actor for his white main character he had written about for 9 novels worth thinking he is white?
How?

File: 7q7KbKZN.jpg (21KB, 512x512px) Image search: [Google]

21KB, 512x512px

Ausfag here with a 2 week wait until the release here.
Any agents of the White have a torrent/dl?

>>85918601
literally nothing except die

>>85905727

The Gunslinger was started when King was 19 and came out in the 80s. Drawing of the Three came out in the 1980s. Waste Lands was early 90s, Wizard and Glass 1997. So all of the good shit was done before Harry Potter came out. At no fucking point in all of this was Harry Fucking Potter part of the plan until King lost his fucking mind. It's glaring that without the outside influence of the van accident and fucking potter we would have had something different.

>>85918961
Ooh nice, how does she die?

>>85918855
King is a weirdo leftist. He's also a pedophile

>>85918978
Flagg burns her to death.

>>85902682
the shooting scene where Eddie is naked was fucking great

>>85919227
so was the dixie pig

>>85914509
They shoulda brought more gun.

Duh.

>>85900033

His guns were never explicitly magic in the books. They were powerful, but not really magical. Was hinted they were melted down Excalibur, but they never really do anything beyond shooting.

>>85902574

I haven't seen the movie, but whenever he shoots, it's just super fucking fast. He doesn't do any Wanted-style bullshit or anything. Always makes me think of Deadeye from Red Dead Redemption if it was at full speed.

>>85918199
u b racis

File: magical negro trope.jpg (349KB, 939x1834px) Image search: [Google]

349KB, 939x1834px

>>85906506

>>85922471
there's no winning with these people, is there?

>>85922471
Red was Irish in the book, it wasn't SK idea to make him freeman and he's not in anyway 'magical' this is stupid on multiple levels

>>85899877
>About the books.

Steven King is a pop author. I liked him as a kid, but now im older he's obviously not that good.

That being said, as far as fantasy novels go i think he is one of the best. You can trust that their better because they are UNADAPTABLE. You're talking about 7 LONG and weird ass books.

It would be tricky to really ground a book about a woman fucked by a demon then possessed by one who escapes to an alternate reality while the protagonist is stuck trying to follow her by defending an old west town against robot wolf thi ngs along with a junkie a kid and an old priest with a magic crystal ball.

>>85922630
There is. See: Get Out, for example. It just needs to be made by a black person (mostly still Jews, probably, but you need a token black to show off in media) and be about how whitey be keeping the black man down.

>>85899877
The books are awful. Typical Stephen King but worse and even less well written.

Bother with neither the movie or the books.

>>85908643
Jesus Christ this. The only passable thing in the new film is that The Man in Black and Roland do face off.

>>85922630
No if Roland was white this nig nog would have complained about that. I wish we could kill people with depression

>>85899911
No, anon. Negros are actually the opposite of magical. The literal opposite

>>85922877
This fellow right here knows what's up. Tip of the Stetson to you, good sir.

File: aHR0cDovL3d3dy5uZXdzYXJhbWEuY29tL2ltYWdlcy9pLzAwMC8xNjIvMTkyL2kwMi9qb25haC1oZXgtMS1jb3Zlci1mcmFuay1xdWl0ZWx5LmpwZw==[1].jpg (81KB, 575x360px) Image search: [Google]

81KB, 575x360px

i wonder when will they realize slightly magic western will never make money or be successful

File: IMG_2094.png (81KB, 378x357px) Image search: [Google]

81KB, 378x357px

>>85923356
Wrong.

Star Wars has made billions.

You just can't use a bad SJW writer, an affirmative action race swap, a mediocre filmmaker, and hypocritical Jewish politics to build a franchise around. It just won't work.

>>85923447
>You just can't use a bad SJW writer, an affirmative action race swap, a mediocre filmmaker, and hypocritical Jewish politics to build a franchise around. It just won't work.

wrong.
Star Wars has made billions

>>85923500
All that stuff CAME LATER.

The franchise wasn't built on it. All franchises eventually fall in that direction (even the franchise known as the United States) right before collapsing.

But you can't build on a shit base.

File: johnny-depp-armie-hammer-lone-ranger-image[1].jpg (73KB, 1024x719px) Image search: [Google]

73KB, 1024x719px

>>85923561
It is the most successful period on Star Wars history, they will only crash if the disney bubble pops.Otherwise they will make a fortune with yearly movies.

People hate westerns like this

>>85923561
this, people just want a good time when they go see a film.

>>85923653
They are using a brand built much earlier that has incredible spiritual value for generations of people. They are basically just retelling the same stories all over again.

They are just living off of George's trust fund of concepts.

All you fags bitching about the Crimson King seem to miss he point. He's built up as this unimaginable thing and then turns out to be a crazy old guy who killed himself because of some guns because it's a metaphor. The banality of evil, if you will.

Also where the fuck can I find a stream cam?

>>85904759
I liked them all too, but the original versions of book 1 to 3 were the best. Most versions availble now are the revised editions.

>>85905250
It was hinted at since the second book. Ka is a wheel and all that.

>>85903249
>You've forgotten the face of your father.
Movie Roland sure did.

>>85923842
>They are using a brand built much earlier that has incredible spiritual value for generations of people

the amount of people who watched The first movie is way under than the amount of people who watched TFA, you know that, right?

>>85911806
Did you read the sequel?

>>85922893
Flagg dies all the time. No big. He came back at the end of The Stand, didn't he? Probally came back in an alternate dimension to the main Stand book though.

>>85924967
never read the revised gunslinger, they change a lot?

anyone else notice the weird amount of defense for the movie not coming from movie review sites? It's because idris elba is black isn't it?

>>85925495
Different guy here. The revised book 1 makes more sense in relation to the rest of the series. In the original, Roland is heading east I believe, but the revised book has him going south east, along the beam. There are also significant changes to the end part, where Roland and Walter talk about size. It's been years and years since I've read it, but Walter mentions Maerlyn or Merlin or something as basically the big bad, and then another entity who's just as bad. I think one of these are changed to the Crimson King in the revised book. The discussion is quite a bit different - I prefer the outright trippiness of the original book, but the revised edition does make more sense pertaining to the rest of the series.

>>85925495
Yeah. Jake is more important in the revised edition. Ally's (the bartender) death is different.
There's a ton of foreshadowing added to the narrative about the other books.

The writing is cleaned up too much, it lost the original raw feel that the book had. There's a lot of stuff cut out (kill your darlings and all that), but it took away from the dreamlike quality, world building and immersiveness of the original.

File: 1489058091444.jpg (40KB, 640x628px) Image search: [Google]

40KB, 640x628px

>>85899877

>Probably the best work Stephen King has done

>Instead of doing it justice with quality acting they use it as an opportunity to push diversity

What a waste

>>85925630
>>85925688

thanks senpai, It's been a few years since i read it but i enjoyed the trippy aspect of it, about Mearlyn living backwards through time, and after that the beast , which worked fine as a different name for the crimson king

I think i'm gonna give the revised editions a pass

>>85925690
I like the DT series, but King's short story compilations are where he really shines.

>>85925759
although i guess mearlyn ended up just being walter anyway

>>85925759
Merlin ages backwards in TH White's The Once and Future King, Steve probably stole the idea from that

>>85925789
Yeah, maerlyn is Walter is Randal is the Man in black is the walkin dude

I wonder just how many names he really had on all the different levels of the tower

>>85925789
the revised edition also states that farson, marten and walter o' dim were one and the same; though if I remember correctly other novels instead reference them as different people (though it could just be Walter changing his visage I guess)

File: IMG_2099.jpg (191KB, 1242x1574px) Image search: [Google]

191KB, 1242x1574px

>>85925116
Hi Goldenstein!

Nice try. But you're wrong on so many levels that it's almost not worth responding. But, I'll do so anyway.

One, you're wrong. The original Star Wars film has been around since 1977 and has likely been seen by more people, more times, than ANY film in history.

Two, adjusted for inflation, A New Hope has a 50% higher box office take than The Affirmative Action Awakens. This is the proper metric. Pic related.

Third, America's population in 1977 was 220 million. It's 330 million today. On both a per capita (and overall) basis A New Hope was seen by a FAR higher swath of the population.

A New Hope is inarguably the most watched film in all of Human history.

>have the movie follow book 1 closely
>post-apoc Western
>open with Roland arriving in Tull
>que exposition about Walter
>cut to flashback of young Roland in Gilead, training, action for normies
>back to Tull/present day
>townsfolk talk about the threat of the low men, Roland overhears/refuses to help
>gears up to move on from town
>another flashback, show young gunslinger Roland interacting with Walter more, doing some gunslinging
>back to Tull, the low men attack
>Roland fights his way out as the townspeople are slaughtered
>continues his journey
>finds Jake at the waystation
>clearly a kid from our world
>they both continue into the mountains
>show the cart ride through the tunnel
>Roland kills Jake to reach Walter
>when Roland exits the tunnel, he stumbles onto the beach and sees a door
>opens it
>we only see his reaction, which is horror/wonder
>cut to black
>sound of Roland dropping Jake plays over black screen
>final scene in the movie is Jake's voice saying "go then. there are other worlds than these"
>cut to Jake waking up with a start in bed
>credits

It cuts out a lot of the expositional stuff and other material that normies probably wouldn't like (fat evangelist chick pregnant with a demon, Roland annihilating an entire town, including women and children), makes the man in black that much more mysterious, plus there's no huge action set pieces so it keeps the budget down.

>>85926060
Yeah I remember that being muddled, but later on in the series just kinda shrugging it off thinking its because Walter is a lying fuck

>>85926092
Roland blasting the possesed town is great though

What are the novels which are connected to the dark tower directly? I know The Stand is, apparently

>>85905727
It wasn't a small thing, it was a huge thing. Very disappointing.

>>85926092
I wonder if they will tie the Man in Black to his other appearances in The Stand or Eyes of the Dragon.

>>85926167
It's honestly an amazing character intro, but I don't know if normies would go for it.

>>85926092
>turn franchise over to Peter Jackson
>give him budget for six films and leave him alone
>cast Matthew McConaughey as Roland
>cast Paul Bethany as Randall Flagg

>>85926172
The Stand (Roland and his ka-tet actually travel through that world a little bit, they see dead bodies and newspapers talking about Captain Trips), Salem's Lot (Father Callahan becomes a main character in book 5), Insomnia (one of the main characters in that book appears in book 7), IT (to a very small degree - a weaker Pennywise-style creature appears in book 7). Can't think of the others off the top of my head, but there's quite a few.

>>85926172

a lot of them.

http://stephenking.com/darktower/connections/

>>85913427
>king is fun, like watch a transformers movie in an afternoon of a boring saturday.
Never read King confirmed.

>>85926172
>>85926365
Oh yeah, Eyes of the Dragon. It takes place in Mid-World, and Flagg is the bad guy in that as well, and two of the main characters are mentioned in DT book 1.

Fucking underrated fantasy book.

>>85926355
>Paul Bethany as Flagg
You magnificent bastard.

>>85926355
Flagg (in The Stand) can pass for a white guy or a black guy. I know that he's pale in Eyes of the Dragon, but I felt that the Flagg of TDT was Stand Flagg much more than EOTD Flagg.

>>85926365
Haven is a Mid-World-less Dark Tower series. All the King connections, none of the cowboys.

>>85912225
Yep. This is actually the best rating

>>85913202
Talisman is amazing

>>85899877
>I just got back from this and I'm kinda mad
why would you watch this abortion, are you fucking stupid?

>>85926676
My gf is challenged, not stupid.

>>85899877
>but is it really?
Read a synopsis of the gunslinger. The movie is nothing like the book in plot, tone, setting and characterization. They hamfistedly added all of the "worldbuilding" shit King's ghostwriters put into the 5,6,7th books to create a setting for the TV Show.

>>85902165
This isn't real, right?

>>85902725
imajica > talisman >>>>>>>>> dark tower

>>85899877
STOP GIVING THEM MONEY FOR THIS SHIT

>>85926576
Haven?

>>85926172
Literally all of them. The dark tower 5-7 and the revised gunslinger are meta wank narratives.

>>85926779
I have a soft spot for Lovecraft's Dreamland stories.

>>85926823
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haven_(TV_series)

>>85926031
Walter's not Merlin, he just identity thefted him a few times. Merlin actually shows up in the Wind Through the Keyhole.
>>85926060
Farson's not Marten. He's a separate dude. The problem with the original is that King can't make up his mind if Farson is a person or a town.

>>85902165
nice try, fake news.

also, Sony makes kino such as Baby Driver.

>>85927310
In the revised edition of the first book they clearly state that farson and marten were one and the same, and that walter o' dim was both. I'm pretty sure it was the final word from King on that issue, though I agree it's really confusing in the books overall

>>85927310
Different guy here. I'm gonna have to read the books again, because I remember Water, Merlin, Martin and John Farson all being different people. I fucking loved the idea of John Farson though, an unseen rebel who causes the fall of Roland's world. The Jericho Hill flashbacks were book kino.

>>85927444
The original version, yes it was different.

In the revised version King made it all the same person

>>85926172
Hearts in Atlantis
Insomnia
Salem's Lot

>>85927483
Damn, that's lame. Martin being John Farson is kind of a cool idea, but having Walter be both of them, as well as Merlin sorta cheapens it, imho. Makes the world/universe seem smaller. This might be a stupid question, but Walter was Flagg, right? I haven't read the books in literally over a decade, but I remember that part being kind of convoluted too.

>>85927613
>but Walter was Flagg, right?
Yes. He's the same character traveling multiverses, bringing them down in different ways. He brought down Mid World as John Farson, and brought down The Stand's world as Randal Flagg. Walter then appears actually as Randal Flagg at the end of The Wastelands to rescue The Tick Tock Man, as he is depicted as having the jean jacket with buttons, and says that The Tick Tock Man reminded him of someone he knew, which is implied to be The Trash Can Man.

iirc Roland's ka-tet meet the Flagg-form of Walter at the end of Wizard and Glass.

>>85927613
Yeah, he's Flagg. You find out in the Waste Lands when he reenacts the Trashcan Man scene with Quick.

>>85899877
King is a juvenile writer. His shit is good for page turning housewives but pretty silly for critical readers.

The guy cranks out like 5 books a year it's just a conveyer belt of shit.

>>85927773
>>85927806
Oh yeah, now I remember. He makes the Tick Tock Man say "My life for you", and says it was something an old friend used to tell him. I guess having Walter be Flagg/Martin/Farson/Merlin makes sense in that regard, but I still kinda liked the original book, where Farson was just a rebel sick of Gilead's shit.

>>85927889
I agree that modern King isn't exactly top tier stuff, but he has some undeniably fantastic work. The Stand and IT in particular, plus his short stories are fucking great.

>>85919227
The shooting scene of the wolves at the end of Calla was fucking awful. Literally hundreds of pages of build up and it was over in a page

>>85927995
There's a large quality drop between books 4 and 5. I believe 5 was written after he was smoked by that van. Feels like a different story after book 4.

>>85918965
>At no fucking point in all of this was Harry Fucking Potter part of the plan
What about the Wizard of Oz?

>>85928190
Well, Wizard of Oz is a bit different. It's a massively influential piece of fiction from the 30s. Harry Potter is too modern and feels much more out of place in the story.

>>85928244
Why?

>>85927929
He is a separate person. Farson and Flagg talk to each other in the comics.

>>85926934

I'm mildly impressed that they used a boring-ass Stephen King short story as the basis for a series that lasted like five seasons.

I watched most/all the episodes solely because Emily Rose is a cutie.

>>85903249
How does one forget the face of something a nigg doesn't know?

>>85927961
He can still do good shit nowadays, he just doesn't. Duma Key was some excellent shit, but Lisey's Story, Mr. Mercedes, etc. were all fucking garbage.

>>85928376
It doesn't have like 80 years of history to make it feel as prolific as something like Wizard of Oz. Yes, I realize HP is worth billions, but Susannah/Jake/Eddie are from the 60s/70s/80s. All three of them know what the Wizard of Oz is, so it would make sense for them to talk about it, and have it be referenced/mentioned/appear in the books. None of them were alive when Harry Potter came out, so when they run into the "sneetches", and it says "Harry Potter model blah blah blah", it comes across as Stephen King nudging and winking at you, the reader, going eh? How about that reference, eh? Eh?

>>85922851
Thats not what Get Out was about

>>85928467
Well damn, now I really do need to read the books again. I've been thinking of picking up the comics, since I do like the the story, but I don't really give a shit about comics. I know they started with Wizard and Glass, but where are they now in the comics?

>>85902725
Is that the one with Peter straub?

>>85928560
>it comes across as Stephen King nudging and winking at you, the reader, going eh? How about that reference, eh? Eh?
So? That's fine. That's the point, the boundaries of fictional reality are breaking down and the most characters shouldn't be aware of this. It's more probable that the Dark Tower characters are unaware of the source material of other fictional realities.

>>85928616
I thought the comics were great

>>85928531
King should plot a lot more. He may not like doing it, but his plotted books are a lot better.

He should leave his seat-of-the-pants attitude for his short stories and novellettes.

>>85928757
Dead Zone is great. So is Rose Madder, but I think I'm one of the only people who likes it.

>>85928467
The comics and the novels are separate things, again in the revised gunslinger it is stated multiple times that marten and farson are both walter. Not saying I agree with it or like it, but that's just how it is

>>85928661
It felt cheap to me, I don't know how else to put it. Books 5, 6 and 7 just don't feel like they're anywhere near the same quality as 1-4. Plus, Jake transitioning from innocent kid in book 4 to gunslinger Jr in book 5 kinda threw me as well. I know that's the point, but it still felt a little abrupt.

>>85928869
>It felt cheap to me
Let's be real--30 years from now Harry Potter will have the same cultural standing as Wizard of Oz does. If anything, Stephen King predicted that.

>>85922767
Irish people are basically negroes though. So the character hasn't veered too far off course.

File: typical irish.jpg (495KB, 827x1241px) Image search: [Google]

495KB, 827x1241px

>>85929711
>pic related

>>85928616
Comics are somewhere around the second book. The writing's pretty good, except Jake's written strangely in the Gunslinger adaptation.

>>85924669
>All you fags bitching about the Crimson King seem to miss he point. He's built up as this unimaginable thing and then turns out to be a crazy old guy who killed himself because of some guns because it's a metaphor. The banality of evil, if you will.
It's a forced metaphor as a result of King being a hack writer. Terribly executed.

Unless it being a horribly done retconning metaphor for the sake of a trite clichéd message is itself some kind of meta-message.

>>85925688
>. Ally's (the bartender) death is different.
What was her original death? I liked the whole note Walter left her and then her making Roland kill her because the knowledge was too much.

>>85927995

Well Roland himself admits that it would be a short battle, weeks of planning and politics all so five minutes of fighting MIGHT go their way and all that.

The battle at the Breakers station was pretty bad though, except for the ending.

>>85902538
It's not the first book, though. The movie takes place AFTER the last book.

>>85926532
>Flagg (in The Stand) can pass for a white guy or a black guy.
That's because of magic. He joined the Black Panthers with some bullshit story about how he's 1/32nd slave or something and no one wanted to question it because of his magic hate power.

>>85927444
I liked that John Farson destroyed the world with the best of intentions (freedom, democracy) while Roland is saving it with ambiguous intentions at best (I just wanna see the tower before it's all over) while doing terrible things.

A shame King fucked this all up in later books.

>>85899927
gunslinger is one of his better books. paced well, decent show-don't-tell philosophy regarding the setting, and reasonably complex characters without the shitload of bloated exposition like he tends to do in longer works. of course that would require you to read.

>>85930377
>It's not the first book, though. The movie takes place AFTER the last book.
Which makes it an adaptation of the first book.

>>85930624
>gunslinger is one of his better books. paced well, decent show-don't-tell philosophy regarding the setting, and reasonably complex characters without the shitload of bloated exposition like he tends to do in longer works. of course that would require you to read.

>that fucking foreward where he apologizes for how bad the Gunslinger is and says show-don't-tell is terrible writing advice
Christ what happened to him?

>>85930744
Not sure, same idea with the bullshit "you totally shouldn't read this ending, guys, it won't improve the story" fucking thing in book 7, before the ending that actually wasn't too bad.

>>85930744
cocaine, pills, and alcohol in the 80s. then getting hit by a van didn't help anything

>>85899877
>paying money to watch a bad movie
you must be fresh off the boat from west africa because anyone living here for 20 years should know better than to watch movies like this

>>85931248
This is what the government should use instead of the current anti-drug PSAs.

>>85903008
So much this. You can tell just by the books exactly when king got hit by a car and almost died.

>>85902941
Hasn't King tied most of his book into more or less coherently together into sone sort of Kingverse?